Tory Bezazian describes a day at Scientology's FLAG land base, and then explains what it's like to do OT7. ================================================================ From: "Magoo" Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Today you Arrive at FLag Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:12:00 -0400 Lines: 133 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.80.11.14 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.80.11.14 Message-ID: <3b6c804e@news2.lightlink.com> X-Trace: 4 Aug 2001 19:07:58 -0400, 12.80.11.14 X-Original-Trace: 4 Aug 2001 19:07:58 -0400, 12.80.11.14 Organization: Lightlink Internet Path: news2.lightlink.com Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1354100 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 6100 In answering a joke about how many Scientologist would it take to change a light bulb, I realized just how many people are involved in one day in Scientology. So here is a typical arrival at Flag: Day one 1. Your plane arrives at the Airport, and a Flag van is there to pick you up. 2. You are taken to Flag, and your luggage is set at the door. 3. You are routed or sent to the reception, where she gives you a "routing form" to go on, to basically get everything in order for your stay. This includes meeting many Staff, paying, getting a room, etc. 4. You begin on your Routing form. 5. You are sent to the Registrar, who meets you, finds out why you are there, and gets your money for whatever services you might need. (Now if you are really tired, sometimes they will let you skip this until the next day, but only if they are sure you CAN pay). This usually consists of paying out let's see...for OT 7's it was $8,000 per Intensive **which is 12 and a half hours**. Depending on what was needed, you might need 2-4 Intensives. Now if you are on what is called a "Six month Check" where you MUST go to Flag EVERY six months, you have to pay for Security Checking (where they see if you have any bad deeds you have done in the last 6 months, or if you have talked to any SP's, gone on the Internet now I am sure is part ofit, talked to me, or other devious people, etc. I heard they also have now if you have missed any events!) There're really desperate when this is on it. So it can add up....depending on what you need to do. You on OT 7 are also required to always have an additional Intensive paid for. This may be true for any OT level now. This can take hours to hassle over and somehow dig up the money, or for the rich, it is usually faster, although most people hate going to the reg. (In the "old days" somewhere along here you *might* meet ol Reed Slatkin, who would inform you how IF you invested anywhere from $50,000 on up, he could tripple it....but we all have read where THAT One went. If you missed it, see www.slatkinfraud.com I think. If I have the address wrong, will someone correct it please as it is an interesting and informative sight.) That is not part of the routing form however, so let's move on...... 6. You are sent to the Accomodations Councelor...another guy to take your money to pay for room, and board. This was in the 80's about $1000/week at the Sandcastle, or $500 IF YOU SHARED A ROOM....just for the room itself. Then you had to pay for food, which was about $50-100/day and up. 7. Your next person to see is the IAS reg, who first will make sure you are an IAS member. ..which is mandatory. Let's say you are a lifetime member **$2,000** There next job is to get you to pay up to move to the next level, which I believe was $4,000. If they cannot get you to move up, they start in on just a general donation, depending on how much money you make. They will tell you a song and dance about the latest "Emergency" or disaster they are trying to fix, and how ONLY you can help them. This is a heavy guilt trip that is run on people, although I noticed they lightened up SOME the last few times I went, when they realized I was honestly and truly broke. I would just say, "I am not a qualified customer, and I don't want to waste your time". They over the years have calmed down quite a bit, as people had grown to hate them and their "briefings" and they were SO heavy handed. In the "old days" they would get you and just grind you to death until you paid up. Many did, many then refused to even go see them...so they were forced to "lighten up". 8. Then I think you are sent to the HGC to let them know you are there. They will take your name, get the technical side going, and you often have to now wait anywhere from 2-4 days until you actually get in session. And note: You are paying for this highly expensive room, while you wait. While I was on 7, they were actually researching "THE GOLDEN AGE Of Crap" although they didn't tell us we were just guinny pigs, but that is in fact what we were. Soooo, they then would send us to "Testing" where we had to take these GIANT, LONG, HORRIBLE tests all about OT 7. If you missed anything, even if you had all the steps of something, but had one out of order, you were then sent to "Cramming". Here they give you a long "Cram" where again you have to pay daily to BE in Cramming....studying these materials you have already paid for, and then years later DM announces "Ooops! The OT 7's were really only using 3 out of the 79 tools needed! and had to go back and re-do the entire course, pay for the course, and re-do the entire level.....starting at $25,000 for the course we had fully paid for years earlier, AND had paid for this cramming daily, every single 6 months. Is it starting to sink in WHY I might have been JUST A LITTLE PISSED OFF????? Soooo now, after your rigorous testing, you are sent to your room, to begin the giant waiting period....... So there is one day at Flag. Ready? Get your wallets out..... Remember, It's "The Friendliest Place in the World". Yeah...right. The friendliest part they cancelled, by the way, in 1989. I was there when Ray Mittoff and the Snr C/S arrived. They literally tore the OT 7/s map off the wall (showing where in the world all of them were), tore LOTS Of things that were fun off of any door or wall, cancelled all the fun shows the staff used to put on at dinner, and noted, "we have a new image. We are catoring to the professionals. Get a grip...the fun is over". Don't believe me? Go stand outside of any org here at the Complex or at Flag and just stand there. See what happens and come tell us. :) Tory/Magoo~dancing in the moonlight! In for 30 years Out for 12 months SP 5 ^with CC (and voted Queen By OSA) Free at last!!! For more info, please see www.xenu.net (scroll to Personal's Tory's Story) www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm or www.lisatrust.net or www.torymagoo.com :) Knowlege is something you should NEVER allow someone to take from you. IF they do, they only want to control you. Use this as your judge. ================================================================ From: "Magoo" Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology References: <3b6c804e@news2.lightlink.com> <20010804222158.19624.00002345@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 04:19:40 -0400 Lines: 201 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.80.9.34 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.80.9.34 Message-ID: <3b6d00a9@news2.lightlink.com> X-Trace: 5 Aug 2001 04:15:37 -0400, 12.80.9.34 X-Original-Trace: 5 Aug 2001 04:15:37 -0400, 12.80.9.34 Organization: Lightlink Internet Path: news2.lightlink.com Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1354234 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 9136 Ok...OT 7. Well, first let's just say you have already done the course (which now is at least 3 months long) and have returned home to audit. The very first thing is you have to make sure you are "sessionable". This means you have slept enough, and you are well fed. Once this has occurred, you must secure your room that you will audit in. All doors and windows have to be completely locked, before you even take out your very securely locked up top secret materials. Mine I kept locked in a safe in my closet. You also must put a sign on your door, saying "IN SESSION , DO NOT DISTURB". If ANY of the above are out, it is an INSTANT Assignment of the condition of Treason. Ok, so you are locked in, all windows and doors fully locked, and you are sessionable. You sit at your table, where your e-meter is. You open up your briefcase, and get out any paper you might use to keep track of your session, You begin every session with, "This is the session". If your needle is not floating and you do not have VGI"S (very good indicators) ....you have to do what is called "Fly a rud" or get your attention off of any present problems or upsets. This was a problem for me, as I had TONS of huge problems I was trying to audit over. I wrote this up constantly, asked for help re the areas, etc. With Zero help. Once that is done, now you are ready to begin OT 7. OK...you are sitting in your very quiet room. You start "looking around" in your space...to see or locate some BT's Or a Cluster. The meter reads....or the needle falls to the right. You check "BT"? "Cluster?" :Lets' say it reads on BT. Ok.... Next you ask, "what are you?" You get "a tree" or "your old dog" or "a Martian". Whatever. It has to read or make the needle fall to the right. If the BT doesn't just take off You then Indicate to it, 'I'd like to indicate you are a tree". If it doesn't then wake up and blow....you then ask, "Who are you?" Remember you are in actuality creating these, and then deciding you are getting rid of them, so it is a serious exercise in delusion....which of course is never told to you. And again,,,,you keep asking until it leaves. If it doesn't leave,,,there are more questions to ask. If it gets screwed up, there is a correction list to fix things. This all can be from 10 minutes to an hour. I would say for me the average session was about 15-20 minutes. It is supposed to end with you realizing something and getting rid of some BT's and Clusters. I never did. It was just one GIGANTIC Long pain in the ass level....combined with Years of smiling and saying, "it's a great level, you should try it". I refused to EVER give a "win" re OT 7 as Barry Klein had told us over and over that you could heal people on OT 7. So when I finally got onto OT 7, did part A, B and then C and then found out there was Zero tech about that,,,,I was pissed. "Where's the Barry Klien rundown??" They'd send me to Qual, who would show me the one page for OT 7 with NOTHING about healing people. It really ((((REALLY)))) pissed me off, year after year. So I promised I would not give anyone else this same false impression about what this stupid level was. One would think I would just quit....but you see, Hubbard was smart in this area. He built it in so IF someone wasn't winning,,,there was something wrong with THEM. Since you cannot really talk to anyone about it, you are stuck with just thinking "if i just do more of this....or do it better....then I'll get done". Because you are on OT 7 you are expected to set this certain image. People are always asking you "How do you like OT 7? Is it really great?" Since I hated it....this was a constant hassle for me, and as I have said, I was a near chronic liar by the end....which is why Andreas' e-mail to me meant SO much! Probably THE biggest hassle is that you are expected (and this is a BIG deal, so you cannot just blow it off and not do it) to audit EVERY SINGLE DAY>>>>>and for the 7 years I was on, they wanted us to audit 5 hours a day. 5 hours is an enormous amount of time to audit anything....but almost impossible with OT 7. Also, in order to do this, you have to be sessionable....so there goes your life. At a party? Honey..we have to leave, as "I have to be sessionable". Want to have a drink? "No thanks...I am auditing on OT 7 and I have to be sessisonalbe tomorrow." Now I know some who worked out a way to drink...but it was a hassle. See, you cannot audit for 24 hours after drinking. SO technically one Could drink, and then audit the next night. But most people are not sessionable at night. I'm not a big drinker anyways, so that wasn't a big deal for me. But Having to be sessionable (have enough sleep) every single day 365 days a year, for 7 years.....is one long drag....especially for this night owl. There was also a HUGE guilt trip that went along with Scientology. IF for any reason anything isn't going "perfectly"....well, you must have scewed up, didn't you? You must be PTS, or downtone. If your hours weren't high enough (which almost nobodys were on OT 7) you were considered "downstat" and were in a continual guilt trip about not doing enough. YOU were the reason the planet is so screwed up! Think I am kidding? When the Berlin Wall came down...what do you think Scientology attributed it to?> FACT: "It was because OT 8 came out. The OT 8's got it to come down." Add to this equasion that most OT 7's early on felt like they were done. Most who have left who I have spoken to felt after 6 months that they were done. While there, We, after one to two years, started saying, "I think I'm done" and NEVER being allowed to complete. No one will tell you what the EP or end phenomena is. It used to be "cause over life" but they realized NO ONE was really that, so now they just won't tell you. So then you begin what I call the "realization game".....trying to come up with whatever the F IS *THE* realization you need to have, to get off of this F'ing level. Like I said, it's a GIGANTIC F'ing hassle.....from start to finish. Can you imagine going through ALL of this...day after day, year after year...>Finally finishing...and then to be ordered to re-do the entire thing???? That's where the all OT 8's are...and I promise you, most are not happy campers. Neither are the Ot 7's....many stopped and they've yet to get them "back on board". And guess where I am??? Out completely, as you know. And proud of it, and so happy I got out, I cannot tell you in words how delighted I am. Every day I wake up and thank God I got out. I am free. Forever. They will NEVER, ever trap me back into that. Was it all horrible? No...not all of it. OT 7, yes. But the people were nice...many of them. Sure they have their downfalls, but overall, many are really nice people. But get the idea of being on this top level and EVERYONE you talk to thinks it is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and you HATE IT. You are not allowed to EVER talk about it.....ever. Of course it isn't presented that way....no one would buy that. So instead, they create this image of importance and tell you IF you are invited onto the level, it is one of the most important and vital levels ever. All the security I just realized right now is designed to make it seem so very important. Bullshit. It's a bunch of crap, bundled up in such fancy wrappings and importance that you think there must be something wrong with YOU that you don't love it. Since getting out, I have met up with numerous other OT 7's....and every one had the same feeling: It must be them! I am sure I am leaving out things, so to the average reader it just seems like we are these sick people to fall for such nonsense. This may or may not be true, depending on each person. I will tell you honestly, if you had gotten on the train when we did.....there is almost NO WAY you would not have ridden straight through as we did. It's an amazing ride....all the way to the point where you realize you have never actually even left the station! So that's a bit of a day in the life of this OT 7. I am sure others have better stories, and remember the "tech" better. Please feel free to add to this, or correct it in any way. OSA not invited. Hope that helps. :) My best, Tory/Magoo~dancing in the moonlight!~ "JimDBB" wrote in message news:20010804222158.19624.00002345@ng-ca1.aol.com... > >Subject: Today you Arrive at FLag > >From: "Magoo" magoo44@worldnet.att.net > >Date: 8/4/01 6:12 PM Central > > > > >In answering a joke about how many Scientologist would it take to change a > >light bulb, I realized just how many people are involved in one day in > >Scientology. So here is a typical arrival at Flag: > > Thanks for this great post, Tory. I"ve just printed it out and it will be > mailed to an appropriate person. > > I wonder if you would elaborate on actually doing OT 7. If a person is on OT 7 > for A year or more what would he/she be doing everyday...attempting to > contact, telepatically, invisible alien spirits (Body Thetans or BTs). Can a > person do this day after day and stay sane? Can you please elaborate? > > JImdbb > > ================================================================ From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 05 Aug 2001 16:28:57 GMT References: <3b6d00a9@news2.lightlink.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag Message-ID: <20010805122857.05128.00002720@ng-fw1.aol.com> Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1354346 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 274 >Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag >From: "Magoo" magoo44@worldnet.att.net >Ok...OT 7. Thanks, Tory. Question...how do you know when the BT has supposedly left? e meter read or what? How do you stay sane all this time contacting imaginary alien spirits? JImdbb ================================================================ From dst Mon Aug 6 04:36 EDT 2001 From: "Magoo" Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology References: <3b6d00a9@news2.lightlink.com> <20010805122857.05128.00002720@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:57:07 -0400 Lines: 103 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.80.7.32 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.80.7.32 Message-ID: <3b6d8805@news2.lightlink.com> X-Trace: 5 Aug 2001 13:53:09 -0400, 12.80.7.32 X-Original-Trace: 5 Aug 2001 13:53:09 -0400, 12.80.7.32 Organization: Lightlink Internet Path: news2.lightlink.com Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1354381 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4364 "JimDBB" wrote in message news:20010805122857.05128.00002720@ng-fw1.aol.com... > >Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag > >From: "Magoo" magoo44@worldnet.att.net > > >Ok...OT 7. > > Thanks, Tory. > > Question...how do you know when the BT has supposedly left? e meter read or > what? Well, on OT 3 I felt this tremendous relief...because I BELIEVED something DID occur. Not sure what....but I believed I was better for it. By OT 7 I pretty much knew it was some form of BS (even if there really are these spirits...how am I going to honestly contact and get rid of every single one? It seemed to be and endless cycle as I felt IF I contacted and helped free them, they would want to go tell more people (*spirits if you will) to come see me or my other OT 7 friends, as we would help them, too. This isn't part of OT 7...but it is SOOO wide open, one can and does tend to imagine all kinds of things. And since you are saying for YEARS you are done, you think you've gotten rid of all of YOURS, but are just getting back from your c/s "OK continue" you can only start to believe more must be coming around. And IF that is so.....now you get the picture of impossible?) It seemed like a never-ending process and I hope they send on my entire in put to the C/S's so they realize the *real* things occurring. What I am telling you I (nor anyone else really) can ever say while In Scientology. So the C/S's Just hear how great the level is, or how someone might be having some difficulty....but they never really get what a TOTAL mind fuck it is. Of course they will not. IF they did, few would stay. As is, many have left for this reason. By OT 7 I felt nothing when anything left. So it was just day after day, week after week, year after year of feeling like I was screwing up...there was something wrong with ME (see how these bots ALWAYS say that kind of thing?) On and on and on.... always thinking IF I just did more, I'd get it. (And don't think I didn't tell anyone. Hell, I had written this up to RTC in Gigantic letters saying "THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS FUCKING LEVEL!!!!! HELLLLLLPPPPP") Always to just get back, "OK Continue"...until DM announced infront of thousands of people publicly that we OT 7's were only using 3 out of the 79 tools. What a jag off! I still say let's get a class action suit going~! Slowly,,,,,just as Truman did in the Truman show, I started to notice things. Two of my very best friends on OT 7 sort of "flipped out" and refused to do any more....all three of us secretly leaving ...knowing we were DONE, whether these F'ers would acknowledge it or not. We had begged to be completed for years. Finally we hit a critical DAY>>>>>and we left, and have NEVER returned. They *Hate* what this level was all about. Also, me. I had gained 100 pounds on OT 7. I finally had to realize I was killing myself, and again HAD to take my life back. I quit OT 7, and lost 60 pounds. I'm still working on the rest, which if you have noticed, the OSA bots love to make fun of (even though they are almost all gigantically fatter than me. They are as I was before I left). My life was a wreck. If I was soooo OT....and my friends were....why were most of us broke, and screwed up? > > How do you stay sane all this time contacting imaginary alien spirits? Good question. Many do not...as we have just experienced with Greg B. killing himself. I think I will make this post in honor of Greg. Telling you all the things he could not. I hope it helps fill in some and acknowledge and thank each and every one of you for doing what you are doing. It is, as I have said, a "mind fuck" beyond "mind Fucks". Having you all here is tremendously valuable....for as you can see, it ain't easy to step out of the trap. So now perhaps you can see why I put "dancin in the light" after my name each time. There is more to that story too, but truly to be DONE with all of this crap is a joy words cannot explain. They can make fun of me until the cows come home....I DON"T CARE! There is NOTHING they can do to me that is worse than what they did in the last 30 years to me...ever. Trust me on this one...:) I am free.....thank God and thank every man and woman who stands up to say, "not on our watch you aren't going to get away with this". Love to all, Tory/Magoo~dancin in the moonlight~> > JImdbb > > ================================================================ From: Phil Chitester Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:43:41 -0600 Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 72 Message-ID: <3B6E045D.9E3B4209@yahoo.com> References: <3b6c804e@news2.lightlink.com> <20010804222158.19624.00002345@ng-ca1.aol.com> <3b6d00a9@news2.lightlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: libr154-189.colorado.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: peabody.colorado.edu 997065234 26275 128.138.154.189 (6 Aug 2001 02:33:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2001 02:33:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!skynet.be!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.colorado.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1354625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 3407 Magoo wrote: > One would think I would just quit....but you see, Hubbard was smart in this > area. He built it in so IF someone wasn't winning,,,there was something wrong > with THEM. Since you cannot really talk to anyone about it, you are stuck with > just thinking "if i just do more of this....or do it better....then I'll get > done". I'm sorry, Tory, but this is just logic. If you're not winning it is not because of someone or something over in Hong Kong. Unless it's a BT situation I guess. I'm only Clear and can't speculate on that. You said that you tried to audit over out rudiments and that is strictly out tech sounding. Help me out Claire. No one is expected to get case gain in that situation, as far as I have heard. > Because you are on OT 7 you are expected to set this certain image. People are > always asking you "How do you like OT 7? Is it really great?" That is true. Everyone usually looks up to OTs. > Since I hated it....this was a constant hassle for me, and as I have said, I > was a near chronic liar by the end....which is why Andreas' e-mail to me meant > SO much! More out rudiments for you to try to operate over. > Probably THE biggest hassle is that you are expected (and this is a BIG deal, > so you cannot just blow it off and not do it) to audit EVERY SINGLE > DAY>>>>>and for the 7 years I was on, they wanted us to audit 5 hours a day. 5 > hours is an enormous amount of time to audit anything....but almost impossible > with OT 7. Also, in order to do this, you have to be sessionable....so there > goes your life. At a party? Honey..we have to leave, as "I have to be > sessionable". I can see your frustration there, even though I have never had that mass. But it sounds like that is just part of the game of the dedicated Scientologist. Isn't it? > Want to have a drink? "No thanks...I am auditing on OT 7 and I have to be > sessisonalbe tomorrow." Now I know some who worked out a way to drink...but it > was a hassle. See, you cannot audit for 24 hours after drinking. SO > technically one Could drink, and then audit the next night. But most people > are not sessionable at night. I'm not a big drinker anyways, so that wasn't a > big deal for me. But Having to be sessionable (have enough sleep) every > single day 365 days a year, for 7 years.....is one long drag....especially for > this night owl. > > There was also a HUGE guilt trip that went along with Scientology. IF for any > reason anything isn't going "perfectly"....well, you must have scewed up, > didn't you? You must be PTS, or downtone. If your hours weren't high enough > (which almost nobodys were on OT 7) you were considered "downstat" and were in > a continual guilt trip about not doing enough. That I thought is in the general nature of the 'case supervisorial technology' part of the tech, to go by indicators and then to investigate. Apparently you weren't too keen on getting investigated frequently. I can understand how that could be an irritation. > YOU were the reason the planet is so screwed up! Think I am kidding? No, but I think that's not fair to say. All of us, maybe. > When the Berlin Wall came down...what do you think Scientology attributed it > to?> FACT: "It was because OT 8 came out. The OT 8's got it to come down." Perhaps OTs worked on helping it along. Phil ------------ wanted to comment on the rest but it is closing time here ================================================================ From: jimdbb@aol.com (JimDBB) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 05 Aug 2001 02:21:58 GMT References: <3b6c804e@news2.lightlink.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Today you Arrive at FLag Message-ID: <20010804222158.19624.00002345@ng-ca1.aol.com> Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1354162 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 729 >Subject: Today you Arrive at FLag >From: "Magoo" magoo44@worldnet.att.net >Date: 8/4/01 6:12 PM Central > >In answering a joke about how many Scientologist would it take to change a >light bulb, I realized just how many people are involved in one day in >Scientology. So here is a typical arrival at Flag: Thanks for this great post, Tory. I"ve just printed it out and it will be mailed to an appropriate person. I wonder if you would elaborate on actually doing OT 7. If a person is on OT 7 for A year or more what would he/she be doing everyday...attempting to contact, telepatically, invisible alien spirits (Body Thetans or BTs). Can a person do this day after day and stay sane? Can you please elaborate? JImdbb ================================================================