12 or 14 teams , 5 or 6 franchise players some one will always be complaining of unfair drafts
this is just a suggestion to chew on 
I still agree with the vote and in keeping with the rules of the league

dq

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	"Kevin" <klyn@pdq.net>@ENRON [mailto:IMCEANOTES-+22Kevin+22+20+3Cklyn+40pdq+2Enet+3E+40ENRON@ENRON.com] 
Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:09 PM
To:	Smith, Jeff; 'Kiske, Chris'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Quigley, Dutch; Dan Wienserski; Chris Kiske \(Home\); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds
Subject:	Re: Franchise Players and the Draft

There are 14 teams.
Even with Dutch's version, you will still have someone that kept the 5th
franchise player getting the 15th pick, while someone that did not keep a
franchise player, but had the first pick in the supplemental round getting
the 6th pick and the 28th pick.  I don't think that is fair.  We have always
voted on rules changes for the next year at the current years draft.  I
don't think we should make an exception now to the rule.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff_Smith@AFCC.com>
To: "'Kevin'" <klyn@pdq.net>; "'Kiske, Chris'" <Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com>;
"Ty Servello" <Ty.Servello@OAG.STATE.TX.US>; "Mike Deluke"
<michael.deluke@us.pwcglobal.com>; "Michael Currie" <mcurrie@tcta.org>;
"Jody Spottswood" <Jerry.Spottswood@COMPAQ.com>; "Jeff Ullrich"
<jeffu192@cs.com>; "Grant Johnson" <johnsogc@bp.com>; "Dutch Quigley"
<Dutch.Quigley@enron.com>; "Dan Wienserski" <DG_SKI@email.msn.com>; "Chris
Kiske (Home)" <ckiske@austin.rr.com>; "BJ Naman" <b_sting91@excite.com>;
"Andy Reynolds" <Andy_Reynolds@panda-law.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft


> Dutch's suggestion would alleviate all of Kevin's points below.  Whether
we
> snake after that is another issue - the top three rounds are more
important
> than the back to back pick issue.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin [SMTP:klyn@pdq.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:09 AM
> > To: Smith, Jeff; 'Kiske, Chris'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael
> > Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> > Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds
> > Subject: Re: Franchise Players and the Draft
> >
> > Actually the draft order was determined by a vote and is not subject to
> > change...this year anyway.  The idea behind it was to not let someone
keep
> > a
> > franchise player (generally one of the top 5 players overall) and then
> > receive possibly the fifteenth pick overall in the draft...thus getting
a
> > top 5 player and the number one pick in the next round, while someone
that
> > does not keep a franchise player in theory could get the last pick of
the
> > supplemental round and the last pick of the first round (number 14
player
> > and the 28th player)...too much of a penalty to one team.  Of course
this
> > is
> > all subject to vote and can be changed for next year.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff_Smith@AFCC.com>
> > To: "'Kiske, Chris'" <Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com>; "'Kevin'"
<klyn@pdq.net>;
> > "Ty Servello" <Ty.Servello@OAG.STATE.TX.US>; "Mike Deluke"
> > <michael.deluke@us.pwcglobal.com>; "Michael Currie" <mcurrie@tcta.org>;
> > "Jody Spottswood" <Jerry.Spottswood@COMPAQ.com>; "Jeff Ullrich"
> > <jeffu192@cs.com>; "Grant Johnson" <johnsogc@bp.com>; "Dutch Quigley"
> > <Dutch.Quigley@enron.com>; "Dan Wienserski" <DG_SKI@email.msn.com>;
"Chris
> > Kiske (Home)" <ckiske@austin.rr.com>; "BJ Naman" <b_sting91@excite.com>;
> > "Andy Reynolds" <Andy_Reynolds@panda-law.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:43 AM
> > Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft
> >
> >
> > > The snake thing is good and bad.   But I think the first round should
be
> > > randomly selected for ALL teams because the current way gives those
not
> > > keeping a franchise player a double benefit by picking in the
> > supplemental
> > > and then also at the top of the first round.   Theoretically the non
> > keeper
> > > teams are getting the 8-14 best players who are arguably also
franchise
> > > players.  In effect by not keeping a player you are randomly selecting
a
> > > lower level franchise player.  So they shouldn't get the an automatic
> > shot
> > > at 15-22 or whatever it might be as well.  So snake or no snake all of
> > round
> > > one should be random order.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kiske, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:59 PM
> > > > To: 'Kevin'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody
> > Spottswood;
> > > > Jeff Ullrich; Smith, Jeff; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> > Wienserski;
> > > > Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Kiske, Chris
> > > > Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft
> > > >
> > > > As the creator of the algebraic mean sequenced draft order that was
> > built
> > > > to eliminate the inherent advantage that the #1 & #14 teams had by
> > getting
> > > > back to back picks every other round, I think the time for
> > mathematical
> > > > preciseness has passed.  I'm all for going to a simplified
traditional
> > > > snake system.  Frankly, at this point I think there are as many
> > > > disadvantages to being 1 or 14 (or 2 - 13) as advantages that it all
> > works
> > > > itself out.  Hell, if it makes preparing for the draft any easier
(or
> > > > administering the league), I'm for it!
> > > >
> > > > PS - I'm for keeping TE's too!
> > > >
> > > > (Somewhere, Rick is rolling over in his grave)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kevin [mailto:klyn@pdq.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:53 PM
> > > > To: Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff
> > > > Ullrich; Jeff Smith (E-mail); Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> > > > Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Chris Kiske
> > > > (Work)
> > > > Subject: Franchise Players and the Draft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The following is the list of franchise players that have been kept:
> > > >
> > > > Grant Johnson - Eddie George
> > > > Jeff Smith - Peyton Manning
> > > > Michael Deluke - Marshall Faulk
> > > > Michael Currie - Edgerrian James
> > > > Jeff Ullrich - Kurt Warner
> > > >
> > > > I know this was brought up last year and we kind of decided much of
> > > > nothing...but does anyone object to going to a snake system for the
> > draft.
> > > > 1-14, 14-1 for the whole draft?  We will still have a supplemental
> > round
> > > > for those that do not keep franchise players.  Then the
non-franchise
> > > > teams will pick in opposite order of the supplemental round for
round
> > > > one...thus if you pick first in the supplemental round, you will
pick
> > last
> > > > (for those that did not keep franchise players) in the first round.
> > Then,
> > > > the teams that kept franchise players will be randomly selected to
> > pick
> > at
> > > > the end of the first round.  After the first round, the draft will
> > snake
> > > > back the other way with the last pick in the first round getting the
> > first
> > > > pick in the second round and the draft will continue in this snake
> > order
> > > > until the end of the draft.  Let me know what you think or if you
are
> > > > confused.
> > > >
> > > > See everyone at the draft!!!
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >