[ This article was originally posted to alt.religion.scientology on 3/29/96 by Prignillius. He describes it as "a rebuttal to a careless claim made by Church of Scientology PR hack Andrew Milne." ] BTs Or DTs? In article <4iuksg$sk4@crl10.crl.com>, milne@crl.com (Andrew Milne) wrote: > >William Barwell (wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote: >: In article <4iq554$gg2@crl12.crl.com>, Andrew Milne wrote: >: >Dave Bird --- St Hippo of Augustine (dave@xemu.demon.co.uk) wrote: >: >: L Ron Hubbard, got stoned out of his mind on pinks and greys >: > Andrew: >: >False. Mr. Hubbard developed effective drug rehabilitation techniques and >: >most certainly did not take drugs himself. > Pope Charles: >: Pinks and greys, Andy. And rum. He wrote about his drug habit to his >: wife Mary Sue and this letter ended up in evidence in a court of law and >: is well known. And Elron admitted he had used LSD in a letter to the FBI. >: Still existing. (before LSD was outlawed though). > Andrew: >You are hallucinating. No mention of drug use appears anywhere in his >correspondence. And in article <4jd0qt$dl8@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>, wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell) says: (quote from Pope contains unmarked snippage) > >HAR! Found it! > >Bent Corydon L. Ron Hubbard - Madman or Messiah ? That's "Messiah or Madman." > >Page 54 Page 59. At least in the expanded 1992 paperback edition. > > >Armstrong, told me, (Bent Corydon) among other things, of a letter to his >third wife, Mary Sue when Hubbard was in Las Palmas during 1967 at the >inception of the Sea Org. This letter is now in custody of the court. In >it Hubbard tells his wife: >"I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys." > >This of course was just before he starting developing his whacked out OT III >stuff with Xenu, volcanoes and BTs. During the time, you mean. The stuff I've read convinces me that OT III was the *record* of his experiences with rum and pinks and grays. > >Continuing... > >John McMasters told me that on the flagship apollo in the late sixties he >witnessed Hubbard's drug supply. "It was the largest drug chest I had >ever seen He had everything!" > >Har!, Drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys! Don't forget about the "largest drug chest I've ever seen." > >Did you read that Andy Milne, you twisted little sailor! >Documented. >in Hubbard's own handwriting! >In the court's possession! > >Cheerful Charlie In "A Piece Of Blue Sky" (APOBS) (copyright (c) 1990 by Jon Atack, p. 171), we find: Hubbard had spent the last weeks of 1966 "researching" OT3 in North Africa. In a letter of the time, he admitted that he was taking drugs ("pinks and grays") to assist his research.(16) Early in 1967, Hubbard flew to Las Palmas, and Virginia Downsborough, who cared for him after his arrival, was astonished that he was existing almost totally on a diet of drugs. For three weeks Hubbard was bedridden, while Downsborough weaned him off this diet. According to her, he was obsessed with removing his "body-thetans."(17) 16: Interview with Gerald Armstrong, East Grinstead, June 1984. 17: Interview with Virginia Downsborough, Santa Barbara, October 1986. There is also confirmation of the claims the Pope posted from "Messiah or Madman" in "A Piece Of Blue Sky" (p. 332-3), talking about the Gerry Armstrong trial: ...there are letters sent from North Africa in late 1966, to Mary Sue at Saint Hill, which give details of the drugs Hubbard was taking to "research" the most secret of Scientology's levels, OT3. And, from the mouth of Source himself (APOBS, p. 119): In a lecture in June 1950, Hubbard had admitted to having been a phenobarbitol addict. He also spoke knowledgeably about the effects of sodium amytal, ACTH (a hormone), opium, marijuana and sodium pentathol. These statements were not contested by the Church of Scientology in their libel suit against Jon Atack. In a different interview, Virginia Downsborough told Russell Miller (in "Bare-Faced Messiah" copyright (c) 1987 by Russell Miller, p. 266): We found him a hotel in Las Palmas and next day I went back to see if he was all right, because he did not seem to be too well. When I went in to his room, there were drugs of all kinds everywhere. He seemed to be taking about sixty thousand different pills. I was appalled, particularly after listening to all his tirades against drugs and the medical profession. There was something very wrong with him... My main concern was to try and get him off all the pills he was on and persuade him that there was still plenty for him to do. On the same page, Miller says: It was important for Hubbard to be discovered in this dramatically debilitated condition at this time, for it would soon be announced to fellow Scientologists that he had completed `a research accomplishment of immense magnitude' described... as the `Wall of Fire'. This was the OT III material... These statements were not contested by the Church of Scientology in their libel suit against Russell Miller. And in "Messiah or Madman" (copyright (c) 1987, 1992 by Bent Corydon p. 59), we find, following the Pope's two quotes, and also referring to the Armstrong trial: ...a letter by Hubbard to his first wife was revealed, the last sentence of which declared: "I do love you, even if I used to be an opium addict." Ron's love of rum was also documented on p. 39, as Hana Eltringham Whitfield tells us: ...I watched him drink glass after large glass of rum and Coke: three-quarters rum and one-quarter Coke; some seven or eight in an evening. Yet he never slurred a word and never swayed or in any way acted the slightest bit inebriated. This kind of tolerance to alcohol is certainly the sign of a chronic abuser. Now I will show that Ron's drug activities were directly responsible for the central tenets of Scientolgy's upper levels. Notice that John Atack documents that Ron was using rum, pinks and greys in his "research." What else could he have been researching at that time except OT III? Then Virginia Downsborough says that he returned to Las Palmas totally debilitated from drugs. This absolutely must have been just after he "passed through the Wall of Fire." Note also that one of the two principal volcanoes in Incident II, and the only one in the Atlantic, was on Las Palmas. This was where the bombed-out thetans were "packaged into clusters," which later became Body Thetans. Ron never mentioned Body Thetans before he "passed through the Wall of Fire," and was clearly obsessed with them for ever afterward. OT III thru VII are all about exorcising these "clusters." (See also the final quote in this aritcle.) The fact that Virginia Downsborough says that he was obsessed with removing his "body-thetans" at this point completes the story. Shortly thereafter, in Las Palmas, he published "Ron's Journal '67," in which the existence of OT III was announced to the world. I think the above material reveals the following sequence of events: 1. Ron writes his wife that he is using rum, pinks and greys to help him with some new "research." 2. Ron passes through the "Wall of Fire" and discovers Body Thetans. 3. Ron returns to Las Palmas in a debilitated condition from too much drug abuse, obsessed about Body Thetans. 4. OT III, containing references to Las Palmas and the first references to Body Thetans, is released from Las Palmas. - From this, the inescapable conclusion is that not only was L. Ron Hubbard a drug-soaked booze-hound, as the Pope claims, but that the central Sacred Scripture of the Advanced Materials of the Church of Scientology is indeed the direct product of its founder's dissolute, self-abusive activities. Finally, on an only slightly-related note (at least it was in this thread), Xemu requested a reference to Hubbard's mental state at his death. This is from the Affadavit of Andre Tabayoyon (brackets mine): 38. I was advised by Richard Aznaran, Sinar Parman and Annie Breeder [Broeker?] that Hubbard was an unhandled PTS III when he died. According to Sinar Parman [LRH's personal manservant], Hubbard was a psychopathic insane person screaming about BT's and clusters at the top of his lungs. Prignillius + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | Prignillius na451544@anon.penet.fi | | ^^ | | It is a habit, in fact a policy, of the Church's PR people to | | use extensive documentation to back its public statements. | | Given that Andrew Milne is an official spokesperson for the | | Church, you can be sure that when he makes a statement of this | | kind, that documentation exists. | | - Keith Little | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +