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Hi!

Do anyone know how to print out a raster file through ezprint?
For those text files, I use ezprint -t to convert them into
troff files and use ptroff to print them out through a PostScript
printer; it is a NeXT printer here.

                                                Wai-kong Sung
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Can we run AMS without AMDS?

Now I try to use standard BSD mail instead of AMDS. We can send mail
through the sendmessages but we can't read new mails from the messages
or cui. I tried to change something in the AndrewSetup file or preferences
files, such as MailboxDir and MailboxFile, but all in vain. Could anyone
tell me how to fix it?

In fact, I 've tried to install AMDS and WP but resulted errors. It is
about lack of some include files, such as bt.h or something ( I can't
really remember). The point is, is it possible to install AMDS and WP
without AFS?
                                                Wai-kong, Sung
                                                CCL/ITRI
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To: kw20swk0@TWNITRI1.BITNET (Wai-kong, Sung), info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Can AMS run without AMDS?
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It should work just fine if configured properly; actually, most people
who run AMS do NOT use AMDS.  

Try just running cui and typing the command "update" to read your new
mail.  If it doesn't work, please tell me exactly what it prints out as
an error message.  If it says something about "set hold in .mailrc" then
you need to create a .mailrc file in your home directory and put the
following line in it:

unset hold

There's a long story behind this, but if it is your problem,  basically
it is necessary because of the way your site has configured Berkeley
mail.

Anyway, let me know what CUI says and we can diagnose the problem from
there.  -- Nathaniel
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Subject: "old hidden messages"

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Well, it happened again. This time  I did a little poking around in the
message folder. In this case, I just posted 2 messages to "advisor.aix31".
Messages exposed the folder, but there were no new messages:


\typewriter{\smaller{.../3.1/mount > ls -a ~bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/aix31

+0ayYw4891E0J80dnwb  +QazrymE91E6v40dIop  +gb6oEJU91E6vA0Um8T

+0b4BB=U91E6v00TWwF  +Qb1rKRQ91E6v80UYFA  +gb7BIN891E6vM0U3Un

+0b9mWDE91E6v40UH0=  +Qb4q2fg91E5zAzY04Q  +gb7jxNI91E6vI0U1YF

+4b4omYU91E6vI0SW5K  +Qb:77ys91E6v80U29x  +gb=Mlf891E6vA0UV49

+4b=Zml091E6vI0UWkQ  +Qb=h=Y091E6vI0UVFS  +kb7OYmM91E6vQ0VF0w

+8b1rZpg91E6vI0UYNW  +Ub0Srzg91E6v80UV5s  +kb94K=g91E6v00U1Vf

+Ab39xbo91E6vA0TVxL  +Ub2EvGU91E6v40UWh2  +kb:3ip491E6vQ0U1Nq

+Ab8o=PY91E6vE0UHAF  +Ub4RwUQ91E6vI0SVFF  +kb=Mh7U91E6v40UV0o

+Ab=NsoI91E6vI0UVMH  +Ub5O=Bk91E6vQ0TVFK  +ob0Ub=891E6vA0UVMF

+Ab=TzAQ91E6vM0UWIu  +Yb1r5jQ91E6vM0UY0G  +ob7V8HU91E6vA0VGJO

+EazpjsU91E6vA0dEVU  +Yb4:ofU91E6vI0TWFt  +sb0tFCQ91E6vI0dWIj

+Eb1usvs91E6v00UYh1  +Yb:4YWU91E6v80U1cf  +sb4alLI91E6v00SWUD

+Eb23:7Q91E0J81DE4a  +cb3=WiQ91E6vM0TWZL  +sb=N4k891E6v00UVAI

+Eb4Rn6o91E6vE0SVBd  +cb6o=IU91E6v00Um55  +wb0CtKk91E6vM0dWgm

+Eb4THDw91E6vA0SVNm  +cb9m36E91E6v00UGkl  +wb0G9Mc91E6vQ0dY0Z

+Eb94Vto91E6v80U1pk  +cb:8:fU91E6vQ0U2Mz  +wb2KgWY91E6vM0UWxt

+Ib0CAuo91E6vM0dW4Y  +cb=N3:Q91E6vM0UV8n  +wb4=ZSk91E6v80TWcU

+Ib4o=fw91E6vA0SVtL  +cb=N6Jw91E6v80UVEZ  +wb8k3Yo91E6vA0UFtd

+Ib7PMWM91E6vM0VF9I  +gazqA0s91E60EaF04j  +wb:4U2w91E6vE0U1Y0

+Ib8k3Us91E6v40UFo7  +gb0BEqE91E6vA0dVoI  +wb:4rQQ91E5zAvGk4k

+Ib=h:2491E6vA0UVBn  +gb0tYA891E6vE0dWM6  .

+Mb5PYQ891E6vI0TVsk  +gb48rN491E6vQ0TVJO  ..

+Mb=ND1091E6vM0UVJP  +gb49NQI91E6vA0TVNI  .MS_MsgDir


.../3.1/mount > cuin

CUI> scavenge advisor.aix31

Recursively scavenge all subdirectories [No] ?

Purge deletions after scavenging [No] ?

Checking for hidden messages in folder
/afs/rchland.ibm.com/usr0/bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/aix31.

Found 2 old hidden messages in
/afs/rchland.ibm.com/usr0/bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/aix31 (0 orphaned
snapshots, 0 processing errors).

Scavenged /afs/rchland.ibm.com/usr0/bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/aix31.

CUI> q


.../3.1/mount > ls -lat ~bboard/.MESSAGES/advisor/aix31 | head

Total: 195 kbytes

d           2 oester                   6144 Oct 31 08:04 .

-rw-        1 oester                  10940 Oct 31 08:04 .MS_MsgDir\bold{

-rw-        1 oester                   1779 Oct 31 08:04 +Yb=hbgA91E5zAoF05p

-rw-        1 oester                   1373 Oct 31 08:04 +4b=hbgw91E5zMoF090}

d          35 postman                 45056 Oct 31 01:16 ..

-rw-        1 postman                  1299 Oct 30 23:10 +4b=Zml091E6vI0UWkQ

-rw-        1 postman                  1288 Oct 30 16:33 +Ab=TzAQ91E6vM0UWIu

-rw-        1 postman                  1797 Oct 30 09:37 +Ab=NsoI91E6vI0UVMH

-rw-        1 postman                  1424 Oct 30 08:52 +Mb=ND1091E6vM0UVJP}}


What's curious is that 2 new messages appear that were not present in the dir
previously!


What's going on here??


Bob



PS: The bboard machine is an RT running 4.3, AFS 3. The configuration has been
stable for at least 6 months.\
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Subject: Does AMS_NoDomainPreferredOnLocalMail work?

\begindata{text,1084056}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
Does the \italic{AMS_NoDomainPreferredOnLocalMail} actually work? I was hoping 
that once I set this in AndrewSetup, I could start using UUCP bang addresses, 
without having to bother about what domain will get tacked onto it. I.e. I was 
hoping that when I specify an address \bold{mtgzx!jis} I would get 
\bold{mtgzx!jis} after address validation instead of \bold{mtgzx!jis@domain}, 
but that does not happen. I still get \bold{mtgzx!jis@domain}, no matter what 
I do with NoDomainPreferredOnLocalMail. I am running AMS in Pacth 7 Rel 3 of 
Andrew.


What is \italic{AMS_NoDomainPreferredOnLocalMail} supposed to do anyway?


\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzy.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 908 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

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Date: Thu,  1 Nov 1990 15:05:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: "old hidden messages"
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Very curious.  Is the total number of files the same?  That is, are the
two new files just renamed old ones, or did they really appear out of
nowhere?

This is a very unfamiliar bug.  I'll keep thinking about it.

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I have

AMS_NoDomainPreferredOnLocalMail: 1
AMS_UUCPSupported: 1

In my AndrewSetup file.  Using this, "foo!bar" validates directly, and
"nsb" validates as "Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb>" rather than "Nathaniel
Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com".  You should test a case like the
latter to find out whether you've actually got the AndrewSetup lines
right.  If you do, these two kinds of validation should be working for
you.  -- NB
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 1-Nov-90 Can ezprint print raster fi.. 
Wai-kong, Sung@vma.cc.cm (293)}



\quotation{Do anyone know how to print out a raster file through ezprint?

}\quotation{For those text files, I use ezprint -t to convert them into

}\quotation{troff files and use ptroff to print them out through a PostScript

}\quotation{printer; it is a NeXT printer here.

}

Ez printing is set up for use with the adobe psdit package, which allows the 
embedded postscript generated by raster or zip to be passed through within the 
troff, a similar trick is probably possible with ptroff, but I am not familiar 
with the package. For dealing with straight raster files (those not embedded 
in text), you could use the convertraster program to translate them directly 
 into postscript. Also, for text files, you can change the printcommand with 
the a *.printcommand preference that will allow you to specify how you need to 
print them, i.e. 

*.printcommand: ptroff ; rm -f /tmp/%s.n; rm -f /tmp/%s.n.dvi


Tom N.

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\quotation{Sounds like the pty isn't in REMOTE mode.  I haven't really looked 
at tm, though, so I may be wrong...but that is the behavior in typescript when 
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I broke it but I've now fixed tm.  It won't echo-echo in the next patch.

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>Ez printing is set up for use with the adobe psdit package, which allows
>the embedded postscript generated by raster or zip to be passed through
>within the troff, a similar trick is probably possible with ptroff, but
>I am not familiar with the package. For dealing with straight raster
>files (those not embedded in text), you could use the convertraster
>program to translate them directly  into postscript. Also, for text
>files, you can change the printcommand with the a *.printcommand
>preference that will allow you to specify how you need to print them,
>i.e.
>*.printcommand: ptroff ; rm -f /tmp/%s.n; rm -f /tmp/%s.n.dvi
 
By directly writing to a PostScript file, raster file can be printed
out from a PostScript Printer. It can't work for embbed raster inset.
Because it has no ptroff in my SUN, I transfer the troff files which
generated by ezprint to a NeXT, and use ptroff to convert those troff files
to PostScript there. The embbed Postscript seems to be truncated by
ptroff.
 
Is it ptroff need some special macro for those troff embedd with image?
 
                                                        Wai-kong, Sung
 
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Now the ezscan only supports the IBM 3117 scanners but here
we have only MicroTek MSF-300C and  Color/Gray scanners. If
we modified the ezscan code to support these scanners, how
much effort is needed?
 
                                                Wai-kong, Sung
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>Try just running cui and typing the command "update" to read your new
>mail.  If it doesn't work, please tell me exactly what it prints out as
>an error message.  If it says something about "set hold in .mailrc" then
>you need to create a .mailrc file in your home directory and put the
>following line in it:
>
>unset hold
Yes, this is my problem; the error message is about "set hold in Mailrc or
.mailrc". After I added "unset hold" in my .mailrc, it can work now. Thanks!
 
Now I met another problem about address when send mail through messages or cui.
When I typed the address like this, user@host, it works with no problem.
However, when I send to local user or reply to the sender, the mail would be
returned back with error. A such kind of returned mail is enclosed.
What kind of problem of this?
 
                                                        Wai-kong, Sung
 
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421 Host mailhost not found for mailer ether.
550 sung@w2sun2.noname... Host unknown
 
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I have revceived your image file!
 
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Looks to me like you're running your domain system in the same screwy
way they run it at Bellcore -- i.e. your NFS domains, as returned by
getdomainname(), have nothing to do with your mail domain.  I suggest
that you read about the "ThisDomain" variable in the AndrewSetup file,
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Looks to me like you're running your domain system in the same screwy
way they run it at Bellcore -- i.e. your NFS domains, as returned by
getdomainname(), have nothing to do with your mail domain.  I suggest
that you read about the "ThisDomain" variable in the AndrewSetup file,
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From: Bill Schell <bill@allegra.tempo.nj.att.com>
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Subject: what machines and OS's  does andrew run on?

Does a list of all the machine types and operating systems that andrew has been
ported to exist in the documentation (or elsewhere)?  I'd be very interested in
looking at one. People keep asking me questions like:  "Oh, you're using
ATK?  Will that run on a {fill in the blank} machine?"

Thanks,
	Bill Schell
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That information is in the top-level README file:


IBM RT		AOS December 1988		rt_r3

IBM RT		AIX 2.2.1			rt_aix221

Sun 2		SunOS 3.5			sun2_35

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IBM PS/2 M70/80	AIX 1.1			ps_aix11 

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from andrew: 1-Nov-90 Re: Can ezprint print raste..
Tom Neuendorffer@andrew. (960)}
 
 
[stuff deleted]
 
 
\quotation{Ez printing is set up for use with the adobe psdit package, which
allows
 
}\quotation{the embedded postscript generated by raster or zip to be passed
through
 
}\quotation{within the troff, a similar trick is probably possible with
ptroff, but
 
}\quotation{I am not familiar with the package. For dealing with straight
raster
 
}\quotation{files (those not embedded in text), you could use the
convertraster
 
}\quotation{program to translate them directly  into postscript. Also, for
text
 
}\quotation{files, you can change the printcommand with the a *.printcommand
 
}\quotation{preference that will allow you to specify how you need to print
them,
 
}\quotation{i.e.
 
}\quotation{*.printcommand: ptroff ; rm -f /tmp/%s.n; rm -f /tmp/%s.n.dvi
 
}
\quotation{Tom N.
 
}
 
Can someone tell me if those programs are public domain, and if so where I can
obtain it? Because our troff package just deletes embedded postscript ( it can
handle postscript include files)
 
thanks
 
 
 
P. Verhaeghe
 
University of Antwerp, RUCA
 
Algebra / Geometry
 
Groenenborgerlaan 171
 
B-2020 Antwerpen, Belgium
 
 
 
Tel: +32 3 2180308
 
Fax: +32 3 2180217
 
Telex: RUCABI 33362
 
 
E-mail: pive@banruc01.bitnet (or pive@ccu.uia.ac.be)
 
 
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     A compilation of Andrew on a VaxStation running Ultrix 3.0, patch
level 7 from Emsworth, mostly default configuration, went without any
error messages; However, I did got the following warning messages:

 WARNING:bufferlist.ch: - long class names should use name keys 
"framecmd.c", line 87: warning: illegal pointer combination
"framecmd.c", line 88: warning: illegal pointer combination
"compchar.c", line 382: warning: illegal pointer combination
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"zipocapt.c", line 134: warning: enumeration type clash, operator =
"zipofcap.c", line 168: warning: enumeration type clash, operator =
"eval.c", line 142: warning: illegal pointer combination

     Also, the message '*.ch: No such file or directory' (without any
further comment) appeared numerous times, and so did 
'*.c: No such file or directory'  (the latter was less frequent.  

     In a first attempt, 'vui' and messages' seem to be running o.k.  

     WHAT DO I DO about these warnings?

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 5-Nov-90 Compilation 
Warnings Rudolf Nottrott@lternet. (2102)}


\quotation{ WARNING:bufferlist.ch: - long class names should use name keys 

}\quotation{"framecmd.c", line 87: warning: illegal pointer combination

}\quotation{"framecmd.c", line 88: warning: illegal pointer combination

}\quotation{"compchar.c", line 382: warning: illegal pointer combination

}\quotation{"compchar.c", line 385: warning: illegal pointer combination

}\quotation{"zipobj.c", line 181: warning: enumeration type clash, operator 
RETURN

}\quotation{"zipocapt.c", line 134: warning: enumeration type clash, operator 
=

}\quotation{"zipofcap.c", line 168: warning: enumeration type clash, operator 
=

}\quotation{"eval.c", line 142: warning: illegal pointer combination

}

These are things which may one day get fixed (most of them probably could get 
fixed now, sometimes the lessor of two evil versions of C must be used - until 
ANSI-C is prevelent)



\quotation{'*.c: No such file or directory' 

'*.ch: No such file or directory'}


Ignore these completely - these appear simply because the dependency 
generating script (andrew/config/depend.csh) needs to be able to figure out if 
such files exist - and /bin/csh is noisy.


--fish\
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When accessing VUI over a dial-up connection, so far I have only been
able to use a VT52 emulator (Procomm in VT52 setup).  Other emulators,
such as H19 or VT100 would not work correctly.  

There must be a way to set up VUI such that it can talk to a VT100, or
some of the other common terminals.  Can somebody tell me how to go
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Rudolf Nottrott <rnott@lternet.washington.edu> writes:
> When accessing VUI over a dial-up connection, so far I have only been
> able to use a VT52 emulator (Procomm in VT52 setup).  Other emulators,
> such as H19 or VT100 would not work correctly.  

	The last  PD version of  Procomm had a  horribly  broken VT100
emulation  mode built into  it, and I'd bet  that is what your problem
is. The last time I had to use  a PC for  remote access  I  used Telix
3.12 without any emulation problems. You should be able to find a copy
on wsmr-simtel20.army.mil or grape.clarkson.edu (it's  a step up  from
Procomm in other regards as well).


					dan
					not ITC
					but I've had to deal with
						Andrew for the last
						three and a half
						years
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Hi 

	I know that there is something called andrew and from CMU, but
what exactly is that and where can I get it from? (any ftp site name #?)


Please send me mail.  I don't have usenet(internet) access !!

Thanks

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...


\quotation{	The last  PD version of  Procomm had a  horribly  broken VT100

}\quotation{emulation  mode built into  it, and I'd bet  that is what your 
problem

}\quotation{is. The last time I had to use  a PC for  remote access  I  used 
Telix

}\quotation{3.12 without any emulation problems. You should be able to find a 
copy

}\quotation{on wsmr-simtel20.army.mil or grape.clarkson.edu (it's  a step up 
 from

}\quotation{Procomm in other regards as well).

}...


I too have had problems with VUI, with both xterm (X11R4) on my Sun and with 
Versaterm on a Mac.  I get strange displays and message contents after 
editing.  In particular, I typed (as a message body):


\example{one, three, five^A^OThis is a test

}
and expected to get


\example{This is a testone, three, five

}
But instead got the following


\example{From howard Fri Nov  2 15:09:01 1990

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Date: Fri,  2 Nov 1990 15:08:57 -0500 (EST)

From: Howard Bussey <howard>

To: Howard Bussey <howard>

Subject: testing

Cc: 


This is a testoooo three, ffff


I typed:

one,three,five^A^OThis is a test


this is with xterm}


--------------------------------------------------------------

Howard Bussey <howard@thumper.bellcore.com>

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Has anyone tried to use the transfer mode \typewriter{graphic_COPY} to
overwrite characters in a \italic{view} without having to first "white out"
the old characters?  For example:


\example{myview_SetTransferMode(self, graphic_COPY);

myview_SetFont(self, myFont); \italic{/* a fixed width font */}

myview_MoveTo(self, x, y);

myview_DrawString(self, "LAST",graphic_ATTOP | graphic_ATLEFT);

myview_DrawString(self, "F",graphic_ATTOP | graphic_ATLEFT);

}
What I would expect as a result would be "\typewriter{FAST}", but what I get
is "\typewriter{EAST}".  It seems that \typewriter{graphic_COPY} is working
like \typewriter{OR}.  Is this a bug?


Also, can anyone respond to my last post of Oct. 30 on key bindings?  I would
appreciate any input you can give me.


Thanks,

-- Dave Gross

507/286-6785

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 6-Nov-90 transfer mode graphic_COPY Dave 
Gross@rchland.iinus (704+0)}


\example{\quotation{myview_SetTransferMode(self, graphic_COPY);

}\quotation{myview_SetFont(self, myFont); \italic{/* a fixed width font */}

}\quotation{myview_MoveTo(self, x, y);

}\quotation{myview_DrawString(self, "LAST",graphic_ATTOP | graphic_ATLEFT);

}\quotation{myview_DrawString(self, "F",graphic_ATTOP | graphic_ATLEFT);

}}
\quotation{What I would expect as a result would be "\typewriter{FAST}", but 
what I get is "\typewriter{EAST}".  It seems that \typewriter{graphic_COPY} is 
working like \typewriter{OR}.  Is this a bug?

}

\typewriter{DrawString} makes use of the X call \typewriter{XDrawString}. 
 Here is a blurb about what \typewriter{XDrawString} does:


\indent{\typewriter{XDrawString} and \typewriter{XDrawString16} draw a string 
into a drawable.  They require only the string, its length, and the position 
of the baseline origin.  The font in the GC (GraphicsContext) is used both as 
a source for the graphics operation and as a clip mask, so that pixels in the 
destination drawable that are not in each font character are not drawn.

}
So, there is no bug in the graphic layer.  There may be a bug in the 
documentation.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 6-Nov-90 transfer mode graphic_COPY Dave 
Gross@rchland.iinus (704+0)}


\quotation{Also, can anyone respond to my last post of Oct. 30 on key 
bindings?  I would appreciate any input you can give me.

}
I'm hoping that someone else will answer this question.

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Subject: porting atk to VMS ?
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We are thinking 'bout a port of ATK to VMS.

Is this very crazy ? Anybody out there already thought about this ?
Please, VMS gurus, how could we realize dynamic loading in VMS ? Is it
possible at all ?  How to change symbol tables in a VMS object file (makedo) ?

Please comment (FLAMES etc.) via e-mail, i'll summarize.

Thanks in advance,

Christoph.
____________________________________________________________
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menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
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Here's a little blurb about what it is and how to get it: 



The Information Technology Center at Carnegie Mellon is pleased to announce 
the release of new versions of the Andrew Toolkit, the Andrew Message System 
and the ODA Tool Kit as part of the January 1990 release of the X Window 
System (X.V11R4).  


\leftindent{The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable user-interface toolkit that 
runs under X11. It provides a dynamically-loadable object-oriented environment 
wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. Thus, one could use our 
'generic-object' editor (ez) to edit text that, in addition to containing 
multiple fonts, contains embedded raster images, spreadsheets, drawing 
editors, equations, simple animations, etc.. These embedded objects could 
themselves contain other objects, including text. With the toolkit, 
programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as easily as those 
that come with the system. Many objects, including those mentioned above, 
along with a help system, a system monitoring tool (console), an editor based 
shell interface (typescript), and support for printing multi-media documents, 
are included in the release, making it useful to programmers and 
non-programmers alike. 


The Andrew Message System(AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and 
bulletin-boards.  AMS contains many advanced  features including 
authentication, return receipts, automatic sorting of mail, vote collection 
and tabulation, enclosures, audit trails of related messages, and subscription 
management. It also provides a variety of interfaces that support ttys and 
low-function personal computers in addition to the high-function workstations. 




The ODA Tool Kit provides low level support for multi-media documents 
represented using the standard: ISO 8613 "Office Document Architecture".

}
This release of Andrew contains hundreds of bug fixes, updates and 
improvements in both code and documentation. They also contains a variety of 
new facilities. The major differences are:

\leftindent{
- File names and code have been reworked to support System V Unix.


- The class system has been reorganized to allow easier porting to new 
systems.


(Programs for updating old ATK source code to use the new file names and class 
conventions are included)

}
New additions include:


\leftindent{- A full release of ADEW, a direct-manipulation application 
builder.


- A new embedded language for controlling insets, Ness.


- A collection of data visualization insets, such as chart and bush.


- Footnotes, tables of contents, indexing and page breaks within text.


- A "hyperlink" inset for connecting together files.


- Example files from Nathaniel Borenstein's book (see below) on the Andrew 
Tool Kit.


- An improved collection of specialized text editors for C, Modula 2, Modula 
3, Pascal and Lisp .


- The entire Andrew Message System including the remote message server, a 
delivery system supporting multiple post office machines, and white pages 
lookup.


- Support for IBM 3117 scanners.


- ODA support, including sample translators between ODA and Andrew, from ODA 
to Interleaf and troff, and general tool kits for ODA and raster applications.

}
This release contains Andrew materials developed elsewhere, including 
materials from HP, Apollo, IBM, McDonnell Douglas, Interleaf, Northrop, 
Wollongong and NYSER. If you have materials you would like us to distribute 
with ATK, please let us know.


We routinely use this software at CMU. As a result, there are numerous places 
in the system construction process where we assume that various files, 
programs and machines are available. We attempted to remove all of these 
dependencies in this release. If you find some CMU dependency that we missed, 
please let us know. This release has been built on Sun-3s, Sun-4s, Vaxes, 
PMaxes and HP's AUX. As of when we froze the source for MIT there was a minor 
bug that interrupted the compile and build on IBM RTs running AOS (BSD Unix) 
or AIX.  This and subsequent patches are currently available as outlined 
below.


This release can be obtained in several ways.  The entire X distribution is 
available via anonymous ftp from the Internet host, expo.lcs.mit.edu 
(Internet: 18.30.0.212).  The sources for ATK, AMS and ODA are located in the 
"andrew" tree,  one of the contributed tool kits. Just the "andrew" tree from 
the X distribution,  as well as the latest patches,  is available via 
anonymous ftp from the Internet host, emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu 
(Internet:128.2.30.62).


Copies of the entire X distribution software can also be obtained, for the 
nominal X11 distribution charge, by contacting:

\leftindent{
MIT Software Distribution Center

Technology Licensing Office

Room E32-300

77 Massachusetts Avenue

Cambridge, MA  02139

USA

+1-617-258-8330


}We also distribute the following related materials:


\leftindent{Hardcopies of the documentation for ATK and AMS (available now).

Nathaniel S. Borenstein's book: \italic{Multimedia Applications Development 
with the Andrew Toolkit }(Prentice-Hall, available now).

ODA Project Book: \italic{Multi-media Document Interchange: ODA and the EXPRES 
Project }(Springer Verlag, available soon).

Introductory video tape: \italic{Welcome to Andrew: An Overview of the Andrew 
System}\italic{ }(available now).

Technical video tape: \italic{The Andrew Project: A Session at the Winter 1988 
Usenix Conference}\italic{ }(available now).


}More information about these materials is available from:


\leftindent{Information Requests

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Avenue

Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890

USA

phone: +1-412-268-6700

fax: +1-412-268-6787

info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu

}

We are providing updates to the Andrew software as necessary. These are being 
distributed as patches (for use with the patch program distributed as part of 
the X tape). These patches are being put on both expo (in 
/contrib/andrew/patches) and emsworth (in /patches). In addition, emsworth 
contains three complete distributions: a compressed tar file of the sources on 
the X.V11R4 tape, a compressed tar file of the sources with all patches 
applied, and a complete source tree with all patches applied. Therefore, one 
can retrieve the desired patch files, the latest version of the software, or 
the latest version of any specific file. These files can be retrieved by 
anonymous FTP or by mail.  For more information on mail retrieval of 
information, send a (blank) piece of mail to

andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu


The info-andrew unmoderated distribution list contains informal conversations 
between Andrew users and developers. Send mail to 
info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu to be added to the Andrew mailing list (or 
to request any other service that we provide, like hard copy documentation or 
redistribution of contributed materials). The info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu 
address provides an easy method for reporting bugs in the software to members 
of the ITC (it is not a public distribution list).


There is also a netnews distribution list, called comp.soft-sys.andrew, which 
is identical to the info-andrew distribution list except that it does not 
support the multi-media capabilities of info-andrew.


Finally, there is an andrew-demos mailing list to which interesting 
ATK/Messages demos are sometimes posted (you must have AMS running to see the 
demos).  To subscribe, send mail to andrew-demos-request@andrew.cmu.edu.

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Subject: Re:  porting atk to VMS ?
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The dynamic loading is probably not the hard part of porting
to VMS. VMS actually has a callable dynamic loader, in the form
of the 'lib_$find_symbol' library call. This call takes an object file
name and a symbol name. It loads the object file and returns a pointer
to the given symbol (if present).  For an example of layer ATK on top
of an existing dynamic loader look at the Apollo specific code, which
uses the existing Apollo/Domain-OS dynamic loader.

My guess as to what will be hardest to do is asynchronous I/O handling
(read select). Since, last time I looked, VMS didn't provide a select
as part of their C Library, you'll have to dummy up your own (using
event flags I guess). The other problems that you encounter will probably
have to do with terminal IO (setting PTY characteristics), and differences
in signal handling.

I don't think its an entirely crazy idea. Did'nt someone at IBM do a trial
port to OS/2 ? So in theory it is possible to port away from Unix.

-- Geoff Wyant
wyant@saber.com
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I think there is a unix-type compatibility library for VMS.  I know that CUI
was ported to VMS and part of that involved using this library for socket
and select emulation.  You might want to contact the Computer Center at
CMU or your local DECUS chapter.

--marc

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From: Rudolf Nottrott <rnott@lternet.washington.edu>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Printing *.help files


It used to be possible to print andrew/help/*.help files
on a VT100 teminal with

'ezprint -t filename | nroff".

This does not seem possible any longer (ezprint no longer there?).
Is there any way of achieving the same result?
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There are two options for Unix compatibility:

1. VAX-C 3.0 plus the DECShell and VMS connection (UCX...something or
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We are interested, as DSI of USM (Dipartimento di Scienze dell' Informazione
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We have obtained from Internet machines the version 3.0 of the Public Domain
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Since patchlevel 7 there is support for 8-bit characters (ISO 8859) in the ATK 
(they told...:-)).


But how can i get my a-umlaut, u-umlaut and so on in ez (for example) ?


Thanks in advance,


Juergen.


_________________________________________________________________________

Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4571109306::JUH_IPA

Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

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\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 7-Nov-90 8-bit characters, how to 
use ? Juergen Henke@qt.ipa.fhg (446+0)}


\quotation{Since patchlevel 7 there is support for 8-bit characters (ISO 8859) 
in the ATK (they told...:-)).

}
\quotation{But how can i get my a-umlaut, u-umlaut and so on in ez (for 
example) ?

}
\quotation{Thanks in advance,

}
\quotation{Juergen.

}
\quotation{____________________________________________________________________\
_____

}\quotation{Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail 
PSI%4571109306::JUH_IPA

}\quotation{Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

}\quotation{Eierstrasse 46, D-7000 Stuttgart 1

}
\\Warning\{\\German\{


\indent{J\^{|}rgen.


Du kannst mit  "\italic{help compchar}" hilfe finden. Ich brauche 8-bits um 
Schwedisch zu schreiben, und es funktzioniert ganz fein. 


Um \^{d} zu schreiben, versuch mit  \example{\bold{^X-v a:<ret>}.} Es scheint 
etwa kompliziert, aber es gibt m\^{v}glichkeiten um ein mehr einfach 
verwendergrenzschnitt zu spezifizieren.


\smaller{Bitte entschuldigen Sie mir f\^{|}r meinen schlecten Deutschen 
Grammatik, aber es war unwiederst\^{d}ndlich zu beweisen das es wirklich 
funkzioniert. D.h. wenn Du dieses Brief mit "\italic{messages}" lest.}

}
\}

\}


Please excuse me for writing the above in German, it's probably bad grammar, 
but I couldn't resist the temptation of showing some of the possibilites.


Those of you who read this on usenet or as unformatted mail probably saw 
strange characters instead of u-umlaut, a-umlaut etc. This is because 
unformatting ATK mail just strips the 8-th bit, and u-umlaut becomes |, 
a-umlaut becomes d and o-umlaut becomes v. There are routines in ATK to make 
more sane conversions, but I've never figured out where unformatting of mail 
is done, and how it should be possible to use the compchar routines there, but 
maybe some of the ATK gurus could tell me.


I think an \bold{8-bit RFC822} would help a bit.




Chris.

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---

Christer Bernerus \italic{			}! E-mail: bernerus@cs.chalmers.se

Chalmers University of Technology		! Phone: +46 31 721000

Department of Computer Science		! \italic{Ham radio: SM6FBQ	144.3 MHz}

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In the near future, I'll be writing a utility to convert Zip-format
files to a local metafile format.  Is there documentation on how Zip
encodes its data or is my best shot to look at the source code?
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Try  "help -m keyword"

The "-m" switch basically means "act like the man command" -- i.e. work
on a normal UNIX terminal.  It's a bit slow, but it works.  -- Nathaniel
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ezscan isn't a large program, so it shouldn't be hard to port.


The biggest part of the work is to get the device control parts done.  On the 
RT this is done by reading and writing directly to /dev/bus.


Good luck,

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from nebraska: 8-Nov-90 bug in help (ATK) 
james@engrs.unl.edu (513)}


\quotation{So, what's this about the help bug?  Dav tells me that it has to do 
with} \quotation{the socket that help opens??? The Scenario was:  Somebody was 
rlogin'd to} \quotation{my machine, and happened to be running help.  I then 
did a help, and it} \quotation{went to his window...  (it was a little longer 
than that, but that's what} \quotation{really happened).

}
\quotation{Is this supposedly in the list of things to do for Andrew (if you 
know?)} \quotation{I was going to send it to info-andrew, but, if they already 
know about it} \quotation{it'd probably be kind of pointless...

}
\quotation{Thanks

}\quotation{James

}

Why don't you send the bug to info-andrew any way.  We told them awhile back 
(before patch 1) and I've never seen anything come of it.  The problem with 
their code is that they start a socket on the machine.  When you type 'help' 
again, it goes to the same help window rather than opening a new window - 
that's their feature.  The misfeature is that you can only have one help 
socket per machine - it isn't per user but per machine.  What they should do 
is incorporate the user's id into the socket name.


Ah, instead of you sending them a note, I'll just cc them on this one.


   - Anthony



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Many people reading Christer's reply may wonder why they didn't see the 
advertised umlaut's. As he mentioned, we don't currently have a good solution 
for those reading unformatted mail . But if you normally get  formatted mail 
and are having problems, the following  should help you fix things up.


If the second letter in J\^{|}rgen appears as an u-umlaut, you are in good 
shape, ignore this message.


If it appears as a  vertical bar (J|rgen), then you are running a fairly old 
version of ATK. If you expose styles, you will note an undefined style around 
the bar with the name '@' (i.e. \\@\{|\}). This is how we specified that the 
high-bit should be turned on. It is backward compatible in that if this file 
is rewritten, the old ATK  maintains the information. Patches are available to 
upgrade you to a more recent version; see the recent post by Susan 
(\italic{Re: What is andrew (CMU, I know that!) ?}).


If it appears as a hex number ( J\\374rgen), this indicates that you have the 
right version of ATK, but are using the wrong fonts. If you have all of the 
fonts that came with that X11.R4 distribution from MIT, this can be fixed by 
installing the non-andrew font alias file as either the standard font alias 
file for your system, or for yourself on an individual basis. 


To make it standard for your system, just copy 
<ANDREW_SOURCE_DIR>/xmkfontd/non-andrew.fonts.alias to 
$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts/fonts.alias, and either restart x or run' xset fp rehash'. 
 Once installed and working, you will be able to delete the cou* hel* and tim* 
font files from $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts, since they will be replaced by their ISO 
counterparts from the R4 distribution. I would recommend that all sites that 
expect to use this feature install this alias file. We will try to get 
something put in the next patch that will set this up automatically according 
to a site.mcr file variable.


To install it on an individual basis, do something like

\leftindent{mkdir ~/myxfonts

mkfontdir ~/myxfonts

cp  ANDREW_SOURCE_DIR/xmkfontd/non-andrew.fonts.alias  ~/myxfonts/fonts.alias

xset +fp ~/myxfonts

xset fp rehash

}The xset +fp call can be added to your .xinitrc file to add the directory 
when you start up X.


Note: Once this alias file is installed, users will note greater space between 
lines of text in ez, messages, etc. This is not a bug, it simply reflects the 
fact that the height of these fonts has to be greater, in order to allow room 
for accents over capital letters.


At this point, you should hopefully be able to view files containing ISO 
characters. For help in entering these characters, see the help file on cpchar 
(run \italic{help cpchar}).  Other information is given in my '\italic{ATK + 
8859 = Multi-lingual Text and Mail}' paper in the recent EUUG (now Europen) 
proceedings. 


While I am at it, I would like to that Rob Ryan for all of his work in getting 
the ISO stuff together. Thanks Rob!


If you have more problems or questions, please let us know.


	Regards,


		Tom N.

---------------------------

Tom Neuendorffer 	(tpn@andrew.cmu.edu)

Manager-ATK Group

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Ave.

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 >The dynamic loading is probably not the hard part of porting
 >to VMS. VMS actually has a callable dynamic loader, in the form
 >of the 'lib_$find_symbol' library call. This call takes an object file
 >name and a symbol name. It loads the object file and returns a pointer
 >to the given symbol (if present).  For an example of layer ATK on top
 >of an existing dynamic loader look at the Apollo specific code, which
 >uses the existing Apollo/Domain-OS dynamic loader.

Or the IBM RISC System/6000 dynamic loader, which uses the existing AIX
3.1 dynamic loader.

Bear in mind, though, that both those schemes depend on the ability to
mark a particular symbol in the dynamically loaded file as
"distinguished" by making it the "entry point symbol"; I don't know if
the VMS dynamic loader has this facility, but the SunOS 4.1/System V
Release 4 dynamic loader does *not*, as far as I know, so you may have
to look up that symbol explicitly.  The way that seemed to work in my
cobbled-up prototype for SunOS 4.1/S5R4 is to do:

	/*
	 * Construct name of GetClassInfo symbol from the package name
	 * by stripping off the suffix and appending "__GetClassInfo".
	 * You can't get the entry point value from a shareable object
	 * from the "dl*()" routines, which is why we have to do this
	 * stuff.
	 * We strip off the suffix because "doindex", curse its soul,
	 * hands us the last component of the name of the *file* as
	 * the package name, suffix and all.
	 */
	(void) strcpy(epname, name);
	p = strrchr(epname, '.');
	if (p == NULL)
		p = epname + strlen(epname);
	(void) strcpy(p, "__GetClassInfo");

to construct the name of the symbol in question.  "name" is the second
argument to "doload".  The "path" (fifth) argument is the actual
pathname of the file to be loaded.

Note also that you will have to ensure that some symbols in the "class"
loader code are accessible to the dynamic loader, as the
dynamically-loaded object may refer to them (e.g.,
"class_RoutineStruct").  This appears to require varying amounts of
hackery on Domain/OS and AIX 3.1, and also requires hackery in SunOS
4.1/S5R4:

	in Domain/OS, "doload()" explicilty calls the loader to add them
	to the Known Global Table;

	in AIX 3.1, the "class" loader ".o" files are linked together
	into a single ".o" file and the linker is explicitly told to
	export them;

	in SunOS 4.1 and (probably) S5R4, the best or maybe even only
	way to do so is to make "libclass.a" into a *shared* library.

(No, the prototype doesn't really "work" - I hand-built pieces of it
instead of changing the Imakefiles, and I've only tested it with the
stuff in the "overhead/class/testing" directory, not with ATK itself. 
I've no idea when I'll do anything further on it, and there are some
unresolved issues waiting some responses to mail I sent out....)
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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
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attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
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attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
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Ah, Good!  I thought the ATK team had missplace that bug report or something, 
but alas I was wrong.

   - \underline{Anthony}

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\quotation{Hi Bill.  Query:  Does your fix to PS/2 %_symbols also eliminate 
the }\quotation{silly symbols that got malloc in trouble?  In other words, can 
you now }\quotation{use the ITCmalloc?

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YES!


-wdc

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I am trying to build a private bboard and following the instructions
in the document privbb.help. I created a file .MS.DirectPost in the
directory ~/.MESSAGES_PUBLIC liked that

        0
        sung+andrew@w2sun2

According to the document, now others can send messages to
"sung+andrew@w2sun2", but when I tried it; cui can't reconize this
address. We are using BSD mail instead of AMDS here. Does .MS.DirectPost
only work in AMDS?

                                                Wai-kong, Sung
                                                CCL/ITRI
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\quotation{Mail unformatting is done by the 
andrew/overhead/mail/lib/unscribe.c

}\quotation{module.  Is it always obvious how to turn accented characters into

}\quotation{non-accented ones?  I know some of the rules in German (what turns 
into

}\quotation{(e.g.) oe, ae, ue, ss), but what rules apply to other languages? 

}\quotation{Swedish, for instance?

}
\quotation{Certainly the unscribe.c module pre-dates any consideration of 
8-bit

}\quotation{characters.

}
\quotation{		Craig


}Thanks for pointing out unscribe.c for me. I had a look at it but it doesn't 
seem trivial to enhance it the way I wanted.


What I had in mind was to use the compchar character table which allows for 
"customary local replacements". Preferably using the \italic{ATKToASCII} 
function in \italic{textaux/compchar.c}, but  it doesn't seem as if unscribe.c 
was a part of the object-oriented stuff in ATK, so I'm very unsure how to do 
it in a proper way. It can of course be done as a "hack", but I feel that's a 
bit dangerous if e.g the \italic{lib/compchar/comps} format changes.


Regarding the way conversions should be done, there are usually many ways of 
doing this, even within a country, institution, group etc. So the problem 
isn't trivial, especially not for a mail gateway which does the unformatting. 
E.g. mail from Sweden containing  \^{e}, \^{d},  \^{v} and even \^{|} should 
probably be replaced with \}, \{ | and u, but if the letter came from Germany, 
maybe the replacements should be (there's no \^{e} in germany) , ae, oe and ue 
respectively. Converting the other way round is definitely non-trivial, 
epecially if the latter replacements are used.


In my opinion, the only thing that really helps for the (nearest) future is 
an\bold{ 8-bit extension to RFC822} which would make it "legal" to write 
mailers which support 8 bit mail transparently. It doesn't solve the whole 
world's problems though.


Chris.\
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The problem isn't .MS.DirectPost, it's what you put in it.  What goes
there has to be a valid address.  sung+andrew is simply not a valid
address in a normal BSD delivery environment.  (With AMDS, a valid
userid can be followed by a plus sign and ANY string, but this is not
true with BSD mail delivery.)

To obtain the same kind of functionality with BSD/sendmail delivery, you
can hide the informaton in the RFC822 route phrase, using an address of
the following form:

sung+andrew <sung>

or, if you prefer

sung+andrew <sung@w2sun2>

Either of these should work fine, at least if you've upgraded to Andrew
patch level 6 or higher.  

Let me know if that isn't clear.  -- Nathaniel
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Indeed, unscribe.c is not part of ATK at all, but has been a wart on the side. 
 It is used by several non-ATK programs (the AMS message server, AMDS, CUI, 
VUI) that don't need the overhead (distribution-time, build-time, and 
execution-time) of getting involved in dynamic loading.


Fortunately, unscribe makes no pretensions at being able to invert its 
transformations.  It does enough interpretations that doing so would be 
impossible.  Thus, a run through UnScribe is a known way to lose information.


As you suggest, the issue for a mail gateway is non-trivial, and the reason is 
the same reason that the ``customary local replacements'' are important.


Does 8-bit RFC822 mail really solve any problems?  What are recipients in 
Germany supposed to do with Swedish \^{e}, since their displays can't handle 
it?  What are they supposed to do with upside-down question marks (\^{?})?  We 
would always have the problem of the ``local extensions,'' no?


I could imagine doing worse things than reading the local-extensions table in 
unscribe.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 9-Nov-90 Re: 8-bit characters, how t.. 
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\quotation{Does 8-bit RFC822 mail really solve any problems?  What are 
recipients

}\quotation{in Germany supposed to do with Swedish e, since their displays 
can't

}\quotation{handle it?  What are they supposed to do with upside-down question 
marks

}\quotation{(?)?  We would always have the problem of the ``local 
extensions,'' no?

}
\quotation{I could imagine doing worse things than reading the 
local-extensions

}\quotation{table in unscribe.

}
\quotation{		Craig

}
Craig, there's of course a problem with the swedish e (e| ?), but most of the 
special (country specific) characters are in ISO 8859. So a 8 bit RFC 822 
would help a lot to those outside the (native) english speaking world...


	J\^{|}rgen


P.S.: You notice the u-umlaut in my name ? :-) or :-( ?


_________________________________________________________________________

Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4571109306::JUH_IPA

Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

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----------------------


\section{Machine-specific preferences}


\leftindent{If you need to have preferences that are only active on a specific 
machine or sys-type (rt, sun3, vax), you can use the following preference 
forms:


\bold{?M=\italic{machine.name:preference}

?S=\italic{systype:preference}}


For example, the following line would cause typescripts you start while on the 
machine "pgh.andrew.cmu.edu" to be 600x600 pixels.


?M=pgh.andrew.cmu.edu:typescript.geometry:600x600}


------------------------------------------------------------


I know that the ?M directive works since I have the line:


?M=lombard:messages.SurrogateHelpFile:  /afs/northstar/user/kriso/todo


in my preferences file and messages does pull up my todo list.  However,

when I have the following lines in my preferences file:


?S=sun4_40:ez.BackgroundColor: gold

?S=sun4_40:ez.ForegroundColor: #800000


nothing happens.


We are running AFS 3.0 and so I suspected that maybe /usr/afsws/bin/sys

(Transarc's version of 'sys') was getting executed instead of 

/usr/andrew/bin/sys.  That's why I chose sun4_40.  Both 'sys' commands

return the same string on a Sun4/110.


If I yank out the ?S=sun4_40, ez behaves as expected.


What's going wrong here??????



			-Kris

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The directive that's being checked in the version of Andrew that you have is 
?C, not ?S.  ?C is mnemonic for the ``cputype'' program that predated ``sys''. 
 I believe that the next Andrew patch will make this ?S to conform to the 
documentation, or else will change the documentation to use ?C to conform to 
the implementation.


The systype value is the one selected at compile time, generally from the 
installed system.h file.  It could be overridden (with a compiler warning) 
only if that file (\{andrew\}/overhead/util/lib/config.c) includes any AFS .h 
files that override the SYS_NAME or OPSYSNAME definitions.  As it happens, 
config.c never includes any such files.


The malloc(2) call on line 144 of config.c (storing into ``envar'') represents 
a storage leak: the space allocated is never freed or reused.  There should be 
a simple ``free(envar)'' after the call to getenv(envar).


		Craig

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	Can anyone tell me if the flames function UserAnyRightToDir is available in 
the ATK 11.0 version of FLAMES?


		Stephen Chan

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I have some difficulties getting printing to work with multi-media docs.
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We do have GNU groff, which should be 'highly compatible' with ditroff
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I'm tring to make Andrew on a HP9000/370 running HP-UX 7.0. I've run into a
couple of problems. The second one has me stopped. I'd appreciate any
assistance you can give me.

First problem: imake generates unusable Makefiles. The problem seems to be
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  The -P flag diables that behavior, so I set IMAKEINCLUDE='-I. -P' and
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Second problem: executable not found: /usr/local/bin/makedepend.  I know
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Makedepend comes from the X.V11R4 tape (I believe from sources located in 
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--fish\
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I don't know if this has already been reported or not, but it seems
like this is annoying enough to mention again.

When makedo gets installed in /usr/andrew/bin, install creates a
subdirectory called makedo and then makedo.csh is copied into the
subdirectory.  Consequently, when makedo is executed, the make
exits with 'Permission denined' which is appropriate when a
directory is executed.  

The install command in ./overhead/class/machdep/sun_sparc is:

install -c -m 0555 makedo.csh /usr/andrew/bin/makedo

To get around this, you just have to make sure that 
/usr/andrew/bin/makedo exists as a file, not a directory before
the 'install' command is executed.

This is on a Sun4/110 running SunOS4.0.3c


			-Kris
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Subject: Patch to enable Duplex preference as documented.

The preferences help page says there is a preference "Duplex" to enable
processing for duplex printers.

There was no support in txttroff.c for this preference.  Instead duplex
print processing was enabled by default.

At mit we needed to have Simplex printing to be the default and an easy
way to switch between them that did not involve users resorting to troff.

The following patch to txttroff.c enables it to conform to the
documented printing procedure:  If the Duplex preference is true, the
initial troff output sets the number register DP to be 0 (which enables
recto/verso headers and footers).  If the Duplex preference is false, DP
is 1 which sets up simplex printing.

Additionally, the following has been done which goes beyond the spec:

1. Following the convention of controlling if the table of Contents is
printed, there is a #define DUPLEXBYDEFAULT FALSE which is the
hard-coded fallback if now preference is set.

2. Continuing with the convention, an enviornment variable Duplex is
checked, and if it exists and does not have a value beginning with 'N'
or 'n' it will override the Duplex preference.

3. I broke the comment on the #define CONTENTSBYDEFAULT with a newline
instead of many tabs.

Share and enjoy,
Next we get a 7 foot sofa to turn a 6 foot corner.

-wdc

Here is the patch:

*** /tmp/,RCSt1012542	Mon Nov 12 16:42:08 1990
--- txttroff.c	Mon Nov 12 16:40:02 1990
***************
*** 88,94 ****
  
  #define ENDNOTESONLY FALSE /* Administrators should define as TRUE if
local troff can't support footnotes */
  #define	CONTENTSBYDEFAULT FALSE	/* define the default behavior
regarding the printing of tables 
!                                                              of 
contents if the appropriate styles are present */
  #define ENUMERATE 
  #define INDENTSPACE 6
  #ifdef ENUMERATE
--- 88,96 ----
  
  #define ENDNOTESONLY FALSE /* Administrators should define as TRUE if
local troff can't support footnotes */
  #define	CONTENTSBYDEFAULT FALSE	/* define the default behavior
regarding the printing of tables 
!   of  contents if the appropriate styles are present */
! #define	DUPLEXBYDEFAULT	FALSE	/* default behavior: simplex printing or
duplex printing */
! 
  #define ENUMERATE 
  #define INDENTSPACE 6
  #ifdef ENUMERATE
***************
*** 127,132 ****
--- 129,135 ----
  
  static struct text_statevector sv, nsv;     /* Current and new state
vectors */
  static boolean printContents; /* Flag to indicate if we are printing a
table of contents */
+ static boolean printDuplex; /* Flag to indicate if we process for
duplex printing. */
  static struct {
      char *fontname;
      char *fontcodes[9];
***************
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          fputs(".sp 0.5i\n", f);     /* Space down for start of page */
! 	fputs(".nr DP 0\n", f);
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  	i = strlen(fonttable[dFont].fontcodes[dFace]);
  		/* set font for footnote number in text, I assume here that
--- 550,568 ----
  
  
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+ 
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! 	    printDuplex = (*val == 'n' || *val == 'N')? FALSE:TRUE;
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Out of curiosity - have you tried using the install program that comes with 
the Andrew distribution?  If it works at all - it will also make the problem 
you're running into go away - as it doesn't gratuitously create directories 
upon installation.


I mention this because if you're getting burnt by makedo - chances are that 
there are a number of other things being installed incorrectly on your system 
(at least from the Andrew distribution).


--fish

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This is properly a complaint about the ``install'' program, not about Andrew's 
use of it.  Where are you getting your ``install'' program?


The one that comes with AFS has exactly the property you describe: it creates 
subdirectories that are unexpected by the Andrew installation mechanism, but 
that are important for installing AFS.  I believe that it accepts the ``-f'' 
command-line option, though, to treat the final target as a file name rather 
than as a directory name.


My recommendation would be to use the ``install'' program that comes with the 
Andrew distribution.


		Craig

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    We are about to go to release 4.1 from 4.0.3 using SUN-4 hardware.
Apparently there are or were some difficulties in getting andrew to
run on this configuration.  Do you know if andrew will now run on
release 4.1 and/or how hard it is to port it?

Thanks for your help!

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\quotation{    We are about to go to release 4.1 from 4.0.3 using SUN-4 
hardware.

}\quotation{Apparently there are or were some difficulties in getting andrew 
to

}\quotation{run on this configuration.  Do you know if andrew will now run on

}\quotation{release 4.1 and/or how hard it is to port it?

}
Andrew will compile in a much more clean fashion on that platform as of the 
next patch (PL#8).

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Thanks! I found it on the first "reel" of the MIT X11R4 tape. (in path
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     We've built andrew, patch level 7, on an IBM RT
running the UNIX 4.3 BSD operating system.  Everything
works and looks fine, except for the console monitor:
the fonts in the console window have a speckled appearance,
as if certain pixels aren't being turned on.  Window
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this problem?


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Yeah.  I finally found out why help was core dumping in 


help__InitializeClass.


It is related to my last info-andrew report regarding installs

behavior on the Sun 4/110 I've been building the release on.


Here's the problem.


In /afs/..../src/andrew/helpindex, the Makefile installs 

help.ovrvw  and help.prgms as follows:


install -c -m 0444 help.ovrvw $\{DESTDIR\}/lib/help.overviews

install -c -m 0444 help.prgms $\{DESTDIR\}/lib/help.programs


Well, install is creating directories instead of files, so... what you have is

(if $DESTDIR == /usr/andrew)


/usr/andrew/lib/help.overviews/help.ovrvw , and

/usr/andrew/lib/help.programs/help.prgms.


When help tries to open these directories as files and reads them, ... BARFO!


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 13-Nov-90 Re: makedo bad install on S.. 
Craig_Everhart@transarc. (586)}


\quotation{This is properly a complaint about the ``install'' program, not 
about

}\quotation{Andrew's use of it.  Where are you getting your ``install'' 
program?

}
\quotation{The one that comes with AFS has exactly the property you describe: 
it

}\quotation{creates subdirectories that are unexpected by the Andrew 
installation

}\quotation{mechanism, but that are important for installing AFS.  I believe 
that it

}\quotation{accepts the ``-f'' command-line option, though, to treat the final

}\quotation{target as a file name rather than as a directory name.

}
\quotation{My recommendation would be to use the ``install'' program that 
comes

}\quotation{with the Andrew distribution.

}
\quotation{		Craig

}

I just typed \bold{which install} and got \italic{/usr/afsws/bin/install} as 
my response.

You were right on the nail Craig.  I will make sure that I put 
/usr/bin/install

in my system.mcr file or something similar so that this won't happen

again.  


I believe that this was also messing up my attempts to debug runapp.  I

installed a debugged version of runapp, but whenever I ran gdb, there

was no symbol table.  I eventually just copied the new runapp binary

into /usr/andrew/bin/runapp.


\bold{SO THE MORALE HERE IS:}

if you are using AFS 3.x, make sure that \bold{install} from AFS isn't being 
used

when you're making the ATK suite of apps.




			-Kris Olander

			 Project NORTHSTAR

			 Dartmouth College

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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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In the "config/imake.tmpl" file, it figures out whether to use the SunOS
3.5 "system.mcr" or the SunOS 4.0 "system.mcr" by doing:

	#if defined(mc68020) || defined(sun3) /* sun3 */
	#ifndef sunV3
	#define sunV3 0
	#endif /* sunV3 */
	#if sunV3
	#include <sun3_35/system.mcr>
	#define MacroIncludeFile sun3_35/system.mcr
	#else /* sunV3 */
	#include <sun3_4/system.mcr>
	#define MacroIncludeFile sun3_4/system.mcr
	#endif /* sunV3 */
	#endif /* sun3 */

I didn't see anything in the README file that specifies any mechanism
for setting "sunV3", nor did I see any definitions of it, other than the
one listed above, in any of the files in the "config" directory.  Is it
set automatically somehow (although I couldn't see anything in the X11R4
"imake" that did it, nor in any of the MIT configuration files), or is
there something you're supposed to do to build Andrew under SunOS 3.5?

(I'm not asking because I want to build it under 3.5; we don't have any
machines running anything before 4.0.  I'm adding new stuff for building
it under SunOS 4.1, so that it can use the SunOS 4.1 dynamic loader to
load up ".do" files and also perhaps so that it can do the right thing
to deal with 4.1's POSIX-compliant tty driver, and may have to resort to
doing the same thing for 4.1 that's done for 3.5.)
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Unfortunately this is indeed a weak-spot - sunV3  is a defined symbol if you 
are using the compiler and preprocessor that comes with a sun3/50 -- however 
if you go to use another compiler, like gcc, this symbol will not be defined.


I have no idea what later versions of Sun's compiler (and/or preprocessors) do 
or don't define.


--fish

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If your monitor is a megapel, you should pick up the 'official' X11 fixes from 
MIT (ftp to expo.lcs.mit.edu, pick up the fixes under pub/R4/fixes).  The 
person here who know's about mpels is away for a few days, but  this may 
 help. 


Sincerely, 


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Group




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Subject: Andrew fonts under OpenWindows 2.0?

Can someone mail me the correct magic to setup the Andrew fonts for use by
andrew applications under OpenWindows 2.0?

I've done a straight set of "convertfont" and "bldfamily" runs which got
most things working, however I must still need some aliases or something
else as a few fonts are not working.  The most noteable problem is the
symbols used by messages.

Thanks!

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Nov-90 zip color preferences Anthony 
Edwards@elysees. (504+0)}


\quotation{I tries putting an entry in my preferences:

}
\quotation{	zip.ForegroundColor:  darkgreen

}\quotation{	zip.BackgroundColor:  lightgray

}
\quotation{but they were ignored.  Is there any way to set the colors in the 
zip window now?

}

I tried this as well.  I observed the behavior you describe.  Those colors 
aren't listed in /usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt.  If they were listed and defined, I bet 
it would work.  I can't imagine why this behavior would have changed since 
PL4.


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\quotation{Is there a faster way of using colors?  For any particular window I 
may set foreground and background colors hundreds of times while painting the 
window.  Is the slow painting due to the R3 X server? I know R4 is faster.

}
The only way I can see to speed it up would be to not make a call to set the 
fore- or background color unless the current settings are not what you want:


#define myview_ForegroundColor(self) \\

self->header.view.drawable->foreName


#define myview_BackgroundColor(self) \\

self->header.view.drawable->backName


#define SetForeground(self,foreground) \\

if(strcmp(foreground,myview_ForegroundColor(self)) \\

myview_SetForegroundColor(self,foreground,0,0,0);


#define SetBackground(self,background) \\

if(strcmp(background,myview_BackgroundColor(self)) \\

myview_SetBackgroundColor(self,background,0,0,0);


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Nov-90 ATK Color Support Mark 
Turner@rchland.ibm. (1036+0)}


\quotation{Also, Is there a way to set colors on menu cards? on scroll bars?

}

Scoll bars get the color that is set for the application via the preferences 
*.ForegroundColor & *.BackgroundColor or through the command-line switches -bg 
& -fg.


Try 'help cmenu' for info on how to set menu colors.  

Brief synopsis: in ~/.XDefaults add the lines:


*MenuBackground: red

*MenuForeground: blue


There is no programatic way to set the menu colors.

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The suite layout system is very powerful and very convenient.

Unfortunately, it's slow.
I shaved a perceptable amount of time off the constructin of a dialogue
box by building buttons by hand rather than calling suite.

Perhaps the problem is that in order to do even the simplest thing 4
reasonably sized objects must be dynamically loaded.  I'm not sure if I
would want to increase runapp by 100 K to enable statically linked code
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What are the bottlenecks here?

How can I help suite get higher performance?

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A complete set of the OpenWindows Andrew font binaries is available for
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Remember to set type image before retrieving, and try to avoid doing so
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I don't know if X (or our?) color code is case sensitive or not - but 
according to the R4 rgb.txt you could have:


	DarkGreen  -or- "dark green"

	LightGray -or- "light gray"


Perhaps that might be the source of problem?


--fish

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.cmu.info-andrew: 29-Oct-90 Re: setting
default colors Gary Keim@RCHGATE.rchlan (958+0)}


\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 25-Oct-90 setting default
colors Dave Gross@rchland.iinus (644)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{This won't work in InitializeObject because I don't have
a "drawable"}} \quotation{\quotation{yet.  If I wait until InsertView or
something, the default colors for}} \quotation{\quotation{the graphic are
already set.  I would like these defaults to be used by}}
\quotation{\quotation{all subwindows of this view.

}}
\quotation{Yes, check for the display-class in either the InsertView of
FullUpdate methods.  There is a single DefaultForeground and DefaultBackground
color for all graphics in the process.  When a view is inserted into the
view-tree, it's fore- and background colors are set to the defaults.  A view
can then set it's own colors or just go with the defaults by taking no action.

}
\quotation{In conclusion, set the default fore- and background color when you
test for the display-class.  If they've already been set, that's OK.  Unless
your child views reset the defaults or set their own view-specific colors,
your default settings will come through.

}
I finally got around to trying this and it still doesn't work.  The problem
still is that if I wait until \typewriter{InsertView} of the parent view, all
the subwindows' graphics have been set up (i.e., they have read in the default
colors from \typewriter{graphic} before I get a chance to change them).


Is there any other way, or can this be fixed?


Thanks,

-- Dave

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matts@slug.eecs.unsw.oz.au (Matthew Smith) writes:
>So all I want to know is, what the hell is alt.support supposed
>to support?

I've got a problem with the Andrew Message Delivery System.  How is it
supposed to validate users in foreign cells?  It appears as if it must be
doing a remote white pages query,  but how does it decide which cell's white
pages to look at?  Also, how does it know that service/wp is the proper
(default) directory to examine?

Could someone give me some support on this?

Paul
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I'm trying to figure out how one gets mail fed into messages.  I understand
that one method is to run "eatmail".  How?  I've yet to find documentation
describing how you do this.

Also, is there a collected set of hints and how-to's for andrew and in
particular messages?  I'd like to do things like switch off the multi-media
stuff for selected recipients, automatically removed really old mail from
folders, etc, etc.  Some hints and examples would really help!

--Dwight D. McKay, ECN Workstation Software Support
--Phone: 43561, Office: MSEE 104f
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Could you post or e-mail a suite_Specification structure that is slow.

thanks,
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>    We are about to go to release 4.1 from 4.0.3 using SUN-4 hardware.
>Apparently there are or were some difficulties in getting andrew to
>run on this configuration.  Do you know if andrew will now run on
>release 4.1 and/or how hard it is to port it?

The ATK tree that I built under 4.0.3 *runs* just fine under 4.1; I've
not tried to rebuild it. (this is in a Sun 3)

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From: mojo!eng.umd.edu!cross@mimsy.umd.edu  (Chris P. Ross)
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In article <sbE4SnO00VsWI766p8@andrew.cmu.edu>, gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim) writes:
> Excerpts from misc: 12-Nov-90 SUN OS 4.1 Bill Zaumen@NISC.SRI.COM (281)
> 
> >     We are about to go to release 4.1 from 4.0.3 using SUN-4 hardware.
> > Apparently there are or were some difficulties in getting andrew to
> > run on this configuration.  Do you know if andrew will now run on
> > release 4.1 and/or how hard it is to port it?
> 
> Andrew will compile in a much more clean fashion on that platform as of
> the next patch (PL#8).

  Does anyone have any idea when this release is due out?  I've been trying to
get Patch level 007 to compile on a Sun4 SunOS 4.1, and can't for the life of
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you...

                                          - Chris Ross
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Nathaniel,

Again thanks for sending me the reprints concerning the Andrew system I 
requested a month ago. These reprints have awoken my curiosity well enough 
to bother you another time.

In your articles the MIT X-11 tape is mentioned as the main distribution
source for the Andrew Message System. I wonder how to get this tape (or the
Andrew Message System, which would do also). Probably I should go to
someone at MIT but I don't know anyone up there. Besides, we at Digital
Eindhoven are working mainly with VAXstations 3100 running VMS and
DECwindows (the Digital implementation of X-11) and have got a system
manager who hates U*IX, so it is very well possible that AMS won't work at
all (I suppose a VMS version is not available).

Could you please give some hints about the applicability of AMS in our 
environment (only for testing purposes, especially of the voting mechanism) 
and a contact at MIT for a possible purchasing of the X-11 tape?


Thanks,




Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers
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I'm not sure anyone has actually gotten it to work.  But basically, just
putting the .amsalien file is not enough; you must also use CUI to
scavenge or reconstruct the index files, at least as often as you use
the MH "inc" command...  -- Nathaniel
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\quotation{Does anyone have any idea when this release is due out?  I've been 
trying to

}\quotation{get Patch level 007 to compile on a Sun4 SunOS 4.1, and can't for 
the life of

}\quotation{me.  I'd GREATLY appriciate knowing when the next patch is 
available...  Thank

}\quotation{you...

}
We are shooting for the end of this month.

.  

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I run Nathaniel's \typewriter{eatmail} program in a particular context:  My 
mail is delivered to a general-purpose (and oftimes overloaded) machine, but I 
read mail from a variety of workstations.  To do this, I use 
\typewriter{eatmail} to grab mail from the un*x mailbox and move it to 
\typewriter{~/Mailbox}.


\typewriter{eatmail} is run from the per-use crontab available (at least) on 
SunOS 4.0.x.  My crontab includes the following entry (but you can use at jobs 
or any other method to run \typewriter{eatmail} periodically):


\typewriter{\smaller{1,6,11,16,21,26,31,36,41,46,51,56 * * * * eatmail 
-l/u/howard/.EatMailLog


}}The \typewriter{-l/path/to/file} parameter is to make \typewriter{eatmail} 
log something when it grabs some mail.  (If it runs but my mailbox 
(\typewriter{/usr/spool/mail/howard} for me) is empty, \typewriter{eatmail} 
doesn't change my \typewriter{.EatMailLog} file).  I make \typewriter{xbiff} 
look at my mail log via the following line in my \typewriter{.xinitrc}:

\typewriter{\smaller{
xbiff -file /u/howard/.EatMailLog -geometry -1+0 &


}}Finally, I arrange to have mail collection empty \typewriter{.EatMailLog} 
via the following line in my \typewriter{preferences} file:

\typewriter{\smaller{
*.PersonalMailCollectionCommand: cat /dev/null >/u/howard/.EatMailLog


}}There may be a race condition between \typewriter{eatmail} trying to append 
a line to \typewriter{.EatMailLog} and the \typewriter{cat} command run by 
\typewriter{messages/cui/vui} trying to empty \typewriter{.EatMailLog}, but as 
this is just a log file, an error either way is self-correcting and results in 
either (1) I get mail late; or (2) \typewriter{xbiff} claims I got mail when I 
have already examined all new mail.  I haven't run into either situation, so I 
don't think the potential race condition is terribly important.


--------------------------------------------------------------

Howard Bussey <howard@thumper.bellcore.com>

Bellcore Room 2P-288/445 South Street/Morristown NJ 07962-1910

voice: +201 829 44 79; fax: +201 984 22 83

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 16-Nov-90 messages, 
eatmail and other.. Dwight D. McKay@ecn.purd (606)}


\quotation{I'm trying to figure out how one gets mail fed into messages.  I 
understand

}\quotation{that one method is to run "eatmail".  How?  I've yet to find 
documentation

}\quotation{describing how you do this.

}
``eatmail'' is only one method.  Messages should find your mail in 
/usr/spool/mail/mckay just fine by itself.  If it's not doing that, you 
probably need an AndrewSetup file telling it how to do so.  The 
DESTDIR/help/setup.help file should explain this.


\quotation{Also, is there a collected set of hints and how-to's for andrew and 
in

}\quotation{particular messages?  I'd like to do things like switch off the 
multi-media

}\quotation{stuff for selected recipients, automatically removed really old 
mail from

}\quotation{folders, etc, etc.  Some hints and examples would really help!

}
Messages (acting alone) can strip off formatting on a per-message granularity; 
either a message is sent formatted or unformatted, but the same way to all 
recipients.  Your ~/.AMS_aliases file can contain indications of what kinds of 
formatting a given recipient needs; I think that the help file for this is 
DESTDIR/help/msalses.help.


As for removing old mail from folders (presumably public folders), you can use 
the ``epoch'' command in CUI for this.  Check the CUI help files.


		Craig


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In general, mail gets automatically taken from /usr/spool/mail/xxx, and
burst into separate files for each message.  The separate files are
stored in ~/Mailbox.  From there, they are incorporated into your mail
folders -- by default, they go into your "mali" folder, but a FLAMES
program (.AMS.flames) can direct them elsewhere or respond to them
automatically.)

The "eatmail" program can be used to burst aport /usr/spool/mail format
files into separate files as in a Mailbox directory.  This is not needed
for normal mail delivery, but the separate eatmail program is useful in
certain circumstances (e.g. when your spool file is on another machine,
and you just want to rsh a small program).

In general, however, there are lots of ways to get mail fed into
messages; you'll have to ask a more specific question to get more
information, I'm afraid.

Much of what you're looking for is probably buried in the help files. 
For example, to switch off multimedia for selected recipients, you can
put certain lines in your .AMS_aliases file, e.g.:

$forceformat Bill Cattey <wdc@athena.mit.edu>
$forceformat wdc@athena.mit.edu
$forcetrust @andrew.cmu.edu
$forcetrust @andrew.cmu.edu>

Type "help ms-aliases" for more information.

For purging old messages, check out the CUI "epoch" command, in the CUI
documentation.  For other specific questions, if you can't find it in
the documentation, feel free to ask... -- Nathaniel
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Can anyone explain this behavior?


1) I have a copy of ATK in dir /usr/dev/andrew. I copy the entire tree to
/usr/prod/andrew.

2) I switch to /usr/prod/andrew (CLASSPATH, ANDREWDIR, PATH, etc)

3) I try to run various Andrew apps (works ok. So it should, it the same
files!)

4) Try to run a "locally written" ATK app:


/usr > \bold{/usr/andrew/bin/runapp calapp}

Could not find the class methods for application version 0x4190738 (68749112)!

Memory fault (core dumped)


... Huh? \bold{It's the same data}! OK, what's up? (fyi, this version number
matches the one in /usr/prod/andrew/dlib/atk/index)


I went ito /usr/prod/andrew, and started sym-linking various dirs back to
/usr/dev/andrew. By process of elimination\bold{ I find that if
/usr/andew/lib/libclass.a is a file, it fails, but if it's a sym-link back to
/usr/dev/andrew/lib/libclass.a, it works!}


What's going on here?? Both /usr/prod/andrew/lib/libclass.a and
/usr/prod/andrew/lib/libclass.a are the same (dates, checksums, premissions,
etc). What could the sym-link have to do with it? Some strangeness because
libclass.a is a shared lib??


Help!


Bob

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\quotation{\bold{I find that if /usr/andew/lib/libclass.a is a file, it fails, 
but if it's a sym-link back to /usr/dev/andrew/lib/libclass.a, it works!}

}
\quotation{What's going on here?? Both /usr/prod/andrew/lib/libclass.a and 
/usr/prod/andrew/lib/libclass.a are the same (dates, checksums, premissions, 
etc). What could the sym-link have to do with it? Some strangeness because 
libclass.a is a shared lib??

}
Each dynamic object has the full path of libclass.a within.  From \bold{ld 
Command}:


\leftindent{-LDirectory	Adds Directory to the list of directories to be 
searched for libraries designated by -l key.  This flag may be repeated.  The 
list of directories is also recorded in the output object file loader section 
for use by the dynamic loader.

}
and from \bold{load Subroutine}:


\leftindent{When the loader resolves a symbol it uses the filename recorded 
with that symbol to find the object file that exports the symbol.  If the file 
name contains any "/" characters, it is used directly and must name an 
appropriate object file.  However, if the filename is a basename (contains no 
"/" characters), the loader searches the directories specified in the default 
library path for an object file with that basename.

}
It was done this way, in lieu of using the LIBPATH env. var, so that it 
wouldn't be necessary to set LIBPATH before building the system.  It's a toss 
up as to which is a better method.

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>sunV3  is a defined symbol if you are using the compiler and
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When I was doing stuff with "cpp", I didn't see any such predefined
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didn't find it either.

Are you sure your 3/50s are running the preprocessor that comes with
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>I have no idea what later versions of Sun's compiler (and/or
>preprocessors) do or don't define.

They don't define anything release-specific.
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OK, fine. If I look in runapp, I see a path like:


/usr/dev/andrew/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:


But I still don't see what that has to do with the error. I should be able to
place libclass.a \bold{anywhere} in that path, and thing should continue to
run OK. In fact, I has doing this (or so I thought). I had a sym-link in /lib:


/lib/libclass.a -> /usr/dev/andrew/lib/libclass.a


I even tried copying it to /lib, and deleteing it from /usr/andrew/lib.
\bold{This should work, since libclass.a is still in my LIBPATH.}


So the question remains - How do I solve this problem? This is a nasty problem
when using AFS. You tend specify the some absolute AFS path, and then move it
to some other place for installation


Bob

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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: ATK and AFS 3.1

Now that AFS 3.1 is in beta test, anyone who receives it will notice
that Transarc has remove support for "r" and the old crypt-style
authentication. This breaks some of the code in overhead/mail/lib and
overhead/util/lib that deal with token packing/unpacking. It also
affects queuemail, and the snap code

Is anyone working on fixes for AFS 3.1? I suspect that all one would
have to due is (more or less) #ifdef out the old "r/crypt" style code
for AFS 3.1.

Bob
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Well it is possible, I suppose, that cpp was modified here [at CMU] - the only 
useful stuff I could see with strings is at the end of this.


A long time ago we had sun2's - then we got sun3's - some time ago we had Sun 
OS 3.4 - now we have Sun OS 3.5 (there's probably more history here than I 
know, but as I don't know it I can't give it)


Perhaps someone at Sun could try and retrieve all of these old sources and 
look again?


Hopefully we'll be able to provide a better/cleaner means of determining the 
system configuration at some time, but for now......?


--fish

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@(#)cpp.c 1.1 86/09/24 SMI

@(#)C rel 6.0

unix

mc68000

mc68020

mc68010

sunV3

sun34

sun35

__LINE__

__FILE__

@(#)cpy.y 1.1 86/09/24 SMI

@(#)yaccpar 1.2 86/07/18 SMI

@(#)strchr.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)strrchr.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)perror.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)_perror.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)fopen.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)fread.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)filbuf.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)fwrite.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)sprintf.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)strcmp.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)fprintf.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)doprnt.c 1.3 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)flsbuf.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)exit.c 1.2 86/10/07 Copyr 1984 Sun Micro

@(#)_itoa.s 1.2 86/10/07 Copyr 1984 Sun Micro

@(#)ctype_.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)findiop.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)calloc.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)malloc.c 1.3 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)isinf.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)memchr.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

@(#)q.s 1.2 86/10/07 Copyr 1984 Sun Micro

@(#)unpkd.s 1.2 86/10/07 Copyr 1984 Sun Micro

@(#)upottab.c 1.2 86/10/07 Copyr 1984 Sun Micro

@(#)isatty.c 1.2 86/10/07 SMI

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#if defined(mc68020) || defined(sun3) /* sun3 */

#ifndef sunV3

#define sunV3 0

#endif /* sunV3 */

#if sunV3

#include <sun3_35/system.mcr>

#define MacroIncludeFile sun3_35/system.mcr

#else /* sunV3 */

#include <sun3_4/system.mcr>

#define MacroIncludeFile sun3_4/system.mcr

#endif /* sunV3 */

#endif /* sun3 */

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 20-Nov-90 Re: rs_aix31 problems Bob 
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\quotation{I even tried copying it to /lib, and deleteing it from 
/usr/andrew/lib. \bold{This should work, since libclass.a is still in my 
LIBPATH.}

}
\quotation{So the question remains - How do I solve this problem? This is a 
nasty problem when using AFS. You tend specify the some absolute AFS path, and 
then move it to some other place for installation

}
You can copy your Andrew object tree to a new location.  But... you will have 
to set these environment variables:


ANDREWDIR [/usr/andrew]

CLASSPATH [$ANDREWDIR/dlib/atk]

LIBPATH [$ANDREWDIR/lib:/lib:/usr/lib]


and (cd $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts;mkfontdir).

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Subject: re: AFS Release 3


Greetings,

 I just got the AFS source code from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, and have a
 couple of questions to ask for those who have succesfully setup AFS
 on the SUN systems:

  1. Do I have to have X11-4 in order to run AFS ? Will OpenWindow 2.0
     be OK ?
  2. I am running a 4/280 on a SUN 4.1. Is there any problem with 
     this configuration? (I've noticed section 1.2.8 of the README note
     mentioned that there were some reported problem with Sparc systems,
     but the note was written on Nov 1989 of last year)

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Clarification:  I believe that it was the Andrew source code that you got from 
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, not the AFS source code (which is available via 
Transarc Corp.).


Andrew (the ATK component, at least) runs under X11, either release 3 or 
release 4.  It doesn't run under OpenWindow.


If you're trying to use SunOS 4.1, I believe that you should wait until the 
next patch comes out.


		Craig

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\quotation{Andrew (the ATK component, at least) runs under X11, either release 
3 or release 4.  It doesn't run under OpenWindow.

}
Andrew runs fine under OpenWindows 2.0.  I'm running that way right now.


--Dwight D. McKay, ECN Workstation Software Support

--Purdue University, Engineering Computer Network

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Open mouth, insert foot.  My apologies.


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Subject: ZIP crashes on Decstations

I have been unable to get zip to work well on Decstation 3100 or 5000
machines (they run the same binaries).  If I ez a file with a certain
zip in it, it gets about half-way through displaying the zip before it
crashes.  From this, I conjecture that the code is getting dynamically
loaded just fine, but there's a bug in zipview that is not manifest on
other machines.

If I start with a fresh zip inset, it seems to work for a while and then crash.

Has anyone else tried using zip on a Decstation 3100 or 5000?  Or does
it work fine for everyone else but not for me?

For anyone interested in investigating, I will send the offending zip
inset on request.  (I'd put it in this mail message, but I'm afraid it
might crash Messages for anyone who uses a Decstation!)  -- Nathaniel
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>I run Nathaniel's eatmail program in a particular context:  My mail is
>delivered to a general-purpose (and oftimes overloaded) machine,

Eatmail is indeed a fine program, but it does require ATK on the spool machine,
which isn't available in my case.  So, at first I wrote an eatmail-inspired
program that did the same thing, learning all kinds of disturbing things
about mkstemp in the process.  This I ran by setting the
AMSMailCollectionCommand preference to rsh it, but I found this to be slow
(because of the rsh).  I got a better idea (for me, at least) from someone's
post on another group -- I wrote a [really simple] program that gets run as
a pipe out of my .forward.  It generates a filename in ~/Mailbox by
concatenating its process-id and the time -- in my case, this should be enough
to ensure unqiueness, since we have site-wide aliases with an entry for
each user pointing to his/her home machine.

--

datri@convex.com
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Is there an archive of this newsgroup available via anonymous FTP?
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Date: 21 Nov 90 13:22:18 GMT
From: thorin!menges@mcnc.org  (John Menges)
Organization: University of North Carolina, Dept of Computer Science
Subject: Compiling Andrew patch level 7 for SunOS 4.1, on a Sun 3
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I'm trying to compile Andrew patch level 7 for SunOS 4.1 on a Sun 3.
Here's the tail of my make log
(make Clean; make Makefiles; make dependInstall):

...

cc -c -I.  -O -I/unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/include/atk -I/unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   helpa.c
/unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/bin/makedo  -d /unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/lib -b /unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/bin -o helpa.do  helpa.o  /usr/lib/libresolv.a
Segmentation fault (core dumped) 
dofix:  File helpa.dog not found
doindex: can't open file helpa.do...program terminated!
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `helpa.do'
Current working directory /theta/theta2/menges/emsworth/src/atk/help/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
Current working directory /theta/theta2/menges/emsworth/src/atk/help/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
Current working directory /theta/theta2/menges/emsworth/src/atk/help
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
Current working directory /theta/theta2/menges/emsworth/src/atk
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'

If I run makedo with 'csh -fvx' I get the following:

...

ld -r -o ${outfile:r}.dog $filelist ${libdir}/libcx.a | egrep "ld:"
ld -r -o helpa.dog helpa.o /usr/lib/libresolv.a /unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/lib/libcx.a
egrep ld:
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

...


Running ld by hand and adding the -t option gives me:

[menges@arras] ld -r -o helpa.dog helpa.o /usr/lib/libresolv.a /unc/menges/andre
w/emsworth/andrew/lib/libcx.a
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[menges@arras] ld -t -r -o helpa.dog helpa.o /usr/lib/libresolv.a /unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/lib/libcx.a
-r:
-o:
helpa.o:
/usr/lib/libresolv.a:
/unc/menges/andrew/emsworth/andrew/lib/libcx.a:
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[menges@arras]

So ld is core dumping.  That's undoubtedly a bug in ld.  Does anybody
have a fixed ld or know what (say, in our libresolv.a) might be
causing it to core dump?
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Date: 21 Nov 90 20:36:21 GMT
From: thorin!menges@mcnc.org  (John Menges)
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Subject: Re: Compiling Andrew patch level 7 for SunOS 4.1, on a Sun 3
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I found my ld problem.  I tried gld instead of ld, and it complained
about something in our /usr/lib/libresolv.a.  I got the bind source
from uunet, recompiled libresolv.a, and used that and the ld now works
fine.  I haven't yet determined whether our libresolv.a is Sun's or
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Date: 22 Nov 90 01:03:23 GMT
From: mips!twg.com!david@apple.com  (David S. Herron)
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I wanna install andrew on my workstation, which happens to be a
386i, and stumbled across this directory full of assembly language
while doing the machine dependencies.  Sigh.. haven't done assembly
work since my TOPS-10 days, but fortunately there may be enough
there that I can hack it together.

But before I try -- has anybody already done this?

I just poked around on emsworth & didn't see anything useful.  My
source tree is at PL#7.  Etc..


	Thanks,


-- 
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Did anyone have experience in installing White Pages without AFS?

According to the AndrewSetup File,

        "Sites that have wanted to use White Pages without using
        AFS have had to fabricate this path name on their system."

However, how to *fabricate*??

                                                Wai-kong, Sung
                                                kw20swk0@twnitri1.bitnet
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Why does eatmail require ATK on the spool machine?  I think that's
totally incorrect, actually.  It requires a few libraries (libmail,
liberrors, and libutil) but these can all be built without building ATK
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I am trying to install AMDS in my SUN 4/65 ( SPARC Station 1+) without AFS.
I met a big porblem when I tried to make the directory overhead/pobbconf.
What is mpp and msh? Where can I get a copy of mpp? How can I execute
those msh files?

I enclose the output message when I typed "make install" in the directory
overhead/pobbconf.

                                                Wai-kong, Sung
                                                CCL/ITRI
                                                kw20swk0@twnitri1.bitnet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

rm -f pobbscpt.o
cc -c -I.  -g -I/home/andrew/include/atk -I/home/andrew/include -I/usr/OW2.0FCS/
include   pobbscpt.c
rm -f pobbconf.o
cc -c -I.  -g -I/home/andrew/include/atk -I/home/andrew/include -I/usr/OW2.0FCS/
include   pobbconf.c
rm -f pobbscpt
cc -g -I/home/andrew/include/atk -I/home/andrew/include -I/usr/OW2.0FCS/include
  -o pobbscpt pobbscpt.o pobbconf.o /home/andrew/lib/libmail.a  /home/andrew/lib
/libmalloc.a  /home/andrew/lib/libutil.a
rm -f pobbconfig.defs.csh
./pobbscpt pobbconfig.defs.pobb pobbconfig.defs.csh
rm -f make-pobbconfig.defs.csh
./pobbscpt make-pobbconfig.defs.pobb make-pobbconfig.defs.csh
chmod +x make-pobbconfig.defs.csh
./make-pobbconfig.defs.csh
rm -f postlog.csh
./pobbscpt postlog.pobb postlog.csh
rm -f list-subscribe.csh
./pobbscpt list-subscribe.pobb list-subscribe.csh
rm -f list-de-subscribe.csh
./pobbscpt list-de-subscribe.pobb list-de-subscribe.csh
rm -f pomachine.proto.csh
./pobbscpt pomachine.proto.pobb pomachine.proto.csh
rm -f bbmachine.proto.csh
./pobbscpt bbmachine.proto.pobb bbmachine.proto.csh
rm -f pobbmachine.proto.csh
./pobbscpt pobbmachine.proto.pobb pobbmachine.proto.csh
rm -f pomachineBD.proto.csh
./pobbscpt pomachineBD.proto.pobb pomachineBD.proto.csh
rm -f bbmachineBD.proto.csh
./pobbscpt bbmachineBD.proto.pobb bbmachineBD.proto.csh
rm -f pobbmachineBD.proto.csh
./pobbscpt pobbmachineBD.proto.pobb pobbmachineBD.proto.csh
rm -f bbnnmachine.proto.csh
./pobbscpt bbnnmachine.proto.pobb bbnnmachine.proto.csh
rm -f pobbnnmachine.proto.csh
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./pobbscpt bbnnmachineBD.proto.pobb bbnnmachineBD.proto.csh
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rm -f butler.conf.csh
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./pobbscpt Postmaster.pobb Postmaster.csh
rm -f pobb-install.msh pobb-install.mpp
mpp pobb-install.pobb > pobb-install.mpp
sh: mpp: not found
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pobb-install.msh'
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Will ATK have Motif menus and scroll bars in patch 8 ?

                   Thanks,



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"Robert A. Dodson" <RDODSON@IBM.COM> writes:
> Will ATK have Motif menus and scroll bars in patch 8 ?

We can hope not...

-Miles
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\quotation{Will ATK have Motif menus and scroll bars in patch 8 ?

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No.  The work is continuing.


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I am trying to install AMDS to replace sendmail in a SUN 4/65.
I 've compiled the directory ams/delivery, the source of AMDS.
But how should I use the AMDS replace the sendmail? i.e., how should
I modify the /etc/rc.local? Should I use queuemail to replace
/usr/lib/sendmail? any modification in the file /etc/sendmail.cf?

Did anyone have similar experience and can help me?

                                                Wai-kong, Sung
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I thought it would be really neat to create a table with a bunch of link 
insets in the cells.  Each link button would be a C file in the directory. 
 That way, when I wanted to edit a file, all I needed to do was hit the 
button.  It works great until I made a mistake:


I created a link inset in one of the slots and then decided not to use it. 
 The normal way to clear stuff from a table cell is to hit back space.  In EZ, 
when I hit backspace over an inset, I get a question asking whether I really 
want to delete that inset or not.  In table, I get a core dump.  I don't think 
that's desirable.


I'm sure this is a minor bug that just needed to be pointed out to the ITC - 
you probably just need to check to see if an inset is inside of the cell and 
treat it specially.


   - \underline{Anthony}

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Normally, the White Pages database for some domain DOMAINNAME (often 
ThisDomain) is found in directory

	/afs/DOMAINNAME/service/wp

Sites that have wanted to use the White Pages without using AFS have had to 
fabricate this path name on their systems.  However, as a special case, the 
Andrew installer may set the ThisDomainWPDirectory to be the name of the 
directory in which the White Pages for domain ThisDomain may be found.

}
What this means is that if you're not using AFS and you want to build a WP for 
some domain DOMAINNAME, you should by default put your WP in the directory 
named /afs/DOMAINNAME/service/wp.  What ``fabricate'' means is that you'd have 
to make this directory exist (with ordinary mkdir commands) if it doesn't 
exist already.


		Craig

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I can try to post a version of mpp (a simple macro preprocessor).  Transarc 
distributes it as a utility useful if you run the ``package'' workstation 
configurer.


		Craig

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AMDS replaces sendmail only on workstations that use AFS.  AMDS is not the 
inter-machine transport agent that sendmail is.  AMDS is, rather, a local mail 
delivery system, with a potentially large definition of ``local'': all users 
of an AFS cell, or even all users of all the connected, cooperating AFS cells. 
 AMDS is traditionally run alongside long-haul, SMTP-based transport agents 
such as sendmail; AMDS does the local delivery, and sendmail does the rest.


I'm afraid that you may have a misunderstanding of what AMDS would buy you if 
you're not using AFS.  I'm sure that you can get it to work on a single 
machine, but I'm not sure that it offers anything that would make it worth the 
bother of maintaining it.  Now, it has features like distribution lists, local 
WP lookups, and so forth, but it's a pretty big system to install.  I'm sorry 
if your work has resulted from a misunderstanding.


/etc/queuemail is by no means a sendmail replacement.  Generally, AMDS drops 
off long-haul mail by piping into the OldSendmailProgram (defaulted to 
/etc/oldsendmail), and BSD sendmail drops off local mail to AMDS by piping 
into /etc/queuemail.  On a single machine, you'd need to start your sendmail 
daemon and also start the AMDS daemons (by invoking what's created from the 
\{andrew\}/overhead/pobbconf/rc.local.pobb file).


		Craig

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In a previous note I describe the scenario whereby I have a bunch of link 
inset buttons; when I hit a button, a window appears with that file.  The only 
problem is that there is no cursor in the new ez window.  If I hit cursor 
keys, they are ignored.  I presume my keystrokes are being directed to the 
link inset.  However, in the new window I don't have a link inset button - 
just raw ascii text in  a textview inset.


All it takes is a mouse click in that window to activate the keystrokes.


I'd like to make the suggestion that when the link inset launches its 
secondary window, it activates whatever inset is in that window (or at the 
top).  Certainly I find it annoying in my context of editing, but I think it's 
a misfeature for help, too.  Let's face it, most help files are longer than a 
window size.  The most natural thing for me is to go for the cursor keys (page 
down particularly) to see more text.  I can't do that if the window is 
launched by a link inset button; not unless I click in it first.


   - \underline{Anthony}

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(People run screaming into the night after reading the subject line... :-)

Has anyone got this to work?
Is it a workable idea to start with?

Reason for madness: So I can debug ATK programs.

Platform: hp9000s300, hpux7.0, gcc1.37.1, ATK 6+bit

Things start breaking when building class.
Firstly, the makefiles assume you will be using /lib/libc.a, etc.
Not the case with gcc & hpux (due to robotussin'd libs).
After hacking this about, I then get into difficulties with
it making its "transitive closure awk script" (Gawd!)
The awk script churned for 3 hours (I later found out), but produced
no output.

HoHum. So. Is it even feasible to try this? Or does
the dynamic loading/linking *need* to run "native"?

If I cannot use gcc to build, then how do I debug ATK programs?
I have been going under the assumption that the standard
debuggers for hpux do not understand the dynamic loading of Andrew.
([Shame] yes, I need a post-mortem debugger to test my programs...
  they don't *ALL* work perfectly first time :-)


Nick,
Enjoying the wonders of hpux....
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From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!texsun!convex!datri@ucsd.edu  (Anthony A. Datri)
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>Why does eatmail require ATK on the spool machine?  I think that's
>totally incorrect, actually.  It requires a few libraries (libmail,
>liberrors, and libutil) but these can all be built without building ATK
>at all.  -- Nathaniel

I was considering the above to be part of ATK; forgive me if that wasn't
correct.  Can the above be built without class or any dynamic-linking code?

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Dumb question:
	How does one set foreground and background colours for ATK
	applications.  I tried putting lines in .preferences and/or
	in the X resource database to no avail.  I haven't looked at
	the ATK libraries (AT ALL),  but I'm beginning to wonder if
	this is just impossible...?!?
--
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Suggestion:
Don't use robotussin'ed gcc.
Use the new stuff from ohio state.
It is a radically different coff encapsulation, and it seems to coexist
nicely with both gdb and dbx on the PS/2.

That's how we're trying to get it to work on the PS/2.

We hope to have a working gcc/gas/gdb/atk suite as soon as NFS stays up
long enough for us to complete the build and fix the little bugs in gdb.

I must strongly emphasize that things are only SEEMING to work so far. 
I have been unable to keep the PS/2 up long enough for rigorous testing.

-wdc
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>> Will ATK have Motif menus and scroll bars in patch 8 ?

> We can hope not...

Fortunately or unfortunately, Motif is approaching industry standard.
This means ATK will have a much better chance of survival if it supports
a Motif look & feel.  Hopefully it can be handled with options; then
you can keep the traditional ATK style while Motif-followers can have
Motif-ish support.

Tracy L. Wells
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\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 28-Nov-90 Re: link inset usage disabl.. 
mcinerny+@andrew.cmu.edu (261)}


\quotation{I don't have this problem:  the link inset warps the cursor to the 
new} \quotation{window, and the input focus is set there.  At least under TWM. 
 What} \quotation{window manager are you running?  Perhaps you need to set 
point-focus} \quotation{rather than click-focus.

}
I, too, am using TWM.  I too, have the \italic{mouse} cursor warp to the new 
window.  However, I do not get a \italic{text} cursor in that window.  That's 
an indication of the problem:  EZ is sending all its character events to an 
inset (presumably the link inset) which ignores them; I want EZ to send its 
character events to the textview inset that has my file in it.  That way, I 
can immediately start editing with the keyboard rather than clicking the mouse 
in the window (thereby telling EZ to send all character events to textview).


(I guess I shouldn't have used the word \italic{cursor} in the previous note 
without qualifying it as the \italic{text carat}.  I suppose I should have 
also pointed out that X mouse focus follows the mouse in my window manager - I 
do not click to tell X to focus in a window like Motif.)


   - \underline{Anthony}

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from atk: 27-Nov-90 Re: Motif Tracy Wells) (507)}

\quotation{
}\quotation{Fortunately or unfortunately, Motif is approaching industry
standard.

}\quotation{This means ATK will have a much better chance of survival if it
supports

}\quotation{a Motif look & feel.  Hopefully it can be handled with options;
then

}\quotation{you can keep the traditional ATK style while Motif-followers can
have

}\quotation{Motif-ish support.

}

I agree !!!


	

	Marlon A. Guarino

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It's pretty simple to make the basic support from Andrew, if you want to omit 
ATK.  (That's what we did to get AMDS running at Transarc at first.)  You can 
omit these directories under your andrew distribution:

	overhead/index

	overhead/class

	overhead/conv

	overhead/fonts

	overhead/xicons

	overhead/cmenu

	atk

	atkams

	contrib

	(oda, odatrans)

	xmkfontd

	helpindex

	helpaliases


There could, in principle, be an ATK_ENV option in the top-level system.h that 
controlled these directories.


We built the rest of Andrew (Andrew minus ATK)  here at Transarc on all 
platforms.  I built ATK also for at least some of the platforms; for a long 
time the pmaxes were problematic, but are getting better.


		Craig

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The -fg and -bg switches work.  So, for me, do preferences like

*.foregroundcolor: blue
*.backgroundcolor: yellow
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 27-Nov-90 Re: messages, 
eatmail and o.. Anthony A. Datri@ucsd.ed (388)}


\quotation{>Why does eatmail require ATK on the spool machine?  I think that's

}\quotation{>totally incorrect, actually.  It requires a few libraries 
(libmail,

}\quotation{>liberrors, and libutil) but these can all be built without 
building ATK

}\quotation{>at all.  -- Nathaniel

}
\quotation{I was considering the above to be part of ATK; forgive me if that 
wasn't

}\quotation{correct.  Can the above be built without class or any 
dynamic-linking code?

}
Yes indeed.  I believe all you need to build are the 
overhead/\{errors,mail,util\} trees.  You may need to build config, first, 
actually.  But certainly no dynamic-linking stuff should be necessary.  


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From: usc!samsung!emory!stiatl!srchtec!mra@ucsd.edu  (Michael Almond)
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In article <4bIx7l618X_CQqiF0a@prefect.watson.ibm.com> MAG@IBM.COM writes:
>Excerpts from atk: 27-Nov-90 Re: Motif Tracy Wells) (507)
>
>> Fortunately or unfortunately, Motif is approaching industrystandard.
>> ......
>
>I agree !!!

I may be wrong, but I believe that Open Look out numbers Motif in the number
of applications it supports.  In addition, Open Look is free, which will
cause it to spread faster than the non-free Motif.


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I heard someone talking about eatmail on the bulletin.
Could anyone tell what it is? How can I get a copy?

                                                Sung
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> In addition, Open Look is free, which will
> cause it to spread faster than the non-free Motif.

`Open Look' is not free.  The XView toolkit is free.  Open Windows, despite
Sun's claims to the contrary, is certainly not free.  AT&T's Open Look
software and toolkit(s) are not free.

Motif is not free, but then OSF never claimed that it was.

--
Chet Ramey				``I die, Horatio''
Network Services Group, Case Western Reserve University
chet@ins.CWRU.Edu
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From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!kth.se!hemuli.tik.vtt.fi!tml@apple.com  (Tor Lillqvist)
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In article <332@srchtec.UUCP> mra@srchtec.UUCP (Michael Almond) writes:
   In addition, Open Look is free, which will
   cause it to spread faster than the non-free Motif.

Uh, this is a bit exaggerated.  "Open Look" per se is only a
look-and-feel, which is freely available, ie buy the book and start
writing code that looks and feels like it.  The Xview API
(SunView-like) is free, but not very portable.  *Commercial* ports to
non-Sun environments are in progress.

The recent Sun announcement about the "almost free" ($1000)
OpenWindows source, including an Xt-based API, has been flamed to
death in comp.windows.x, it isn't any more free than Motif.

On the other hand, I do like Motif's and OL's 3d look-and-feel.  After
using Motif or OL applications, Andrew does seem a bit ugly...
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland
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Eatmail is in the contrib/eatmail directory, as of patchlevel 6 or 7 (?)
 You *probably* don't need it, however.  It has a very specialized
utility -- it bursts apart Berekely-format mail files into AMS-format
individual files.  It is most useful, therefore, for two circumstances:

1.  Converting Berkeley mail files into AMS folders.  (It's only a part
of this job -- once you burst the mail apart into an AMS directory, you
still have to use CUI to reconstruct that directory's index file.)

2.  Moving new mail from /usr/spool/mail/uid into separate files in
~uid/Mailbox.  In general, the AMS programs do this automatically, and
eatmail is not needed.  However, if your spool file is on a machine
where AMS doesn't run, your home directory is on NFS, and you mostly
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can get at it directly, that's all.

Hope that helps.  -- Nathaniel
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I use the Andrew console and Ez on a daily basis.
I have a Sun3-80 with the standard 8 meg of memory
and 12 meg of swap space.  When I was using the
MocaChip console my computer would run out of memory
overnight and blow out of an xlock as well as X
itself.  I'm positive the console was the culprit.
A process list however, did not show console as having
any huge amount of memory allocated.

Has anyone else had this problem with any Andrew consoles ?

I use the Antique console now and have another smaller and less
annoying problem.  The computer slowly loses memory.  It takes
about a week to get to be a problem and quiting and restarting
X windows will solve it.  I can't exactly blame this problem
on the Andrew software but from my earlier experience I'm
reluctant not to look there first.

Suggestions ?

I don't know much about the Andrew system so I'll include
the startup messages (for version numbers)
(Version 7.0, ATK 14.2); please wait...


Thanks for you time and expertise,

Greg
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 29-Nov-90 Re: Motif Tor 
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\quotation{After} \quotation{using Motif or OL applications, Andrew does seem 
a bit ugly...

}
I wonder if there is any possibility of a consensus on this kind of issue, 
ever in the history of the world.  I guess I agree with this on a visual level 
-- the buttons & scroll bars are much prettier in Motif than Andrew -- but I'm 
not so sure on the semantic/active control level.  In particular, I find it 
hard to imagine how anyone can prefer Motif menus to Andrew menus.  For such 
reasons, I hope that the Motif-ization of Andrew can be done in components. 
 For example, I'd like to be able to say (via preferences, presumably) that I 
want Motif-style buttons & maybe scroll bars, but definitely Andrew-style 
menus.   (For the record, the Andrew menus were the result of countless 
iterations and extensive user testing.  I have no idea what went into Motif's 
menu design, but I have to think it was unduly influenced by a desire to 
"compete with Macintosh" on its own terms.\
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 29-Nov-90 Re: Motif Nathaniel 
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\quotation{ In particular, I find it hard to imagine how anyone can prefer 
Motif menus to Andrew menus.



}OK, since this question has been brought up ...


One thing I find better about Motif (and Macintosh) menus are the possibility 
of\italic{ learning the keybindings} by looking at the menus. I will of course 
not learn all keybindings this way, but I think I'll be able to speed up my 
usage of Andrew quite a bit if I at least learn the keybindings that have 
menus.


One thing I find bad with Andrew menus (apart from the above) is the 
\italic{sensitivity} when moving the mouse to the left or right. This is 
probably customizable, by I never figured out how to do it.


I won't (yet) go inti the OL vs. Motif debate.


Enough complaining -- for now.


Chris.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 30-Nov-90 Andrew Menus, 
(Was: Re: Motif) Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (1074+0)}


\quotation{One thing I find bad with Andrew menus (apart from the above) is 
the \italic{sensitivity} when moving the mouse to the left or right. This is 
probably customizable, by I never figured out how to do it.

}
I must agree here.  Although I have seen documentation over info-andrew that 
explains how to make the cards less sensitive, it has never worked for me.


Back in the old days of 'wm' (do we call it BE1 now?), I could move my mouse 
to a non-front menu card and move my mouse \italic{all over that card}, 
without any other card popping up.  Only if I moved the mouse off the card 
onto another card would the other card pop up.  Now, each card is logically 
just the left quarter inch.  I can't stand that.  I'm dexterous enough to 
adjust, but I've always liked allowing my mouse to roam a whole menu card 
(that's not the front card).


   - \underline{Anthony}

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Does the problem ever happen when you're not using xlock?

Perhaps the console program generates lots of output that the X server
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Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (1074+0)}


\quotation{  One thing I find bad with Andrew menus (apart from the above) is
the \italic{sensitivity} when moving the mouse to the left or right. This is
probably customizable, by I never figured out how to do it.   I won't (yet) go
inti the OL vs. Motif debate.   Enough complaining -- for now.   Chris.
 \smaller{\smaller{\smaller{---------------------------------------------------\
----  Christer Bernerus \italic{			}! E-mail: bernerus@cs.chalmers.se
 Chalmers University of Technology		! Phone: +46 31 721000  Department of
Computer Science		! \italic{Ham radio: SM6FBQ	144.3 MHz}  S-412 96 Gothenburg,
\bold{SWEDEN	 }}}\bold{

}}}\smaller{\bold{

}}Try setting the following in your .Xdefaults.

\example{*.OverlapPct: 25}


This controls the percentage of overlap that is used when flipping to the
previous menu car.  Type help cmenu for more details.



	Marlon A. Guarino

	IBM T.J. Watson Research

	Watson AIX Information Center

	mag@watson

	mag@ibm.com

	t/l 863-7334

	(914)784-7334




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\quotation{One thing I find better about Motif (and Macintosh) menus are the 
possibility of\italic{ learning the keybindings} by looking at the menus. I 
will of course not learn all keybindings this way, but I think I'll be able to 
speed up my usage of Andrew quite a bit if I at least learn the keybindings 
that have menus.

}
Yeah, of course this is *not* a function of the actual menu style -- one could 
"easily" add this information onto the Andrew menu string, and it might be a 
very good idea.  I was talking about the basic interaction style.  I, too, 
would like to see the keystrokes show up after the menu text.


\quotation{One thing I find bad with Andrew menus (apart from the above) is 
the \italic{sensitivity} when moving the mouse to the left or right. This is 
probably customizable, by I never figured out how to do it.

}
Type "help cmenu" -- I think you want to add an "OverlapPct" customization to 
your .Xdefaults file.  If you haven't read about it, you might also be 
interested in the "-m" option to the standard "xset" utility.

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\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 30-Nov-90 
Andrew Menus, (Was: Re: Motif) Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (1074+0)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{One thing I find bad with Andrew menus (apart from the 
above) is the \italic{sensitivity} when moving the mouse to the left or right. 
This is probably customizable, by I never figured out how to do it.

}}
\quotation{I must agree here.  Although I have seen documentation over 
info-andrew that explains how to make the cards less sensitive, it has never 
worked for me.

}

Put this (or something like it) in a file of X resources that you load:


	*OverlapPct: 30


I have this in ~/.xrdb, and I load those resources on X startup with


	xrdb /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr3/dba/.xrdb


--david


_________________


David Anderson <dba+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

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memory problem Greg Smith@uunet.uu.net (1000)}


\quotation{I use the Andrew console and Ez on a daily basis. I have a Sun3-80 
with the standard 8 meg of memory and 12 meg of swap space.  When I was using 
the

}\quotation{MocaChip console my computer would run out of memory overnight and 
blow out of an xlock as well as X itself.  I'm positive the console was the 
culprit. A process list however, did not show console as having any huge 
amount of memory allocated.

}
\quotation{Has anyone else had this problem with any Andrew consoles ?

}
You want official MIT patch #7 to X11R4, which fixes this problem, among 
others:


	server memory leak tickled by andrew console program


--david


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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
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attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
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attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
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attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 30-Nov-90 Re: Andrew Menus, (Was: Re:.. 
dba+@andrew.cmu.edu (954)}


\quotation{> I must agree here.  Although I have seen documentation over 
info-andrew

}\quotation{> that explains how to make the cards less sensitive, it has never 
worked

}\quotation{> for me.

}

\quotation{Put this (or something like it) in a file of X resources that you 
load:

}
\quotation{	*OverlapPct: 30

}

Ah, thank you!  But one more detail needs to be understood:  Just executing 
the xrdb command in the middle of my X session isn't good enough.  The xrdb 
command needs to be executed before the first ATK application starts up. 
 Aparently the cmenu code in only reads its resources once - I had ATK stuff 
running, I typed the xrdb, I launched a new ATK program:  I saw no change; 
 exiting X and starting up again made it work.


Again, thanks for the tip.  I was able to read more about it under

	help cmenu


   - \underline{Anthony}

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Subject: Re: Andrew system memory problem
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>Has anyone else had this problem with any Andrew consoles ?

I'd *love* to use console to consolidate some things on my display, but I've
never gotten the text logs to come up with a scrollbar, despite the fact that
the documentation says that one will appear when the log gets "big enough".

>I use the Antique console

>the startup messages (for version numbers)
>(Version 7.0, ATK 14.2); please wait...

You're certainly running ooooold stuff here.  The first clue is that you
mentioned the Antique console -- many of the console files (including the
Beak console (sniff sniff)) seem to have disappeared between the x11r3
and x11r4 releases (I'm not sure on the ATK version numbers involved), so
the fact that you've got that one is suspicious.  I ran my console (x11r4,
pl7), and it tells me Version 7.6, ATK 15.1), which confirms it.

I'd suggest that you get the base tree from the x11r4 distribution, apply
all 7 (soon to be 8) patches, and rebuild.  If you're running SunOS 4.0.3,
this'll build just fine.  If you're running 4.1, you'll probably want to
wait for patch 8.

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