I am surprised that the tax people would be ok with the suggested EOL fix.  My understanding was that if the assignment to ENA from ECTRIC happens automatically, that is equivalent -- for tax purposes -- to the UK trader binding ENA and results in bad tax consequences.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Sayre, Frank  
Sent:	Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:09 PM
To:	Taylor, Mark E (Legal)
Subject:	FW: Trades as ENA
Importance:	High

Mark, oh master of EOL - Please see the attached documents forwarded to us from London.  My assumption is that the trades by the hedge funds on EOL will have to be with ECTRIC because of the way EOL is set up.  Is this assumption correct or is there any way to trade UK gas, UK electricity, Brent and metals on EOL directly through ENA?  Thanks, as always, for your input.  Frank

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Musch, Susan  
Sent:	Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:48 AM
To:	Sayre, Frank
Subject:	FW: Trades as ENA
Importance:	High

Frank,

FYI, I just received this e-mail from Janine.  Have you already sorted out the structure with Robyn?  I would like to send an e-mail to Robyn, copying you and Janine with the summary of our discussions from yesterday.

What do you think about the proposed EnronOnline arrangement?

Best regards,
Susan


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Juggins, Janine  
Sent:	Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:42 AM
To:	McKinney, Lara
Cc:	Musch, Susan
Subject:	FW: Trades as ENA


Lara,

a summary of what we just discussed 

Hedge Funds wishing to trade with Enron both OTC and online for products not offered by ENA.

1. OTC transactions will be arranged by originators in the New York office and booked in the name of ENA, and then a transaction will be entered into between ENA and the relevant Enron affiliate (eg ECTRIC) to transfer the economic position to the relevant Enron affiliate.

2. Online transactions - see Justin's mail below. The suggestion would be that the Hedge Fund does the trade on EOL with the relevant Enron affiliate (eg ECTRIC). The trade then gets novated from Enron affiliate to ENA. A transaction is then entered into between ENA and Enron affiliate to transfer the economic position. We'll need to work at documentation and process to make this as smooth as possible.

REgards
Janine
 -----Original Message-----
From: 	White, Bill  
Sent:	28 September 2001 13:22
To:	Boyd, Justin; Dyk, Russell; Shackleton, Sara; Shankman, Jeffrey A.
Cc:	Abramo, Caroline; Zivic, Robyn; Diamond, Daniel; Radous, Paul; Lebrocq, Wendi; Sharma, Shifali; Juggins, Janine; Nelson, Roderick
Subject:	RE: Trades as ENA

Justin,

Your solution appears to respond specifically to EOL related legal/credit issues.  However, isn't this only the tip of the iceberg?  What about non-EOL OTC trades conducted by ECTRIC traders with counterparties that want ENA as their counterparty.  From my time in London, it was always impressed upon me that there was a quagmire of additional tax and potential regulatory (SFA) issues.

Please comment.

Also, as a commercially efficient course of action, It has always seemed to me that we should attempt to "train" our couterparties to accept that ECTRIC is also a Enron Corp guaranteed sub (at least it was in the past, at their request) and somehow initially set up our contracts/ISDA to be inclusive of this vehicle.  Is this possible?  Otherwise, the permutations of various legal/credit/tax/regulatory hurdles for all manner of OTC trades becomes onerous.

Bill--

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Boyd, Justin  
Sent:	28 September 2001 05:43
To:	Dyk, Russell; Shackleton, Sara; White, Bill; Shankman, Jeffrey A.
Cc:	Abramo, Caroline; Zivic, Robyn; Diamond, Daniel; Radous, Paul; Lebrocq, Wendi; Sharma, Shifali; Juggins, Janine; Nelson, Roderick
Subject:	RE: Trades as ENA

Russell

My view would be to follow the novation route, i.e. 

1.	C/P trades via EOL with ECTRIC
2.	Each trade is novated from ECTRIC to ENA, and treated as concluded under ENA ISDA Master
3.	ENA enters into back-to-back trade with ECTRIC

This does mean that the C/P must initially accept the European EOL GTCs, though if we set up a mechanism whereby EOL trades are automatically novated to ENA and treated as concluded under the ENA ISDA Master, this effectively cancels out the EOL GTCs.

Justin

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Dyk, Russell  
Sent:	27 September 2001 23:38
To:	Shackleton, Sara; Boyd, Justin; White, Bill; Shankman, Jeffrey A.
Cc:	Abramo, Caroline; Zivic, Robyn; Diamond, Daniel; Radous, Paul; Lebrocq, Wendi; Sharma, Shifali
Subject:	FW: Trades as ENA

Everyone -

Our hedge fund group needs clarification on the issue of doing Brent and other European product deals w/ our hedge fund counterparties and booking them back to ENA, the entity with which all the funds have ISDAs. We just did two WTI/Brent crude oil spreads today, one w/ very large volume, and expect to be doing more such deals. 

This is more than just a legal issue; it's going to impact credit and our strategy to get the funds trading on EOL as well.

As we understand it, the main legal issue is that all the funds have an ISDA only w/ ENA and not w/ ECTRIC, so they (and I assume we) want all deals and legal exposure to be w/ ENA. To satisfy both parties' desires, all European product deals must be booked from ECTRIC to ENA. Sara, from speaking to you and from Justin's response below, it seems to me that the only legal hurdle we, the funds, and our traders might face is if no trader w/ ENA in Houston okays w/ the counterparty on ENA's behalf. However, there seem to be 2 other solutions (a netting agreement and novating) that get around this. As Sara knows, dealing on legal agreements w/ the funds can be onerous and time-consuming; negotiating more paperwork is not a viable option.

From the credit side, as we understand it, the issue w/ not back-to-backing the trades w/ ENA is that the credit exposure will not be aggregated to the funds' net position in Houston and, therefore, not monitored. In other words, any exposure not sitting w/ ENA will be invisible to credit. so daily margining, etc. will  be incorrect. 

From the EnronOnline side, as we see it there are a couple of issues. EOL wants the funds to trade online; an increasing number of funds also want to trade online. However, they do not want to be restricted to trading products that are only US based. Also, they would like to see more arb spread products like a WTI/Brent crude oil spread online. If neither desire can be easily met b/c we need a separate ISDA w/ ECTRIC (which potentially means, as above, more onerous and time-consuming negotiation), then it will certainly be detrimental for volume and also foresake a certain momentum that we are gaining now. 

The point has been raised that the funds could trade European products if credit in London cleared them and if they were willing then to accept the general terms and conditions that pop up on EOL. We can assure you that they will not accept this.

These are the issues as we see them from the origination side. There may be other issues that we're missing from the sides that I've mentioned as well as the trading/back office side. 
Regards,
Russ
 




 -----Original Message-----
From: 	White, Bill  
Sent:	Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:32 PM
To:	Dyk, Russell
Subject:	FW: Trades as ENA



 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Sharma, Shifali  
Sent:	26 July 2001 08:21
To:	White, Bill
Subject:	FW: Trades as ENA

This is what we have heard from Legal and Tax so far.  We're trying to get a list of couterparties that currently will not trade with ECTRIC and only with ENA.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Boyd, Justin  
Sent:	Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:10 AM
To:	Juggins, Janine; Beyhum, Maya
Cc:	Sharma, Shifali; Klar, Guenther; Sexton, Camille; Watt, Julie; Marsh, Jonathan
Subject:	RE: Trades as ENA


i agree - assuming you follow janine's approach, then no adverse UK regulatory issues will ensue

justin
 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Juggins, Janine  
Sent:	25 July 2001 19:29
To:	Beyhum, Maya; Boyd, Justin
Cc:	Sharma, Shifali; Klar, Guenther; Sexton, Camille; Watt, Julie
Subject:	RE: Trades as ENA

I assume that these are financial transactions. The current approach is the right one in the circumstances - i.e trade between ECTRIC and ENA, trade between ENA and third party (eg Bank of America). It is important that the trader agreeing to the deal with the third party in the name of ENA is located in Houston (they cannot agree deals in the name of ENA when located in London).  The pricing should be such that ENA is compensated for taking the credit risk with respect to the third party but otherwise all the economics should be with ECTRIC. 

To avoid booking the back to back trades, a possibility would be an agreement on netting to be entered into by ECTRIC, ENA and Bank of America if all parties can get comfortable with the legal position.

Another alternative sometimes put forward is that ECTRIC does the deal with Bank of America, the contract is then novated from ECTRIC to ENA, and ENA enters into a back to back swap on the same financial terms with ECTRIC.

Note that we are currently working on a project to enter into financials through EFET LLC (arranged by EEFT) instead of ECTRIC (effective 1 November).

Regards
Janine

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Beyhum, Maya  
Sent:	25 July 2001 14:13
To:	Juggins, Janine; Boyd, Justin
Cc:	Sharma, Shifali
Subject:	Trades as ENA

Hi

I am currently working in the London Risk group for Global Markets.

At the moment we have a number of counterparties who do not want to transact with ECTRIC but would like to do deals only with ENA (e.g. Bank of America). As a result, if a London trader wants to carry out a trade with Bank of America, he will do an internal trade with a trader in Houston and then book a trade between the Houston trader (who trades under ENA) and Bank Of America. The trades are then confirmed from the Houston office.

We were wondering about a couple of things:

Are there any tax/legal implications we should be aware of as a result of booking the trades as we do
Is there a way to approach these counterparties to get them to trade with ECTRIC (as this currently creates a lot of paperwork and administration)?

Thanks for your help
Maya