Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:08:09 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:40:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 235+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Hasn't the message line bogosity gone on long enough? In-Reply-To: References: <1992Aug26.215345.23827@adobe.com> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:02:43 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: AMDS problem Since building Andrew 5.1 on sun4c_41 running afs31b, we've been experiencing frequent, but sporadic problems in reading new mail from a user's home-area Mailbox. When attempting to read new mail, a pop-up window reports, "Messages in /afs/alw.nih.gov/dcrt/userid_here/Mailbox could not be properly read and delivered (0 successes, 0 failures (0 locked, 0 in progress))". The message window at the bottom of the screen says, "Error: Bogus return from system call (in system in ProcessNewMesssages)". When this problem occurs, the user's setup appears fine--tokens are present, quotas are well below limits, etc. What's odd, though, is that the occurrence of this problem is linked to a host, rather than to a specific user. That is, when one user experiences difficulty reading new mail from a particular workstation, everybody who logs into that workstation sees the same problem. Yet the workstation setup looks normal. Many different workstations (all with nearly identical setups) have been experiencing this problem. An automatic bug report generated from messages on a disfunctioning workstation consistently shows only one peculiarity: a warning always indicates the presence of an open messages file in /tmp, as shown below: Here are the open files known to the file descriptor plumber: ---------------------------------------- File '/tmp/oecs5xi0ts190kEU85' (opened by fopen) is still open. Total of 1 open files. Oddly, a directory listing of /tmp shows no such file, which leads one to believe that messages is attempting to use /tmp for some sort of temporary storage during new mail processing, and that the transaction is unsuccessful. This problem persists for hours or days at a time, then disappears. If anyone has clue what might be causing this problem, we'd be very grateful for some help. Thanks, Bob Dew National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892 (301) 496-5361 Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 1 Sep 92 12:25:49 EDT Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18857; Tue, 1 Sep 92 12:25:40 EDT Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA06885; Tue, 1 Sep 92 12:25:36 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cattey X-Andrew-Message-Size: 669+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Bob Dew Subject: Re: "slow networks" In-Reply-To: References: <9208270705.AA03528@apollo.gl.pitt.edu> <8ebFLI8Gf047QPRGx1@athena.mit.edu> X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from piglet.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.piglet.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.piglet.transarc.com.pmax_3; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2062+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Bill Cattey Subject: Re: "slow networks" In-Reply-To: References: <9208270705.AA03528@apollo.gl.pitt.edu> <8ebFLI8Gf047QPRGx1@athena.mit.edu> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: AMDS problem CC: wdc@Athena.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: References: Well, egg on my face. The problem with "messages" not being able to read new mail on sun hosts appears to be due to our 1.8MB amsn.do exhausting the available swap space whenever the "Read Mail" menu option is selected. Short of killing off a bunch of processes, we'll have to opt for a more streamlined mail reader in situations like this--e.g., "cat". -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:51:51 EDT Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk id <28433-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:51:21 +0100 To: j.haar@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Jason Haar's message of 31 Aug 1992 13:42:52 +1200 (NZST) Subject: messages and X windows Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:51:22 +0100 From: Matthew Jude Brown Sender: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk In article Jason Haar writes: >Hi, > >Over the past month or so I've been trialing the ATK binary distribution on >our Sun server. > >From my SPARCstation it ran/runs very well, and I'm already to announce its >availability to the campus here. > >Unfortunately, I can't get it to run on NCD X-terminals - running ATK >applications (like runapp lauchapp) causes the following error: > > Could not open display; this program will not run without a window system > >Needless to say, windows was running at the time ;-) > >Any ideas where I should start looking for the problem? The server runs >SunOS 4.1.2 and X11R5. > >Cheers > >Jason Haar, Network Consultant For an immediate fix, try setting your DISPLAY environment variable to the numeric IP address of your X terminal instead of its domain name like so: setenv DISPLAY 129.31.81.33:0.0 instead of diapason:0.0 (of course, these are the numbers and name for my setup - replace them with yours ...) I think you'll find this will work - it did for me. Looking more closely, you'll probably find that your X terminals do not appear in /etc/hosts - instead, you're using NIS or DNS to resolve these host names. The problem is that you've linked with libraries with the wrong version of the hostname functions - gethostbyname() et al - probably you have a different version of these in your static libraries than in your dynamically linked libraries. Your other X applications are probably using the dynamic libraries, which have the right version of these for your setup. Solution? Link with -lresolv , add your X-terminals to /etc/hosts, or update your libraries. Hope this is of some use, -Matt -- | Matthew J. Brown | Dept. of Computing | If God intended for us to go to | | mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk | Imperial College, | lectures He wouldn't have created | | mjb02@cc.ic.ac.uk | 180 Queen's Gate | double-sided photocopiers. | | Morven on Lambda | LONDON SW7 2AZ | -IC RagMag 1991/92 | Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 482+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: j.haar@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: messages and X windows CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:45:32 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA18697; Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:36:54 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Sep 92 16:23:39 GMT From: concert!borg!axon!brandt@rutgers.edu (#66 Andrew Brandt) Subject: Any Mac archives on AFS? Message-Id: <14943@borg.cs.unc.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Does anyone know of any Macintosh archives (like sumex, rascal, umich) that are AFS mounted or even a mirror (like wuarchive)? Please send email, I will summarize to comp.sys.mac.system any archives I found out about. -Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 4132+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Bill Cattey , Zalman Stern Subject: Re: fonts when server differs CC: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu, gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu, ajp@sgi.com, zalman@netcom.com, janssen@parc.xerox.com, Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <9209020110.AA10900@cartier.mv.us.adobe.com> References: <9209020110.AA10900@cartier.mv.us.adobe.com> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay-1.mv.us.adobe.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:13:01 EDT Received: by mail-relay-1.mv.us.adobe.com; id AA15434; Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:12:55 -0700 Received: by cartier.mv.us.adobe.com (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NX3.0S) id AA11162; Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:05:43 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:05:43 PDT From: Zalman Stern Message-Id: <9209022105.AA11162@cartier.mv.us.adobe.com> Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: Fred Hansen Subject: Re: fonts when server differs Cc: Bill Cattey , rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu, gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu, ajp@sgi.com, zalman@netcom.com, janssen@parc.xerox.com, Info-Andrew Depending on the particular server, the performance of font operations may be significantly better than pixmaps. Server memory usage is also going to increase if each ATK application downloads its own set of pixmaps. So you end up tucking them under rocks (root window atoms) in the server to avoid that. Pretty soon you've implemented a distributed font cache protocol from hell. There was some discussion on one of the X11 lists about allowing applications to download their own fonts. The proposed solution involved adding client connect and download funtionality to the X11R5 font server protocol. The font server could then provide the font to the X11 server proper. (My memory is vague and I haven't followed X11R5 developments so some of this may be wrong.) This would be winning since the font would be downloaded once. A good download protocol would be able to negotiate the font format (preferably with the font server accepting all the known formats of interest and converting them on the fly). ATK would check if the fonts were available, if not it could try to make them known "via the filesystem," and finally just download the font in question. For X terminals, things would be slow to startup because of the font downloads but the fonts would quickly be cached. -Z- Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:19:10 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5593; Wed, 02 Sep 92 19:21:49 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:18:20 CDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:18:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:17:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:17:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix 31 via MS.5.6.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:17:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:17:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1988+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: bug: sendmessage's styles Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 3 Sep 92 02:47:25 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA16074; Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:43:02 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Sep 92 18:29:18 GMT From: ck31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Bruce Kidwell) Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Any Mac archives on AFS? Message-Id: <715487358.6626.0@unix6.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <14943@borg.cs.unc.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >Does anyone know of any Macintosh archives (like sumex, rascal, umich) >that are AFS mounted or even a mirror (like wuarchive)? The umich archives can be found in /afs/umich.edu/group/itd/archive/mac I haven't seen any others yet... Chris Kidwell ck31@andrew.cmu.edu Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Virginia.EDU (uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 3 Sep 92 10:01:01 EDT Received: from server.cs.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU id aa18831; 3 Sep 92 9:59 EDT Received: from gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU by uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (4.1/5.1.UVA) id AA20028; Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:59:50 EDT Posted-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:59:50 EDT Return-Path: Received: by gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU (4.1/SMI-2.0) id AA10022; Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:59:50 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:59:50 EDT From: swh2y@gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU Message-Id: <9209031359.AA10022@gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: AMS Filtering I need some more information on Andrew Message System filtering. Do you know of any papers, tech reports, etc. that specifically talks about filtering? Sonia Henry Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 614+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Zalman Stern Subject: Re: fonts when server differs CC: Bill Cattey , rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu, gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu, ajp@sgi.com, zalman@netcom.com, janssen@parc.xerox.com, Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <9209022105.AA11162@cartier.mv.us.adobe.com> References: <9209022105.AA11162@cartier.mv.us.adobe.com> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0edXSRe00Woh5D=Q1Y@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 14465+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , swh2y@gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU Subject: Re: AMS Filtering CC: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9209031359.AA10022@gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU> References: <9209031359.AA10022@gingko.cs.Virginia.EDU> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:29:57 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; 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Thu, 03 Sep 92 16:17:50 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:13:24 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:13:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:13:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:13:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:13:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1733+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: fonts when server differs In-Reply-To: References: <9209022105.AA11162@cartier.mv.us.adobe.com> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:40:09 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: DECnet mail In-Reply-To: <8edZZhG00WohBD=RZL@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <1992Sep3.155407.3709@engage.pko.dec.com> <8edZZhG00WohBD=RZL@andrew.cmu.edu> > Is there any way to convinced CUI/messages to send DECnet style mail > (HOST::USER)? I am using Ultrix sendmail so it will work as long as AMS does > attempt to send it. I thought I had turned off all address validation but apparently not. You probably can't teach messages how to validate addresses with this kind of syntax. But presumably your local network has some sort of Internet-to-DECnet SMTP relay host, capable of resolving DECnet mailing addresses? If that's the case, then you could work around the problem by defining a "dummy" domain, say ".DNET", in your AndrewSetup file, under "AMS_ValidDomainSuffixes:". Correspondingly, you'd list your Internet-to-DECnet relay host address under "AMS-ValidDomainRelays:", in AndrewSetup. It would be up to the messages user, then, to change addresses of the form, "HOST::USER", to "USER@HOST.DNET", when composing a mail message destined for a DECnet recipient. Messages would validate such address, and pass them along to the DECnet realy host. -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:18:45 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA14198; Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:07:15 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 3 Sep 92 15:54:07 GMT From: pa.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!irenaeus.mlo.dec.com!eje@decwrl.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Subject: DECnet mail Message-Id: <1992Sep3.155407.3709@engage.pko.dec.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Is there any way to convinced CUI/messages to send DECnet style mail (HOST::USER)? I am using Ultrix sendmail so it will work as long as AMS does attempt to send it. I thought I had turned off all address validation but apparently not. Just out of curiosity, does AMDS support DECnet at all? Yeah, yeah, I know, why use DECnet, but you see it tends to be prevalent and rather necessary here where I work . . . Eric -- /======================================================================== =====| Eric Ewanco - Software Engineer For the rash and outrageous opinions ex-| | Digital Equipment Corp, Maynard MA pressed herein I alone am responsible; | | ewanco@kalvin.enet.dec.com they do not belong to DIGITAL(TM). | text822, 67993