\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 09:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dsys.ncsl.nist.gov by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for susan+; Wed, 1 Jul 92 09:28:13 EDT Received: by dsys.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/NIST-dsys) id AA14098; Wed, 1 Jul 92 09:27:48 EDT Date: Wed, 1 Jul 92 09:27:48 EDT From: Doug White Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology formerly National Bureau of Standards Message-Id: <9207011327.AA14098@dsys.ncsl.nist.gov> To: susan+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: general Andrew Toolkit info Cc: dwhite@dsys.ncsl.nist.gov Susan - I ran across your name & address in a mail message a friend passed to me. Our group is starting to experiment with multiple media (notice the sidestep of the term "multimedia"), and I would like to find out what the Andrew Toolkit is about. Our group deals basically with distributed systems; communication between and cooperative processing across dist. systems. We have been experimenting with ISDN as a communication medium, and we are beginning to manipulate images and audio, and are looking at video, as data between systems. Any information you can send would be appreciated. Thanks, Doug -.---.----.. -.---.----.. -.---.----.. -.---.----.. -.---.----.. -.---.----.. Douglas White \ E-mail: dwhite@dsys.ncsl.nist.gov Bldg 225, Rm. A216 / Phone: (301) 975-2182 Nat'l Inst. of Stds. & Tech. \ FAX: (301) 590-0932 Gaithersburg, MD 20899 / [Usual Disclaimers Go Here] \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 1760} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 09:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 09:44:27 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 09:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beryl.unice.fr by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 1 Jul 92 09:40:59 EDT Received: by beryl.unice.fr (5.65b/IDA-1.2.8) id AA11734; Wed, 1 Jul 92 15:46:55 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.beryl.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.beryl.pmax_ul4; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 15:46:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 15:46:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Vincent Granet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: accents Hello, I have just installed the Andrew Toolkit on my DEC 5000/120. I am french and I would appreciate to use accentuated characters when I edit texts. I put in my .ezinit file the following sequence: addkey compchar-graveaccent ` textview compchar addkey compchar-tilde ~ textview compchar addkey compchar-acuteaccent ' textview compchar addkey compchar-circumflex \\^ textview compchar addkey compchar-umlaut \" textview compchar Accentuation works properly when I type a character to accentuate following by the accent, if both correspond to an existing accentuated character. If it does not, ez prints "Character not available". So, one remark and one question. remark: if the accentuated character does not exist why not to insert the two original characters. question: How to obtain this expected behavior? Something else. The champ package provides a calendar. This calendar seems wrong. By example, it gives Tuesday as day of the week for July, 1st 1992! Any help would greatly appreciated. - Vincent Granet - vg@unice.fr Laboratoire I3S Univ. Nice Sophia Antipolis. France \enddata{text822, 1760} \begindata{text822, 4365} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 1 Jul 92 12:19:10 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27885; Wed, 1 Jul 92 09:05:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Jul 92 16:17:37 GMT From: pmafire!boojum!boojum!roberts@uunet.uu.net (Doug Roberts) Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7 Subject: Raster files: aren't recognized as such Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello, all. I've been trying to include a raster file as a raster inset in an Ez document, and andrew doesn't recognize the raster files that I am trying to read. Ive tried to read the raster file several ways: 1. Esc - tab to create a raster inset and using rastor I/O to read the raster file. This gives the message "No raster found in file `file_name' 2. running "raster `file_name'. This creates an andrew raster editor with an empty raster buffer. 3. ez `file_name' where file_name = something.raster. Same result as number 2. The raster file was created with xv2.1. I have also tried raster files created with ImageMagic's GIFtoSUN raster filter. System info: Sun SPARC2, SunOS4.1.1, X11R5. Thanks, --Doug -- ================================================================== Douglas Roberts | Los Alamos National Laboratory | All good work is done in defiance dzzr@lanl.gov | of management. -- Bob Woodward (505)667-4569 | ================================================================== \enddata{text822, 4365} \begindata{text822, 6739} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:05:04 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 871+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Possible projects for ATK Consortium In-Reply-To: <1429@hq.hq.af.mil> References: <1429@hq.hq.af.mil> \begindata{text,542239480} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 29-Jun-92 Re: Possible projects for A.. John Ryan@g.ms.uky.edu (2382)} \quotation{P.S. Could you have this done by next week guys? Sure could use one }\quotation{of these dohickies :-) }\quotation{------- }\quotation{John Ryan john@hq.af.mil ..uunet!hq!john } I like the way you think, mister. The only problem is that, as a Consortium, we are suppose to take changes from our members, \italic{and other contributors}, and integrate them for the whole world to enjoy. So ... as soon as you get this done, send it in? While what you describe is very doable in ATK, I bet that an architecture built above ATK would provide a better environment. There is a virtual toolkit called \bold{Vee} that's getting some attention around here. It's currently work-in-progress in search of some funding, but it promises to be a very versatile media-construction environment. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,542239480} \enddata{text822, 6739} \begindata{text822, 8968} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 1 Jul 92 13:18:56 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA00736; Wed, 1 Jul 92 10:05:01 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Jul 92 16:57:06 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mathew Yeates) Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Subject: Re: Raster files: aren't recognized as such Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts) writes: >Hello, all. >I've been trying to include a raster file as a raster inset in an Ez >document, and andrew doesn't recognize the raster files that I am >trying to read. Ive tried to read the raster file several ways: >System info: Sun SPARC2, SunOS4.1.1, X11R5. >Thanks, >--Doug >-- I have had the exact same problem, also on a Sparc. I can, however display the rasters in the lib directory. -Mathew \enddata{text822, 8968} \begindata{text822, 10866} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:37:18 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 450+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Possible projects for ATK Consortium In-Reply-To: <1992Jun30.203146.27110@news.eng.convex.com> References: <1429@hq.hq.af.mil> <1992Jun30.203146.27110@news.eng.convex.com> \begindata{text,542239480} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 30-Jun-92 Re: Possible projects for A.. Anthony A. Datri@ucbvax. (420)} \quotation{The potential for this is somewhat limited. The only reliable locking you }\quotation{get in Unix-land is with flock, which is limited to processes running on the }\quotation{same machine.} True, but you can implement the locking at a different a different level than the UNIX file. It can be done in the user interface via a central database server. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,542239480} \enddata{text822, 10866} \begindata{text822, 12714} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 484+2 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , pmafire!boojum!boojum!roberts@uunet.uu.net (Doug Roberts) Subject: Re: Raster files: aren't recognized as such In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,542239480} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 1-Jul-92 Raster files: aren't recogn.. Doug Roberts@uunet.uu.ne (1058)} \quotation{The raster file was created with xv2.1. 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Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:14:13 -0600 From: standefe@juno.Colorado.EDU (Glenn Michael Standefer) Message-Id: <9207011914.AA13747@juno.Colorado.EDU> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: problems compiling, still Hi I wrote yesterday about a fatal error in the make process getting "readlink.c" to compile. It sees syntax errors in the header files lc_core.h, time.h, localedef.h, string.h. I was given the suggestion of excluding the AFSBASEDIR setting. I did this, and it still crashes in the same way when it gets to readlink.c. I'm compiling andrew on an AIX3.2 IBM rs6000. I have the following settings in site.h and site.mcr: > XBASEDIR = /usr/local/X11R5 > XBINDIR = /usr/local/X11R5/bin > XUTILDIR = /usr/local/X11R5/bin > XINCDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/include/X11 > #define RESOLVER_ENV 1 > #define X11_ENV 1 > #define DITROFF_ENV 1 > #define DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV /usr/local > #define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /usr/local/andrew Have you heard of anyone else with this problem? Do you have any suggestions? Thank you for your time. Glenn Standefer standefe@jove.colorado.edu \enddata{text822, 63343} \begindata{text822, 65377} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:56:16 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 16:53:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 477+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: cross-ref & ezpostprocess In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,270452584} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} As far as I can tell cross references cannot ever have printed correctly. In print__ProcessView (line 199) there is : if(environ_Get("troffpostprocessor")) environ_Delete("troffpostprocessor"); The environment variable troffpostprocessor is created by the textrefview. It is tested later in ProcessView (line 270.) Probably the lines at 199 should set a char * and the test at line 270 should be replaced with a reference to that char *. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,270452584} \enddata{text822, 65377} \begindata{text822, 67689} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:07:59 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:05:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 344+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Raster files: aren't recognized as such In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,270452584} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I think part of the problem is confusion since the raster inset does not read SUN raster format, it has it's own raster format, and knows the old WM raster format. In addition to the ATK and WM formats raster can read in X window dumps, bitmaps, and macpaint format files. Hope this helps clear up any confusion, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,270452584} \enddata{text822, 67689} \begindata{text822, 69887} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 20:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 20:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 1 Jul 92 20:04:28 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17598; Wed, 1 Jul 92 17:02:20 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Jul 92 23:56:09 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Strange messages 8.5 behavior Message-Id: <1992Jul1.235609.9014@news.eng.convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I just built the 5.1 ATK distribution. Messages now flashes "Messages 8.5" in the caption widget and the "To see the captions for messages..." message in the body region whenever I check for new mail, leaving the latter in place afterward. This is getting old very quickly. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 69887} \begindata{text822, 71617} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 20:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 20:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 1 Jul 92 20:49:54 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA18770; Wed, 1 Jul 92 17:35:57 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Jul 92 16:08:32 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!mucs!lucsand!lucs!zhm@uunet.uu.net (Dr. M Zheng) Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Subject: Question on using toez Message-Id: <1992Jul1.160834.1669@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I tried to use 'toez' to convert some troff paragraphs to ATK format, but the result looked not correct. I always got two copies of those input paragraphs. Here are the source paragraphs I used in my test: The AME (Activity Model Environment) is a prototype object oriented tool that has been developed to to explore modes of organisations based on a framework for describing oranisational communication. This framework consists of eight components (see Figure ``Overview of AME components"): .IP 1. Activities The output I got was like this: \begindata{text, 1073841920} \textdsversion{12} \template{roff} T.if !0 .nr LT 2592u \majorheading{-- -- } he AME (Activity Model Environment) is a prototype object oriented tool that has been developed to to explore modes of organisations based on a framework for describing oranisational communication. This framework consists of eight components (see Figure ``Overview of AME components"): 1. Activities The AME (Activity Model Environment) is a prototype object oriented tool that has been developed to to explore modes of organisations based on a framework for describing oranisational communication. This framework consists of eight components (see Figure ``Overview of AME components"): 1. Activities \majorheading{ } \begindata{bp,1073908360} \enddata{bp,1073908360} \view{bpv,1073908360,0,0,0} \enddata{text,1073841920} Did I do something wrong? Or there are some preconditions to use 'toez'. By the way, the command I used was: toez -troff -ms -o outfile inputfile Thanks M. Zheng \enddata{text822, 71617} \begindata{text822, 74539} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 09:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 09:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 2 Jul 92 09:20:38 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA10256; Thu, 2 Jul 92 06:18:08 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Jul 92 12:56:27 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!chx400!bernina!wild@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Markus Wild) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Subject: Having atk support multi-user access to documents Message-Id: <1992Jul2.125627.6908@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm currently trying to implement a multimedia editor, so I'd like to be able to use Andrew, which would make the task much more simple (if not trivial;-)). However, this editor should be able to handle access of more than one user to one document in parallel, providing some sort of locking mechanism. So each user trying to modify parts of the document should first acquire a lock on the part of the document he wants to modify, and when the lock is granted, he's allowed to modify the document just if he'd be the only guy editing the document. Now.. taking some look at Andrew code, I found that something like this was more or less ignored in Andrews design, am I wrong? Could someone with some experience in Andrew programming comment on whether this task is bound to fail (meaning I'll do the stuff on top of Xlib, shudder...), or whether there's some source somewhere that shows a technique similar to what I need? Your help would be very much appreciated! -Markus -- Markus M. Wild - wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch | wild@amiga.physik.unizh.ch Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving from where you left them to where you can't find them. \enddata{text822, 74539} \begindata{text822, 77177} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:21:31 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1012+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Fwd: Messages 8.5 References: <8eDsZhc91JbfN4keJV@rchland.ibm.com> Distribution: world \begindata{text,538961632} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I think this is what you are referring to? The new \italic{Read Mail} behavior? Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \begindata{bp,542167880} \enddata{bp,542167880} \view{bpv,542167880,130,0,0} \smaller{From: nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein)}\smaller{ Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew}\smaller{ Subject: Re: Messages 8.5}\smaller{ Date: 17 Jun 92 19:06:43 GMT}\smaller{ } Yes, this was me fixing what I had thought of for a long time as a bug, but you aren't the only person to complain at the loss of what you saw as a feature. If you look in atkams/messages/lib/messaux.c, on line 188 (more or less), you'll find the following: void BSM_ReadMailPlease(self) struct messages *self; \{ /* folders_ReadMail(GetFolders(self), TRUE); */ folders_UpdateMsgs(GetFolders(self), TRUE, NULL, TRUE); \} The commented out line is the old behavior. You can just change it back if you like. I imagine in future versions someone should make this an option -- I personally much prefer the new behavior, since the old behavior only showed you the folder named "mail" and no other mail folder that might have new mail... \enddata{text,538961632} \enddata{text822, 77177} \begindata{text822, 79635} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:23:57 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:23:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 273+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Question on using toez In-Reply-To: <1992Jul1.160834.1669@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <1992Jul1.160834.1669@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,538961632} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 1-Jul-92 Question on using toez Dr. M Zheng@uunet.uu.net (1622)} \quotation{I tried to use 'toez' to convert some troff paragraphs to ATK format, but the }\quotation{result looked not correct.} I think you want to use \bold{\typewriter{rofftext}}. % help rofftext Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538961632} \enddata{text822, 79635} \begindata{text822, 81268} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:53:57 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2047+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Having atk support multi-user access to documents In-Reply-To: <1992Jul2.125627.6908@bernina.ethz.ch> References: <1992Jul2.125627.6908@bernina.ethz.ch> \begindata{text,538961632} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 2-Jul-92 Having atk support multi-us.. Markus Wild@ucbvax.Berke (1187)} \quotation{this editor should be able to handle access of more than one user to one document in parallel, providing some sort of locking mechanism. So each user trying to modify parts of the document should first acquire a lock on the part of the document he wants to modify, and when the lock is granted, he's allowed to modify the document just if he'd be the only guy editing the document. } EZ \bold{almost} provides everything you need. The locking would have to be implemented. You can get this system without the locking by typing ^U^X2 in your EZ window. You'll be prompted for the name of a display on which to bring up the new window. This assumes that the remote display has granted you access via xhost. I once wrote an ATK program called \bold{\typewriter{sharz}} that allowed multiple user to edit the same document. It implemented locking based on who owned the document and who had control of the document. Control was gained by clicking in the document. The screen was split between two major components, the document view and a talk view. The talk view was evenly split views of arbitrary text typed by the users. Each talk subview was titled with the userid and hostname where that user sat. The "owner" of the base document could, at any time, grab control of the document from any other editor by clicking in the document view. To implement finegrain locking would be fairly easy and would be done in a subclass of textview. You would decide whether or not to grant access to a particular text element by using markers, which represent regions of text which are contiuously updated when editing operations occur. You'd basically have to get into text/textview and massage it. I like Michael Kedem's idea of using a subclass of the note inset to show locked regions ( from his Andrew Consortium Conference Paper, \bold{Design of an ATK Joint Editing Inset} ). I can give you my code if you'd like to see what I did... maybe build on it. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538961632} \enddata{text822, 81268} \begindata{text822, 84725} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 18:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 18:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 2 Jul 92 18:21:40 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01205; Thu, 2 Jul 92 15:16:39 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Jul 92 22:03:24 GMT From: yuma!hoss.agsci.colostate.edu!wsnell@purdue.edu Organization: Colorado State University, College of Agriculture Subject: New Andrew install on RS/6000 Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I grabbed the Andrew binaries for the RS/6000 from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu and am attempting to get everything running. So far, everything but spell checking seems to work. Ispell3.0.09 obtained from the same site, is installed. Ispell runs from the command line, but I get the "Could not start ispell..." message when checking spelling with ez. What is going on? What do I need to fix it? Thanks, Warren Snelling wsnell@ops.agsci.colostate.edu \enddata{text822, 84725} \begindata{text822, 86493} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 38;andrew.cmu.edu;Susan Straub Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 3 Jul 1992 10:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 3 Jul 1992 10:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 3 Jul 1992 10:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1992 10:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Straub To: Info-Andrew , yuma!hoss.agsci.colostate.edu!wsnell@purdue.edu Subject: Re: New Andrew install on RS/6000 Cc: In-Reply-To: References: Warren, From the FAQ: Q18. Why can't ez find ispell when I know it's installed? Ispell must be on your path in order for ez to find it. Ispell Version 3 does not work with our currently released spell interface. For example, if ispell is located in /usr/local/bin, you must add that to your path so ez can find it. If this doesn't solve the problem, feel free to contact me directly. Susan Straub Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 86493} \begindata{text822, 88146} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 5 Jul 1992 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 5 Jul 1992 18:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 5 Jul 92 18:40:21 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17709; Sun, 5 Jul 92 15:26:16 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Jul 92 22:04:55 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Mathew Yeates) Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Subject: printing my object Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In order to evaluate ATK I wrote a simple application using ADEW then converted it to a standalone application. It consists of two charts, a click list, and four bar graphs. I'm nearing completion and it looks pretty sharp. The user creates a vector which is displayed in one of the charts with a line plot (I had to hack chart to make it auto scale). This vector is created by specifying the relative amounts of various minerals from a set of "end members" which are selected from a larger library using the click list. The user decides on these relative amounts by editing a second histogram chart which displays the endmember amounts. Finally, this vector is passed through a neural net and the bar graphs show the output of the neural net output nodes. One thing I like is the ability to include my application in a document and run it. I have a few remaining questions... I cannot get a print out of the application. Code is generated only for the charts (and then only one is printed). I would like to see the bargraphs in my printout. Upon further investigation I could find no method for printing value views. Am I SOL? There also appears to be a chart bug which causes the line graph to get printed in the wrong location. Any help appreciated. -Mathew \enddata{text822, 88146} \begindata{text822, 90684} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from shaler.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 5 Jul 1992 21:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaler.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 5 Jul 1992 21:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.shaler.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.shaler.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Sun, 5 Jul 1992 21:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1992 21:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 959+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , mcsun!uknet!mucs!lucsand!lucs!zhm@uunet.uu.net (Dr. M Zheng) Subject: Re: Question on using toez In-Reply-To: <1992Jul1.160834.1669@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <1992Jul1.160834.1669@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,539490964} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 1-Jul-92 Question on using toez Dr. M Zheng@uunet.uu.net (1622)} \quotation{I tried to use 'toez' to convert some troff paragraphs to ATK format, but the result looked not correct. I always got two copies of those input paragraphs. } Thanks for asking; I've been getting double copies from toez for several years and never got around to finding out why. Here is a patch to fix it. Fred Hansen (shaler)% \bold{diff -c toeza.c.BAK toeza.c} *** toeza.c.BAK Sun Jul 5 20:59:02 1992 --- toeza.c Sun Jul 5 21:13:08 1992 *************** *** 276,282 **** if (r == NULL) return; r->inputfiles = (char **)malloc(2 * sizeof(char *)); ! r->inputfiles[0] = self->inputfile; r->inputfiles[1] = NULL; r->filename = self->inputfile; --- 276,282 ---- if (r == NULL) return; r->inputfiles = (char **)malloc(2 * sizeof(char *)); ! r->inputfiles[0] = NULL; r->inputfiles[1] = NULL; r->filename = self->inputfile; \ \enddata{text,539490964} \enddata{text822, 90684} \begindata{text822, 93064} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 10:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 10:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 6 Jul 92 10:26:12 EDT Via: uk.ac.city.cs; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:24:22 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.barney.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.barney.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4_40; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:27:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:27:06 +0100 (BST) From: Andy Whitcroft X-Andrew-Message-Size: 480+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Flames. \begindata{text,3105880} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Has anyone got round to writing a Flames Builder application? We are thinking of introducing \italic{messages} as the standard mail reader (for those requiring GUI's) however it is a little hard to explain the format. It is especially difficult as \italic{messages} is mouse oriented otherwise. Thanks in advance. Andy. Andy Whitcroft E-mail: andy@cs.city.ac.uk (MIME & ATK) Systems Architecture Research Centre, Tel: +44 71 477 8000 x8551 City University, London, UK. Fax: +44 71 477 8587 \enddata{text,3105880} \enddata{text822, 93064} \begindata{text822, 94885} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:46:46 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0eK6bWm0ts4j0WC1UY@alw.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov X-Andrew-Message-Size: 947+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Possible projects for ATK Consortium In-Reply-To: References: <1429@hq.hq.af.mil> <1992Jun30.203146.27110@news.eng.convex.com> \begindata{text,7623640} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{quotation menu:[Region~4,Quotation~10] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 1-Jul-92 Re: Possible projects for A.. Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (450+0)} \quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 30-Jun-92 Re: Possible projects for A.. Anthony A. Datri@ucbvax. (420)} } \quotation{\quotation{The potential for this is somewhat limited. The only reliable locking you }}\quotation{\quotation{get in Unix-land is with flock, which is limited to processes running on the }}\quotation{\quotation{same machine.} } \quotation{True, but you can implement the locking at a different a different level than the UNIX file. It can be done in the user interface via a central database server. } \quotation{Gary Keim }\quotation{Andrew Consortium } Additionally, "flock" can (and is) implemented in a distributed fashion across AFS, making concurrent editing with file locking not only a future possibility, but a current reality. The infamous "doindex" program, for example, uses flock to assure exclusive editing access to a globally accessible index file, then removes its advisory lock so that other remote clients may gain editing access. -Bob \enddata{text,7623640} \enddata{text822, 94885} \begindata{text822, 98233} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:42:02 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17312; Mon, 6 Jul 92 10:39:36 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jul 92 18:28:47 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!boojum!boojum!roberts@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Doug Roberts) Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7 Subject: Meta . or \(bu Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi, everybody. I have a question as a new ez user. Sorry if it's obvious, in the FAQ, or in the docs somewhere, but I didn't see the answer there. I want to insert a special "bullet" character. In troff one uses \(bu and in FrameMaker Meta . inserts the bullet. There must be an equivalent way in ez... Thanks, --Doug -- ================================================================== Douglas Roberts | Los Alamos National Laboratory | All good work is done in defiance dzzr@lanl.gov | of management. -- Bob Woodward (505)667-4569 | ================================================================== \enddata{text822, 98233} \begindata{text822, 100268} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:47:30 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 99+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: OW 3.0 and ATK? \begindata{text,270452584} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Is anyone using ATK with Open Windows 3.0 on a color display? -Rob Ryan Andrew Toolkit Consortium \enddata{text,270452584} \enddata{text822, 100268} \begindata{text822, 102071} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:51:47 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 820+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: printing my object In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538816408} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 5-Jul-92 printing my object Mathew Yeates@elroy.jpl. (1268)} \quotation{There also appears }\quotation{to be a chart bug which causes the line graph to get printed in the }\quotation{wrong location. } I'll look into this chart problem. I have seen it happen... the lines never appear. With respect to printing, maybe you could be satisfied with a window dump? I know this is lame, but it would be the fastest, and by far easiest, solution. You could generate a shell script, or an ATK package bound to a keystroke, that just ran xwd and piped the output to a printer. We once had a student work on a default print method that would map ATK \italic{graphic layer} operations to Postscript -- the view would just FullUpdate onto a \italic{printing layer}. I don't know the status of that work. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538816408} \enddata{text822, 102071} \begindata{text822, 104236} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 13:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:56:34 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17655; Mon, 6 Jul 92 10:49:32 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jul 92 17:26:24 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Re: Possible projects for ATK Consortium Message-Id: <1992Jul6.172624.15654@news.eng.convex.com> References: , <0eK6bWm0ts4j0WC1UY@alw.nih.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >Additionally, "flock" can (and is) implemented in a distributed fashion >across AFS, making concurrent editing with file locking not only a ^^^ Which doesn't do the rest of us much good. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 104236} \begindata{text822, 105987} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 319+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Meta . or \(bu In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538816408} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 6-Jul-92 Meta . or \\(bu Doug Roberts@ucbvax.Berk (657)} \quotation{I want to insert a special "bullet" character. In troff one uses \\(bu} You can use troff codes in your EZ document but you have to surround the code in a \italic{Region, Format Note} (that's a menu option available in EZ). Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538816408} \enddata{text822, 105987} \begindata{text822, 107730} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:57:17 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 14:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Anthony A. Datri) Subject: Re: Possible projects for ATK Consortium In-Reply-To: <1992Jul6.172624.15654@news.eng.convex.com> References: , <0eK6bWm0ts4j0WC1UY@alw.nih.gov> <1992Jul6.172624.15654@news.eng.convex.com> Excerpts from mail: 6-Jul-92 Re: Possible projects for A.. Anthony A. Datri@ucbvax. (278) > >Additionally, "flock" can (and is) implemented in a distributed fashion > >across AFS, making concurrent editing with file locking not only a > ^^^ > Which doesn't do the rest of us much good. I guess the point I had was that UNIX locking mechanisms are not necessarily limited to processes running on the same machine, as was suggested in another posting. AFS distributes shared and exclusive locks within its global file space using flock, while NFS-mounted systems achieve the same functionality using lockf. Regardless of what underlying network file system is used, remote advisory locking with UNIX system calls should permit concurrent editing on shared files. -Bob \enddata{text822, 107730} \begindata{text822, 110465} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 962+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: alter To: susan+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Fwd: Andrew on an HP 9000 References: \begindata{text,538816408} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \smaller{Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 10:28:53 -0500 (CDT)}\smaller{ From: Mark Davisson }\smaller{ To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu}\smaller{ Subject: Andrew on an HP 9000}\smaller{ Cc: nbt@saintjoe.EDU} I am very interested in installing the newest release of Andrew on the system I am currently working on. I do not have Internet access so I would be unable to directly retrieve the files I would need to install Andrew. I am working on an Hewlett Packard 9000 Series machine (an 817S to be precise) with a 1.3GB DAT storage device. I was hoping to find someone who has Andrew installed on a 9000 Series machine and see if there could be some way to arrange for Andrew to be shipped to me on a DAT tape. I would gladly cover any costs incurred and would much appreciate the help of a kind soul :-) I can be reached at markd@saintjoe.edu or by telephone at (800) 426 9314. ********************** :-) Mark Davisson markd@saintjoe.edu ********************** \enddata{text,538816408} \enddata{text822, 110465} \begindata{text822, 112597} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 6 Jul 92 15:42:59 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA21423; Mon, 6 Jul 92 12:27:58 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jul 92 19:28:34 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: rofftext weirdness Message-Id: <1992Jul6.192834.4452@news.eng.convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Sun 4/75, SunOS 4.1.1, ATK 5.1 When using help (ie., rofftext) to read man pages, I run into problems any time \c is used. For example, in Sun's csh man page can be found are omitted, all aliases are displayed. .HP .B bg .RB [ %\c .IR job "] .\|.\|." .br .IX "C shell commands" "bg" "" "\fLbg\fR \(em job to background" .IX "bg command" "" "\fLbg\fR command" Run the current or specified jobs in the background. What I get in help, though, is def are omitted, all aliases are displayed. bg [$1%*(]F" "" "" "" "" "" job "] ..." Run the current or specified jobs in the background. If I remove the \c everything is okay, except that a space gets inserted after the %. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 112597} \begindata{text822, 114766} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 17:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 17:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:41:51 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26217; Mon, 6 Jul 92 14:30:56 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jul 92 21:15:06 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mathew Yeates) Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Subject: Re: printing my object Message-Id: References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim) writes: >With respect to printing, maybe you could be satisfied with a window >dump? I know this is lame, but it would be the fastest, and by far >easiest, solution. You could generate a shell script, or an ATK package >bound to a keystroke, that just ran xwd and piped the output to a >printer. >Gary Keim >Andrew Consortium When I try either xwd or snapshot I get the error X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage) Resource id in failed request: 0x14000fa Serial number of failed request: 279 Current serial number in output stream: 279 Our local X Guru says he thinks this might have something to do with incompatible libraries but this does not make sense to me. Any ideas? This is on a Sun with Andrew built with the Openwindow libraries. -Mathew \enddata{text822, 114766} \begindata{text822, 117065} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 17:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 17:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:57:13 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27229; Mon, 6 Jul 92 14:54:36 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jul 92 21:43:38 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mathew Yeates) Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Subject: Re: OW 3.0 and ATK? Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: >Is anyone using ATK with Open Windows 3.0 on a color display? >-Rob Ryan >Andrew Toolkit Consortium Here. -Mathew \enddata{text822, 117065} \begindata{text822, 118623} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 18:59:42 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 18:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 18:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 18:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 18:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 18:56:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mathew Yeates) Subject: Re: OW 3.0 and ATK? In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 6-Jul-92 Re: OW 3.0 and ATK? Mathew Yeates@ucbvax.Ber (169) > rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: > >Is anyone using ATK with Open Windows 3.0 on a color display? > >-Rob Ryan > >Andrew Toolkit Consortium > Here. > -Mathew Thanks, we had a report that it wasn't working. Apparently it was version 5.0 that was not functioning and 5.1 does work. Thanks again, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium p.s. if you could double check to see if pushbuttons show up alright and report the results to me I'd appreciate it. \enddata{text822, 118623} \begindata{text822, 121060} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for gk5g+; Mon, 6 Jul 92 19:10:09 EDT Received: from LAKOTA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13347; Mon, 6 Jul 92 19:10:02 EDT Received: by lakota.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16288; Mon, 6 Jul 92 19:10:00 -0400 Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lakota.vax.bsd43 via MS.5.6.lakota.vax_43; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8eKB=70Gf03SIzXaoQ@athena.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cattey To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: Meta . or \(bu Cc: In-Reply-To: References: Gary: DOnt forget about the character composition feature which will insert a bullet into a formatted EZ doc with the simple keystrokes: ^Xxbu -wdc \enddata{text822, 121060} \begindata{text822, 122660} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 13:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 13:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 7 Jul 92 13:28:35 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01863; Tue, 7 Jul 92 10:20:41 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 7 Jul 92 18:07:15 GMT From: pmafire!boojum!boojum!roberts@uunet.uu.net (Doug Roberts) Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7 Subject: Re: Meta . or \(bu Message-Id: References: , <8eKB=70Gf03SIzXaoQ@athena.mit.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <8eKB=70Gf03SIzXaoQ@athena.mit.edu> wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bill Cattey) writes: > Gary: DOnt forget about the character composition feature which will > insert a bullet into a formatted EZ doc with the simple keystrokes: > > ^Xxbu Or ^Xvbu Thanks, Bill. That's what I was looking for. --Doug -- ================================================================== Douglas Roberts | Los Alamos National Laboratory | All good work is done in defiance dzzr@lanl.gov | of management. -- Bob Woodward (505)667-4569 | ================================================================== \enddata{text822, 122660} \begindata{text822, 124687} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 15:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 15:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 7 Jul 92 15:28:59 EDT Via: uk.ac.leeds.cbl; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 20:28:18 +0100 From: Andrew J Cole Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 20:26:24+010 Message-Id: <3103.9207071926@cbl.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from cbl.leeds.ac.uk by cbl.leeds.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Jul 92 20:26:24+010 To: graham@tcom.stc.co.uk, info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Setting up a non-AMDS White Pages system? >My info-andrew feed seems to have dried up so I'm copying some of the >followup from a trn session... Graham, Following up from my message this morning - it looks as if some of the problems have been at your end! I have you on the distribution list as graham@uk.co.stc.tcom and there have been quite a few bounces as the backlog clears as below which I think is down to you. Cheers, Andrew >From postmaster%bcc.ac.uk@uk.ac.bcc.mail-a Mon Jul 6 07:50:15 1992 Received: from nsfnet-relay by ai.leeds.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Jul 92 07:49:46 GMT Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 07:46:30 +0100 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via NSFnet with SMTP id ad00336; 6 Jul 92 7:17 BST Via: uk.ac.bcc.mail-a; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:55 +0100 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk id <12045-0@mail-a.bcc.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:38 +0100 From: postmaster@uk.ac.bcc To: info-andrew-request@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for info-andrew@ucl.ac.uk Message-Type: Delivery Report Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:38 +0100 Message-Id: <"mail-a.bcc.041:06.06.92.01.58.34"@mail-a.bcc.ac.uk> Content-Identifier: Re: Setting u... Sender: postmaster Status: RO ------------------------------ Start of body part 1 This report relates to your message: Subject: Re: Setting up a non-AMDS White Pages system?, Message-ID: , To: Info-Andrew , Graham Bardsley of Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:32 +0100 Your message was not delivered to info-andrew@ucl.ac.uk for the following reason: Unknown Address Unknown local user 'info-andrew' ***** The following information is directed towards the local administrator ***** and is not intended for the end user * * DR generated by: mta mail-a.bcc.ac.uk * in /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/ at Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:34 +0100 * * Converted to RFC 822 at mail-a.bcc.ac.uk * at Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:38 +0100 * * Delivery Report Contents: * * Subject-Submission-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;, * To: Info-Andrew , Graham Bardsley * Recipient-Info: info-andrew@ucl.ac.uk, * /S=info-andrew/O=ucl/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; * FAILURE reason Unable-To-Transfer (1); * diagnostic Unrecognised-ORName (0); * last trace (ia5 text (2)) Mon, 29 Jun 1992 16:52:45 +0100; * converted eits ia5 text (2); * supplementary info "Unknown local user 'info-andrew'"; ****** End of administration information ------------------------------ Start of forwarded message 1 Received: from nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk via JANET with NIFTP (PP) id <12041-0@mail-a.bcc.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:58:34 +0100 Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 02:39:54 +0100 Received: from NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via List-Channel id ik19822; 6 Jul 92 1:51 BST Received: from sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via NSFnet with SMTP id af03080; 30 Jun 92 8:48 BST Received: from transarc.com by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 29 Jun 1992 18:52:00 +0100 Received: by transarc.com (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 29 Jun 92 11:59:48 EDT Received: via switchmail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-strip.dl); Mon, 29 Jun 1992 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Jun 1992 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Jun 1992 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.piglet.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.piglet.transarc.com.pmax_3; Mon, 29 Jun 1992 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1992 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@com.transarc To: Info-Andrew , Graham Bardsley Subject: Re: Setting up a non-AMDS White Pages system? In-Reply-To: References: Original-Sender: info-andrew-request@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay Original-Sender: info-andrew-request@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay Sender: postmaster@uk.ac.bcc Thanks for the clarification! Yes, I think I start to get what you're after. I went back to your initial post and noticed something that is also helping you to get into trouble. In your sample ``wpadd'' entries, you have things like: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 25-Jun-92 Setting up a non-AMDS White.. Graham Bardsley@tcom.stc (1626+1) > $ID G.Bardsley > $WN G.Bardsley > $PW * > $NPA 1 > $Fwd G.Bardsley@lon4021.tcom.stc-plc.gold-400.gb > $OP 730 3799 > $$ This entry doesn't have a $N entry; rather it has a $WN entry, which is intended for additional full names. For example, a user might be known as ``Liz Jones'' but have a full name of ``Elisabeth Welty Jones''. WP would capture that by having the visible name as the $N entry, and any additional names in a $WN (Whole Name) entry: $N Liz Jones $WN Elisabeth Welty Jones If Ms. Jones also had some other well-known nickname (let's say ``Sippy''), that too could be captured as another alternate name (``Sippy Jones'') in $WN: $N Liz Jones $WN Elisabeth Welty Jones;Sippy Jones There are probably oddball cases in the code that are triggered by not having any $N field for a wpadd entry, particularly if there's a $WN field. If you used $N rather than $WN, you might have even gotten some of the semantics that you wanted--lots of somewhat-conflicting local accounts. The problem with the current AMS WP support is that AMS won't read the $Fwd field to make the different, somewhat-conflicting account entries actually useful. That is, at best you'll get the conflict screen that you were apparently looking for, but selecting one of the entries on the screen won't cause mail to be sent to that entry's $Fwd field content. Sorry! Hope that you can find something useful there anyway. Craig ------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1 \enddata{text822, 124687} \begindata{text822, 133551} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 38;andrew.cmu.edu;Susan Straub Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:16:59 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Straub MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Andrew on CDROM To: Info-Andrew , XANNOUNCE@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU The Andrew Consortium of Carnegie Mellon University's School of Computer Science is pleased to announce Release 5.1 of the Andrew User Interface System on CDROM. The CDROM contains both source and executable binaries. AUIS consists of a set of preconstructed tools--the Andrew User Environment, the Andrew Toolkit (ATK), and the Andrew Message System (AMS) that allow a person to create, use, and mail multi-media applications and documents. The Andrew User Environment (AUE) is an integrated set of applications beginning with a 'generic object' editor, ez, a help system, a system monitoring tool (console), an editor-based shell interface (typescript), and support for printing multi-media documents. The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable user-interface toolkit that runs under X11. It provides a dynamically-loadable object-oriented environment wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. Thus, one could edit text that, in addition to containing multiple fonts, contains embedded raster images, spreadsheets, drawing editors, equations, simple animations, etc. These embedded objects could themselves contain other objects, including text. With the toolkit, programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as easily as those that come with the system. The Andrew Message System (AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and bulletin-boards. AMS supports several mail management strategies and implements many advanced features including authentication, return receipts, automatic sorting of mail, vote collection and tabulation, enclosures, audit trails of related messages, and subscription management. It also provides a variety of interfaces that support ttys and low-function personal computers in addition to the high-function workstations. Release 5.1 of Andrew contains many bug fixes, updates and improvements in both code and documentation. Release 5.1 also contains a variety of new facilities, including support for the new Internet MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) standards for multipart, multimedia mail. The Andrew CDROM contains source and binary distributions of Andrew for the following system types: IBM RiscSystem 6000 (rs_aix31) Sun Sparcstation (sun4c_411) Hewlett Packard Series 700 (hp700_80) DECstation Ultrix (pmax_ul4) Also being distributed on the CDROM are selected utilities for the various system, and for all system types except the HP, X11 is compiled and ready for use with Andrew. Ordering Information Copies of the CDROM may be purchased for $50.00 * by filling out the attached form and returning it to: Andrew CDROM Andrew Consortium Carnegie Mellon University UCC 214 4910 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 Phone: (412) 268-6710 Fax: (412) 621-8081 Email: info-andrew-requests@andrew.cmu.edu Requests for purchase must be accompanied by a check made out to Carnegie Mellon University, in U.S. dollars, before shipment will be made. For documentation on Andrew, requests may be made to Information Requests to the above address. * Add $7.00 for shipment within the US by Airborne Add $17.00 for shipment outside the US at standard bookrate Add $27.00 for shipment outside the US by Airborne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CDROM Order Form Name _________________________________________________ Company _________________________________________________ Address _________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ Phone ______________________Fax: _______________________ Email _________________________________________________ PLEASE CALL (412)268-6710 OR FAX (412) 621-8081 IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS \enddata{text822, 133551} \begindata{text822, 138686} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 38;andrew.cmu.edu;Susan Straub Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:23:30 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Straub X-Andrew-Message-Size: 226+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: AFS downtime \begindata{text,539505012} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Our AFS servers are going down from 6:00 PM tonight to 10:00 AM tomorrow. Thus, our ftp machine, emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, as well as Consortium staff, will be inaccessible. Our apologies for the inconvenience. Susan \enddata{text,539505012} \enddata{text822, 138686} \begindata{text822, 140093} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 10:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 10:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wn1.sci.kun.nl by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 8 Jul 92 10:35:34 EDT Received: by wn1.sci.kun.nl (5.57/2.1) on NUNET id AA09067; Wed, 8 Jul 92 16:34:48 +0200 Received: from zeus by cs.kun.nl (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA08218; Wed, 8 Jul 92 16:34:47 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeus.cs.kun.nl.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.zeus.cs.kun.nl.sun4_41; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 16:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4eKjo1m3fW41IKfEVY@cs.kun.nl> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1992 16:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Harco de Hilster X-Andrew-Message-Size: 878+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Meta . or \(bu In-Reply-To: References: , <8eKB=70Gf03SIzXaoQ@athena.mit.edu> \begindata{text,1485920} \textdsversion{12} \template{symbol} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{italic menu:[Font~1,Italic~11] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{bold menu:[Font~1,Bold~10] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{chapter menu:[Title~3,Chapter~20] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 4]} \define{section menu:[Title~3,Section~21] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 2]} \define{subsection menu:[Title~3,Subsection~22] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{paragraph menu:[Title~3,Paragraph~23] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{bigger menu:[Font~1,Bigger~20] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 2]} \define{indent menu:[Region~4,Indent~20] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]} \define{typewriter menu:[Font~1,Typewriter~40] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{underline menu:[Font~1,Underline~41] attr:[Flags Underline Int Set]} \define{display menu:[Region~4,Display~14] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]} \define{example menu:[Region~4,Example~12] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{description menu:[Region~4,Description~11] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Indent LeftMargin Inch -32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{quotation menu:[Region~4,Quotation~10] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{subscript menu:[Font~1,Subscript~30] attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 2] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{superscript menu:[Font~1,Superscript~31] attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -6] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{smaller menu:[Font~1,Smaller~21] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{heading menu:[Title~3,Heading~11] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch -13107] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{majorheading menu:[Title~3,MajorHeading~10] attr:[Justification Centered Point 0] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 4]} \define{formatnote menu:[Region~4,FormatNote~60] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{subheading menu:[Title~3,Subheading~12] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{center menu:[Justify~2,Center~10] attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{flushleft menu:[Justify~2,FlushLeft~20] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]} \define{flushright menu:[Justify~2,FlushRight~21] attr:[Justification RightJustified Point 0]} \define{leftindent menu:[Region~4,LeftIndent~21] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{black menu:[Color,Black] attr:['color' 'Black']} \define{red menu:[Color,Red] attr:['color' 'Red']} \define{green menu:[Color,Green] attr:['color' 'Green']} \define{blue menu:[Color,Blue] attr:['color' 'Blue']} \define{magenta menu:[Color,Magenta] attr:['color' 'Magenta']} \define{cyan menu:[Color,Cyan] attr:['color' 'Cyan']} \define{yellow menu:[Color,Yellow] attr:['color' 'Yellow']} \define{firstinmin12 } \define{leftindent36 } \define{rightindent12 } Hi, I have a related question. I'am trying to convert MS-Word (Mac) files to ATK. What I'am trying now is: Word -> rtf -> atk rtf2 found in contrib/mit doesn't work at all. On all the files I tried it got stuck in a loop. (I'am not really sure about that, but when the generated file was about 14 MB I conclude that something went wrong.) What does work is the ness program fileconvert.n, but some off the translations seem wrong. When I tried to display a bullet (with compchar) , I got the same wrong character that fileconvert.n produces on the rtf code \\bullet. So maybe I have an other problem. These translations seem wrong: RTF to ATK How it looks Raw ATK ======================================= \\bullet \symbola{7} a bold 7 symbola\{7\} \\'91 \firstinmin12{\leftindent36{\rightindent12{\rightindent12{\^{}}}}} \\221 \\^\{^Q\} \\'.. .. .. .. \\- \formatnote{\\%} \\% \\formatnote\{\\\\%\} I hope someone knows what my problem can be. Thanks Harco. \enddata{text,1485920} \enddata{text822, 140093} \begindata{text822, 146807} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:12:01 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov X-Andrew-Message-Size: 124+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: alink question \begindata{text,3651784} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Is there a convenient way to import a prerecorded audio file (assuming 8-bit m-law encoded format) into an alink inset? \enddata{text,3651784} \enddata{text822, 146807} \begindata{text822, 148636} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 14:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 14:13:48 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 14:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usl.com (usl.usl.com) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 9 Jul 92 14:10:23 EDT Received: from usl.com by usl.com; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 13:58 EDT Received: by tagore.usl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02697; Thu, 9 Jul 92 14:09:26 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.tagore.usl.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.tagore.usl.com.sun4_41; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 14:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1992 14:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jishnu Mukerji Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Info-Andrew Subject: overhead/class/machdep info? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 405 Is there any documentation on what is exactly supposed to happen in the code that resides in overhead/class/machdep or the documentation consist of "Read the code that is there and figure it out"? Thanks. Jishnu Mukerji, UNIX System Laboratories Inc.*, SF 1-346, 190 River Road, Summit NJ 07901, USA. Tel: +1 908 522 5024, Email: jis@usl.com (*UNIX System Laboratories Inc. is a subsidiary of AT&T) \enddata{text822, 148636} \begindata{text822, 150571} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 18:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 18:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 9 Jul 92 18:12:50 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06683; Thu, 9 Jul 92 15:06:37 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Jul 92 21:30:46 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: overhead/class/machdep info? Message-Id: <13452@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >Is there any documentation on what is exactly supposed to happen in the >code that resides in overhead/class/machdep or the documentation >consist of "Read the code that is there and figure it out"? The documentation is, as far as I know, "read the code that is there and figure it out" (that's what I did for the SunOS 4.1[.x] version), but an extra bit of documentation follows, if you are (as I suspect) doing an SVR4 port: start with the SunOS 4.1[.x] code, which uses "dlopen()" - the main reason I did the "dlopen()" version was to make sure nobody started doing anything silly like trying to write their own run-time loader for SVR4; the only part of the SVR4 version that should be machine-dependent are the assembler-language stubs in "entry.spp"; if the processor you're using is one of the ones for which support already exists, in some form, start with it, and possibly use the SunOS 4.1[.x] versions as a guide to what you need to do to make it position-independent code, if necessary (support exists for the 386, MIPS, SPARC, 68K, HP-PA, and POWER architectures - oh, yeah, and for the VAX and ROMP, too; the MIPS support - or, rather, SPIM support :-) - was in 5.0, but seems to have disappeared from 5.1, as I don't see any "dec_mips" directories). (Now you know why I think it'd be nice to move to some scheme that *doesn't* require the assembler-language stubs, e.g., I think, OOPC or whatever it's called; it'd be lovely if there could just be an "svr4_everybody" directory in the run-time loader support, and probably an "osf1_everybody" directory as well, hopefully making that part of the port to a new platform a no-brainer.) You'll probably also have to whack on the pseudo-tty stuff, and some other such things, for SVR4. \enddata{text822, 150571} \begindata{text822, 153649} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 19:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 19:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 9 Jul 92 19:27:10 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA09420; Thu, 9 Jul 92 16:12:57 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Jul 92 23:00:10 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!usc!noiro.acs.uci.edu!gordius!gordius!johnk@ames.arc.nasa.gov (John Kalucki) Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA Subject: ATK on RiscOS 5.0? Message-Id: <1992Jul9.230010.25631@gordian.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Has anyone ported ATK to RiscOS 5.0? If so, I'd like a copy of your configuration files to look at. -John Kalucki johnk@gordian.com \enddata{text822, 153649} \begindata{text822, 155099} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 22:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 22:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carbon.chem.utah.edu by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 9 Jul 92 22:08:39 EDT Received: by carbon.chem.utah.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21961; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 20:09:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1992 20:09:27 -0600 From: dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Message-Id: <9207100209.AA21961@carbon.chem.utah.edu> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Reduce size of "help" system? The Andrew help system is an excellent way to present help information. However, it seems to be necessary to have the lib and dlib directories installed to run "help" and hence about 30 MBytes of disk space seem to be necessary to install this program. If "help" is the only program needed this seems to be extremely high. My question: Is there a way to install only help and not the complete ATK in order to save disk space? Is it possible to statically link "help" and hence to avoid having to keep all libraries around? Thanks __ _ | ) o | | | \ | | | / _ |_ _ _ _| | | | _ | |/\ /_) | ^ ^ | | _) | / | | | | | ^ ^ |_) /_) | | \_/\___|_| | |_| |_(_|__|___\_| |_/__|_|_| | |_| \_/\___| Department of Chemistry Office: (801) 581-7351 2020 Henry Eyring Building b113 Home: (801) 582-7516 University of Utah FAX: (801) 581-8433 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 dunkel@chemistry.chem.utah.edu \enddata{text822, 155099} \begindata{text822, 157248} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 00:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 00:26:19 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CANTVA.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 10 Jul 92 00:25:34 EDT Received: from cantua.canterbury.ac.nz by csc.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF #12052) id <01GM7XFHUMV4BL2JWR@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 16:25 +1200 Received: by cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26883; Fri, 10 Jul 92 16:25:16 NZS Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.cantua.canterbury.ac.nz.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.cantua.canterbury.ac.nz.sun4_41; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 16:25:15 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1992 16:25:15 +1200 (NZST) From: Jason Haar Subject: Printing problems with ATK 5.1 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1267+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Contact: phone: +64 3 642-336, fax: +64 3 642-332 Organisation: CSC, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. Hi, I'm new to the Andrew ToolKit, but so far I'm impressed :-) (BTW, anyone writt= en a real smily for MIME ;-) I've got the binary release at the moment, and have got everything working exc= ept for printing. Using ezprint in its default form produces the following error on= startup: /dir> ezprint .login Starting ezprint (Version 7.0, ATK 5.1); please wait... No /dev/cat: try -t or -a. lpr: standard input: empty input file Print request using the command: eqn -T$PRINTERTYPE /tmp/\.login\.1.n | troff -T$PRINTERTYPE - | lpr -= n probably did not complete due - returned the following error message: Error 0 Print request for .login apparently failed. True enough, doing a "troff filename" does cause the above No /dev/cat= error - is that abnormal? (we really don't use troff here for much).= BTW, how can I get ATK to output in PostScript? These on-line documents look= really cool, but I assume you'd need true PostScript to fully appreicate them. Also, preview doesn't work as well, but I think it's due to the a= bove error. Hope someone can help, this looks like an excellent package. Cheers Jason Haar, Network Consultant. PS: Please CC: me to your replies, I'm sending a "subscribe me" a= fter this message, but just in case I miss out... \enddata{text822, 157248} \begindata{text822, 160647} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 07:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 07:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 10 Jul 92 07:45:37 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via localhost.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA25628; Thu, 9 Jul 92 18:41:36 -0400 Received: from lupine.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 183948.17373; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 18:39:48 EDT Received: from matadero.noname by lupine.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06217; Thu, 9 Jul 92 15:21:56 PDT Received: by matadero.noname (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12168; Thu, 9 Jul 92 15:26:10 PDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.matadero.ncd.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.matadero.ncd.com.sun4_41; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 15:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1992 15:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Olander X-Andrew-Message-Size: 522+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: caption resources in Messages Cc: Kim Dimick , Kris Olander \begindata{text,1953744} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} There appears to be an option for setting width and the height resources of the caption section in Messages. From \italic{help/prefs.help} .. \typewriter{\smaller{folders.height:100 folders.width:550 \bold{captions.height:200} \bold{captions.width:500} bodies.height:400 bodies.width:600 }}... Now, how about foreground color and background color? It doesn't sound like it would be too difficult to make the necessary changes. Can some one point me to the appropriate files? -Kris Olander NCD Field SE, N. Cal. District support@ncd.com -and/or- kriso@ncd.com \enddata{text,1953744} \enddata{text822, 160647} \begindata{text822, 163055} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8158;andrew.cmu.edu;David Anderson Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 10:50:09 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1992 10:50:09 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: David Anderson ReSent-To: ajp@sgi.com, bb+org.itc@andrew.cmu.edu, Info-Andrew X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.comp.windows.x.announce Path: andrew.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!wupost!uwm.edu!bionet!osf.org!ellis From: ellis@osf.org Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.announce Subject: OSF Interchange & Interoperability Workshop Message-ID: <9207092111.AA22806@expo.lcs.mit.edu> Date: 9 Jul 92 21:11:29 GMT Sender: daemon@genbank.bio.net Distribution: inet Lines: 73 Approved: usenet@genbank.bio.net - ANNOUNCEMENT AND INVITATION TO AN INDUSTRY WORKSHOP - INDUSTRY WORKSHOP on Interchange and Application Interoperability OSF is undertaking a project to provide a standard architecture and API to support interchange and application interoperability across X and non-X information environments. 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No purchase orders will be accepted. \enddata{text822, 163055} \begindata{text822, 167281} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 14:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 14:47:09 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 10 Jul 92 14:45:10 EDT Received: from LAKOTA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20122; Fri, 10 Jul 92 14:44:47 EDT Received: by lakota.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06723; Fri, 10 Jul 92 14:44:41 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lakota.vax.bsd43 via MS.5.6.lakota.vax_43; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1992 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Enclosure: ---- Enclosure ---- To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Subject: Re: Reduce size of "help" system? In-Reply-To: <9207100209.AA21961@carbon.chem.utah.edu> References: <9207100209.AA21961@carbon.chem.utah.edu> At MIT, we have replicated system packs which contain most of the UNIX programs users will want. I have subsetted andrew to (for example, on the Vax BSD platform) 3.5 Meg which contains the help system, and enough of EZ to perform all formatted text operations, and basic insets like raster and EQ. Here is a shell archive that contains our cp_release script, and the lists of files it uses. You will need to review the files specified and the procedure used to make /usr/andrew to make sure it is right for you. We have a few default pieces that you may not have elected to build such as the eos stuff. So use this as a beginning, and have fun subsetting andrew into under 5 meg! -wdc ---- Enclosure ---- #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive. Remove anything before this line, then unpack # it by saving it into a file and typing "sh file". To overwrite existing # files, type "sh file -c". You can also feed this as standard input via # unshar, or by typing "sh 'cp_release' <<'END_OF_FILE' X#!/bin/csh -x X Xsetenv HT $hosttype Xsetenv FRMDIR `pwd`/../../${HT}/etc Xsetenv SRCDIR `pwd`/ X Xif ($#argv == 0) then X echo cp_release: You must specify a destination directory. X exit (-1) Xendif X Xsetenv DESTDIR $1 X Xecho First the fonts X Xcd $SRCDIR X Xtar cf - X11fonts | csh -c "(cd ${DESTDIR}; tar xpBfv -)" X Xcd $SRCDIR/bin Xmkdir $DESTDIR/bin X Xecho now the bin contents X Xtar cf - runapp convertraster ez2ascii ez2ps ezpostprocess datapros ahelp ezcomp indexpro ezv | csh -c "(cd ${DESTDIR}/bin; tar xpBfv -)" X Xcd $DESTDIR/bin X Xforeach foo (bush eos grade ez help table eq raster datacat ezprint preview ezviewer) X ln -s runapp $foo Xend X Xecho making directories X Xcd .. Xmkdir lib Xmkdir etc Xmkdir help Xmkdir dlib Xcd dlib Xmkdir atk X Xecho installing dlib X Xcd $SRCDIR/dlib/atk Xforeach foo (`cat $FRMDIR/release.dlib`) X echo $foo X cp -p $foo $DESTDIR/dlib/atk/$foo Xend X X# Special case install dpstextv.do on decmips and rsaix platforms only. X Xif (($HT == 'decmips') || ($HT == 'rsaix')) then X echo "Lucky You! Postscript display from dpstextv.do" X cp -p dpstextv.do $DESTDIR/dlib/atk/dpstextv.do Xendif X Xecho indexing dlib Xcd $DESTDIR/dlib/atk X$SRCDIR/bin/doindex *.do X Xcd $SRCDIR/lib X Xecho installing lib X Xset olibs= Xif ($HT == 'rsaix' ) set olibs=libclass.a Xtar cfh - tmac tpls xicons compchar $olibs | csh -c "(cd ${DESTDIR}/lib; tar xpBfv -)" X Xcd $DESTDIR/lib Xln -s tpls templates X X# this is the common lib Xcd $SRCDIR/../lib X X# As of 1 April 1992, the following files are overwritten X# by a make install in mit_rel: X# athena.atkinit X# AndrewSetup X Xforeach foo (athena.eosinit athena.ezinit atkvers.num \ X files.init global.ezinit global.prf gnu.init specials.init) X echo $foo X cp -p $foo $DESTDIR/lib/$foo Xend X Xecho installing etc X Xcd $SRCDIR/etc Xcp -p mkindex $DESTDIR/etc X Xecho installing help X Xcd $SRCDIR/help Xforeach foo (`cat $FRMDIR/release.helps`) X echo $foo X cp -p $foo $DESTDIR/help/$foo Xend X END_OF_FILE if test 1926 -ne `wc -c <'cp_release'`; then echo shar: \"'cp_release'\" unpacked with wrong size! fi chmod +x 'cp_release' # end of 'cp_release' fi if test -f 'release.dlib' -a "${1}" != "-c" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \"'release.dlib'\" else echo shar: Extracting \"'release.dlib'\" \(1124 characters\) sed "s/^X//" >'release.dlib' <<'END_OF_FILE' Xapt.do Xapts.do Xaptv.do Xbe1be2.do Xblank.do Xbp.do Xbpv.do Xbush.do Xbushapp.do Xbushv.do Xcheckv.do Xclock.do Xclockv.do Xcltextv.do Xcompat.do Xcompchar.do Xcontent.do Xcontentv.do Xctext.do Xctextv.do Xdataprosa.do Xdeskey.do Xdired.do Xdiredv.do Xeframe.do Xeos.do Xeosapp.do Xeosbutt.do Xeosfx.do Xeq.do Xeqv.do Xezdiff.do Xezprinta.do Xezviewa.do Xezviewer.do Xfnote.do Xfnotev.do Xglist.do Xgradeapp.do Xgsearch.do Xhash.do Xheader.do Xheadrtv.do Xheximage.do Xhelp.do Xhelpa.do Xhelpdb.do Xicon.do Xiconview.do Xisearch.do Xlink.do Xlinkv.do Xlist.do Xlookz.do Xlookzv.do Xlprruler.do Xlprrulv.do Xmetax.do Xnewbttnv.do Xnote.do Xnoteview.do Xoldrf.do Xonoffv.do Xpaint.do Xpanel.do Xpapers.do Xpcompch.do Xpickup.do Xpixelimg.do Xplusspc.do Xpopts.do Xpreview.do Xpreviewa.do Xprint.do Xps.do Xpshbttn.do Xpshbttnv.do Xpsview.do Xraster.do Xrasterio.do Xrasterv.do Xrastimg.do Xrofftext.do Xspell.do Xspread.do Xstrinput.do Xstrtbl.do Xstrtblv.do Xsuite.do Xsuiteev.do Xtable.do Xtabrulv.do Xtextref.do Xtextrefv.do Xtexttag.do Xtexttagv.do Xtimeoday.do Xtimeodayv.do Xtindex.do Xtree.do Xtreev.do Xturnin.do Xtxttroff.do Xupdateq.do Xvalue.do Xvaluev.do Xvector.do Xvutils.do Xwritestmp.do Xwritestmpv.do Xxbm.do Xxwdio.do END_OF_FILE if test 1124 -ne `wc -c <'release.dlib'`; then echo shar: \"'release.dlib'\" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'release.dlib' fi if test -f 'release.helps' -a "${1}" != "-c" ; then echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \"'release.helps'\" else echo shar: Extracting \"'release.helps'\" \(730 characters\) sed "s/^X//" >'release.helps' <<'END_OF_FILE' Xbuffer.help Xbush.help Xclock.help Xcmenu.help Xcolor.help Xcontent.help Xconvras.help Xcpchar.help Xcrossrf.help Xctext.help Xcustomizing.ovr Xcutbuf.help Xdatacat.help Xdatapros.help Xeq.help Xeos.help Xez.help Xez2ascii.help Xez2ps.help Xezcomm.help Xezdiff.help Xezext.help Xezkeys.help Xezprint.help Xezstyle.help Xezsymbol.help Xeztroff.help Xezviewer.help Xfnote.help Xgeomtry.help Xgrade.help Xgsearch.help Xheadertxt.help Xhelp.help Xhelpkys.help Xinitfls.help Xinsets.help Xlookz.help Xmenubar.help Xmenus.help Xmetax.help Xprefs.help Xprefs.tutr Xpreview.help Xprinting.ovr Xpsinset.help Xqryrplc.help Xraster.help Xscroll.help Xsearch.help Xselect.help Xslide.help Xspell.help Xtable.help Xtext.help Xtimeday.help Xtindex.help Xtmplts.help Xtour.help Xwriting.ovr Xwrtstmp.help END_OF_FILE if test 730 -ne `wc -c <'release.helps'`; then echo shar: \"'release.helps'\" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of 'release.helps' fi echo shar: End of shell archive. exit 0 ---- Enclosure ---- \enddata{text822, 167281} \begindata{text822, 175461} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 15:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Jul 1992 15:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 10 Jul 92 15:45:36 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA20802; Fri, 10 Jul 92 12:36:25 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Jul 92 18:35:36 GMT From: nsisrv!Pt!john%hq.af.mil@ames.arc.nasa.gov (John Ryan) Organization: 7TH Communications Group Subject: Font Problems Message-Id: <2319@hq.hq.af.mil> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu -- I need better fonts for symbols cursors, etc. All I have now are alpha character and some numeric. These make a poor substitute for circles, squares and shades of grey. What am I doing wrong. Do I need to install new fonts somewhere. I some path variable set up wrong? Does anyone else have this problem? is it a FAQ? Thanks in advance ------- John Ryan john@hq.af.mil ..uunet!hq!john \enddata{text822, 175461} \begindata{text822, 177131} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 10:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 10:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 13 Jul 92 10:34:27 EDT Received: from RALVM12 by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3970; Mon, 13 Jul 92 10:33:43 EDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 10:27:18 EDT From: ave@vnet.ibm.com To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Almost there - trouble with fonts I discovered your CDROM binaries and I think they are great! I was able to install the ATK software in no time at all. However, I cannot get the fonts to work correctly. I installed ATK R5 on an AIX 3.2 workstation. Looking in the /usr/andrew/X11fonts directory, I see all the fonts a .pcf. From previous installations, I remember these files being .snf. I borrowed some .snf files from Dartmouth's ATK R4 and I just can't get X to recognize those fonts. I added /usr/andrew/X11fonts to my fontpath with the 'xset +fp' command. Any idea what step I am missing? Thanks in advance. - Anthony (formerly known as tobeye@northstar.dartmouth.edu) P.S. Please reply to this user id (which should be ave@vnet.ibm.com) since I do not presently have access to the info-andrew bulletin board. \enddata{text822, 177131} \begindata{text822, 178943} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:37:01 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , ave@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: Almost there - trouble with fonts In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from mail: 13-Jul-92 Almost there - trouble with.. ave@vnet.ibm.com (796) > I discovered your CDROM binaries and I think they are great! I was able > to install the ATK software in no time at all. However, I cannot get > the fonts to work correctly. I installed ATK R5 on an AIX 3.2 > workstation. Looking in the /usr/andrew/X11fonts directory, I see all > the fonts a .pcf. From previous installations, I remember these files > being .snf. I borrowed some .snf files from Dartmouth's ATK R4 and I > just can't get X to recognize those fonts. The CDROM release assumes you're using the X11R5 font server, which expects to see compiled fonts in the architecture-independent ".pcf" form. If you elect to use Standard Normal Form (.snf) compiled fonts from earlier X11 releases, you'll need to copy over the .snf-compatible versions of "/usr/andrew/X11fonts/[fonts.alias, fonts.dir]", as well. -Bob \enddata{text822, 178943} \begindata{text822, 181633} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:04:26 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: caption resources in Messages CC: Kim Dimick , Kris Olander In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 9-Jul-92 caption resources in Messages Kris Olander@uunet.UU.NE (522+0) > From help/prefs.help > .. > folders.height:100 > folders.width:550 > captions.height:200 > captions.width:500 > bodies.height:400 > bodies.width:600 > ... > Now, how about foreground color and background color? > It doesn't sound like it would be too difficult to make the necessary > changes. Can some one point me to the appropriate files? You could try looking in: andrew/atkams/messages/lib/{ams,captions}.c (possibly others) It looks like a reasonable strategy would be to have ams_InstallInNewWindow take a foreground and background color. Then before creating the new window save the old default foreground and background (graphic_GetDefaultColors), and then SetDefaultColors. Then after you create the new window reset the default colors. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 181633} \begindata{text822, 183825} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1516+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Printing problems with ATK 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,18999156} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{bold menu:[Font~1,Bold~10] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 10-Jul-92 Printing problems with ATK 5.1 Jason Haar@cantua.canter (1267+0)} \quotation{Hi, } \quotation{I'm new to the Andrew ToolKit, but so far I'm impressed :-) (BTW, anyone written a \bold{real} smily for \bold{MIME} ;-) } \quotation{I've got the binary release at the moment, and have got everything working except for printing. } \quotation{Using \bold{ezprint} in its default form produces the following error on startup: } \quotation{/dir> ezprint .login }\quotation{Starting ezprint (Version 7.0, ATK 5.1); please wait... }\quotation{No /dev/cat: try -t or -a. }\quotation{lpr: standard input: empty input file }\quotation{Print request using the command: }\quotation{ eqn -T$PRINTERTYPE /tmp/\\.login\\.1.n | troff -T$PRINTERTYPE - | lpr -n }\quotation{probably did not complete due - returned the }\quotation{following error message: }\quotation{ Error 0 }\quotation{Print request for .login apparently failed. } This sounds indicative of using the original troff intended for the CAT phototypesetter instead of ditroff. (ditroff is from adobe, I believe there is a contact address in the faq) Aside from paying Adobe money you have two choices to enable printing with ATK. 1. psroff (which converts the output from troff -t to postscript, and/or dvi?) 2. groff a troff look alike from GNU folks. (available in most of the usual places, requires g++, or gcc 2.0+) I recently got groff up and running with ATK on an HP 9000/845 fairly smoothly. The main problems were bugs in gcc 2.0+ code generation. These were avoided by an HP PA RISC specific patch, and disabling optimization. Hope this helps, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,18999156} \enddata{text822, 183825} \begindata{text822, 186965} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 675+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Meta . or \(bu In-Reply-To: <4eKjo1m3fW41IKfEVY@cs.kun.nl> References: , <8eKB=70Gf03SIzXaoQ@athena.mit.edu> <4eKjo1m3fW41IKfEVY@cs.kun.nl> \begindata{text,18999156} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{formatnote menu:[Region~4,FormatNote~60] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{symbola attr:[FontFamily Symbola Int 0]} \define{firstinmin12 } \define{leftindent36 } \define{rightindent12 } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Jul-92 Re: Meta . or \\(bu Harco de Hilster@cs.kun. (878+0)} \quotation{RTF to ATK How it looks Raw ATK }\quotation{======================================= }\quotation{\\bullet \symbola{7} a bold 7 symbola\{7\} }\quotation{\\'91 \firstinmin12{\leftindent36{\rightindent12{\rightindent12{\^{}}}}} \\221 \\^\{^Q\} }\quotation{\\'.. .. .. .. }\quotation{\\- \formatnote{\\%} \\% \\formatnote\{\\\\%\} } Does the above mean that the to ATK column displays a bold 7 for \\bullet? If so this sounds like a template problem. You might try explicitly adding the symbol template to the file. ("Add Template" on the file menu). (BTW the to ATK column for bullet looks like a bullect for me...) I'm not sure about the other characters... I'm not at all familiar with RTF. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,18999156} \enddata{text822, 186965} \begindata{text822, 189443} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:13:18 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Flames. In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 6-Jul-92 Flames. Andy Whitcroft@cs.city.a (480+0) > Has anyone got round to writing a Flames Builder application? We are > thinking of introducing messages as the standard mail reader (for those > requiring GUI's) however it is a little hard to explain the format. It > is especially difficult as messages is mouse oriented otherwise. No, at least I haven't heard of any unfortunately. Sorry, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 189443} \begindata{text822, 191100} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 12:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 12:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 14 Jul 92 12:19:39 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27472; Tue, 14 Jul 92 09:04:56 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Jul 92 15:37:52 GMT From: ad2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alon Dominitz) Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: bibliography conversion Message-Id: <4eMjHEm00Uh742wFxb@andrew.cmu.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Does anyone know of a utility or script (or anything!) that will allow me to convert BibTex files to Scribe bib files and vice versa? While I'm at it, are there other bibliography programs I am not aware of that people use out there? ---------------------------------------------------------- Alon Dominitz ad2k@andrew.cmu.edu (summer '92) a.domini@marvin.cooper.edu (school year) \enddata{text822, 191100} \begindata{text822, 192753} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 18:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 18:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 14 Jul 92 18:05:20 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA12979; Tue, 14 Jul 92 14:51:39 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Jul 92 22:38:29 GMT From: pmafire!boojum!boojum!roberts@uunet.uu.net (Doug Roberts) Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7 Subject: Ez printing w/ .m1, .m2, .m3, & .m4 -me macros Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi. It seems that including the above-named -me header and footer positioning macros as a formatnote region has no effect when attempting to print through groff to a postscript printer. Something in the ezprint troff formater apparently is overriding the -me macros. Can anyone supply a work-around? Thanks, --Doug -- ================================================================== Douglas Roberts | Los Alamos National Laboratory | All good work is done in defiance dzzr@lanl.gov | of management. -- Bob Woodward (505)667-4569 | ================================================================== \enddata{text822, 192753} \begindata{text822, 194737} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 18:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 18:45:56 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 18:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CANTVA.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 14 Jul 92 18:28:45 EDT Received: from cantua.canterbury.ac.nz by csc.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF #12052) id <01GMEKFP2CDSBL3W5G@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 10:28 +1200 Received: by cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12940; Wed, 15 Jul 92 10:28:21 NZS Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.cantua.canterbury.ac.nz.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.cantua.canterbury.ac.nz.sun4_41; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 10:28:21 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 10:28:21 +1200 (NZST) From: Jason Haar Subject: Conversion between Sun mail and Andrew To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Message-Id: <8eMpI5S4hFs2BCxoow@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> X-Envelope-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Andrew-Message-Size: 427+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Contact: phone: +64 3 642-336, fax: +64 3 642-332 Organisation: CSC, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. Hi, As I'm new, I hope you'll forgive me if this is a FAQ - I'm sure it should be.= Has anyone written something to convert Sun mail folders/messages into AMS fo= rmat? You know how it is, user X has been using mail/mailtool/pine/... for ag= es, and now want to change to messages, but wants to take all he= r mail with her - can it be done? (other than by resending ever piece of Email= ). Cheers Jason Haar, Network Consultant \enddata{text822, 194737} \begindata{text822, 197142} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 03:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 03:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wn1.sci.kun.nl by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 15 Jul 92 03:16:42 EDT Received: by wn1.sci.kun.nl (5.57/2.1) on NUNET id AA08460; Wed, 15 Jul 92 09:18:48 +0200 Received: from zeus by cs.kun.nl (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA05029; Wed, 15 Jul 92 09:18:45 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeus.cs.kun.nl.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.zeus.cs.kun.nl.sun4_41; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 09:18:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 09:18:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Harco de Hilster X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1524+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, j.haar@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: Conversion between Sun mail and Andrew In-Reply-To: <8eMpI5S4hFs2BCxoow@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> References: <8eMpI5S4hFs2BCxoow@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> \begindata{text,1596208} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Hi, Here is an abstract of two answers to a similar question. \quotation{\bold{Subject}: Re: Mail conversion from Xmh to Messages There's a tool floating around to do this. AMS-format folders are something like the following, in a directory: a .MS_MsgDir file a bunch of files with names beginning with the '+' character The names can be arbitrary other than the leading character. The simplest way to create a folder from a directory (say, /blah) is like this: % mkdir ~/.MESSAGES/blah % touch ~/.MESSAGES/blah/.MS_MsgDir % cd /blah % foreach foo (*) ? cp $foo ~/.MESSAGES/+$\{foo\} ? end % cui CUI> reconstruct ~/.MESSAGES/blah CUI> rebuild CUI> quit % Give it a shot. Craig } \quotation{\bold{Subject}: Re: Mail conversion from Xmh to Messages \bold{Cc}: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Actually, Craig's solution can be simplified considerably: That will work, but instead you can "simply" do this: % cui create blah ~/.MESSAGES\\; quit % cp Mail/blah/* ~/.MESSAGES/blah % cui reconstruct blah 1 \\; quit Note that the files do NOT need to start with + -- the reconstruction will rename them to take care of that. Also, using the "create" command not only saves a step at the beginning, it makes the "rebuild" step at the end unnecessary. -- Nathaniel } There is also an utility called eatmail that converts the /var/spool/mail format to individual messages. eatmail [-l logfile] [spoolfile] [mailboxfile] e.q. eatmail mbox ~/.MESSAGES/mail/oldmail Make a copy of your mailfile, because eatmail really \bold{eats} your mail. Good luck, Harco.\ \enddata{text,1596208} \enddata{text822, 197142} \begindata{text822, 200385} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 09:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 09:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 15 Jul 92 09:52:47 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13027; Wed, 15 Jul 92 06:49:54 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Jul 92 08:49:11 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: Using psroff to print ATK Message-Id: <1992Jul15.084911.15866@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm working on getting the system to print ATK files using Chris Lewis' psroff since I don't have a ditroff. Has anybody else out there done this? Any tips? Up to now I have gotten some positive results, but I would like to know if using psroff will limit me somehow. Thanks. Matthew Wyneken ------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de W - 7800 Freiburg | Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | \enddata{text822, 200385} \begindata{text822, 202617} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 09:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 09:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 15 Jul 92 09:52:38 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA12839; Wed, 15 Jul 92 06:45:21 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Jul 92 08:45:29 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: Problem with ezprint Message-Id: <1992Jul15.084529.15779@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In the course of trying to get the system to print ATK formatted files I have run into the following problem: supreme 42 # ezprint -t ToDo > ezp.tmp Starting ezprint (Version 7.0, ATK 5.1); please wait... Malloc arena corruption discovered at - fr Abort (core dumped) Ezprint works for text objects but ToDo is an org file. I assume that ezprint tries to produce Postscript for orgs and that this has something to do with why it dies in this case. Oh yeah, in case it's not obvious from the error message, ATK is using the Andrew malloc. Matthew Wyneken ------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de W - 7800 Freiburg | Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | \enddata{text822, 202617} \begindata{text822, 205107} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 13:41:52 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 15 Jul 1992 13:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 13:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 530+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Problem with ezprint In-Reply-To: <1992Jul15.084529.15779@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <1992Jul15.084529.15779@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> \begindata{text,538681536} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Jul-92 Problem with ezprint Matthew Wyneken@ucbvax.B (1065)} \quotation{supreme 42 # ezprint -t ToDo > ezp.tmp }\quotation{Starting ezprint (Version 7.0, ATK 5.1); please wait... }\quotation{Malloc arena corruption discovered at - fr }\quotation{Abort (core dumped) } \quotation{Ezprint works for text objects but ToDo is an org file. }\quotation{I assume that ezprint tries to produce Postscript for }\quotation{orgs and that this has something to do with why it dies }\quotation{in this case.} This is a known bug in the org printing method. I'll try to track it down. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538681536} \enddata{text822, 205107} \begindata{text822, 207071} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 04:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 04:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr ([143.233.2.1]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 16 Jul 92 04:37:49 EDT Received: by leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr id AA18583 (5.65c/ARIADNET.4.1 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Thu, 16 Jul 1992 11:32:20 +0300 From: TECHNISYSTEMS LTD Message-Id: <199207160832.AA18583@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr> Organization: NETWORK ARIADNE , NCSR DEMOCRITOS Subject: EZ to LaTeX To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 11:32:18 EET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3e PL11] Please, inform us if you know a way to convert EZ format to LaTex. Thank you, Nikos Parthenios e-mail: techsys@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr \enddata{text822, 207071} \begindata{text822, 208380} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 12:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 12:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 16 Jul 92 12:53:32 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA15017; Thu, 16 Jul 92 09:39:07 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Jul 92 16:29:26 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!datri@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Scrollbar colors are still screwy Message-Id: <1992Jul16.162926.8155@news.eng.convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've got 5.1 built on a Sun 4/75 running SunOS 4.1.1 with Sun's cc. The scrollbar colors in messages are still screwy -- they seem to be okay until the scrollbars change, at which point the elevator turns completely yellow. I'm not specifying yellow as the color for any part. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 208380} \begindata{text822, 210091} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usl.com (usl.usl.com) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 17 Jul 92 11:30:26 EDT Received: from usl.com by usl.com; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:16 EDT Received: by tagore.usl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00819; Fri, 17 Jul 92 11:30:23 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.tagore.usl.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.tagore.usl.com.sun4_41; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jishnu Mukerji X-Andrew-Message-Size: 531+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Info-Andrew Subject: Fonts used by preview? Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 956 How does preview decide what font to use and where does it get the fonts from?= I tried to use preview in the latest release on a Sparcstation ELC running S= unOS4.1.1 using the Openwindows 2.0 X server, and got an almost unreadable fon= t. Is there an easy way to fix this. Oh, and it also complained about: Incompatible version of scroll requested from scroll! Thanks.
Jishnu Mukerji, Rm. SF A-121, UNIX System Laboratories Inc. (A subsidiary of AT&T)<= nl> 190 River Rd., Summit NJ 07901, U. S. A. jis@usl.com, +1 908 522 5024,
\enddata{text822, 210091} \begindata{text822, 212645} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1262+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Fonts used by preview? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,19431956} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jul-92 Fonts used by preview? Jishnu Mukerji@usl.com (531+0)} \quotation{How does preview decide what font to use and where does it get the fonts from? I tried to use preview in the latest release on a Sparcstation ELC running SunOS4.1.1 using the Openwindows 2.0 X server, and got an almost unreadable font.} Preview maps the printer fonts to standard X font families (times, helvetica, courier) The best you can do probably is to use the Full Scale menu option. Unfortunately preview output never looks very good. The biggest problem being that the metrics used by troff for positioning the characters are of course based on the expected printer fonts, not the display fonts the X server provides. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jul-92 Fonts used by preview? Jishnu Mukerji@usl.com (531+0)} \quotation{Oh, and it also complained about: } \quotation{ Incompatible version of scroll requested from scroll! } This certainly shouldn't happen, it usually indicates that part of the system (preview in this case) was compiled with header files which don't match the versions used to compile another part (in this case, scroll). Is this 5.1? Did you compile it from scratch? Use the binary distribution? -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,19431956} \enddata{text822, 212645} \begindata{text822, 215279} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 927+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Scrollbar colors are still screwy In-Reply-To: <1992Jul16.162926.8155@news.eng.convex.com> References: <1992Jul16.162926.8155@news.eng.convex.com> \begindata{text,19431956} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 16-Jul-92 Scrollbar colors are still .. Anthony A. Datri@ames.ar (359)} \quotation{I've got 5.1 built on a Sun 4/75 running SunOS 4.1.1 with Sun's cc. The scrollbar colors in messages are still screwy -- they seem to be okay until the scrollbars change, at which point the elevator turns completely yellow.} I can think of a couple possible causes for this. First is that the X server is returning failure on ATK's attempt to allocate some color, and broken ATK code ends up substituting the pixel value for yellow. Second is memory corruption. Did you compile with the Andrew Malloc package? (This could be a cause or a cure...) The next release will have better error reporting when color allocation fails. If you are interested in tracking down this bug, send me mail and I can give you some tips on what to look for and where. Sorry I can't be more help, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,19431956} \enddata{text822, 215279} \begindata{text822, 217568} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 18:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 18:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 17 Jul 92 18:19:20 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA24696; Fri, 17 Jul 92 15:12:37 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Jul 92 20:51:59 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Re: Scrollbar colors are still screwy Message-Id: <1992Jul17.205159.9997@news.eng.convex.com> References: <1992Jul16.162926.8155@news.eng.convex.com>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >broken ATK code ends up substituting the pixel value for yellow. Second >is memory corruption. Did you compile with the Andrew Malloc package? allsys.h seems to turn it on by default, and I didn't turn it off. Oddly enough, today it's black. Messages exhibits the behavior, but not sendmessage. I've got a bunch of colormap cells allocated due to some indulgent interpolated twm menus, but there are plenty free. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 217568} \begindata{text822, 219549} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 04:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 04:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 20 Jul 92 04:37:27 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA15466; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:30:40 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Jul 92 08:54:26 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!news.belwue.de!eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de!nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de!root@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Z. Horvat) Organization: Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz Subject: Running Metamail as root Message-Id: <1992Jul20.085426.150171@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I4m often running messages from my root account, which sometimes needs to invoke metamail. To successfully run metamail from a root account the command line switch "-r" is needed, which is not passed by messages. The result is, that instead of a message a pushbutton appears, indicating the content-type of the message. Would some kind soul please enlighten me how to either make messages passing the "-r" parameter or making metamail assume the "-r" switch was set. I could not find anything in the documentation. Thanks in advance, ------------------------------------ Z. Horvat Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz 7750 Konstanz +49(0)7531-88-2405 root@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de ------------------------------------ \enddata{text822, 219549} \begindata{text822, 221740} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1181+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root CC: Nathaniel Borenstein In-Reply-To: <1992Jul20.085426.150171@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> References: <1992Jul20.085426.150171@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> \begindata{text,539037172} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 20-Jul-92 Running Metamail as root Z. Horvat@ames.arc.nasa. (748)} \quotation{I4m often running messages from my root account, which sometimes }\quotation{needs to invoke metamail. To successfully run metamail from a }\quotation{root account the command line switch "-r" is needed, which is not }\quotation{passed by messages. The result is, that instead of a message a pushbutton }\quotation{appears, indicating the content-type of the message. } \quotation{Would some kind soul please enlighten me how to either make messages }\quotation{passing the "-r" parameter or making metamail assume the "-r" switch }\quotation{was set. I could not find anything in the documentation.} Can you recompile from the sources or are you using the binary distribtion? If you're using the binaries from the CDROM release, you can fake a private version of metamail as a script and have it call the real metamail with the -r switch. If you have access to the sources you could edit: andrew/atkams/messages/lib/mailobj.c andrew/ams/msclients/vui/vuipnl.c andrew/ams/msclients/cui/cui.c ... and manually add the switch. I don't know the consequences of doing this but I couldn't CC: this message to the info-metmail list for some reason. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539037172} \enddata{text822, 221740} \begindata{text822, 224426} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 21 Jul 92 01:23:43 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29052; Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:12:30 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Jul 92 05:04:15 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!xenitec!vances@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Shipley) Organization: SwitchView Inc., Waterloo, Ontario Subject: Andrew on SCO? Message-Id: <1992Jul21.050415.1427@xenitec.on.ca> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'd like to get in on the fun but all I have are all these PC's running SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) stuff. I'd like to get andrew going on a 486 running ODT V2.0. What advice could anyone offer me? -- Vance Shipley vances@xenitec.on.ca vances@ltg.uucp ..uunet.ca!xenitec!vances \enddata{text822, 224426} \begindata{text822, 226043} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 579+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew on SCO? In-Reply-To: <1992Jul21.050415.1427@xenitec.on.ca> References: <1992Jul21.050415.1427@xenitec.on.ca> \begindata{text,539037172} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 21-Jul-92 Andrew on SCO? Vance Shipley@ucbvax.Ber (287)} \quotation{I'd like to get in on the fun but all I have are all these PC's }\quotation{running SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) stuff. I'd like to get andrew }\quotation{going on a 486 running ODT V2.0. What advice could anyone offer me? } We provide "nominal" support for SCO UNIX. That means that the code is suppose to work w/SCO, but we don't have a 386 box installed with ODT, so we haven't been able to confirm or deny that it does work. This is on our ToDo list but I don't think that it's near the top. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539037172} \enddata{text822, 226043} \begindata{text822, 227965} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:11:07 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA15761; Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:05:25 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 03:26:55 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? Message-Id: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu The standard 5.1 build seems to want to install ".snf" and maybe ".pcf" fonts in "$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts", but wants to install X11/NeWS server fonts in "$ANDREWDIR/Xnewsfonts". Unfortunately, the standard 5.1 "xim.c" wants to add "$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts", but not "$ANDREWDIR/Xnewsfonts", to the font path. This means that, by default, ATK applications don't get Andrew fonts when fired up against an Open Windows server. Is there any reason why the X11/NeWS server fonts shouldn't go into "$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts" as well? (That was how I fixed the problem here.) Changing "xim.c" to add "$ANDREWDIR/Xnewsfonts" if built for OW would make it less likely that the binaries would run against another server, so I don't think *that's* the right solution. \enddata{text822, 227965} \begindata{text822, 230014} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:11:02 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA15770; Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:05:34 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 04:00:46 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: "tm" template doesn't set fixed 8-character tab ruler Message-Id: <13654@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu "tm" gives really odd tabs. The reason appears to be that its style template file doesn't set the "TabsCharacters" flag, which appears to make tab stops every N positions, rather than a variable tab ruler - is the New World Order of ATK tabs documented anywhere? In any case, here's a patch to "contrib/tm/tm.tpl": *** tm.tpl.dist Thu Jan 23 12:18:47 1992 --- tm.tpl Tue Jul 21 20:57:29 1992 *************** *** 12,17 **** --- 12,18 ---- attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[LeftMargin LeftEdge Int 16] attr:[Indent LeftMargin Int -16] + attr:[Flags TabsCharacters Int Set] attr:[Flags ContinueIndent Int Set] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \enddata{text822, 230014} \begindata{text822, 232007} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:25:41 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17896; Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:21:09 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 05:13:05 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!datri@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? Message-Id: <1992Jul22.051305.27088@news.eng.convex.com> References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu When I built 5.1, the install didn't create a fonts.dir in X11fonts -- I had to copy in the 5.0 one manually. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 232007} \begindata{text822, 233623} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for gk5g+; Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:01:21 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:01:18 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:01:16 EDT Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8ePIs=W0M2Yt1TZRoy@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:01:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <1992Jul20.085426.150171@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Well, there was a concern that running metamail as root could lead to unanticipated security problems via the mailcap file, but so far I don't really know of any way for that to happen, and I'm thinking of getting rid of this feature in future versions anyway. I see no real harm in Gary's suggestion. -- NB \enddata{text822, 233623} \begindata{text822, 235526} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.att.com (att-out.att.com) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:14:43 EDT From: mtgzfs3!mtgzy!leeper@mtgzy.att.com Received: from mtgz055.gazelle.att.com by mtgzfs3.att.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02408; Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:54:50 EDT Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mtgz055.gazelle.att.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.mtgz055.gazelle.att.com.sun4_41; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Original-From: M R Leeper To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root Cc: Gary Keim , Nathaniel Borenstein , J D Palframan In-Reply-To: <8ePIs=W0M2Yt1TZRoy@thumper.bellcore.com> References: <1992Jul20.085426.150171@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> <8ePIs=W0M2Yt1TZRoy@thumper.bellcore.com> There are apparently two standard underlying mailers, sendmail and UPAS. We are converting from sendmail to UPAS where I am and are replacing sendmail with a wraparound to UPAS. What I have discovered looking at our AMS code is that AMS does not call sendmail directly but seems to have its own sendmail that calls on primatives more deeply embedded. Most of our mailers work fine with the substitution described above. AMS does not. It gives an error when I try to send mail. Is there a version of AMS that uses UPAS? Can AMS be converted to work with UPAS? Any thoughts? Mark R. Leeper leeper@mtgzy.att.com, +1 908 957 5619 AT&T Bell Laboratories, MT 3D-441, 200 Laurel Ave, Middletown, NJ 07748 \enddata{text822, 235526} \begindata{text822, 238037} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> I've always wondered whether there was any reason *to* install OW fonts in a separate directory. Keeping separate font directories means you somehow need to make ATK recognize multiple font paths in order to run in a mixed environment of MIT/MOTIF and OW users. Its much simpler to lump all fonts into a single directory, letting the respective font extensions distinguish OW, BDF, and MIT/MOTIF fonts. But then the name "X11fonts" becomes a misnomer--oh well, better poorly named than disfunctional. \enddata{text822, 238037} \begindata{text822, 240300} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from piglet.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.piglet.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.piglet.transarc.com.pmax_3; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 771+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , leeper@mtgzy.att.com Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root CC: Gary Keim , Nathaniel Borenstein , J D Palframan In-Reply-To: References: <1992Jul20.085426.150171@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> <8ePIs=W0M2Yt1TZRoy@thumper.bellcore.com> \begindata{text,19068060} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} AMS indeed calls sendmail directly. Are you sidetracked by the thing installed from ams/delivery/sendmail? That's just a cover program intended to catch references to UCB-style sendmail when AMDS has been installed. Non-AMDS AMS pipes mail to the OldSendmailProgram string variable contents, which is initialized to /usr/lib/sendmail in the non-AMDS case and is expected to behave like UCB-style sendmail. You can change the string variable OldSendmailProgram via AndrewSetup and have it point to a UPAS wrapper. To the extent that you've already done this via /usr/lib/sendmail, perhaps AMS uses a sendmail option that your wrapper doesn't expect. You can find those options given by overhead/mail/lib/dropoff.c . Hope that this speaks to your concerns. Craig \enddata{text,19068060} \enddata{text822, 240300} \begindata{text822, 242702} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 838+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,271099932} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} In a recent pass over xim.c I changed it to accept a preference and an environment variable to determine what font path to add. (This still isn't quite right, really the "right" way is for the normal X, or OW, startup sequence to add the appropriate paths I think...) You can also use the preference or environment variable to disable xim's attempt to set the fontpath. There are a couple reasons not to put different types of fonts in one dir... 1. If both formats require a fonts.dir, which one do you use? Will it be compatible with the other? 2. Some mkfontdir implementations get confused by extraneous files. 3. Sometimes different formats have the same extensions. (For example as near as I can tell MIT R5 pcf fonts work with DEC R4 servers, but not vice-versa. Both use a .pcf extension) -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,271099932} \enddata{text822, 242702} \begindata{text822, 244916} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 484+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: "tm" template doesn't set fixed 8-character tab ruler In-Reply-To: <13654@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <13654@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,271099932} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 "tm" template doesn't set f.. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (705)} \quotation{"tm" gives really odd tabs. The reason appears to be that its style template file doesn't set the "TabsCharacters" flag, which appears to make tab stops every N positions, rather than a variable tab ruler - is the New World Order of ATK tabs documented anywhere? } Sorry, I'm afraid not. I made the change to tm.tpl you suggested. Thanks, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,271099932} \enddata{text822, 244916} \begindata{text822, 247104} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:42:31 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:41:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 761+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,539037172} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (506*)} \quotation{I've always wondered whether there was any reason *to* install OW fonts }\quotation{in a separate directory. Keeping separate font directories means you }\quotation{somehow need to make ATK recognize multiple font paths in order to run }\quotation{in a mixed environment of MIT/MOTIF and OW users. Its much simpler to }\quotation{lump all fonts into a single directory, letting the respective font }\quotation{extensions distinguish OW, BDF, and MIT/MOTIF fonts. } As Rob already pointed out, you can't mix and match different font formats in the same directory. \typewriter{Mkfontdir} croaks on this. I'd rather see multiple font diretories but leave it to the user to \typewriter{xset fp} correctly in their startup files. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539037172} \enddata{text822, 247104} \begindata{text822, 249367} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:53:29 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA09500; Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:38:33 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 16:26:45 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!datri@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? Message-Id: <1992Jul22.162645.23433@news.eng.convex.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >environment variable to determine what font path to add. (This still >isn't quite right, really the "right" way is for the normal X, or OW, >startup sequence to add the appropriate paths I think...) The ATK programs are kind of unique in adding things to the server's font path. >There are a couple reasons not to put different types of fonts in one dir... >1. If both formats require a fonts.dir, which one do you use? Will it >be compatible with the other? I don't think this is a problem for the case of X11R5 and Sun's OW -- the two don't seem to filename-conflict -- but I can understand the danger of precedent. >2. Some mkfontdir implementations get confused by extraneous files. I can't remember which it was, but I swear that I've seen one that removes everything in the destination directory. I'll vote for letting the user set her font path manually as desired. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 249367} \begindata{text822, 251802} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:47 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> > There are a couple reasons not to put different types of fonts in one dir... > 1. If both formats require a fonts.dir, which one do you use? Will it > be compatible with the other? They don't, though--by design. OW uses a different name for fonts.alias and fonts.dir (Families.list & Synonyms.list), so as not to confuse the two font types. I believe this was done intentionally so that the two formats could not be confused. 2. Some mkfontdir implementations get confused by extraneous files. Don't know about this, except that we've never encountered a problem building OW and MIT fonts in the same directory. If mkfontdir can't distinguish font extinsions, its buggy. > 3. Sometimes different formats have the same extensions. (For example > as near as I can tell MIT R5 pcf fonts work with DEC R4 servers, but not > vice-versa. Both use a .pcf extension) This is an odd-ball case, though. Certainly you'd want to keep incompatible versions of the same font in different places. But a general-purpose Andrew preferences setting wouldn't help here, in any event. I think this kind of situation should be viewed as a site-specific X-server version-skew problem, rather than an Andrew implementation issue. The pertinent question, I think, is whether the user should be made responsible for determining what type of X server is running, or whether such low-level details should be handled by the application. I don't think one can reasonably expect users to edit a preferences file whenever they switch window managers, and I know you can't expect casual users to have the savvy to tend to such problems intuitively. From the implementor's viewpoint, its easy to make an application find the appropriate fonts: either you define multiple font paths, or you include all fonts in a common area. The current problem with Andrew, regarding font selection, is that it recognizes only a single font path pointing to a single font type--this causes obvious problems for user environments which use a mix of window managers, but which share a common Andrew DEST area. A better Andrew would be one in which xim.c handles multiple font paths, or one where OW and MIT fonts are intermixed. The latter is easier to carry out, and I believe quite acceptable as an X-server design implementation. -Bob \enddata{text822, 251802} \begindata{text822, 255956} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:22:55 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA16361; Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:16:59 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 18:48:22 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? Message-Id: <13665@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >I'd rather see multiple font diretories but leave it to the user to xset fp >correctly in their startup files. Sorry, I'm too lazy to do that. I'd rather have the computer do work for me than do work for the computer.... \enddata{text822, 255956} \begindata{text822, 257565} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:23:17 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA16352; Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:16:49 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 18:46:57 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? Message-Id: <13664@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >(This still >isn't quite right, really the "right" way is for the normal X, or OW, >startup sequence to add the appropriate paths I think...) Umm, bear in mind that somebody may not want to have separate "X" and "OW" startup sequences - i.e., I'd rather be able to run the same binaries regardless of whether I'm on a workstation running MIT X11 or OW or or an X terminal running . I.e., if OPENWINDOWS_ENV is defined, I'd want it to add both "X11fonts" *and* "Xnewsfonts" to the font path. Then add in additional options for additional font file formats supported by additional servers at various sites.... \enddata{text822, 257565} \begindata{text822, 259719} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1635+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,271099932} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (2321*)} \quotation{The pertinent question, I think, is whether the user should be made responsible for determining what type of X server is running, or whether such low-level details should be handled by the application.} My point is that font issues are probably best handled by whatever administrative support handles default X startup scripts and such. I agree that the preference and environment variables are not a good solution for many people, for myself and some others it probably is a sufficient solution though. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (2321*)} \quotation{A better Andrew would be one in which xim.c handles multiple font paths, or one where OW and MIT fonts are intermixed. The latter is easier to carry out, and I believe quite acceptable as an X-server design implementation. } In the particular case of Open Windows and MIT fonts putting everything in the same directory indeed sounds like the way to go. But I believe in general the right approach is to get ATK out of the business of font path management. In an environment with multiple conflicting and incompatible font types the only really complete solution would be to have a configuration file which mapped vendor, release, and resolution information to a font directory. (Then there are the clever NCD X terminals which have DECWINDOWS at the front of the vendor string for compatibility, so regexp matching would probably be needed.) This seems like overkill... -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,271099932} \enddata{text822, 259719} \begindata{text822, 263217} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeport.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.freeport.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1679+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,271099932} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (773)} \quotation{Umm, bear in mind that somebody may not want to have separate "X" and "OW" startup sequences} They have to be distinct at least at the point the X server is started... \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (773)} \quotation{ I'd rather be able to run the same binaries regardless of whether I'm on a workstation running MIT X11 or }\quotation{OW or or an X terminal running . } Agreed, thus I don't think having font manipulation in the binary is going to win unless it is quite sophisticated. (Either completely configurable via Yet Another Config File, or exhaustively testing attributes of the server in xim.) \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (773)} \quotation{I.e., if OPENWINDOWS_ENV is defined, I'd want it to add both "X11fonts" *and* "Xnewsfonts" to the font path. Then add in additional options for additional font file formats supported by additional servers at various sites.... } The problem is that this only works when the formats don't conflict.... Ie here at CMU I sometimes run MIT R5, sometimes DEC R4, in this particular case I can get away with using the MIT fonts, but what if the MIT fonts didn't work with DEC and vice-versa, adding both font dirs doesn't help if the wrong one is first... (and if the server isn't smart enough to skip it.) -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,271099932} \enddata{text822, 263217} \begindata{text822, 266844} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:23:02 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0312; Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:22:19 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:21:00 CDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:20:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:20:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:20:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:20:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <0ePQAME91JYfEbto1A@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:20:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1504+2 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: ez2ascii bug Cc: Bill Cattey \begindata{text,538732168} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{bits attr:[Justification Centered Point 0] attr:[FontFamily bits Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 1]} \define{red attr:['color' 'Red']} \define{orange attr:['color' 'Orange']} \define{yellow attr:['color' 'Yellow']} \define{green attr:['color' 'Green']} \define{blue attr:['color' 'Blue']} \bold{ez2ascii} sometimes does nasty things to files that DON'T happen to be datastreams. e.g. \typewriter{/tmp> \bold{cat fubar} This is a file with a backslash, yes, a \\ character, in it. It's also got a lot of other useful information in it and I wouldn't want it to go away just because this file doesn't have any styles in it. /tmp> \bold{ez2ascii fubar} This is a file with a backslash, yes, a /tmp> } \begindata{bp,538866504} \enddata{bp,538866504} \view{bpv,538866504,18,0,6}\footnote{ }For whoever fixes this: \leftindent{\italic{ez2ascii.c} is hardcoded to call UnScribeInit() \underline{with a " 12" parameter}. This seems to tell UnScribeInit that the file is going to be a datastream \underline{whether it is or not}. Suggestion: A minimal hack would be to make \italic{ez2ascii} look for a "\\begindata" at the start of a file, and assume datastream version 12 \bold{IF} it finds one. (Otherwise call it version 0, for plain text?) \smaller{\smaller{P.S. In case you were thinking "only a true dingleberry would run a plain file through \bold{ez2ascii} in the FIRST place", please note that we have a local tool that does exactly that, before sending messages to a mainframe's message server, (that's how the problem got noticed). (The whole operation was put in place long, long ago; (maybe the latest \bold{messages} can handle that by \italic{itself} now?), but I digress...) }}}\smaller{\smaller{\ \begindata{bp,539730824} \enddata{bp,539730824} \view{bpv,539730824,19,0,12} }}\smaller{\smaller{Oooh, check \italic{this} out (or just ignore the mess if you don't have a \typewriter{bits1} font at your site...). }}\bits{ \blue{ }\green{  }\yellow{ }\orange{ }\red{ } \blue{        }}\enddata{text,538732168} \enddata{text822, 266844} \begindata{text822, 271264} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:40:01 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> > The problem is that this only works when the formats don't conflict.... > Ie here at CMU I sometimes run MIT R5, sometimes DEC R4, in this > particular case I can get away with using the MIT fonts, but what if the > MIT fonts didn't work with DEC and vice-versa, adding both font dirs > doesn't help if the wrong one is first... (and if the server isn't smart > enough to skip it.) > -Rob Ryan > Andrew Consortium You could chain font paths effectively at the administrative level via .preferences if you could set a "*.fontpath", as you once could for the Andrew Window Manager. Any way to work in a user-defined X11 fontpath into xim? That would probably be the best of all worlds. -Bob \enddata{text822, 271264} \begindata{text822, 273904} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:23:45 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA00536; Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:17:19 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jul 92 23:52:50 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? Message-Id: <13685@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >> Umm, bear in mind that somebody may not want to have separate "X" and >"OW" startup sequences > >They have to be distinct at least at the point the X server is started... OK, I thought that by "startup sequence" you meant the sequence of operations performed *by the ATK code* to start up. If it's the startup sequence done by "xstart" or "openwin" or , that's OK, as long as whoever installs ATK does it, and doesn't require everybody who runs ATK to do it themselves.... \enddata{text822, 273904} \begindata{text822, 275825} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:29:48 EDT Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12154>; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:29:38 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25544>; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:29:29 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:29:14 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 307+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,3209024} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (507*)} \quotation{Its much simpler to }\quotation{lump all fonts into a single directory, letting the respective font }\quotation{extensions distinguish OW, BDF, and MIT/MOTIF fonts. } Yes, we've done that here, and it seems to work quite well. Bill \enddata{text,3209024} \enddata{text822, 275825} \begindata{text822, 277919} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:24:46 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA19853; Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:13:39 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Jul 92 08:09:04 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!news.belwue.de!eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de!nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de!root@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Z. Horvat) Organization: Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root Message-Id: <1992Jul23.080904.163654@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Many thanks to the person who suggested either to modify the sources or to build a fake shellscript around metamail. Sorry, i can`t remember his name. Now it works as expected. One thing makes me still wonder. The pushbutton is still there, in many messages, even in messages i have written myself. I keep them in a folder named "ougoing". Selecting this folder often shows these messages with just a push button in them, which i have to press to see the contents. Is this the way it should work ? Another thing, which i find sometimes annoying, is the sometimes too strict type of address validation. E.g. Person Abc Def, which is only reachable via a gateway, would be adressed like that: To:@xyz.org:Abc.Def@blah.blah.blah.xyz.org Adressing this person that way with elm works and the message gets delivered. Using messages, it complains that the adress is not valid. In fact, the adress is valid, but messages just thinks so. Wouldn4t it be a more user friendly way if messages would warn and ask ? One other thing that i miss, is to build aliases or nicknames "on the fly". Let4s say a menu option which allows me to extract the mail adress from the current message i4m in and assign a alias to it. Maybe this function is already there and i4ve just missed something ? --- ------------------------------------ Z. Horvat Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz 7750 Konstanz +49(0)7531-88-2405 root@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de ------------------------------------ \enddata{text822, 277919} \begindata{text822, 280879} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:27:33 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2438; Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:26:16 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:24:41 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:24:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:24:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 481+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Compressed messages? \begindata{text,538885720} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I just did a \italic{du} of my bcc folder today and discovered how huge it has become over the past 3 years (surprise, surprise!), and I got an idea that I would like to pursue: Suppose I were to compress some of the files in my bcc folder. Wouldn't it be nice if messages would recognize the .Z extension and pipe it through uncompress automagically so I can stil read the messages. Anyone know where I should start looking, or is the file open code spread all over AMS? -todd inglett \enddata{text,538885720} \enddata{text822, 280879} \begindata{text822, 283339} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:27:14 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA22467; Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:14:00 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Jul 92 12:33:30 GMT From: mcsun!corton!sophia!ithaque.inria.fr!jls@uunet.uu.net (Jean-Luc Szpyrka) Organization: Inria Sophia Antipolis Subject: pb with sendmail Message-Id: <25242@sophia.inria.fr> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I just install andrew and I have the following problem. PB: --- When I sent a mail (using sendmail), a sign '+' (plus) is added to the login name of the sender. For example, the header of a received mail is: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:12:55+0200 (MET DST) From: "Jean-Luc Szpyrka, C014,C657832" To: jls@sophia.inria.fr Subject: testing.. I don't expect the e-mail address AND I don't want to use the Andrew Mail System, but /usr/lib/sendmail (v 5.21) ========== ================= Andrew is running on a Sun Sparstation 1, with the following AndrewSetup file: # # fichier de config des Andrew Toolkit # ------------------------------------ # # creation: jls # date : 21 Juillet 1992 # ThisDomain: sophia.inria.fr AMS_UseWP: no AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes AMS_LocalMailSystemExists: no AMS_WSRunsQueuemail: no AMS_ThisDomainAuthFromWS: yes AMS_OnlyMail: yes # AMS_NonViceHost: yes # WPIUpdateReqAddr: wd00+WPI-UPDATE-REQUEST@andrew.cmu.edu # AMS_ValidateDestHosts: no AMS_UUCPSupported: yes AMS_DeliveryVisGethostbyname: yes AMS_AliasesValidation: no AMS_WPValidation: 0 AMS_PasswdValidation: 0 AMS_LocalDatabaseValidation: 0 # AMS_MailboxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail OldSendmailProgram: /usr/lib/sendmail AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking: no # PostmasterName: jls@sophia.inria.fr PostmasterTitle: LeMaitreDesPostes PostmasterMailbox: /u/ithaque/0/jls/.MESSAGES/Postmaster # NNTPhost: sophia.inria.fr Organisation: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis (France) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-luc Szpyrka Email: jls@sophia.inria.fr Tel: (33) 93 65 78 69 -------------------------------------------------------------------- \enddata{text822, 283339} \begindata{text822, 286376} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:39:05 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA22891; Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:24:51 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Jul 92 14:38:06 GMT From: nih-csl!alw.nih.gov!rdew@uunet.uu.net (Bob Dew) Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL Subject: Re: pb with sendmail Message-Id: <1992Jul23.143806.18485@alw.nih.gov> References: <25242@sophia.inria.fr> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <25242@sophia.inria.fr>, jls@ithaque.inria.fr (Jean-Luc Szpyrka) writes: |> |> When I sent a mail (using sendmail), a sign '+' (plus) is added to the login |> name of the sender. |> |> I don't expect the e-mail address |> AND |> I don't want to use the Andrew Mail System, but /usr/lib/sendmail (v 5.21) |> ========== ================= The "plus" is used the by the Andrew Message Delivery System (AMDS) to signify name validation. Apparently you compiled Andrew with "RUN_AMDS_ENV" defined in your site.h configuration file. This means that messages was built with stubs that replace /bin/mail and /usr/lib/sendmail with calls to AMDS. If you want to run AMS using your system's regular sendmail system, then you'll have to recompile Andrew with "RUN_AMDS_ENV" undefined. This will build a messages program that uses sendmail and /bin/mail, rather than the AMDS, for local mail delivery. -Bob \enddata{text822, 286376} \begindata{text822, 288677} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:00:54 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:59:22 EDT Received: by inet; Thu Jul 23 11:59 EDT 1992 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gargoyle.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.gargoyle.sun4_41; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <0ePhRDH02mCP05NZdu@gargoyle> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Schell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Compressed messages? Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: While you're at it, it would be easy to add encryption in the same way. On opening a folder with a particular extension (like .x for encrypted), messages would put up a dialog box and prompt the user for a key to use when decrypting the messages in that folder. There are some fairly fast publicly available implementations of DES around to the the encrypt/decrypt part. Todd, I could send you one of these if you're interested in pursuing this. Bill Schell AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ bill@allegra.att.com \enddata{text822, 288677} \begindata{text822, 290723} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from piglet.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.piglet.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.piglet.transarc.com.pmax_3; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1709+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Z. Horvat) Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root In-Reply-To: <1992Jul23.080904.163654@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> References: <1992Jul23.080904.163654@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> \begindata{text,19156528} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 23-Jul-92 Re: Running Metamail as root Z. Horvat@ames.arc.nasa. (1499)} \quotation{Another thing, which i find sometimes annoying, is the sometimes too strict }\quotation{type of address validation. E.g. Person Abc Def, which is only reachable via }\quotation{a gateway, would be adressed like that: } \quotation{To:@xyz.org:Abc.Def@blah.blah.blah.xyz.org } \quotation{Adressing this person that way with elm works and the message gets delivered. }\quotation{Using messages, it complains that the adress is not valid. In fact, the adress }\quotation{is valid, but messages just thinks so. Wouldn4t it be a more user friendly way }\quotation{if messages would warn and ask ? } You control all this via AndrewSetup. Check the AMS_DeliveryViaXXX, AMS_ValidateDestHosts, and AMS_HardHostValidationErrors options. One kind of behavior that Messages might be doing here is to check whether the domain system says that you can get mail to ``xyz.org'' via type A or type MX records. If you want Messages to do remote host validation, you have to configure it to validate remote host names in the same way that your underlying mail delivery system will do it. \quotation{One other thing that i miss, is to build aliases or nicknames "on the fly". Let4s }\quotation{say a menu option which allows me to extract the mail adress from the current }\quotation{message i4m in and assign a alias to it. Maybe this function is already there and }\quotation{i4ve just missed something ? } It's not there in native code, but you could cut-and-paste into your ~/.AMS_aliases file. Perhaps some compound-action wizard or Ness wizard could come up with some function that you could bind to a keystroke that would (say) take the highlighted address, prompt for an alias name, and add the combination to ~/.AMS_aliases. Craig \enddata{text,19156528} \enddata{text822, 290723} \begindata{text822, 294067} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from piglet.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.piglet.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.piglet.transarc.com.pmax_3; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 536+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , jls@ithaque.inria.fr Subject: Re: pb with sendmail In-Reply-To: <1992Jul23.143806.18485@alw.nih.gov> References: <25242@sophia.inria.fr> <1992Jul23.143806.18485@alw.nih.gov> \begindata{text,19156528} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I'd alter the AndrewSetup file so that AMS_LocalMailSystemExists has a ``yes''. There's also a misspelling of AMS_DeliveryViaGethostbyname, in case you were wondering why that didn't have any effect. You can use a line like ``AMS_UseridPlusWorks: no'' in AndrewSetup. I don't know if you're getting the userid+ notation because of RUN_AMDS_ENV residue or what, but you can override the compile-time defaults in AndrewSetup. You may have to work to override \bold{\italic{all}} the compile-time defaults, which is what I'm suggesting here. Craig \enddata{text,19156528} \enddata{text822, 294067} \begindata{text822, 295993} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:17:51 EDT Received: from nyx.uni-konstanz.de by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0999; Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:16:34 MEZ Received: by DKNKURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 9540; Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:16:33 MEZ Received: from transarc.com by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:08:09 MEZ Received: by transarc.com (5.54/3.15) id for rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de; Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:08:05 EDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.piglet.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.piglet.transarc.com.pmax_3; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1709+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , rzhorv@NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (Z. Horvat) Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root In-Reply-To: <1992Jul23.080904.163654@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> References: <1992Jul23.080904.163654@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> \begindata{text,19156528} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 23-Jul-92 Re: Running Metamail as root Z. Horvat@ames.arc.nasa. (1499)} \quotation{Another thing, which i find sometimes annoying, is the sometimes too strict }\quotation{type of address validation. E.g. Person Abc Def, which is only reachable via }\quotation{a gateway, would be adressed like that: } \quotation{To:@xyz.org:Abc.Def@blah.blah.blah.xyz.org } \quotation{Adressing this person that way with elm works and the message gets delivered. }\quotation{Using messages, it complains that the adress is not valid. In fact, the adress }\quotation{is valid, but messages just thinks so. Wouldn4t it be a more user friendly way }\quotation{if messages would warn and ask ? } You control all this via AndrewSetup. Check the AMS_DeliveryViaXXX, AMS_ValidateDestHosts, and AMS_HardHostValidationErrors options. One kind of behavior that Messages might be doing here is to check whether the domain system says that you can get mail to ``xyz.org'' via type A or type MX records. If you want Messages to do remote host validation, you have to configure it to validate remote host names in the same way that your underlying mail delivery system will do it. \quotation{One other thing that i miss, is to build aliases or nicknames "on the fly". Let4s }\quotation{say a menu option which allows me to extract the mail adress from the current }\quotation{message i4m in and assign a alias to it. Maybe this function is already there and }\quotation{i4ve just missed something ? } It's not there in native code, but you could cut-and-paste into your ~/.AMS_aliases file. Perhaps some compound-action wizard or Ness wizard could come up with some function that you could bind to a keystroke that would (say) take the highlighted address, prompt for an alias name, and add the combination to ~/.AMS_aliases. Craig \enddata{text,19156528} \enddata{text822, 295993} \begindata{text822, 300223} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sadye.emba.uvm.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:46:16 EDT Received: by sadye.emba.uvm.edu id AA28927 (5.65/1.23); Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:46:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:46:14 -0400 From: Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU Message-Id: <9207231746.AA28927@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Running Metamail as root In-Reply-To: References: <1992Jul23.080904.163654@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de> On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT), Craig_Everhart@transarc.com said: > Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 23-Jul-92 Re: Running > Metamail as root Z. Horvat@ames.arc.nasa. (1499) > To:@xyz.org:Abc.Def@blah.blah.blah.xyz.org Please be aware that any mail transport agent anywhere on the Internet is completely free to ignore or discard this old-style source routing. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman = wollman@emba.uvm.edu = UVM is welcome to my opinions = uvm-gen!wollman = That's what being alive is all about. No deity, no higher goal exists, than to bring joy to another person. - Elf Sternberg \enddata{text822, 300223} \begindata{text822, 302065} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b+; Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:33:47 EDT Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <11657>; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:27:05 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25545>; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:25:45 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4ePjaW0B0KGWEQ8SZK@holmes.parc.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:25:38 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 306+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"? In-Reply-To: References: <13653@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,2890272} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any reason *no.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (1635+0)} \quotation{But I believe in general the right approach is to get ATK out of the business of font path management. } I agree with Rob. There's never enough information available to the ATK world to do it right. Bill \enddata{text,2890272} \enddata{text822, 302065} \begindata{text822, 304273} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , outnews+netnews.comp.multimedia@andrew.cmu.edu, outnews+netnews.comp.windows.x@andrew.cmu.edu, XANNOUNCE@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Remote Andrew Demo Service Update The Andrew Consortium of Carnegie Mellon University is proud to announce the second return of... THE REMOTE ANDREW DEMO SERVICE! After being offline for several weeks due to reorganization of our filesystem it has been returned to service, now on an RS/6000! (The demo service previously operated on 4 IBM RT's.) This revolutionary network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit applications without the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew software. It used to be that trying out Andrew required ftp'ing megabytes of source and performing a lengthy build... but no longer! The Remote Andrew Demo service will have you running Andrew software within 5 minutes. You need a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11 window system. A simple "finger" command will allow you to experience ATK applications firsthand. You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message System to browse through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups. NOTE: some corporate networks restrict incoming network access in such a way that the Demo Service cannot function. HOW TO USE THE SERVICE To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on your machine: finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu The service will give you any further instructions that may be necessary. WHAT IS ANDREW? The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a multimedia graphical toolkit running under X11. It provides, among other things, an editor for composing rich-text documents complete with embedded insets such as raster images, spreadsheets, graphs, drawings, animations -- even embedded audio and video. Documents can be cross-referenced with embedded "hyperlinks." ATK includes an application builder, extension language, and a rich set of object types which make the creation of complex graphical interfaces easy. ATK is an open system, allowing new object types to be written in C. There's also an ATK-based mail/news program which allows the sending of graphical ATK documents through the mail. It complies with the forthcoming Internet RFC concerning multimedia mail formats (the "MIME" RFC). ATK has been a part of the campus computing environment of Carnegie Mellon University since 1986 and has continuously evolved to remain at the forefront of multimedia information technology. The Andrew Toolkit, release 5.0, is available free of charge on MIT's current distribution of X11 (release 5), in the directory contrib/andrew. And coming soon, a binary distribution of Andrew on CD-ROM, compiled for several of the most popular Unix platforms. For further information about ATK and the ATK Consortium which supports it, contact: wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu Wilfred J. Hansen Director, ATK Consortium School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University 4910 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213 We invite you to experience ATK yourself -- right now -- with the Remote Andrew Demo. \enddata{text822, 304273} \begindata{text822, 308594} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:17:53 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27429; Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:24:53 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Jul 92 03:45:53 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Superfluous -pic compilations? Message-Id: <13721@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <1992Jul24.015941.286@news.eng.convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >If only the non-pic object is used, why bother compiling with -pic too? Actually, the -pic objects should be the ones that are being used. Take a close look at "/usr/andrew/bin/makedo"; just because the Makefile is passing ".o" to "makedo" doesn't mean that it's linking ".o", rather than "shared/.o", into the ".do" file.... And the answer to the follow-up question is "because stuff that's statically linked into 'runapp', rather than put into a '.do' file, should be built non-pic, because otherwise you get the Global Offset Table From Hell and may have to compile stuff "-PIC" rather than "-pic". The net result is that I just decided to build both pic and non-pic ".o"s, shove the former into ".do" files, and shove the latter into ".a" files. \enddata{text822, 308594} \begindata{text822, 310700} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:36:44 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA24792; Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:15:48 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Jul 92 01:59:41 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!convex!datri@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Superfluous -pic compilations? Message-Id: <1992Jul24.015941.286@news.eng.convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm rebuilding 5.1 on a Sun 4/75 running 4.1.1 with the bundled compiler. It seems that each C file gets compiled twice -- once with -pic and once without: cc -pic -c -O4 /usr/lib/libm.il -I. -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include tabio.c mv tabio.o shared/tabio.o cc -c -O4 /usr/lib/libm.il -I. -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include tabio.c ... /usr/andrew/bin/makedo -d /usr/andrew/lib -b /usr/andrew/bin -s -o table.do table.o eval.o tabio.o funs.o -lm If only the non-pic object is used, why bother compiling with -pic too? -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 310700} \begindata{text822, 312740} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:42:23 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA05814; Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:06:41 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Jul 92 07:57:02 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!usc!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!convex!datri@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA Subject: Re: Superfluous -pic compilations? Message-Id: <1992Jul24.075702.14217@news.eng.convex.com> References: <1992Jul24.015941.286@news.eng.convex.com>, <13721@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu "nevermind". I guess I should have read the script before I opened my big mouth. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 312740} \begindata{text822, 314369} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7612;andrew.cmu.edu;Andrew-Tool-Kit Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:31:27 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: <0eQkiTu00VsBErnllM@andrew.cmu.edu> ReSent-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:31:27 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: Andrew-Tool-Kit ReSent-To: Info-Andrew X-Added: With Flames (ak99 v2.2) Return-path: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:39:47 -0600 From: dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Message-Id: <9207250339.AA32602@carbon.chem.utah.edu> To: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu, dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Subject: Name conflict IBM help and Andrew help IBM's AIX comes with a 'help' command on an RS/6000. If I add the binary Andrew help directory before the system directories in my PATH variable, I seem to be getting a strange behavor for some commands. If I add the Andrew help directory after the system directories I get the (useless) IBM help stuff. I am not supposed to delete the IBM help stuff on our systems. I tried to rename the Andrew 'help' without success: [/data/xccbond/Bin] 3009> ls -alF H* lrwxrwxrwx 1 dunkel staff 4 Jul 10 16:37 Help@ -> help* [/data/xccbond/Bin] 3010> Help runapp: There is no known application or datatype called Help. [/data/xccbond/Bin] 3011> help Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 5.1); please wait... Is there a solution for the name conflict of IBM help and Andrew help? __ _ | ) o | | | \ | | | / _ |_ _ _ _| | | | _ | |/\ /_) | ^ ^ | | _) | / | | | | | ^ ^ |_) /_) | | \_/\___|_| | |_| |_(_|__|___\_| |_/__|_|_| | |_| \_/\___| Department of Chemistry Office: (801) 581-7351 2020 Henry Eyring Building b113 Home: (801) 582-7516 University of Utah FAX: (801) 581-8433 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 dunkel@chemistry.chem.utah.edu \enddata{text822, 314369} \begindata{text822, 317075} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hes.csc.liv.ac.uk by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:53:42 EDT Received: from kin.csc.liv.ac.uk by hes.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.6/LUCS-1.3) id AA26535; Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:50:28 +0100 Message-Id: <9207251450.AA26535@hes.csc.liv.ac.uk> Received: by kin.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA02381; Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:50:27 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:50:27 +0100 From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: network analysis tools? Has anyone prepared an Andrew program that would help us manage PERT, CPM, or other network analysis plans in our documents? This is not handled with the current Andrew programs chart, chimp, obj, table, or zip. Thank you, Roy Rada \enddata{text822, 317075} \begindata{text822, 318419} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:34:47 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA28453; Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:32:00 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 28 Jul 92 16:08:03 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!mucs!lucsand!lucs!damon@uunet.uu.net (Mr. D.A. Chaplin) Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Subject: Finalize Object function Message-Id: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Is the FinalizeObject function automatically called for the top level object when you Quit? I would have thought this would happen but it doesn't seem to. If it's not automatic, how should I call it - in the Quit function? This problem may be related to a warning message I get when class preprocesses every header: /usr/local/andrew/bin/class -s -I../include -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include -I/usr/include/X11R4 muchview.ch WARNING:muchview.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject routine yet the InitializeObject routines are all there and all run correctly. (and they're declared before the FinalizeObject functions) Another serious problem I've had is that the compiler doesn't complain about undefined symbols, yet the program crashes when it is run. Is there any fix for this? (Andrew 5.1, HP9000/720) Thanks, Damon. \enddata{text822, 318419} \begindata{text822, 320623} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0eRTrB600VsnQYKF5J@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1614+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Finalize Object function In-Reply-To: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,538662240} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 28-Jul-92 Finalize Object function Mr. D.A. Chaplin@uunet.u (891)} \quotation{Is the FinalizeObject function automatically called for the top level }\quotation{object when you Quit? I would have thought this would happen but it }\quotation{doesn't seem to. If it's not automatic, how should I call it - in the Quit }\quotation{function? } No, if your top level needs to be destroyed when you quit you should explicitly destroy it yourself. Note: never call FinalizeObject directly, but Destroy will call it. I believe you want something along the lines of: \example{ struct im *im=view_GetIM(topv) im_SetView(im, NULL); view_Destroy(topv); } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 28-Jul-92 Finalize Object function Mr. D.A. Chaplin@uunet.u (891)} \quotation{This problem may be related to a warning message I get when class }\quotation{preprocesses every header: } \quotation{ /usr/local/andrew/bin/class -s -I../include -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include -I/usr/include/X11R4 muchview.ch }\quotation{ WARNING:muchview.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject routine }\example{ }I believe this should only happen if you don't declare the InitializeObject function in the .ch file. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 28-Jul-92 Finalize Object function Mr. D.A. Chaplin@uunet.u (891)} \quotation{Another serious problem I've had is that the compiler doesn't }\quotation{complain about undefined symbols, yet the program crashes when it is run. }\quotation{Is there any fix for this? } I suspect this has to do with the way the dynamic loading for HPs works, we don't have a fix yet. But we will probably look into this. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538662240} \enddata{text822, 320623} \begindata{text822, 323767} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:58:59 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3680; Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:58:17 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:56:21 CDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 940+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Finalize Object function In-Reply-To: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,538912872} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 28-Jul-92 Finalize Object function Mr. D.A. Chaplin@RCHGATE (894)} \quotation{ /usr/local/andrew/bin/class -s -I../include }\quotation{ -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include }\quotation{ -I/usr/include/X11R4 muchview.ch }\quotation{ WARNING:muchview.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject }\quotation{ routine } I've tracked this down before. I assume that your muchview class has both an InitializeObject and a FinalizeObject (otherwise the warning is real). There seem to be some versions of lex floating around that can't handle overhead/class/pp/classpp.l. I've modified that code to use a lookup table instead of the long list of keywords (which results in a nice small binary for class, BTW) which seems to work for the crippled lex. You could try compiling classpp.l with GNU's flex, or with another machine's lex to get rid of the message. Or I could dig up my patches for class.... -todd inglett \enddata{text,538912872} \enddata{text822, 323767} \begindata{text822, 326875} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:50:46 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17818; Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:36:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Jul 92 09:03:36 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!chx400!sicsun!slhp1.epfl.ch!lecom@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Claude Lecommandeur) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Subject: Re: Finalize Object function Message-Id: <3810@sicsun.epfl.ch> References: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk>, damon@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. D.A. Chaplin) writes: |> Is the FinalizeObject function automatically called for the top level |> object when you Quit? I would have thought this would happen but it |> doesn't seem to. If it's not automatic, how should I call it - in the Quit |> function? |> |> This problem may be related to a warning message I get when class |> preprocesses every header: |> |> |> /usr/local/andrew/bin/class -s -I../include -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include -I/usr/include/X11R4 muchview.ch |> WARNING:muchview.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject routine |> This warning is due to a buggy lex on HP. What i did was to redefine LEX to call a script which do the lex on a Sun : LEX=sunlex (in some makefile) and sunlex is : #!/bin/sh # ----- executing lex on a sun to work around a bug on the HP one # if [ $# != 1 ]; then echo "Usage : $0 lexfile" exit 1 fi cat $1 | remsh somesun -l someuser_with_.rhosts lex -t > lex.yy.c -- Claude Lecommandeur Service Informatique Central Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne 1015 LAUSANNE (SWITZERLAND) E-Mail : lecom@sic.epfl.ch Tel : (41 21) 693-22-97 \enddata{text822, 326875} \begindata{text822, 329731} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:55:00 EDT Received: from nyx.uni-konstanz.de by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1727; Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:54:39 MEZ Received: by DKNKURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 5611; Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:54:38 MEZ Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:43:47 MEZ Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:02:31 EDT Received: via switchmail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:58:59 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3680; Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:58:17 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:56:21 CDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 940+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Finalize Object function In-Reply-To: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,538912872} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 28-Jul-92 Finalize Object function Mr. D.A. Chaplin@RCHGATE (894)} \quotation{ /usr/local/andrew/bin/class -s -I../include }\quotation{ -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include }\quotation{ -I/usr/include/X11R4 muchview.ch }\quotation{ WARNING:muchview.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject }\quotation{ routine } I've tracked this down before. I assume that your muchview class has both an InitializeObject and a FinalizeObject (otherwise the warning is real). There seem to be some versions of lex floating around that can't handle overhead/class/pp/classpp.l. I've modified that code to use a lookup table instead of the long list of keywords (which results in a nice small binary for class, BTW) which seems to work for the crippled lex. You could try compiling classpp.l with GNU's flex, or with another machine's lex to get rid of the message. Or I could dig up my patches for class.... -todd inglett \enddata{text,538912872} \enddata{text822, 329731} \begindata{text822, 333661} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:09:58 EDT Received: from nyx.uni-konstanz.de by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1739; Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:09:43 MEZ Received: by DKNKURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 5722; Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:09:42 MEZ Received: from andrew.cmu.edu by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:57:07 MEZ Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:54:05 EDT Received: via switchmail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:50:46 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17818; Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:36:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Jul 92 09:03:36 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!m algudi.oar.net!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!chx400!sicsun!slhp1.epfl.ch!lecom@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Claude Lecommandeur) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Subject: Re: Finalize Object function Message-Id: <3810@sicsun.epfl.ch> References: <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <1992Jul28.160804.12@and.csc.liv.ac.uk>, damon@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. D.A. Chaplin) writes: |> Is the FinalizeObject function automatically called for the top level |> object when you Quit? I would have thought this would happen but it |> doesn't seem to. If it's not automatic, how should I call it - in the Quit |> function? |> |> This problem may be related to a warning message I get when class |> preprocesses every header: |> |> |> /usr/local/andrew/bin/class -s -I../include -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include -I/usr/include/X11R4 muchview.ch |> WARNING:muchview.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject routine |> This warning is due to a buggy lex on HP. What i did was to redefine LEX to call a script which do the lex on a Sun : LEX=sunlex (in some makefile) and sunlex is : #!/bin/sh # ----- executing lex on a sun to work around a bug on the HP one # if [ $# != 1 ]; then echo "Usage : $0 lexfile" exit 1 fi cat $1 | remsh somesun -l someuser_with_.rhosts lex -t > lex.yy.c -- Claude Lecommandeur Service Informatique Central Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne 1015 LAUSANNE (SWITZERLAND) E-Mail : lecom@sic.epfl.ch Tel : (41 21) 693-22-97 \enddata{text822, 333661} \begindata{text822, 337334} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:07:39 EDT Received: from PERVM1 by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0691; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:06:47 EDT Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:34:32 EST From: "Alfredo Remy Pflucker" To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I just got the CD-ROM release of the ATK dated May, 1992. I have an RS/6000 and I read that the binaries provided on the disc are for AIX 3.1. I have AIX 3.2. Should I compile the Andrew source or will the rs_aix31 binaries run okey? Alfredo Remy \enddata{text822, 337334} \begindata{text822, 338592} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4eS20V200Vs90tc1Ua@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: "Alfredo Remy Pflucker" Subject: Re: CDROM AIX Binaries CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from misc: 30-Jul-92 Alfredo Pflucker@PERVM1. (251) > I just got the CD-ROM release of the ATK dated May, 1992. I have an > RS/6000 and I read that the binaries provided on the disc are for > AIX 3.1. I have AIX 3.2. Should I compile the Andrew source or will the rs_aix31 binaries run okey? We've been told that the AIX3.1 binaries work well under AIX3.2. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 338592} \begindata{text822, 340252} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:37:52 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA09960; Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:22:32 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Jul 92 21:58:20 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mathew Yeates) Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Subject: preview question Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm having trouble preview documents. After selecting "preview" from the ez menu, a window pops up and then immediately dissapears. There is no warning or error message. My preference file contains *.FormatCommand: psroff -t /tmp/%s.n | *.PrintCommand: lpr do I need something else? How can I find out whats going on? I recompiled and tried to turn on debugging (self->debug=TRUE) in preview.c but I still get nothing. In general, how are these things debugged? Do I have to run with runapp? -Mathew \enddata{text822, 340252} \begindata{text822, 342090} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:56:26 EDT Received: from nyx.uni-konstanz.de by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1893; Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:55:08 MEZ Received: by DKNKURZ1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 7688; Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:55:07 MEZ Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:47:08 MEZ Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:15:09 EDT Received: via switchmail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:07:39 EDT Received: from PERVM1 by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0691; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:06:47 EDT Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:34:32 EST From: "Alfredo Remy Pflucker" To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I just got the CD-ROM release of the ATK dated May, 1992. I have an RS/6000 and I read that the binaries provided on the disc are for AIX 3.1. I have AIX 3.2. Should I compile the Andrew source or will the rs_aix31 binaries run okey? Alfredo Remy \enddata{text822, 342090} \begindata{text822, 344167} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 575+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: preview question In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538752080} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 30-Jul-92 preview question Mathew Yeates@ucbvax.Ber (504)} \quotation{do I need something else? How can I find out whats going on? }\quotation{I recompiled and tried to turn on debugging (self->debug=TRUE) in }\quotation{preview.c but I still get nothing. In general, how are these }\quotation{things debugged? Do I have to run with runapp? } My usual method for debugging the printing commands is to make the final stage a redirect to a file, where I can see if that is as expected. To try this you could have: *.PreviewCommand:cat>/tmp/foo.ditroff -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538752080} \enddata{text822, 344167} \begindata{text822, 346067} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 20 Jul 92 13:37:57 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01712; Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:31:16 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Jul 92 17:20:07 GMT From: prism!gt0963d@gatech.edu (Deeptendu Majumder) Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate Subject: Need Writenow to rtf converter Message-Id: <63878@hydra.gatech.EDU> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Can someone point me to a program that would do the wn -> rtf conversion ?. I have a set of wn docs for the NeXT, that I would like to convert to Andrew ez format ultimately. I have rtf -> troff and troff -> ez converters. If anybody knows anything about a rtf-> ez then I would like the hear about it. please respond through e-mail. I will summarize if I get many responses. many thanks d. -- ------ "Like a harsh neon streaking through the velvet darkness the whetted knife of Life tore its path through her Dreams" \enddata{text822, 346067} \begindata{text822, 347858} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 15:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jul 1992 15:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 20 Jul 92 15:38:05 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06859; Mon, 20 Jul 92 12:28:22 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Jul 92 19:19:03 GMT From: prism!gt0963d@gatech.edu (Deeptendu Majumder) Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate Subject: Re: Need Writenow to rtf converter Message-Id: <63897@hydra.gatech.EDU> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I think I should have also mentioned that I want to do this conversion without having to sit at a NeXT console. d. -- ------ "Like a harsh neon streaking through the velvet darkness the whetted knife of Life tore its path through her Dreams" \enddata{text822, 347858}