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OK, it seems safe to pull out crt0.o from libcx.a. Good.


However, I can't see why this isn't done automatically under Ultrix-4. I fail 
to understand the awk script that does this so maybe someone who write it 
should have a look.


Chris.

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> I also received warnings about string literals being too long.  One place
> was ./atk/text/txttroff.c.  It complained about structures symtran, and
> symatran.  I can see this being a warning since they are 2 character arrays
> storing "xx", which would be 3 chars with a trailing \0.  I think it
> happened somewhere else too, but didn't note where.
It also happens in raster/lib/heximage.c (around line 54) and in
preview/dvi2disp.c (around line 420).  

> Also, in ./atk/zip/lib/zipve02.c (and somewhere in dvi2disp.c) I got
> errors about unknow directives on various lines:
I got those error messages, too.

> CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/a is not readable (error 2); ignoring it.
> Now, I can see these being errors, since I know /usr/a doesn't exist. 
> But, why is it trying to open /usr/a ???  The same errors seem to come
> up with help, console (maybe everything with runapp?)
I haven't built with patch level 7 yet, but this didn't happen for me with
patch level 6.  I'll let you know when I build PL7 if I get this, too.  

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Whoops ! Fred, Here are the RCS log files included in patch.007, but I 
overlooked one thing:  Tom N. and I were not able to locate 
atk/ness/objects/changes.sept.90.  I should have gotten this from you before 
sending out the patch.  Will you send me a copy and I'll post to info-andrew? 
 Thanks, Susan 




 Source file: atk/ness/tokens/lex.c

 Current version: 1.15

 revision 1.15        

 date: 90/07/29 14:54:13;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 47/11

 fixed so styles and objects are fully supported in short strings

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/call.c

 Current version: 1.36

----------------------------

revision 1.37        

date: 90/09/16 20:13:21;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 52/32

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 revision 1.36        locked by: wjh;       

 date: 90/07/28 17:52:13;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 5/2

 added functions searchforstyle, definestyle, and addstylebyname

 fixed bugs in addstyles

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/call.hn

 Current version: 1.11

 ----------------------------

 revision 1.11        

 date: 90/09/16 20:14:12;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 5/9

 see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

 ----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/envt.h

 Current version: 1.7

 ----------------------------

 revision 1.7        

 date: 90/09/16 20:14:20;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 10/5

 see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

 ----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/interp.c

 Current version: 1.31

 ----------------------------

 revision 1.31        

 date: 90/09/16 20:14:27;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 208/184

 see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

 ----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/ness.c

 Current version: 1.27

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/ness.ch

 Current version: 1.14

----------------------------

revision 1.14        

date: 90/09/16 20:14:55;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 25/3

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/nesscomp.gra

 Current version: 1.12

----------------------------

revision 1.12        

date: 90/09/16 20:15:01;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 41/33

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 revision 1.11        locked by: wjh;       

 date: 90/07/29 14:54:56;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 10/8

 changed comment to reflect new styled short string

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/nevent.c

 Current version: 1.23

----------------------------

revision 1.23        

date: 90/09/18 10:15:20;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 7/7


Added a NotifyObservers call in value_SetArrayElt().  Now when the latter is 
called the clicklistV--or other observer of the value--will display the 
modified string.


Changed the implementation of the Ness function value_SetArraySize to use the 
C function value_SetStrArrayAndSize. 

----------------------------

revision 1.22        

date: 90/09/16 20:15:12;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 205/73

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/nevent.hn

 Current version: 1.11

----------------------------

revision 1.11        

date: 90/09/16 20:15:25;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 3/3

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/real.c

 Current version: 1.12

----------------------------

revision 1.12        

date: 90/09/16 20:15:29;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 17/20

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/search.c

 Current version: 1.19

----------------------------

revision 1.19        

date: 90/09/16 20:15:35;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 14/16

see ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 revision 1.18        locked by: wjh;       

 date: 90/07/28 17:53:29;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 379/33

 added functions searchforstyle, definestyle, and addstylebyname

 fixed bugs in addstyles

 

 Source file: atk/ness/objects/nessruna.c

 Current version: 1.3

 revision 1.3        

 date: 90/08/01 16:27:53;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 14/11

 fixed a bug introduced last week where it mistakenly included the file name 
in the args as given to main()

 

 Source file: atk/ness/nesslib/date.n

 Current version: 1.2


 Source file: atk/ness/demos/badsub.n

 Current version: 1.2


 Source file: atk/ness/demos/bank.d

 Current version: 1.5


 Source file: atk/ness/demos/calc.d

 Current version: 1.3


 Source file: atk/ness/demos/happybday.n

 Current version: 1.1


 Source file: atk/ness/demos/xmas.d

 Current version: 1.8


 Source file: atk/ness/doc/nessauth.d

 Current version: 1.4


 Source file: atk/ness/doc/nessfunc.d

 Current version: 1.6

 revision 1.7        

 date: 90/09/16 21:18:27;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 95/123

 see atk/ness/objects/changes.sept.90

 ----------------------------

 revision 1.6        locked by: wjh;       

 date: 90/07/29 21:40:35;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 121/16

 documented date.n

 ----------------------------

 revision 1.5        

 date: 90/07/28 17:53:48;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 106/10

 added functions searchforstyle, definestyle, and addstylebyname

 

 Source file: atk/ness/doc/nessman.d

 Current version: 1.5

----------------------------

revision 1.6        

date: 90/09/16 21:19:08;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 51/16

see atk/ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 revision 1.5        locked by: wjh;       

 date: 90/07/29 15:05:04;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 51/9

 gave an example of a long string.

 

 Source file: atk/ness/doc/nesstut.d

 Current version: 1.3

----------------------------

revision 1.4        

date: 90/09/16 21:19:40;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 308/23

see atk/ness/objects/changes.sept.90

----------------------------

 

 Source file: atk/ness/doc/nessuser.d

 Current version: 1.2

----------------------------

revision 1.3        

date: 90/09/16 21:19:54;  author: wjh;  state: Exp;  lines added/del: 31/25

see atk/ness/objects/changes.sept.90

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\quotation{I just successfully built patchlevel 7 of Andrew on an RS/6000.  I 
only

}\quotation{had a few problems.  One problem was that XErrorHandler was 
undefined

}\quotation{(sorry, I don't remember where anymore).  So, I dipped into the R4 
header

}\quotation{files and added the following to my /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h file:

}
There is a new Make variable, PRE_X11R4_ENV, that should be set in site.h if 
the version of X that you're using pre-dates R4.  The version of X shipped 
with the RS/6000 is release 3.  That clears up the error with XErrorHandler.


Gary Keim

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The RCS logs for changed ness files included in patch.007 refer to the file 
changes.sept.90.  This file was inadvertantly left out of the patch, but is 
reproduced below for your information:


atk/ness/objects/changes.sept.90


The following changes to ness were released in September 1990.


A. Changes Visible to Users


1. Change CURRENTMODIFICATIONLEVEL to 4.  Nessrun will now display the version 
number "1.4".  (ness.ch)


2.  Added the function 

	launchApplication(marker, title, programname, enablecommands)

As described in nessfunc.doc, this function allows a program started with 

nessrun to open a window and display an application in it.  Event 

interceptions specified in the progam will be honored during interaction.

(nevent.c, call.c, nessfunc.d, nessauth.d, nessman.d)


3.  Implemented the event "becameVisible", which (after celv.c is fixed) will

enable an application started with launchApplication to initialize views

as they are displayed.  (nevent.c)


4.  If Ness loops for more than 7 seconds, a message is displayed mentioning 
control-G.  (interp.c)


5.  TellUser() now calls im_ForceUpdate so that messages are immediately 

displayed to the user.  (nevent.c)



B.  Documentation Modifications


The modified files are all in atk/ness/doc and get installed in 

$\{ANDREWDIR\}/doc/atk/ness.


1.  Removed subsection 5.2 on framecommands for launching applications and

renumbered subsections.  (nessfunc.d)


2.  Added description of the play module for playing notes on the RT.

(nessfunc.d)


3.  Added documentation of date.n.  (nessfunc.d)


4.  Described the -f switch.  (nessuser.d)


5.  Added descriptions of concatenation, seaarch, and replace.  (nesstut.d)


6.  Added happybday.d.  (nesstut.d)


7.  Added description of $Ness 1.  (nessman.d)



C.  Demonstration Software Modifications


The sources for these demos are in atk/ness/demos and get installed in 

$\{ANDREWDIR\}/lib/ness/demos.


1.  Added a new demo for launchApplication.  It is started with the command

	nessrun -f /usr/andrew/lib/ness/demos/happybday.n

(happybday.n)


2.  Extended function main so when executed it clears the text of 

Jingle Bells.  (xmas.d)


3.  An old demo which shows how ness can do shell functions was converted to 

the new search conventions.  (badsub.n)


4.  The bank letter demo was given an entirely new screen image and the code

was updated by removing semi-colons and putting commas in declarations.  

(bank.d)



D.  Improved Error Processing


1.  Installed tests of the return values from im_create and frame_New

so memory exhaustion or other frame creation failure will not crash ness. 
 (ness.c)


2.  Repaired library processing so core will no longer be dumped if a Ness 

program calls a function like rest_X() where rest is an internal function 

and there is no library named rest.  (call.c)


3.  Produce a reasonable error message for recursive compilation.  (ness.c)


4.  If an error is detected during execution, the stack is--as always--popped.

In some circumstances this popping could cause a core dump, so setjmp is now 

used to detect and handle such errors.  (interp.c)


5.  The stack pointer NSP is stored after every push or pop so

there is less likelihood of an error while popping the stack.  

(interp.c, real.c, search.c, call.c nevent.c)


6.  The instruction location is saved on every cycle so the location of errors

can be reported precisely when there are BUS or SEGV faults.  (interp.c)



E.  Bugs Corrected


1.  Fixed value_SetString and value_SetArrayElt so they do not crash when

their first argument is NULL.  (nevent.c)


2.  When a Ness object value is passed to a C function, an effort is made to 

find the correct object type as required by the function.  For instance, if 

the Ness object is a scroll and the function requires a textview, the child of

the scroll is checked to see if it is a textview.  The set of such container 

objects has now been extended to include frame and buffer.  (nevent.c)


3.  There was a bug wherein a local symbol referenced immediately after its 

declaration was treated as a global symbol.  The grammar has now been 

rearranged to treat the symbol correctly.  (nesscomp.gra)



F. Internal Improvements


(These changes will only be visible to users as faster execution or improved 

maintainability.)


1.  Added the CLASS macro to text a value to see if it is of a given class.

(envt.h)


2.  Decreased startup time by removing global variables and initializations

of arbiterviewClass, matteClass, and scrollClass  (interp.c)


3.  Use CLASS for references to arbiterviewClass, matteClass, and scrollClass

since these are no longer global.  (nevent.c)


4.  The routine ProperPtr which checks to see if a container object has the 

desired contents was simplified and regularized so it handles more containers

and is easier to extend.  (nevent.c)


5.  BUG 1334 was corrected by saving the error message in a global variable 
instead of passing it as a return value through longjmp.  (interp.c)


6.  Removed some XXX comments which suggested problems that no longer exist.

(interp.c, nevent.c)




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As far as the kernel trap problem goes, a core image from it is on its way to 
the Sun PAL. I should hear from him tomorrow. 


After much experimentation I have come to the conclusion that there is a 
definite correlation between an error message that gets displayed in the 
console and the subsequent coredump. The error message is something like the 
following:


<messages>X error BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) (2) 
major code 51 minor code 0 ignored [From host mtgzflw1]  ( 5:08:46 PM )


The Andrew application crashes soon after producing this message. The actual 
point where it crashes is quite inoccuous as mentioned earlier. That would 
seem to indicate that something is trashing a pointer or two somewhere.


Has anyone seen this error message come out of Andrew? Where is it coming 
from? Andrew? or the X server?


The X server that we are using is MIT X V11R4.


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operation) (2) major code 51 minor code 0 ignored [From host mtgzflw1]  ( 
5:08:46 PM )

}
\quotation{Has anyone seen this error message come out of Andrew? Where is it 
coming from? Andrew? or the X server?

}
This message is from the Xlib, called from ATK in either (guessing) \bold{xim} 
or \bold{xfont}; it indicates a problem with a call to \italic{SetFontPath} 
(code 51).  Andrew has a bit of cleverness built in so that it adds the 
directory containing the Andrew fonts to your font path in the X server if it 
is not already there.  Of course, this breaks occasionally, as when you run 
several different servers with different font binary formats, but it's usually 
OK.


The only two integers in this call are the length of the request (computed 
automatically by Xlib), and the number of directory strings in the request. 
 I'd imagine that the number of strings is either negative, or very large 
(zero seems to be a valid value).  You can find out by running the program 
xscope between the ATK program and the xserver, and watching for the 
\italic{SetFontPath} call.


Bill

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Ok, I've tracked down my problem with CLASS such as:
   CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/a is not readable
on my RS/6000 running AIX 3.1 with the July updates for AIX,
Andrew PL 7.

Seems there's a(nother) bug in the AIX optimizer.  The smallest chunk of
code I could get to give the error is about 20 lines.  It's in
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So, for now, class.c has to be compiled w/o -O.

Now to call IBM and have them fix it...

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Subject: One step closer to plumber for PS/2 AIX.

I  am getting random core dumps of ez on the PS/2.
Sometimes it happens when I ^X2
Most times when I us compose character.

It always seems to choke and die inside malloc.
Since PS/2 dbx core dumps when you trace malloc, (I hope that the PS/2
and dbx people are properly and publicly embarrassed for their inability
to come together and get a good debugger up for the PS/2...) I have been
trying to find other ways to solve this problem.

I got nasty and did ar d /lib/libc.a calloc.o malloc.o

Then when I linked with plumber I found the following undefined symbols:

%_Djyj.Q
%_Sjyj.Q
%_DJCp2R
%_SJCp2R

The first two are defined in calloc.o, and the second two in malloc.o 
Since these important symbols are not defined anywhere else, they force
load malloc.o and calloc.o from libc.a

These 4 symbols are asked for in globals.o.

Can someone help me determine if:

a. these are important symbols that have important value that must be
duplicated.  (Much like the realloc_srchlen dummy variable is that
appears in malloc.ci.)

b. these can be removed from the list of globals.

c. there is some correctable problem with the routine that generates the
list of globals so that these 4 symbols can be automagically eradicated.

-wdc
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I extracted calloc.o from libc.a and ran the 'dis' program on it.  This
helpful utility either provides assembly language disassembly of a .o
file or hangs in an infinite loop.  This time, it gave me a recognizable
.s file for calloc.o

Look at the two symbols:  %_Djyj.Q and%_Sjyj.Q as they appear in my calloc.s:


%_Djyj.Q:
        .long     %_Sjyj.Q
%_Sjyj.Q:
        .byte     0x40        /'@'
        .byte     0x28        /'('
        .byte     0x23        /'#'
        .byte     0x29        /')'
        .byte     0x63        /'c'
        .byte     0x61        /'a'
        .byte     0x6c        /'l'
        .byte     0x6c        /'l'
        .byte     0x6f        /'o'
        .byte     0x63        /'c'
        .byte     0x2e        /'.'
        .byte     0x63        /'c'
        .byte     0x9
        .byte     0x31        /'1'
        .byte     0x2e        /'.'
        .byte     0x31        /'1'
        .byte     0x30        /'0'
        .byte     0x9
        .byte     0x41        /'A'
        .byte     0x49        /'I'
        .byte     0x58        /'X'
        .byte     0x0
        .byte     0x0
        .byte     0x0

It's an identifier string generated by either the C compiler, the
loader, or the library archive program.

How nice.
And it's global so anyone can find it.
And it's global so getlist.awk wants it.
I wonder how the symbol name was generated...

Does anyone have a suggestion how we might modify getlist.awk to
carefully discard such symbols so that we don't force loading of
routines we're overriding?

-wdc

"If you could push this button and your wife (every PS/2) would
dissappear, would you do it?"

-Jack Lemon (with my amendment)
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\quotation{I  am getting random core dumps of ez on the PS/2.

}\quotation{Sometimes it happens when I ^X2

}\quotation{Most times when I us compose character.

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\quotation{It always seems to choke and die inside malloc.

}

Hmmm.... Very interesting. That is exactly one of the various places that ez 
dies on the SunOS 4.1 Sparcstation! Now that you mention it, many (but not 
all) of the other places where it dies could possibly be in malloc too.


Thanks for the info.

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Sometime during the summer I brought up the problem with ez silently 
transforming symbolic links into real files. 


A long discussion took place, but apparently, nothing happened. Since  I've 
been bitten again I'd like to bring up the subject. 

I've applied patch 6 and 7 but still have problems.


Has there been any development on the subject that I've missed?  Is the 
subject dropped or will something be done.


I guess more people are having problems.


Chris.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 2-Oct-90 One step closer to 
plumber .. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (1234)}


\quotation{I  am getting random core dumps of ez on the PS/2.

}\quotation{Sometimes it happens when I ^X2

}\quotation{Most times when I us compose character.

}
\quotation{It always seems to choke and die inside malloc.

}

Hmmm.... Very interesting. That is exactly one of the various places that ez 
dies on the SunOS 4.1 Sparcstation! Now that you mention it, many (but not 
all) of the other places where it dies could possibly be in malloc too.


Thanks for the info.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 1-Oct-90 AIX 3.1 build 
problem James Nau@engrs.unl.edu (528)}


\quotation{Seems there's a(nother) bug in the AIX optimizer.  The smallest 
chunk of

}\quotation{code I could get to give the error is about 20 lines.  It's in

}\quotation{./overhead/class/class.c, function: class_ProcessClassPath().

}\quotation{So, for now, class.c has to be compiled w/o -O.

}
\quotation{Now to call IBM and have them fix it...

}

Better hold off on that call to IBM.  There is a bug in the code that 
processes the CLASSPATH environment variable.  It does pointer comparisons 
between data that are not in the same array.  That is a no no. 
 [\smaller{Namely, it decrements a char * pointer off of the beginning of the 
CLASSPATH string and then does a comparison with that pointer and a pointer to 
the head of that string.}]


Thanks for the helpful hint on the optimization, James.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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     We're building andrew, patch level 7, on an IBM RT
running the UNIX 4.3 BSD operating system.  The build
crashes when attempting to make atk/apt/suite/suiteta:

hc -c -I.   -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11
  suiteta.c

E "suiteta.c",L48/C19:   Must be a compile- or load-time computable expression.
E "suiteta.c",L58/C19:   Must be a compile- or load-time computable expression.
E "suiteta.c",L69/C19:   Must be a compile- or load-time computable expression.
. 
.
.

     Could anybody help with this problem?

     Thank you,


Bob Dew						
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda, MD  20892
(301) 496-5361
rdew@alw.nih.gov
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We have decided to make an inset that is similar to the org inset and chose to use the org inset as a template. There is a problem connected with this, though.
SetFileName() and FileName() are not declared in the org source. 
Where are they defined? 

Roar Brevik and Martina Zankl
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Bob Dew@apple.com (666)}


\quotation{     We're building andrew, patch level 7, on an IBM RT

}\quotation{running the UNIX 4.3 BSD operating system.  The build

}\quotation{crashes when attempting to make atk/apt/suite/suiteta:

}
\quotation{hc -c -I.   -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include 
-I//usr/include/X11

}\quotation{  suiteta.c

}
\quotation{E "suiteta.c",L48/C19:   Must be a compile- or load-time computable 
expression.

}

This is an old version of hc.  There is a newer version which does not exhibit 
this problem.  Susan Straub here at the ITC is dealing with this very problem 
and may be able to give you the information that you need.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Are there anybody out there who know where I can ftp the Embedded Lisp
Interpreter or email the author Bob Glickstein ?

hejsel@iesd.auc.dk

--
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I have built Andrew, patch level 7 on Ultrix 4.0 running X11R4 and ez, messages, bush, etc, seem to work except I could not build zip and related
programs.  Here is a typical error message:

/usr/andrew/bin/makedo  -d /usr/andrew/lib -b /usr/andrew/bin -o zipoarc.do zipoarc.o    -lm
doindex: indexing zipoarc.do ...doload:  doload: Unexpected non-zero section named .lit8 encountered.
doindex: NULL entrypoint from zipoarc.do...program terminated!
*** Error code 1

Also, I wanted to generate the Andrew fonts for DEC's server for our other
users and DEC's bdftopcf program complained about some DWIDTH X and Y not
being zero.

-- 
Angel Li
University of Miami/RSMAS Remote Sensing Group

Internet: angel@flipper.miami.edu			UUCP: ncar!umigw!angel
"Every time you think it weakens the nation."
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Lisp

Interpreter or email the author Bob Glickstein ?}


bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu


\quotation{hejsel@iesd.auc.dk}


JR

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Gary Keim (663+0)}


\quotation{This is an old version of hc.

}
We had the same problem when using hc1.4r as it came off the Dec. 88 AOS tape. 
 We installed hc2.1y, the most current release, and things compiled fine.  


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I'm having a small problem getting the menus for a view object I'm

writing to look the way I want.


My view is a subclass of aptv.   On the front-most menu card, I'm getting

"Save", "Switch File" and "Delete Window" menu selections from a parent

view.  I would like to move "Save" and "Switch File" to the "File" card and 
"Delete Window" to the "Window" card (the front menu card is getting too 
crowded).

I would also like to remove selections like  "Preview" from the "File" card as 


they don't make sense in my context.


I'm using the "bind" interface to menus and I don't see any clear way to do 
it.

I'm sure someone else out there has had this problem?


Thanks very much,


Bill Schell

AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ

bill@allegra.att.com

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Hmm... sounds familiar to me.
I tried to install Andrew PL7 on SS1+ sunos4.1 if I tried to compile
andrew with RESOLVER_ENV defined, I couldn't build the system (if
RESOLVLIB is empty, then some symbols aren't defined, if RESOLVLIB =
/usr/lib/resolvlib.a then dofix fails in atkams/messages/lib...).
So I tried to install andrew with RESOLVER_ENV undefined: building was
succesfull except in atk/ness/doc where I got a core dump. But when I
started testing the new release, some applications won't work (e.g.
messages, vui, cui, ness, console and maybe some others) ez worked fine
with some insets I tried (clock, zip, raster).
I even tried to build the system with RESOLVER_ENV undefined and with
CDEBUGFLAGS=-g but with the same result.

Can someone HELP me please ???????????????? (or have I to abandon andrew ?)

Thanx




P. Verhaeghe
University of Antwerp, RUCA
Algebra / Geometry
Groenenborgerlaan 171
B-2020 Antwerpen, Belgium

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There is a bug with Ness on Suns due to yacc differences among platforms.  


Keep the resolver turned on.


Remove references to RESOLVLIB in:

	andrew/atk/help/src/Imakefile

	andrew/atk/console/cmd/Imakefile

	andrew/atkams/messages/lib/Imakefile


Add these lines to you andrew/config/site.mcr file:

        CDEBUGFLAGS = -g -Bstatic

        MAKEDOFLAGS = -g -d $\{BASEDIR\}/lib -b $\{BASEDIR\}/bin


Go to the root of the Andrew sources and rebuild.


% imake -I. -I./config -Timake.tmpl -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=.

% make World


If anyone can tell me if the -Bstatic compiler flag is necessary, and why, I'd 
be very appreciative.


Gary Keim

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> [...some lines deleted] 
> If anyone can tell me if the -Bstatic compiler flag is necessary, and
> why, I'd be very appreciative.

From the manual:

     -Bbinding Specify whether bindings of libraries for  linking
               are   static   or   dynamic,   indicating  whether
               libraries are non-shared or shared, respectively.

As Andrew uses its own dynamic loading you'll get into great trouble if
another dynamic loader gets in your way.

- Hans

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 2-Oct-90 How do one customize an org.. 
Martina Zankl@bloom-beac (282)}


\quotation{We have decided to make an inset that is similar to the org inset 
and chose to use the org inset as a template. There is a problem connected 
with this, though.

}\quotation{SetFileName() and FileName() are not declared in the org source. 

}\quotation{Where are they defined? 

}
Had me stumped for awhile there.  The module orga.c calls org_SetFileName() & 
org_FileName().  Where are they defined?  No where!  Why not? Because the 
module orga.c is not used anymore.  Feel free to remove orga.\{c,ch\} from 
your sources.  Org can be embedded in a text or table and buffer can call 
orgv_GetApplicationlayer to turn ez into an org application.  There is no 
stand-alone org inset.


Mystery solved.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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\quotation{Does anyone have a suggestion how we might modify getlist.awk to

}\quotation{carefully discard such symbols so that we don't force loading of

}\quotation{routines we're overriding?

}
The original message is a great piece of work, finally getting to the heart of 
the problem.  


The solution, it seems to me, is that the set of modules processed by 
getlist.awk should include the itc malloc and exclude the system malloc.  If 
such an approach is made to work, we'll release it in a forthcoming patch.


Fred Hansen

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Still no luck trying to.. J Mukerji@mtgzx.att.com (1627+0)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{The stuff in atk/ness/doc failed to build because 
nessrun coredumped in PL7 and for a slightly different reason in PL6. So I 
temporarily hacked the Imakefile in atk/ness to avoid building atk/ness/doc at 
all. The rest built and installed fine. But then the fun began.

}}
\quotation{\quotation{(1) First, when I tried to crank up runapp it crashed, 

}}
\quotation{This is not too surprising because nessrun now uses runapp, so if 
runapp is going to die, so will nessrun.  This is not a bug in ness (as far as 
I can see) but a reflection of the fact that ness/doc is the first time in the 
build process where runapp actually gets executed.

}
\quotation{Fred Hansen

}
Although a true statement, my comment is sort of silly.  The real problem 
turns out to be that /usr/lib/yaccpar differs on different machines so the 
state saving code in Ness cannot do recursive compilations.  A recursive 
compilation is required in present.n, the ness program that is run as part of 
the build process.


One workaround is to install the Ness documents without processing them.


Another workaround is to comment out two lines in present.n so they become:


--	printline("sorting index")

--	index := sort_records_per_flags("", base(index), "fd")


I'll be working on a fix to the yaccpar problem and will release it in a 
forthcoming patch.


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\quotation{Another workaround is to comment out two lines in present.n so they 
become:

}
\quotation{--	printline("sorting index")

}\quotation{--	index := sort_records_per_flags("", base(index), "fd")

}
Nope.  The truth is Ness will not compile at all on these platforms until I 
fix the problem.  Sigh.


Fred Hansen\
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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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The reason why "typescript" and "tm" fail under 4.1 is, in a word:

POSIX.

From IEEE Standard 1003.1:

	2.3 General Terms.  The following are definitions of terms
	peculiar to this standard:

	...

	controlling process.  The session leader that established the
	connection to the controlling terminal. ...

	...

	3.2 Process Termination.  There are two kinds of process
	  termination:

	   (1) "Normal termination" occurs by a return from "main()" or
	   when requested with the "exit()" or "_exit()" functions.

	...

	  ... Both "exit()" and "abort()" shall terminate a process wiht
	the consequences specified in "_exit()" section 3.2.2 ...

	3.2.2  Terminate a Process.

     Function: _exit()

	3.2.2.2 Description.  The "_exit()" function shall terminate the
     calling process with the following consequences:

	...

       (6) If the process is a controlling process, the SIGHUP signal
       shall be sent to each process in the foreground process group of
       the controlling terminal belonging to the calling process.

	...

	7.1.1.3 The Controlling Terminal.

	...

	  When a controlling process terminates, the controlling
	terminal is disassociated from the current session, allowing it
	to be acquired by a new session leader.  Subsequent access to
	the terminal by other processes in the earlier session may be
	denied, with attempts to access the terminal treated as if modem
	disconnect had been sensed.

And from "atk/typescript/tscript.c"

	#if SY_AIX221 || SY_AIX12
	    if (! GetPtyandName(&masterChannel, &ptyChannel,ptyname,MAXPATHLEN))  {
	#else /*if SY_AIX221 */
	    if (! GetPty(&masterChannel, &ptyChannel))  {
	#endif /*if SY_AIX221 */
		printf ("Can't connect subchannel\n");
		return FALSE;
	    }

	...

	    if ((pid = osi_vfork ()) < 0) {
		printf ("Fork failed\n");
		return FALSE;
	    }
	    if (pid == 0) {
		...
		execvp (tp->progname, arglist);
		...
	    }

Before the GetPty or GetPtyandName is executed, "typescript" has
arranged that it will be a session leader (at least in SunOS 4.1, and
possibly in other POSIX-conforming systems as well); see the
"Disassociate thie process from its controling(sic) tty" comment, which
states that this "Must be done after opening the childs pty because that
will become the controlling tty if we don't have one.", except that it's
done *before* opening the child's pseudo-tty, not *after*.

"GetPty" and "GetPtyandName" will search for a free pseudo-tty by
opening all the pseudo-tty masters; if it finds one that it can open, it
also tries to open the slave.  Since this open does *not* use the POSIX
O_NOCTTY flag, on many UNIX systems (SunOS 4.1 among them), this means
that if the process doing the "GetPty*" call is a session leader, it
becomes a controlling process and the pseudo-tty becomes that session's
controlling terminal.

Now, this doesn't cause immediate problems for, say, "xterm" (it may
cause some problems, but to first order it works).  That's because
"xterm" doesn't try to help the user out by forking itself off.  Andrew
applications, however, *do* fork themselves off, and in particular
"typescript" and "tm" do so *after* they've become a controlling
process.  The parent - i.e., the controlling process - exits, which
causes all the consequences described above; SIGHUPs and possibly denial
of access to the pseudo-tty slave by processes in the session, including
the shell.

The promised workaround is "use the '-d' flag to {typescript,tm}" and
run the {typescript,tm} in the background yourself, e.g. 'typescript&'."
That seemed to work OK when I tried it.

If you don't care whether Andrew builds on systems not having O_NOCTTY,
you can modify "GetPty*" to open the slave pty with O_NOCTTY, and modify
"typescript" and "tm" to do what the comment mentioned above says it
should, namely open the pseudo-tty for real (i.e., without O_NOCTTY) in
the child process (i.e., the one that runs the shell); this may fix the
problem (at least on *some* POSIX-conforming systems; others, including
I think 4.4BSD, will *never* give you a controlling terminal merely as a
result of opening a terminal, you have to issue an explicit "ioctl" to
get a controlling tty - this is what UNIX should have done when
controlling ttys first showed up, but, well, ...).

I haven't spent much time trying to come up with a scheme that lets you,
for example, build Andrew under SunOS 4.0[.x] and have the resulting
Andrew work under 4.0[.x] and 4.1.  I'm still looking forward to the day
when the last non-POSIX-compliant UNIX system is plowed under, along
with the millions of #ifdefs that lack of a standard such as POSIX made
necessary....
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Has anyone done an AMDS compatible "inc" program for MH yet?

I'd like to be able to use MH, rather than any of the andrew mail agents
for reading my mail,  but I like the ability to have my mail stored in
my AFS home directory.

While I haven't looked at things closely,  I assume that a few line
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into inc to preserve locking).

Ideas?

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from software: 3-Oct-90 Re: Still no luck trying
to.. Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (649)}


\quotation{There is a bug with Ness on Suns due to yacc differences among
platforms.

}
\quotation{Keep the resolver turned on.

}
\quotation{Remove references to RESOLVLIB in:

}\quotation{    andrew/atk/help/src/Imakefile

}\quotation{    andrew/atk/console/cmd/Imakefile

}\quotation{    andrew/atkams/messages/lib/Imakefile

}
\quotation{Add these lines to you andrew/config/site.mcr file:

}\quotation{        CDEBUGFLAGS = -g -Bstatic

}\quotation{        MAKEDOFLAGS = -g -d $\{BASEDIR\}/lib -b $\{BASEDIR\}/bin

}
\quotation{Go to the root of the Andrew sources and rebuild.

}
\quotation{% imake -I. -I./config -Timake.tmpl -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=.

}\quotation{% make World

}
I did this, first with \bold{RESOLVLIB empty }but then this happens:


\display{cc -c -I. -I/usr/andrew/include/ams -g -Bstatic
-I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   stubs.c

/usr/andrew/bin/makedo -g -d /usr/andrew/lib -b /usr/andrew/bin -o amsn.do
 amsn.o stubs.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /usr/andrew/lib/libcuin.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a
/usr/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a

dofix:  Undefined:  _res_search

dofix:  Undefined:  _dn_skipname

dofix:  Undefined:  _dn_skipname

dofix:  Undefined:  _dn_expand

....

doload:  Errors while processing

doindex: indexing amsn.do ...doload:  Undefined symbol: _res_search

doload:  Undefined symbol: _dn_skipname

doload:  Undefined symbol: _dn_expand

doload:  Undefined symbol: __res

doload:  Undefined symbol: _res_init

doload:  Errors while processing

doindex: NULL entrypoint from amsn.do...program terminated!

*** Error code 1

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `amsn.do'

Current working directory
/home/share/src/X11R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atkams/messages/lib

}
next I defined \bold{RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a} but...


\display{cc -c -I. -I/usr/andrew/include/ams -g -Bstatic
-I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   stubs.c

/usr/andrew/bin/makedo -g -d /usr/andrew/lib -b /usr/andrew/bin -o amsn.do
 amsn.o stubs.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /usr/andrew/lib/libcuin.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a
/usr/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a /usr/lib/libresolv.a

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (send.o = 675216, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (send.o = 675216, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (send.o = 675216, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (send.o = 675216, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_MS_PrefetchMessage = 202968, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_MS_PrefetchMessage = 202968, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_amsn__CUI_RewriteHeaderLine = 3028, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_MS_GetSearchPathEntry = 107312, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_MS_PrefetchMessage = 202968, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_MS_PrefetchMessage = 202968, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_amsn__CUI_RewriteHeaderLine = 3028, type 4)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (/usr/lib/libresolv.a.L309 = 827966, type 6)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (/usr/lib/libresolv.a.L309 = 827966, type 6)

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_MS_PrefetchMessage = 202968, type 4)

...

dofix:  Relocatable symbol value (_eliyybgin = 792892, type 6)

doload:  Errors while processing

doindex: indexing amsn.do ...Segmentation fault (core dumped)

*** Error code 11

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `amsn.do'

Current working directory
/home/share/src/X11R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atkams/messages/lib



}but then I tried to \bold{undefine RESOLVER_ENV} and \bold{RESOLVLIB
empty}...


\display{cc -g -Bstatic -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include
-I//usr/include/X11   -o cuin  cui.o cuifns.o unixmach.o morprntf.o
 /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /usr/andrew/lib/libcuin.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a
/usr/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a
/usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a

Undefined

_dn_expand

_res_init

__res

_dn_skipname

_res_search

/lib/libc.a(stricmp.o): _strnicmp: multiply defined

*** Error code 2

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `cuin'

Current working directory
/home/share/src/X11R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclients/cui


}Please can someone give me another hint? (configuration: SS1+ sunos4.1
X11R4PL14 andrewPL7)


Thanks





P. Verhaeghe

University of Antwerp, RUCA

Algebra / Geometry

Groenenborgerlaan 171

B-2020 Antwerpen, Belgium



Tel: +32 3 2180308

Fax: +32 3 2180217

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Fred Hansen's succinct statement is correct:


\quotation{we start from the given list L of entry points and add to the list 
any entry points that are loaded because of loading items already in L.

}
To amplify, L is the list of library entry points called from within runapp. 
 If you include any entry point from a library module L, then you should 
include all other entry points from that module and all entry points from 
other modules the first one calls, etc.  Transitive closure means tracking 
through the chain of calls.  All the modules found get loaded in runapp; all 
other modules are placed in libcx.a to be loaded with individual .do files as 
needed.


Since the detailed contents of library modules vary from platform to platform, 
the transitive closure process must be automated.  The geteplist awk script 
generates a table of entry points in the transitive closure of L so that the 
dynamic loader can bind them to to references in .do files.


John Howard

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> Although a true statement, my comment is sort of silly.  The real
> problem turns out to be that /usr/lib/yaccpar differs on different
> machines so the state saving code in Ness cannot do recursive
> compilations.  A recursive compilation is required in present.n, the
> ness program that is run as part of the build process.

I ran into the problem of yacc not generating reentrant parsers when
fixing several recursive parsing problems with bash (the Gnu Bourne-Again
SHell).

This is a generic problem with the version of yacc present in the System V.3
release.  Vendors that have simply picked up this version of yacc, like Sun
for SunOS 4.x, have the same problem.  Some vendors, HP for instance, have
fixed their versions and made yacc reentrant once again.  4.2 BSD and 4.3 BSD
yaccs do not have this problem.  Bison does not have this problem.  I haven't
yet checked out byacc (I use Bison), but it may well allow recursive parses
too.

Chet Ramey

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I would be happy to collaborate on such a program (``inc'' lookalike for 
AMDS).  I would also be happy to collaborate on a more general-purpose program 
that takes mail from ~/Mailbox/* and puts it into /usr/spool/mail/<userid> 
(/usr/mail/<userid>).  If any vanilla-Unix-mail wizards want to help, that's 
great.  The kind of help I would need is to know the detailed semantics for 
what ``inc'' should produce, or for that matter for how a program like 
/bin/mail goes about appending stuff to /usr/spool/mail/userid.  Of course, my 
concern is that there's lots of customization that people have applied to 


The shell-script approach to amds-inc might be straightforward, but unless 
you're careful it might screw up.  If the underlying moves are done with 
``mv'' to locations in the same AFS volume, then you're probably safe from 
outages; the Mailbox file won't get lost, but will either be moved or stay 
where it was.


If you're concerned with MH locking, you'd probably have to write a program. 
 A shell script would probably work OK in a single-user context, where you're 
either running native MH inc or your new amds-inc.


Takers?  Helpers?


		Craig

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luck trying to.. pive%BANRUC01.BITNET@vma (4797+0)}


\quotation{but then I tried to \bold{undefine RESOLVER_ENV} and 
\bold{RESOLVLIB empty}...

}
\display{\quotation{cc -g -Bstatic -I/usr/andrew/include/atk 
-I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   -o cuin  cui.o cuifns.o unixmach.o 
morprntf.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /usr/andrew/lib/libcuin.a 
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a 
 /usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a 
/usr/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a 
/usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a

}\quotation{Undefined

}\quotation{_dn_expand

}\quotation{_res_init

}\quotation{__res

}\quotation{_dn_skipname

}\quotation{_res_search

}\quotation{/lib/libc.a(stricmp.o): _strnicmp: multiply defined

}\quotation{*** Error code 2

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `cuin'

}\quotation{Current working directory 
/home/share/src/X11R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclients/cui

}}
If you want to turn off these resolver references, you'll have to rebuild 
libmail.a, which you can do by recompiling andrew/overhead/mail/lib.  The 
references to res_init(), dn_expand(), _res, dn_skipname(), and res_search() 
come from the file andrew/overhead/mail/lib/valhost.c.


I don't know how this affects Gary's advice to ``Keep the resolver turned on'' 
but the point of information can't hurt.


		Craig

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Hello,


The idea of removing the system malloc routines and replacing them with the 
ITC malloc routines sounds like one way to attack this problem.  I don't think 
it is a general solution as there are bound to be other such symbols lurking 
about in libc.a, libcrt0, etc.


If you want to try this there are a few things you should know.


1)  Check the configuration files to make sure that the ITC malloc is being 
constructed on your system.

2)  If malloc wasn't being constructed find out why.  (i.e. does it work?)

3)  This is probably just a temporary patch until another weird symbol bites 
you.


When I started the RT/AIX 2.2.1 port I found that the PL.8 based compiler used 
to construct many of the libc modules inserted a number of strange symbols. 
 (Yes, IBM used a compiler with better optimization for it's interal work.) 
 Unless the construction of libcx for class has changed in the last year you 
should be able to see where a bunch of symbols are discarded in the RT/AIX 
version.  If you can find out who is generating the offending symbols you 
should be able to attack the problem at the source with a similar script.



Best of Luck,


Paul





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\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
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attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
I rebuilt Andrew PL7 on a Sparcstation 1+ SunOS 4.1 using -Bstatic flag and 
still continued to get the same coredumps from ez etc. So I started 
experimenting with removing preferences from my preferences file.


Experimentation shows that 90% of the coredumps (in effect all the coredumps 
that were tracable to have originated in frame.c) that I was getting are 
correlated with the presence of the line;


\example{ DialogPriority 30

}
in my  .preferences file. Removing that preference or setting DialogPriority 
to 99, causes the coredumps to go away. This suggests that the code that deals 
with the DialogPriority stuff is probably managing to write something at a 
memory location where it ought not to.


The most serious remaining coredump is from messages. Trace from gdb shows 
that it happens in the function MS_NameChangedMapFile() in file namechg.c, 
line 95, which reads:


\example{ SubsInPathOrder[i]->HasChanged = 0;

}
This probably suggests that someone somewhere has let loose a write along a 
wild pointer. Sendmessage works fine now. Vui still coredumps upon attempting 
to read mail. That dump happens in function BuildPrivateSubscriptionMap() in 
file bldpvmap.c line 55, which reads:


\example{for (subsindex = 0; subsindex<NumSubsInUse && 
SubsInPathOrder[subsindex]->pathelt != pathindex; ++subsindex) \{

	;

    \}

}
Anyone see any relationship between those two?


Unfortunately, the code that deals with setting up the display for low dialog 
priority settings looks so complex that I do not dare go poking in it to see 
what it is doing. 


I will try to take a closer look at what messages is upto.

\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

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I've finally gotten around to archiving all the info-andrew mail from the past 
few months,  and it's now available in the top level ftp directory 
(ia-archive) on emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.  Those of you who've been keeping 
personal copies around can get back some of that ferous oxide (sp?). 


I didn't do anything incredibly technical  ... just used messages to append 
all a file.  I've filed them by date, jan.90 - sep.90.  


Have a nice weekend,  and as we're saying here in Pittsburgh ...



\bigger{\bigger{\bigger{\bigger{\bold{\center{LET'S GO BUCS !!!}}}}}}


Susan 


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I would think that you could do this using menulist_ChainAfterML to
chain your menus together in the right order.    You create your own
bind structure entries with NULL values  as appropriate to override the
ones you're getting automatically.  

For an example of this -- albeit one that is embedded in a lot of other
stuff -- look at how the sendmessage window gets rid of some of the
extra style menus.  The source is in atkams/messages/lib/sendaux.c,
around line 541 you can see where things like "Enumerate" get overridden.

Hope that helps.  Good luck.  -- Nathaniel
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Subject: users confused by menterstr view

My users get confused when they first see an mentstrv object on the screen.
They look at the button at the bottom of the text window and think that it's
some sort of horizontal scrollbar, because there's no gray space around the 
top or bottom of the button.  If there was more space surrounding it, it
would look more like a button and less like a scrollbar.  Can this be
changed?

Thanks very much,

Bill Schell
AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ
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Subject: Re: CUI update command, and messages questions.


Excerpts from atk.ams: 27-Sep-90 Re: CUI update command, and.. Nathaniel
Borenstein@thu (1817+0)

> Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Sep-90 Re: CUI update command,
>> and.. MAG@ibm.com (2024)   Here is the problem. If I look at the folders
>> via messages, it thinks all the messages are unread (e.g. folderx (Mail;
>> 20 new of 20)), but all the messages have the check symbol next to them.
>>  I don't want the user to have to traverse these old messages in order
>> to bring the folder header up to date (Mail;0 new of 20).  Therefore, I
>> thought I could use the following command "cui update folderx ; skip 99;
>> next; quit" to bring the folder into sync.  Is this right, or is there
>> an easier method to translate MH to AMS?
>
>  if your script knows the number of messages in the folder (which it can
> find out pretty easily with something like NUMMSGS=`ls | wc`) you can
> probably do what you want with an ugly CUI command line like this one:
> cui set term 0 \; headers foldername \; set seenlast $NUMMSGS \; quit
> The trick here is that if you start out with "headers foldername", it
> will print all the captions out in order, and the last one will be
> numbered $NUMMSGS.  "set seenlast" can then do what you want.  Good
> luck!  -- Nathaniel
>
Well, I've tried the "seenlast" with no luck. There is even more weird
behavior; if the user reads all the messages and clicks on the folder
header, it displays "(Mail; 0 new of 5)", which is fine. But if he
clicks one more time on the folder header, it displays "(Mail; 2 new of
5)".  I have no idea what's going on.
Has anyone else encountered the same problems I am having?.  Could it be
that my AMS is setup with the following options in /AndrewSetup :

	ThisDomainAliases: watson.ibm.com, watson
	#
	#       AMS options for no AFS or AMSD
	#
	AMS_OnAIX:yes
	AMS_NonAMSDelivery:yes
	AMS_DefaultToAFSCellMail:no
	AMS_WSRunsQueuemail:no
	AMS_ThisDomainAuthFromWS:yes
	AMS_NonViceHost:yes
	DefaultMSPath:$MAIL
	AMS_MailBoxPrefix:/usr/mail
	MessagesAutoBugAddress:mag@prefect.watson.ibm.com
	#
	# For white pages to work under AFS but no AMSD
	ThisDomainWPDirectory:/afs/test.ibm.com/service/wp
	#
	# short file names for AIX on RT
	AMS_UseShortFileNames:yes
	#
	# Validate hostname validation
	AMS_ValidateDestHosts:no  	

I don't know what else to try.  Can someone explain how AMS sets flags
(read,unread, deleted) to messages and folders. Can I set them using
CUI?
Could there be a bug with the "reconstruct" command?. Can someone can
tell me which sources files are used?

Thanks
Marlon
IBM T.J. Watson Research
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 28-Sep-90 Re: Still no 
luck trying to.. J Mukerji@mtgzx.att.com (1627+0)}


\quotation{(1) First, when I tried to crank up runapp it crashed, I mean the 
whole darned workstation went south on a panic trap. I saved the core and am 
waiting for expert advice from our friendly Sun PAL. In my opinion nothing 
that a mere application does should cause the kernel to go south. this happens 
in about 50% of my attempts to start up an Andrew application out of my 
.xinitrc file, and about 25% of the time when starting an Andrew application 
from an xterm window. It never happens when starting an Andrew application 
from gdb.

}
I reported this problem to Sun and sent them a copy of the core from the 
crash. They have found a fix for this problem. I received the patch from them 
and installed it today, and now at least I can reliably use SunOS4.1 on my 
workstation!


A summary description of the bug in SunOS4.1 that was causing those crashes is 
included below:


\quotation{Keywords: 4.1, 4/110, flush_wind, trap, fault, data 

Synopsis: data fault trap in flush_windows on 4/110 running 4.1

Date: August 13, 1990  

SunOS release: 4.1

 

Unbundled Product:

 

Unbundled Release:

 

Topic:

 

BugId's fixed with this patch:  1029939


Architectures for which this patch is available: sun4 sun4c


Obsoleted by: 4.1.1


Problem Description:


On a fork, the child gets a copy of the parent's

process control block, which for the child will be invalid.

If it enters the kernel because of a register window overflow 

or underflow, the code will fault in a user stack page.

When the process is eventually resumed, the bad pcb causes

the panic.

}

Well, that is one down and a couple more to go.


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\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

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I was delighted that patch level 7 allowed me to build ATK on a pmax 
(finally).  Everything works--except console, which core-dumps within a minute 
of starting up.  That is, it generally displays everything, updates itself, 
then rolls over and dies, leaving a core dump.


Does this ring any bells with anybody?  If not, where should I start to look?


		Thanks,

		Craig

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Mine dies too, but not until something is printed to \italic{/dev/console}. 

When this happens, console usually dies, but not always. 

The problem existed under Ultrix 3 as well as in PL6.


Under Ultrix 4, I also get no statistics collected even if getstats is suid 
root. 


Chris.

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I compiled the Andrew-system from the X11R4-Tape. When I try to run
the "preview" program it states:

> window: Base frame not passed parent window in environment
> 
> Unable to create main Preview window.
>   Be sure you are directly logged into a workstation
>   and have invoked SunTools.

Since all the other programs connect correctly to the X-Server this is
kind of strange.

Is there a version of preview that uses X, or are there some special
compile-time switches ?


Thanks,...

Rainer Sinkwitz            | E-mail: sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch
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\quotation{I compiled the Andrew-system from the X11R4-Tape. When I try to run

}\quotation{the "preview" program it states:

}
\quotation{> window: Base frame not passed parent window in environment

}\quotation{> 

}\quotation{> Unable to create main Preview window.

}\quotation{>   Be sure you are directly logged into a workstation

}\quotation{>   and have invoked SunTools.

}

This does not sound like it is the Andrew application "preview" - but rather 
like some Sun (SunTools) application -- have you tried 'which preview' to 
determine exactly what program you are trying to run?


--fish

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I didn't think that "preview" worked at all under X11 -- at least, it
never has since I've been using Andrew under X11 on a SPARC.  Does
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I have not had problems running Andrew's preview under X.11 (on an
RT with a megapel display).
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Aha, the problem was in my AndrewSetup.  (If I'd known the preview
program was supposed to work, I would have looked for this sooner -- boy
do I feel stupid for living without it for a year!)  In case anyone else
is having a similar problem, my old AndrewSetup had the following lines:

*.formatcommand:  eqn  /tmp/%s.n | /usr/local/pkg/X11/andrew/bin/ditroff
-Tpsc -  |  /usr/local/bin/psdit |
*.printcommand:  lpr

In order to make previewing work, I just changed them to the following:

*.formatcommand:  eqn  /tmp/%s.n | /usr/local/pkg/X11/andrew/bin/ditroff
-Tpsc - |
*.printcommand: /usr/local/bin/psdit |  lpr

Thanks for waking me up on this one, Mark!
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Oct-90 moving menu items Bill 
Schell@allegra.temp (743+1)}


\quotation{My view is a subclass of aptv.   On the front-most menu card, I'm 
getting

}\quotation{"Save", "Switch File" and "Delete Window" menu selections from a 
parent

}\quotation{view.  I would like to move "Save" and "Switch File" to the "File" 
card and "Delete Window" to the "Window" card (the front menu card is getting 
too crowded).

}
Did you figure this out yet?  There are two steps: (1) override those items 
that you want removed or moved-to-other-cards, (2) create bind entries for 
those items to be moved-to-other-cards.  


\chapter{\section{The First Part}}


This is what Nathaniel was referring to in his message.  Just create bind 
entries for those items to be moved or removed that have the same, exact 
menu-string as the bind entries that you want to override. Provide NULL values 
for the other bind entry fields.


\section{The Second Part}


To create bind entries for those items that you want to move to other cards, 
you have to provide a routine that will be called when that item is chosen. 
 How do you do that when the item you're overriding is in another module. 
 Well,  first you have to load the class that you're overriding because to get 
a handle on the the original call-back routine you must make a \bold{proctable 
lookup}.  Let's have an example:  You want to move 'Save' to the 'File' menu 
card.  Let's call your aptv override foo.  In foo__InitializeClass you make a 
call to 


class_Load("frame");


because the 'Save' menu item comes from the frame class.  Here is the bind 
entry for 'Save' as it looks in andrew/atk/frame/framecmd.c:


\indent{\{"frame-save-file", "\\030\\023", 0,   "Save~20", 0, 
frame_BufferMenus, (void (*)()) frame_SaveFile, "Saves buffer into its current 
file."\},

}
You create a bind entry like this:


\indent{\{"foo-save-file", "\\030\\023", 0,   "File, Save~20", 0, 
frame_BufferMenus , (void (*)()) \bold{foo_SaveFile}, "Saves buffer into its 
current file."\},

}
The only missing piece is foo_SaveFile.  Where does that come from?  Well, 
this is why you load frame in foo_InitializeClass.  You must do a lookup of 
the proctable entry of the name frame-save-file.  Here's how:


static void foo_SaveFile();


\smaller{boolean

foo__InitializeClass( ClassID )

	struct classheader *ClassID;

\{

	struct proctable_Entry *saveProcEnt = NULL;


	class_Load("frame");

	if(saveProcEnt = proctable_Lookup("frame-save-file")) \{

		foo_SaveFile = proctable_GetFunction(saveProcEnt);

	\}

	else \{

		printf("foo: couldn't lookup proctable entry frame-save-file.\\n");

		return(FALSE);

	\}

	return(TRUE);

\}

}
How does that sound?  If you have any problems just send e-mail.


Gary Keim

ATK Group


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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 10-Oct-90 Re: bug ? : preview 
needs S.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (181)}


\quotation{I didn't think that "preview" worked at all under X11 -- at least, 
it

}\quotation{never has since I've been using Andrew under X11 on a SPARC.  Does

}\quotation{anyone out there actually have it working?

}

We use preview under MIT X11R4 on our Sparcstations running SunOS4.0.3 all the 
time. It seems to work just fine.


\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

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There is a small problem with my solution to the problem of moving menu items 
to different cards.  I directed that you get a handle on the original 
call-back routine via a proctable lookup, and then use that routine in the 
overriding bind entry.  This is incorrect because then that routine 
(foo_SaveFile, really frame_SaveFile) will be called with (struct foo *) as 
the first argument when it expects a (struct frame *).  So you must define 
your own routine to be used in the overriding bind entry, and in that routine 
you must get your frame pointer from self.  Then make the original call-back 
that you looked-up in foo_InitializeClass, with the proper argument. So, here 
is the real code:



static void frame_SaveFile(), foo_SaveFile();

static boolean FindMyFrame();

#define Parent(v) ((v)->header.view.parent)


static void

foo_SaveFile( self, rock )

struct foo *self;

long rock;

\{

	struct frame *frame = NULL;


	if(frame = frame_Enumerate(FindMyFrame,foo_GetIM(self)))

		frame_SaveFile(frame,rock);

	else

		printf("foo: could not find frame.\\n");

\}


static boolean

FindMyFrame( frame, im )

struct frame *frame;

long im;

\{

	return((struct view*) im == Parent(frame));

\}


static struct bind_Description fooBindings[]=\{


\{"foo-save-file", "\\030\\023", 0,   "File, Save~20", 0, frame_BufferMenus , 
(void (*)()) \bold{foo_SaveFile}, "Saves buffer into its current file."\},


\}


\smaller{boolean

foo__InitializeClass( ClassID )

	struct classheader *ClassID;

\{

	struct proctable_Entry *saveProcEnt = NULL;


	class_Load("frame");

	if(saveProcEnt = proctable_Lookup("frame-save-file")) \{

		\bold{frame_SaveFile} = proctable_GetFunction(saveProcEnt);

	\}

	else \{

		printf("foo: couldn't lookup proctable entry frame-save-file.\\n");

		return(FALSE);

	\}

	return(TRUE);

\}


}
Have Fun.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I'm considering switching over to ams for my mail reader.

Is there a way to automatically clean out mail messages older then a
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I currently do this using a program I've written which handles MH style
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What's a good way to do this for ams?  Is there an "already built" ams
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mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu (Dwight D. McKay) writes:
> Is there a way to automatically clean out mail messages older then a
> certain age from ams folders?

The cui 'epoch' command does this for entire trees of message folders.
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You can do this using the "epoch" command in the CUI interface.   If you
want to have it happen regularly and automatically, it is pretty easy to
write a cron or at job to do this -- that's how those of us who run
AMS-based bboard systems run purge jobs, and it will work equally well
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>As Andrew uses its own dynamic loading you'll get into great trouble if
>another dynamic loader gets in your way.

Gee, I've been able to run Andrew applications linked dynamically not
only against "libc" but against "libX11" as well.

The two dynamic loaders don't have to get in each other's way (although
a version of the "class" dynamic loader for 4.1 that uses "dlopen()",
"dlsym()", etc. would be useful - and would probably get you 99% or more
of the way towards one for System V Release 4, and obviate the need to
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I got curious about the Andrew Toolkit, so I decided to take a few hours to
install the stuff and test it to see what it could offer us.
I took the Andrew distribution from the X11R4 release tape and patched it to
PL 7 (plus the vui patch). The patch logs reported no errors.
I compiled and installed the default set of programs plus MK_BASIC_UTILS on
a root account on one of our SPARC servers (SUN4/390 named calc)
The cc compiler was used with the CDEGUBFLAGS set to -O2
No radical changes in the site.h and the site.mcr files
I defined DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV to /usr/share/lib/X11/Andrew
The compilation and installation run without any pain whatsoever.

Now, when I try to run ANY windowbased Andrew program I always get the 
following message:

 calc[~]>help -display wagner:0.0
 Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 15.1); please wait...
 No 'localhost' found in host table; creating new window.
 Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
 help: failed to create new window; exiting.

A look in the /etc/hosts file gives that it IS a 'localhost' defined.
Is it looking in some other file (on what machine) ??
Needless to say, I am running X and every other X program I use runs smoothly.

I have setenv ANDREWDIR /usr/share/lib/X11/Andrew
       setenv DISPLAY wagner:0.0 (This my SUN3/50 on the local net)
and $ANDREWDIR/bin is in my PATH.
SUNOS 4.0.3 Export ; X11R4 PL 18, MIT Xsun server.

Maybe this info is insufficient for anyone to give me the solution to this,
but ANY pointers are GREATLY appreciated.

Another thing, I really miss some info file containing instructions for
setting the Andrew system up, once it is installed. Is there such a file ?
Perhaps I haven't looked closely enough...

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Olof Damberg                       | email: oldam@math.liu.se
Dept of Math, Linkoping University | phone: +46 13 281473
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The Zayas and Everhart document entitled the Design and Specification of the
Cellular Andrew Environment (CMU-ITC-070) refers to a document on printing in
its list of references although no number for the paper is given. Can anybody
identify this document and tell me where I can obtain a copy please? I would
also be interested in anything anybody would like to say about printing in a
distributed enviroment, especially how it can be accounted. Many thanks. 
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Does anybody know of a way to find the cursor position from inside an
ATK application?  I would like to let the user enter information from
the keyboard, and do something, if the cursor is in the correct place on
the screen.

Another option, which might work better, is if I could get the current
cursor type.  This way, I could make the cursor different in the
rectangle where key input is allowed, then check the cursor type when
the user enters keyboard data.

I don't know of anyway to get either the cursor position or cursor type
from inside of ATK.  I assume there is a simple way to do this from X
but ATK hides this level.

Any ideas?

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\quotation{No radical changes in the site.h and the site.mcr files

}

What exactly are the changes.  Did you read this paragraph from andrew/README:


\indent{\bold{RESOLVLIB}	[Default: empty string] 

\bold{
}\indent{RESOLVLIB denotes the full path of the domain name resolver library. 
 It is used only if RESOLVER_ENV is defined, which it is unless your system.h 
or site.h file undefines it.  The default value (the empty string) is useful 
if the resolver code is in your libc.a.  If the resolver code is in a separate 
library, such as /usr/lib/libresolv.a, that name should be the definition for 
RESOLVLIB; define it in your site.mcr file.

}}
If you left RESOLVER_ENV defined, did you set RESOLVLIB to 
/usr/lib/libresolv.a?


If the answer to the above question is one of (1) you undefined RESOLVER_ENV 
in you site.h or (2) you left RESOLVER_ENV defined and properly set RESOLVLIB 
= /usr/lib/libresolv.a in your site.mcr, then there is one little experiment I 
would like you to carry out.  Do this:


% cd ....../andrew/atk/apps

% <edit the Imakefile to remove the instance of $\{RESOLVER_LIB\} from this 
line:


ProgramTarget(runapp, runapp.o statload.o, $\{ATKLIBS\} $\{OTHERLIBS\} 
$\{RESOLVER_LIB\}, $\{SYSLIBS\})


% make clean

% cd ..

% make Makefiles SUBDIRS=apps

% make dependInstall SUBDIRS=apps


Now try a remote application.  Please let me know what the answers are.


Thanks,

Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Subject: I think we need im_CreateTransient

For more than a year, I have been turning over in my mind possible
solutions to the problem: "ATK has limited, some say shitty, dialog box
support".

The fundamental limitation is that the dialogue boxes are drawn as an
overlay bitmap on an existing im window.  This means that it is hard to
assemble a dialogue box out of ATK views.

In fact, it is very hard to create a new im that would appear
geometrically (geographically?) on top of an existing ez window, because
the newly created im needs screen absolute coordinates, and the screen
absolute coordinates of pre-existing windows are unavailable to children
of the im.
For a long time I wondered if there was some way to "cut into" the
information stored about a window by the im, so that I could make a
dialogue box im.

But I think I have been inspired to a better solution than that.  The
real issue is that a dialogue box is a "pop-up on behalf of" another
top-level window as the (ugh) X consortium ICCCM would say.

It seems to me that the im should get a new call: im_CreateTransient(other);
This would permit creating a top level window whose position is relative
to the existing window (im actually) 'other'.

This new call does change the im interface, by adding a new call, but
does not expose the internal state, nor does it change any existing
interfaces.

Do people agree that this call should be added?

I've got a printer-setup dialogue box (and two other application
specific dialogue boxes) just waiting to use this call!  I'll even write
the change to im.c, and xim.c.

-wdc
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Yes this would be a useful addition to im.  It will probably raise a bunch of 
other issues that will have to be resolved but starting down that path will 
indeed help.


Andy

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Hi.  I'm having a bit of a problem accessing class information from new

menu items added to a celview.  Perhaps someone else knows the solution to the 
problem I'm seeing?


I've defined an object using ADEW (arb, createcon, etc).   It's an lset with

a stringV in the top part and and a text-panel combination in the bottom.

I've set the menulist for one of the subviews (the StringV) via:


testlistMenus = menulist_New();

bind_BindList(testlistBindings, NULL, testlistMenus, viewtype);


if ( (cv = celview_GetCelviewFromView(self->titleView)) != NULL) \{

        celview_SetMenulist(cv, testlistMenus);

        celview_Repost(cv);

\}


All OK so far.  The new menus show up when I hit the middle button. 
 (Curiously,

if I pick the panel view, they don't show up).  Now comes the problem.

When the routines connected to the menu items get called, they are called

with a celview pointer.   However, what I want to access from those

menu routines is the class data for the class I've defined with ADEW.

(called testlist in my case).  Can I get there from here?


Thanks very much,


Bill Schell

bill@allegra.att.com

AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ


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I'm sure that any reference to distributed printing was more hopeful than 
true; I bet that the reference was marked as ``In preparation'' or some such. 
 (Sorry!)  The reference was made in the context of the conventions for names 
under the /afs/CELLNAME/service directory, which included an 
/afs/CELLNAME/service/printing subdirectory.


CMU has some ways of managing (and accounting) printing, but I don't know what 
those are.  You might have better luck speaking with one of the Computing 
Systems employees, such as Brian Harrison <brie+@andrew.cmu.edu>; I think he 
was involved with the most recent campus printing work.


		Craig

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\typewriter{switch (a)

\{

case 'a':

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case 'b':

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\}


}I  added the the below line to my .ezinit as stated in the ctext.help.   


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My understanding is that this should get me the above indentation.  What I 
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the indentation for switch and case statements will not work period if 
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I tried looking at the code (ctext) where the indentation is done.  I had a 
tough time trying to understand it.   Thus I couldn't even  try to fix it.  Is 
there anyone out there who can help me out??

     


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We are implementing an extension of ez. There we created a second
window and show in this window a translation of the text in the first
window. Now we want to fetch the mouse click, so that we can scroll
in the second window to the correct place. In which class (we think
that it should be a ..._Hit method) and method will the cursor be set,
when the user clicks on a position in the text.

Can you please help us.

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We are implementing an extension of ez. There we created a second
window and show in this window a translation of the text in the first
window. Now we want to fetch the mouse click, so that we can scroll
in the second window to the correct place. In which class (we think
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when the user clicks on a position in the text.

Can you please help us.

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Bill Schell@allegra.temp (1140+1)}


\quotation{When the routines connected to the menu items get called, they are 
called

}\quotation{with a celview pointer.   However, what I want to access from 
those

}\quotation{menu routines is the class data for the class I've defined with 
ADEW.

}\quotation{(called testlist in my case).  Can I get there from here?

}

The static FindSelf() routine, created by createcon and included in your 
testlist object, can be used by your menu routine. When passed a pointer to 
any view in the application,  FindSelf() will return a pointer to the relevant 
testlist object.


	

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Excerpts from misc: 16-Oct-90 Fetching mouse click Hans
Kleist-Retzow@trium (677)

> In which class (we think
> that it should be a ..._Hit method) and method will the cursor be set,
> when the user clicks on a position in the text.

I'm not exactly sure what you asking.

If you're asking, "Where in the text object does the cursor position get
set when a user clicks on some text?",  the answer is
textv.c:textview__Hit().  There is some code at the top of that method
that sets the cursor:

	if (action == view_LeftDown)  {
	    mark_SetPos(self->dot, newLeftPos);
	    mark_SetLength(self->dot, newRightPos - newLeftPos);

If you're asking, "After a hit in some text, how can we get the current
cursor {location,length}?,  the answer is:

	textview_GetDotPosition(textv);
	textview_GetDotLength(textv);

Gary Keim
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Progress report:  I've done modifications to im.c, im.ch, xim.c, and xim.ch. 
 (CMU developers will be relieved to know I used xim.c rev 1.43 so it has the 
latest changes in it.)


I have not compiled or tested yet, so I'm not ready to supply patches, but I 
wanted to share my design with the info-andrew list:


Changes to im.ch:

I added a class procedure 

\example{CreateTransient(struct im *other) returns struct im *; 

}and a method 

\example{CreateTransientWindow(struct im *other) returns boolean;}


Changes to im.c:


\example{im__CreateTransient } is a clone of im__Create, except that it calls 
im_CreateTransientWindow instead of im_CreateWindow.


Clever hack:

\example{im__CreateTransientWindow}, rather than saying it's a missing method, 
as im__CreateWindow does, calls im__CreateWindow, throwing it's argument away.


This way if the window server specific code implements no 
CreateTransientWindow, the system will behave as if im_Create, rather than 
im_CreateTransient had been called.


Change to xim.ch:

added a method:

\example{CreateTransientWindow(struct im *other) returns boolean;}


Changes to xim.c:


\example{xim__CreateTransientWindow} is a lobotomized clone of 
xim__CreateWindow.  All the code that dealt with the possiblity of the window 
being on a new display is removed.  The argument \example{other} is checked to 
see if it really is a valid other window, and all the once-only stuff is 
pulled from it.  If other is invalid, a warning is printed, and a call is made 
to im_CreateWindow.


XSetTransientForHint is called.


Geometry specification is VERY different.


cleverness:  


If no desired height is specified, the height is set as 1/4 the height of the 
other window.

If no desired width is specified, the width is set as 1/2 the width of the 
other window.

If no desired top and left are  specified, the new window is positioned so as 
to be centered on the other window.


The lack of a desired size or position is defined as a value equal to zero. 
 If you don't want a window relative to the existing window, use im_Create!


How does this design sound?


-wdc


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A possible way to do this is to create a new view subclass that simply
puts up a textview to fill its entire area.  The new view's Hit method
will pass on the mouse click to the subview (textview containing the
original text), then find out where the text cursor is in the subview,
then signal the other part of the application (which has the translated
text).  Shame keystrokes don't go through some similar mechanism.

Bill
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>How does this design sound?

Make sure you set CWSaveUnder for the window if "UseSaveUnder" is set in
the ".Xdefaults" file, as the menu package does, so that when the popup
window goes away you don't necessarily get a bunch of Expose events that
force you to painstakingly redraw the windows behind the popup.  That's
one thing that got me thinking about ways to improve the pop-up window
support in Andrew....

Also, this mechanism may make life unpleasant for people still using
WM; that's no skin off my nose, but some people might not like it. 
There might be some other way of doing popups to have them continue to
work in WM the way they always did; it might involve creating Graphics
in WM that are still inside the other window using that window, but in a
separate popup window for X and other window systems that let you create
reasonable pop-up windows.

Dunno offhand how to make input work.
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From: Bill Cattey <wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Issues in dialogue box creation.

I've written compiled and tested my im_CreateTransient code.
It works.

It has a *bad* interaction with the existing Andrew dialogue boxes.

My transient windows come up in front of the Andrew window.  (They have
to in order to be seen.)
If an Andrew dialogue box comes up, it's text is obscured, but it grabs
all the window events.  This means that you can't see what action it's
going to take, but you are forced to deal with it before you can deal
with my Transient window.  You can't even get rid of my transient, since
there is no way an event to do so can get past the Andrew dialogue box.

As I see it, there are two solutions:

1. Modify the event grabbing code of Andrew dialogue boxes to be less
nasty to transients.

2. Rewrite Andrew dialogue boxes to use im_CreateTransient.

My inclination is to throw away and rewrite the existing dialogue box code.
I don't think I could quickly enough come to an understanding of the
hair of the existing dialogue boxes.  As I understand it, these dialogue
boxes are of extremely limited functionality and should be easily
replacable with new code.  Everyone has been saying what a hairy crock
the code is anyway.

I believe the only real problem would come from the wm side of the
fence.  Is it possible for wm to create transient overlapping windows? 
If not, this could end up as a bad, user-visible change to the
interface, and I don't want that.

I guess a solution to such a problem would be to keep the old dialogue
box code around conditionalized on the non-existance of transients.

What do people think I should do?

-wdc

P.S.  If anyone sent any design criticism, I've not received it.  I'm
flying blind here, and would very much like feedback.
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From: Christoph Mai <mai@qt.IPA.FhG.de>
Subject: problems with menulists
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I got the following problem:

In an application I wanted to open a new window with a frame and 
a text/textview inset. 
To add/delete some new menuitems to the textview I used the function
menulist_ChainBeforeML with a 'newmenulist' previously created by
{
    static struct bind_Description Bindings[]={
        {NULL,NULL,0,"Quit",0,0,NULL,NULL},
        {"Insert-Strings",NULL,0,"New Menu Card,Insert Strings",0,0,InsStrings,
        "Insert Strings"},
        NULL
    };
}
and in the Initialize Class function 
{
    struct classinfo *classinfo = class_Load("textview");
    Newmenulist = menulist_New();
    bind_BindList(Bindings,NULL,newmenulist,classinfo);
}	
-------- Now, here is my function ----------------------

void opennewwindow()
{
    struct textview *newtextView;
    struct text *newtext;
    struct frame *frame;
    struct im *newim;

    newtext = text_New();
    newtextView = textview_New();

    view_SetDataObject((struct view *)newtextView,(struct dataobject *)newtext);
    menulist_ChainBeforeML(newtextView->menus,newmenulist,0);
    
    frame = frame_New();
    newIM = im_Create(NULL);

    frame_SetView(frame,newtextView);
    im_SetView(newIM,frame);
}
The new menu card appears in the card stack but the program core dumps
immediately after chosing the new menu item. The other original menu
items of textview don't cause any core dumps !

Is this a wrong way to change menus or what else could be wrong ??

Best regards --- Christoph

____________________________________________________________
Christoph Mai (chm@qt.IPA.FhG.de)
Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Oct-90 Issues in 
dialogue box crea.. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (1708)}


\quotation{2. Rewrite Andrew dialogue boxes to use im_CreateTransient.

}
\quotation{My inclination is to throw away and rewrite the existing dialogue 
box code. }\quotation{I don't think I could quickly enough come to an 
understanding of the }\quotation{hair of the existing dialogue boxes.  As I 
understand it, these dialogue }\quotation{boxes are of extremely limited 
functionality and should be easily }\quotation{replacable with new code. 
 Everyone has been saying what a hairy crock }\quotation{the code is anyway.

}
As the person who translated the dialog box code from bx to be2, I have to 
agree.  Nuke it till it glows.


\quotation{I believe the only real problem would come from the wm side of the 
}\quotation{fence.  Is it possible for wm to create transient overlapping 
windows?  }\quotation{If not, this could end up as a bad, user-visible change 
to the }\quotation{interface, and I don't want that.

}
Nuke wm till it glows, too.


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Sounds to me like your InsStrings function itslef is supect.  Have you
tried using a debugger & setting a breakpoint in that routine?  Or, at
the very least, having it print a line of debugging output as soon as it
enters that routine, so you can find out if it is making it there?
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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
> Nuke wm till it glows, too.

NO!  The "wm" program is much faster and smaller than X.  I refuse to
run X11, and if ATK no longer supported wm it would mean that I would
have to stop using ATK.  I don't want this to happen.
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To Nathaniel Borenstein :

Thanks for your reply to my menulist-problem. The InsStr function itself
is correct (consists only of an output for debugging (printf)). But as 
there is no such output produced (i.e. the core happens before) there must 
be something going wrong during the function call. 

What other possibilities are there ? Do I need a special initialization
or may there be other reasons that have to do with my application in general?
____________________________________________________________
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Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung
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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
> Nuke wm till it glows, too.

No, don't.
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Christoph Mai@qt.IPA.FhG (1666)}


\quotation{and in the Initialize Class function 

}\quotation{\{

}\quotation{    struct classinfo *classinfo = class_Load("textview");

}\quotation{    Newmenulist = menulist_New();

}\quotation{    bind_BindList(Bindings,NULL,newmenulist,classinfo);

}\quotation{\}	

}

This is fine.  Make Newmenulist a static (struct menulist *).  The call to 
bind_BindList will effectively, (1) set up the proctable entries that will be 
called when their associated menuitems are called, (2) add all the menuitems 
described in the bind_Description to the menulist Newmenulist.  The thing that 
is left out is that there has been no association made between the Newmenulist 
and the view that will respond to the menu choice.  The best way to do this is 
(1) create and initialize a static menulist (Newmenulist) in InitializeClass. 
 You've done this right; (2) after you've created the view that you want to 
associate with these menu items, make a call to menulist_DuplicateML().  Here 
it is:


static struct menulist *Newmenulist;


static struct bind_Description Bindings[]=\{

        \{NULL,NULL,0,"Quit",0,0,NULL,NULL\},

        \{"Insert-Strings",NULL,0,"New Menu Card,Insert 
Strings",0,0,InsStrings,

        "Insert Strings"\},

        NULL

\};


static void

InsStrings( txtv, rock )

struct textview *txtv;

long rock;

\{

    printf(">InsStrings\\n");

\}


boolean

foo__InitializeClass(classID)

struct classheader *classID;

\{

    struct classinfo *classinfo = class_Load("textview");

    Newmenulist = menulist_New();

    bind_BindList(Bindings,NULL,newmenulist,classinfo);

    return(TRUE);

\}	


void opennewwindow()

\{

    struct textview *newtextView;

    struct text *newtext;

    struct frame *frame;

    struct im *newim;


    newtext = text_New();

    newtextView = textview_New();


    view_SetDataObject((struct view *)newtextView,

	(struct dataobject *)newtext);



    menulist_ChainBeforeML(newtextView->menus,

	menulist_DuplicateML(Newmenulist,newtextView),0);

    

    frame = frame_New();

    newIM = im_Create(NULL);


    frame_SetView(frame,newtextView);

    im_SetView(newIM,frame);

\}


Happy Reunification!

Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Ah, I'm sorry, I should have read it more carefully.  I think the real
problem may be that you're chaining your menus together at the wrong
point.  The generally recommended way to do it is to chain them together
in the PostMenus method.  If you have a copy of my book on ATK, this is
explained (at least in part -- it doesn't use the "bind" package) in
Section 4.3 and 4.4, with an example piece of code.  I'm not really sure
how your code managed to get the menu to show up at all, nor am I sure
why it core dumped when you selected it, but I'd recommend, as a first
pass to fixing it, that you try moving your ChainAfter into a PostMenus
method.

If, however, as your message seems to indicate, you're not actually
creating a new subclass of textview, then you've got a different problem
-- obviously you don't have a PostMenus method to put this into!  In
that case, your best bet might be to use menulist_AddToML directly on
the textview's menulist (i.e. to use
menulist_AddToML(nextextView->menus,  "New Menu Card,Insert Strings",
proc, 0, 0) after first defining proc as an appopriate proctable entry.

Obviously this is all non-standard, and since I haven't tried it I can't
swear it will work, but it would probably be what I would try if I were
you.  Good luck, and don't hesitate to ask more questions if this wasn't
enough... -- Nathaniel

PS -- Actually, it's also possible to achieve some of these effects
using the initfile mechanism, too, without any C programming at all. 
That might be worth looking into, too.  -- NSB
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Oct-90 Re: problems 
with menulists Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1537)}


\quotation{ I'm not really sure

}\quotation{how your code managed to get the menu to show up at all, nor am I 
sure

}\quotation{why it core dumped when you selected it, but I'd recommend, as a 
first

}\quotation{pass to fixing it, that you try moving your ChainAfter into a 
PostMenus

}\quotation{method.

}
The menu appears because textview doesn't ever clear it's menus chain 
(menulist_ClearChain).  


The reason it was core-dumping was that the menulist->object (set via 
menulist_DuplicateML, menulist_Create, or menulist_SetView) field wasn't set 
and at some point in the enqueueing of the menu event this routine is called:


\smaller{boolean class_IsType(testobject, typeobject)

    struct basicobject *testobject, *typeobject;

\{

    struct classinfo *testtype = testobject->methods->info;


    do \{

        if (testtype == typeobject->methods->info)

            return TRUE;

/* Check for both NULL and "" superclassname because class generates "",

 * but should be fixed. */

        if (testtype->superclass == NULL && testtype->superclassname != NULL 
&& *testtype->superclassname != '\\0')

            if ((testtype->superclass = 
class_Load(testtype->superclassnamekey)) == NULL) \{

                    fprintf(stderr, "Could not load class %s.\\n", 
testtype->superclassname);

                    exit(1);

            \}

        testtype = testtype->superclass;

    \} while (testtype != NULL);


    return FALSE;

\}


}with these arguments:


class_IsType(menulist->object,proctable_entry->type)


So, you can see that a NULL pointer is dereferenced.


Gary

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 19-Oct-90 how to create windows of a .. 
Bill Schell@allegra.temp (340)}


\quotation{How does one go about creating new windows of a particular size 
using 

}\quotation{the im class? }


See the code for frame_NewWindow and frame_DeleteWindow in  frame/framecmd.c. 
The im_SetGeometrySpec() class procedure can be called prior to creating a new 
window and sent a string with a standard X style geometry spec. This will 
allow window size and placement. 


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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>As the person who translated the dialog box code from bx to be2, I have
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Hopefully making them stop clipping at the parent window border at the same
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--

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I have recently compiled Andrew patch level 7 (+ vui.patch) but it is
still core dumping.  The following is on a Sun 4 running SunOs 4.0.3c.
Compilation was on a Sun 4 running SunOS Release 4.0.3_EXPORT.  Both
Suns have X11R4 mounted with the most recent fixes.

ez ./ (or any directory) causes a core dump.  This is due to
filetype__CanonicalizeName getting a null pointer from one of its
callers.  Fix is to check for a null pointer.  I patched this and it
worked more or less.  When moving to a child directory (select the
name and zoom in) a new window opens with the new directory but the
original window also switches to the new directory.

Start up arb.  Create a new lset window.  Use <esc>-<tab> in the lset
to add an org.  Add another inset from arb.  Then select the org and
press the cut key in the arb window.  arb will core dump.

zip features.zip (in the samples directory) causes the X server to
core dump.

Paul.
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Hi,


I am running ATK at patch level 7 (most recent).  I am using the white pages 
but not amds.  The problem I am having is that when sending a message with 
messages, et. al. the address xyz+ is accepatble, but addresses in the format 
xyz+aaa result in validation failure.


Any ideas?


Thanks,


	jeff


  




\bold{\underline{\bigger{\bigger{Jeff Carpenter}}}}


\smaller{\flushleft{University of Pittsburgh, Computing and Information 
Services

600 Epsilon Drive, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238

jjc+@unix.cis.pitt.edu, jjc@pittvms.bitnet,   +1 412 624 6424,    FAX +1 412 
624 6436}}


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Date: 22 Oct 90 06:11:56 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!goanna!isaac@uunet.uu.net  (Isaac Balbin)
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What is the current version of chart?
I am running (Version 1.0, ATK 14.2) and 
the output it produces is not crash hot.
For example, pie charts don't have the circle,
the histogram rectangles aren't black (as on the screen)
and there are more features I would like to see ... I know it's free.

Can anyone enlighten me on the latest and where to get it?
Thanks.
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If you aren't running AMDS, I don't think that xyz+ should validate
either, because the delivery system is going to end up rejecting it
anyway.  (Unless, of course, it turns "xyz+" into simply "xyz" in which
case it is harmless.)

If you're not running AMDS, there is no way that the xyz+abc form will
be deliverable, so it makes sense for it not to validate.  Thus the bug,
if any, is that xyz+ does validate.  And, as I said, if it removes the
"+" in the validation process then I don't see where there is any real
bug...
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Hi.

I am almost ready to release Andrew on the other members of staff however
before that happens I need to know whether it is possible to make an ATK
application appear in reverse video?

Also the question of previewing documents. I am using a program called psroff
to format documents. psroff translates troff to PostScript. I have a couple of
PostScript previewers however they require the user to "hit return" to go onto
the next page from inside the typescript window they were invoked in (that
sentence was a bit odd). This makes them inappropriate for use as a previewer
unless I make use of temporary files and start up a typescript window (or
something similar). Now for the question, is anyone else using psroff to
format and has already discovered a preview method. If not, I will have to use
the band-aid method described above and start hacking at one of the current
PostScript previewers that I have access to (believe me, hack is the right
word - just take one look at the code).

Thanks.
-Cameron

Cameron Humphries
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School of Information Science and Technology   phone: +61 +8 201 2874
The Flinders University of South Australia     fax  : +61 +8 201 2904

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Oct-90 Reverse 
video/Previewing do.. Cameron Humphries@cs.fli (1254)}


\quotation{ I need to know whether it is possible to make an ATK

}\quotation{application appear in reverse video?

}
You can make them all appear reverse-video by putting the following in 
~/preferences:


*.ForegroundColor: white

*.BackgroundColor: black


Or - you can make certain applications behave this way, by replacing the 
asterisk with the applcation name - eg:


ez.ForegroundColor: white

ez.BackgroundColor: black



--fish

(sorry, can't help you about the previewer)

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How does one go about creating new windows of a particular size using 
the im class?  Using im_SetPreferedDimensions() before calling
to im_Create() doesn't seem to cause any change from the default
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Subject: sound inset for Sparcstations?

Has anyone done a sound inset object for ATK using the sound
hardware on the Sun Sparcstation?  After seeing the NeXT mailer recently,
it looks like it wouldn't be too hard to duplicate its voicemail features using
messages and a sound inset.  

If no one has done a sound inset yet, I would think that it shouldn't be too
tough to take one of the sound programs floating around for the sparcstation
and turn it into an ATK inset.  For a first cut, it would only have to appear
as some sort of raster picture (an ear?) and play back the compressed A to D
sound in its data stream when clicked on.  I'm sure someone else out there
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Bill Schell
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As Nathaniel says, without AMDS the forms with plus signs mean nothing.


Here's what I believe is happening.  Since your domain (unix.cis.pitt.edu) 
doesn't run AMDS (and since AMS knows it), the ``+'' character looks to the 
heuristic name matcher just like other noise/punctuation characters.  Thus, 
when you compose mail to jjc+@unix.cis.pitt.edu, the validation routines turn 
it into jjc@unix.cis.pitt.edu before writing it into mail headers, so that 
other sites can reply to it.  In particular, your From: address has no 
plus-sign in it.


Or have you hacked your local sendmail to notice the ``+'' character as a UID 
delimiter?  Even if so, there's no simple way to tell AMS that your site uses 
the ``+'' delimiter rule other than by turning on AMDS; you can, if you like, 
disable WP validation entirely, but that doesn't sound like what you want to 
do.  (Yes, it would be nice to have an option to tell AMS to use the ``+'' 
convention independent of AMDS.)


We're guessing at your local config and at what you want to do; feel free to 
fill in the gaps.  But in any case the ``+'' is a delivery-system 
configuration, not something that comes bundled with WP.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Oct-90 chart Isaac 
Balbin@uunet.uu.ne (363)}


\quotation{What is the current version of chart?

}\quotation{I am running (Version 1.0, ATK 14.2) and 

}\quotation{the output it produces is not crash hot.

}\quotation{For example, pie charts don't have the circle,

}\quotation{the histogram rectangles aren't black (as on the screen)

}\quotation{and there are more features I would like to see ... I know it's 
free.

}
\quotation{Can anyone enlighten me on the latest and where to get it?

}\quotation{Thanks.

}
Well, the ATK version number I have is 15.2 here at the ITC.  I think the most 
current ATK available "outside" is 15.1.  I experience none of the graphical 
problems you report.  The current patchlevel is 7.  Are you patched up to that 
level?  Unfortunately, programs such as chart are not being improved with much 
vigor.  If you'd like to send us some patches we'd be happy to look them over 
:^)



Gary Keim

ATK Group


PS - You can get a postscript file to analyse this way:


	ezprint -t  file.d | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | psdit > file.psc

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Hi.

ez appears intent on leaving files down in /tmp.

These files have names of the form <filename>.n

This would be ok except that the permissions are open for everyone
to read the file. So it is not feasible to use ez for confidential  
correspondence. 

Asking users to set their umask is one possibility.

Any suggestions?

-Cameron
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 19-Oct-90 Andrew core dumps. Paul 
Johnson@uunet.uu.ne (932)}


\quotation{I have recently compiled Andrew patch level 7 (+ vui.patch) but it 
is

}\quotation{still core dumping.  The following is on a Sun 4 running SunOs 
4.0.3c.

}\quotation{Compilation was on a Sun 4 running SunOS Release 4.0.3_EXPORT. 
 Both

}\quotation{Suns have X11R4 mounted with the most recent fixes.

}
I've got a Sun-4/260 running 4.0.3, compilation was on a SparcStation running 
4.0.3c.  MIT X11R4 server is patchlevel 18.


\quotation{ez ./ (or any directory) causes a core dump.  This is due to

}
Yep.


\quotation{Start up arb.  Create a new lset window.  Use <esc>-<tab> in the 
lset

}\quotation{to add an org.  Add another inset from arb.  Then select the org 
and

}\quotation{press the cut key in the arb window.  arb will core dump.

}
My arb doesn't know what <esc>-<tab> means.


\quotation{zip features.zip (in the samples directory) causes the X server to

}\quotation{core dump.

}
Not here.


Bill


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Normally our mailers works fine, but just when you need them, they
fail... Yup, If have still problems with building andrew on sunos4.1
(sun 3/60 and SS1+), but since we were cut of the rest of the world I
couldn't follow the discussions about this topic that begun some weeks
ago.
So, can someone tell me please what the current state is?
If the problems are solved, can someone tell me too so we can work again
normal.
Thank you verry...

P. Verhaeghe
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ams Craig_Everhart@transarc. (1171+0)}


\quotation{Or have you hacked your local sendmail to notice the ``+'' 
character as a UID delimiter?  Even if so, there's no simple way to tell AMS 
that your site uses the ``+'' delimiter rule other than by turning on AMDS; 
you can, if you like, disable WP validation entirely, but that doesn't sound 
like what you want to do.  (Yes, it would be nice to have an option to tell 
AMS to use the ``+'' convention independent of AMDS.)

}
\quotation{We're guessing at your local config and at what you want to do; 
feel free to fill in the gaps.  But in any case the ``+'' is a delivery-system 
configuration, not something that comes bundled with WP.

}
\quotation{		Craig

}

We did hack up sendmail.  At one point this did work, but I am not sure what 
comination of options and versions it worked under.  We were able to send mail 
to something like jjc+xxx@unix, and it would take it.  Also, when it resolved 
names on out system, it would add the + to the end (if I typed in jjc@unix, it 
would become jjc+@unix.cis.pitt.edu after validation).


Eventually, we will be running AMDS, but not yet.  Our problem is that we can 
not get rid of sendmail yet.   The reason we want to do this is because we 
want to run a bulletin board facility through AMS using flames.  Everything 
works but this one part.



	jeff

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The .n files in /tmp are not standard.  Sounds to me like you've got
printing slightly misconfigured, as the .n files are temporary nroff
files produced during the printing process.  -- Nathaniel
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Sigh... sounds like what you need is to separate the current
AMS_NonAMSDelivery AndrewSetup option into two options, one that says
you're not running AMS Delivery, and one that says you're allowing "+"
validation anyway, or something like that.  

I suspect this wouldn't be too hard to do, because the only  two things
I'm sure you'd need to change are 1) the test on line 197 of
overhead/mail/lib/locname.c,  and 2) the test on line 1690 of
ams/libs/ms/mswp.c.  In both cases, these test to see if you're running
AMS Delivery when you might prefer to have them testing for the new
configuration value you would add.

To actually add the new AndrewSetup option, you only need to change two
files, overhead/mail/lib/mailconf.{c,h}.  These changes should be pretty
obvious.

If you make these changes, you should probably post them where Craig & I
can look them over, and then submit them to the ITC for consideration
for future patches.  -- Nathaniel
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It's somewhat harder than that (locname.c, mswp.c, mailconf.\{c,h\}); there 
are about 30 places in overhead/mail and ams/* that conditionally use ``+'' as 
part of an address.  I've wondered about doing something comparable, since it 
would help support cs.cmu.edu as well.  To be useful in that context, though, 
you'd have to make it a per-cell option: it would have to be part of the 
structure that overhead/mail/lib/ckamsdel.c manages.


In any case, please don't just add it as an AndrewSetup option, which could 
apply to only one site at a time.


Maybe I should work on this.  Sigh, indeed.


		Craig

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\quotation{but then I tried to \bold{undefine RESOLVER_ENV} and 
\bold{RESOLVLIB empty}...

}
\display{\quotation{cc -g -Bstatic -I/usr/andrew/include/atk 
-I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   -o cuin  cui.o cuifns.o unixmach.o 
morprntf.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /usr/andrew/lib/libcuin.a 
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a 
 /usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a 
/usr/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a 
/usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a

}\quotation{Undefined

}\quotation{_dn_expand

}\quotation{_res_init

}\quotation{__res

}\quotation{_dn_skipname

}\quotation{_res_search

}\quotation{/lib/libc.a(stricmp.o): _strnicmp: multiply defined

}\quotation{*** Error code 2

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `cuin'

}
}I have no idea what the problem is with linking against libresolv.a under 
SunOS4.1.  Some people can do it, other can't.  The failure with makedo 
reporting that there are "relocatable symbols" is beyond me.  It's a mystery. 
 


The above problem I can handle.  Undefine RESOLVER_ENV in site.h.  In site.mcr 
set RESOLVLIB to the empty string.   Clean the Andrew tree (\bold{make 
Clean}).  Start the build process over.  It appears from the errors above that 
the libmail.a used was the one linked against libresolv.a. If this problem 
reccurs, find out what module has the undefined symbols by running nm(1).  


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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To be a little more detailed:

Look at your formatcommand and printcommand.  Section 4 of README tells
about setting these, as does the 'preferences' help file.

The preferences I use are:

*.formatcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn | /usr/bin/troff -Tpsc -t |
*.printcommand: psdit | /usr/ucb/lpr; rm -f /tmp/%s.n

As you can see, formatting creates a .n file in /tmp, while printing
removes it.

If the README file is bit for bit exactly correct (which it often is)
then the default print command is at fault, not you.  The default print
command doesn't have the '; rm -f /tmp/%s.n' in it to remove the
temporary file.

Probably the simplest way to fix this is for you to create a file named
global.prf in your ${ANDREWDIR}/lib directory.

In that file put the line:

*.printcommand: psdit | /usr/ucb/lpr; rm -f /tmp/%s.n


----

I hope this helps.

-wdc
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The following portion of a make log file shows that metax.c in
andrew/atk/extensions depends on an include file <strings.h>
which doesn't exist on SYSV machines.

-=-=-=-
...
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:  metax.c: /usr/bin/X11/makedepend:  cannot find
include
 file "strings.h"
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:        not in strings.h
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:        not in ./strings.h
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:        not in /usr/andrew/include/atk/strings.h
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:        not in /usr/andrew/include/strings.h
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:        not in /usr/include/X11/strings.h
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:        not in /usr/include/strings.h
/usr/bin/X11/makedepend:  cannot open "strings.h"
        make DESTDIR=/usr/andrew install

...
...
...
=-=-=-=-
Which eventually leads to...
=-=-=-=-
Make:  Don't know how to make strings.h.  Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
=-=-=-=-


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\quotation{Start up arb.  Create a new lset window.  Use <esc>-<tab> in the 
lset

}\quotation{to add an org.  Add another inset from arb.  Then select the org 
and

}\quotation{press the cut key in the arb window.  arb will core dump.

}

<ESC>-<TAB> is understood only by text.  Can you detail exactly what steps you 
take to get Arb to die?


Gary Keim

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From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
To: Tom Neuendorffer <tpn+@andrew.cmu.edu>,
        Susan Straub <susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>, Craig_Everhart@transarc.com
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Sorry about that.  Obviously it predated the patch, and I didn't notice
that it was still in the script.  Mea culpa.  -- Nathaniel
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hp300_ux70 Kris Olander@northstar.d (1131)}


\quotation{The following portion of a make log file shows that metax.c in

}\quotation{andrew/atk/extensions depends on an include file <strings.h>

}\quotation{which doesn't exist on SYSV machines.

}

The latest version of the source: metax.c  does not include <strings.h> (or 
<string.h>) -- presumably because it is including the correct file via 
<andrewos.h>.


You can probably just comment out the include from your file - until the patch 
with that fix comes out (if it hasn't already?) - just be sure to uncomment it 
before applying the patch.


--fish

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Thanks much many, Andy, for telling me to make the transient a child of
the root window, not of the other window.  This has cured the problem of
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parent window.  The bad interaction of old dialogue boxes and my
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Here, for the benefit of other interested info-andrew readers, are the
revisions to the design of transients:

1.  im_CreateTransient creates a window that is a "transient for another
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can happen concurrently with the other window they're associated with.

2. im_CreatePopUp will be written for windows that must operate while
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input.  Such windows are for dialogue boxes.  This is a transient with
override_redirect set, and it requires fiddling with the im_  main loop
to forward keyboard and button events from the other window to this one.

Open issues:

1. What should the interface be if im_CreatePopUp is not supported?

2. Should there be a compile-time or run-time variable or call that
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Hi Tom, Susan!

This script has been successfully used (not by me) at Bellcore to set up
an AMS-based delivery system on a non-AMDS, NFS/sendmail-based system. 
You are welcome to redistribute it, but please don't give any indication
of where it comes from.  (I.e. we ain't supporting it.)  I think this
script might be very useful for AMS sites that want to set up bboard
systems, but are intimidated by the configuration required...  Enjoy. 
-- Nathaniel

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#!/bin/sh
echo $0 - Phase 0 
BBoardAccount=andrew
BBoardHostName=`hostname`
RootBBoard=bb
#comment the next line if first type of installation
# - the second line if alternate
#SubDir=`arch'/
SubDir=

ShouldExistList="${SubDir}.MESSAGES ${SubDir}X11fonts ${SubDir}config"
ShouldExistList="${ShouldExistList} ${SubDir}doc ${SubDir}etc  "
ShouldExistList="${ShouldExistList} ${SubDir}lib ${SubDir}bin/cui "
ShouldExistList="${ShouldExistList} ${SubDir}dlib ${SubDir}examples"
ShouldExistList="${ShouldExistList} ${SubDir}help ${SubDir}include "

##nextline sets up a string for backup files - if your date command can
handel + args then use it
##otherwise use the comemnted out line instead
#Date=$$
Date=`date '+%T%j%y'`
TMP=/tmp/t$$ 

#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 0.1

AskIfContinue () {
yesnomode=c
yesnoquestion="$1:"
yesnocode="$2:-1"
shift 2
while [ $yesnomode = c ]
do
	echo -n "****${yesnoquestion}?: "
	read ans
	case $ans in
	y*|Y*|O*|S*|o*|s*|c*|C*)	yesnomode=y ;;
	n*|N*|q*|Q*)	yesnomode=n ;;
	*)	echo "Answer yes|y|ok|sure|continue or no|n|quit|q only...." ;;
	esac
	if [ $yesnomode = n ]
	then
		while [ $# != 0 ]
		do 
			echo $1
			shift
		done
		exit ${yesnocode}
	fi
done
}
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 0.2
BackUpIfNeeded () {
if [ -s $1 ]
then
	echo File/directory $1 already exists - moving it to ${1}.$Date
	mv $1 ${1}.$Date
fi
}
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 1
if [ $LOGNAME != $BBoardAccount ]
then
	sed 's/^/< /' <<-!
		You should set up a bboard account 
		(default is called $BBoardAccount).

		You currently are logged in as the user $LOGNAME, you
		must be logged in as the user $BBoardAccount.
	
		If the correct account is something other than $BBoardAccount
		then you should correct the assignment for BBoardAccount at the
		beginning of this shell, log in as that account, and rerun
	!
	exit 1
fi
sed 's/^/> /'  <<-!
		The AMS system should have all of its files located in and under
		the login directory for the account $BBoardAccount. 
		That is that there is already a .MESSAGES diretory,
		and that bin contains the program cui etc...

		An alternative is for there to be a subdirectory under that
		account for each type of machine,
		where the arch command will return which type of machine it is.

		The variable assignment in this shell: SubDir=\`arch\'/ is for
		this case.
		If this is the case then halt this shell and correct the assignment
		the current assignment is SubDir=$SubDir
		
!
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 2
echo "PWD = `pwd`"
AskIfContinue "To the best of your knowledge is this the AMS central
directory" 20

echo	"$0 -> changing directory to $HOME then checking if it looks ok...."
cd $HOME
pwd
for ShouldExist in $ShouldExistList 
do
	if [ ! -s $ShouldExist ]
	then
		sed 's/^/!* /' <<-!
		Cant find $ShouldExist 
		is this really the AMS central directory?
		I cant continue with out being sure.

		If there has been some change in AMS, then you can edit this
		shell and alter the assignment of ShouldExistList.
		It is currently ShouldExistList=$ShouldExistList
		!
		exit 2
	else
		echo "! Checked for $ShouldExist - it exists .... continuing"
	fi
done
AskIfContinue "Continue" 20
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 3
sed 's/^/< /' <<-!
	This looks as though it is the AMS central directory,
	and that you are logged in as the account that owns the AMS.

	Now for a discussion of a sticky topic: addresses and bugs...

	I currently have the address of the BBoardAccount as:
${BBoardAccount}@${BBoardHostName}

	This is made up from two diffrent varibles: 
	1: the afforementioned BBoardAccount=$BBoardAccount
	2: BBoardHostName=\`hostname\`=${BBoardHostName}

	Note that due to a BUG in AMS, you should use some name OTHER THAN your 
	"ThisDomain" configuration to refer to  your local host.
	
	(For example, my ThisDomain is machine.someplace.somewhere.com, 
	I am using machine for my hostname.)

	The reason you have to go through this is that if "local-host" is identical 
	to ThisDomain, currently the "bb" portion of this address is sometimes 
	dropped by the address rewriter. 
	
	THIS SHOULD BE FIXED and, indeed, might already have 
	been fixed for the next patch release -- I just don't know.
!

AskIfContinue "The BBoardAddress should be:
$BBoardAccount@$BBoardHostName" 30 \
	"If you wish to change the address edit the assignment" \
	"In this shell for: BBoardHostName=...."
AskIfContinue "The Master BBoard should be:  $RootBBoard" 31 \
	"If you wish to change the address edit the assignment" \
	"In this shell for: RootBBoard=...."

#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 4
sed 's/^/@ /' <<-!
	Creating the root bboard 
	-  Logged in as "$BBoardAccount", runing cui program 

!
cat <<-! >$TMP
\begindata{text,0}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}


This is a new BBoardSystem named ${RootBBoard} managed by the account
\bold{${BBoardAccount}}.


Mail can be posted to it though the "\italic{Reply to Readers}", or 
"\italic{Reply to All}" menu card pick, when reading a message on this bboard.


In order to create a new sub bboard, just pick a msg in the parent bboard you 
want, reply to it,  this will create a new window where you will see a 
\bold{"To: "} line just edit the To line, so that you append your new bboard 
 inside the '""'s with a leading . after the parent bboard name.


ie: if we are in the bboard: \bold{${RootBBoard}.physics.einstein }and
we want to 
create a new bboard: \bold{${RootBBoard}.physics.einstein.fasterthanlight }.


we would  change the To line from: 

\bold{"${BBoardAccount}+${RootBBoard}.physics.einstein"
<${BBoardAccount}@${BBoardHostName}> 

}to: 

\bold{"${BBoardAccount}+${RootBBoard}.physics.einstein.fasterthanlight"
<${BBoardAccount}@${BBoardHostName}>}

\enddata{text,0}

!
if [ -s .MESSAGES/$RootBBoard ]
then
	CMD="${SubDir}bin/cui  merge ${RootBBoard} mail \\; quit </dev/null"
	sed 's/X//' <<-!
	XThe BBoard $RootBBoard seems to already exist
	XThe command "${CMD}"
	X	will merge it into mail - removeing it
	!
	AskIfContinue "Shall I Issue Command [ to merge/remove old bboard]" 49
	eval $CMD
fi
CMD="${SubDir}bin/cui set bbdaemon on \\;  set level wizard \\; create
${RootBBoard} . $TMP \\; quit </dev/null"
echo "About to issue command [to create bboard]:"
echo "$CMD"
AskIfContinue "Shall I Issue Command [to create bboard] " 40
eval "$CMD" 
ls -l .MESSAGES/$RootBBoard
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 5.5 "[correct heading]"
(
sed 's/^/*** /' <<-!
	Rig the heading of the initial msg so that
	replys to it will go to the bboard

!
	cd .MESSAGES/$RootBBoard
	FILE=`ls`
	echo FILE=$FILE
	cp $FILE $TMP
	awk ' {print}
	/^From:/ {printf "To: \"%s+%s\" <%s@%s>\n",id,bb,id,host}' \
	id=$BBoardAccount bb=$RootBBoard host=$BBoardHostName $TMP >$FILE
AskIfContinue "Continue" 555
)
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 5
sed 's/^/% /' <<-!
	Now to set up a .AMS.flames file to ensure that any mail that comes to
	$BBoardAccount gets posted to the correct sub BBoard
	
	Use ez to read the file $HOME/${SubDir}doc/ams/Flames.pgr for more info

!

BackUpIfNeeded ".AMS.flames"

sed 's/X//' <<-! >.AMS.flames
	X(defun bb-hook (msg) 
	X  (process-mapped-mailbox
	X   msg
	X   ""
	X   "${BBoardAccount}[+#]"
	X   '("to" "To" "Apparently-To" "received" "resent-to" "cc" )
	X   "mail"
	X   (ReplyAddr msg "s")
	X   "\\"${BBoardAccount}+${RootBBoard}.rejections\\"
<${BBoardAccount}@${BBoardHostName}>"
	X   "There was a problem delivering this message." )
	X)
	X(load "flib")
!
sed 's/^/.AMS.flames:	/'  .AMS.flames |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue" 50
##########################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 6
FILE=${SubDir}.MESSAGES/${RootBBoard}/.MS.DirectPost
sed 's/^/> /' <<-!
	Now to set up a .MS.DirectPost file ($FILE)
	to ensure that users can post to the bboardwith reply Readers....etc...
!

BackUpIfNeeded ${FILE}

sed 's/X//' <<-! >$FILE
	X1
	X"${BBoardAccount}+${RootBBoard}.*" <${BBoardAccount}@${BBoardHostName}>
!
sed "s/^/.MS.DirectPost:	/"  $FILE |nl
sed 's/^/< /' <<-!
	The first line contains a "1" which says that this .MS.DirectPost file is to 
	be inhereted by child directories (bboards) 

	If you wish to create a magazine in a sub bboard then you would give it its 
	own .MS.DirectPost file to override this one

	The second line contains the posting address for a letter to be mailed to 
	this and to child bboards.  In this case it is made up of two parts.
The right 
	part: <${BBoardAccount}@${BBoardHostName}> is the address to deliver
the posting 
	to.  

	The left part of the second line "${BBoardAccount}+${RootBBoard}.*" 
	says that the bboard tree is known as ${BBoardAccount}+${RootBBoard},
	 the ${BBoardAccount} here is a not the account name, but only matches the 
	entry on line 5 of the .AMS.flames file.

	The * is replaced with the bboards path under the first bboard 
	at posting time.

!

AskIfContinue "Continue" 60
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 7
sed 's/^/% /'  <<-!
	Set up the daemons

Set up one or more daemons to process the bboards.  This can be done in 
several different ways.  Using SunOS 4.0.X, I do it using the extended crontab 

facility.  

First set up a directory ${SubDir}mybin in this directory I will put 
the following  shells: setcrontab, processmsgs, collectlogs, 
dailypurge, weeklypurge, ezform.


!

BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin

mkdir ${SubDir}mybin
AskIfContinue "Continue" 70
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 8
BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin/setcrontab 
sed 's/X//' >${SubDir}mybin/setcrontab <<-!EOLOAD!
	X#!/bin/sh
	X#this shell can be used to establish your crontab
	X#See the unix manual pages on crontab(1) and crontab(5) as well as cron.
	X#
	XTMP=/tmp/crontab.\$\$
	Xcrontab -l|sed '/mybin/d' >\$TMP
	Xcat \$TMP -  <<!EOF! |crontab
	X0	*	*	*	*	${SubDir}mybin/processmsgs
	X5	1	*	*	*	${SubDir}mybin/collectlogs
	X5	0	*	*	*	${SubDir}mybin/dailypurge
	X15	0	*	*	0	${SubDir}mybin/weeklypurge
	X!EOF!
	Xcrontab -l
!EOLOAD!
sed 's/^/setcrontab: /' ${SubDir}mybin/setcrontab |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue" 80
############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 9

BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin/processmsgs 
sed  	-e 's/X//' \
	-e 's/BACKSLASH/\\/g' \
	-e "s;SUBDIR;${SubDir};g" \
	>${SubDir}mybin/processmsgs <<-\!EOLOAD!
	X#!/bin/sh
	X# processmsgs is run by cron.  It is run once an hour.  
	X# when run - check if daemon is already going
	X# IF daemon is going - exit
	X# If daemon is not going - start it
	XLOGFILE=/tmp/AMS.CRON.LOG
	Xexec >>$LOGFILE 2>>$LOGFILE
	XCMD=`basename $0`
	XLOCK=/tmp/${CMD}.cronlock
	XCMD="${CMD}[$$]: "
	Xecho $CMD $0
	Xecho $CMD `date`
	Xecho $CMD LOGNAME=$LOGNAME  HOME=$HOME PWD=`pwd`
	Xecho $CMD PATH=$PATH 
	Xecho $$ > $LOCK
	Xsleep 5
	Xcase `cat $LOCK` in
	X$$)	echo $CMD $LOCK PID of $$ is ok - continuing ;;
	X*)	echo $CMD $LOCK has diffrent PID than $$ it is `cat $LOCK` - exit 
	X	exit
	X;;
	Xesac
	XCUIPS=`ps -auxww |grep cui |grep $LOGNAME |grep -v grep `
	Xcase "Z${CUIPS}Z" in
	XZZ)	(	CMD="${CMD}CUI SH: "
	X		echo ${CMD} try to start CUI
	X		SUBDIRbin/cui	set bbdaemon on BACKSLASH; \
	X				set log $LOGFILE BACKSLASH; \
	X				loop -1 300 check 2>&1 |
	X			sed "s/^/${CMD}/"
	X		echo ${CMD} cui exited
	X	) &
	X	echo $CMD $! - PID OF CUI SHELL
	X;;
	X*)	echo $CMD cui already running - pid of $CUIPS
	X;;
	Xesac
!EOLOAD!
sed 's/^/processmsgs: /' ${SubDir}mybin/processmsgs |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue"  90
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 10
BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin/collectlogs
sed  	-e 's/X//' \
	-e 's/BACKSLASH/\\/g' \
	-e "s;SUBDIR;${SubDir};g" \
	>${SubDir}mybin/collectlogs <<-\!EOLOAD!
	X#!/bin/sh
	XLOG=/tmp/AMS.CRON.LOG
	Xexec >>$LOG 2>>$LOG
	XCMD=`basename $0`
	XLOCK=/tmp/${CMD}.cronlock
	XCMD="${CMD}[$$]: "
	Xecho $CMD $0
	Xecho $CMD `date`
	Xecho $CMD LOGNAME=$LOGNAME  HOME=$HOME 
	Xecho $CMD PATH=$PATH 
	Xecho $$ > $LOCK
	Xsleep 5
	Xcase `cat $LOCK` in
	X$$)	echo $CMD $LOCK PID of $$ is ok - continuing ;;
	X*)	echo $CMD $LOCK has diffrent PID than $$ it is `cat $LOCK` - exit 
	X	exit
	X;;
	Xesac
	XEZF=SUBDIRmybin/ezform
	XLOGFILE=bb.log.ez
	XPURGEFILE=bbpurge.log
	XDOUBLINESFILE=SUBDIRbin/doublines.sed
	Xtouch $PURGEFILE
	XTMPFILE=/tmp/bb.log.$$
	X(
	X	cat <<-!
	X		From:  Bboard Daemon
	X		Subject:  Yesterday's bboard activity
	X		Date: `SUBDIRetc/arpadate`
	X		Content-Type: X-BE2; 12
	X
	X	!
	X	$EZF begindata 
	X	$EZF majorheading  "Critical error summary from yesterday's bboards"
	X	$EZF blanks
	X	grep critical $LOGFILE | $EZF doubleit
	X	$EZF blanks
	X	$EZF majorheading "Purging Report"
	X	$EZF blanks
	X	$EZF doubleit < $PURGEFILE
	X	$EZF blanks
	X	$EZF majorheading "Statistics on numbers of messages processed"
	X	$EZF blanks
	X	$EZF doubleit	<<-!
	X		These statistics are not yet being computed. 
	X		Here, however, is some of the raw data:
	X	!
	X	$EZF blanks
	X	grep "read in" $LOGFILE   |$EZF doubleit
	X	$EZF enddata
	X) >$TMPFILE
	X
	Xmv $TMPFILE ${HOME}/Mailbox
	Xif [ $? = 0 ]
	Xthen
	X  rm $LOGFILE
	X  rm $PURGEFILE
	X  rm $WEATHERLOGFILE
	Xfi
	Xecho $CMD done
!EOLOAD!
sed 's/^/collectlogs: /' ${SubDir}mybin/collectlogs |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue" 100
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 11
BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin/weeklypurge 
sed  	-e 's/X//' \
	-e 's/BACKSLASH/\\/g' \
	-e "s;SUBDIR;${SubDir};g" \
	-e "s/ROOTBBOARD/$RootBBoard/g"	 \
	>${SubDir}mybin/weeklypurge <<-\!EOLOAD!
	X#!/bin/sh
	X#this shell is run one a week and will purge
	X#all bbaords that need to be purged 
	X#note: you must change/add epoch lines
	XLOG=/tmp/AMS.CRON.LOG
	Xexec >>$LOG 2>>$LOG
	XCMD=`basename $0`
	XLOCK=/tmp/${CMD}.cronlock
	XCMD="${CMD}[$$]: "
	Xecho $CMD $0
	Xecho $CMD `date`
	Xecho $CMD LOGNAME=$LOGNAME  HOME=$HOME 
	Xecho $CMD PATH=$PATH 
	Xecho $$ > $LOCK
	Xsleep 5
	Xcase `cat $LOCK` in
	X$$)	echo $CMD $LOCK PID of $$ is ok - continuing ;;
	X*)	echo $CMD $LOCK has diffrent PID than $$ it is `cat $LOCK` - exit 
	X	exit
	X;;
	Xesac
	X
	X(	CMD="${CMD}CUI SH: "
	X	echo ${CMD} try to start CUI
	X	LOGFILE=${HOME}/bbpurge.log
	X	SUBDIRbin/cui	set bbdaemon on BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		set log $LOGFILE BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		epoch ${HOME}/.MESSAGES/ROOTBBOARD ten days ago BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		epoch ${HOME}/.MESSAGES/lost ten days ago BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		quit >> ${HOME}/bbpurge.log
	X	echo ${CMD} cui exited
	X) &
	Xecho $CMD done
!EOLOAD!
sed 's/^/weeklypurge: /' ${SubDir}mybin/weeklypurge |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue" 110
#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 12
BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin/dailypurge 
sed  	-e 's/X//' \
	-e 's/BACKSLASH/\\/g' \
	-e "s;SUBDIR;${SubDir};g" \
	-e "s/ROOTBBOARD/$RootBBoard/g"	 \
	>${SubDir}mybin/dailypurge <<-\!EOLOAD!
	X#!/bin/sh
	X#this shell is run one a day and will purge
	X#all bbaords that need to be purged 
	X#note: you must change/add epoch lines
	XLOG=/tmp/AMS.CRON.LOG
	Xexec >>$LOG 2>>$LOG
	XCMD=`basename $0`
	XLOCK=/tmp/${CMD}.cronlock
	XCMD="${CMD}[$$]: "
	Xecho $CMD $0
	Xecho $CMD `date`
	Xecho $CMD LOGNAME=$LOGNAME  HOME=$HOME 
	Xecho $CMD PATH=$PATH 
	Xecho $$ > $LOCK
	Xsleep 5
	Xcase `cat $LOCK` in
	X$$)	echo $CMD $LOCK PID of $$ is ok - continuing ;;
	X*)	echo $CMD $LOCK has diffrent PID than $$ it is `cat $LOCK` - exit 
	X	exit
	X;;
	Xesac
	X
	X(	CMD="${CMD}CUI SH: "
	X	echo ${CMD} try to start CUI
	X	SUBDIRbin/cui	set bbdaemon on BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		set log $LOGFILE BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		epoch ${HOME}/.MESSAGES/ROOTBBOARD/apnews one days ago BACKSLASH; BACKSLASH
	X		epoch ${HOME}/.MESSAGES/ROOTBBOARD/weather one days ago BACKSLASH;
BACKSLASH
	X		quit >> ${HOME}/bbpurge.log
	X	echo ${CMD} cui exited
	X) &
	Xecho $CMD done
!EOLOAD!

sed 's/^/dailypurge: /' ${SubDir}mybin/dailypurge |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue" 120

#############################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 13
BackUpIfNeeded ${SubDir}mybin/ezform 
sed  	-e 's/X//' \
	-e 's/BACKSLASH/\\/g' \
	-e "s;SUBDIR;${SubDir};g" \
	-e "s/ROOTBBOARD/$RootBBoard/g"	 \
	>${SubDir}mybin/ezform <<-\!EOLOAD!
	X#!/bin/sh
	X#This shell assists in the formating of fake AMS mail
	XMODE=$1
	Xshift
	Xcase $MODE in
	Xbegindata)	echo "BACKSLASHBACKSLASHbegindata{text,42}" ;;
	Xmajorheading)	echo "BACKSLASHBACKSLASHmajorheading{$*}" ;;
	Xenddata)		echo "BACKSLASHBACKSLASHenddate{text,42}" ;;
	Xdoubleit)	sed 's/$/BACKSLASH
	X/'
	X;;
	Xblank)		echo "" ;;
	Xblanks)		echo "" ; echo "" ;;
	Xesac
!EOLOAD!
sed 's/^/ezform: /' ${SubDir}mybin/ezform |nl
AskIfContinue "Continue" 130
###########################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 14
for file in setcrontab processmsgs collectlogs dailypurge weeklypurge ezform
do
	chmod ugo+x ${SubDir}mybin/$file
	ls -l       ${SubDir}mybin/$file
done
AskIfContinue "Will set crontab" 140
${SubDir}mybin/setcrontab
###########################################################################
echo $0 - Phase 15
AskIfContinue "Continue" 150

sed 's/^/+ /' <<-!EOM 	 	 

That's it!  I think that's all you really have to do.  Once you're set
up like this, you can use any AMS interface to send mail to "bb" and it
will get routed to the bboard.  


WARNING:
You'll probably need to change some path names, bb names, etc. -- think of
these as just suggestions regarding how to set up such daemons, because
I make no guarantees that they'll work for anyone else.    Bear in mind,
they're intended to be running for the "andrew" account here .

Also this is all set up for sun crontabs.....


!EOM
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The background queuemail daemon gives messages like the following when doing
local delivery in an AFS environment:

\typewriter{\smaller{
<fdplumb>File '/afs/rchland.ibm.com/usr1/ent/Mailbox' (opened by open) is
still open.  ( 7:20:43 PM )

<fdplumb>Total of 1 open files.  ( 7:20:43 PM )}}


Delivery succeeds, but the messages bother me. Plumber is trying to tell me
something! What can I do to track down the problem? This only occurs on my AIX
3.1 systems, not my rt_aos4 or rt_aix221 systems.


Bob

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I want to use fonts other than those supplied with the Andrew distribution.
I set bodyFont to helvetica10 in my preferences file, and everything looks
fine until I go to print.  Bold and italic text does not appear on the print-
out.  The bold, italic, and bold-italic helvetica font files exist.  

Any clues?

Thanks,

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Still problems...

This is what I did (configuration: SS1+ sunos 4.1 X11R4.14-andrew.7):

\example{cd ..../andrew

make Clean

imake  -I.  -I./config  -Timake.tmpl  -s Makefile  -DTOPDIR=.

make Makefiles

vi andrew/atk/ness/Makefile  (hacked it is so make doesn't make demos)

make dependInstall

}
with the following site.* files:

\example{\italic{/* Empty site.h file.  Use this file to hold all */

/* your site's changes to allsys.h and system.h. */}

#define CONTRIB_ENV     1

#define MK_BASIC_UTILS  1

#define MK_AUX_UTILS    1

#define MK_AUX_INSETS   1

#define MK_AUTHORING    1

#undef  LINKINSTALL_ENV

#undef    RESOLVER_ENV


\italic{/* Empty site.mcr file.  Use this file to hold all */

/* your site's changes to allsys.mcr and system.mcr. */

}XUTILDIR = /usr/bin/X11

\italic{/*RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a*/

}CDEBUGFLAGS=-g -Bstatic

MAKEDOFLAGS = -g -d $\{BASEDIR\}/lib -b $\{BASEDIR\}/bin

}
but this is what I get:

\example{cc -g -Bstatic -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include
-I//usr/include/X11   -o cuin  cui.o cuifns.o unixmach.o morprntf.o
 /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /usr/andrew/lib/libcuin.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a
 /usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a
/usr/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a
/usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a

ld: /lib/libc.a(stricmp.o): _strnicmp: multiply defined

*** Error code 2

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `cuin'

Current working directory
/home/share/src/X11R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclients/cui


}I used nm in *.o files end _strnicmp is defined in cui.o and cuifns.o, but
since I don't know how to fix this problem, can someone help met please?


Thank you



P. Verhaeghe

University of Antwerp, RUCA

Algebra / Geometry

Groenenborgerlaan 171

B-2020 Antwerpen, Belgium



Tel: +32 3 2180308

Fax: +32 3 2180217

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E-mail: pive@banruc01.bitnet (or pive@ccu.uia.ac.be)


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To what extent is it possible to use the ams and atkams systems with a
Unix file system.  All the help documents that say anything about it
seem to assume AFS is in place.  What is the difference between (say)
NFS and AFS?

Paul.

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I have no idea what the strnicmp function in your libc is supposed to do - but 
looking at the function in ams/msclients/cui/cuifns.c - it appears to be one 
of several of the attempts in the toolkit to do a case-insensitive string 
comparison.


If your system's strnicmp function does this too - and accepts three 
arguments: char *s1, char *s2, int len -- then I suggest you try commenting 
out the function in cuifns.c -- something like:


#ifndef SS1_ENV /* I don't know what your sys-flags are - this is ONLY an 
EXAMPLE */

strnicmp(s1, s2, len)

char *s1, *s2;

int len;

\{

.....

\}

#endif


And then try to recompile.


IF THIS WORKS -- send mail to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu to let them know 
(a) that it is needed, and (b) what sys-type flag needs to be used. 
(Alternatively, on this end - a different function name could be used - 
especially if the function already exists in libutil.a -- i.e. lc_strncmp)


IF THIS DOES NOT WORK -- post again with an update of the problems.



Hope this helps....



--fish

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\quotation{Open issues:

}
\quotation{1. What should the interface be if im_CreatePopUp is not supported?

}
How  about having the top level object (the child of im) temporarily replaced 
with the object that would have been put in the transient window, with a full 
redraw before & after?


\quotation{2. Should there be a compile-time or run-time variable or call that

}\quotation{tells if the window server supports the Transient or PopUp window 
types.

}
No.  I think it would be really bad news, because people would end up writing 
code that worked on one window system and not another.  I vote for having it 
look a little klunky but still working right where transients aren't properly 
supported.

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If properly configured, there should be no problem.  Here at Bellcore,
we have 20 or so users with about 100 bulletin boards, and we're running
NFS.  All that you have to do is configure it properly, and the defaults
from the X11 tape release assume NFS, not AFS, so you really should have
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Of course the patch I sent in yesterday isn't totally complete.  (If we never 
made mistakes, we'd never need patches.)  This then is a suggestion for an 
improvement to the overhead/mail/lib/ckamsdel.c file as it would have existed 
after the patch had been made.  This change allows folks to give AMS-Server 
file options as yes/no/true/false, as well as by giving numbers that are zero 
or non-zero.  But in particular it provides a default value for the 
AMS_UseridPlusWorks option, which is that it doesn't work unless you're told 
it works.  Before, it would assume that unless it was told, it didn't know.


Thanks for your patience with this.  Will there be another round of patching 
soon?


		Thanks,

		Craig


----------------begin ckamsdel.c patch----------------

\literal{% \bold{diff -c ckamsdel.c\{.BAK,\}}

*** ckamsdel.c.BAK	Tue Oct 23 10:47:54 1990

--- ckamsdel.c	Wed Oct 24 09:22:20 1990

***************

*** 138,143 ****

--- 138,161 ----

  \}

  

  #ifdef AMS_DELIVERY_ENV

+ static int readBool(inval, filename)

+ char *inval, *filename;

+ \{/* Read a Boolean from the string ``inval''. */

+     char *val;

+ 

+     val = inval;

+     while (*val != '\\0' && (isspace(*val) || *val == '-')) ++val;

+     switch (*val) \{

+ 	case 'y': case 'Y': case '1': case 't': case 'T':

+ 	    return 1;

+ 	case 'n': case 'N': case '0': case 'f': case 'F':

+ 	    return 0;

+ 	default:

+ 	    fprintf(stderr, "Warning: Bad Boolean value '%s' reading file %s; 
assuming FALSE\\n", inval, filename);

+ 	    return 0;

+     \}

+ \}

+ 

  static int LoadServerFile(acf, someDomain)

  struct AMSConfig *acf; char *someDomain;

  \{/* Load values from the AMS-Server file for the given domain.  If the 
given domain is running AMS delivery, it can set default values if the 
AMS-Server file doesn't have a given field. */

***************

*** 165,172 ****

  #endif /* AFS_ENV */

      errno = 0;

      srvHead = ReadConfigureFile(SrvFile);

!     free(SrvFile);

!     if (srvHead == NULL) return -1;	/* Errno will have something for the 
caller. */

      if (acf->AMSDel > 0) \{

  	accum = vld_WPValid;

      \} else \{

--- 183,192 ----

  #endif /* AFS_ENV */

      errno = 0;

      srvHead = ReadConfigureFile(SrvFile);

!     if (srvHead == NULL) \{

! 	free(SrvFile);

! 	return -1;	/* Errno will have something for the caller. */

!     \}

      if (acf->AMSDel > 0) \{

  	accum = vld_WPValid;

      \} else \{

***************

*** 201,207 ****

      \}

      vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "AMS_UsersHandleFormatting", 1);

      if (vp != NULL) \{

! 	xl = atoi(vp);

  	acf->ATKFmtOK = (xl != 0 ? 1 : -1);

      \} else if (acf->AMSDel > 0) \{

  	acf->ATKFmtOK = 1;  /* If running AMS delivery, absence means we know for 
sure. */

--- 221,227 ----

      \}

      vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "AMS_UsersHandleFormatting", 1);

      if (vp != NULL) \{

! 	xl = readBool(vp, SrvFile);

  	acf->ATKFmtOK = (xl != 0 ? 1 : -1);

      \} else if (acf->AMSDel > 0) \{

  	acf->ATKFmtOK = 1;  /* If running AMS delivery, absence means we know for 
sure. */

***************

*** 208,214 ****

      \}

      vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "AMS_UUCPSupported", 1);

      if (vp != NULL) \{

! 	xl = atoi(vp);

  	acf->UUCPSupp = (xl != 0 ? 1 : -1);

      \}

      if (acf->AMSDel > 0) \{

--- 228,234 ----

      \}

      vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "AMS_UUCPSupported", 1);

      if (vp != NULL) \{

! 	xl = readBool(vp, SrvFile);

  	acf->UUCPSupp = (xl != 0 ? 1 : -1);

      \}

      if (acf->AMSDel > 0) \{

***************

*** 216,224 ****

      \} else \{

  	vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "AMS_UseridPlusWorks", 1);

  	if (vp != NULL) \{

! 	    xl = atoi(vp);

  	    acf->UseridPlusOK = (xl != 0 ? 1 : -1);

! 	\}

      \}

      vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "MailboxName", 1);

      if (vp != NULL) \{

--- 236,244 ----

      \} else \{

  	vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "AMS_UseridPlusWorks", 1);

  	if (vp != NULL) \{

! 	    xl = readBool(vp, SrvFile);

  	    acf->UseridPlusOK = (xl != 0 ? 1 : -1);

! 	\} else acf->UseridPlusOK = -1;	/* if we're reading the server file, we 
know. */

      \}

      vp = GetConfig(srvHead, "MailboxName", 1);

      if (vp != NULL) \{

***************

*** 302,307 ****

--- 322,328 ----

  	\}

      \}

      FreeConfigureList(srvHead);

+     free(SrvFile);

      return 0;

  \}

  #endif /* AMS_DELIVERY_ENV */

***************

*** 623,628 ****

--- 644,651 ----

  	printf("CheckAMSFmtOK(``%s'') returns ``%d''.\\n", TrialDomain, RC);

  	RC = CheckAMSUUCPSupp(TrialDomain);

  	printf("CheckAMSUUCPSupp(``%s'') returns ``%d''.\\n", TrialDomain, RC);

+ 	RC = CheckAMSUseridPlusWorks(TrialDomain);

+ 	printf("CheckAMSUseridPlusWorks(``%s'') returns ``%d''.\\n", TrialDomain, 
RC);

  	RC = CheckAMSValidationMask(TrialDomain);

  	printf("CheckAMSValidationMask(``%s'') ", TrialDomain);

  	if (RC < 0) printf("fails: %d/%d/%s\\n", RC, errno, UnixError(errno));

}----------------end ckamsdel.c patch----------------

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Something is very odd, conceivably a bug in the fdplumber stuff itself. 
The thing is, the file it says is open is a directory, yet it says it
was opened by "open" rather than by "opendir".  Very peculiar.  One
approach might be to look through all the queuemail code for any place
where any "open" call might actually be issued on a directory rather
than on a file.

Does AIX 3.1 do anything weird with opening & closing directories?  If,
for example,  it renamed "closedir" to something else, then the
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otherwise it is simply missing the closes, and printing out spurious
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The message is probably coming from trymail, not queuemail.


Trymail doesn't do an opendir of a Mailbox directory.  However, as you recall, 
vmail() (a routine from overhead/mail/lib -> libmail.a) will look to see if 
its destination directory is in AFS; the IsOnVice() procedure takes an open 
file descriptor, so vmail() typically open's and close's the Mailbox directory 
itself around making this check.  But, Bob has tinkered with his copy of 
vmail.c on rs_aix31 because the AFS-dependent ioctl (VIOCIGETCELL) doesn't 
work in the AFS port to rs/6000's yet.  Until he tells me otherwise, I'll 
assume that Bob's tinkering eliminated the close() done in 
overhead/mail/lib/vmail.c, line 117 or 122.


		Craig

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\quotation{The bold, italic, and bold-italic helvetica font files exist. 

}
I tried this here and it worked.  Are the bold, italic, and bold-italic font 
files readable?  Are the permissions set correctly?

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i've just started my attempt to install andrew on a DECstation 5000,
running Ultrix 4.0.  i've got andrew pl7, and the make failed when it
could not find globalrefs._h  (in andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips)

what's my problem?  thanks.

						- dave
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\quotation{i've just started my attempt to install andrew on a DECstation 
5000,

}\quotation{running Ultrix 4.0.  i've got andrew pl7, and the make failed when 
it

}\quotation{could not find globalrefs._h  (in 
andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips)

}
\quotation{what's my problem? 

}
Could be a bunch of things.  Globalrefs._h get built by the Makefile so a few 
things to try are:


1) make sure the date is set correctly on that machine

2) (cd andrew/overhead/class;make Clean;make dependInstall)

3) (cd andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips; rm install.time .depends)


Try those in the given order.


Much luck.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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\quotation{I want to use fonts other than those supplied with the Andrew 
distribution.

}\quotation{I set bodyFont to helvetica10 in my preferences file, and 
everything looks

}\quotation{fine until I go to print.  Bold and italic text does not appear on 
the print-

}
I didn't look far enough to see, but helvetica, timesroman, and gacha seem to 
be supported in the code (why not Courier?).  Perhaps if you left the "10" off 
the font name, and just said "helvetica"?


Bill



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What happens to me is that ``makedepend'' complains about the missing file, 
but that it gets made anyway, just fine, in time for compiling the programs 
that include it.  Don't be misled by the silly makedepend error message.


		Craig

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\quotation{i've just started my attempt to install andrew on a DECstation 
5000,

}\quotation{running Ultrix 4.0.  i've got andrew pl7, and the make failed when 
it

}\quotation{could not find globalrefs._h  (in 
andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips)

}
\quotation{what's my problem?  thanks.

}
\quotation{						- dave

}
The problem could easily be eliminated by changing all of the 
machdep/*/Imakefile's so that instead of saying:


\example{DependTarget()

}
They said


\example{DependTarget(globalrefs._h)}



This makes sure that globalrefs._h is created before makedepend is executed.


--fish

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Looks like Andrew generates an illegal separator character in the
References field when there is more than one reference.
This was sent using Zmailer, which is why I suppose its just coming to
our attention now.

-- Frank






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A copy of your message is being returned to you because it arrived with
an illegal header according to the RFC822/976 protocol specification.
If you do not recognize the source of the bad header, perhaps you should
ask a postmaster at your site.

Your message had separate information about its recipients, so it has
been transmitted properly with a warning replacing the bad addresses.

The following annotated header(s) illustrate where the error(s) occurred:

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Oh.


-- Frank




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There was a time when I wasn't getting my own submissions to info-andrew.


Lately the headers on my info-andrew mail have been different:


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}
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\bold{Date}: Wed, 10 Oct 1990 16:57:43 -0400 (EDT)

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\bold{To}: Bill Schell <bill@allegra.tempo.nj.att.com>

\bold{Subject}: Re: moving menu items

\bold{Cc}: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>

}
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I submitted a fix for this to the ITC on 7 September, and Gary immediately 
incorporated it into the ITC sources.  The cutoff date for patch 7 was 4 
September.  The fix will apparently be coming out as patch 8.  (It's a 
one-line fix, deleting the comma in the quoted string on line 155 of 
ams/libs/ms/reply.c .)


		Craig

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If your code relies on ULstrncmp(s1,s2,n) as provided in libutil.a and defined 
in andrew/overhead/util/lib/ulstrcmp.c beware that as of the next patch the 
value returned by that routine will be correct!  The comment for that routine 
is correct but it now actually returns the opposite magnitude.


\smaller{int \bold{ULstrncmp}(s1,s2,n)

char *s1, *s2;

int n;

\{

  \italic{/* case INSENSITIVE:  Compare strings, up to n chars:  

     s1>s2: >0  s1==s2: 0  s1<s2: <0

   */}


  register int i;

  register int result = 0;


  for(i = 0;(s1[i] || s2[i]) && i<n && !result;++i)\{

    result = DOWNCASE(s2[i]) - DOWNCASE(s1[i]);

  \}

  return(result);

\}

}

If you have any code that looks like;


  if( ULstrncmp(s1,s2,n) < 0 ) break;


it will have to be changed to be:


  if( ULstrncmp(s1,s2,n) > 0 ) break;

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From: Jon Crowcroft <J.Crowcroft@uk.ac.ucl.cs>



we are considering running AMS on our clustersd of RS/6000s & PS/2s
we've just bought....

motivation
1) consistent interface to bboards & e-mail
2) multi-media
3) nice interface (ez/messages + low end support)

however, 
a) has anyone done this on this base? we'd like any input on building
b) we are running a (local version of) sendmail system for local and
external delivery - will this be problematic?
(for instance, we want all outgoing mail to either be resigned
user@site or have the from field be user@site in the first place, or
at least have a reply-to: field with user@site, we dont want internal
topology to be externally known, but it can be internally, e.g.
user@department...)
c) we are (at least at first) running NFS fielsystems, not AFS - what
does this lose us?

last & least
d) a small prob at the moment - we built atk in the obvious way and it
all works okay modulo runti9me warnings about class lib not being
found in succesively longer pathnamed directories...what causes this?


thanks for any input...

jon
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Subject: Mail munging

Folks,

I have a problem with the way that messages re-writes addresses.  If I
specify an address as "janssen.parc", it is re-written (assuming it's
not an alias or bulletin board) as "janssen.parc@holmes.parc.xerox.com".
 This causes problems with our mail setup (which has to support XNS, and
does so with a pseudo-SMTP-address scheme).  So:

Is there a configuration variable I can set to prevent the local host
from being added to the (apparently) local address during re-write, so
that "janssen.parc" remains "janssen.parc"?

Or:

What code in mswp.c should I be changing to add such a configuration variable?

Bill
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Subject: setting default colors

I'm having a problem setting default colors.  I want to check whether
the current display is color before I set them, but this requires a
"struct graphic *".

For example:

    if (graphic_DisplayClass(view_GetDrawable(self)) &
    graphic_Color){
        graphic_SetDefaultColors("white","blue");
    }

This won't work in InitializeObject because I don't have a "drawable"
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Any ideas?

Thanks,
-- Dave

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\quotation{Folks,

}
\quotation{I have a problem with the way that messages re-writes addresses. 
 If I

}\quotation{specify an address as "janssen.parc", it is re-written (assuming 
it's

}\quotation{not an alias or bulletin board) as 
"janssen.parc@holmes.parc.xerox.com".

}
I also had the problems with the rewriting of mail addresses. I identified 
that the mail address is rewritten to the \bold{\bigger{first }}entry for the 
host in the /etc/hosts. I changed the sequence of the aliases in /etc/hosts 
and have no problems.


Hans




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Hans von Kleist-Retzow, TA Triumph-Adler AG, Olivetti Office Research

Abt. EF21, Fuerther Str. 212, D-8500 Nuernberg 80, West-Germany

Tel: +49 911 322 6355	E-Mail: hans@triumph-adler.de

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From: unmvax!pprg.unm.edu!topgun!mustang!carter@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dave Carter)
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In article <Ib9jsvv0BwwO91NnJt@transarc.com> Craig_Everhart@TRANSARC.COM writes:
>What happens to me is that ``makedepend'' complains about the missing
>file, but that it gets made anyway, just fine, in time for compiling the
>programs that include it.  Don't be misled by the silly makedepend error
>message.

actually, in this case for some reason it never gets made, and the
make fails.  as soon as i get some more time, i'll try the other
suggestion posted here yesterday.

						- dave
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A new version of /usr/local/bin/gdb (the gnu debugger) has been released on 
the pmax.  This new version has the capability to detect bad floats turned off 
as that feature apparently doesn't work correctly on the pmax.  The net result 
is that spurious error messages ("Invalid Float") will not be produced by this 
version of gdb.  Please direct any questions to advisor+@andrew.cmu.edu.


-Mark Held

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You can use the AndrewSetup line 

AMS_NoDomainPreferredOnLocalMail: 1

which may or may not be what you want.  It will make "janssen" validate as

Bill Janssen <janssen>

rather than

Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com>

If that's not what you want, then I'm not sure how to help.  (Of course,
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\quotation{d) a small prob at the moment - we built atk in the obvious way and 
it

}\quotation{all works okay modulo runti9me warnings about class lib not being

}\quotation{found in succesively longer pathnamed directories...what causes 
this?

}

A bug in class that shows up when optimization is on.  This has been rectified 
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From: Anthony Edwards <tobeye@northstar.dartmouth.edu>
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Subject: rasterv.c file too big

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We're in the process of compiling ATK4 PL7 on our SPARCs and ran into a 
problem when we get to the 

	$\{ANDREWDIR\}/atk/raster/cmd/rasterv.c

compile.  Since rasterv.c is very large (124K), it eats up \italic{lots} of 
/tmp disk space when compiling.  Too much, in fact, for our machines.  We're 
going to try a workaround of either

	a)  temporarily enlarging our /tmp space

	b)  breaking up the file into several, smaller files

However, if in a future patch release this file was smaller, then we wouldn't 
need this workaround.

   - \underline{Anthony}

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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: "old hidden messages" in AMS bboards

Recently, we seem to be a lot of "Old Hidden Messages" showing up in our
bboards - That is, the message will not appear for days or weeks, unless
a scavenge is done. The CUI bboard daemon  never shows any errors in the
log file, and I can't think of anything that's changed. I'd say it
happens 5-10 times/week. So, the questions are:

Why does a bboard post sometimes come up as "hidden"?

Is there anything I can do to track down the problem? (Oh, I suppose I
could run the bboard daemon with debugging on.... yuck!)

Bob
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Subject: Re: "old hidden messages" in AMS bboards
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Are you sure they aren't ancient messages that are just now showing up?

In general, this is a symptom of a file system probelm -- there are very
few circumstances that cause this to happen other than the file system
hiccuping, at least, in mid-operation.   Such problems, however, should
show up on the bb daemon log, as you are aware.

A question:  how are you becoming aware of the hidden messages?  That
might help me to guess how/when it is happening.  -- Nathaniel
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*Blush*... Craig hit the nail right on the head! I #ifdef'd out the
close at line 117.

Never mind....

Bob
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I'm sure that  they are *not* ancient  messages.. I'll give you an
example:

I post a message to bboard "advisor.foo". About 30 mins later, I check
for new messages. I'm subscribed to advisor.foo, so I expect to see my
last post. Messages shows me that the folder has new messages, and a
check from messages show the folder has new messages, but none are
displayed. The .MS.Master/Update file has been updated, and the message
is indeed in the folder. (I cd ~bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/foo). I can
then make the message appear by a "scavenge" of the bboard.

Is this any help?

Bob
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Subject: tags inset

[ excuse me if I posted this before (15-Mar-1990).  I just discovered it
in my old mail folder and it looked as though the message was never
delivered. ]

I am using EZ with ctext and tags.  I'm really glad EZ has the tags
feature - it is a very useful feature in an editor.  However, the tags
stuff is not implemented completely right:  when I do a Find Tag, it
finds the wrong tag.

A tags file generated by ctags(1) is composed of three fields per line: 
the routine name, the file name, and the search string.  Most search
strings start with /^ to match the search string flush left.  (They also
typically have $/ at the end to force a match flush right as well, but
I'm not worried about that right now.)  EZ ignores this!  EZ is matching
on the first string that is identical.  Imagine this fictitious C file:

/*  myfile.c - a fictitious C file */

/* routines in this file:
	main (int argc, char ** argv)
	foo (int x)
*/

main (int argc, char ** argv)
{
   foo (argc);
}

foo (int x)

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 25-Oct-90 setting default colors Dave 
Gross@rchland.iinus (644)}


\quotation{This won't work in InitializeObject because I don't have a 
"drawable"

}\quotation{yet.  If I wait until InsertView or something, the default colors 
for

}\quotation{the graphic are already set.  I would like these defaults to be 
used by

}\quotation{all subwindows of this view.

}
Yes, check for the display-class in either the InsertView of FullUpdate 
methods.  There is a single DefaultForeground and DefaultBackground color for 
all graphics in the process.  When a view is inserted into the view-tree, it's 
fore- and background colors are set to the defaults.  A view can then set it's 
own colors or just go with the defaults by taking no action. 


In conclusion, set the default fore- and background color when you test for 
the display-class.  If they've already been set, that's OK.  Unless your child 
views reset the defaults or set their own view-specific colors, your default 
settings will come through.

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Subject: tm echoes input?
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We recently installed Andrew patchlevel 7.  I now notice (though I can't tell
if the two are related), that tm echoes my input before executing it, as though
it thought I was on a half-duplex line or something (no, I'm running under
X11R4 on a Sun4).  Sound familiar to anyone?

	Bill
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Subject: ATK future developments
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I have just installed ANDREW (7.6) and I would like to issue two
rather naive questions:
1) are there any plans in the development of ANDREW and ATK that add Colors ?
2) are there any plans to port them in C++ ?

Thanks,
-- Roberto

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 29-Oct-90 Re: "old 
hidden messages" i.. Bob Oesterlin@rchland.ib (581)}


\quotation{I post a message to bboard "advisor.foo". About 30 mins later, I 
check }\quotation{for new messages. I'm subscribed to advisor.foo, so I expect 
to see my }\quotation{last post. Messages shows me that the folder has new 
messages, and a }\quotation{check from messages show the folder has new 
messages, but none are }\quotation{displayed. The .MS.Master/Update file has 
been updated, and the message }\quotation{is indeed in the folder. (I cd 
~bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/foo). I can }\quotation{then make the message appear 
by a "scavenge" of the bboard. }


This sounds very suspicious to me.  When the bboard is in the bad state -- 
i.e. you can't see the new messages until you run a scavenge -- is there a 
file in that directory called ".AMS_DIRMOD"?


If there is such a file, it means that things are working "right" in some 
sense -- the operation of adding a message to the folder was aborted, but the 
marker file was left around to tell the system to auto-scavenge eventually.


If there is no such file, there's really a bug somewhere.  Can you reproduce 
the circumstances in which this happens?  Has anything changed recently to 
correspond to the advent of this bug (e.g. new hardware, new OS, new Andrew 
patchlevel, etc.)?


In particular, you might look to see if there are any weird protections set on 
the relevant .MS_MsgDir files, or anything like that, though I can't imagine 
how that would happen.\
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\quotation{We recently installed Andrew patchlevel 7.  I now notice (though I
can't tell

}\quotation{if the two are related), that tm echoes my input before executing
it, as though

}\quotation{it thought I was on a half-duplex line or something (no, I'm
running under

}\quotation{X11R4 on a Sun4).  Sound familiar to anyone?

}
Sounds like the pty isn't in REMOTE mode.  I haven't really looked at tm,
though, so I may be wrong...but that is the behavior in typescript when the
ioctl with TIOCREMOTE fails.


-todd inglett

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I'm still trying to build andrew with sunos4.1... So, the following questions:


Like I've been told I did the following:

\example{OK.  In andrew/ams/msclients/cui/\{cui.c,cuifns.c\} change all calls
to strnicmp to ULstrncmp.  As well, comment out the definition of strnicmp in
cuifns.c. Recompile.  That should work.

}Ok everything compiles fine, but cui, vui, messages don't work at all. So
will changing in andrew/ams/msclients/cui/\{cui.c,cuifns.c\} the test
concerning ULstrcmp solve this problem?


Ez core dumps when I trie to edit a directory, is this problem related to the
foregoing, or is it something new?


You told about the next patch: when will it be available? will it solve the
problems with sunos4.1?


P.S. Most other things seems to work decent (but I haven't tested everything
in detail).


thanks.


P. Verhaeghe

University of Antwerp, RUCA

Algebra / Geometry

Groenenborgerlaan 171

B-2020 Antwerpen, Belgium



Tel: +32 3 2180308

Fax: +32 3 2180217

Telex: RUCABI 33362


E-mail: pive@banruc01.bitnet (or pive@ccu.uia.ac.be)


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At least one use of strnicmp in cui.c cared about whether it returned >0 or 
<0, even though most uses (as expected) cared only whether it returned 0 or 
not.


In my copy of the code, ULstrcmp(s1, s2) ultimately returns (s1 - s2), while 
both ULstrncmp(s1, s2, len) and strnicmp(s1, s2, len) ultimately return (s2 - 
s1), even though the comment in ULstrncmp says that it returns (s1 - s2).


Thus, I believe that in my copy of things, one could use ULstrncmp and 
strnicmp interchangeably, though if one is changed to return (s1 - s2) 
instead, the replacement couldn't happen unless the relevant call site were 
changed, too (in this case, the CheckHead routine in 
andrew/ams/msclients/cui/cui.c).


Hope this helps.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 23-Oct-90 Re: ez fails to tidy up Bill 
Cattey@ATHENA.MIT.E (851)}



\quotation{If the README file is bit for bit exactly correct (which it often 
is)

}\quotation{then the default print command is at fault, not you.  The default 
print

}\quotation{command doesn't have the '; rm -f /tmp/%s.n' in it to remove the

}\quotation{temporary file.

}

By default, the print command will remove the .n files. Note the following 
from the print.c source file.


#define print_PRINTCOMMAND "/usr/ucb/lpr -n -Ppp; rm -f /tmp/%s.n; rm -f 
/tmp/%s.n.dvi " \italic{ /* if overridden by the profile 'printcommand' entry, 
the troff file (usually /tmp/%s.n) won't be automatically deleted . */}


So my guess is that you have either a local or global preference or init file 
that is improperly overriding the default in the source without including the 
\italic{rm -f /tmp/%s.n} command.


	Tom N.


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pive%BANRUC01.BITNET@vma (1122+0)}


\quotation{Ok everything compiles fine, but cui, vui, messages don't work at 
all. So will changing in andrew/ams/msclients/cui/\{cui.c,cuifns.c\} the test 
concerning ULstrcmp solve this problem?

}

If you followed my instructions then the problem is not with ULstrncmp.  The 
problem with \{messages,vui,cui\} is one that was discovered by Jishnu 
Mukerji.  There are some routines in ams/libs/ms/subs.c that are suppose to 
return values but which do not.   Here is the substance of his message on the 
subject:


\smaller{Enclosed below is the context diff of ams/libs/ms/subs.c for fixing 
coredumping and other goofy things in AMS under SunOS4.1 on Sun4. 

________________ context diff of ams/libs/ms/subs.c _________________

*** /vol/mtgzfs2.5/dy/andrew/ams/libs/ms/subs.c    Mon Aug  6 10:59:51 1990

--- subs.c    Mon Oct 15 13:13:22 1990

***************

*** 274,279 ****

--- 274,280 ----

      \}

      HasInitializedSubsPriorities = 0;

      ++SubsModCtr;

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  ReadSubs() 

***************

*** 487,492 ****

--- 488,494 ----

      \} else \{

      NonfatalBizarreError(ErrorText);

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  static Boolean MailPathChanged = FALSE, LocalPathChanged = FALSE, 
ExtPathChanged = FALSE, OffPathChanged = FALSE;

***************

*** 517,522 ****

--- 519,525 ----

      oldlocallen = strlen(oldlocal);

      oldofflen = strlen(oldofficial);

      oldextlen = strlen(oldexternal);

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  HandlePathChange(sub)

***************

*** 531,536 ****

--- 534,540 ----

      if (LocalPathChanged) HandleChange(sub, oldlocal, 
LOCALSEARCHPATHTEMPLATE, oldlocallen);

      if (ExtPathChanged) HandleChange(sub, oldexternal, 
EXTERNALSEARCHPATHTEMPLATE, oldextlen);

      if (OffPathChanged) HandleChange(sub, oldofficial, 
OFFICIALSEARCHPATHTEMPLATE, oldofflen);

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  HandleChange(sub, oldpath, newpath, oldlen)

***************

*** 560,565 ****

--- 564,570 ----

      sub->key = malloc(1+strlen(NewName));

      strcpy(sub->key, NewName);

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  

***************

*** 579,584 ****

--- 584,590 ----

          --i; /* Recheck this spot again! */

      \}

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  /* For the qsort call */

***************

*** 649,654 ****

--- 655,661 ----

      ++i;

      \}

      ++SubsModCtr;

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  

***************

*** 676,681 ****

--- 683,690 ----

      newvalue = MyBuf;

      \}

      SetFullProfileEntry(FALSE, FullName, NULL, 0, TRUE, newvalue, newdate, 
FALSE);

+ /* Fix for random error message bug JIS 10/15/90 */

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  SetFullProfileEntry(DoSubs, FullName, NickName, status, DoProf, time64, 
filedate, NeedToCheckPath)

***************

*** 956,961 ****

--- 965,971 ----

      fclose(ProfLockFP);

      ProfLockFP = NULL;

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  MakeSubsListInPathOrder() \{

***************

*** 1114,1119 ****

--- 1124,1130 ----

      if (!SkipThis) ++NumSubsOrderElts;

      \}

      HasInitializedSubsPriorities = 1;

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  WhichPath(s)

***************

*** 1174,1179 ****

--- 1185,1192 ----

      \}

      fclose(fp);

      \}

+ /* Fix for coredump JIS 10/12/90*/

+     return(0);

  \}

}
These fixes have been made to the official sources and will be out in the next 
patch.  Speaking of the next patch... I don't know when it will be out, but I 
would guess surely before the end of November.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 30-Oct-90 Re: ULstrncmp 
pive%BANRUC01.BITNET@vma (1122+0)}


\quotation{Ez core dumps when I trie to edit a directory, is this problem 
related to the foregoing, or is it something new?

}
This, seperate, problem has also been rectified and will be in the next patch.


I'm sorry that you've had so much difficulty with Andrew on your SunOS4.1 
machine.  You've been very helpful in making things work better in the future. 
 Thanks,


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Everhart (719+0)}


\quotation{In my copy of the code, ULstrcmp(s1, s2) ultimately returns (s1 - 
s2), while both ULstrncmp(s1, s2, len) and strnicmp(s1, s2, len) ultimately 
return (s2 - s1), even though the comment in ULstrncmp says that it returns 
(s1 - s2).

}
ULstrncmp and strnicmp both returned the wrong value (s2 - s1).  In the next 
patch, strnicmp is gone and ULstrncmp returns (s1 - s2).  As well, the call in 
cui.c that relied on the incorrect return value from strnicmp has been changed 
to rely on the correct return value from ULstrncmp.

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pive%BANRUC01.BITNET@vma (1122+0)}


\quotation{Ok everything compiles fine, but cui, vui, messages don't work at 
all. So will changing in andrew/ams/msclients/cui/\{cui.c,cuifns.c\} the test 
concerning ULstrcmp solve this problem?

}

If you followed my instructions then the problem is not with ULstrncmp.  The 
problem with \{messages,vui,cui\} is one that was discovered by Jishnu 
Mukerji.  There are some routines in ams/libs/ms/subs.c that are suppose to 
return values but which do not.   Here is the substance of his message on the 
subject:


\smaller{Enclosed below is the context diff of ams/libs/ms/subs.c for fixing 
coredumping and other goofy things in AMS under SunOS4.1 on Sun4. 

________________ context diff of ams/libs/ms/subs.c _________________

*** /vol/mtgzfs2.5/dy/andrew/ams/libs/ms/subs.c    Mon Aug  6 10:59:51 1990

--- subs.c    Mon Oct 15 13:13:22 1990

***************

*** 274,279 ****

--- 274,280 ----

      \}

      HasInitializedSubsPriorities = 0;

      ++SubsModCtr;

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  ReadSubs() 

***************

*** 487,492 ****

--- 488,494 ----

      \} else \{

      NonfatalBizarreError(ErrorText);

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  static Boolean MailPathChanged = FALSE, LocalPathChanged = FALSE, 
ExtPathChanged = FALSE, OffPathChanged = FALSE;

***************

*** 517,522 ****

--- 519,525 ----

      oldlocallen = strlen(oldlocal);

      oldofflen = strlen(oldofficial);

      oldextlen = strlen(oldexternal);

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  HandlePathChange(sub)

***************

*** 531,536 ****

--- 534,540 ----

      if (LocalPathChanged) HandleChange(sub, oldlocal, 
LOCALSEARCHPATHTEMPLATE, oldlocallen);

      if (ExtPathChanged) HandleChange(sub, oldexternal, 
EXTERNALSEARCHPATHTEMPLATE, oldextlen);

      if (OffPathChanged) HandleChange(sub, oldofficial, 
OFFICIALSEARCHPATHTEMPLATE, oldofflen);

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  HandleChange(sub, oldpath, newpath, oldlen)

***************

*** 560,565 ****

--- 564,570 ----

      sub->key = malloc(1+strlen(NewName));

      strcpy(sub->key, NewName);

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  

***************

*** 579,584 ****

--- 584,590 ----

          --i; /* Recheck this spot again! */

      \}

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  /* For the qsort call */

***************

*** 649,654 ****

--- 655,661 ----

      ++i;

      \}

      ++SubsModCtr;

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  

***************

*** 676,681 ****

--- 683,690 ----

      newvalue = MyBuf;

      \}

      SetFullProfileEntry(FALSE, FullName, NULL, 0, TRUE, newvalue, newdate, 
FALSE);

+ /* Fix for random error message bug JIS 10/15/90 */

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  SetFullProfileEntry(DoSubs, FullName, NickName, status, DoProf, time64, 
filedate, NeedToCheckPath)

***************

*** 956,961 ****

--- 965,971 ----

      fclose(ProfLockFP);

      ProfLockFP = NULL;

      \}

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  MakeSubsListInPathOrder() \{

***************

*** 1114,1119 ****

--- 1124,1130 ----

      if (!SkipThis) ++NumSubsOrderElts;

      \}

      HasInitializedSubsPriorities = 1;

+     return(0);

  \}

  

  WhichPath(s)

***************

*** 1174,1179 ****

--- 1185,1192 ----

      \}

      fclose(fp);

      \}

+ /* Fix for coredump JIS 10/12/90*/

+     return(0);

  \}

}
These fixes have been made to the official sources and will be out in the next 
patch.  Speaking of the next patch... I don't know when it will be out, but I 
would guess surely before the end of November.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 30-Oct-90 Re: ULstrncmp 
pive%BANRUC01.BITNET@vma (1122+0)}


\quotation{Ez core dumps when I trie to edit a directory, is this problem 
related to the foregoing, or is it something new?

}
This, seperate, problem has also been rectified and will be in the next patch.


I'm sorry that you've had so much difficulty with Andrew on your SunOS4.1 
machine.  You've been very helpful in making things work better in the future. 
 Thanks,


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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\quotation{In my copy of the code, ULstrcmp(s1, s2) ultimately returns (s1 - 
s2), while both ULstrncmp(s1, s2, len) and strnicmp(s1, s2, len) ultimately 
return (s2 - s1), even though the comment in ULstrncmp says that it returns 
(s1 - s2).

}
ULstrncmp and strnicmp both returned the wrong value (s2 - s1).  In the next 
patch, strnicmp is gone and ULstrncmp returns (s1 - s2).  As well, the call in 
cui.c that relied on the incorrect return value from strnicmp has been changed 
to rely on the correct return value from ULstrncmp.

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I would like to write an application that binds the <Esc> key to a
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Is this even possible in ATK?

Where can I find a list of all the key codes I may use in
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It seems that ATK overrides many X key bindings to return different
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I don't know if the current state of key mappings is an historical
accident or required for other window managers, but is there any way to
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>Both Suns have X11R4 mounted with the most recent fixes.

...

>zip features.zip (in the samples directory) causes the X server to
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Are you certain you have all the most recent fixes?  "fix-2" had a fix
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\quotation{1) are there any plans in the development of ANDREW and ATK that 
add Colors ?

}
Support for lowercase "color" is already there (see 
andrew/include/atk/graphic.ch).


By the way, bravo for the new stipple code to provide monochrome support for 
color.  I just brought up a color document on my monochrome screen for the 
first time and was actually able to distinguish between the five colors.


Bill

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The book should be out by now. I talked with our editor last week, and they 
are equally baffled as to why they haven't gotten anything from the printer 
yet. So we assume it will be available any day.


Since it's published by Springer Verlag, you can get the book from them.


Trivial fixes (like changes to meet the andrew site file configuration scheme) 
would go out with the regular andrew toolkit patches. As far as I know, no 
oda-relevant patches have in fact been distributed.


Substantive fixes are not done by the ITC. The software is being further 
developed, but not for source code release.


I do not know of any ODA viewer for X, though there is one for the PC (or 
rather, some configuration for the PC) that is sold by Group Bull. A group of 
students here at CMU wrote a formatted ODA -> Postscript translator using the 
toolkit. I think the hard part is getting formatted ODA from processable ODA. 
Group Bull sells such a formatter, but the last time I saw their price, it was 
pretty steep for non-universities.


			-Mark

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Anyone know of an approximate # of people that use Andrew system in the US(or 
the world)??  I just need an approximate # of people so if you are 
knowledgeable about Andrew, please send me e-mail.  If there are some 
interest, I will post it here.


                                     Sun...

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\quotation{Anyone know of an approximate # of people that use Andrew system in 
the US(or the world)??  

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In reviewing the ATK survey data, it if difficult to estimate the total 
number. Certain sites (notably CMU and MIT) have made it available to large 
numbers of students (~ 4000 each), but there is no easy way to know how many 
of them are actually using it, though the number at CMU is probably 
respectable . Dartmouth has reported 500 users and the University of Nebraska 
has reported 100. A couple of companies have users in the hundreds, while most 
of the four dozen sites that responded each have from 2 - 30 researchers 
playing with it. I also know of at least one commercial product based on ATK 
that easily accounts for thousands of more users, though probably none of them 
know they are using ATK. 


	Regards,


		Tom N.

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