I don't see the need to mix franchise and non-franchise on the first round.
We're trying to get less confusing - not more.  What we do not need is some
major change in the draft methodology 2 days before the draft.

The system that Kevin initially described is the fairest, least confusing
and works fine.  The franchise keepers (including me) should pick after
those that do not keep anyone.    It best simulates the outcome of a
non-franchise snake draft.  Assuming the franchise keepers retain picks 1
through 5 of  a true first round, they would naturally pick last in a
second round.  This system worked fine last year.

Dutch and Jeff have brought up ranking the franchise players instead of a
2nd random drawing for franchise keepers.  I would vote for that (even
though I would pick last in the 1st round - 28th pick!).  There are
questions with players that might have been injured part of the year or
otherwise, but at least you know exactly where you stand.

I believe in using the snake draft and a 2nd drawing for franchise keepers,
but I would be fine with ranking the franchise players based on prior year.

Jeff Smith is just whining because he kept (potentially) the 10th overall
player in Manning and would now potentially has Manning and the 28th pick.
This is a large sacrifice, but this is Jeff's fault not the system.  Look
at the other 4 franchise players - they are all in the top 5 in most draft
rankings.  Only Smith is complaining.

DeLuke






To:       Smith, Jeff\" <Jeff_Smith/@AFCC.com>@ENRON"
          <IMCEANOTES-+22Smith+2C+20Jeff+22+20+3CJeff+5FSmith+40AFCC+2Ecom+3E+40ENRON@ENRON.com>,

          "Kiske, Chris" <Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com>, Kevin <klyn@pdq.net>,
          Ty Servello <Ty.Servello@OAG.STATE.TX.US>, Michael
          DeLuke/US/GEN/CVC@CVC-US, Michael Currie <mcurrie@tcta.org>, Jody
          Spottswood <Jerry.Spottswood@COMPAQ.com>, Jeff Ullrich
          <jeffu192@cs.com>, Grant Johnson <johnsogc@bp.com>, Dan
          Wienserski <DG_SKI@email.msn.com>, "Chris Kiske (Home)"
          <ckiske@austin.rr.com>, BJ Naman <b_sting91@excite.com>, Andy
          Reynolds <Andy_Reynolds@panda-law.com>
cc:
From:     "Quigley, Dutch" <Dutch.Quigley@ENRON.com>
Date:     09/06/2001 11:33:23 AM EST
Subject:  RE: Franchise Players and the Draft


suggested draft order:

scenario
5 franchise teams and 7 non-franchise
franchise teams ranked 1 - 5 based on total points of franchise player
from previous year

First the supplemental draft

Round one
# 5 franchise team, # 7 supplemental , # 4 franchise , # 6 supplemental
and so forth and so on

with a non snake system going from there

ok everyone chew on that and spit back

Dutch


>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff_Smith@AFCC.com>@ENRON
> [mailto:IMCEANOTES-+22Smith+2C+20Jeff+22+20+3CJeff+5FSmith+40AFCC+2Eco
> m+3E+40ENRON@ENRON.com]
> Sent:   Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:44 AM
> To:     'Kiske, Chris'; 'Kevin'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael
> Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Quigley, Dutch;
> Dan Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds
> Subject:     RE: Franchise Players and the Draft
>
> The snake thing is good and bad.   But I think the first round should
> be
> randomly selected for ALL teams because the current way gives those
> not
> keeping a franchise player a double benefit by picking in the
> supplemental
> and then also at the top of the first round.   Theoretically the non
> keeper
> teams are getting the 8-14 best players who are arguably also
> franchise
> players.  In effect by not keeping a player you are randomly selecting
> a
> lower level franchise player.  So they shouldn't get the an automatic
> shot
> at 15-22 or whatever it might be as well.  So snake or no snake all of
> round
> one should be random order.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kiske, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:59 PM
> > To:   'Kevin'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody
> Spottswood;
> > Jeff Ullrich; Smith, Jeff; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> Wienserski;
> > Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Kiske, Chris
> > Subject:   RE: Franchise Players and the Draft
> >
> > As the creator of the algebraic mean sequenced draft order that was
> built
> > to eliminate the inherent advantage that the #1 & #14 teams had by
> getting
> > back to back picks every other round, I think the time for
> mathematical
> > preciseness has passed.  I'm all for going to a simplified
> traditional
> > snake system.  Frankly, at this point I think there are as many
> > disadvantages to being 1 or 14 (or 2 - 13) as advantages that it all
> works
> > itself out.  Hell, if it makes preparing for the draft any easier
> (or
> > administering the league), I'm for it!
> >
> > PS - I'm for keeping TE's too!
> >
> > (Somewhere, Rick is rolling over in his grave)
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Kevin [mailto:klyn@pdq.net]
> >  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:53 PM
> >  To: Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood;
> Jeff
> > Ullrich; Jeff Smith (E-mail); Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> > Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Chris Kiske
> > (Work)
> >  Subject: Franchise Players and the Draft
> >
> >
> >  The following is the list of franchise players that have been
> kept:
> >
> >  Grant Johnson - Eddie George
> >  Jeff Smith - Peyton Manning
> >  Michael Deluke - Marshall Faulk
> >  Michael Currie - Edgerrian James
> >  Jeff Ullrich - Kurt Warner
> >
> >  I know this was brought up last year and we kind of decided much
> of
> > nothing...but does anyone object to going to a snake system for the
> draft.
> > 1-14, 14-1 for the whole draft?  We will still have a supplemental
> round
> > for those that do not keep franchise players.  Then the
> non-franchise
> > teams will pick in opposite order of the supplemental round for
> round
> > one...thus if you pick first in the supplemental round, you will
> pick last
> > (for those that did not keep franchise players) in the first round.
> Then,
> > the teams that kept franchise players will be randomly selected to
> pick at
> > the end of the first round.  After the first round, the draft will
> snake
> > back the other way with the last pick in the first round getting the
> first
> > pick in the second round and the draft will continue in this snake
> order
> > until the end of the draft.  Let me know what you think or if you
> are
> > confused.
> >
> >  See everyone at the draft!!!
> >
> >  Kevin
> >
> >


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