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Subject: Enter/Leave Events

Can I somehow find out about Enter/Leave events for a window?  I know X has
them, but I don't see ATK looking for them and hence I don't know how I can
get a hold on them (cleanly).
Thanks!

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Subject: Selective *.formatcommand and *.printcommand


Is it possible to have different .formatcommand and .printcommand
depending on the printer chosen from the 'set printer' menu option?
We have different printers and I would like to have .formatcommand
slightly different if one specific printer is chosen.

Thanks
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Jun-91 Selective *.formatcommand a.. 
Chandra Venkatraman@iag. (272)}


\quotation{Is it possible to have different .formatcommand and .printcommand

}\quotation{depending on the printer chosen from the 'set printer' menu 
option?

}\quotation{We have different printers and I would like to have .formatcommand

}\quotation{slightly different if one specific printer is chosen.

}

You can have preferences that are dependant on environment variables.  Try % 
\bold{help preferences}.


\section{Environment-specific preferences}


\leftindent{If you need to have preferences that are only active when a 
certain environment variable is set, you can use the following preference 
forms:


\bold{?E=\italic{environmentvariable=value:preference}

?E!\italic{environmentvariable=value:preference}

}
Meaningful colons within these specifications can be quoted with the backslash 
character ("\\").  For example, the following line would cause typescripts you 
start while the "DISPLAY" environment variable is "pgh:0" to be 600x600 
pixels.


?E=DISPLAY=pgh\\:0:typescript.geometry:600x600

}
You could have some preference lines like this:


?E=PRINTER=plum:*.formatcommander: <foo bar>


... where formatcommand would be <foo bar> when the environment variable 
PRINTER is set to "plum."  Will this do the trick?


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Subject: AMS and "rn"

Hello.  I'm trying to set up AMS here at my company, and I have a
question about it.  Right now, we are using the command "rn" to read our
usenet messages.  "Rn" requires that messages be in a directory tree
rooted at /usr/spool/news/....  In this system, the bulletin board
"comp.soft-sys.andrew" gets mapped to the directory
/usr/spool/news/comp/soft-sys/andrew.  My question is:  Is there any way
for AMS to run in the "rn" directory structure (possibly creating some
AMS-specific index files or whatever), without replicating messages?

Thanks for any info,
-lipp
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Most of the support for doing this is in the code, but it currently
works inefficiently.  I hope to go back and try to fix this up in the
fall, but for now, the answer from most people who've tried it seems to
be that it works, but wastes too many cycles to be practical.  With
luck, that will change this fall.  -- Nathaniel
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Subject: Using Existing Help Window

I've felt for a long time now that the behavior of the help program in
using a pre-existing help window is a mistake, but I've realized that
there is at least some room for argument.  Now I've got a situation
where it is just flat out horrible, with no room for argument, and I'd
like to plead for a change.

We have a big timesharing system here that an increasing number of
people are using via X terminals, many to run Andrew.   Guess what? 
Using "help" in the obvious way, only one of them gets a help window. 
The rest of them are told that their help request is being sent to an
existing window, leaving them to roam the hallways in search of their
help.  This is NOT considered a friendly thing for the help program to
do!

At the very least, this feature should be either sensitive to the
DISPLAY variable (one help window per DISPLAY) or configurable so that
you can turn it off via the AndrewSetup file.  Right now, I have to tell
everyone to use "help -new" which seems like a really ugly thing to do...

Could this be fixed in a future patch?  Thanks.  -- Nathaniel
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There seems to be a bug in AMS/ATK that causes a reproducible core dump in 
Messages.   After looking at the code a bit, I'm pretty sure it is really an 
ATK bug.   I'll describe the bug here.


To reproduce the bug:


\leftindent{1.   Run messages.  From within messages, open a mail sending 
window and start composing mail.


2.   Go back into the message-reading window and choose "Send/Post Message". 
 You'll find yourself back in the sending window with a dialog box that asks 
if you want to erase the message you were composing.


3.  Choose "NO."  Now look very carefully:  Your input focus is gone!   That's 
right, there is now \bold{\italic{no view with the input focus}}.  Very 
interesting, huh?


4.  Now just start typing.  Given that there's no input focus (though the 
\italic{user} can't be expected to notice this), your input doesn't show up 
where you might expect it.  On sun3 and sun4 platforms, at least, you get a 
core dump.

}
Now, I can imagine fixing this in AMS, but I think that's the wrong place.  It 
seems to me that the dialog box should always make sure to restore the input 
focus to where it was before it started.  It also seems to me that the toolkit 
should not dump core when you start typing without there being any input 
focus!   But at any rate, it should be fixed somewhere....


Have a nice day!  -- Nathaniel

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From: Damon Lipparelli (Sierra Geophysics, Inc.) <sgihbtn!lipp%snomas.@uunet.UU.NET>

Hello.  Thanks for the replies concerning my message.  However, upon
further reflection, I think I need to send more information about our
configuration.

The things are set up now, we don't have an internet connection.  We dial
up to uunet.uu.net for our outside mail, and dial up to a machine called
"ole" to get our external bboard messages.  The mail from uunet (as well as
all internal mail) gets appended to a file on the user's home machine
called "/usr/spool/mail/<user_id>".  The bboard messages get parcelled out
to the directory structure described in my first post on the machine
connected to the modem.

Given all of the above, I guess my first question should have been:  Is it
possible to use the AMS under this configuration?  If not, what do we need
to change?

Thanks for any info,
-lipp
(sgihbtn!lipp@uunet.uu.net)
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I've been poking around in \typewriter{frame.c} trying to get \bold{List
Buffers} to allow you to click on a buffer name and switch to that buffer.  I
noticed that there is already code there to do something similar in
\typewriter{helptxtv.c}, the problem is it doesn't get invoked.  I noticed
that in \typewriter{frame__GetHelpBuffer}, the line


                \typewriter{buffer = buffer_Create(bufferName, NULL, "text",
NULL);}


creates a \italic{text} object that is used to store buffer names, filenames,
etc. in.  I was trying to find out which view was getting hooked to this.  It
defaults to \italic{textview}.  Down a little in
\typewriter{frame__SetHelpBuffer}, there is the line:


\description{\typewriter{\leftindent{self->DialogBufferView =
buffer_GetView(buf, &inputFocus, &targetView,"helptextview");

}}}
Seems like this would set the view to \italic{helptextview}, but it never
reaches this statement.


I created a dummy subclass of \italic{text} called \italic{helptext}, replaced
"text" with "helptext" in the \typewriter{buffer_Create} line, and
\underline{\bigger{poof!}}  I could now select items out of the help buffer.
 This works nice for completing filenames and buffer names for
\bold{Visit/Switch File} and \bold{Visit Buffer}.  Just type a ? at the
message prompt, click on one of the names listed and hit return.  I like this.
 Any chance for this to be the default behavior?


-- Dave


P.S.  List Buffers would have to be fixed since it will also place the
selected name on the message line (which is useless).  I don't know what else
this change would affect.

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I can't reproduce Nathaniel's bug in ATK 14.6 on a pmax (DECstation 2100), 
which is at patch level 7 or 8, I think.


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Most people use AMS under conditions like what you describe.  Whether they 
have an Internet connection or not is essentially immaterial.


AMS as it comes out of the box should be configured about right for your 
configuration, as far as exchanging mail goes.  You may wish to look through 
the help file on AndrewSetup (under $\{ANDREWDIR\}/help/setup.help, if your 
``help'' program is disfunctional) to check on the various configuration 
options; certainly before deploying AMS widely, you'd want to check that.


What Nathaniel's message discussed was simply the mechanism by which AMS 
interfaces deal with netnews messages as stored in their native format, under 
/usr/spool/news/... .  His reply pertains to that option only; the rest of AMS 
works fine under the circumstances you describe.  That is, there are options 
in AMS to read native trees of messages under netnews, but they are expensive 
options.  The alternative is to make an AMS-format copy of all the netnews 
articles, which works fine, but costs a lot of disk space.


Does that clarify a little?


		Craig

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Very interesting.   I should have mentioned that I'm at patch level 7,
and the bug exists on sun3 and sun4 platforms.  Craig, although you
don't get the core dump, do you get the vanishing input focus?  I.e.,
after you choose "No", if you start typing does it show up anywhere?
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I'm at PL9 on a Sparcstation-2 and I do have the core dump bug.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 4-Jun-91 Using Existing Help Window 
Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1079)}


\quotation{I've felt for a long time now that the behavior of the help program 
in

}\quotation{using a pre-existing help window is a mistake, but I've realized 
that

}\quotation{there is at least some room for argument.  Now I've got a 
situation

}\quotation{where it is just flat out horrible, with no room for argument, and 
I'd

}\quotation{like to plead for a change.

}
We're in concert.  No other "large" ATK application that I know of is this 
parental.  It's inconsistent.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 4-Jun-91 Using Existing Help Window 
Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1079)}


\quotation{At the very least, this feature should be either sensitive to the

}\quotation{DISPLAY variable (one help window per DISPLAY) or configurable so 
that

}\quotation{you can turn it off via the AndrewSetup file.  Right now, I have 
to tell

}\quotation{everyone to use "help -new" which seems like a really ugly thing 
to do...}


I agree with this mission and will try to get it done.

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Hi, 

I'm attempting to compile/install andrew on a sparc 1+, OS 4.1.1, with both X
windows and Openwindows running. (X11R4, Openwindows 2.0) So for I haven't 
had any luck. The first run ended in atkams with a segmentation violation
and then a core dump. I've since tried rebuilding and everytime I do so, it
reaches a certain point and just hangs without giving any sort of error
message. The last time I ran it, it stopped after:

cc -c -I. -I/home/andrew/include/ams -O -I/home/andrew/include/atk
-I ...stuff deleted... text822.c
/home/andrew/include/site.h: 3: DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV redefined
/home/andrew/bin/makedo -d /home/andrew/lib -b /home/andrew/bin -o text822.do\
text822.o

Where I had done a make Clean and then a make World to get to this stage.

The things that were set up different from the default are:

DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR/ENV = /home/andrew
AFSBASEDIR = /home/andy (but I don't believe this gets used)
IMAKE =(X-tree)/config/imake
XMAKEDEPEND = (X-Tree)/util/makedepend/makedepend
RESOLVELIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a (is this right? the file does exist, but 
 				   I wasn't sure.)

And I think that was it. Has anyone seen this problem and/or have a fix for it?
Also, is there some sort of 'frequently asked questions list' that I should 
be looking in? If there is , could someone post me a copy? I only found this 
list yesterday.

Thanks,
eric

vampyre@milton.u.washington.edu
ehwd@uorpas.bitnet
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\quotation{RESOLVELIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a (is this right? the file does 
exist, but 

}\quotation{ 				   I wasn't sure.)

}
Actually, that's RESOLVLIB (sans the 'E').


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 6-Jun-91 Building andrew on a sparc 1+ 
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\quotation{And I think that was it. Has anyone seen this problem and/or have a 
fix for it?

}
Yes, we've seen this.  Please wait for the next release, which will be very 
soon.  This release will clear up alot of problems on SunOS4.1 platforms.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Gross@rchland.vnet. (1386+0)}


\quotation{I created a dummy subclass of \italic{text} called 
\italic{helptext}, replaced "text" with "helptext" in the 
\typewriter{buffer_Create} line, and \underline{\bigger{poof!}}  I could now 
select items out of the help buffer.  This works nice for completing filenames 
and buffer names for \bold{Visit/Switch File} and \bold{Visit Buffer}.  Just 
type a ? at the message prompt, click on one of the names listed and hit 
return.  I like this.  Any chance for this to be the default behavior?

}
Sounds like it might be nice.  We'd have to try it out of course, and no time 
before patch 10.  There is always a chance that a user suggestion may become 
the default behavior.  It's even more likely that the current flavor will 
remain but that the additional functionality may be accessable through a 
preference option.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I would like to know whether Andrew has been ported to SCO
UNIX. Also, has there been a major release since Release 3 ?

                                         Michael Kedem
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Subject: Some questions (Menus, file conversions)

1) Can hierarchical pulldown menus be implemented easily? Has someone already
done it?

2) Image format: is there a converter anywhere for MAC Pict format to the 
format the raster class expects? (And vice-versa.)

3) Is it possible to dynamically change the name of a menulist entry? 
It doesn't appear to be recommended, but I imagine that menulist_AddToML and 
menulist_DeleteFromML could be used to simulate it.  Has anyone done anything
similar?

Grazie Mille (a thousand thanks) for any help/advice/pointers, etc.
(If you respond, please see the email special request below.) 

Thanks!

Andy Takats
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\quotation{2) Image format: is there a converter anywhere for MAC Pict format 
to the 

}\quotation{format the raster class expects? (And vice-versa.)

}
ATK rasters now are one of the formats understood by pbm, thanks to Bill 
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We've added a global preference to have help search a couple of
directories of some local documentation.  One of these files is called
``windows.ez''.  Selecting the ``Show help on...'' and typing
``windows'' works just fine and the correct document is displayed. 
However, instead of ``windows'' being inserted into the history panel,
``window'' is inserted.  When I click on ``window'', I get the following
message:
``Unexpected failure to get help on 'window'.''
This is not a fatal problem, just annoying.  Any ideas as to what's
going on here?

			-Steve.

In case it's relevant:
hardware SPARC2/OS4.1.1
software Andrew PL7 compiled on SunOS4.0.3
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Subject: Dyniamic LInking

If I link in some X code to the .do file in a class I've created, when it 
gets loaded in to a process, will there now be duplicated X code (since xws.do
I believe already has all the X code), or can the loader somehow 
recognize identical entry points (seems too difficult to me)?  Are there
any dangerous side effects of this?  

Thanks!

Andy Takats
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I don't think this should cause any problems as long as you don't try to do 
anything with ATK's internal X specific data (the windows and gc's it keeps). 
 If you tried to do this you could run into problems with two queues getting 
data destined for the same X connection...


-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group, ITC

Disclaimer: I haven't actually tested this.


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Subject: Files that also need include of afs/param.h
Cc: 

In the process of my DECMIPS build I have found the following additional
files that need #include <afs/param/h> as the first line after
#ifdef AFS_ENV

atk/console/lib/mailmonf.c
venmonf.c
venusmon.c

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autherr.c
authuid.c
bldcapt.c
direx.c
epoch.c
flush.c
mungenew.c
pfmsg.c
rawdb.c
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From: Jim Donahue <donahue@gregorio.stanford.edu>


Last week I tried installing the Andrew distribution from the X11R4
tapes.  With only a little work, I was able to get ez, chart, bush, ...
running.  However, I have two problems that have me stumped:

1. I made and tried to run the amsdemo.  It puts up a nice window
announcing the Andrew Message System, displays a message that says
something like "Initializing Andrew Message System...", waits about 30
seconds and then dies (the window disappears).  I have set what I
thought were an appropriate set of defaults in both AndrewSetup and
preferences, but I get more or less the same behavior whatever I try.
(I am not running AFS and have set the default to not use white pages.)
Any simple things I can try to find out what's going on?

2.  I can get a typescript window into which I can type.  However, when
I hit return after typing a command, nothing exciting happens.  Indeed,
the window behaves a lot like an emacs window -- when I type "^X-^C"
the window vanishes.

Another general question.  I built the examples and they all seemed to
build without difficulty.  Now, what can I do with them?  The
documentation in the README files doesn't say much, and I haven't found
anything in the help documentation that gives me any pointers.

Thanks,

Jim Donahue

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Subject: date in ez?

I know there must be a way to do this with embedded troff in ez, but I
don't know enough troff (or how to embed it in ez)....

What magic should I put in an ez document to get it to print the current
date when I send the file to a printer?

			-Steve.

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\quotation{Last week I tried installing the Andrew distribution from the X11R4

}\quotation{tapes. 

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I need some additional infomation:


\leftindent{- platform?

- any of the 9 available patches applied?

- could you place your site files somewhere in the Stanford AFS cell?}


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I don't use tm, so it surprises me that I am contributing to this discussion.

However, it wasn't compiling on my Ultrix4 DECMIPS host, so I asked John Carr, 
one of our bit-diddlers to tell me what to fix.


He supplied the following two patches (which affect the version of 
contrib/tm/tm.c which incorporates the patch from Guy Harris for Patch 10):


The first patch is a cleaner use of ioctl which is parameterized by system 
type.


The second notices that on an hpux system, pgrp is never set.


I am sending this patch to this forum so that other people who actually use 
tm, can confirm that this patch works.  It does solve my problem:  tm.c now 
compiles for me.  Does it cause other people problems?


-wdc


----8<----cut here ----8<----

\literal{*** tm.c	Tue Jun 18 13:35:53 1991

--- tm.c~	Tue Jun 18 13:26:23 1991

***************

*** 958,992 ****

      ERROR(buf);

  \}

  

- /* Does ioctl take a pointer arg? */

- #if defined(hpux) || _IBMR2 || SY_B43 || SY_AIX12 || SY_AIX11 || POSIX_ENV

  static int ON=1;

! static int OFF=0;

! 

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

!   (self->remote || \\

!    ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE,&ON) != -1 && self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! #define	LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

!   (!self->remote || \\

!    (ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE, &OFF) != -1 && self->remote--))

  #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! 

! #else /* integer arg3 to ioctl */

! 

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

  (self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE,1) != -1 || self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! #define	LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

!   (!self->remote || \\

!    (ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE, 0) != -1 && self->remote--))

! #endif /* INCORRECT SIGNALS */

  

! #endif /* ioctl arg type */

! 

  int termulator__StartProcess(self,args)

  struct termulator *self;

  char **args;

--- 958,1004 ----

      ERROR(buf);

  \}

  

  static int ON=1;

! #if defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2)

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

! (self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&ON)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff),ON)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Into TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! static int OFF=0;

! #define LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

! (!self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&OFF)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff),OFF)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Out of TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote--,TRUE)))

  #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! #else /* !defined(hpux) && !defined(_IBMR2) */

! #if !defined(M_UNIX)

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

  (self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&ON)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff),ON)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Into TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! static int OFF=0;

! #define LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

! (!self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&OFF)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff),OFF)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Out of TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote--,TRUE)))

! #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! #else /*  defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2)*/

! #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self)

  

! #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! static int OFF=0;

! #define LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self)

! #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! #endif /*M_UNIX */

! #endif /* defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2) */

  int termulator__StartProcess(self,args)

  struct termulator *self;

  char **args;

***************

*** 1530,1541 ****

  #endif /* TIOCSIG */

  #endif /* TIOCSIGNAL */

  #else /* POSIX_ENV */

! #ifndef hpux

      if(ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCGPGRP,&pgrp)<0)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(ioctl)");

      else if(killpg(pgrp,signo)==-1)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(kill)");

- #endif /* hpux */

  #endif /* POSIX_ENV */

  \}

  

--- 1542,1555 ----

  #endif /* TIOCSIG */

  #endif /* TIOCSIGNAL */

  #else /* POSIX_ENV */

! #ifdef hpux

!     if (0) \{\}

! #else /* hpux */

      if(ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCGPGRP,&pgrp)<0)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(ioctl)");

+ #endif /* hpux */

      else if(killpg(pgrp,signo)==-1)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(kill)");

  #endif /* POSIX_ENV */

  \}

  

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I'm sort of surprised to hear that someone doesn't use `tm'.  It's a
version of typescript that actually works with rlogin and/or
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I work at MIT, where there is no windowsystem but X and Xterm is her profit.


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Hello,

	I have been trying to create pop-up windows using the
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Two quickies:

1. A team here needs to create documents of around 300-500 sides of A4. Is ez 
a suitable editor for this, and if so, do separate parts of the document have 
to be included with in-line troff commands, or is there a tidy ``andrew'' way 
to do this?


2. Is this the right mailing list for this sort of query, or should it go 
somewhere else? Most items on this list seem to be of the \italic{how do I 
build} variety rather than the \italic{how do I do} kind.


===========


Any direct replies should be sent to druid@tsrl.GEC-Avionics.co.uk

It is possible that my headers may still be in UK format, but I'm working on 
it...

If you reply, could you mention whether my \bold{From} address was right?


	Mark.

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Ez can probably swallow large documents, but like most systems, tends to get 
bogged down on them.


My recommendation is that the documents be done in smaller chunks (as you 
would with other document preparation environments.)


Then produce a root file, and use datacat -i to produce the final large 
document from the parts.


Quoting from the datacat help page:


\leftindent{When given the \bold{-i} flag, datacat will search through the 
files it is passed for lines of the form


@include(filename)


}\leftindent{Datacat \bold{-i} will interpret all of the instances of this and 
include the named files in its output.


The \bold{-I} flag does the same as the \bold{-i} flag, except that it will 
also look for @include lines in the included files themselves.

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So you would have a root file that consisted of entries like this:


@include(chap1.ez)

@include(chap2.ez)



I  hope this helps,

-wdc

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Subject: Andrew to text format -- help?
Cc: Ned Freed <NED@HMCVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>, stef@ics.uci.edu
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(This is sort of halfway between an Andrew and an nroff question, but I
think it is of interest to Andrew users in general.)

I've recently had need to convert an Andrew-format document to a plain
text file for people to read all over the Internet, and the results are
still slightly glitchy.  I've figured out 2/3 of what I did wrong, but
would like advice on the last point.

First of all, I chose not to use the "ezview" program to simply strip
out all formatting, the way the mail system does, because I wanted to
end up with pagination, numbered page headings, table of contents, etc. 
So instead, I did the following:

ezprint -c -t $1 | nroff -Tlpr

The addition of the "-Tlpr" took care of most of my problems in the
first pass, such as embedded escape characters and weird page lengths. 
However, I am left with one undesirable oddity:  several things are
underlined with the ^H_ convention, which is not what I would consider
plain text.  Does anyone know how to tell nroff not to do this?  Thanks
in advance.  -- Nathaniel
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Thanks to all who responded.  I'm currently using the following command
which seems to do the trick:

ezprint -c -t my-file-name | nroff  -Tlpr | sed -e 1,\$s/_//g

Not entirely beautiful, but it the results look very nice!
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If you are indexing from a file (may occur in otther cases, I have not 
checked), and one index term is a sub-expression of another, your index will 
be (in my opinion) wrong.  The nature of the error depends on the order the 
index terms in the file.


Examples:


\bold{1}


Index file:


mvar

create-mvar


index:  create-mvar never appears!



\bold{2}


Index file:


create-mvar

mvar


index:  mvar appears, and create- appears.  create-mvar does not!



\bold{3}


Index file:


create-mvar

mvar       \italic{<- with a space after it.  All occurances have a space 
after.

}
index:  looks ok.



ralph hill

Bellcore


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Oop.  Lets try that again.  I miss-read my output.....




If you are indexing from a file (may occur in other cases, I have not 
checked), and one index term is a sub-expression of another, your index may be 
(in my opinion) wrong.  The error depends on the order the index terms in the 
file.


Examples:


\bold{1}


Index file:


mvar

create-mvar


index:  create-mvar never appears!



\bold{2}


Index file:


create-mvar

mvar


index:  looks ok.




I.e., users should sort their index files, longest words first.



   ralph hill

   Bellcore


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Here at Project Northstar, our courseware software (Northware) has enough of a 
distribution that we are getting mail messages from different places on 
different subjects that need to be sorted out and sent to the appropriate 
person.  One easy aspect is that all the mail funnels through our 'source' 
user id.  We are presently using the 'filter' program that comes with the 
'Elm' mailer to redirect the mail messages to the appropriate person.  The 
problem is that 'filter' can only forward, not resend.  (Resending allows us 
to Reply to the mail rather than compose a new mail message.)


I know that Flames exists, but I'm not sure that it is what I'm looking for. 
 Although some of the staff reads their mail with 'messages', not all the 
staff does, so a bulletin board system would fall short there.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.


   - \underline{Anthony}

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I'm sure you could use Flames to do what you want.  Certainly you can ask it 
to re-send messages based on their contents, among other things.  Clearly, the 
ultimate recipients don't have to use an AMS reader.


(Certainly lots of service-request mailboxes are processed first with Flames. 
 Advisor@andrew.cmu.edu, andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu, afshelp@transarc.com, 
for example.)


Another possibility (perhaps more distant) is to make an AMS bboard suite for 
Northware (maybe just for some parts of it), and non-Messages users could run 
VUI or BatMail or CUI to respond to questions.


It's up to you, I'd say.


		Craig

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Yes, we have something similar set up here; FLAMES has a built-in
"resendmessage" primitive that you can use to send it to (a list of)
people who won't read it on a bboard.  We use such a mixed system here,
with Andrew users reading the bboard version and non-Andrew users
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The ongoing saga of indexing.....


Index file:

mvar-p
mvar

index:  has -p and mvar.   Not good!

Anyone have any ideas?  My guess is that the indexing facility assumes
that ``-'' is a word break, and there would nver be a multi-word index
entry.

    ralph
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>    1.  Get a copy of the ATK modifications to GNU.  ATK developers
>    modifed the GNU debugger to deal with dynamically-loaded code. 
>    You can obtain the modifications by sending mail to
>    info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu.
>
>I was wondering if I could get copy of this wonderful tool.  Thanks.

GDB 3.5 comes standard with a separate set of modifications to deal with
dynamically-loaded code; I think it can cope with stuff loaded with
ATK's private dynamic loader. 

I have some patches to GDB 3.5 that can cope with SunOS 4.x's dynamic
loader; it handles both shared libraries and stuff loaded at run-time
with "dlopen()" under 4.1[.x] (although, as with the GDB support for
private dynamic loaders, you have to tell GDB to suck in the symbol
tables for stuff loaded at run-time; for stuff loaded with "dlopen()",
though, you don't have to tell it *what* to load, nor tell it where it
was loaded - it grovels through the run-time loader's data structures to
find that out). 

GDB is presumably available from any reasonable archive of GNU stuff, by
anonymous FTP or UUCP or whatever; I think you can also get it on a tape
from the FSF.
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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>RESOLVELIB is kind of broken on SunOS 4.1 and 4.1.1.
>It seems to have a funny format which upsets dynamic loading.

Actually, it may depend on whose dynamic loading you're talking about. 
:-)

The 4.1 "libresolv.a" appears to be filled with position-independent
".o" files; while that may mean they contain relocation directives that
ATK's private dynamic linker can't cope with, it means that the dynamic
linker built into SunOS 4.x may actually like them *better*, because
they don't require relocation. 

I.e., the intent was that the "libresolv.a" stuff could be put into a
modified "libc.so.X.Y" that, instead of using NIS to look up host names,
used the resolver, so that dynamically-linked programs would magically
start using the resolver.  You *could* link with "-lresolv" - as I
assume is done, in effect, with ATK programs - but I don't think that
was the primary way Sun expected it to be used.

When patch 10 comes out, this problem may go away, as ATK's private
dynamic loader isn't used for ".do" files in patch 10 under 4.1[.x];
instead, "doload()" is built atop the routines in "-ldl" (present in
SunOS 4.1[.x], SVR4, and perhaps in 4.4BSD). 
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\begindata{text,2819296}
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\template{messages}
If I send a message from \bold{messages}, then mark a couple of messages, then 
choose "Excerpt All" from the "Send/File Marked" menu, the marked messages are 
excerpted into the sending window, but the previously sent message is not 
cleared first.  Very inconvenient.


Bill

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Does anyone have the ATK font collection converted for use with MacX,
that I could copy somehow?

Bill
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\begindata{text,270479796}
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.cmu.info-andrew: 20-Jun-91 Re: Andrew to
text format -.. Nathaniel Borenstein@RCH (225)}


\quotation{Thanks to all who responded.  I'm currently using the following
command

}\quotation{which seems to do the trick:

}
\quotation{ezprint -c -t my-file-name | nroff  -Tlpr | sed -e 1,\\$s/_//g

}
\quotation{Not entirely beautiful, but it the results look very nice!

}
Did you try cleaning it up with col?


\example{ezprint -c -t my-file-name | nroff | col -b

}

-todd inglett

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Actually, one can argue over whether or not this is a bug, but if it is,
there's a similar bug in the "Excerpt body" command in the sending
window.  It, too, does not clear out a message that has already been
sent.  I'm not 100% sure it should, however -- sometimes one sends a
message, and then decides to add more and send it again.  At any rate, I
think these two functions should continue to behave similarly...
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I have come to rely heavily on the fact that excerpt body does not clear
out the previous message.

How else could I excerpt from two messages to the message I am
composing, or to insert the excerpt in the middle of the message?

-wdc
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Well, I was assuming that the behavior, if modified, would only be
modified in the case where the message had already been sent.  In other
words, if the message is just sitting around after a successful
delivery, and then you do an excerpt (or excerpt all), perhaps it would
make sense to clear it out first.  I agree that if it hasn't been
delivered yet, this would be a very dumb thing to do; I'm also not sure
if the differential behavior would be more trouble & confusion than it
is worth....
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There are 2 different issues here: one is an interesting difference in
use habits.  I always begin with the excerpts and annotate them so I'd
prefer the annotation to appear in a new message.  In fact, when I have
a new message open, Messages does the right thing.  However, the problem
is that when there is no new message window open (either starting fresh
or composing), Messages sticks up the last message that was mailed (i.e.
something already sent off to someone else in some other place) -- this
is, as Bill noted, less than convenient.
	--Susan
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        Susan Irwin <irwin@parc.xerox.com>
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It sounds to me like you (Susan) would be happy (as I am) if you turned
on the "clear after sending" option.  This yields exactly the behavior
you want, I think...
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\center{It's a baby ... no, it's a house ... no, it's

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At long last we have completed work on patch 10 of ATK. <\italic{Insert audio 
inset of Hallelujah chorus here}.> As those of you who know me personally are 
aware, my wife and I are expecting a baby this next week, and we're closing on 
a house this next week too, so it's been a race to see which of these new, 
exciting things would be delivered first. I'm delighted to announce that Patch 
10 has won the race!** Integrating all the new features and bug fixes (and 
bugs) you've sent us (plus adding our own) has been a monumental task, for 
which we should all thank Susan Straub and Gary Keim.


You can pick up a copy of the entire tree from the file andrew.010.tar.Z via 
anonymous ftp from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62) in the top level 
directory; the patch is split in the ./patches directory as patch.010aa, 
patch.010ab, patch.010ac and patch.010ad. You should apply them individually, 
starting with aa through ad.  


Many thanks to all of the contributors who are making this possible. 
Especially to Andy Palay, who had his fun fixing a lot of the little details 
of text before moving on to his new position at SGI. Thanks also to Bill 
Cattey of Project Athena at MIT, Curt Galloway of SCO, Jean Gascon of HP, Guy 
Harris, Charles Hayden of Bell Labs, and all the others whose contributions 
are of great importance to the continued success of ATK.


Here's an overview of what's new in patch 10:


Contributed code:


\description{\leftindent{Contributed code from MIT, including transient window 
support and header & footer object

Contributed (untested) code from SCO w/ port to SCO Unix

Port to HP RISC machine (HP-UX 7.0), contributed by BellSouth and HP

}\description{Improved SunOS4.x support, including contributed code to use 
SunOS4.x native dynamic loading

Contributed code from Bell Labs including vi-style editing

}
}New ITC work:


\description{\leftindent{Motif style menu emulation, with optional pop-up 
menus

Motif style scroll bar option

Motif style dialog box option

Motif style buttons

}}
Changes to existing components:


\leftindent{\description{Improved Animation object that doesn't block while 
animating

Improved Adew application builder w/ ability to create true insets (some of 
the new Adew features are not yet documented; contact Tom Neuendorffer 
(tpn+@andrew.cmu.edu) for more information)

Improved text scrolling code that allows partial scrolling of insets

Improved typescript completion code

Improved tabs support (from MIT with some modification)

Better support for handling ~ in file names (esp. w/ AFS)

Improved RS6000 support, including working typescript

Color text support, including support for setting color styles in lookz

Improved style editor, including ability to bring up lookz in a separate 
window

}Interline/Interparagraph spacing in text (and lookz)

Improved style model, including ability to control styles with keystrokes

Improved hyperlink, including 2 new button styles

Raw mode reading of files and templates

^U handling now in interaction manager

AFS 3.1 support

Support for running under Sun OpenWindows

*Lots* of small improvements

}
\bold{Important note}: The change to tabs requires a change to ctext 
templates. The default ctext template has been changed accordingly; if you 
have your own, add the line


	attr:[Flags TabsCharacters Int Set]


as an attribute of the global style.



And now a special round of applause to Tom Neuendorffer, who has put a lot of 
effort into ATK over the years, and into patch 10 as well. I'll turn the floor 
over to Tom for a minute to let him tell you about a recent change in the ATK 
group:

____________________________________________________________


\leftindent{\heading{A Change at the Helm.}


As many of you know, I have been managing a small but very productive ATK 
group at the ITC since January 1990. In that time we have been putting out ATK 
patches on a semi-regular basis containing bug fixes and many backward 
compatible enhancements. I believe we have been fairly successful in our 
support of ATK.  One of our users commented to me that we have been more 
responsive to bugs and complaints than the commercial vendors he has been 
dealing with. 


Recently the ITC has begun work on a new project called TACTUS, whose goal is 
to see what support at the toolkit level can be provided to programmers 
interested in creating real- time objects, such as music, video, and 
animation. The project is being headed by Roger Dannenberg, and several 
researchers, including myself, have joined in this effort. In order to devote 
more time to this new work, I am turning over my position as manager of the 
ATK group to David Anderson, who has been working on toolkit architectural 
issues with Andy Palay for several years and has expressed to me his interest 
in taking over the helm. I wish him him good fortune in his new endeavor, and 
I expect to see him lead the group to new successes.  


For my own part, I plan to remain active in the ATK community. Meanwhile, I 
would like to take this opportunity to publicly thank those who have worked 
with me on ATK. Thanks to Gary Keim for his ability to track down and fix 
bugs, and his deep dedication to the users of ATK. Thanks to Susan Straub and 
her superb work as point-person for the group. Thanks to our part-timers: Rob 
Ryan and Stephan Greene for their work. Thanks to David Anderson, Bob 
Glickstein, Fred Hansen, John Howard, Dave Mattis, Mike McInerny, Andy Palay, 
Adam Stoller,  and the other ITCers outside of the ATK group who have made 
their  contributions to ATK over the last 15 months. Thanks to ex-ITCers Craig 
Everhart and Nathanial Borenstein for their continued work on AMS.Thanks also 
to those others offsite who have 'aided and abbetted' this work, including 
Bill Janssen, Dick Orgass, Andy Arhelger, Bob Oesterlin, the patch 10 
contributers listed above, and all those who contribute to this newsgroup. 
Thanks to your work ATK is a viable working system at many sites around the 
world.} 


	Tom Neuendorffer


____________________________________________________________


Your bug reports are welcome; send them to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu and 
we will periodically post a status report to info-andrew.


--David Anderson, ATK manager


Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

+1 412-268-5791 // 412-268-6787 (fax)


**: A note from Gary & Susan:


As we've been waiting for the OK on this released for some time, David 
Anderson has both had a bouncing baby daughter and closed on his house.  Thus, 
this patch takes its proper priority in being last.  Congratulations to David 
and Lynn!

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No, my wife and I are not having a baby.  In fact, I'm not even married.  I 
don't think I'm pregnant, either.  


Sorry for the confusion ... David's off with his new deliveries and asked that 
we send the notice out as soon as we received approval.  


It must be Friday.  Sigh. 


Susan 

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Yes, I wouldn't want it to clear out an unsent message.  The case is
that a message has been sent, and the sending window has been unmapped;
now the user (in the work pattern we are seeing) start to compose a new
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The fixes for this and some other index bugs are included in patch 10.


	Regards,

		Tom Neuendorffer

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From: Susan Straub <susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: READMEs

For some unknown reason, the compressed tar file of the entire tree,
andrew.010.tar.Z, didn't have the top level README and README.ez files
(although it had the other top level files ... you tell me?)

Anyway, I recreated the file and tar'd it back off and the READMEs now
exist. The new files is:

-rw-        1 susan                12475077 Jun 21 21:11 andrew.010.tar.Z

If you happened to pick up the file prior to 21:11, you can just get the
READMEs from the andrew directory under the top-level ftp directory.
 
We're looking forward to getting your feedback on patch 10.
 
Susan Straub
Andrew Toolkit Group
<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>

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in article <YcM=Pny0M2Yt4JqbQ7@thumper.bellcore.com>, nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) says:
> 
> (This is sort of halfway between an Andrew and an nroff question, but I
> think it is of interest to Andrew users in general.)
> 
> out all formatting, the way the mail system does, because I wanted to
>  .........(deleted)
> end up with pagination, numbered page headings, table of contents, etc. 
> So instead, I did the following:
> 
> ezprint -c -t $1 | nroff -Tlpr
> 
> The addition of the "-Tlpr" took care of most of my problems in the
> first pass, such as embedded escape characters and weird page lengths. 
> However, I am left with one undesirable oddity:  several things are
> underlined with the ^H_ convention, which is not what I would consider
> plain text.  Does anyone know how to tell nroff not to do this?  Thanks
> in advance.  -- Nathaniel

If u have nroff available,  u should find "col" around as well.  col is
designed (I gather) to buffer nroff output and stop printers from
jumping off the table as they attempt reverse line-feed and such 4th,
but its -b option should get rid of your back-spacing problem.

Incidentally,  I assume you really mean that your output is of the
form "_^Hchar_^Hchar" rather than "char^H_char^H_" (at least I hope
it is)  .... col's -b option effectively overwrites all back-space
sequences with the last character of the sequence,  so if you're
really getting the underscore last in the sequence,  this won't work.

Anyway,  try: ezprint -c -t $1 | nroff -Tlpr |col -b

							Cheers,
							Tony S
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Jun-91 Re: messages 
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\quotation{It sounds to me like you would be happy (as I am) if you turned

}\quotation{on the "clear after sending" option.  This yields exactly the 
behavior

}\quotation{you want, I think...

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That's what I use, and I'm happy as a clam. 
 \footnote{\
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\view{fnotev,3062768,1,0,0}}  I always keep blind carbon copies of all the 
mail I send out, so if I ever need to reuse the text of a message, I can 
always do a \typewriter{\bold{\smaller{Restore Draft}}} from my copies folder. 
 Or if you know ahead of time you'll be modifying the message after you send 
it, you can click on \smaller{\bold{\typewriter{Will Clear}}} in the 
\italic{sendmessage} window before you send it.


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

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Thanks, col is indeed the right thing to use.  -- NB
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I thought that I'd just post my menubar preferences so that those of you with 
color monitors could have a starting place for configuring your environment 
(and so you might be motivated to get on patch.10).  I set colors based on 
whether or not I'm logged into my RS6K, rascal.


(rascal) gk5g> \bold{cat preferences}

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:ez.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:ez.backgroundcolor: antiquewhite1

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:console.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:console.backgroundcolor: cornsilk

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:typescript.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:typescript.backgroundcolor: cornsilk3

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages.backgroundcolor: cornsilk2


console.bodyfont: andysans12

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:ez.bodyfont: andysans14

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages.bodyfont: andysans14

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages-send.bodyfont: andysans14


messages.PopupMenuList: "",  "Other"

ez.PopupMenuList: "",  "Other"

*.PopupMenuList: ""

console.Menubar:off

*.Menubar:on

*.PopUpMenus:on

*.MenubarShadowDepth: 3

*.MenubarTitleFont: andysans14

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarItemFont: andysans14b


?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarTitlesColor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarTitleColor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarBackgroundColor:#9db5cd

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarItemColor: #fce089

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarCardBackgroundColor:#9db5cd


*.MenubarGrayItemColor:grey80

*.MenubarGrayTitleColor:grey60


?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarTopShadowColor: lightgrey

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarBottomShadowColor: grey


?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarCardTopShadowColor: lightgrey

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarCardBottomShadowColor:grey


Have fun.

Gary Keim

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\quotation{?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:

}
I believe this can be more simply replaced with:


\example{?C=rs:}


"?C" is the same as:


\example{$ANDREWDIR/bin/sys -c}


This way you don't have to list every machine of the same type in a separate 
preference:


--fish

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\quotation{I believe this can be more simply replaced with:

}
\quotation{\example{?C=rs:}

}

Actually, what one really needs is a way to ask about the display (the one 
pointed to by $DISPLAY): 


?DisplayClass=Color:...


or


?DisplaySize=1280x1024:...


or


?DisplayResolution=75:...



Does this seem like a reasonable proposal?


-Michael

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\quotation{Actually, what one really needs is a way to ask about the display 
(the one pointed to by $DISPLAY): 

}
\quotation{?DisplayClass=Color:...

}
\quotation{or

}
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}
\quotation{or

}
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This reminds me a lot of the discussions that led to the "?M=", etc. syntax in 
the first place.  Eventually, I added in a "?E=" (for things dependent on 
environment variables) because the predefined things like machine type & name 
were just not enough.  I'm not sure you want to enumerate all the desired 
possibilities, either.  Instead, one possibility is a more general mechanism 
in which a command is executed and its exit status determines whether or not 
the preference should be read.  For example:


?X=/u/nsb/bin/iscolor: some-preference


would execute the /u/nsb/bin/iscolor program and have some-preference take 
effect only if it returns a non-zero value.  You might also want to hardwire 
some of the more common ones, like the ones Mike mentions, but there will be a 
never-ending stream of them.


However, this is (obviously) not very efficient.  But why do we need any 
changes at all?  You can do the "right thing" today, with no code changes, if 
you really want.  Add the code to .xinitrc that checks whatever you want and 
sets an environment variable, e.g.


if (big-hairy-test) then

    setenv ISCOLOR 1

else

    setenv ISCOLOR 0

endif


and then have preferences of the form


?E=ISCOLOR=1: whatever


I believe that this approach will work for you today, without going any 
further down the slippery slope of hard-wired preference options.... -- 
Nathaniel

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Well, here we go.

When compiling patch10 on a sun4 machine which is running sunos 4.1.1:

\example{\smaller{building (dependInstall) 
(/a/beauty/home/theory/andrew/sun4/build/overhead/class/machdep/sun_sparc)

}}the file global.o is not created in shared library form (at least, it is not 
placed in the 'shared' directory.


However, later on:

\example{\smaller{building (dependInstall) 
(/a/beauty/home/theory/andrew/sun4/build/overhead/class/lib)

[...]

ld -assert pure-text -o libclass.a shared/class.o classproc.o 
../machdep/machine/entry.o \\

    ../machdep/machine/shared/doload.o shared/mapping.o \\

    shared/classind.o ../machdep/machine/shared/globals.o

ld: ../machdep/machine/shared/globals.o: No such file or directory

*** Error code 4

}}
This ain't good.  Thinking that maybe it isn't supposed to be in 'shared' (as 
entry.o is not), I changed the local Makefile to reference 
../machdep/machine/globals.o.  This failed badly with the assert pure-text 
complaining. I assume this means that it needs munging into position 
independent code.


Looking further into this, the directory ../machdep/machine is a symlink to 
../machdep/sun_sparc. This *should* be sun_sparc_41 surely... In the Makefile, 
SYS_OS_ARCH=sun_sparc_41 is set from the macro file, but this is overriden to 
be sun_sparc later on:

\example{\smaller{
# End of what comes from the allsys.mcr file

#


        MALLOCALIGNMENT = 8


        PICFLAG = -pic


        SHLIBLDFLAGS = -assert pure-text


XUTILDIR=/usr/bin/X11


        SYSTEM_H_FILE = sun4_41/system.h


        SYS_IDENT = sun4_41

        SYS_OS_ARCH = sun_sparc


#

# The following is from the allsys.mcr file, and may be over-ridden

}}[...]


I removed this second definition of SYS_OS_ARCH, redid the makefiles and redid 
the make of the machdep and lib directories and it all hummed along happily.

So... somehow, this second (and wrong) definition is creeping in from 
somewhere. I dunno how. Any clues?


Nick.


(BTW, same directory (class/lib):

"class.c", line 594: warning: illegal pointer combination

I don't know how religious ITC is about removing these...)


Nick Williams, Dept of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK.

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\quotation{What magic should I put in an ez document to get it to print the 
current

}\quotation{date when I send the file to a printer?

}

Take a look at the writestamp and timeoday insets, and some of the options 
available with the header/footer object. timeoday sounds like what you're 
asking for.


--david

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Transient window support has been added in patch 10. Take a look at these new 
methods in im:


	CreateTransientWindow(struct im *other) returns boolean;

	CreateOverrideWindow(struct im *other) returns boolean;


--david

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N J Williams@doc.imperia (2092+0)}


\quotation{Looking further into this, the directory ../machdep/machine is a 
symlink to ../machdep/sun_sparc. This *should* be sun_sparc_41 surely... In 
the Makefile, SYS_OS_ARCH=sun_sparc_41 is set from the macro file, but this is 
overriden to be sun_sparc later on:

}
Yes, it is overriden by your site files.  I believe all of what follows came 
from your site.mcr file:


XUTILDIR=/usr/bin/X11


        SYSTEM_H_FILE = sun4_41/system.h


        SYS_IDENT = sun4_41

        SYS_OS_ARCH = sun_sparc


The reason I think this is because if you look at the last few macros defined 
by sun4_41/system.mcr you see that they are:


        	MALLOCALIGNMENT = 8

	PICFLAG = -pic

	SHLIBLDFLAGS = -assert pure-text


Can you send me your site files?  I'd like to figure this out.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I just grabbed the entire andrew tree with patch 10 (andrew.010.tar.Z).
 I think I have it setup correctly -- I'm using the defaults supplied.

When running "make World" it ends with:

building (dependInstall) (/oldusr/src/andrew/overhead/class/machdep)
make DESTDIR=/usr/andrew install
rm -f machine
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touch install.time
touch install.doc
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Make:  Don't know how to make .a.  Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Did I goof the setup?  I've not editted site.h or site.mcr as my X11
utilities are in /usr/local/bin and I'm using the stock install locations, etc.

--Dwight D. McKay, Computer Systems Specialist
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From conftest (make log)
%%%% Executing the configuration tester.
./conftest
conftest: Checking configuration for sys type ``sun4_41'', full name ``SUN4_4.3b
sd''
Sys type sun4_41 is most like 4.3 BSD.
conftest: Checking for problems in the allsys.h/system.h/site.h files.
AFS_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.
Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AFS_ENV .

Where does it say that if I define AFS_ENV that WHITEPAGES_ENV must be
defined?



-- 
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\quotation{building (dependInstall) 
(/oldusr/src/andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips)

}\quotation{Make:  Don't know how to make .a.  Stop.

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}
\quotation{Stop.

}
\quotation{Did I goof the setup?  I've not editted site.h or site.mcr as my 
X11

}\quotation{utilities are in /usr/local/bin and I'm using the stock install 
locations, etc.

}
Yes.  From the top-level README:


\subsection{1.2.7	Notes on Installation on a MIPS system}


The MIPS compiler tools have a notion of a global area into which small data 
items are allocated.  This allows the compiler to generate small-offset 
addresses for these items, which gives better performance.  By default, any 
item eight (8) bytes or smaller gets allocated into this area.  Unfortunately, 
the global area mechanism clashes horribly with the way dynamic loading works. 
 The problem is that the global area is fixed in size at link time and cannot 
be expanded at run time.  Therefore if a dynamic object (.do file) contains 
any data that must go in the global area, the object cannot be loaded.


In order to get around this problem, all code that goes into .do files must be 
compiled with the "-G 0" switch.  For source code shipped in the Andrew 
distribution, this is not really a problem, since we just compile everything 
-G 0.  However, one must also provide -G 0 versions of certain system 
libraries as well.  In particular, the following libraries are needed in -G 0 
form:


    libc.a

    libm.a

    libX11.a

    All of the AFS libraries, if AFS_ENV is set.


On some systems, these libraries will be available in the same place as their 
-G 8 couterparts, but with _G0 appended to their names (e.g. libc_G0.a instead 
of libc.a).  On other systems, one must compile these libraries from source.


Once the appropriate libraries are collected, they must be made known to the 
build process.  At present, this is done in a somewhat ad-hoc fashion.  There 
is a make variable MIPSLIBC_G0 which should be set in config/site.mcr to the 
path of one's -G 0 libc.a, sans the trailing ".a".   For example:


MIPSLIBC_G0 =  /usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0/libc


This macro is used in overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips/Imakefile .  The rest of 
the libraries must be placed in a directory that will be searched by the 
makedo shell script.  By default, this directory is $(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0/ . 
 This can be changed by editing the path following the -L on the following 
line in overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips/makedo.csh:


ld -L$\{libdir\}/mips_G0 -r -o $\{outfile:r\}.dog $filelist 
$\{libdir\}/libcx.a | egrep "ld:"


If a dynamic object contains some non -G 0 code, makedo will print an error 
message and exit, thereby stopping the build.


-end-


Furthermore, there use to be a collection of some important G0 libraries in 
the ftp directory, but they seem to have gone away.  I'll investigate where 
and why?


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I am very glad that patch 10 has arrived.  I very much would like to
have a copy, and it is very nice that it has been made available for
ftp.

I have a problem.  I do not have ftp access.  (Sigh.)  Is there a mail server
somewhere, somehow, that I can use to have just the patches delivered
to me?

Thanks in advance,

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My first response had the wrong Subject: line so here is a repeat:


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jun-91 Patch 10, sunos 4.1.1 john 
powell@uunet.uu.net (649)}


\quotation{From conftest (make log)

}\quotation{%%%% Executing the configuration tester.

}\quotation{./conftest

}\quotation{conftest: Checking configuration for sys type ``sun4_41'', full 
name ``SUN4_4.3b

}\quotation{sd''

}\quotation{Sys type sun4_41 is most like 4.3 BSD.

}\quotation{conftest: Checking for problems in the allsys.h/system.h/site.h 
files.

}\quotation{AFS_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.

}\quotation{Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AFS_ENV .

}
\quotation{Where does it say that if I define AFS_ENV that WHITEPAGES_ENV must 
be

}\quotation{defined?

}
I think it's a bug in overhead/sys/conftest.c:


\smaller{/* AFS_ENV => WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#ifdef AFS_ENV

#ifndef WHITEPAGES_ENV

    printf("AFS_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.\\n");

    printf("Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AFS_ENV .\\n");

    OneProb = 1;

#endif /* WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#endif /* AFS_ENV */


/* AMS_DELIVERY_ENV => WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#ifdef AMS_DELIVERY_ENV

#ifndef WHITEPAGES_ENV

    printf("AMS_DELIVERY_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.\\n");

    printf("Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AMS_DELIVERY_ENV .\\n");

    OneProb = 1;

#endif /* WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#endif /* AMS_DELIVERY_ENV */

}
It doesn't seem right that you must define the WHITEPAGES_ENV if you want to 
link against AFS.  I think that the first block can be removed.  John, can you 
do this and see if things roll? or, you could define WHITEPAGES_ENV (of 
course).


Gary Keim

ATK Group


Upon further reflection, it does appear that that it is necessary to define 
WHITEPAGES_ENV if you also define AFS_ENV.  From the \italic{white-pages} help 
file:


\section{What Uses the White Pages 

}\leftindent{
Applications that make use of the WP are called ``clients''.  Some WP clients 
that you probably use include the Andrew Message System (  \italic{AMS  }), 
the Andrew File System (  \italic{\bold{AFS}  }), and the  \italic{ls } , 
 \italic{login }, and  \italic{finger } programs.  You can also write programs 
of your own that use either the site WP or some other WP that you create.

}
It could very well be that this is a \bold{bold-face lie}, but I was looking 
through some code in overhead/util/lib that had quite a bit of mixing of AFS 
and WP calls.  Maybe Craig Everhart can give us the real poop on this matter.

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Stephen, 

You can get a copy split and mailed to you by sending mail to andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu.  Since some mailers don't don't like the long lines, if you have 
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I believe that the test in conftest is correct as it stands.  Certainly it 
says that AFS_ENV implies WHITEPAGES_ENV in the file Gary quotes.  It is an 
oversight that this implication isn't in the README file.


I suppose, though, that if you wanted to turn off AMS_ENV entirely, you 
wouldn't need WHITEPAGES_ENV, even if AFS_ENV were defined.


We never designed for AFS_ENV being defined without WHITEPAGES_ENV also being 
defined.  I expect that if you try to build the world this way, you'll 
encounter link errors, and if you solve them, you may encounter run-time 
errors.  Why not build with WHITEPAGES_ENV on?  It's simple enough.


		Craig

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(sunos4.1.1, sun4, atk patch10)

Yet another failed build, I'm afraid.
This time, while building atk/ness/objects/nevent.c

This file attempts to include <value.h> which is not installed anywhere.
The file is found from atk/value/value.h and manually installing this
file into an atk include directory fixes the problem.
Whether this is the desired fix....? :-)

Nick
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Yes, I'm back again, with more problems of patch10 under sunos411 ;-)


\description{1. 	Firstly dynamic loading under sunos.  I can't quite see how 
it does it, but that's fine by me.  Unfortunately, if the user has the 
environment variable \bold{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} set (at our site, many users set 
this for where to find openwindows libraries: they are installed in a 
non-standard place), then the dynamic loading does not work:

\example{\smaller{
beauty% setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/openwin/lib

beauty% runapp -d helpapp -d

dlopen: stub interception failed

Abort

}}
	Trying to add $(ANDREWDIR)/dlib/atk  into the LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't fix it 
and I can't see how the loading is working, so I can't think of anything else. 
 Help!


}\description{2. 	Invoking spell under ez gives a core dump.  I don't have a 
debugging version built yet, so I can't give more info. We have ispell 
installed (/usr/local/bin/ispell).  No message is printed. It just dies. The 
same thing happened with the compile object.  I rebuilt all the objects in 
'atk/extensions' with debugging, reinstalled the objects and both compile and 
spell work fine.... They just break when built without debugging.


3. 	Requesting the function \bold{compchar-compose} returns "Could not load 
procedure"  This happens whether compchar is built with debugging or not. 
 Don't know how to fix this.


4.	When built with the definition to use the standard ISO fonts as opposed to 
the andrew supplied fonts, the icons (for example as used by messages) are not 
available.  After manually invoking 'mkfontdir' on the X11fonts directory, 
this was fixed.


5.	Everything else seems to work! :-)


Nick.

}
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With the ISO fonts env variable set...
the value font 'values25' is not installed.
This font should be installed no matter what as it is needed by various
utilites for the icons within it.

Nick.
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What is wrong???  I have been compiling and compiling...




cc -O -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   -o v
uin  andmach.o andmpc.o andpnlm.o cmdargs.o  lmenus.o panelp.o vui.o vuibase.o v
uipnl.o  vuiscrns.o vuisend.o vuimenus.o vuimsgs.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /us
r/andrew/lib/libcuin.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a  /
usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a /usr
/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a /usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a /
usr/andrew/lib/libafs.a     -lcurses -ltermcap   -ldl
ld: Undefined symbol
   _dn_expand
   _res_search
   _res_init
   __res
   _dn_skipname
*** Error code 2
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `vuin'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/X-R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclie
nts/vui
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/X-R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclie
nts/vui
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'



						Thanks,


						Scott
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I'm running patch10 under SunOS 4.1.1 here too.  I didn't encounter

the dynamic loading program you're seeing.  My LD_LIBRARY_PATH

is:  /usr/lib:/usr/openwin/lib.  You might your class path to make sure it 
contains only PL10 compiled objects.  I found that pre PL10 and PL10

objects don't mix well.


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\quotation{1. 	Firstly dynamic loading under sunos.  I can't quite see how it 
does it, but that's fine by me.  Unfortunately, if the user has the 
environment variable \bold{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} set (at our site, many users set 
this for where to find openwindows libraries: they are installed in a 
non-standard place), then the dynamic loading does not work:

}\example{\smaller{
\quotation{beauty% setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/openwin/lib

}\quotation{beauty% runapp -d helpapp -d

}\quotation{dlopen: stub interception failed

}\quotation{Abort

}}}
\quotation{Trying to add $(ANDREWDIR)/dlib/atk  into the LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
doesn't fix it and I can't see how the loading is working, so I can't think of 
anything else.  Help!

}
Change the order of the libraries to /usr/lib:/lib:/usr/openwin/lib.  It's 
using the libdl.so from /lib which is just a placeholder (or something).  I am 
unsure why you need to be setting this at all.  The OpenWindows executables 
should "know" where to find their libraries.



Gary

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}\quotation{   _dn_skipname

}

These are all resolver symbols which should either be in libc.a (on some 
systems) or in a libresolv.a (usually from the bind package) 


Whether or not the toolkit expects these symbols to be around, I believe is 
contingent upon settings in the config file relative to RESOLVER_ENV (or 
somesuch - see the README file)


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\quotation{/lib is just a link to /usr/lib under SunOS these days, so 
/lib/libdl.so and

}\quotation{/usr/lib/libdl.so should be the same file.

}

Yes, they are the same file, but having /lib prior to /usr/lib in 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH confuses the SunOS4.x run-time loader.  Don't aks me why.  Guy 
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Yes I did try adding more backslashs, no luck. A quich work around might
be to use multiple single quotes rather than a single double quote. 
(i.e. ``foo'' rather than "foo"). This is the preferered style for many
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	Now that I think about it, if it does work, I could have txttroff
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\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 25-Jun-91 
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}
\quotation{\quotation{   _dn_expand

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}}\quotation{\quotation{   _res_init

}}\quotation{\quotation{   __res

}}\quotation{\quotation{   _dn_skipname

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}
This is true, but there seems to be an error in the Imakefile (Sparcstation). 


\typewriter{\leftindent{#ifdef RESOLVER_ENV

RESOLVER_LIB = $\{RESOLVLIB\}

#else

RESOLVER_LIB =

#endif /* RESOLVER_ENV */

}}
If you replace \typewriter{$\{RESOLVLIB\} }with \typewriter{RESOLVLIB }in the 
Imakefiles , do a "make Makefiles ; make Install"

you will get all built...

There was something like 

\typewriter{\leftindent{RESOLVER_LIB = $\{/usr/lib/libresolv.a\}

}}in my Makefile... :-)


	Juergen


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PL10 on DECstation 5000, Ultrix V4.1:


some little problems - i include the diffs below . The v_swtch, v_intr and 
v_syscall structure members are still not there - no i'm not volunteering! The 
(very little) diff for atk/typescript/tscript.c was already sent to Gary Keim. 
The good news: The unaligned access problem isn't one anymore ! Thanks to all 
the people at the ITC/ATK-group. 


------------diff for atk/console/stats/pmax_3/getstats.c--------

*** getstats.c~	Mon Aug  6 17:05:37 1990

--- getstats.c	Tue Jun 25 23:09:10 1991

***************

*** 198,206 ****

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUERUN, total.t_rq));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEBLOCK, total.t_dw + total.t_pw));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEMEM, total.t_sw));

!     sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSIO, rate.v_intr));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSYS, rate.v_syscall));

!     sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSWAP, rate.v_swtch));

      if (1) \{/* DoPROCESSES */

  	int i, j, userprocesses, totalprocesses, otherprocs;

  	off_t tmpprocp;

--- 198,206 ----

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUERUN, total.t_rq));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEBLOCK, total.t_dw + total.t_pw));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEMEM, total.t_sw));

! /*    sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSIO, rate.v_intr));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSYS, rate.v_syscall));

!     sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSWAP, rate.v_swtch)); */

      if (1) \{/* DoPROCESSES */

  	int i, j, userprocesses, totalprocesses, otherprocs;

  	off_t tmpprocp;

--------------------------------------------

-----------diff for atk/typescript/tscript.c-----------------------

*** tscript.c~	Mon Jun 17 22:55:17 1991

--- tscript.c	Tue Jun 25 22:33:24 1991

***************

*** 1256,1262 ****

  	   of the encoding of ioctl's.  BUT it compiles correctly

  	   with the ioctl.h from either 4.2 or 4.3.  What can you do?

  	   Note that the ON flag is passed by reference in 4.3, by value in 4.2 */

! #if defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) || defined(_IBMR2) || 
defined(hpux)

          if(ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IOW('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff, int), &ON) == 
-1)

              ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IO('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff), ON);

  #else /* defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) */

--- 1256,1262 ----

  	   of the encoding of ioctl's.  BUT it compiles correctly

  	   with the ioctl.h from either 4.2 or 4.3.  What can you do?

  	   Note that the ON flag is passed by reference in 4.3, by value in 4.2 */

! #if defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) || defined(_IBMR2) || 
defined(hpux) || defined (ultrix)

          if(ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IOW('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff, int), &ON) == 
-1)

              ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IO('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff), ON);

  #else /* defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) */

-----------------------------end-----------


	J\^{|}rgen


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\quotation{This is true, but there seems to be an error in the Imakefile 
(Sparcstation). 

}
\typewriter{\leftindent{\quotation{#ifdef RESOLVER_ENV

}\quotation{RESOLVER_LIB = $\{RESOLVLIB\}

}\quotation{#else

}\quotation{RESOLVER_LIB =

}\quotation{#endif /* RESOLVER_ENV */

}}}
\quotation{If you replace \typewriter{$\{RESOLVLIB\} }with 
\typewriter{RESOLVLIB }in the Imakefiles , do a "make Makefiles ; make 
Install"

}\quotation{you will get all built...

}\quotation{There was something like 

}\typewriter{\leftindent{\quotation{RESOLVER_LIB = $\{/usr/lib/libresolv.a\}

}}}\quotation{in my Makefile... :-)

}

I think that you may have #defined your RESOLVLIB in site.h instead of setting 
it as a macro in site.mcr:


        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a


[Don't forget the 8 leading space characters.]

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\quotation{I think that you may have #defined your RESOLVLIB in site.h instead 
of setting it as a macro in site.mcr:

}
\quotation{        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

}
\quotation{[Don't forget the 8 leading space characters.]

}

My apologies, i \bold{\underline{defined}} it in site.mcr (this was my first 
time to install the ATK on a Sparc and i did \bold{NOT}

copy my standard site.\{h,mcr\} files... boing, got him... :-)


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\quotation{I thought that I'd just post my menubar preferences so that those 
of you with color monitors could have a starting place for configuring your 
environment (and so you might be motivated to get on patch.10).  I set colors 
based on whether or not I'm logged into my RS6K, rascal.

}
I've tried this on my DECstation 5000/200PX, unfortunately with a R3 based X 
Server (shame on you, DEC). The problem is now, that dialog boxes are 
\bold{deep black}...

On the Sparc (SunOS 4.1.1) it pops up in a bright blue with motifish 
appearence. What can I do ?


	J\^{|}rgen


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Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

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Yes, how can we turn off that lurid blue color in the dialog boxes, and
get back to the good old ATK-style dialog boxes?

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Howdy all-
	I'm attempting to install andrew from scratch on our local network.  To
do this I grabbed the andrew release on tape 4 from export.lcs.mit.edu along with
all ten patchlevels, applied the patches, did the configuration, and attempted
to make it.
	I'm ending up with errors that go above and beyond those mentioned here
with patchlevel 10 for suns--this includes directories out of place, an 
occasional include file not where it belongs....basically a plethora of small,
easily-fixed-but-still-annoying problems.
	I guess the question is: is there some better way to go at this?  

-Tim Kolar 
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Excerpts from misc: 26-Jun-91 installation on sun 4.1 (he.. Timothy
Daniel Kolar@ucb (605)

> I guess the question is: is there some better way to go at this?  


Yes.  The easiest and least painful way to get up to speed is to grab
the entire andrew.010.tar.Z file from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.30.62) via anonymous ftp.    Use the following command to read
off the tree: uncompress < ../andrew.010.tar.Z | tar -xvpf - .

Then, after thoroughly reading the README ;-), modify the config/site
files, do a make World, then go home or take a *long* coffee break. 

Good luck,  

Susan Straub
Andrew Toolkit Group
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In article <0cOEaq600Vtp4ATG1a@andrew.cmu.edu> you write: 
|> 
|> Yes.  The easiest and least painful way to get up to speed is to grab
|> the entire andrew.010.tar.Z file from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu
|> (128.2.30.62) via anonymous ftp.    Use the following command to read
|> off the tree: uncompress < ../andrew.010.tar.Z | tar -xvpf - .
|> 
|> Then, after thoroughly reading the README ;-), modify the config/site
|> files, do a make World, then go home or take a *long* coffee break


Many thanks.

-Tim Kolar
shandon@cash.ucsc.edu

P.S.  Do I _have_ to read the README?  Couldn't I just pretend I've read past
section 2?  :-)
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"Angry fruit salad" indeed?

-GAWollman
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It's a well known fact that no matter what the setup, somebody
wil not like it.  Let me make it an open challenge for all
to offer their personal favorite colors to all of us in
info-andrew-land.

Come on, Garrett, fork over your preferences file.

-Gary

PS - there has been a recent patch sent by Todd Inglett
that allows you to specify that you want MOTIF cmenus. Patch.11


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\quotation{It's a well known fact that no matter what the setup, somebody

}\quotation{wil not like it.  Let me make it an open challenge for all

}\quotation{to offer their personal favorite colors to all of us in

}\quotation{info-andrew-land.

}
\quotation{Come on, Garrett, fork over your preferences file.

}
\quotation{-Gary

}
\quotation{PS - there has been a recent patch sent by Todd Inglett

}\quotation{that allows you to specify that you want MOTIF cmenus. Patch.11

}

That's at all no solution for my problem. I get with the same preferences 
different looks on my DECstation and on a Sparcstation. I suppose the look on 
the Sparcstation normal... (this blue one). On the DECstation it's different - 
as usual (SIGH). It's all black with the only difference of the font (it's 
dark grey) - beside all matters of taste - this is \bold{VERY} ugly. 
\bold{HELP!}


	J\^{|}rgen





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In order to deal with the Xnews cursor bug, I really got used to having
everything in snow on SlateGray...  This has the advantage (besides
bein g easy to loot at and read) of makeing it possible to see a white
cursor :-(.  Most other X apps I use are black-on-white, although for
an Iris program I'm working on, everything is in various shades of gray.

-GAWollman
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\quotation{Yes, how can we turn off that lurid blue color in the dialog boxes, 
and

}\quotation{get back to the good old ATK-style dialog boxes?

}
You can hack the code.  Look in andrew/atk/frame/frame.c for the strings 
CFGCOLOR and CBGCOLOR.


We plan on re-writing the dialog boxes to use the new override windows 
provided by MIT.  Then the dialog boxes will be customizable.  Patch 11?


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From: mojo.eng.umd.edu!eng.umd.edu!cross@mimsy.umd.edu  (Chris P. Ross)
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	I recently compiled Andrew pl10 for my sparc's running SunOS 4.1.
And, to my delight, it seems to work.  I should say, the non X-window
parts seem to work just fine.  (This is a new thing.  This is the first
patch that would work on our sparcs so far, or at least that I've done.)
But, any program that tries to create an X window will give the following:

Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 17.0); please wait...
Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
help: failed to create new window; exiting.
Exit 1

  Does anyone know what would cause this?  We are using X authority here,
and I was running as myself, so it's not the simple problem of not being
able to write on the display.  I even tried xhost +'ing, but still the
same problem.  Does anyone have any idea why this would happen?

  Side note:  I compiled for our sun3's at the same time, with the same
source, and they work fine.

  Thanks...
   
                                    - Chris

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This sounds like a problem I've had...

*If* you compile with RESOLVER_ENV, and *if* your X display is forward-mapped
using YP (alias NIS) or /etc/hosts, then the X libraries may pick up
gethostbyname() from libresolv.a instead of the YP-using one in libc.so.

I see a few possible solutions to this:

  1.  Remove the module containing gethostbyname() from libresolv.  I think
this is called 'gethost' or 'getname' or something like that.
This is probably the optimal solution, if it works.

  2.  Don't use RESOLVER_ENV, and make sure to tell AMS that it is not allowed
to validate host names using gethostbyname (i.e., set the andrewSetup
variable AMS_ValidateDestHosts to no.

  3.  Use the IP address of the display instead of the name.  The X code
will notice this and act correctly.  [However, my displaycap code doesn't
work in that case.  Since I'm the only one who has ever even heard of it,
this should not be a problem for anyone else.]

-GAWollman

"X sources can seriously damage your sanity."
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Date: 28 Jun 91 18:07:39 GMT
From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>Yes, they are the same file, but having /lib prior to /usr/lib in
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH confuses the SunOS4.x run-time loader.  Don't aks me
>why.  Guy Harris once explained this to me but ... I've forgotten the
>reason.

The way the "-ldl" library works is *REALLY STRANGE*.

"/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" is, indeed, a placeholder to keep "ld" happy. 
The run-time loader checks, quite specifically, for a shared library
with the name "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" (yes, it really does a "strcmp" on
the name of the library and that string) and, if that's the library
being loaded, uses the symbols from the run-time loader itself as the
symbols for that library, rather than the symbols from that library.

The routines in that library just print out "stub interception failed"
complaints.

This also means that you must *not* use a "-L//usr/lib" line (as gets
generated for some Makefiles if you've said the X libraries are in
"/usr/lib") when linking "runapp", for example.

Yes, the above is the wrong way to handle "-ldl"; I don't know if SVR4
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Date: 29 Jun 91 06:30:23 GMT
From: mojo.eng.umd.edu!cross@mimsy.umd.edu  (Chris P. Ross)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Subject: Re: Strange problem, anyone help?
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In article <ccObw0W4lU4L0APVAA@sadye.uvm.edu> wollman@SADYE.UVM.EDU (Garrett Wollman) writes:
>This sounds like a problem I've had...
>
>*If* you compile with RESOLVER_ENV, and *if* your X display is forward-mapped
>using YP (alias NIS) or /etc/hosts, then the X libraries may pick up
>gethostbyname() from libresolv.a instead of the YP-using one in libc.so.

  Well, as much as this seems reasonable, I don't think it's the problem.  I
believe I *did* compile with RESOLVER_ENV set, but RESOLVLIB was set to nil,
so it didn't use libresolv.a...  It used the Nameservice stuff in our libc.

>I see a few possible solutions to this:
>
>  1.  Remove the module containing gethostbyname() from libresolv.  I think
>this is called 'gethost' or 'getname' or something like that.
>This is probably the optimal solution, if it works.

  libresolv.a not used...

>  2.  Don't use RESOLVER_ENV, and make sure to tell AMS that it is not allowed
>to validate host names using gethostbyname (i.e., set the andrewSetup
>variable AMS_ValidateDestHosts to no.

  If this is the problem, maybe I'll try this.  But, if this is the case, why
do the sun3 versions work? (we have the same installations on sun4's and
sun3's here.  Same libc...)

>  3.  Use the IP address of the display instead of the name.  The X code
>will notice this and act correctly.  [However, my displaycap code doesn't
>work in that case.  Since I'm the only one who has ever even heard of it,
>this should not be a problem for anyone else.]

  I'll try this first (as it is the easiest...  :-)

>-GAWollman

                                       - Chris P. Ross
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\quotation{ Well, as much as this seems reasonable, I don't think it's the 
problem.  I believe I *did* compile with RESOLVER_ENV set, but RESOLVLIB was 
set to nil, so it didn't use libresolv.a...  It used the Nameservice stuff in 
our libc.

}
If you define RESOLVER_ENV on SunOS4.x plaforms, and you set RESOLVLIB to nil, 
you still end up using the resolver.  It may not have been necessary to do 
this but, we create our own shared resolver library and install it in 
$\{BASEDIR\}/lib.  With dynamic loading, we can't have multiple copies of the 
resolver getting into a single process (runapp).  Using the shared library 
informs the run-time linker that the resolver is needed, and it is then up to 
ld.so to do things right.


If you look in andrew/atk/apps/Imakefile you'll see that we link against 
-lresolv to get the shared resolver for the SunOS4.x platform.  There are a 
few other places that link against the shared resolver, as well. 
 Unfortunately, we also link regular programs with the non-shared resolver.


I think that you want to #undef RESOLVER_ENV in site.h and rebuild for the 
Sun4.


If the Sun3 you referred to is not a SunOS4.x box, that explains why the 
current configuration works on that machine-- no native dynamic loader, or 
shared resolver, getting in the way.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Date: 29 Jun 91 17:46:31 GMT
From: fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net  (Stephen Williams)
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Subject: Trouble compiling/running on SunOS 4.1.1
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I've been having some trouble with Andrew patch level 10 on
SunOS 4.1.1.  The pertinent stuff:

	SunOS 4.1.1
	SPARCstation IPC
	X11R4 server (Xsun) on a color (cgtree) monitor

There are several problems.  First, with compiling:

	When compiling tabs.do, the doindex command fails with
	the message
doindex: indexing tabs.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero
	It is interesting that I can run doindex on all the
	individual .do files and I get no errors.

	I have the same trouble with the console tool:
/local/andrew/bin/doindex -d /local/andrew/dlib/atk  consolea.do
doindex: indexing consolea.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero


So I go without the console and I try some of the tools.  The
first problem I notice is that when I try to use a menu, the
cursor (the -> cursor) is wrong.  It is displayed as a white
box with a transparent arrow.  It seems that the X cursor mask
bits are reversed.

Last problem (for today):  typescript doesn't work.  It didn't
work before patch 10, but patch 10 at work (4.1 on a SPARCstation 1)
does work.  The symptoms are the same as before patch 10:  The
child process (usually /bin/csh) dies immediately (sometimes after
printing the prompt.


I am having none of these troubles on a SPARCstation with the X11R4
server (Xsun), a monochrome monitor, and SunOS 4.1.  I am frustrated.
It is teasing me!

--Steve Williams
steve@lia.com
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    fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Williams)
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fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net  (Stephen Williams) writes:
>         When compiling tabs.do, the doindex command fails with
>         the message
> doindex: indexing tabs.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero
>         It is interesting that I can run doindex on all the
>         individual .do files and I get no errors.

	I had exactly the same problem and spent about 12 hours
banging my head against a wall until I realized that the top level
Makefile hadn't been generated on a Sparc. Look at the top level
Makefile, and if the first three macros aren't

	SYSTEM_H_FILE = sun4_41/system.h
	SYS_IDENT = sun4_41
	SYS_OS_ARCH = sun_sparc_41

then you will need to recreate it - the bogus values were be enshrined
since the top level Makefile installs system.h.

	imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I./config -DTOPDIR=.

(and of course, check to make sure it thinks you have a sun4_41 again)
 
	You should have no problems after doing this. I didn't ...

    Dan Lovinger     Computing & Comunications      Carnegie Mellon U.
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Subject: Enter/Leave Events

Can I somehow find out about Enter/Leave events for a window?  I know X has
them, but I don't see ATK looking for them and hence I don't know how I can
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Subject: Selective *.formatcommand and *.printcommand


Is it possible to have different .formatcommand and .printcommand
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We have different printers and I would like to have .formatcommand
slightly different if one specific printer is chosen.

Thanks
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Jun-91 Selective *.formatcommand a.. 
Chandra Venkatraman@iag. (272)}


\quotation{Is it possible to have different .formatcommand and .printcommand

}\quotation{depending on the printer chosen from the 'set printer' menu 
option?

}\quotation{We have different printers and I would like to have .formatcommand

}\quotation{slightly different if one specific printer is chosen.

}

You can have preferences that are dependant on environment variables.  Try % 
\bold{help preferences}.


\section{Environment-specific preferences}


\leftindent{If you need to have preferences that are only active when a 
certain environment variable is set, you can use the following preference 
forms:


\bold{?E=\italic{environmentvariable=value:preference}

?E!\italic{environmentvariable=value:preference}

}
Meaningful colons within these specifications can be quoted with the backslash 
character ("\\").  For example, the following line would cause typescripts you 
start while the "DISPLAY" environment variable is "pgh:0" to be 600x600 
pixels.


?E=DISPLAY=pgh\\:0:typescript.geometry:600x600

}
You could have some preference lines like this:


?E=PRINTER=plum:*.formatcommander: <foo bar>


... where formatcommand would be <foo bar> when the environment variable 
PRINTER is set to "plum."  Will this do the trick?


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Subject: AMS and "rn"

Hello.  I'm trying to set up AMS here at my company, and I have a
question about it.  Right now, we are using the command "rn" to read our
usenet messages.  "Rn" requires that messages be in a directory tree
rooted at /usr/spool/news/....  In this system, the bulletin board
"comp.soft-sys.andrew" gets mapped to the directory
/usr/spool/news/comp/soft-sys/andrew.  My question is:  Is there any way
for AMS to run in the "rn" directory structure (possibly creating some
AMS-specific index files or whatever), without replicating messages?

Thanks for any info,
-lipp
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Most of the support for doing this is in the code, but it currently
works inefficiently.  I hope to go back and try to fix this up in the
fall, but for now, the answer from most people who've tried it seems to
be that it works, but wastes too many cycles to be practical.  With
luck, that will change this fall.  -- Nathaniel
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Subject: Using Existing Help Window

I've felt for a long time now that the behavior of the help program in
using a pre-existing help window is a mistake, but I've realized that
there is at least some room for argument.  Now I've got a situation
where it is just flat out horrible, with no room for argument, and I'd
like to plead for a change.

We have a big timesharing system here that an increasing number of
people are using via X terminals, many to run Andrew.   Guess what? 
Using "help" in the obvious way, only one of them gets a help window. 
The rest of them are told that their help request is being sent to an
existing window, leaving them to roam the hallways in search of their
help.  This is NOT considered a friendly thing for the help program to
do!

At the very least, this feature should be either sensitive to the
DISPLAY variable (one help window per DISPLAY) or configurable so that
you can turn it off via the AndrewSetup file.  Right now, I have to tell
everyone to use "help -new" which seems like a really ugly thing to do...

Could this be fixed in a future patch?  Thanks.  -- Nathaniel
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There seems to be a bug in AMS/ATK that causes a reproducible core dump in 
Messages.   After looking at the code a bit, I'm pretty sure it is really an 
ATK bug.   I'll describe the bug here.


To reproduce the bug:


\leftindent{1.   Run messages.  From within messages, open a mail sending 
window and start composing mail.


2.   Go back into the message-reading window and choose "Send/Post Message". 
 You'll find yourself back in the sending window with a dialog box that asks 
if you want to erase the message you were composing.


3.  Choose "NO."  Now look very carefully:  Your input focus is gone!   That's 
right, there is now \bold{\italic{no view with the input focus}}.  Very 
interesting, huh?


4.  Now just start typing.  Given that there's no input focus (though the 
\italic{user} can't be expected to notice this), your input doesn't show up 
where you might expect it.  On sun3 and sun4 platforms, at least, you get a 
core dump.

}
Now, I can imagine fixing this in AMS, but I think that's the wrong place.  It 
seems to me that the dialog box should always make sure to restore the input 
focus to where it was before it started.  It also seems to me that the toolkit 
should not dump core when you start typing without there being any input 
focus!   But at any rate, it should be fixed somewhere....


Have a nice day!  -- Nathaniel

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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 91 11:35:04 -0700
From: Damon Lipparelli (Sierra Geophysics, Inc.) <sgihbtn!lipp%snomas.@uunet.UU.NET>

Hello.  Thanks for the replies concerning my message.  However, upon
further reflection, I think I need to send more information about our
configuration.

The things are set up now, we don't have an internet connection.  We dial
up to uunet.uu.net for our outside mail, and dial up to a machine called
"ole" to get our external bboard messages.  The mail from uunet (as well as
all internal mail) gets appended to a file on the user's home machine
called "/usr/spool/mail/<user_id>".  The bboard messages get parcelled out
to the directory structure described in my first post on the machine
connected to the modem.

Given all of the above, I guess my first question should have been:  Is it
possible to use the AMS under this configuration?  If not, what do we need
to change?

Thanks for any info,
-lipp
(sgihbtn!lipp@uunet.uu.net)
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I've been poking around in \typewriter{frame.c} trying to get \bold{List
Buffers} to allow you to click on a buffer name and switch to that buffer.  I
noticed that there is already code there to do something similar in
\typewriter{helptxtv.c}, the problem is it doesn't get invoked.  I noticed
that in \typewriter{frame__GetHelpBuffer}, the line


                \typewriter{buffer = buffer_Create(bufferName, NULL, "text",
NULL);}


creates a \italic{text} object that is used to store buffer names, filenames,
etc. in.  I was trying to find out which view was getting hooked to this.  It
defaults to \italic{textview}.  Down a little in
\typewriter{frame__SetHelpBuffer}, there is the line:


\description{\typewriter{\leftindent{self->DialogBufferView =
buffer_GetView(buf, &inputFocus, &targetView,"helptextview");

}}}
Seems like this would set the view to \italic{helptextview}, but it never
reaches this statement.


I created a dummy subclass of \italic{text} called \italic{helptext}, replaced
"text" with "helptext" in the \typewriter{buffer_Create} line, and
\underline{\bigger{poof!}}  I could now select items out of the help buffer.
 This works nice for completing filenames and buffer names for
\bold{Visit/Switch File} and \bold{Visit Buffer}.  Just type a ? at the
message prompt, click on one of the names listed and hit return.  I like this.
 Any chance for this to be the default behavior?


-- Dave


P.S.  List Buffers would have to be fixed since it will also place the
selected name on the message line (which is useless).  I don't know what else
this change would affect.

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I can't reproduce Nathaniel's bug in ATK 14.6 on a pmax (DECstation 2100), 
which is at patch level 7 or 8, I think.


		Craig

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Most people use AMS under conditions like what you describe.  Whether they 
have an Internet connection or not is essentially immaterial.


AMS as it comes out of the box should be configured about right for your 
configuration, as far as exchanging mail goes.  You may wish to look through 
the help file on AndrewSetup (under $\{ANDREWDIR\}/help/setup.help, if your 
``help'' program is disfunctional) to check on the various configuration 
options; certainly before deploying AMS widely, you'd want to check that.


What Nathaniel's message discussed was simply the mechanism by which AMS 
interfaces deal with netnews messages as stored in their native format, under 
/usr/spool/news/... .  His reply pertains to that option only; the rest of AMS 
works fine under the circumstances you describe.  That is, there are options 
in AMS to read native trees of messages under netnews, but they are expensive 
options.  The alternative is to make an AMS-format copy of all the netnews 
articles, which works fine, but costs a lot of disk space.


Does that clarify a little?


		Craig

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Very interesting.   I should have mentioned that I'm at patch level 7,
and the bug exists on sun3 and sun4 platforms.  Craig, although you
don't get the core dump, do you get the vanishing input focus?  I.e.,
after you choose "No", if you start typing does it show up anywhere?
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I'm at PL9 on a Sparcstation-2 and I do have the core dump bug.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 4-Jun-91 Using Existing Help Window 
Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1079)}


\quotation{I've felt for a long time now that the behavior of the help program 
in

}\quotation{using a pre-existing help window is a mistake, but I've realized 
that

}\quotation{there is at least some room for argument.  Now I've got a 
situation

}\quotation{where it is just flat out horrible, with no room for argument, and 
I'd

}\quotation{like to plead for a change.

}
We're in concert.  No other "large" ATK application that I know of is this 
parental.  It's inconsistent.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 4-Jun-91 Using Existing Help Window 
Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1079)}


\quotation{At the very least, this feature should be either sensitive to the

}\quotation{DISPLAY variable (one help window per DISPLAY) or configurable so 
that

}\quotation{you can turn it off via the AndrewSetup file.  Right now, I have 
to tell

}\quotation{everyone to use "help -new" which seems like a really ugly thing 
to do...}


I agree with this mission and will try to get it done.

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From: milton!vampyre@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Eric Michael Howard)
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Subject: Building andrew on a sparc 1+
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Hi, 

I'm attempting to compile/install andrew on a sparc 1+, OS 4.1.1, with both X
windows and Openwindows running. (X11R4, Openwindows 2.0) So for I haven't 
had any luck. The first run ended in atkams with a segmentation violation
and then a core dump. I've since tried rebuilding and everytime I do so, it
reaches a certain point and just hangs without giving any sort of error
message. The last time I ran it, it stopped after:

cc -c -I. -I/home/andrew/include/ams -O -I/home/andrew/include/atk
-I ...stuff deleted... text822.c
/home/andrew/include/site.h: 3: DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV redefined
/home/andrew/bin/makedo -d /home/andrew/lib -b /home/andrew/bin -o text822.do\
text822.o

Where I had done a make Clean and then a make World to get to this stage.

The things that were set up different from the default are:

DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR/ENV = /home/andrew
AFSBASEDIR = /home/andy (but I don't believe this gets used)
IMAKE =(X-tree)/config/imake
XMAKEDEPEND = (X-Tree)/util/makedepend/makedepend
RESOLVELIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a (is this right? the file does exist, but 
 				   I wasn't sure.)

And I think that was it. Has anyone seen this problem and/or have a fix for it?
Also, is there some sort of 'frequently asked questions list' that I should 
be looking in? If there is , could someone post me a copy? I only found this 
list yesterday.

Thanks,
eric

vampyre@milton.u.washington.edu
ehwd@uorpas.bitnet
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\quotation{RESOLVELIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a (is this right? the file does 
exist, but 

}\quotation{ 				   I wasn't sure.)

}
Actually, that's RESOLVLIB (sans the 'E').


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 6-Jun-91 Building andrew on a sparc 1+ 
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\quotation{And I think that was it. Has anyone seen this problem and/or have a 
fix for it?

}
Yes, we've seen this.  Please wait for the next release, which will be very 
soon.  This release will clear up alot of problems on SunOS4.1 platforms.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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\quotation{I created a dummy subclass of \italic{text} called 
\italic{helptext}, replaced "text" with "helptext" in the 
\typewriter{buffer_Create} line, and \underline{\bigger{poof!}}  I could now 
select items out of the help buffer.  This works nice for completing filenames 
and buffer names for \bold{Visit/Switch File} and \bold{Visit Buffer}.  Just 
type a ? at the message prompt, click on one of the names listed and hit 
return.  I like this.  Any chance for this to be the default behavior?

}
Sounds like it might be nice.  We'd have to try it out of course, and no time 
before patch 10.  There is always a chance that a user suggestion may become 
the default behavior.  It's even more likely that the current flavor will 
remain but that the additional functionality may be accessable through a 
preference option.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I would like to know whether Andrew has been ported to SCO
UNIX. Also, has there been a major release since Release 3 ?

                                         Michael Kedem
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Subject: Some questions (Menus, file conversions)

1) Can hierarchical pulldown menus be implemented easily? Has someone already
done it?

2) Image format: is there a converter anywhere for MAC Pict format to the 
format the raster class expects? (And vice-versa.)

3) Is it possible to dynamically change the name of a menulist entry? 
It doesn't appear to be recommended, but I imagine that menulist_AddToML and 
menulist_DeleteFromML could be used to simulate it.  Has anyone done anything
similar?

Grazie Mille (a thousand thanks) for any help/advice/pointers, etc.
(If you respond, please see the email special request below.) 

Thanks!

Andy Takats
sysmgr@romaint.uucp  -or- andy@romaint.uucp (ALSO, PLEASE send a copy 
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\quotation{2) Image format: is there a converter anywhere for MAC Pict format 
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}\quotation{format the raster class expects? (And vice-versa.)

}
ATK rasters now are one of the formats understood by pbm, thanks to Bill 
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We've added a global preference to have help search a couple of
directories of some local documentation.  One of these files is called
``windows.ez''.  Selecting the ``Show help on...'' and typing
``windows'' works just fine and the correct document is displayed. 
However, instead of ``windows'' being inserted into the history panel,
``window'' is inserted.  When I click on ``window'', I get the following
message:
``Unexpected failure to get help on 'window'.''
This is not a fatal problem, just annoying.  Any ideas as to what's
going on here?

			-Steve.

In case it's relevant:
hardware SPARC2/OS4.1.1
software Andrew PL7 compiled on SunOS4.0.3
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Subject: Dyniamic LInking

If I link in some X code to the .do file in a class I've created, when it 
gets loaded in to a process, will there now be duplicated X code (since xws.do
I believe already has all the X code), or can the loader somehow 
recognize identical entry points (seems too difficult to me)?  Are there
any dangerous side effects of this?  

Thanks!

Andy Takats
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I don't think this should cause any problems as long as you don't try to do 
anything with ATK's internal X specific data (the windows and gc's it keeps). 
 If you tried to do this you could run into problems with two queues getting 
data destined for the same X connection...


-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group, ITC

Disclaimer: I haven't actually tested this.


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Subject: Files that also need include of afs/param.h
Cc: 

In the process of my DECMIPS build I have found the following additional
files that need #include <afs/param/h> as the first line after
#ifdef AFS_ENV

atk/console/lib/mailmonf.c
venmonf.c
venusmon.c

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autherr.c
authuid.c
bldcapt.c
direx.c
epoch.c
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mungenew.c
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rawdb.c
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From: Jim Donahue <donahue@gregorio.stanford.edu>


Last week I tried installing the Andrew distribution from the X11R4
tapes.  With only a little work, I was able to get ez, chart, bush, ...
running.  However, I have two problems that have me stumped:

1. I made and tried to run the amsdemo.  It puts up a nice window
announcing the Andrew Message System, displays a message that says
something like "Initializing Andrew Message System...", waits about 30
seconds and then dies (the window disappears).  I have set what I
thought were an appropriate set of defaults in both AndrewSetup and
preferences, but I get more or less the same behavior whatever I try.
(I am not running AFS and have set the default to not use white pages.)
Any simple things I can try to find out what's going on?

2.  I can get a typescript window into which I can type.  However, when
I hit return after typing a command, nothing exciting happens.  Indeed,
the window behaves a lot like an emacs window -- when I type "^X-^C"
the window vanishes.

Another general question.  I built the examples and they all seemed to
build without difficulty.  Now, what can I do with them?  The
documentation in the README files doesn't say much, and I haven't found
anything in the help documentation that gives me any pointers.

Thanks,

Jim Donahue

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Subject: date in ez?

I know there must be a way to do this with embedded troff in ez, but I
don't know enough troff (or how to embed it in ez)....

What magic should I put in an ez document to get it to print the current
date when I send the file to a printer?

			-Steve.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Jun-91 I know it must be something.. 
Jim.Donahue@gregorio.sta (1297)}


\quotation{Last week I tried installing the Andrew distribution from the X11R4

}\quotation{tapes. 

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I need some additional infomation:


\leftindent{- platform?

- any of the 9 available patches applied?

- could you place your site files somewhere in the Stanford AFS cell?}


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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\italic{\indent{1.  Get a copy of the ATK modifications to GNU.  ATK 
developers modifed the GNU debugger to deal with dynamically-loaded code.  You 
can obtain the modifications by sending mail to info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu.

}}
I was wondering if I could get copy of this wonderful tool.  Thanks.


					Scott

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I don't use tm, so it surprises me that I am contributing to this discussion.

However, it wasn't compiling on my Ultrix4 DECMIPS host, so I asked John Carr, 
one of our bit-diddlers to tell me what to fix.


He supplied the following two patches (which affect the version of 
contrib/tm/tm.c which incorporates the patch from Guy Harris for Patch 10):


The first patch is a cleaner use of ioctl which is parameterized by system 
type.


The second notices that on an hpux system, pgrp is never set.


I am sending this patch to this forum so that other people who actually use 
tm, can confirm that this patch works.  It does solve my problem:  tm.c now 
compiles for me.  Does it cause other people problems?


-wdc


----8<----cut here ----8<----

\literal{*** tm.c	Tue Jun 18 13:35:53 1991

--- tm.c~	Tue Jun 18 13:26:23 1991

***************

*** 958,992 ****

      ERROR(buf);

  \}

  

- /* Does ioctl take a pointer arg? */

- #if defined(hpux) || _IBMR2 || SY_B43 || SY_AIX12 || SY_AIX11 || POSIX_ENV

  static int ON=1;

! static int OFF=0;

! 

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

!   (self->remote || \\

!    ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE,&ON) != -1 && self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! #define	LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

!   (!self->remote || \\

!    (ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE, &OFF) != -1 && self->remote--))

  #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! 

! #else /* integer arg3 to ioctl */

! 

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

  (self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE,1) != -1 || self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! #define	LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

!   (!self->remote || \\

!    (ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCREMOTE, 0) != -1 && self->remote--))

! #endif /* INCORRECT SIGNALS */

  

! #endif /* ioctl arg type */

! 

  int termulator__StartProcess(self,args)

  struct termulator *self;

  char **args;

--- 958,1004 ----

      ERROR(buf);

  \}

  

  static int ON=1;

! #if defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2)

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

! (self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&ON)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff),ON)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Into TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! static int OFF=0;

! #define LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

! (!self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&OFF)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO('t',TIOCREMOTE&0xff),OFF)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Out of TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote--,TRUE)))

  #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! #else /* !defined(hpux) && !defined(_IBMR2) */

! #if !defined(M_UNIX)

  #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

  (self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&ON)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff),ON)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Into TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote++)))

  

  #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! static int OFF=0;

! #define LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self) \\

! (!self->remote || \\

!  ((ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IOW(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff,int),&OFF)!=-1 || \\

!    ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),_IO(t,TIOCREMOTE&0xff),OFF)!=-1) && \\

!   (/*fprintf(stderr,"Out of TIOCREMOTE mode.\\n"),*/self->remote--,TRUE)))

! #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! #else /*  defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2)*/

! #define ENTER_TIOCREMOTE(self)

  

! #ifndef INCORRECTSIGNALS

! static int OFF=0;

! #define LEAVE_TIOCREMOTE(self)

! #endif /* INCORRECTSIGNALS */

! #endif /*M_UNIX */

! #endif /* defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2) */

  int termulator__StartProcess(self,args)

  struct termulator *self;

  char **args;

***************

*** 1530,1541 ****

  #endif /* TIOCSIG */

  #endif /* TIOCSIGNAL */

  #else /* POSIX_ENV */

! #ifndef hpux

      if(ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCGPGRP,&pgrp)<0)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(ioctl)");

      else if(killpg(pgrp,signo)==-1)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(kill)");

- #endif /* hpux */

  #endif /* POSIX_ENV */

  \}

  

--- 1542,1555 ----

  #endif /* TIOCSIG */

  #endif /* TIOCSIGNAL */

  #else /* POSIX_ENV */

! #ifdef hpux

!     if (0) \{\}

! #else /* hpux */

      if(ioctl(fileno(self->ptyFile),TIOCGPGRP,&pgrp)<0)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(ioctl)");

+ #endif /* hpux */

      else if(killpg(pgrp,signo)==-1)

  	SYSERROR("Signal(kill)");

  #endif /* POSIX_ENV */

  \}

  

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I'm sort of surprised to hear that someone doesn't use `tm'.  It's a
version of typescript that actually works with rlogin and/or
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I work at MIT, where there is no windowsystem but X and Xterm is her profit.


-wdc

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Hello,

	I have been trying to create pop-up windows using the
	Andrew Toolkit but I cannot seem to tell the Window
	Manager that the new IM is a transient window.  And how
	can you find out the screen size in order to position the
	window in the center of the screen.

	I know this is probably going against the Andrew "philosophy"
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				Thanks,

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Two quickies:

1. A team here needs to create documents of around 300-500 sides of A4. Is ez 
a suitable editor for this, and if so, do separate parts of the document have 
to be included with in-line troff commands, or is there a tidy ``andrew'' way 
to do this?


2. Is this the right mailing list for this sort of query, or should it go 
somewhere else? Most items on this list seem to be of the \italic{how do I 
build} variety rather than the \italic{how do I do} kind.


===========


Any direct replies should be sent to druid@tsrl.GEC-Avionics.co.uk

It is possible that my headers may still be in UK format, but I'm working on 
it...

If you reply, could you mention whether my \bold{From} address was right?


	Mark.

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Ez can probably swallow large documents, but like most systems, tends to get 
bogged down on them.


My recommendation is that the documents be done in smaller chunks (as you 
would with other document preparation environments.)


Then produce a root file, and use datacat -i to produce the final large 
document from the parts.


Quoting from the datacat help page:


\leftindent{When given the \bold{-i} flag, datacat will search through the 
files it is passed for lines of the form


@include(filename)


}\leftindent{Datacat \bold{-i} will interpret all of the instances of this and 
include the named files in its output.


The \bold{-I} flag does the same as the \bold{-i} flag, except that it will 
also look for @include lines in the included files themselves.

}
So you would have a root file that consisted of entries like this:


@include(chap1.ez)

@include(chap2.ez)



I  hope this helps,

-wdc

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Subject: Andrew to text format -- help?
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(This is sort of halfway between an Andrew and an nroff question, but I
think it is of interest to Andrew users in general.)

I've recently had need to convert an Andrew-format document to a plain
text file for people to read all over the Internet, and the results are
still slightly glitchy.  I've figured out 2/3 of what I did wrong, but
would like advice on the last point.

First of all, I chose not to use the "ezview" program to simply strip
out all formatting, the way the mail system does, because I wanted to
end up with pagination, numbered page headings, table of contents, etc. 
So instead, I did the following:

ezprint -c -t $1 | nroff -Tlpr

The addition of the "-Tlpr" took care of most of my problems in the
first pass, such as embedded escape characters and weird page lengths. 
However, I am left with one undesirable oddity:  several things are
underlined with the ^H_ convention, which is not what I would consider
plain text.  Does anyone know how to tell nroff not to do this?  Thanks
in advance.  -- Nathaniel
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Thanks to all who responded.  I'm currently using the following command
which seems to do the trick:

ezprint -c -t my-file-name | nroff  -Tlpr | sed -e 1,\$s/_//g

Not entirely beautiful, but it the results look very nice!
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If you are indexing from a file (may occur in otther cases, I have not 
checked), and one index term is a sub-expression of another, your index will 
be (in my opinion) wrong.  The nature of the error depends on the order the 
index terms in the file.


Examples:


\bold{1}


Index file:


mvar

create-mvar


index:  create-mvar never appears!



\bold{2}


Index file:


create-mvar

mvar


index:  mvar appears, and create- appears.  create-mvar does not!



\bold{3}


Index file:


create-mvar

mvar       \italic{<- with a space after it.  All occurances have a space 
after.

}
index:  looks ok.



ralph hill

Bellcore


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Oop.  Lets try that again.  I miss-read my output.....




If you are indexing from a file (may occur in other cases, I have not 
checked), and one index term is a sub-expression of another, your index may be 
(in my opinion) wrong.  The error depends on the order the index terms in the 
file.


Examples:


\bold{1}


Index file:


mvar

create-mvar


index:  create-mvar never appears!



\bold{2}


Index file:


create-mvar

mvar


index:  looks ok.




I.e., users should sort their index files, longest words first.



   ralph hill

   Bellcore


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Here at Project Northstar, our courseware software (Northware) has enough of a 
distribution that we are getting mail messages from different places on 
different subjects that need to be sorted out and sent to the appropriate 
person.  One easy aspect is that all the mail funnels through our 'source' 
user id.  We are presently using the 'filter' program that comes with the 
'Elm' mailer to redirect the mail messages to the appropriate person.  The 
problem is that 'filter' can only forward, not resend.  (Resending allows us 
to Reply to the mail rather than compose a new mail message.)


I know that Flames exists, but I'm not sure that it is what I'm looking for. 
 Although some of the staff reads their mail with 'messages', not all the 
staff does, so a bulletin board system would fall short there.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.


   - \underline{Anthony}

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I'm sure you could use Flames to do what you want.  Certainly you can ask it 
to re-send messages based on their contents, among other things.  Clearly, the 
ultimate recipients don't have to use an AMS reader.


(Certainly lots of service-request mailboxes are processed first with Flames. 
 Advisor@andrew.cmu.edu, andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu, afshelp@transarc.com, 
for example.)


Another possibility (perhaps more distant) is to make an AMS bboard suite for 
Northware (maybe just for some parts of it), and non-Messages users could run 
VUI or BatMail or CUI to respond to questions.


It's up to you, I'd say.


		Craig

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Yes, we have something similar set up here; FLAMES has a built-in
"resendmessage" primitive that you can use to send it to (a list of)
people who won't read it on a bboard.  We use such a mixed system here,
with Andrew users reading the bboard version and non-Andrew users
receiving the messages as mail.
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The ongoing saga of indexing.....


Index file:

mvar-p
mvar

index:  has -p and mvar.   Not good!

Anyone have any ideas?  My guess is that the indexing facility assumes
that ``-'' is a word break, and there would nver be a multi-word index
entry.

    ralph
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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>    1.  Get a copy of the ATK modifications to GNU.  ATK developers
>    modifed the GNU debugger to deal with dynamically-loaded code. 
>    You can obtain the modifications by sending mail to
>    info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu.
>
>I was wondering if I could get copy of this wonderful tool.  Thanks.

GDB 3.5 comes standard with a separate set of modifications to deal with
dynamically-loaded code; I think it can cope with stuff loaded with
ATK's private dynamic loader. 

I have some patches to GDB 3.5 that can cope with SunOS 4.x's dynamic
loader; it handles both shared libraries and stuff loaded at run-time
with "dlopen()" under 4.1[.x] (although, as with the GDB support for
private dynamic loaders, you have to tell GDB to suck in the symbol
tables for stuff loaded at run-time; for stuff loaded with "dlopen()",
though, you don't have to tell it *what* to load, nor tell it where it
was loaded - it grovels through the run-time loader's data structures to
find that out). 

GDB is presumably available from any reasonable archive of GNU stuff, by
anonymous FTP or UUCP or whatever; I think you can also get it on a tape
from the FSF.
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Date: 20 Jun 91 22:48:24 GMT
From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>RESOLVELIB is kind of broken on SunOS 4.1 and 4.1.1.
>It seems to have a funny format which upsets dynamic loading.

Actually, it may depend on whose dynamic loading you're talking about. 
:-)

The 4.1 "libresolv.a" appears to be filled with position-independent
".o" files; while that may mean they contain relocation directives that
ATK's private dynamic linker can't cope with, it means that the dynamic
linker built into SunOS 4.x may actually like them *better*, because
they don't require relocation. 

I.e., the intent was that the "libresolv.a" stuff could be put into a
modified "libc.so.X.Y" that, instead of using NIS to look up host names,
used the resolver, so that dynamically-linked programs would magically
start using the resolver.  You *could* link with "-lresolv" - as I
assume is done, in effect, with ATK programs - but I don't think that
was the primary way Sun expected it to be used.

When patch 10 comes out, this problem may go away, as ATK's private
dynamic loader isn't used for ".do" files in patch 10 under 4.1[.x];
instead, "doload()" is built atop the routines in "-ldl" (present in
SunOS 4.1[.x], SVR4, and perhaps in 4.4BSD). 
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\begindata{text,2819296}
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\template{messages}
If I send a message from \bold{messages}, then mark a couple of messages, then 
choose "Excerpt All" from the "Send/File Marked" menu, the marked messages are 
excerpted into the sending window, but the previously sent message is not 
cleared first.  Very inconvenient.


Bill

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Does anyone have the ATK font collection converted for use with MacX,
that I could copy somehow?

Bill
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\begindata{text,270479796}
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.cmu.info-andrew: 20-Jun-91 Re: Andrew to
text format -.. Nathaniel Borenstein@RCH (225)}


\quotation{Thanks to all who responded.  I'm currently using the following
command

}\quotation{which seems to do the trick:

}
\quotation{ezprint -c -t my-file-name | nroff  -Tlpr | sed -e 1,\\$s/_//g

}
\quotation{Not entirely beautiful, but it the results look very nice!

}
Did you try cleaning it up with col?


\example{ezprint -c -t my-file-name | nroff | col -b

}

-todd inglett

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Actually, one can argue over whether or not this is a bug, but if it is,
there's a similar bug in the "Excerpt body" command in the sending
window.  It, too, does not clear out a message that has already been
sent.  I'm not 100% sure it should, however -- sometimes one sends a
message, and then decides to add more and send it again.  At any rate, I
think these two functions should continue to behave similarly...
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I have come to rely heavily on the fact that excerpt body does not clear
out the previous message.

How else could I excerpt from two messages to the message I am
composing, or to insert the excerpt in the middle of the message?

-wdc
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Well, I was assuming that the behavior, if modified, would only be
modified in the case where the message had already been sent.  In other
words, if the message is just sitting around after a successful
delivery, and then you do an excerpt (or excerpt all), perhaps it would
make sense to clear it out first.  I agree that if it hasn't been
delivered yet, this would be a very dumb thing to do; I'm also not sure
if the differential behavior would be more trouble & confusion than it
is worth....
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There are 2 different issues here: one is an interesting difference in
use habits.  I always begin with the excerpts and annotate them so I'd
prefer the annotation to appear in a new message.  In fact, when I have
a new message open, Messages does the right thing.  However, the problem
is that when there is no new message window open (either starting fresh
or composing), Messages sticks up the last message that was mailed (i.e.
something already sent off to someone else in some other place) -- this
is, as Bill noted, less than convenient.
	--Susan
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It sounds to me like you (Susan) would be happy (as I am) if you turned
on the "clear after sending" option.  This yields exactly the behavior
you want, I think...
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\center{It's a baby ... no, it's a house ... no, it's

\bigger{\bigger{
\bigger{\bigger{Patch 10!

}}}}}

At long last we have completed work on patch 10 of ATK. <\italic{Insert audio 
inset of Hallelujah chorus here}.> As those of you who know me personally are 
aware, my wife and I are expecting a baby this next week, and we're closing on 
a house this next week too, so it's been a race to see which of these new, 
exciting things would be delivered first. I'm delighted to announce that Patch 
10 has won the race!** Integrating all the new features and bug fixes (and 
bugs) you've sent us (plus adding our own) has been a monumental task, for 
which we should all thank Susan Straub and Gary Keim.


You can pick up a copy of the entire tree from the file andrew.010.tar.Z via 
anonymous ftp from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62) in the top level 
directory; the patch is split in the ./patches directory as patch.010aa, 
patch.010ab, patch.010ac and patch.010ad. You should apply them individually, 
starting with aa through ad.  


Many thanks to all of the contributors who are making this possible. 
Especially to Andy Palay, who had his fun fixing a lot of the little details 
of text before moving on to his new position at SGI. Thanks also to Bill 
Cattey of Project Athena at MIT, Curt Galloway of SCO, Jean Gascon of HP, Guy 
Harris, Charles Hayden of Bell Labs, and all the others whose contributions 
are of great importance to the continued success of ATK.


Here's an overview of what's new in patch 10:


Contributed code:


\description{\leftindent{Contributed code from MIT, including transient window 
support and header & footer object

Contributed (untested) code from SCO w/ port to SCO Unix

Port to HP RISC machine (HP-UX 7.0), contributed by BellSouth and HP

}\description{Improved SunOS4.x support, including contributed code to use 
SunOS4.x native dynamic loading

Contributed code from Bell Labs including vi-style editing

}
}New ITC work:


\description{\leftindent{Motif style menu emulation, with optional pop-up 
menus

Motif style scroll bar option

Motif style dialog box option

Motif style buttons

}}
Changes to existing components:


\leftindent{\description{Improved Animation object that doesn't block while 
animating

Improved Adew application builder w/ ability to create true insets (some of 
the new Adew features are not yet documented; contact Tom Neuendorffer 
(tpn+@andrew.cmu.edu) for more information)

Improved text scrolling code that allows partial scrolling of insets

Improved typescript completion code

Improved tabs support (from MIT with some modification)

Better support for handling ~ in file names (esp. w/ AFS)

Improved RS6000 support, including working typescript

Color text support, including support for setting color styles in lookz

Improved style editor, including ability to bring up lookz in a separate 
window

}Interline/Interparagraph spacing in text (and lookz)

Improved style model, including ability to control styles with keystrokes

Improved hyperlink, including 2 new button styles

Raw mode reading of files and templates

^U handling now in interaction manager

AFS 3.1 support

Support for running under Sun OpenWindows

*Lots* of small improvements

}
\bold{Important note}: The change to tabs requires a change to ctext 
templates. The default ctext template has been changed accordingly; if you 
have your own, add the line


	attr:[Flags TabsCharacters Int Set]


as an attribute of the global style.



And now a special round of applause to Tom Neuendorffer, who has put a lot of 
effort into ATK over the years, and into patch 10 as well. I'll turn the floor 
over to Tom for a minute to let him tell you about a recent change in the ATK 
group:

____________________________________________________________


\leftindent{\heading{A Change at the Helm.}


As many of you know, I have been managing a small but very productive ATK 
group at the ITC since January 1990. In that time we have been putting out ATK 
patches on a semi-regular basis containing bug fixes and many backward 
compatible enhancements. I believe we have been fairly successful in our 
support of ATK.  One of our users commented to me that we have been more 
responsive to bugs and complaints than the commercial vendors he has been 
dealing with. 


Recently the ITC has begun work on a new project called TACTUS, whose goal is 
to see what support at the toolkit level can be provided to programmers 
interested in creating real- time objects, such as music, video, and 
animation. The project is being headed by Roger Dannenberg, and several 
researchers, including myself, have joined in this effort. In order to devote 
more time to this new work, I am turning over my position as manager of the 
ATK group to David Anderson, who has been working on toolkit architectural 
issues with Andy Palay for several years and has expressed to me his interest 
in taking over the helm. I wish him him good fortune in his new endeavor, and 
I expect to see him lead the group to new successes.  


For my own part, I plan to remain active in the ATK community. Meanwhile, I 
would like to take this opportunity to publicly thank those who have worked 
with me on ATK. Thanks to Gary Keim for his ability to track down and fix 
bugs, and his deep dedication to the users of ATK. Thanks to Susan Straub and 
her superb work as point-person for the group. Thanks to our part-timers: Rob 
Ryan and Stephan Greene for their work. Thanks to David Anderson, Bob 
Glickstein, Fred Hansen, John Howard, Dave Mattis, Mike McInerny, Andy Palay, 
Adam Stoller,  and the other ITCers outside of the ATK group who have made 
their  contributions to ATK over the last 15 months. Thanks to ex-ITCers Craig 
Everhart and Nathanial Borenstein for their continued work on AMS.Thanks also 
to those others offsite who have 'aided and abbetted' this work, including 
Bill Janssen, Dick Orgass, Andy Arhelger, Bob Oesterlin, the patch 10 
contributers listed above, and all those who contribute to this newsgroup. 
Thanks to your work ATK is a viable working system at many sites around the 
world.} 


	Tom Neuendorffer


____________________________________________________________


Your bug reports are welcome; send them to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu and 
we will periodically post a status report to info-andrew.


--David Anderson, ATK manager


Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

+1 412-268-5791 // 412-268-6787 (fax)


**: A note from Gary & Susan:


As we've been waiting for the OK on this released for some time, David 
Anderson has both had a bouncing baby daughter and closed on his house.  Thus, 
this patch takes its proper priority in being last.  Congratulations to David 
and Lynn!

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No, my wife and I are not having a baby.  In fact, I'm not even married.  I 
don't think I'm pregnant, either.  


Sorry for the confusion ... David's off with his new deliveries and asked that 
we send the notice out as soon as we received approval.  


It must be Friday.  Sigh. 


Susan 

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Yes, I wouldn't want it to clear out an unsent message.  The case is
that a message has been sent, and the sending window has been unmapped;
now the user (in the work pattern we are seeing) start to compose a new
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the old, dirty sending window, but does not clear it before excerpting
the two messages into it.

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The fixes for this and some other index bugs are included in patch 10.


	Regards,

		Tom Neuendorffer

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From: Susan Straub <susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: info-andrew
Subject: READMEs

For some unknown reason, the compressed tar file of the entire tree,
andrew.010.tar.Z, didn't have the top level README and README.ez files
(although it had the other top level files ... you tell me?)

Anyway, I recreated the file and tar'd it back off and the READMEs now
exist. The new files is:

-rw-        1 susan                12475077 Jun 21 21:11 andrew.010.tar.Z

If you happened to pick up the file prior to 21:11, you can just get the
READMEs from the andrew directory under the top-level ftp directory.
 
We're looking forward to getting your feedback on patch 10.
 
Susan Straub
Andrew Toolkit Group
<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>

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From: munnari.oz.au!mtiame!marvin!tony@uunet.uu.net  (Tony Sanderson)
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in article <YcM=Pny0M2Yt4JqbQ7@thumper.bellcore.com>, nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) says:
> 
> (This is sort of halfway between an Andrew and an nroff question, but I
> think it is of interest to Andrew users in general.)
> 
> out all formatting, the way the mail system does, because I wanted to
>  .........(deleted)
> end up with pagination, numbered page headings, table of contents, etc. 
> So instead, I did the following:
> 
> ezprint -c -t $1 | nroff -Tlpr
> 
> The addition of the "-Tlpr" took care of most of my problems in the
> first pass, such as embedded escape characters and weird page lengths. 
> However, I am left with one undesirable oddity:  several things are
> underlined with the ^H_ convention, which is not what I would consider
> plain text.  Does anyone know how to tell nroff not to do this?  Thanks
> in advance.  -- Nathaniel

If u have nroff available,  u should find "col" around as well.  col is
designed (I gather) to buffer nroff output and stop printers from
jumping off the table as they attempt reverse line-feed and such 4th,
but its -b option should get rid of your back-spacing problem.

Incidentally,  I assume you really mean that your output is of the
form "_^Hchar_^Hchar" rather than "char^H_char^H_" (at least I hope
it is)  .... col's -b option effectively overwrites all back-space
sequences with the last character of the sequence,  so if you're
really getting the underscore last in the sequence,  this won't work.

Anyway,  try: ezprint -c -t $1 | nroff -Tlpr |col -b

							Cheers,
							Tony S
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Jun-91 Re: messages 
bug in excepti.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (165)}


\quotation{It sounds to me like you would be happy (as I am) if you turned

}\quotation{on the "clear after sending" option.  This yields exactly the 
behavior

}\quotation{you want, I think...

}

That's what I use, and I'm happy as a clam. 
 \footnote{\
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(BTW, just how happy \italic{is} a clam? \
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\view{fnotev,3062768,1,0,0}}  I always keep blind carbon copies of all the 
mail I send out, so if I ever need to reuse the text of a message, I can 
always do a \typewriter{\bold{\smaller{Restore Draft}}} from my copies folder. 
 Or if you know ahead of time you'll be modifying the message after you send 
it, you can click on \smaller{\bold{\typewriter{Will Clear}}} in the 
\italic{sendmessage} window before you send it.


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


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I thought that I'd just post my menubar preferences so that those of you with 
color monitors could have a starting place for configuring your environment 
(and so you might be motivated to get on patch.10).  I set colors based on 
whether or not I'm logged into my RS6K, rascal.


(rascal) gk5g> \bold{cat preferences}

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:ez.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:ez.backgroundcolor: antiquewhite1

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:console.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:console.backgroundcolor: cornsilk

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:typescript.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:typescript.backgroundcolor: cornsilk3

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages.foregroundcolor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages.backgroundcolor: cornsilk2


console.bodyfont: andysans12

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:ez.bodyfont: andysans14

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages.bodyfont: andysans14

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:messages-send.bodyfont: andysans14


messages.PopupMenuList: "",  "Other"

ez.PopupMenuList: "",  "Other"

*.PopupMenuList: ""

console.Menubar:off

*.Menubar:on

*.PopUpMenus:on

*.MenubarShadowDepth: 3

*.MenubarTitleFont: andysans14

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarItemFont: andysans14b


?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarTitlesColor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarTitleColor: black

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarBackgroundColor:#9db5cd

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarItemColor: #fce089

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarCardBackgroundColor:#9db5cd


*.MenubarGrayItemColor:grey80

*.MenubarGrayTitleColor:grey60


?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarTopShadowColor: lightgrey

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarBottomShadowColor: grey


?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarCardTopShadowColor: lightgrey

?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:*.MenubarCardBottomShadowColor:grey


Have fun.

Gary Keim

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\quotation{?M=rascal.andrew.cmu.edu:

}
I believe this can be more simply replaced with:


\example{?C=rs:}


"?C" is the same as:


\example{$ANDREWDIR/bin/sys -c}


This way you don't have to list every machine of the same type in a separate 
preference:


--fish

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\quotation{I believe this can be more simply replaced with:

}
\quotation{\example{?C=rs:}

}

Actually, what one really needs is a way to ask about the display (the one 
pointed to by $DISPLAY): 


?DisplayClass=Color:...


or


?DisplaySize=1280x1024:...


or


?DisplayResolution=75:...



Does this seem like a reasonable proposal?


-Michael

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\quotation{Actually, what one really needs is a way to ask about the display 
(the one pointed to by $DISPLAY): 

}
\quotation{?DisplayClass=Color:...

}
\quotation{or

}
\quotation{?DisplaySize=1280x1024:...

}
\quotation{or

}
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}
\quotation{Does this seem like a reasonable proposal?

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This reminds me a lot of the discussions that led to the "?M=", etc. syntax in 
the first place.  Eventually, I added in a "?E=" (for things dependent on 
environment variables) because the predefined things like machine type & name 
were just not enough.  I'm not sure you want to enumerate all the desired 
possibilities, either.  Instead, one possibility is a more general mechanism 
in which a command is executed and its exit status determines whether or not 
the preference should be read.  For example:


?X=/u/nsb/bin/iscolor: some-preference


would execute the /u/nsb/bin/iscolor program and have some-preference take 
effect only if it returns a non-zero value.  You might also want to hardwire 
some of the more common ones, like the ones Mike mentions, but there will be a 
never-ending stream of them.


However, this is (obviously) not very efficient.  But why do we need any 
changes at all?  You can do the "right thing" today, with no code changes, if 
you really want.  Add the code to .xinitrc that checks whatever you want and 
sets an environment variable, e.g.


if (big-hairy-test) then

    setenv ISCOLOR 1

else

    setenv ISCOLOR 0

endif


and then have preferences of the form


?E=ISCOLOR=1: whatever


I believe that this approach will work for you today, without going any 
further down the slippery slope of hard-wired preference options.... -- 
Nathaniel

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Well, here we go.

When compiling patch10 on a sun4 machine which is running sunos 4.1.1:

\example{\smaller{building (dependInstall) 
(/a/beauty/home/theory/andrew/sun4/build/overhead/class/machdep/sun_sparc)

}}the file global.o is not created in shared library form (at least, it is not 
placed in the 'shared' directory.


However, later on:

\example{\smaller{building (dependInstall) 
(/a/beauty/home/theory/andrew/sun4/build/overhead/class/lib)

[...]

ld -assert pure-text -o libclass.a shared/class.o classproc.o 
../machdep/machine/entry.o \\

    ../machdep/machine/shared/doload.o shared/mapping.o \\

    shared/classind.o ../machdep/machine/shared/globals.o

ld: ../machdep/machine/shared/globals.o: No such file or directory

*** Error code 4

}}
This ain't good.  Thinking that maybe it isn't supposed to be in 'shared' (as 
entry.o is not), I changed the local Makefile to reference 
../machdep/machine/globals.o.  This failed badly with the assert pure-text 
complaining. I assume this means that it needs munging into position 
independent code.


Looking further into this, the directory ../machdep/machine is a symlink to 
../machdep/sun_sparc. This *should* be sun_sparc_41 surely... In the Makefile, 
SYS_OS_ARCH=sun_sparc_41 is set from the macro file, but this is overriden to 
be sun_sparc later on:

\example{\smaller{
# End of what comes from the allsys.mcr file

#


        MALLOCALIGNMENT = 8


        PICFLAG = -pic


        SHLIBLDFLAGS = -assert pure-text


XUTILDIR=/usr/bin/X11


        SYSTEM_H_FILE = sun4_41/system.h


        SYS_IDENT = sun4_41

        SYS_OS_ARCH = sun_sparc


#

# The following is from the allsys.mcr file, and may be over-ridden

}}[...]


I removed this second definition of SYS_OS_ARCH, redid the makefiles and redid 
the make of the machdep and lib directories and it all hummed along happily.

So... somehow, this second (and wrong) definition is creeping in from 
somewhere. I dunno how. Any clues?


Nick.


(BTW, same directory (class/lib):

"class.c", line 594: warning: illegal pointer combination

I don't know how religious ITC is about removing these...)


Nick Williams, Dept of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK.

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Steve Rohall@thumper.bel (253)}


\quotation{What magic should I put in an ez document to get it to print the 
current

}\quotation{date when I send the file to a printer?

}

Take a look at the writestamp and timeoday insets, and some of the options 
available with the header/footer object. timeoday sounds like what you're 
asking for.


--david

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Transient window support has been added in patch 10. Take a look at these new 
methods in im:


	CreateTransientWindow(struct im *other) returns boolean;

	CreateOverrideWindow(struct im *other) returns boolean;


--david

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\quotation{Looking further into this, the directory ../machdep/machine is a 
symlink to ../machdep/sun_sparc. This *should* be sun_sparc_41 surely... In 
the Makefile, SYS_OS_ARCH=sun_sparc_41 is set from the macro file, but this is 
overriden to be sun_sparc later on:

}
Yes, it is overriden by your site files.  I believe all of what follows came 
from your site.mcr file:


XUTILDIR=/usr/bin/X11


        SYSTEM_H_FILE = sun4_41/system.h


        SYS_IDENT = sun4_41

        SYS_OS_ARCH = sun_sparc


The reason I think this is because if you look at the last few macros defined 
by sun4_41/system.mcr you see that they are:


        	MALLOCALIGNMENT = 8

	PICFLAG = -pic

	SHLIBLDFLAGS = -assert pure-text


Can you send me your site files?  I'd like to figure this out.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I just grabbed the entire andrew tree with patch 10 (andrew.010.tar.Z).
 I think I have it setup correctly -- I'm using the defaults supplied.

When running "make World" it ends with:

building (dependInstall) (/oldusr/src/andrew/overhead/class/machdep)
make DESTDIR=/usr/andrew install
rm -f machine
ln -s dec_mips machine
touch install.time
touch install.doc
building (dependInstall) (/oldusr/src/andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips)
Make:  Don't know how to make .a.  Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Did I goof the setup?  I've not editted site.h or site.mcr as my X11
utilities are in /usr/local/bin and I'm using the stock install locations, etc.

--Dwight D. McKay, Computer Systems Specialist
--Purdue University, Department of Biological Sciences
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From conftest (make log)
%%%% Executing the configuration tester.
./conftest
conftest: Checking configuration for sys type ``sun4_41'', full name ``SUN4_4.3b
sd''
Sys type sun4_41 is most like 4.3 BSD.
conftest: Checking for problems in the allsys.h/system.h/site.h files.
AFS_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.
Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AFS_ENV .

Where does it say that if I define AFS_ENV that WHITEPAGES_ENV must be
defined?



-- 
	John Powell 			phone: (301) 496-2963
	Building 12A, Room 2031		FAX: (301) 402-0007
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\quotation{building (dependInstall) 
(/oldusr/src/andrew/overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips)

}\quotation{Make:  Don't know how to make .a.  Stop.

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}
\quotation{Stop.

}
\quotation{Did I goof the setup?  I've not editted site.h or site.mcr as my 
X11

}\quotation{utilities are in /usr/local/bin and I'm using the stock install 
locations, etc.

}
Yes.  From the top-level README:


\subsection{1.2.7	Notes on Installation on a MIPS system}


The MIPS compiler tools have a notion of a global area into which small data 
items are allocated.  This allows the compiler to generate small-offset 
addresses for these items, which gives better performance.  By default, any 
item eight (8) bytes or smaller gets allocated into this area.  Unfortunately, 
the global area mechanism clashes horribly with the way dynamic loading works. 
 The problem is that the global area is fixed in size at link time and cannot 
be expanded at run time.  Therefore if a dynamic object (.do file) contains 
any data that must go in the global area, the object cannot be loaded.


In order to get around this problem, all code that goes into .do files must be 
compiled with the "-G 0" switch.  For source code shipped in the Andrew 
distribution, this is not really a problem, since we just compile everything 
-G 0.  However, one must also provide -G 0 versions of certain system 
libraries as well.  In particular, the following libraries are needed in -G 0 
form:


    libc.a

    libm.a

    libX11.a

    All of the AFS libraries, if AFS_ENV is set.


On some systems, these libraries will be available in the same place as their 
-G 8 couterparts, but with _G0 appended to their names (e.g. libc_G0.a instead 
of libc.a).  On other systems, one must compile these libraries from source.


Once the appropriate libraries are collected, they must be made known to the 
build process.  At present, this is done in a somewhat ad-hoc fashion.  There 
is a make variable MIPSLIBC_G0 which should be set in config/site.mcr to the 
path of one's -G 0 libc.a, sans the trailing ".a".   For example:


MIPSLIBC_G0 =  /usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0/libc


This macro is used in overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips/Imakefile .  The rest of 
the libraries must be placed in a directory that will be searched by the 
makedo shell script.  By default, this directory is $(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0/ . 
 This can be changed by editing the path following the -L on the following 
line in overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips/makedo.csh:


ld -L$\{libdir\}/mips_G0 -r -o $\{outfile:r\}.dog $filelist 
$\{libdir\}/libcx.a | egrep "ld:"


If a dynamic object contains some non -G 0 code, makedo will print an error 
message and exit, thereby stopping the build.


-end-


Furthermore, there use to be a collection of some important G0 libraries in 
the ftp directory, but they seem to have gone away.  I'll investigate where 
and why?


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I am very glad that patch 10 has arrived.  I very much would like to
have a copy, and it is very nice that it has been made available for
ftp.

I have a problem.  I do not have ftp access.  (Sigh.)  Is there a mail server
somewhere, somehow, that I can use to have just the patches delivered
to me?

Thanks in advance,

--Steve Williams
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My first response had the wrong Subject: line so here is a repeat:


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jun-91 Patch 10, sunos 4.1.1 john 
powell@uunet.uu.net (649)}


\quotation{From conftest (make log)

}\quotation{%%%% Executing the configuration tester.

}\quotation{./conftest

}\quotation{conftest: Checking configuration for sys type ``sun4_41'', full 
name ``SUN4_4.3b

}\quotation{sd''

}\quotation{Sys type sun4_41 is most like 4.3 BSD.

}\quotation{conftest: Checking for problems in the allsys.h/system.h/site.h 
files.

}\quotation{AFS_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.

}\quotation{Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AFS_ENV .

}
\quotation{Where does it say that if I define AFS_ENV that WHITEPAGES_ENV must 
be

}\quotation{defined?

}
I think it's a bug in overhead/sys/conftest.c:


\smaller{/* AFS_ENV => WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#ifdef AFS_ENV

#ifndef WHITEPAGES_ENV

    printf("AFS_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.\\n");

    printf("Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AFS_ENV .\\n");

    OneProb = 1;

#endif /* WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#endif /* AFS_ENV */


/* AMS_DELIVERY_ENV => WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#ifdef AMS_DELIVERY_ENV

#ifndef WHITEPAGES_ENV

    printf("AMS_DELIVERY_ENV is defined, but WHITEPAGES_ENV is not.\\n");

    printf("Either define WHITEPAGES_ENV or undefine AMS_DELIVERY_ENV .\\n");

    OneProb = 1;

#endif /* WHITEPAGES_ENV */

#endif /* AMS_DELIVERY_ENV */

}
It doesn't seem right that you must define the WHITEPAGES_ENV if you want to 
link against AFS.  I think that the first block can be removed.  John, can you 
do this and see if things roll? or, you could define WHITEPAGES_ENV (of 
course).


Gary Keim

ATK Group


Upon further reflection, it does appear that that it is necessary to define 
WHITEPAGES_ENV if you also define AFS_ENV.  From the \italic{white-pages} help 
file:


\section{What Uses the White Pages 

}\leftindent{
Applications that make use of the WP are called ``clients''.  Some WP clients 
that you probably use include the Andrew Message System (  \italic{AMS  }), 
the Andrew File System (  \italic{\bold{AFS}  }), and the  \italic{ls } , 
 \italic{login }, and  \italic{finger } programs.  You can also write programs 
of your own that use either the site WP or some other WP that you create.

}
It could very well be that this is a \bold{bold-face lie}, but I was looking 
through some code in overhead/util/lib that had quite a bit of mixing of AFS 
and WP calls.  Maybe Craig Everhart can give us the real poop on this matter.

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I believe that the test in conftest is correct as it stands.  Certainly it 
says that AFS_ENV implies WHITEPAGES_ENV in the file Gary quotes.  It is an 
oversight that this implication isn't in the README file.


I suppose, though, that if you wanted to turn off AMS_ENV entirely, you 
wouldn't need WHITEPAGES_ENV, even if AFS_ENV were defined.


We never designed for AFS_ENV being defined without WHITEPAGES_ENV also being 
defined.  I expect that if you try to build the world this way, you'll 
encounter link errors, and if you solve them, you may encounter run-time 
errors.  Why not build with WHITEPAGES_ENV on?  It's simple enough.


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(sunos4.1.1, sun4, atk patch10)

Yet another failed build, I'm afraid.
This time, while building atk/ness/objects/nevent.c

This file attempts to include <value.h> which is not installed anywhere.
The file is found from atk/value/value.h and manually installing this
file into an atk include directory fixes the problem.
Whether this is the desired fix....? :-)

Nick
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Yes, I'm back again, with more problems of patch10 under sunos411 ;-)


\description{1. 	Firstly dynamic loading under sunos.  I can't quite see how 
it does it, but that's fine by me.  Unfortunately, if the user has the 
environment variable \bold{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} set (at our site, many users set 
this for where to find openwindows libraries: they are installed in a 
non-standard place), then the dynamic loading does not work:

\example{\smaller{
beauty% setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/openwin/lib

beauty% runapp -d helpapp -d

dlopen: stub interception failed

Abort

}}
	Trying to add $(ANDREWDIR)/dlib/atk  into the LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't fix it 
and I can't see how the loading is working, so I can't think of anything else. 
 Help!


}\description{2. 	Invoking spell under ez gives a core dump.  I don't have a 
debugging version built yet, so I can't give more info. We have ispell 
installed (/usr/local/bin/ispell).  No message is printed. It just dies. The 
same thing happened with the compile object.  I rebuilt all the objects in 
'atk/extensions' with debugging, reinstalled the objects and both compile and 
spell work fine.... They just break when built without debugging.


3. 	Requesting the function \bold{compchar-compose} returns "Could not load 
procedure"  This happens whether compchar is built with debugging or not. 
 Don't know how to fix this.


4.	When built with the definition to use the standard ISO fonts as opposed to 
the andrew supplied fonts, the icons (for example as used by messages) are not 
available.  After manually invoking 'mkfontdir' on the X11fonts directory, 
this was fixed.


5.	Everything else seems to work! :-)


Nick.

}
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With the ISO fonts env variable set...
the value font 'values25' is not installed.
This font should be installed no matter what as it is needed by various
utilites for the icons within it.

Nick.
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What is wrong???  I have been compiling and compiling...




cc -O -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11   -o v
uin  andmach.o andmpc.o andpnlm.o cmdargs.o  lmenus.o panelp.o vui.o vuibase.o v
uipnl.o  vuiscrns.o vuisend.o vuimenus.o vuimsgs.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libcui.a /us
r/andrew/lib/libcuin.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a /usr/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a  /
usr/andrew/lib/libeli.a /usr/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmail.a /usr
/andrew/lib/liberrors.a  /usr/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a /usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a /
usr/andrew/lib/libafs.a     -lcurses -ltermcap   -ldl
ld: Undefined symbol
   _dn_expand
   _res_search
   _res_init
   __res
   _dn_skipname
*** Error code 2
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `vuin'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/X-R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclie
nts/vui
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/X-R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/ams/msclie
nts/vui
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'



						Thanks,


						Scott
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I'm running patch10 under SunOS 4.1.1 here too.  I didn't encounter

the dynamic loading program you're seeing.  My LD_LIBRARY_PATH

is:  /usr/lib:/usr/openwin/lib.  You might your class path to make sure it 
contains only PL10 compiled objects.  I found that pre PL10 and PL10

objects don't mix well.


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\quotation{1. 	Firstly dynamic loading under sunos.  I can't quite see how it 
does it, but that's fine by me.  Unfortunately, if the user has the 
environment variable \bold{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} set (at our site, many users set 
this for where to find openwindows libraries: they are installed in a 
non-standard place), then the dynamic loading does not work:

}\example{\smaller{
\quotation{beauty% setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/openwin/lib

}\quotation{beauty% runapp -d helpapp -d

}\quotation{dlopen: stub interception failed

}\quotation{Abort

}}}
\quotation{Trying to add $(ANDREWDIR)/dlib/atk  into the LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
doesn't fix it and I can't see how the loading is working, so I can't think of 
anything else.  Help!

}
Change the order of the libraries to /usr/lib:/lib:/usr/openwin/lib.  It's 
using the libdl.so from /lib which is just a placeholder (or something).  I am 
unsure why you need to be setting this at all.  The OpenWindows executables 
should "know" where to find their libraries.



Gary

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\quotation{   _dn_expand

}\quotation{   _res_search

}\quotation{   _res_init

}\quotation{   __res

}\quotation{   _dn_skipname

}

These are all resolver symbols which should either be in libc.a (on some 
systems) or in a libresolv.a (usually from the bind package) 


Whether or not the toolkit expects these symbols to be around, I believe is 
contingent upon settings in the config file relative to RESOLVER_ENV (or 
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\quotation{/lib is just a link to /usr/lib under SunOS these days, so 
/lib/libdl.so and

}\quotation{/usr/lib/libdl.so should be the same file.

}

Yes, they are the same file, but having /lib prior to /usr/lib in 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH confuses the SunOS4.x run-time loader.  Don't aks me why.  Guy 
Harris once explained this to me but ... I've forgotten the reason.

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Yes I did try adding more backslashs, no luck. A quich work around might
be to use multiple single quotes rather than a single double quote. 
(i.e. ``foo'' rather than "foo"). This is the preferered style for many
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	Now that I think about it, if it does work, I could have txttroff
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\quotation{\quotation{   _dn_expand

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}
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\quotation{--fish

}
This is true, but there seems to be an error in the Imakefile (Sparcstation). 


\typewriter{\leftindent{#ifdef RESOLVER_ENV

RESOLVER_LIB = $\{RESOLVLIB\}

#else

RESOLVER_LIB =

#endif /* RESOLVER_ENV */

}}
If you replace \typewriter{$\{RESOLVLIB\} }with \typewriter{RESOLVLIB }in the 
Imakefiles , do a "make Makefiles ; make Install"

you will get all built...

There was something like 

\typewriter{\leftindent{RESOLVER_LIB = $\{/usr/lib/libresolv.a\}

}}in my Makefile... :-)


	Juergen


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PL10 on DECstation 5000, Ultrix V4.1:


some little problems - i include the diffs below . The v_swtch, v_intr and 
v_syscall structure members are still not there - no i'm not volunteering! The 
(very little) diff for atk/typescript/tscript.c was already sent to Gary Keim. 
The good news: The unaligned access problem isn't one anymore ! Thanks to all 
the people at the ITC/ATK-group. 


------------diff for atk/console/stats/pmax_3/getstats.c--------

*** getstats.c~	Mon Aug  6 17:05:37 1990

--- getstats.c	Tue Jun 25 23:09:10 1991

***************

*** 198,206 ****

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUERUN, total.t_rq));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEBLOCK, total.t_dw + total.t_pw));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEMEM, total.t_sw));

!     sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSIO, rate.v_intr));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSYS, rate.v_syscall));

!     sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSWAP, rate.v_swtch));

      if (1) \{/* DoPROCESSES */

  	int i, j, userprocesses, totalprocesses, otherprocs;

  	off_t tmpprocp;

--- 198,206 ----

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUERUN, total.t_rq));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEBLOCK, total.t_dw + total.t_pw));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", QUEUEMEM, total.t_sw));

! /*    sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSIO, rate.v_intr));

      sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSYS, rate.v_syscall));

!     sendval(("%d:%d\\n", INTSSWAP, rate.v_swtch)); */

      if (1) \{/* DoPROCESSES */

  	int i, j, userprocesses, totalprocesses, otherprocs;

  	off_t tmpprocp;

--------------------------------------------

-----------diff for atk/typescript/tscript.c-----------------------

*** tscript.c~	Mon Jun 17 22:55:17 1991

--- tscript.c	Tue Jun 25 22:33:24 1991

***************

*** 1256,1262 ****

  	   of the encoding of ioctl's.  BUT it compiles correctly

  	   with the ioctl.h from either 4.2 or 4.3.  What can you do?

  	   Note that the ON flag is passed by reference in 4.3, by value in 4.2 */

! #if defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) || defined(_IBMR2) || 
defined(hpux)

          if(ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IOW('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff, int), &ON) == 
-1)

              ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IO('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff), ON);

  #else /* defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) */

--- 1256,1262 ----

  	   of the encoding of ioctl's.  BUT it compiles correctly

  	   with the ioctl.h from either 4.2 or 4.3.  What can you do?

  	   Note that the ON flag is passed by reference in 4.3, by value in 4.2 */

! #if defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) || defined(_IBMR2) || 
defined(hpux) || defined (ultrix)

          if(ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IOW('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff, int), &ON) == 
-1)

              ioctl(tp->SubChannel, _IO('t', TIOCREMOTE&0xff), ON);

  #else /* defined(__STDC__) && !defined(__HIGHC__) */

-----------------------------end-----------


	J\^{|}rgen


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\quotation{This is true, but there seems to be an error in the Imakefile 
(Sparcstation). 

}
\typewriter{\leftindent{\quotation{#ifdef RESOLVER_ENV

}\quotation{RESOLVER_LIB = $\{RESOLVLIB\}

}\quotation{#else

}\quotation{RESOLVER_LIB =

}\quotation{#endif /* RESOLVER_ENV */

}}}
\quotation{If you replace \typewriter{$\{RESOLVLIB\} }with 
\typewriter{RESOLVLIB }in the Imakefiles , do a "make Makefiles ; make 
Install"

}\quotation{you will get all built...

}\quotation{There was something like 

}\typewriter{\leftindent{\quotation{RESOLVER_LIB = $\{/usr/lib/libresolv.a\}

}}}\quotation{in my Makefile... :-)

}

I think that you may have #defined your RESOLVLIB in site.h instead of setting 
it as a macro in site.mcr:


        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a


[Don't forget the 8 leading space characters.]

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}
\quotation{        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

}
\quotation{[Don't forget the 8 leading space characters.]

}

My apologies, i \bold{\underline{defined}} it in site.mcr (this was my first 
time to install the ATK on a Sparc and i did \bold{NOT}

copy my standard site.\{h,mcr\} files... boing, got him... :-)


	J\^{|}rgen


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\quotation{I thought that I'd just post my menubar preferences so that those 
of you with color monitors could have a starting place for configuring your 
environment (and so you might be motivated to get on patch.10).  I set colors 
based on whether or not I'm logged into my RS6K, rascal.

}
I've tried this on my DECstation 5000/200PX, unfortunately with a R3 based X 
Server (shame on you, DEC). The problem is now, that dialog boxes are 
\bold{deep black}...

On the Sparc (SunOS 4.1.1) it pops up in a bright blue with motifish 
appearence. What can I do ?


	J\^{|}rgen


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Yes, how can we turn off that lurid blue color in the dialog boxes, and
get back to the good old ATK-style dialog boxes?

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Howdy all-
	I'm attempting to install andrew from scratch on our local network.  To
do this I grabbed the andrew release on tape 4 from export.lcs.mit.edu along with
all ten patchlevels, applied the patches, did the configuration, and attempted
to make it.
	I'm ending up with errors that go above and beyond those mentioned here
with patchlevel 10 for suns--this includes directories out of place, an 
occasional include file not where it belongs....basically a plethora of small,
easily-fixed-but-still-annoying problems.
	I guess the question is: is there some better way to go at this?  

-Tim Kolar 
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Excerpts from misc: 26-Jun-91 installation on sun 4.1 (he.. Timothy
Daniel Kolar@ucb (605)

> I guess the question is: is there some better way to go at this?  


Yes.  The easiest and least painful way to get up to speed is to grab
the entire andrew.010.tar.Z file from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.30.62) via anonymous ftp.    Use the following command to read
off the tree: uncompress < ../andrew.010.tar.Z | tar -xvpf - .

Then, after thoroughly reading the README ;-), modify the config/site
files, do a make World, then go home or take a *long* coffee break. 

Good luck,  

Susan Straub
Andrew Toolkit Group
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In article <0cOEaq600Vtp4ATG1a@andrew.cmu.edu> you write: 
|> 
|> Yes.  The easiest and least painful way to get up to speed is to grab
|> the entire andrew.010.tar.Z file from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu
|> (128.2.30.62) via anonymous ftp.    Use the following command to read
|> off the tree: uncompress < ../andrew.010.tar.Z | tar -xvpf - .
|> 
|> Then, after thoroughly reading the README ;-), modify the config/site
|> files, do a make World, then go home or take a *long* coffee break


Many thanks.

-Tim Kolar
shandon@cash.ucsc.edu

P.S.  Do I _have_ to read the README?  Couldn't I just pretend I've read past
section 2?  :-)
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"Angry fruit salad" indeed?

-GAWollman
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It's a well known fact that no matter what the setup, somebody
wil not like it.  Let me make it an open challenge for all
to offer their personal favorite colors to all of us in
info-andrew-land.

Come on, Garrett, fork over your preferences file.

-Gary

PS - there has been a recent patch sent by Todd Inglett
that allows you to specify that you want MOTIF cmenus. Patch.11


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\quotation{It's a well known fact that no matter what the setup, somebody

}\quotation{wil not like it.  Let me make it an open challenge for all

}\quotation{to offer their personal favorite colors to all of us in

}\quotation{info-andrew-land.

}
\quotation{Come on, Garrett, fork over your preferences file.

}
\quotation{-Gary

}
\quotation{PS - there has been a recent patch sent by Todd Inglett

}\quotation{that allows you to specify that you want MOTIF cmenus. Patch.11

}

That's at all no solution for my problem. I get with the same preferences 
different looks on my DECstation and on a Sparcstation. I suppose the look on 
the Sparcstation normal... (this blue one). On the DECstation it's different - 
as usual (SIGH). It's all black with the only difference of the font (it's 
dark grey) - beside all matters of taste - this is \bold{VERY} ugly. 
\bold{HELP!}


	J\^{|}rgen





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Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA

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In order to deal with the Xnews cursor bug, I really got used to having
everything in snow on SlateGray...  This has the advantage (besides
bein g easy to loot at and read) of makeing it possible to see a white
cursor :-(.  Most other X apps I use are black-on-white, although for
an Iris program I'm working on, everything is in various shades of gray.

-GAWollman
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\quotation{Yes, how can we turn off that lurid blue color in the dialog boxes, 
and

}\quotation{get back to the good old ATK-style dialog boxes?

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You can hack the code.  Look in andrew/atk/frame/frame.c for the strings 
CFGCOLOR and CBGCOLOR.


We plan on re-writing the dialog boxes to use the new override windows 
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	I recently compiled Andrew pl10 for my sparc's running SunOS 4.1.
And, to my delight, it seems to work.  I should say, the non X-window
parts seem to work just fine.  (This is a new thing.  This is the first
patch that would work on our sparcs so far, or at least that I've done.)
But, any program that tries to create an X window will give the following:

Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 17.0); please wait...
Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
help: failed to create new window; exiting.
Exit 1

  Does anyone know what would cause this?  We are using X authority here,
and I was running as myself, so it's not the simple problem of not being
able to write on the display.  I even tried xhost +'ing, but still the
same problem.  Does anyone have any idea why this would happen?

  Side note:  I compiled for our sun3's at the same time, with the same
source, and they work fine.

  Thanks...
   
                                    - Chris

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This sounds like a problem I've had...

*If* you compile with RESOLVER_ENV, and *if* your X display is forward-mapped
using YP (alias NIS) or /etc/hosts, then the X libraries may pick up
gethostbyname() from libresolv.a instead of the YP-using one in libc.so.

I see a few possible solutions to this:

  1.  Remove the module containing gethostbyname() from libresolv.  I think
this is called 'gethost' or 'getname' or something like that.
This is probably the optimal solution, if it works.

  2.  Don't use RESOLVER_ENV, and make sure to tell AMS that it is not allowed
to validate host names using gethostbyname (i.e., set the andrewSetup
variable AMS_ValidateDestHosts to no.

  3.  Use the IP address of the display instead of the name.  The X code
will notice this and act correctly.  [However, my displaycap code doesn't
work in that case.  Since I'm the only one who has ever even heard of it,
this should not be a problem for anyone else.]

-GAWollman

"X sources can seriously damage your sanity."
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>Yes, they are the same file, but having /lib prior to /usr/lib in
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH confuses the SunOS4.x run-time loader.  Don't aks me
>why.  Guy Harris once explained this to me but ... I've forgotten the
>reason.

The way the "-ldl" library works is *REALLY STRANGE*.

"/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" is, indeed, a placeholder to keep "ld" happy. 
The run-time loader checks, quite specifically, for a shared library
with the name "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" (yes, it really does a "strcmp" on
the name of the library and that string) and, if that's the library
being loaded, uses the symbols from the run-time loader itself as the
symbols for that library, rather than the symbols from that library.

The routines in that library just print out "stub interception failed"
complaints.

This also means that you must *not* use a "-L//usr/lib" line (as gets
generated for some Makefiles if you've said the X libraries are in
"/usr/lib") when linking "runapp", for example.

Yes, the above is the wrong way to handle "-ldl"; I don't know if SVR4
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From: mojo.eng.umd.edu!cross@mimsy.umd.edu  (Chris P. Ross)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Subject: Re: Strange problem, anyone help?
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In article <ccObw0W4lU4L0APVAA@sadye.uvm.edu> wollman@SADYE.UVM.EDU (Garrett Wollman) writes:
>This sounds like a problem I've had...
>
>*If* you compile with RESOLVER_ENV, and *if* your X display is forward-mapped
>using YP (alias NIS) or /etc/hosts, then the X libraries may pick up
>gethostbyname() from libresolv.a instead of the YP-using one in libc.so.

  Well, as much as this seems reasonable, I don't think it's the problem.  I
believe I *did* compile with RESOLVER_ENV set, but RESOLVLIB was set to nil,
so it didn't use libresolv.a...  It used the Nameservice stuff in our libc.

>I see a few possible solutions to this:
>
>  1.  Remove the module containing gethostbyname() from libresolv.  I think
>this is called 'gethost' or 'getname' or something like that.
>This is probably the optimal solution, if it works.

  libresolv.a not used...

>  2.  Don't use RESOLVER_ENV, and make sure to tell AMS that it is not allowed
>to validate host names using gethostbyname (i.e., set the andrewSetup
>variable AMS_ValidateDestHosts to no.

  If this is the problem, maybe I'll try this.  But, if this is the case, why
do the sun3 versions work? (we have the same installations on sun4's and
sun3's here.  Same libc...)

>  3.  Use the IP address of the display instead of the name.  The X code
>will notice this and act correctly.  [However, my displaycap code doesn't
>work in that case.  Since I'm the only one who has ever even heard of it,
>this should not be a problem for anyone else.]

  I'll try this first (as it is the easiest...  :-)

>-GAWollman

                                       - Chris P. Ross
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\quotation{ Well, as much as this seems reasonable, I don't think it's the 
problem.  I believe I *did* compile with RESOLVER_ENV set, but RESOLVLIB was 
set to nil, so it didn't use libresolv.a...  It used the Nameservice stuff in 
our libc.

}
If you define RESOLVER_ENV on SunOS4.x plaforms, and you set RESOLVLIB to nil, 
you still end up using the resolver.  It may not have been necessary to do 
this but, we create our own shared resolver library and install it in 
$\{BASEDIR\}/lib.  With dynamic loading, we can't have multiple copies of the 
resolver getting into a single process (runapp).  Using the shared library 
informs the run-time linker that the resolver is needed, and it is then up to 
ld.so to do things right.


If you look in andrew/atk/apps/Imakefile you'll see that we link against 
-lresolv to get the shared resolver for the SunOS4.x platform.  There are a 
few other places that link against the shared resolver, as well. 
 Unfortunately, we also link regular programs with the non-shared resolver.


I think that you want to #undef RESOLVER_ENV in site.h and rebuild for the 
Sun4.


If the Sun3 you referred to is not a SunOS4.x box, that explains why the 
current configuration works on that machine-- no native dynamic loader, or 
shared resolver, getting in the way.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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From: fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net  (Stephen Williams)
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I've been having some trouble with Andrew patch level 10 on
SunOS 4.1.1.  The pertinent stuff:

	SunOS 4.1.1
	SPARCstation IPC
	X11R4 server (Xsun) on a color (cgtree) monitor

There are several problems.  First, with compiling:

	When compiling tabs.do, the doindex command fails with
	the message
doindex: indexing tabs.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero
	It is interesting that I can run doindex on all the
	individual .do files and I get no errors.

	I have the same trouble with the console tool:
/local/andrew/bin/doindex -d /local/andrew/dlib/atk  consolea.do
doindex: indexing consolea.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero


So I go without the console and I try some of the tools.  The
first problem I notice is that when I try to use a menu, the
cursor (the -> cursor) is wrong.  It is displayed as a white
box with a transparent arrow.  It seems that the X cursor mask
bits are reversed.

Last problem (for today):  typescript doesn't work.  It didn't
work before patch 10, but patch 10 at work (4.1 on a SPARCstation 1)
does work.  The symptoms are the same as before patch 10:  The
child process (usually /bin/csh) dies immediately (sometimes after
printing the prompt.


I am having none of these troubles on a SPARCstation with the X11R4
server (Xsun), a monochrome monitor, and SunOS 4.1.  I am frustrated.
It is teasing me!

--Steve Williams
steve@lia.com
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1991 21:03:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Edward Lovinger <dl2n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>,
    fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Williams)
Subject: Re: Trouble compiling/running on SunOS 4.1.1
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fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net  (Stephen Williams) writes:
>         When compiling tabs.do, the doindex command fails with
>         the message
> doindex: indexing tabs.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero
>         It is interesting that I can run doindex on all the
>         individual .do files and I get no errors.

	I had exactly the same problem and spent about 12 hours
banging my head against a wall until I realized that the top level
Makefile hadn't been generated on a Sparc. Look at the top level
Makefile, and if the first three macros aren't

	SYSTEM_H_FILE = sun4_41/system.h
	SYS_IDENT = sun4_41
	SYS_OS_ARCH = sun_sparc_41

then you will need to recreate it - the bogus values were be enshrined
since the top level Makefile installs system.h.

	imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I./config -DTOPDIR=.

(and of course, check to make sure it thinks you have a sun4_41 again)
 
	You should have no problems after doing this. I didn't ...

    Dan Lovinger     Computing & Comunications      Carnegie Mellon U.
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