Dr. Lo Replies to Professor Engelking's Criticisms

John Collins asked Dr. Shui-Yin Lo for a response to the criticisms made in the Affidavit of Paul Engelking (part of The Oregon Files from the Oregon Attorney General's office.) Dr.Paul C. Engelking is a Professor of Chemistry at the University of Oregon. Dr. Lo replied in email, and Mr. Collins then forwarded the response to me (Dave Touretzky), with permission to post it. The response consists of two quotes from the affidavit, each followed by a reply.

Here is the first quote from the Engelking affidavit, along with Dr. Lo's reply:

Prof. Engelking:
(par. 2)
The existance of IE crystals .... is not supported by theory. One of Dr Lo's calculations violated one of the three fundamental laws of thermodynamics and one of the four fundamental equations of electromagnetic theory.

Dr. Lo: The theory for IE crystals has been worked out in "Possible Mechanism of Formation and Stability of Anomalous States of Water" by Drs. C.Y. Wong and S.Y. Lo, published in the Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Physical, Chemical and Biological Properties of Stable Water (IE) Clusters (hereafter referred to as Proceedings). Dr. C.Y. Wong obtained his Ph.D. from Princeton University, and has been a world renowned nuclear theorist at Oak Ridge National Labs. The paper relies heavily on the work of Professor J.A. Wheeler, a Professor of theoretical physics at Princeton University, and Dr. L.D. Landau, who is a Nobel Prize winner in theoretical physics. Their references are quoted in the paper. Does Professor Engelking imply that these two renowned theoretical physicists do work that violates the fundamental laws of physics? Since Professor Engelking did not specify where Lo's work violates a specific equation or law, Dr. Lo is unable to be more specific in the response.

References: D.L. Hill and J. A. Wheeler, Phys. Rev. 89, 1102 (1953).
L.D. Landau, Z. Phys. Sow. Un. 2, 46 (1932).

Notes: Dr. Cheuk-Yin Wong is a Senior Scientist at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Dr, Lev Landau received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1962, and died in 1968.

Here is the second quote from the affidavit, and Dr. Lo's reply:

Prof. Engelking:
(par. 3)
Dr Lo did not use appropriate controls in his experiments. Structure Probe used strict controls in the procedures described in its report #34674.

Dr. Lo: The electron microscope pictures published by Dr. Lo are done by an independent laboratory, EMS, which is an accredited laboratory by the state of Oregon. The operator followed strict procedures to obtain the pictures and always included a control in all their operations. Did Dr. Engelking talk to the operator to ascertain that they did not use appropriate controls? The atomic force microscope (AFM) pictures of the IE crystals are verified independently by Dr. S.N. Magonov (see proceedings p.91) of Digital Instruments, the manufacturer of half of the high end atomic force microscopes. I was once once told Dr. Magonov himself has written two books.

Furthermore, Structure Probe has never contacted ATG, and it is not clear what solution they tested. They have refused to respond to our overtures.

Reference: S.N. Magonov, Atomic force microscopy of adsorbates from IE solutions. Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Physical, Chemical and Biological Properties of Stable Water (IE) Clusters, 91-100 (1998). Singapore: World Scientific.

Note: a web search found one recent title by Sergei Magonov and Myung-Hwan Whangbo: Surface Analysis With STM and AFM: Experimental and Theoretical Aspects of Image Analysis. John Wiley & Sons, 1996. Currently out of print.

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