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From: convex!datri@uunet.uu.net  (Anthony A. Datri)
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>One common cause of core dumps on Sun4's is a bug in the shell.

I seem to have hit it on a 3/80 running 4.0.3, at the point of the do.alias
target in atk/support.

>environment with as few variables defined as possible; maybe as little
>as HOME, TERM, USER, PATH.

Worked for me.
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I am about to install ATK4 on our RS/6000.  I suspect that I lack a 
configuration file here or there for it.  Any advice for creating one (or 
more) in which place?


   - \underline{Anthony Edwards}

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Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com> writes:
> [...]
> As you note, FullUpdate with view_Remove is really for a different
> purpose than FullUpdate.  Perhaps a valid graphical context is only
> guaranteed if the type of FullUpdate is view_FullRedraw?
> [...]

The problem with "mandating" this is that many FullUpdate routines don't
pay enough attention to the type parameter. Therefore it is likely that
calling a FullUpdate routine with type view_Remove while the graphic
context is invalid will result in a core dump.

Sincerely,
Zalman Stern | Internet: zs01+@andrew.cmu.edu | Usenet: I'm soooo confused...
Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
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Subject: Re: chart

Yes, chart has commented out the code for the pallette at this time.  Apparently the pallette/chart was not up to par at the time of the R4 release.  I will investigate whether it can be made to reach par in the near future.  Sorry for the
oversight.

Gary Keim
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Subject: Re: ATK4 for IBM RS/6000

Actually, the port to the rs/6000 is a bit more complicated than simply getting
hold of some config files.  We've done the port here but the changes that were necessary have yet to be folded back into the offical sources.  They probably won't make it out of here until patch 6 (current patchlevel is 4).

Gary Keim
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Subject: Re: White Pages Installation 
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> I believe that the hist/passwd.outchgZnnn file should always have
> non-zero length.  The problem with ``wpbuild'' is that it's a shell
> script, and as such has trouble detecting AFS outages or bad
> side-effects of being over quota.
> 
> The supplied hist/passwd.chg file has, I believe, a single comment, and
> the makeboth program will insist on writing at least one comment to the
> output file, as it copies hist/passwd.chg to hist/passwd.outchgZnnn
> (editing it in the process).
> 
> I'd suggest that you ran out of disk space or quota or something when
> you were doing a WP build/rebuild operation, and that the ``zero-length
> hist/passwd.outchgZnnn'' complaint was the only good way that
> ``wpbuild'' could tell you so.  If this was the problem, then once you
> have some more working room, you should be able to restart your wpbuild
> run.

	This does not seem to be a problem. Is there any other possible
cause or is there any way of getting any debugging information? I do get
a generated file wperrZnnnn which contains :
Error reading one of the password files, user ``'': Error number 0.

and a LastMakebothSnafu file but I am not able to get many clues..
Any suggestions?


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From: nigel@cs.city.ac.uk (Nigel Mitchem)

Subject: UKUUG Technical Conference & Tutorials, JULY 1990


                 UNIX -- The Legend Evolves



                     UKUUG Summer 1990

             Technical Conference and Tutorials


                       9-13 July 1990


Friday 13th July 1990


0915 Developing Document Management Systems Using the Andrew

     Toolkit

     Martin D Beer, University of Liverpool, UK


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Makeboth reads two password files: the one you pointed it at, and the one it 
saved from last time as hist/oldpass.  I'd suspect that one of these two files 
is bogus in one of the following ways:


	- contains a blank line

	- contains a malformatted first line that doesn't have exactly seven fields 
separated by colons, with a non-null pw_name field


The complaint about the password files includes the last pw_name field that 
was read, so that should give you a clue as to where to look.  In this case, 
the pw_name field was null, suggesting to me that the password file line was 
blank or started with a colon.


Might one of these things be the problem?


If you're still stumped, you can point me at your work area, if it's in AFS, 
and I can take a look there.


		Craig


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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 12-Apr-90 Andrew 
Patch.005 Available Susan Straub (26945+0)}


\quotation{The latest patch, number 5, is available for your immediate action 
in the file contrib/R4fixes/andrew/patch.005 or patch.005.Z compressed on 
expo.lcs.mit.edu (IP address 18.30.0.212). 

}
Excuse my ignorance.  Current patchlevel is 5.  I need a memory upgrade.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Subject: malloc caller info on sun4

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Zalman Stern has contributed a bit of Sun4 assembler code that allegedly 
returns the return address within its caller's caller.  This will mean that 
plumber listings on the Sun4 can now properly list the return address to the 
place where the malloc was called.


I've revised malloc appropriately, but cannot test it since I have no Sun4. 
 If you can test the changes below, please do and let me know so I can install 
them in the system.


Fred Hansen





	THE CHANGES BELOW ARE UNTESTED.


source code for     *** getcallr.spp ***


#ifdef sun4


#include	<sun4/asm_linkage.h>


	.text

ENTRY(getcaller)

        mov     %i7, %o0

        retl

        nop


#endif

*** end getcallr.spp ***


% \bold{rcsdiff -c malloc.ci Imakefile}

RCS file: RCS/malloc.ci,v

retrieving revision 2.10

diff -c -r2.10 malloc.ci

*** /tmp/,RCSt1001879	Mon Jun  4 15:13:38 1990

--- malloc.ci	Mon Jun  4 15:04:44 1990

***************

*** 278,293 ****

  				A.RecurringM0 = 0;

  #ifdef IDENTIFY

  				if (v) \{

- #if ( defined(vax) | defined(mips) )

- 					char **mpp;

- #endif /* vax|mips */

- 

  					struct hdr *t = ((struct hdr *)v)-1;

  #if ( defined(vax) | defined(mips) )

! 					mpp = (((char **)&nbytes) - RETADDROFF);

  					t->caller = *mpp;

! #else /* vax|mips */

! 					t->caller = *(((char **)&nbytes) - RETADDROFF);

  #endif /* vax|mips */

  					t->seqno = A.SeqNo++;

  				\}

--- 278,295 ----

  				A.RecurringM0 = 0;

  #ifdef IDENTIFY

  				if (v) \{

  					struct hdr *t = ((struct hdr *)v)-1;

  #if ( defined(vax) | defined(mips) )

! 					char **mpp = (((char **)&nbytes)

! 						- RETADDROFF);

  					t->caller = *mpp;

! #else

! #if ( defined(sys_sun4_40))

! 					t->caller = getcaller();

! #else /* sun4 */

! 					t->caller = *(((char **)&nbytes)

! 						- RETADDROFF);

! #endif /* sun4 */

  #endif /* vax|mips */

  					t->seqno = A.SeqNo++;

  				\}

===================================================================

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--- Imakefile	Mon Jun  4 15:09:39 1990

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*** 9,18 ****

  

  #ifdef ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV

  NormalObjectRule()

! LibraryTarget(libmalloc.a, malloc.o plumber.o)

  InstallLibrary(libmalloc.a, $(DESTDIR)/lib)

! LibraryTarget(libplumber.a, pmalloc.o pplumber.o)

  InstallLibrary(libplumber.a, $(DESTDIR)/lib)

  InstallFile(malloc.h, $(INSTINCFLAGS), $(DESTDIR)/include)

- #endif

  InstallDocs(malloc.help, $\{DESTDIR\}/help)

--- 9,19 ----

  

  #ifdef ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV

  NormalObjectRule()

! NormalAsmPPRule()

! LibraryTarget(libmalloc.a, malloc.o getcallr.o plumber.o)

  InstallLibrary(libmalloc.a, $(DESTDIR)/lib)

! LibraryTarget(libplumber.a, pmalloc.o getcallr.o pplumber.o)

  InstallLibrary(libplumber.a, $(DESTDIR)/lib)

  InstallFile(malloc.h, $(INSTINCFLAGS), $(DESTDIR)/include)

  InstallDocs(malloc.help, $\{DESTDIR\}/help)

+ #endif

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\begindata{text,269856696}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
\define{italic
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\define{bold
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\define{chapter
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\define{section
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I posted that I had made the cmenu help file conform to reality, but then 
failed to let everyone see it.  Well, here it is.  Comments are welcomed.


==================================================


\chapter{Cmenu: Controlling the menus for Andrew applications

}
\section{What cmenu is

}\leftindent{
\display{\smaller{Cmenu is an Xlib-based menu package used by Andrew 
applications. Since it is also used by non-ATK applications, cmenu is 
customized by specifying X11 resources, rather than ATK preferences. The 
resources that affect cmenu's behavior are explained below.}}

}
\section{Customizing the menus

}\leftindent{
Below are some entries you can use to change the way that cmenus appear.  The 
default value for each entry is shown.  If you like the way the menus appear, 
there is no need to create or add cmenu resource entries.  In fact, setting 
some entries to their default values can cause unexpected results, so you 
should only add cmenu resource specifications if you want something other than 
the default.


For a complete explanation of Xlib Resource Management please see Section 
10.11 of the Xlib manual as well as Section 4.2 of the X Toolkit manual.


\bold{\italic{TitleFont:} AndySans12b}

\leftindent{Controls the font that is used for the label or title of each menu 
pane.  Any valid X font may be used.}


\bold{\italic{SelectionFont:} AndySans12b}

\leftindent{Controls the font that is used for each selectable item on the 
menus.  Any valid X font may be used.} 


\bold{\italic{ClickInterval:} 350}

This attribute (in milliseconds) determines the period of time, from the onset 
of the depression of the middle mouse button, during which you may release the 
middle mouse button and still have the menus up on the screen for selection 
purposes.  In other words, you can peruse the menu stack without having the 
middle mouse button depressed.  To select a menu option while in this state, 
you must again depress the middle mouse button on the selection of your 
choice.  There is an invisible bounding box around the menu stack which, if 
you cross while the menus are up, will force the menus to be retracted without 
a selection.


\bold{\italic{OverlapPct: 0}}

\leftindent{Determines the percentage of overlap that is used when flipping to 
the previous menu card.  By setting this value to 50, the user can move the 
mouse cursor halfway across a menu card before it flips to the previous card. 
 Setting this value to 100 will keep the current menu card showing until the 
user moves completely off the right edge of the card onto the previous card. 
 By setting this value to 0 (the default), the previous menu card will flip 
over after moving slightly past its left edge.  No setting of this value will 
cause the previous menu to be displayed without at least moving the mouse 
slightly past its left edge.}

}\leftindent{
UseSaveUnder: 1

Determines whether or not the X server will save the bits under the menus so 
that the application will not have to redraw the window when the menus are 
retracted.  The default value is 1.  The reason this option exists is for 
those displays (like the QDSS) where save unders are available, but slower 
than just redrawing.


MenuForeground: black

Determines the color to use for the foreground when drawing the menus.  The 
default value for the foreground color is black.  This attribute is only 
consulted if the menus are being drawn on a color monitor.


MenuBackground: white

Determines the color to use for the background when drawing the menus.  The 
default value for the background color is white.  This attribute is only 
consulted if the menus are being drawn on a color monitor.

}

\section{Related tools}  


Select (highlight) one of the italicized names and choose "Show Help on 
Selected Word" from the pop-up menu to see the help file for:

\leftindent{
\italic{preferences

X(1)

xrdb(1)

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I find myself using this code over and over, and think something like it might 
be nice to have in the fontdesc code.  It takes a font, graphic, and string, 
and returns the width and height of that string in that font on that graphic, 
in pixels.  Its return value is the width, in pixels.


\example{long fontdesc_StringBoundingBox (font, graphic, string, width, 
height)

     struct fontdesc *font;

     struct graphic *graphic;

     char *string;

     int *width;

     int *height;

\{

  int w, a, d, ascent, descent, junk;

  register short *fwt, *fht;

  register char *p;

  static struct fontdesc_charInfo ci;


#define MAX(a,b) (((a)>(b))?(a):(b))


  fwt = fontdesc_WidthTable (font, graphic);

  fht = fontdesc_HeightTable (font, graphic);

  if (fwt == NULL || fht == NULL)

    return 0;

  fontdesc_StringSize (font, graphic, string, &w, &junk);

  for (p = string, a = 0, d = 0;  *p != (char) 0;  p += 1)

    \{

      fontdesc_CharSummary (font, graphic, *p, &ci);

      ascent = ci.yOriginOffset;

      descent = ci.height - ascent;

      a = MAX(a,ascent);

      d = MAX(d,descent);

    \}

  *width = w;

  *height = a + d;

  return (w);

\}  

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\textdsversion{12}
\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

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attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
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attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
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attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
I just thought of an idea for \bold{ctext}:  Presently, there's the \bold{tags} 
inset which albeit has bugs in searching for subroutines (I posted a note on 
this a month back) but in general is a very useful utility.  You could take 
this inset one step further - how about allowing me to open a second window 
like the \bold{table of contents} window with a prettied-up listing of all the 
subroutines in the Tags-Buffer.  Then, allow me to click on a subroutine name 
in this new window.  Upon clicking, the last editor window that I used will 
switch to the file that contains that subroutine, placing the cursor on the 
subroutine declaration line.  (It's a punt whether the switch should be a 
recursive edit or just a switch buffer.  I suggest the latter.)


This would let me 'hyper-program' in a limited way.


Given the \bold{table of contents} inset code and the \bold{tags} inset code, 
it shouldn't be that difficult or involved to implement my suggestion. 
 (right?)


Just out of curiousity, is the \bold{ctextview} inset considered finished and 
done, or is someone maintaining it?  (read as:  is it worth my time to make 
suggestions for it?)

   - \underline{Anthony}

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Subject: Using AMS with White Pages.. 
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I want to test Andrew Mail system in a single machine environment. I have
set up the White pages database. The installation instructions say that
the "name of the installation should be same as the AFS cell name and one
Post office machine must have the same name as the AFS cell". Since there
are no PO m/c in a single machine case, is this a problem? In other words
if my machine name is not  same as the domain name, is there any way to 
specify that to AMS? This is in relation to the following error on 
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    Shripati Acharya <acharya@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
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I'm confused as to what you're trying to test.  If you're running AMDS and AFS 
together, which is a fine idea, there are some things that you can't 
necessarily do as a single machine.


However, you shouldn't have any problems yet in your testing.  (Of course, 
your WP has two distinct entries with name ``Shripati Acharya'', one with id 
``acharya'' and forwarding address ``acharya@neon.stanford.edu'', and the 
other with id ``shripati'' and no forwarding address.)


I am probably the best person to help you sort out what's happening.  My phone 
number is 412-338-4467.


To get started, you can try using the ``-D'' option to trymail as well as the 
-F option.  That is, try

	echo acharya | trymail -F -D /.login "<acharya>"

and see what happens.


There are several little test programs that you can build, reasonably 
automatically, to see just what's going haywire.


To your specific question, how does AMDS know to use your cell name: it does 
the AFS pioctl that asks what cell the workstation is configured to use.  I 
recommend the ANDREWDIR/help/setup.help file, describing the AndrewSetup file, 
to your reading.  But give a call if you get stuck again.


		Craig

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I've been wondering why \italic{dired} won't visit files such as ~/projects, 
which is a directory.  I find that \typewriter{filetype_CanonicalizeFilename} 
does not put a '/' on the end of a directory filename, but 
\typewriter{buffer_GetBufferOnFile} insists on having such a '/', to visit it, 
even though \italic{buffer} KNOWS that the file exists and that it is a 
directory!  Hey, if the canonical form is without a '/', then \italic{buffer} 
should visit it.  Or if it's with a slash, then \italic{filetype} should add 
that slash.


Bill

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Subject: patch to make dired visit file

The following patch upgrades the VisitFile routine in atk/textobjects/diredv.c
so that zoom-in actually works on files.  It also rebinds the zoom-in key to "f",
for "find", and the refresh key to "g" for "get", to be compatible with GNU Emacs.
Other directories and files are visited by creating a new window with that file
in the window.

Bill

*** diredv.c	Thu Jun  7 15:39:24 1990
--- /a/atk/textobjects/diredv.c	Wed Nov 22 09:36:19 1989
***************
*** 20,26 ****
  #include <filetype.ih>
  #include <search.ih>
  #include <frame.ih>
- #include <buffer.ih>
  
  #include <dired.ih>
  #include <diredv.eh>
--- 20,25 ----
***************
*** 123,179 ****
  struct diredview *self;
  char *fname;
  {
!     register struct buffer *buffer;
!     char realName[1000], buf[1000];
!     boolean fileIsDir, fileExists;
!     struct stat statBuf;
!     struct frame *newFrame;
!     struct im *window;
! 
!     filetype_CanonicalizeFilename(realName, fname, sizeof (realName) - 1);
!     fname = realName;
! 
!     fileExists = fileIsDir = FALSE;
!     if (stat(fname, &statBuf) >= 0) {
! 	fileExists = TRUE;
! 	if ((statBuf.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFDIR)
! 	    fileIsDir = TRUE;
!     }
! 
!     if (!fileExists)
!       {
! 	sprintf (buf, "No such file %s.", fname);
! 	message_DisplayString (self, 0, buf);
! 	return;
!       }
!     if (fileIsDir && (fname[strlen(fname)-1] != '/'))
!       /* buffer_GetBufferOnFile won't work unless dir names end in '/' */
!       {
! 	strcpy (buf, fname);
! 	strcat (buf, "/");
! 	strcpy (realName, buf);
! 	fname = realName;
!       }
! 
!     buffer = buffer_GetBufferOnFile(fname, 0);
!     if (buffer == NULL)
!       {
! 	sprintf (buf, "Could not access file %s.\n", fname);
! 	message_DisplayString (self, 0, buf);
! 	return;
!       }
! 
!     newFrame = frame_New();
! 
!     /* Note that frame menulist procs are bound in this procedure */
!     frame_SetCommandEnable(newFrame, TRUE);
! 
!     window = im_Create(NULL);
!     im_SetView(window, newFrame);
! 
!     frame_PostDefaultHandler(newFrame, "message",
! 			     frame_WantHandler(newFrame, "message"));
!     frame_SetBuffer(newFrame, buffer, TRUE);
  }
  
  static void ptproc_Zoom(self, rock)
--- 122,129 ----
  struct diredview *self;
  char *fname;
  {
!     return 0;
!     /* We may only visit files if there is a frame immediately above us */
  }
  
  static void ptproc_Zoom(self, rock)
***************
*** 243,249 ****
  
      switch (stbuf.st_mode & S_IFMT) {
          case S_IFDIR:
- /*
              sprintf(buf, "Reading directory: %s\n", fname);
              message_DisplayString(self, 0, buf);
              im_ForceUpdate();
--- 193,198 ----
***************
*** 252,266 ****
              else
                  strcpy(buf, "Done.\n");
              message_DisplayString(self, 0, buf);
- */
-             VisitFile (self, fname);
              break;
          case S_IFREG:
- /*
              sprintf(buf, "Not implemented: Editing File: %s\n", fname);
              message_DisplayString(self, 0, buf);
              im_ForceUpdate();
- */
              VisitFile(self, fname);
              break;
          default:    /* S_IFLNK never occurs; other cases are devs. */
--- 201,211 ----
***************
*** 484,490 ****
   */
  
  static struct bind_Description diredBindings[] = {
!     {   "dired-zoom-in", "f", 0,
          "Directory Edit,Zoom In~10",
           0, mmask_ItemMarked, ptproc_Zoom,
          "Edit selected file or switch to selected directory." },
--- 429,435 ----
   */
  
  static struct bind_Description diredBindings[] = {
!     {   "dired-zoom-in", "z", 0,
          "Directory Edit,Zoom In~10",
           0, mmask_ItemMarked, ptproc_Zoom,
          "Edit selected file or switch to selected directory." },
***************
*** 496,502 ****
          "Directory Edit,Rename~30",
           0, mmask_ItemMarked, ptproc_Rename,
           "Rename selected file(s)." },
!     {   "dired-refresh", "g", 0,
           "Directory Edit,Refresh~40",
           0, mmask_None, ptproc_Refresh,
           "Reread current directory." },
--- 441,447 ----
          "Directory Edit,Rename~30",
           0, mmask_ItemMarked, ptproc_Rename,
           "Rename selected file(s)." },
!     {   "dired-refresh", "\r", 0,
           "Directory Edit,Refresh~40",
           0, mmask_None, ptproc_Refresh,
           "Reread current directory." },

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Users here at MIT are interested in having a help page for dired and for spell.

Does detailed help information exist in some file?
Has someone written a help file?

Should I write one?

-wdc
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 7-Jun-90 ctext/tags 
suggestion Anthony Edwards@northsta (1116+0)}


\quotation{You could take this inset one step further - how about allowing me 
to open a second window like the \bold{table of contents} window with a 
prettied-up listing of all the subroutines in the Tags-Buffer.  Then, allow me 
to click on a subroutine name in this new window.  Upon clicking, the last 
editor window that I used will switch to the file that contains that 
subroutine, placing the cursor on the subroutine declaration line.

}
As a heavy user of \italic{ctext}, I really like this idea.


\quotation{ (It's a punt whether the switch should be a recursive edit or just 
a switch buffer.  I suggest the latter.)

}
I like the latter approach, too.


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


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NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

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Does anyone else think that tabs are too wide on the display?


To study tabs I created a file with the following three lines:

012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789

	9.5	8.6	8.2	7.5	7.0

       |       |       |       |       |       |


The first line is just a list of digits.  


The second line is a sequence of tabs followed by numbers, where the number is 
the digit under which the tab falls.  That is, the 9.5 starts on the display 
just beneath the boundary between the 9 and 0 on the first line and the 8.6 
starts just between the 8 and 9 on the first line.


The third line is a sequence where each element is seven spaces followed by a 
vertical stroke.  These strokes line up under (approximately) 3, 6, 0, 3, 7, 
0, 4



When I preview the file, these problems are apparent: 


1) A tab is nothing like seven (or even eight) spaces.


2) The positions in the second line do no line up as they do on the screen. 
 The items in the second line appear squearly under 8, 6, 4, 2, and 0--just as 
though a tab is really eight digits.


3) The vertical strokes are further apart, lying under 3, 7, 1, 5, 9, 2, and 
6.



Two questions are evident:  


Can we do anything?


and, if so, what?



The answer to the first would be no if there were some isgnificant body of 
material for which a change of tab size would be a great disaster.  Note that 
text that just uses tabs at the beginning of lines should be relatively 
unaffected if the text is just marginally less indented.



My own preference would be for tabs of about half there present width.  I 
don't really see what purpose is served by having such huge tabs.  (Please 
note,  I do not speak for the ITC in this matter.)


What do you think?


Fred Hansen

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Blat: Foop

Please don't bundle gratuitous changes (changed keybindings) into patches
that add functionality.  There's nothing wrong with suggesting new keybindigs
("This is more compatible with editor BLOTCH"), but it's a separate issue.

[No doubt you just diffed your version of the source-- but it's not too hard
 to edit the patch file to remove things like this!]

-Miles
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[ I don't really know if anyone is tracking tm... ]


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I changed line 766 in tm.c to read


		action=escapes[(unsigned char)*end];


(the cast is what's added.)  


I was thinking that the ^A handler wouldn't be so bad if it just had a

sanity check in it.  Like, if it encounters an end of line or non-ascii

character before it overflows its buffer or encounters ^B, it should just

punt to the regular character handler.  So I made that change to

~vanmelle/andrew/mytm/tm.c as well, and it seems to work.


	Bill



\example{94 % \bold{diff -c /a/contrib/tm/tm.c ~vanmelle/andrew/mytm/tm.c}

*** /a/contrib/tm/tm.c	Fri Apr 13 02:22:13 1990

--- /net/piglet/piglet/vanmelle/andrew/mytm/tm.c	Fri Jun  8 18:59:59 1990

***************

*** 666,676 ****

--- 666,682 ----

  \{

      char *dir=self->parseBuf+self->parseLen;

      int left=sizeof(self->parseBuf)-self->parseLen;

+     char *origbuf = buf;

  

      if(*buf=='\\001')

  	buf++;

  

      while(len-->0 && *buf!='\\002' && left>0)\{

+         if (*buf < ' ' || *buf >= '\\177')

+ 	  \{	/* Unlikely character, assume he's not really calling readDir */

+ 	    termulator_WriteChars(self, origbuf, 1);

+ 	    return origbuf+1;

+ 	  \}

  	*dir++= *buf++;

  	self->parseLen++;

  	left--;

***************

*** 763,769 ****

  

  	if(action==NULL)\{

  	    do\{

! 		action=escapes[*end];

  		if(action!=NULL)

  		    break;

  		end++;

--- 769,775 ----

  

  	if(action==NULL)\{

  	    do\{

! 		action=escapes[(unsigned char)*end];

  		if(action!=NULL)

  		    break;

  		end++;

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Is anyone out there using andrew/contrib/\{m3text,rctext, or rmtext\}.  They 
don't seem to compile so I thought I'd ask.  If you are using any of these 
please inform me as to how you got them to compile.  Better yet, if you 
contributed any of these contact me.


Gary Keim

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PS - if noone is interested in these they might as well be purged

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     Part of my ATK application presupposes that it is running on a
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provide sound support for these two functions.  However, it's not
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     Thanks!

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>    +         if (*buf < ' ' || *buf >= '\177')
>    +     {     /* Unlikely character, assume he's not really calling readDir */

Careful: what if I wanted to have a directory named "UNIX(R)", where
"(R)" is the ISO Latin #1 "registered trademark" character?  Other
examples, such as directory names in languages other than English, come
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A problem with {rc,m3,tm}text was discovered while building Andrew on the rs/6000.  The problem was with the way compresv.ch declared the classprocdures DecompressAll, HideBoxes, & UnhideBoxes.  As well, the various language-specific text classes were somewhat bogus in response to these bogus declarations.  This is not a critical problem (since it seems to work just fine on most every other platform).

Thank you for your support.

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There will be support for the IBM rs/6000 in the next Andrew patch (whatever number that may be).

Just thought that I'd let you know.

Gary Keim
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Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (361)}


\quotation{>    +         if (*buf < ' ' || *buf >= '\\177')

}\quotation{>    +     \{     /* Unlikely character, assume he's not really 
calling readDir */

}
\quotation{Careful: what if I wanted to have a directory named "UNIX(R)", 
where

}\quotation{"(R)" is the ISO Latin #1 "registered trademark" character?  Other

}\quotation{examples, such as directory names in languages other than English, 
come

}\quotation{to mind as well....

}

You're right Guy, thanks for pointing this out.


In our (european) opinion the folks "over there" constantly forget the rest of 
the world. 

I've been cooperating with Tom N. a while in order to make it possible to use 
Swedish characters in textview, some examples as the one above were found, but 
mostly things didn't work since \italic{char}  was used instead of 
\italic{unsigned char} or or using\italic{ isascii() }for determining if a 
string should be considered "OK". Indexing arrays with such variables produced 
very strange effects. Now textview works pretty OK, but there's always table, 
zip and the others....

\bigger{
\bold{Please do forget that characters are 7 bits with a sign or flag bit 
"unused". Characters are \italic{(at least)} 8 bits unsigned. }}

\bold{
}Many problems in internationalization persist but if the character code 
problem cannot be resolved nothing else can either.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Christer Bernerus (SM6FBQ)		! E-mail:

Chalmers University of Technology	! bernerus@\{cs,utc\}.chalmers.se

Department of Computer Science		! 

S-412 96 Gothenburg			! 

SWEDEN					!

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\textdsversion{12}
\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
Try the following:


%mkdir xyz

%ez xyz/zzz	\italic{(write 24 characters, save the file and quit)}

%ln -s xyz/zzz zzz

%ls -l zzz

l	1 bernerus	 7	Jan 1	1970	zzz -> xyz/zzz

%ez zzz		\italic{(add 6 characters, save and quit)}

%ls -l zzz

-rw-	1 bernerus 	30	Jan 1	1970	zzz

%ls -l xyz/zzz

-rw-	1 bernerus	24	Jan 1 	1970	xyz/zzz


Never mind the dates.


It seems as if ez first removes the file, then writes a new one. Why is this 
so, it seems dangerous and can create a lot of confusion if one is editing 
files from within a shadow tree. Can it be fixed using some option or am I 
doing something stupid ?


\smaller{----------------------------------------------------------

Christer Bernerus \italic{(SM6FBQ)}		! E-mail: bernerus@\{cs,utc\}.chalmers.se

Chalmers University of Technology		! Phone: +46 31 721000

Department of Computer Science		

S-412 96 Gothenburg, \bold{SWEDEN	


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By-the-book RFC 822 says that characters going through the mail are 7-bit 
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knowledge).  I don't know what the impact on the ATK datastream's use of 
characters from the set [128..255] is.


		Craig

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Ez replaces the file being edited with a new copy.  It does not attempt to 
write the file in place (that is, simply opening the file for reading and 
writing) because an inopportune crash could then leave the user with no intact 
copy of the file--neither the old nor the new copy.  In editing a file foo, it 
will make a foo.new and rename it to be foo, deleting the old copy.


Ez could conceivably attempt to follow symbolic links when first given a file 
name, so that in your example, it would accept the name ``zzz'' to edit, 
follow any and all symbolic links in that pathname, and then edit the file 
with the canonicalized name ``xyz/zzz''.


The replace-via-rename philosophy also replaces the owner of the old file and 
any hard links to the old file, even if it copies what it can (like the mode 
bits).  I don't know any way around this: Unix file system semantics and the 
desire for reliable software are at odds.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 12-Jun-90 Re: tm fix (with diff) Craig 
F. Everhart (272+0)}


\quotation{By-the-book RFC 822 says that characters going through the mail are 
7-bit ASCII.  8-bit extensions have been discussed, but not yet recommended 
(to my knowledge).  I don't know what the impact on the ATK datastream's use 
of characters from the set [128..255] is.

}
The next set of patches will include some new code for reading and writing the 
high-order bit characters in 7- bit form. The form for an 'a' with the high 
bit set will be 

\\^\{a\} 

This format has the advantage that older unpatched versions of ATK will just 
treat this as an unknown style, and not throw away the information. Additional 
information about ATK support of the ISO 8859 character sets will be 
forthcoming. 


		Tom N.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 12-Jun-90 Ez of 
symbolically linked f.. Christer Bernerus@birk.c (829+0)}


\quotation{It seems as if ez first removes the file, then writes a new one. 
Why is this so, it seems dangerous and can create a lot of confusion if one is 
editing files from within a shadow tree. Can it be fixed using some option or 
am I doing something stupid ?

}
I am in agreement with Christer on this one.  I've been burned quite a few 
times when I've been editing a file I thought was real, but was actually a 
symbolic link to somewhere else.  Later, we discover that we have two 
different files.  Then we have to figure out which changes were made to which 
file and reconstruct what the file is supposed to be.


It would be really nice if ez could track the links and figure out the real 
name.


   - \underline{Anthony}

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	I am trying to install the complete Andrew system on my
	SUN 4/330.  I have been partially successful.  I have
	most of the program working like ez, fad, and zip.

	But, the print and preview options just do not want to
	work.  I have tried changing the preferences with no
	success.  

	I tried using the ezprint program to print the doc files
	manually but the rasterfile don't show up.  What is wrong?

	Secondly, I cannot seem to get the console program to function
	at all.  It responds with the error:

	Starting console (Version 7.6, ATK 14.6); please wait...
	Bus error

	I am using the fudgenut.con default file.

	I really would like to use Andrew for my research in Medical
	Informatics but I have had so much trouble installing the
	system.  If I could get some help on this problems, it would
	be greatly appreciated.

					Sincerely,


					Scott Hassan
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Is there a reason why you can't use im_EnqueueEvent for this
functionality?  You'd just wake up every N milliseconds and do your
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\quotation{	Secondly, I cannot seem to get the console program to function

}\quotation{	at all.  It responds with the error:

}
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}\quotation{	Bus error

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Even better... in some cases, console can tickle some Sun-4/330 microcode bug 
in such a way that the machine locks up.  We are running X11R3 andrew console 
on our SparcStation/330's.  SparcStation-1's, however, work fine.


Bill

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Subject: Tabs idea

I have what may be a novel and useful approach to the tabs problem.

Tab characters have threefold semantics:

    1) To abbreviate a sequence of spaces;
    2) To align text in columns;
    3) To indent.

In tackling the tabs problem, let's keep the intended semantics of
tabs in mind.  Having said that, allow me to present my solution to
the problem.  Let me know what you all think.

First, some (newly invented) terminology:

    LINE: a single line of text as displayed by textview.  If it's a
    single line (no newlines) that wraps to two, that's considered two
    lines for the purpose of this proposal.

    COLUMN: a horizontal position measured in pixels from the left
    margin.

    TAB COLUMN: a column on the display that corresponds to the width
    of 8n+1 characters, where n refers to the nth tab column.  Tab
    columns, like columns, are measured in pixels.

    CURRENT LINE: the line (see above) of text containing the text
    caret.

    TAB START, TAB END: the horizontal positions where a tab character
    begins on a display, and where it ends.  Note that our problem is,
    given a tab start, to calculate a tab end.

    FIXED TAB STOP: a column on the display that corresponds to n
    units from the left margin, where n refers to the nth fixed tab
    stop and a "unit" is a user-selectable width, such as 0.5 inches.

    CHARACTER COLUMN: the position of a character from the left
    margin, counted in characters.  In the following line:

        abcdefg

    the letter "e" is in the fifth character column (assuming the "a"
    is on the left margin).  In counting the character column for a
    character following a tab character, use the character column of
    the preceding character, then round up to the next tab column.
    Thus, in the following line,

        abcd	efg

    (where the "d" and the "e" are separated by a tab space), the "d"
    is in the fourth character column, and the "e" is in the ninth
    character column.  Note that "character column" is measured in
    different units than "column" or "tab column."

Here's my approach:

When the user inserts a tab into text, one of two cases exists:

    1) The tab start (on the current line) falls directly beneath some
    character in the immediately preceding line;

    2) The tab start occurs beyond the horizontal end of the previous
    line.

In case 2, the tab is simply displayed as an amount of horizontal
whitespace sufficient to bring the text caret to the next fixed tab
stop.

In case 1, the tab is displayed as follows:

    1.  The character column for the character lying directly above
    the tab start is computed.  Call this character column "A".

    2.  The smallest character column of the form 8n+1, not less than
    A, is computed.  Call this character column "B".

    3.  Character column B is converted to a column (pixel units) by
    finding the column of the Bth character on the line preceding the
    tab.  Call this column "C".

    4.  The tab end is in column C.  This completes the calculation.

This approach, if built into textview, would seem to preserve the
intended semantics of tab characters.

Comments?

NOTE:  I am not speaking for the ITC.

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Reading the Andrew documentation, as it is distributed in a
printout form, we mentioned that in the chapter about ADEW there is
section 6 ( about the text object ) missing. Is it possible to have this
section been sent by mail please?


Yannis Yeorgaroudakis

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 12-Jun-90 Re: Ez of 
symbolically link.. Craig F. Everhart (927+0)}


\quotation{The replace-via-rename philosophy also replaces the owner of the 
old file and any hard links to the old file, even if it copies what it can 
(like the mode bits).  I don't know any way around this: Unix file system 
semantics and the desire for reliable software are at odds.

}
At the cost of an extra write, you could copy the old file into a backup file, 
and then write over the old file with the new contents, preserving links, 
ownership, \italic{etc}.


-Michael\
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Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com> writes:
> Excerpts from ext.andrew: 11-Jun-90 Andrew CONSOLE and EZPRINT Scott
> Hassan@informatics (905)
> 
> 
> >       Secondly, I cannot seem to get the console program to function
> >       at all.  It responds with the error:
> 
> >       Starting console (Version 7.6, ATK 14.6); please wait...
> >       Bus error
> 
> Even better... in some cases, console can tickle some Sun-4/330
> microcode bug in such a way that the machine locks up.  We are running
> X11R3 andrew console on our SparcStation/330's.  SparcStation-1's,
> however, work fine.
> 
> Bill

Does this mean X11 hangs, the OS hangs, or the processor itself hangs?  The
SPARC chip is hardwired so I sssume you mean something else by microcode.
All I'm really intereted in is whether its a hardware problem or a software
problem.

Sincerely,
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 13-Jun-90 Re: Ez of symbolically 
link.. Michael McInerny@andrew. (556+0)}


\quotation{At the cost of an extra write, you could copy the old file into a 
backup file, and then write over the old file with the new contents, 
preserving links, ownership, \italic{etc}.

}
In fact, that is how GNU Emac does it (in lisp/files.el:basic-save-buffer) :


\example{(defun basic-save-buffer ()

  "Save the current buffer in its visited file, if it has been modified."  

  (interactive)

  (if (buffer-modified-p)

      (let (setmodes tempsetmodes)

	(or buffer-file-name

	    (progn

	      (setq buffer-file-name

		    (expand-file-name (read-file-name "File to save in: ") nil)

		    default-directory (file-name-directory buffer-file-name))

	      (auto-save-mode auto-save-default)))

	(if (not (file-writable-p buffer-file-name))

	    (if (yes-or-no-p

		 (format "File %s is write-protected; try to save anyway? "

			 (file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name)))

		(setq tempsetmodes t)

	      (error

   "Attempt to save to a file which you aren't allowed to write")))

	(or (verify-visited-file-modtime (current-buffer))

	    (not (file-exists-p buffer-file-name))

	    (yes-or-no-p

	      "Disk file has changed since visited or saved.  Save anyway? ")

	    (error "Save not confirmed"))

	(or buffer-backed-up

	    (setq setmodes (backup-buffer)))

	(save-restriction

	  (widen)

	  (and (> (point-max) 1)

	       (/= (char-after (1- (point-max))) ?\\n)

	       (or (eq require-final-newline t)

		   (and require-final-newline

			(yes-or-no-p

			 (format "Buffer %s does not end in newline.  Add one? "

				 (buffer-name)))))

	       (save-excursion

		 (goto-char (point-max))

		 (insert ?\\n)))

	  (let ((hooks write-file-hooks)

		(done nil))

	    (while (and hooks

			(not (setq done (funcall (car hooks)))))

	      (setq hooks (cdr hooks)))

	    ;; If a hook returned t, file is already "written".

	    (cond ((not done)

		   (if file-precious-flag

		       ;; If file is precious, rename it away before

		       ;; overwriting it.

		       (let ((rename t)

			     (file (concat buffer-file-name "#")))

			 (condition-case ()

			     (progn (rename-file buffer-file-name file t)

				    (setq setmodes (file-modes file)))

			   (file-error (setq rename nil)))

			 (unwind-protect

			     (progn (clear-visited-file-modtime)

				    (write-region (point-min) (point-max)

						  buffer-file-name nil t)

				    (setq rename nil))

			   ;; If rename is still t, writing failed.

			   ;; So rename the old file back to original name,

			   (if rename

			       (progn

				 (rename-file file buffer-file-name t)

				 (clear-visited-file-modtime))

			     ;; Otherwise we don't need the original file,

			     ;; so flush it.

			     (condition-case ()

				 (delete-file file)

			       (error nil)))))

		     ;; If file not writable, see if we can make it writable

		     ;; temporarily while we write it.

		     ;; But no need to do so if we have just backed it up

		     ;; (setmodes is set) because that says we're superseding.

		     (cond ((and tempsetmodes (not setmodes))

			    ;; Change the mode back, after writing.

			    (setq setmodes (file-modes buffer-file-name))

			    (set-file-modes buffer-file-name 511)))

		     (write-region (point-min) (point-max) 

				   buffer-file-name nil t)))))

	  (if setmodes

	      (condition-case ()

		   (set-file-modes buffer-file-name setmodes)

		(error nil))))

	(delete-auto-save-file-if-necessary))

    (message "(No changes need to be saved)")))

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\quotation{\bold{Excerpts from mail: 13-Jun-90 Re: Ez of symbolically link.. 
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symbolically link.. Michael McInerny@andrew. (556+0)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{At the cost of an extra write, you could copy the old 
file into a backup file, and then write over the old file with the new 
contents, preserving links, ownership, \italic{etc}.

}}
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lisp/files.el:basic-save-buffer) :

}
Um, not quite, unless I don't understand the GNU Emacs primitives.


From my reading, GNU Emacs will rename the old file (if ``precious'') to the 
filename with a ``#'' concatenated to its name, try to write the original 
filename, and if that fails, rename the ``file#'' file back to ``file''.  This 
has more disadvantages than any other scheme, except possibly performance.  In 
particular, given both ``file'' and ``file#'' in a directory, you don't know 
which is the better version unless you look inside it.


Assume our file is named ``file''.


Let's assume that the goals are:

\leftindent{(a) to retain at least one good copy of the file (old or new) on 
the disk in spite of a crash at any moment,

(b) to have the file named ``file'' be one of those good copies at all times 
(so that the user doesn't have to explicitly repair the file by choosing which 
one is best)

(c) to retain the old inode properties such as owner and hard links,

(d) not to be fooled by symbolic links, and

(e) to run as fast as possible.}


Scheme 1 [naive]: open ``file'' for write and write out the bufferload.

Fails (a) (and therefore (b)).  Succeeds in (c), (d), (e).


Scheme 2 [ez]: open ``file.new'' for write, write the buffer there, and if all 
is well, rename(2) ``file.new'' to be ``file''.

Fails (c) and (d).  Succeeds in (a) and (b), and probably (e).


Scheme 3 [GNU Emacs/precious]: rename ``file'' to be ``file#'', write 
``file''; on failure, which GNU Emacs may not get a chance to catch, rename 
``file#'' back to ``file''.  And rename(2) calls can fail, also.

Fails (b), (c).  May fail (d) depending on other GNU Emacs code.  Succeeds in 
(a); (e) arguable.


Scheme 4 [proposed ez]: make ``file'' be absolute by following all symlinks; 
call the new name ``absfile''.  Apply Scheme 2 to the resulting ``absfile''.

Fails (c).  Succeeds in (a), (b), (d); (e) arguable.


Scheme 5 [copy before write]: copy ``file'' to ``file.old'', then apply Scheme 
1 [naive].  Optionally unlink ``file.old'' after writing ``file'' if all went 
well, or leave it there if people like having backup files.

Fails (b), (e).  Succeeds in (a), (c).  May succeed in (d) if ``file'' is 
de-sym-linked first, at greater execution overhead.


----------------


I see no algorithm that handles all my desiderata.  In particular, the only 
way to retain the owner and hard-link information is by overwriting the file, 
not renaming a new copy into place.  (File system designers, take note.)  Yet 
overwriting the original file allows it to be corrupted (half-overwritten, 
say) by a crash.  Do you really like having to remember what files you were 
writing when a system crash occurred, only to go back and try to piece the 
correct version together from the ``file.old'' and ``file'' versions? 
 Consider Scheme 3: you can have a ``file'' and ``file#'' form, both non-zero 
length, but you have to check that all of ``file'' was written before deciding 
that it's really OK.  What's worse, since the file being written was ``file'' 
and not some temporary name, if you don't do explicit repair, your compilers 
could believe that they're working with a complete copy of ``file''.


Maybe the only ``working'' algorithm is this:


Scheme 6: absolutize the name ``file''.  Make a copy of ``file'' as 
``file.old'' (a new inode).  Make a hard link from ``file'' to ``file.new'' 
(same inode).  Rename (with rename(2)) ``file.old'' to be ``file''; now you 
have a backup copy of the file named ``file'' and the old inode, with intact 
owner and link counts, as ``file.new''.  Open ``file.new'' for writing and 
write your buffer of data there.  If all went well. rename(2) ``file.new'' to 
be ``file''.  Voila: the owner and links are still there.


This nominally satisfies all of the desiderata, but of course, has nasty side 
effects.  Namely, if it crashes in the middle, you may have a ``file'' with 
all the right data, but with the wrong owner/link information.  Furthermore, 
if the file really does have multiple hard links, the reference through the 
name ``file'' will always find the correct data, but a reference through any 
of the other names for the file (that inode) could see the partially-written 
good data.  And Scheme 6 is just plain ugly.


None of this, of course, addresses the mutual-exclusion problems of multiple 
people editing a file simultaneously.

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If your site has not installed `messages` for reading mail, but has installed 
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is missing.


It can be installed by hand into ../andrew/lib/tpls/ from 
.../src/andrew/atkams/messages/cmd/messages.tpl. Then you will be able to read 
Andrew formatted messages with ez.  (You will have to first use ed to remove 
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>In our (european) opinion the folks "over there" constantly forget the
>rest of the world.

And then there're the Asian character sets, but that's a whole different
kettle of (16-bit) worms (which may not move from left to right)....

Anyway, here's a different version of the "tm" fixes that 1) uses
"isprint()" to check for printable characters in the window title and 2)
adds in another "unsigned char" cast in an "isprint()" call, for
safety's sake if nothing else:

*** tm.c.dist	Fri Apr 13 19:21:15 1990
--- tm.c.8bit	Wed Jun 13 12:01:27 1990
***************
*** 666,676 ****
--- 666,685 ----
  {
      char *dir=self->parseBuf+self->parseLen;
      int left=sizeof(self->parseBuf)-self->parseLen;
+     char *origbuf = buf;
  
      if(*buf=='\001')
  	buf++;
  
      while(len-->0 && *buf!='\002' && left>0){
+     	if(!isprint((unsigned char)*buf)) {
+ 	    /*
+ 	     * Unlikely character, assume he's not really calling
+ 	     * readDir.
+ 	     */
+ 	    termulator_WriteChars(self, origbuf, 1);
+ 	    return origbuf+1;
+ 	}
  	*dir++= *buf++;
  	self->parseLen++;
  	left--;
***************
*** 763,769 ****
  
  	if(action==NULL){
  	    do{
! 		action=escapes[*end];
  		if(action!=NULL)
  		    break;
  		end++;
--- 772,778 ----
  
  	if(action==NULL){
  	    do{
! 		action=escapes[(unsigned char)*end];
  		if(action!=NULL)
  		    break;
  		end++;
***************
*** 1149,1155 ****
  	else{
  	    char *end=buf;
  	    while(newlen-->0){
! 		if(!isprint(*end)){
  		    if(end>buf)
  			termulator_WriteChars(self,
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--- 1158,1164 ----
  	else{
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Subject: messages


	I am having trouble with the messages program.  When activated,
	it brings up the window then give this error:

		Messages in /mig/hassan/Mailbox could not be properly
		read and delivered (0 successes, 0 failure (0 locked,
		0 in progress))

		Error: 'set hold' in .mailrc or Mail.rc prevents
		consuming mail (in internal parameter check in 
		ConvertOldStyleIncomingMail)

	What is the solution to this problem?

	Also, I am running Andrew on a Sun 4/330 under X Windows.
	The console program doesn't work and responds in a 
	bus error.  What can be done about this small program?

					Thank you,


					Scott
					hassan@informatics.wustl.edu

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 13-Jun-90 Re: Andrew CONSOLE and 
EZPRINT Zalman Stern@andrew.cmu. (1053)}


\quotation{> Even better... in some cases, console can tickle some Sun-4/330

}\quotation{> microcode bug in such a way that the machine locks up.  We are 
running

}\quotation{> X11R3 andrew console on our SparcStation/330's. 
 SparcStation-1's,

}\quotation{> however, work fine.

}\quotation{> 

}\quotation{> Bill

}
\quotation{Does this mean X11 hangs, the OS hangs, or the processor itself 
hangs?}


The symptom is that the machine locks up, refuses to respond to L1-A (which 
would normally put it into the PROM monitor).  This would seem to indicate 
that some low-level polling loop (below the OS) is not being called.  The only 
way of regaining control that we've found is to power-cycle.  It happens 
intermittently, perhaps every other time we start up X11R4 `console'.  The 
X11R3 version, however, doesn't exhibit this behavior.


Bill

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\quotation{....and 2) adds in another "unsigned char" cast in an "isprint()" 
call, for safety's sake if nothing else:}

\quotation{
}
Umm - hate to break in here - but if you really want to be "safe" - change the 
cast from (unsigned char) to (int) -- as all of the is* functions are supposed 
to receive and return int not char or unsigned char.


--fish

.


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Perhaps someone doing Andrew-based software development might want to
submit a paper...


                   CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
       International Workshop on UNIX-Based Software
                  Development Environments



                    January 16-18, 1991
         Hotel Grand Kempinski, Dallas, Texas, USA

                      Co-sponsored by:
                 USENIX Association (USA)
                   SIGMA Project (Japan)


Many software development environments have been  described,
built,  or  used which are intended to operate atop the UNIX
system.  The goal of this workshop is to  share  information
on  what  these systems look like, what problems were solved
by using UNIX and what  problems  were  caused  by  it.   We
expect  strong representation from the Japanese SIGMA works-
tation project, which defines a national software  engineer-
ing environment that uses UNIX as its base, as well as Amer-
ican and European academic and industrial organization.

Participants will be selected by a program committee on  the
basis of submitted position papers.  Attendance will be lim-
ited to 75 to encourage discussion.  Meetings  will  include
descriptions  of important systems and presentations on par-
ticular technical points involving implementation and usage.
Significant  time  will be set aside for panels and informal
discussions of such topics.

Position papers will be evaluated  by  a  program  committee
including  researchers and practitioners from Europe, Japan,
and the United States.  Please  send  a  1-4  page  position
paper by August 1, 1990 to one of the co-chairs:

        Noboru Akima                  Stuart Feldman
        Sigma Project                 Bellcore
        5th Akihabara Sanwa Bank Building445 South Street
        3-16-8 Soto-Kanda, Chiyoda-ku Morristown, NJ 07962-1910
        Tokyo, Japan 101              USA

Electronic versions may be mailed to sdeconf@bellcore.com
9_________________________
UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T




                        June 8, 1990





                           - 2 -


Relevant topics that might  be  addressed  in  the  position
paper include:

        description of a significant system (by a designer or builder)
        experience with using such a system
            novel tools or facilities offered by such a system
            evaluations of usage
               positive and negative experiences
        experience with building such a system
            architectural considerations for a UNIX-based Software
Development Environment
            advantages resulting from basing the system on UNIX
            problems (and solutions) encountered in designing and
implementing such a system
               (e.g. file and database systems, networking and cooperation,
               scheduling and resource usage)



Workshop Format

The structure of the workshop will be decided after partici-
pants are selected.  A likely agenda is:

        Wed       Descriptions of SIGMA project
        Wed       Descriptions of other large systems
        Wed       Discussion of technical difficulties
        Wed eve   Group reception and Birds of a Feather sessions
        Thu morn  Panels on topics arising on Wednesday
        Thu aft   Subgroups
        Thu eve   Birds of a Feather
        Fri morn  Subgroup reports
        Fri aft   Panels, debate, wrapup


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I don't know about the console problem, but the Messages one is pretty
easy.  Just add the following line to the ".mailrc" file in your home
directory (if you don't have such a file, create one and put the
following line in it as the only line):

unset hold

The reason you need this is probably that your site as a global Mail.rc
that says "set hold", which tells Messages not to take anything out of
your /usr/spool/mail file.  In other words, Messages is trying not to
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Can the white pages work if the Andrew Delivery System is not present?


If so, how?  I have tried using the \typewriter{wpbuild}  script but it 
responds with lots of errors.  It seems to want the Andrew File and Delivery 
system active.  


				Thanks,


				Scott Hassan

				\typewriter{\smaller{\smaller{hassan@informatics.wustl.edu}}}




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You can build a White Pages with or without AFS.  You cannot run AMDS without 
a WP, so a WP build cannot require AMDS.


You don't want to be running ``wpbuild'' unless you're following the 
instructions in the WP.ins guide pretty closely.  This comes from 
andrew/overhead/util/lib/WP.ins and is installed in BASEDIR/doc/ams/doc/WP.ins 
(I think).


``wpbuild'' has lots of defaulting code that makes assumptions about what its 
operating environment is.  The WP.ins document describes how to override those 
assumptions and gives examples.  For that matter, ``wpbuild'' itself contains 
commentary for each of those assumptions.


		Craig

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I was wondering if anyone has Andrew toolkit running under HPUX 7.0?

If so what needs to be changed in the distribution?

Thanks,

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>Umm - hate to break in here - but if you really want to be "safe" -
>change the cast from (unsigned char) to (int) -- as all of the is*
>functions are supposed to receive and return int not char or unsigned
>char.

Wrong.  Either the "is*" thingies are functions (I know of no
implementations in which they are), in which case either:

	1) there's a prototype in scope, in which case the argument will
	   be promoted to "int";

	2) there's no prototype in scope, in which case the argument
	   will automatically be promoted to "int" on machines with
	   signed "char"s;

or they're macros (as they are in all UNIX C implementations I know of),
in which case the arguments will get promoted to "int" on machines with
signed "char"s in whatever expression they appear in.

Promoting the "char" value '\376', for example, to "int" on machines
with signed "char"s yields the value -2; the "is*" macros will do Bad
Things on all implementations with which I'm familiar if you hand them
-2.

In short, the cast to "int" is neither necessary (as indicated above,
the promotion to "int" is done automatically) nor sufficient (if you
promote a "char" to an "int" on an implementation with signed 8-bit "char"s,
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Subject: Handy EDITOR tip

I'd never thought of doing this before, and never saw it suggested
elsewhere, but it seems like a neat idea:

Instead of setting your EDITOR variable like this:

setenv EDITOR $ANDREWDIR/bin/ez

Try setting it like this:

setenv EDITOR "$ANDREWDIR/bin/ez -d"

(or the equivalent for sh/ksh users)

This tells ez not to fork, and means that it behaves properly for most
UNIX programs that think they know what "EDITOR" means.  In paticular,
they don't continue until you finish editing with ez and exit the
process.

Note that this seems to work because most programs use system() on a
string that starts with $EDITOR.  If there are any applications out
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Where can I get a hold of the Andrew Toolkit Technical Documentation

already in postscript form?


				Thanks,


				Scott Hassan

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>Note that this seems to work because most programs use system() on a
>string that starts with $EDITOR.  If there are any applications out
>there that use exec to fork a program named exactly $EDITOR, they will
>probably die horribly with this value for EDITOR.

In which case you give it the value "my_ez" (not necessarily using
"setenv", not *everybody* uses the C shell!), where "my_ez" is a script
that runs "ez -d" with the appropriate arguments:

	#! /bin/sh -
	#
	# The '${1+"$@"}' is allegedly a workaround for a bug in some
	# Bourne shells wherein "$@" expands to "" rather than nothing
	# at all if the script has no arguments.
	#
	$ANDREWDIR/bin/ez -d ${1+"$@"}
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I've made the next version of oopc (3.0) available for anonymous ftp from
woodstock.andrew.cmu.edu, as "oopc.jun19.tar.Z".

Changes include the previously mentioned namespace ones, removal of some
class compatibility code, and a new "dynamic library" scheme (which removes
the need for redundant code in dynamic objects).

Look at README to see how to compile it.

-Miles
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Oh, and also, I put in dynamic loading code for the sun3 & sun4 [README tells
how to make oopc use the right one].

-Miles
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> 
>   I written an application using Xlib that needs both KeyPress and
> ButtonPress events. The program works correctly when I'm running twm but
> whenever I try to run it under OLWM, it never gets the input focus. (I
> do get the button events though.) Does anyone have any ideas of what I'm
> doing wrong?
> 

This problem also occurs in Andrew applications running under OLWM.

>> The problem is the OLWM does not set the focus to any window which does
>> not specifically ask for it in the hints given to window managers, i.e.
>> the stuff described in the ICCCM.

>> I just editted the offending applications to through in the call asking for
>> input.

>>> Almost certainly, you're not setting the input hint.  In short, your
>>> application is not asking for input; twm is willing to give it to you
>>> anyway, whereas OLWM is not.

Does anybody know of an easy way to put a fix in Andrew to handle this problem ?
Please send email to  :

			shf@mtgzx.att.com
			att!mtgzx!shf
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Compressed postscript versions of selected ITC papers and the /usr/andrew/doc 
tree are now available via anonymous ftp from the Internet host, 
 emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (Internet:128.2.30.62 ) in the psdoc directory. Those 
of you on AFS can access the files directly in the directory 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R4/psdoc. 


Papers on the Andrew Toolkit, the Andrew File system, the Andrew Message 
system, the ODA-Express project, the Ness programming language, and the ADEW 
interface builder are included in the project directory . See the 
psdoc/project/READ_ME file for more details.


In addition, I have just translated the files in the andrew 'doc' tree into 
postscript form, compressed them, and placed the result in a tree starting at 
psdoc/doc. 


	Regards,


		Tom Neuendorffer

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Announcing a new incremental-search package for ATK:  "gsearch," coming to an 
Andrew, Patch 6 near you.  As near as I can tell, it has GNU-Emacs 
incremental-search semantics, unlike the existing "isearch" package. 
 Features:


\leftindent{\description{1) <ESC>, or any textview command, successfully 
terminates the search, placing a mark at the location you started from;

2) ^G, during a successful search, returns you to where you started;

3) ^G, during a failing search, returns you to the last successful search 
location;

4) ^S or ^R, typed immediately after invoking a forward- or backward-search, 
restores the last successful search pattern;

5) The prompt indicates whether your search pattern is an incomplete regexp.

}}
Comments and criticisms invited.

\typewriter{\smaller{\smaller{
______________                  _____________________________

Bob Glickstein                | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu

Information Technology Center | Bitnet:   bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet

Carnegie Mellon University    | UUCP:     ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg

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\indent{
I was wondering if anyone has developed a more advanced hypertext link inset 
than the one that comes with the Andrew distribution, \typewriter{hyplink}.  I 
just thought of asking before I sit down and do it myself.  I just want the 
hypertext link to be able to go to a particular position in a file rather than 
the top.  


				Thanks,



				Scott W. Hassan


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\quotation{I've been burned quite a few times when I've been editing a file I 
thought was real, but was actually a symbolic link to somewhere else.  Later, 
we discover that we have two different files.

}
Yeah, this one has gotten me a few times, too.  I vote for Craig's suggestion 
about following the symbolic links and editing the real file.

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Hello everyone,

I've just finished reading a few papers about the Andrew Toolkit
and I have a few minor questions:

	o 	has anyone ported the toolkit to Unix System V;

	o	if not, how dependent is the dynamic linking mechanism 
		on the BSD linker?, would it work with COFF files in 
		SVR[34]?

	o	finally, is the Class extension to C a transition
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		Modula-3 implementation?, or is it the definitive, 
		official language for all future Andrew development?.


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What's the best way to create multiple column documents in EZ?  Has
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Hi,
        How do you do. I have great insterest in the Andrew Toolkit. Please tell
me how to get it.
        Currently, there are several kinds of workstations in our department ---
for example, Sun3, Sun4, HP9000/350, Sony NEWS-1850, etc. Can the Andrew Toolkit
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National Tsing Hua Univ.
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In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 14 Jun 90 12:14:10 -0400 (EDT) .
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>> > I've been burned quite a few times when I've been editing a file I
>> > thought was real, but was actually a symbolic link to somewhere else. 
>> > Later, we discover that we have two different files.
>> 
>> Yeah, this one has gotten me a few times, too.  I vote for Craig's
>> suggestion about following the symbolic links and editing the real file.

I often create shadow directories which contain symbolic links to all
the files in some other directory of source files. What I usually want
in that situation is to have my changes reflected in my directory
(i.e. remove the link and create the file) so as not to disturb the
original sources. Of course, this is not what I always want.
Sometimes, I will create a "newsrcs" subdirectory under some source
directory (maybe even under one of the above shadow directories) and
put all my new sources there with symbolic links in the the source
directory. In that situation I want to overwrite the real file in the
"newsrcs" directory.

The point here is that I don't really want either behavior to go on
behind my back. I want to be able to choose at the time that I save
the file. In emacs, for example, I have use a save-file hook which
warns me if I'm saving a file which is a symbolic link and gives me a
choice of behaviors. I think that the warning is important beacause
you often don't know (or don't remember) that the file is a link until
it is too late.

-Mark


Mark Friedman
MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
545 Technology Sq.
Cambridge, Ma. 02139

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EZ currently offers the feature of being able to warn you about saving [Save 
As] a file with a name that is already in use and [Save] about possibly 
overwriting changes which occured underneath your editing session.


It seems to me a similar device (lstat?) could be used to determine if the 
file which is about to be written is actually a symbolic (or hard??) link and 
warn you of that as well.


I haven't looked at the code that does the former (nor am I volunteering to do 
the latter) - but I can't imagine it would be that hard?  (probably the 
hardest thing is to figure out how to word the question that needs to be 
answered)


--fish

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Hi,

        How do you do. I have great insterest in the Andrew Toolkit. Please 
tell

me how to get it.

        Currently, there are several kinds of workstations in our department 
---

for example, Sun3, Sun4, HP9000/350, Sony NEWS-1850, etc. Can the Andrew 
Toolkit

be properly installed in any of them (X11.3 has been installed). Thanks for 
your

help.


Yuan-Der Liu

Dept. of EE

National Tsing Hua Univ.


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Has anyone gotten the ODA Toolkit up and running for a Decstation
3100?  If so, is there anything I should know before I attempt to
compile it myself?

--
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I've been watching the sym-link discussion for some time and only now
have an opinion.

I agree with Mark Friedman, that a warning and the question:

Rewrite the original file
Make a new file in place of the symbolic link

should be posed.

Perhaps there should be new preferences added like:

ActionOnSymbolicLink:  overwrite, new, query
BackupByCopying: true, false

-wdc
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From: "Michael F. Riccio" <mr2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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>Has anyone gotten the ODA Toolkit up and running for a Decstation
> 3100?  If so, is there anything I should know before I attempt to
> compile it myself?

Are you running VMS or Ultrix?  Right before we cut the ODA Tool Kit
"tape", we built the entire distribution on a VMS machine.  I'm not sure
that we actually ever built one on Ultrix, although we regularly built
versions on Sun's Unix & the IBM RT Unix (AOS 4.3).  Just read the
instructions -- I'd be surprised if you found any problems building it.

> Mike Riccio
> Carnegie Mellon University

JR
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I am trying to get information on Andrew.
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Cc oun
Subject: help please, I'am being repressed



	Hi everybody,

	  I am trying to use the AMS in order to recommand it to the 
	software developers of our company, and I 've got some trouble,
	could you give me a some help, please?

	  1) where and how to get a Andrew users' guide ? The help program
	just gave me some help on some specific operations with some bugs,
	(may be they are related to our installation ). Is there a kind of
	guide line for a complete novice Andrew user.On our HP machine ,
	some help topic  such as eq, ezprint and ness for instance make
	the help program turns into a infinite loop, and I have to kill the
	help process which kept running, another example: when I key at a 
	shell prompt:help printing, this bloks up every thing untill I send
	it an abort command. 
	  BTW, is there an administration guide for some administration
	tips? ( ex: where and how to redefine a help search path, what are
	the init and profile files , etc)

	 2) How to set up a printer under AMS, how to send to a Laser 
	printer a AMS format text? The ezprint command does not work on
	my machine, it seems that it lacks of the file eqn and troff on
	my machine. 

	 3) how to initialize the files in the directory
	    .MESSAGE/.SubscriptionMap

	 5) what  is mspath?


	 	thanks for your help

				Jean-Luc



  Jean-Luc Oun, Bull			----------------------------------
  Software Development Methodology		email: oun@cl.bull.fr
  Les Clayes(Paris), France			tel: (33) (1) 34 62 70 00



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To: Jacob Levy <jlevy%ee.technion.ac.il@vma.cc.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: oopc v3
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Blat: Foop

[The sun4 I'm testing this stuff on is running version 4.0.3c of SunOS; I'm
using the SunOS compiler]

Jacob Levy <jlevy%ee.technion.ac.il@vma.cc.cmu.edu> writes:
> I am having problems compiling oopc on a sparc station. I edited
> the makefile as described in the README file, executed make
> dependtree without problems, but when I try to do a make I get
> the following problem:
...
> dofix.c: In function FixRelocation:
> dofix.c:137: invalid use of undefined type `struct relocation_info'
> dofix.c:138: invalid use of undefined type `struct relocation_info'
> dofix.c:139: invalid use of undefined type `struct relocation_info'
... 200,000,000 of the same error...
> *** Error code 1

I hadn't really tested the dynamic loading code on a sun4 (I just stuck it in
for the hell of it; I think the place I stole the relevent parts from is
compatible with an old version of the operating system).  So the problem here
is with my code.

However, I just went over the d-loading code and macro-ized a bunch of stuff
to make it a bit more portable, and now it compiles just dandy on the sun4
I'm using.

If I understand correctly, sunos 4 has it's own shared library/dynamic
loading mechanisms which would probably be much more efficient that the ones
included with oopc; I don't know anything about them though.

> # done making doload
> (cd invclib ; make -k DESTDIR=/home/jlevy/oopc)
> # done making invclib
> gcc -O -g   -sun4 -c  parsestmnt.c
> parsestmnt.c: In function parseNamespace:
> parsestmnt.c:218: warning: useless keyword or type name in declaration
> parsestmnt.c:227: parse error before `='
> parsestmnt.c:229: parse error before `inline'
> parsestmnt.c:231: parse error before `inline'
> parsestmnt.c:240: parse error before `inline'
> parsestmnt.c:245: `endToks' undeclared (first use this function)
> parsestmnt.c:245: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> parsestmnt.c:245: for each function it appears in.)
> parsestmnt.c: At top level:
> parsestmnt.c:253: parse error before `else'
> parsestmnt.c:255: warning: data definition lacks type or storage class
> parsestmnt.c:256: parse error before `}'
> *** Error code 1

This is a problem with gcc; the code is trying to declare a variable named
`inline', which is perfectly fine according to the ANSI standard (and in fact
compiles with no problems using the SunOS compiler).  I will change it for
the sake of world peace.

I'll put another version of oopc in the anonymous ftp directory on
woodstock.andrew.cmu.edu that fixes these (and other) problems shortly
(tonight or tomorrow).

-Miles
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}\quotation{	    .MESSAGE/.SubscriptionMap

}it's ~/.MESSAGES/.SubscriptionMap, which shouldn't be a directory but rather 
a file.  This should get initialized for you when you run CUI or VUI or 
Messages for the first time.


\quotation{	 5) what  is mspath?

}This is the collection of ``message folder tree roots'' that you can read and 
update.  Any folder name will be searched for under each of the elements of 
your mspath.  ``mspath'' defines what ``the collection of folders for mail and 
bboards'' is for you.


		Craig




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Each time I bring up an Andrew application under OLWM, the 
fonts, cursor, and the mouse pointers changed compared to running under
TWM.  I am not sure whether the problem is in Andrew or OLWM. 
I appreciate any recommendation to these fixes.  Thanks in advance.


Edwin S. Foo
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The ITC has available the following Andrew-related materials:

    Hardcopies of the documentation for ATK and AMS (available now).
    Nathaniel S. Borenstein's book: Multimedia Applications Development
    with the Andrew Toolkit (Prentice-Hall, available now).

    More information about these materials is available from:

        Information Requests
        Information Technology Center
        Carnegie Mellon University
        4910 Forbes Avenue
        Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
        USA
        phone: +1-412-268-6700
        fax: +1-412-268-6787
        info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu

    Hope this is helpful.

    Susan Straub
    <susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>
    (412) 268-6710
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Each time I bring up an Andrew application under OLWM, the 
fonts, cursor, and the mouse pointers changed compared to running under
TWM.  I am not sure whether the problem is in Andrew or OLWM. 
I appreciate any recommendation to these fixes.  Thanks in advance.


Edwin S. Foo
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Blat: Foop

Now works on the sparc (well, on a sun4, at least)

-Miles
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\quotation{Perhaps there should be new preferences added like:

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}\quotation{BackupByCopying: true, false

}
\quotation{-wdc


}Since I started the discussion and  have been following it silently I'd now 
like to say that I agree with Bill.

However I'd like to see those preferences too, otherwise it could get rather 
irritating if one is doing lots of editing in a shadow tree.


Chris



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Date: 28 Jun 90 10:42:00 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!nuug!sigyn.idt.unit.no!sigyn.idt.unit.no!oda@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Roar Brevik and Martina Zankl)
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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu

We have a minor but annoying problem.

Recently I have installed the ATK package at our site. But instead of the 
icons which are mentioned in the documentation ("bar"-icon,
"time-glass", etc.) 
I always see a letter (eg. the letter "H" when a "bar"-icon is supposed
to appear). 

I think some path or variable have been set wrongly during configuring,
and consequently the icon-library hasn't been included. But in the directory
$ANDREWDIR/lib/xicons there *are* icon-files (I think they are):

con1.icon@      ez.icon@        msgs.icon@      tx.icon@
con2.icon@      help.icon@      pipe.icon@      xatk.icon@
con3.icon@      itc.icon@       sendmsg.icon@

Anyone know a solution to this problem?


Roar
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I believe you may be confusing two different types of  "icons".


1) the "bar"-icon which appears as the letter "H" -- these are specific 
characters in a specific font (presumably it is the "H" characters -- I 
believe the font should be icon12.snf).  Check to make sure all the fonts were 
"built" and installed properly, including the creation/modification of the 
fonts.dir and fonts.alias files that should be in your X11fonts directory.



2) $ANDREWDIR/lib/xicons -- these are bitmaps for use with various X window 
managers such that when an application is iconified you can use something 
other than the default iconic symbol for it.


Hope this helps some.

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Subject: Re: Ez of symbolically linked files. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 25 Jun 1990 12:46:23 -0400 (EDT) .
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>> From: Adam Stoller <ghoti+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>> To: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>> Subject: Re: Ez of symbolically linked files.
>> In-Reply-To: <9006251438.AA01624@zurich.ai.mit.edu>
>> References: <9006251438.AA01624@zurich.ai.mit.edu>
>> 
>> EZ currently offers the feature of being able to warn you about saving
>> [Save As] a file with a name that is already in use and [Save] about
>> possibly overwriting changes which occured underneath your editing
>> session.
>> 
>> It seems to me a similar device (lstat?) could be used to determine if
>> the file which is about to be written is actually a symbolic (or hard??)
>> link and warn you of that as well.
>> 
>> I haven't looked at the code that does the former (nor am I volunteering
>> to do the latter) - but I can't imagine it would be that hard? 
>> (probably the hardest thing is to figure out how to word the question
>> that needs to be answered)
>> 
>> --fish

For my emacs write-file-hook I have a mechanism like the following:

if file <filename> is a symbolic link then
  ask "Symbolic link. Overwrite <linked-to-filename>? "
  if the answer is yes then
    overwrite the file that the link points to.
  else
    ask "Remove symbolic link and create %s? "
      if the answer is yes then
        remove the link and create the file <filename>.
      endif
  endif
endif

Note that two "no" answers allows you to totally back out of the write.
       

Mark Friedman
MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
545 Technology Sq.
Cambridge, Ma. 02139

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Subject: Re: Ez of symbolically linked files.

While one is discussing the problem with symbolic links, I wish to point
some attention to another problem with ez: if I save a file, the acces
modes are set according to the umask (or is mask) value of the csh, even
if the file had another acces mode.




P. Verhaeghe
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I'll be on vacation next week, so bug reports that you send to 
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If you find a critical bug that cannot wait, you can forward it to tpn+@andrew 
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Cheers !


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