Vince,
                I quite agree, we have to separate out price and position, 
and that is what we have done with the historical simulations/EVT ideas.  We 
have taken today's delta-gamma, hold that frozen, and gone back historically 
and looked at price changes and see what happens to portfolio changes.    
Garman and company have looked at gross historical portfolio changes, which I 
agree is not the best approach, due to the artificiality imposed by largest 
Net Open Positions (NOP), such as we have seen recently.
         
Regards
Naveen






Vince J Kaminski@ECT
11/13/2000 10:31 AM
To: Tanya Tamarchenko/HOU/ECT@ECT
cc: Naveen Andrews/Corp/Enron@ENRON, Vince J Kaminski/HOU/ECT@ECT, Vladimir 
Gorny/HOU/ECT@ECT 

Subject: Re: looking for "Fat Tails" in time-series for NGI-SOCAL  

Tanya, Naveen,

Just a thought. Changes in the portfolio values may combine both the changes 
of prices and positions.
This happens if one tracks changes in the value of our historical gas 
portfolio. A big jump in
the volumetric position from day to day, combined with a moderate price 
movement may produce an
observation that looks artificially big.

If the volumetric position was frozen, it's just a scaling factor and there 
should be 
no discrepancy between your numbers. Of course, the correct approach
is to separate the price process from the position changes. 

Vince





Tanya Tamarchenko
11/13/2000 08:38 AM
To: Naveen Andrews/Corp/Enron@ENRON
cc: Vince J Kaminski/HOU/ECT@ECT, Vladimir Gorny/HOU/ECT@ECT 
Subject: Re: looking for "Fat Tails" in time-series for NGI-SOCAL  

Naveen,
I am trying to answer the question: what is the appropriate stochastic 
process to model the behavior
of commodities' prices in our VAR model. So what  I do care about is the 
behavior of log-returns. 
Any help is appreciated.

Tanya.
 



Naveen Andrews@ENRON
11/10/2000 04:35 PM
To: Tanya Tamarchenko/HOU/ECT@ECT
cc: Vince J Kaminski/HOU/ECT@ECT, Vladimir Gorny/HOU/ECT@ECT 
Subject: Re: looking for "Fat Tails" in time-series for NGI-SOCAL  

Tanya,
               We care about PORTFOLIO VALUE CHANGES, not log-returns of a 
single contract, which has extremes in the behavior and can be fit to a 
fat-tailed distribution.   A 1.20 basis move, with 500 BCF position, is an 
extreme event, anyway you slice it.In the literature, as elsewhere, I agree 
for a single contract log-returns, they don't divide by vols.  

Regards
Naveen



Tanya Tamarchenko@ECT
11/10/2000 04:17 PM
To: Naveen Andrews/Corp/Enron@ENRON
cc: Vince J Kaminski/HOU/ECT@ECT, Vladimir Gorny/HOU/ECT@ECT 

Subject: Re: looking for "Fat Tails" in time-series for NGI-SOCAL  

Naveen,

I got NGI-SOCAL prices for prompt, prompt+1,...,prompt+59 contracts.
For each contract I calculated moving average based on 21 log-returns as
well as moving volatility. Then I calculated normalized log-returns:

[ return(t)-ave(t) ] / vol(t)

and compared the results to normal distribution. 

I COULD NOT FIND Fat Tails! 

Volatility changes a lot from day to day, so when people look at
log-returns (not normalized) it seems that there fat tails (big spikes, large 
returns more frequent than normal), 
which comes from the fact that volatility is not constant (at all).

See the spreadsheet is under O:\_Dropbox\Tanya

Tanya