Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:26:05 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos 4 via MS.5.6.emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 478+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:26 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: building 5.1 on HP-UX We're trying to build the latest Andrew release for hp700_ux805 under AFS 3.1. The HP-UX link editor reports the following error, when attempting to run "makedo" on atk/basics/common/path.o: > ld: DP-Relative Code in file /usr/afsws/lib/afs/libsys.a(rmtsysc.o) - > Shared Library must be Position-Independent This seems an odd error, as "libsys.a" is not a shared library. Previously, we encountered other build problems involving an AFS header file () whose inclusion seemed to be missing from several source files in andrew/overhead. Has anyone successfully compiled Andrew 5.1 on HP-UX with AFS defined? Thanks for any help, -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1082+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: building 5.1 on HP-UX In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for gk5g+; Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:43:24 EDT Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23928; Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:43:15 EDT Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA08906; Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:43:12 -0400 Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cattey To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: building 5.1 on HP-UX Cc: In-Reply-To: References: At the risk of torching up another fire storm: Isn't it about time we removed the AFS dependencies from AUIS? Does anyone remember the reason why EZ needs to know about AFS? I know that there used to be a problem with sending mail if one of the AFS file servers in your MSPATH went down. In the interest of making porting easier, and making the system simpler and thereby easier to maintain, could we investigate removing all the AFS_ENV code? -wdc Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 3 Oct 92 20:30:12 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26156; Sat, 3 Oct 92 17:23:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Oct 92 15:19:47 GMT From: fmrco!fmrco!asherman@uunet.uu.net (Aaron Sherman) Organization: I-Kinetics, 19 Bishop-Allen Dr., Cambridge, MA Subject: Request for FAQ Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu If there is an FAQ for this group, could someone please send it to me? Thanks. -AJS PS: If there is none, could someone please send me whatever info would be useful to someone looking into this software (how to get, limitations, benefits, etc...) -- -------- Disclaimer: I am solely responsible for the content of this message. The views expressed here may not be the views of I-Kinetics, Fidelity, any of the Fidelity-owned corporations or my mother. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:02:50 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA04245; Sun, 4 Oct 92 20:53:22 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 03:31:54 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: AFS dependencies in ez (Was: building 5.1 on HP-UX) Message-Id: <1992Oct5.033154.22456@adobe.com> References: <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bill Cattey) writes: > At the risk of torching up another fire storm: Isn't it about time > we removed the AFS dependencies from AUIS? > > Does anyone remember the reason why EZ needs to know about AFS? 1) File saving and restoring code calls vclose for final saves (not checkpoints) to ensure that the file really made it to the server. 2) The code that handles '?' at a filename completion prompt appeneds a slash ('/') to names depending on the least significant bit of the inode number. This is a gross ugly performance hack that made a lot of difference in user satisfaction. 3) The error messages that come up on an error return from a file system call were written with AFS in mind. 4) Ez checks the error return from close. 1 and 2 won't work without AFS. (And if I recall were #ifdef'ed appropriately from day one.) 3 is a user interface anomaly ("What's a file server?") and 4 is good programming practice no matter what. I carefully avoided building in any knowledge about access control lists for example. (Using "access" where needed.) It would be diffcult to do that for DCE since files can have ACL's. This corresponds to ez as it was originally written. Things have probably changed. My memory is also far from infallible. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for outnews+netnews.comp.text; Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:42:25 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred Hansen To: Info-Andrew , XANNOUNCE@expo.lcs.mit.edu, outnews+netnews.comp.text@andrew.cmu.edu, outnews+netnews.cmu.cs.general@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium In-Reply-To: References: Sender: wjh@LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU Several respondents to my previous post about the Andrew Consortium newsletter have raised questions which point out other ways to read the news: on AFS, the newsletter is at /afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d To interpret the .d file, you should read it with ez, the Andrew object editor. For other versions see .../newsletters/ASCII/92Sept.ascii and .../newsletters/PostScript/92Sept.ps Best of all, you can read the Andrew version via the remote demo service. To get the service started, finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu or finger help@128.2.30.51 and follow directions. After the service is running and displays its initial window, click on the "ez" button to get the editor. Then type control-X-control-V and answer the prompt with the file name: /afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d Have fun reading the news. Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium Send comments or requests to info-andrew-requests@andrew.cmu.edu Send bug reports to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:48:56 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13500; Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:40:21 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 20:06:19 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!marshall@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Bill Marshall) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Subject: Monochrome Setup Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I used Andrew this summer at IBM Rochester (to anyone in Rochester: nice setup!) so now I am trying to run Andrew from an HP750. It runs fine, but I have a monochrome X-terminal and things are hard to read to ez. (The background is shaded or the text is) I have read through help on preferences and ez, but I can't get the write items in my .preferences file. Here is what I have: ez.background: white ez.foreground: black *.BackgroundColor: white *.ForegroundColor: black AMShome:cs.iastate.edu Thanks, Bill -- Bill Marshall Computer Science Department Iowa State University marshall@cs.iastate.edu Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:49:33 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Monochrome Setup In-Reply-To: References: For whatever reason, a black background setting can cause Andrew display problems on some black & white monitors. We have similar problems with a b&w high resolution HP monitor, and with Graphon X-terminals. To work around the problem, try a shaded background, like xterm -fg white -bg darkslategrey -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:51:59 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA05551; Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:41:06 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 13:09:05 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka .de!fhg!ise.fhg.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm running ATK on Sparcstations under Openwindows 3 as well as X11 R5. My problem is that I occasionally get eternally long delays (up to 5 seconds :-) when viewing formatted text, such as in the help files. The lags seem to come at font changes in the text. I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then I noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been created and are in the font path. Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de W - 7800 Freiburg | Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:07:33 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA15267; Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:06:34 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 06:50:24 GMT From: gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary Keim) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: References: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 5-Oct-92 Annoying delay when loading.. Matthew Wyneken@sun1.ruf (1032) > I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then > I noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been created and are in the font path. The delays you are noticing are caused when a font is called for that is not already in the Xserver. Once loaded the delay should cease -- for that particular font-family/size combination. Let me know if you have a repeatable case where this delay happens over and over for the same font. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:37:42 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA18345; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:33:45 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 07:11:54 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: References: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 5-Oct-92 Annoying delay when loading.. Matthew Wyneken@sun1.ruf (1032) > Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can do about it? The most likely sources for delay are the network, disk access, and of course scaling. There is basically nothing which can be done short of using fewer different fonts. I suppose it might be useful to have a client connect to the server and allocate commonly used fonts to minimize the need to reload fonts from disk. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:52:39 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Adam Stoller Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium Cc: info-andrew@ANDREW.CMU.EDU In-Reply-To: References: The new editor for structured image objects (line drawings or figures) has reached the point where it needs a name. What name do you like: vel, gecko, andraw, figure, lined, elvis, adraw, drawl, draft, odraw, g-ode, ode, yahoo, AAAHCHHH, , , The decision of the judges is final. Duplicate prizes will be awarded in case of ties. FredH Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8779;andrew.cmu.edu;Andrew C. Plotkin Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:18:25 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew C. Plotkin" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> References: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 7-Oct-92 Re: Newsletter from Andrew .. Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (451) > The new editor for structured image objects (line drawings or figures) > has reached the point where it needs a name. > What name do you like: > vel, gecko, andraw, figure, lined, elvis, adraw, drawl, > draft, odraw, g-ode, ode, yahoo, AAAHCHHH, Since I'm responsible for the program, I believe I'll explain some of these.... Vel: This is the current name. It was chosen because the editor is intended to replace Zip. And, see, using velcro is very similar to using a zip, except that velcro is cheaper, easier to use, never breaks or jams.... :-) Gecko: Geckos are cute. (Well, not very.) Andraw: Like MacDraw, only without the Mac. Figure: From the same people who brought you inset names like Text, Raster, Chart, Table, Footnote... On the other hand, every time you started it up, you could say "Go Figure!" Lined: Well, you can edit lines with it. Among other things. Elvis: Your guess is as good as mine. Adraw: See Andraw. Drawl: See Adraw. (Only this is cornier.) Draft: A drafting table? I dunno. Odraw: See Drawl. G-Ode: Graphic Object Drawing Editor. Advantages: sounds cool. Disadvantages: we can't use it, because the hyphen will crash all of our preprocessors and compilers. Ode: Object Drawing Editor. Like G-Ode, but without either the advantages or disadvantages. Yahoo: When Rob sent me his list of suggestions, the subject line was "Yahoo". AAAHCHHH: This would be the very first program name that you *cannot* say quietly; you *must* scream it, or you're pronouncing it wrong. This would be great fun at conferences, demos, etc. Imagine Fred Hansen standing up and saying "We are proud to announce our new drawing editor AAAHCHHH!!!!" (You would all have to do it too, of course.) Consider these factors well, before you choose a name (or make up your own.) Andrew Plotkin Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:24:42 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA21266; Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:11:09 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 17:56:52 GMT From: darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!eratu. rz.uni-konstanz.de!nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de!zh@gatech.edu (Z. Horvat) Organization: Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz Subject: Font Problem Message-Id: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've finaly managed to build Andrew under AIX 3.2 by making some slight modifications to config/rs_aix31/* (commenting #undef ANSI_C_SOURCE and some other slight mofifications). Apllications start and seem to run fine, but it looks like they cannot find the approriate fonts - everything is always displayed with same font and size, except the menu bar, which has the correct font (I've used Andrew before, so i know what it has to look like). I have already tried xset +fp /usr/andrew/X11fonts and xset fp rehash several times, but i can't figure out what's needed to make ez and other applications using the right fonts. I've build with and without DPS_ENV yet, without any luck. What irritates me is that no error message is displayed at all. Thanks in advance for any hints on the subject. -- --------------------------------------------------- SYS337654 Could not locate coffee - Operator halted --------------------------------------------------- Z. Horvat Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz ++49-7531-88-2405 zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:14:59 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1746; Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:17:23 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 92 09:11:39 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 805+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:32:25 EDT Received: by nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19108; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:25 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.nike.rz.uni.konstanz.de.rs.aix 31 via MS.5.6.nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de.rs_aix31; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:24 +0100 (NFT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:24 +0100 (NFT) From: "Z. Horvat" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2018+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Excerpts from mail: 8-Oct-92 Re: Font Problem Todd Inglett@rchl= and.ibm (805+0) Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 5-Oct-92 Font Prob= lem Z. Horvat@RCHGATE.rchlan (1078) Apllications start and seem to run fine, but it looks like t= hey cannot find the approriate fonts If you don't have an X11r5 server (you don't if you are running the p= roduct AIX server), make sure you install .snf rather than .pcf fonts. To get= .snf fonts, simply put a #undef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV in your site.h. Until you g= et things working, you might want to put the following into your ~/preferences= file: *.AnnounceFontSubstitutions: true *.ErrorsToConsole: false Does xset q show that /usr/andrew/X11fonts is on your font path? If = not, the X server doesn't like your new fonts. Does a fonts.dir file exist in= the font directory? If not, you probably forgot to build the xmkfontd direct= ory. -todd inglett Thanks for your answers. In the meantime, i have really been frustrated by usi= ng the IBM Product Server (X11R4 based) too much and have switched without pro= blems to R5. I rebuilded Andrew entirely (make World) and don't had any more p= roblems with Andrew so far. So i can't tell if your suggesting will help or no= t, sorry. One thing i noticed with ATK 5.1 under AIX 3.2 is that without ANDREW_MALLOC_E= NV defined any program with the menu point "Delete window" would crash by usin= g it. I have built with ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV and DEBUG_MALLOC (or something simil= ar, i can't remember ...) and so far i have not seen problems. And, yes, i had to make some minor changes to some .c files which included= errno.h> and then andrewos.h> to swap the two lines to make them read andrewos.h> error.h> so that they got compiled. Funny, but it worked. Greetings, --------------------------------------------------- SYS337654 Could not locate coffee - Operator halted --------------------------------------------------- Z. Horvat Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz ++49-7531-88-2405 zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for ghoti+; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:41:08 EDT Received: by inet; Thu Oct 8 10:18 EDT 1992 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gargoyle.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.gargoyle.sun4_41; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Schell X-Andrew-Message-Size: 191+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Adam Stoller , Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: drawing editor name Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> References: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:46:15 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2328; Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:48:38 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 92 09:44:35 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:44:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1538+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 506+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:28:51 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , XANNOUNCE@expo.lcs.mit.edu, outnews+netnews.comp.text@andrew.cmu.edu, outnews+netnews.cmu.cs.general@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: atk.itc.cmu.edu IP address The correct IP address for atk.itc.cmu.edu is 128.2.45.46 Please accept my apologies if you tried the incorrect address I posted last week. The remote demo service is finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu (The IP address for emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, the Andrew Consortium ftp server, is now 128.2.45.40.) Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:38:53 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3613; Thu, 08 Oct 92 19:41:17 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:36:11 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:36:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix 31 via MS.5.6.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 783+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: eq bugs Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:22:04 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 183+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: PLANEMASK_ENV Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:30:31 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA05850; Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:15:07 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Oct 92 18:50:48 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: PLANEMASK_ENV Message-Id: <1992Oct9.185048.7057@adobe.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: > In basics/x/xgraphic.c there is some code ifdefed on PLANEMASK_ENV. > Does anyone know what this is for, and if it is used by anyone? > > Thanks for any info, > -Rob Ryan > Andrew Consortium Really really vague memories gradually come back to me... (I didn't write this code though I've tried to find bugs in it.) ATK used to do certain operations by setting the planemask to the xor of the foregound and background pixel values and then xor'ing in the foreground color. This allows you to get something like standard xor rubberbanding on a color display where you are only using two colors. (I think that at one time Xgraphic wired the planemask to this xor'ed value and left it that way until you changed the fore and back colors.) There are a few problems with this: first actually using the planemask turned out to be dog slow on certain servers. Second, there were bugs in using the planemask on other servers. (Yet another X11 feature that you didn't want to use because it didn't get performance and QA attention.) Thirdly, this scheme completely falls apart when there are more than two colors in a window. If I recall, PLANEMASK_ENV at one time set things up to do xor mode drawing by xor'ing with the xor of the fore and back colors instead of setting the planemask. I'm not sure which direction the flag went. Also, I think other stuff has been added under PLANEMASK_ENV that probably doesn't have anything to do with the above. The last time I dealt with ATK (~two years ago), I had to compile it with different values of PLANEMASK_ENV for my 1 bit NCD and my 8 bit Magnum. And there were still a few bugs either way. I'd suggest figuring out what the correct X11 like thing to do is, riping out the PLANEMASK_ENV code (and anything else that looks suspect) and rewritting it. (Understand that at the time xgraphic was written, X11 theory and practice were relatively undeveloped. People actually believed GC's and Windows were dirt cheap for example.) The above ramble may be pure fiction. If you'd like a more direct source, talk to Andy Palay or Mark Sherman. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:59:39 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA07311; Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:55:22 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 8 Oct 92 03:34:00 GMT From: kum.kaist.ac.kr!usenet@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Lee Ki Seob) Organization: KAIST Subject: Is there any internationalized Andrew ? Message-Id: <1992Oct8.033400.28142@kum.kaist.ac.kr> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi all Is there any internationalized Andrew ? So to speak, I hope to use ez with all of alphabets including korean hangul, japanese kana, chinese hanja. Anyone who have infos about it, let me know. Thanks in advance. -- Lee, Ki Seob System Architecture Lab. Computer Science Department KAIST Seoul, Republic of Korea phone: +82-42-869-3554 (Office) email: leeks@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:00:29 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11793; Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:52:19 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Oct 92 19:30:05 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!biosci!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.c a!kwhite@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Isabelle Tourneux) Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa Subject: ADEW : initializations of values and texts, and flip page. Message-Id: <1992Oct6.193005.12811@csi.uottawa.ca> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I am writing a User Interface with Adew, and Adew has a strange behaviour towards flipping pages, and initializations of values and texts associated with views. I have got 2 buttons and a page . In this page, there are a multiple string entry view (menterstrV) and a text. The value of the multiple string entry and the text have to be initialized. I would like button 1 to flip page to the menterstrV, and button 2 to the text, both of them with the right text displayed . So I have put a page_SEtNowPlayingByName in the CallBack of each button. I have noticed that if the textview is the first view visible of the page , I can initialize the text in the controller_go (with text_AlwaysInsertCharacters). But it doesn't work if the textview is not visible at the beginning (if menterstrV is visible). I thought the text and the textview would be more independant than that. Is it not possible to initialize a text without its view being displayed ? How is memorized the text ? Is it static or dynamic (and lost when the view is not visible) ? So I have tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in InitializeObject. It is not accepted. So what is the use of the controller's InitializeObject ? I have also tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in the CallBack of the button which calls the view. When I click on a button, the view is correctly displayed and the value or text initialized , but only if the view is visible or HAS BEEN ALREADY VISIBLE since I ran the controller. It puzzles me that it works if the view has been already visible, and is not visible now. Could somebody explain that behaviour ? It seems that some initializations are done when the view is made visible for the first time. So I would like to force these initializations in the code of the button CallBack. What is the code to flip page when the view has NEVER been once visible ? (because page_SEtNowPlayingByName doesn't work in that case ). What is the code I could add to the button CallBack to initialize a value or text, when the view has NEVER been once visible ? And could this code be added somewhere else ? Thank you for all explanation and advice you could give me. Isabelle Tourneux, multimedia Lab of the University of Ottawa. isabelle@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:02:21 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA07998; Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:07:47 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Oct 92 18:18:22 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!news@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Anthony Yen) Organization: Coffee R Us Subject: Installation Question Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm trying to install the full source distribution on a SPARCsystem 670MP, and am encountering a puzzling error during the make of all the Makefiles. The following directories were missing and caused make errors (my entire source tree starts at /fac4/atk/build, and I've pointed DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV to /fac4/atk/andrew): /fac4/atk/build/overhead/util/pobbconf /fac4/atk/build/overhead/class/machdep/pobbconf /fac4/atk/build/overhead/class/pobbconf /fac4/atk/build/overhead/eli/pobbconf There were many more others under the "overhead" tree, and they all have the "pobbconf" subdirectory missing at various points in the tree. Can someone please point me to some documentation that explains what pobbconf is, and how I could be missing these subdirectories? -- ____ tyen@cs.utexas.edu.....Kowabunga!... /ony -- Claimer: Views expressed here == mine && only mine. Sail tough. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:19:06 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA25056; Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:13:48 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Oct 92 16:11:26 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!think.com!yale.edu!ira.u ka.de!ira.uka.de!news.belwue.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.B erkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: org and monochrome SS2 Message-Id: <1992Oct12.161126.3138@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm quite a fan of org, despite all the bugs. I recently noticed a nasty problem, though. I normally work on a Sun SLC and there everything works fine. Last week I was working on a SparcStation 2 and to my dismay, couldn't get my main org file to appear. At first I thought I had somehow lost all the information I had stored in the file and so was relieved when everything was fine when working on my SLC. It looks to me like somehow org doesn't get along with the 19" monochrome monitor on the SS2. We also have IPCs in our group, and org works fine with them, too. Has anybody had this problem? Is there a way to fix it? Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:52:33 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA25409; Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:50:33 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Oct 92 15:45:00 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!jetson.uh.edu! acslp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (M M Uddin (Pablo) acslp@jetson.uh.edu) Organization: University of Houston Subject: request for some information about AFS Message-Id: <13OCT199210453322@jetson.uh.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello, I am trying to find out if AFS will meet our needs at University of Houston. We have a wide variety of unix based workstations and also many machines running VMS. I would really like to know if we can use VMS-based machines with the Andrew File System. Also, is there a domonstration package that we can install here for the purpose of testing only before we commit ourselves to AFS. Thanks in advance _________________________________________________________________________ _______ Name: Mohammed Moin Uddin (Alias: Pablo) Email: MUddin@uh.edu or acslp@jetson.uh.edu (H): 8431 Hearth #36, Houston, Tx 77054. Tel: (713) 667-0826 (W): University of Houston, Houston, Tx 77204-5502 Tel: (713) 743-1561 "For him who follows a path of seeking knowledge, Allah will ease for him the path to Paradise." [Muslim] Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 19:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 19:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 17 Oct 92 19:13:22 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA19518; Sat, 17 Oct 92 16:04:35 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Oct 92 15:05:07 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca !news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Isabelle Tourneux) Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa Subject: ADEW : spawn a new process + initializations + flip page Message-Id: <1992Oct14.150507.18096@csi.uottawa.ca> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu -------- initializations + flip page ------------------------------------------------ I am writing a User Interface with Adew, and Adew has a strange behaviour towards flipping pages, and initializations of values and texts associated with views. I have got 2 buttons and a page . In this page, there are a multiple string entry view (menterstrV) and a text. The value of the multiple string entry and the text have to be initialized. I would like button 1 to flip page to the menterstrV, and button 2 to the text, both of them with the right text displayed . So I have put a page_SEtNowPlayingByName in the CallBack of each button. I have noticed that if the textview is the first view visible of the page , I can initialize the text in the controller_go (with text_AlwaysInsertCharacters). But it doesn't work if the textview is not visible at the beginning (if menterstrV is visible). I thought the text and the textview would be more independant than that. Is it not possible to initialize a text without its view being displayed ? How is memorized the text ? Is it static or dynamic (and lost when the view is not visible) ? So I have tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in InitializeObject. It is not accepted. So what is the use of the controller's InitializeObject ? I have also tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in the CallBack of the button which calls the view. When I click on a button, the view is correctly displayed and the value or text initialized , but only if the view is visible or HAS BEEN ALREADY VISIBLE since I ran the controller. It puzzles me that it works if the view has been already visible, and is not visible now. Could somebody explain that behaviour ? It seems that some initializations are done when the view is made visible for the first time. So I would like to force these initializations in the code of the button CallBack. What is the code to flip page when the view has NEVER been once visible ? (because page_SEtNowPlayingByName doesn't work in that case ). What is the code I could add to the button CallBack to initialize a value or text, when the view has NEVER been once visible ? And could this code be added somewhere else ? --------- spawn a new process -------------------------------------------------- I know how to run an inset in a new window from the CallBack of an Adew button, and in that case runadew still controls the new window with the inset (it is the same process). But I would like to be able to spawn a new process (adew or atk) from a CallBack, with the first runadew not having the control of this new application : if an adew controller is spawned, another runadew will control it; and if an atk application is spawned, this application will control itself in the new window. What is the typical code I will have to add ? What does exactly application_Fork do ? How can I spawn an adew controller (with no control button) in the code of an ATK application ? I have tried to run an adew controller+view from .startxrc : I have added a line "path/doController &" in .startxrc, and the view appears correctly but the controller doesn't work . What is the right way to spawn runadew (with the associated view and controller) from .startxrc ? -------------------------------------------- Thank you for all explanation and advice you could give me. Isabelle Tourneux, multimedia Lab of the University of Ottawa. isabelle@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 23:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 23:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 17 Oct 92 23:26:57 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01985; Sat, 17 Oct 92 20:25:30 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Oct 92 17:43:39 GMT From: mcsun!dxcern!dxcern!tbel@uunet.uu.net Organization: IBM Subject: CD Rom version running on AIX 3.2 Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've downloaded the CD ROM version of Andrew and unpacked the AIX 3.1 version. Most of the applications run fine but the messages application hangs after printing the initial title message. Do I need to re-compile on AIX 3.2 or will I get the same problem when I do ? Tim. -- Tim Bell IBM High Energy Physics European Centre CERN, Geneva, Switzerland TBEL@CERNVM.CERN.CH Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 06:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daiduk.kaist.ac.kr by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 18 Oct 92 06:37:06 EDT Received: from mani.kaist.ac.kr ([192.104.15.2]) by daiduk.kaist.ac.kr (4.1/hana-relay-3.1) id AA15292; Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:36:05 KST Received: by mani.kaist.ac.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09321; Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:35:32 KST From: leeks%mani.kaist.ac.kr@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr (Ki Seob Lee) Message-Id: <9210181035.AA09321@mani.kaist.ac.kr> Errors-To: Postmaster%mani.kaist.ac.kr@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr Subject: How to use another font family ? To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:35:31 KST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3h1-2 PL11] Hi all ! Andrew support andy, andysans, andytype, ... font family. But I hope to use another font family. Anyone who knows this, let me know. PS. I have a plan of displaying multi-lingual text in ez. -- Lee, Ki Seob System Architecture Lab. Computer Science Department, KAIST Seoul, Republic of Korea phone: +82-42-869-3554 (Office) email: leeks@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 20:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 20:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:50:20 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7499; Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:52:41 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 18 Oct 92 14:15:54 CDT Received: via switchmail; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 914+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: CD Rom version running on AIX 3.2 In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 11:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 11:08:33 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 19 Oct 92 11:07:52 EDT Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18594; Mon, 19 Oct 92 16:07:30 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07:29 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07:29 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ATK on SunSPARC10 Is there anybody running ATK on SunSPARC10 ? If so then under SunOS, Solaris 1.x or Solaris 2.0 ? Is anybody aware of any problems that may occur when trying to run CD binaries/building from sources on SS10 ? Thanks, -Kazimierz Zielinski Kapsch AG, Vienna, Austria email: fodatec@kapsch.co.at Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1480+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: building 5.1 on HP-UX In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:25:39 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 19 Oct 92 14:19:28 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14005; Mon, 19 Oct 92 14:19:27 -0400 Received: from lupine.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 141748.5277; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:17:48 EDT Received: from grant.ncd.com by lupine.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05731; Mon, 19 Oct 92 09:29:27 PDT Received: by grant.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15644; Mon, 19 Oct 92 09:43:24 PDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.grant.ncd.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.grant.ncd.com.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Olander Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: CUI question I want to execute a CUI command that: 1) reads my mail from /usr/spool/mail/... and places it in ~/Mailbox 2) then exits without further processing. I need this because /usr/spool/mail is on a host that doesn't run Messages. I want the data read into my home directory so that I can read the mail on an HP system that has my home account NFS mounted. I've tried: $cui updatetext822, 90531