\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 3 Jan 93 15:29:32 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13012; Sun, 3 Jan 93 12:22:55 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 3 Jan 93 18:31:46 GMT From: panix!miner@nyu.edu (Ed Miner) Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Subject: How do I set margins in EZ Message-Id: <1993Jan3.183146.17471@panix.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello, Can anyone tell me how can I set the top and bottom margins within EZ? Also how can i find a list of .troff commands? to use. thanks in advance, ed \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 1412} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:47:04 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from phantom.cislabs.pitt.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 3 Jan 93 19:45:04 EST Received: by phantom.cislabs.pitt.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA27255; Sun, 3 Jan 93 19:44:50 EST From: qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu (James Ralston Crawford) Message-Id: <9301040044.AA27255@phantom.cislabs.pitt.edu> Subject: Re: National characters in texts To: agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!Germany.EU.net!Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE!tommy!klute@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Rainer Klute) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:44:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1hsuv5INN4b1@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> from "Rainer Klute" at Dec 30, 92 07:57:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 727 Rainer Klute writes: > I just installed some basic parts of the Andrew system (namely > messages) on a Sun IPC (running SunOS 4.1.1) under X11R5, patchlevel > 20. What annoys me is that typing a national character (i. e. a > German umlaut) in, say, ez crashes the application. Same thing for: Sun SS-670MP, SunOS 4.1.2, X11R5 PL17 Sun IPX, SunOS 4.1.2, X11R5 PL17 Sun IPC, SunOS 4.1.2, X11R5 PL17 I need to recompile Andrew here, so I might see if tweaking various compiling options might change anything. James -- James Ralston Crawford \ Assistant Supervisor \ Advanced Technology Lab qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu \ qralston+@pitt.edu \ qralston@pittvms.bitnet "but you'll have to do it yourself" - SunOS error message \enddata{text822, 1412} \begindata{text822, 3781} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from bernina.ethz.ch by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 4 Jan 93 04:50:48 EST Received: from neptune by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound id <24511-0@bernina.ethz.ch>; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:50:35 +0100 Received: from a (a-gw) by neptune id AA15873; Mon, 4 Jan 93 10:50:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 10:50:28 +0100 From: Niklaus Gerhard Ruess Message-Id: <9301040950.AA19497@a> Received: from a15 by a id AA19497; Mon, 4 Jan 93 10:50:28 +0100 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: rasters Hi there, I'm working on a converter for ATK format and RTF. So I'm interested in the datastream of raster objects. Somewhere I read that the format is described in the file itc/be2/raster/rasterspec.d . I can't find this file on my disk. Do you know any location where I can get it with ftp? I tried to include rasters made with MacPaint 2.0. I couldn't load them into an ATK document made by EZ. It always said that the file is not in MacPaint format. Do you have any idea what's wrong here? I'm working with EZ version 7.0 and ATK 5.1. Thanks for taking your time. Niklaus Ruess \enddata{text822, 3781} \begindata{text822, 5518} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 4 Jan 93 11:16:06 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA10434; Mon, 4 Jan 93 08:08:44 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 4 Jan 93 15:46:46 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!unidui!rrz.uni-koeln.de!Germany.EU.net!Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE!tommy!klute@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rainer Klute) Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Subject: Re: National characters in texts Message-Id: <1i9m56INNah0@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article , rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: |> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 30-Dec-92 National characters |> in texts Rainer Klute@ucbvax.Berk (642) |> |> > What annoys me is that typing a national character (i. e. a German |> > umlaut) in, say, ez crashes the application. Is this regarded as |> usual |> > behavior, could it be due to my unusual installation, or did I miss |> > anything in the documentation? |> |> This is certainly not normal behavior. Which version of Andrew are you |> using? (5.1 is the latest public release) Check that |> $ANDREWDIR/lib/compchar exists and contains the single readable file |> comps. It should start out like below... I am using Andrew 5.1, and $ANDREWDIR/lib/compchar/comps looks fine. Meanwhile I gathered some disk space and built the Andrew configuration: same behaviour. I just started another built with MK_BASIC_UTILS defined in order to get this console application. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 \enddata{text822, 5518} \begindata{text822, 8239} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:40:29 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:39:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:39:46 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 717+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: How do I set margins in EZ CC: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Jan3.183146.17471@panix.com> References: <1993Jan3.183146.17471@panix.com> \begindata{text,538802180} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 3-Jan-93 How do I set margins in EZ Ed Miner@panix.com (160)} \quotation{Can anyone tell me how can I set the top and bottom margins within EZ? }\quotation{Also how can i find a list of .troff commands? to use. } To edit styles, choose the 'Edit Styles' item on the 'File' menu card. This will bring up a lookz window. The bad news is that I don't believe there is a facility for setting the top and bottom margins. The good news is that you can embed raw troff at any location in the document. Just type in the troff code, select that code and choose the 'FormatNote' item on the 'Region' menu card. The troff will take affect when the document is printed. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538802180} \enddata{text822, 8239} \begindata{text822, 10333} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:01:39 EST Via: uk.ac.hull.cs.nebula; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:01:08 +0000 From: "K.K.Akosa" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:00:23 GMT Message-Id: <22845.9301042000@cs.hull.ac.uk> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: RE ADEW applications I am trying to create a hypertext authoring environment using ATK. As I didn't have much time to read through NSB's book on Creating Applicatioins with ATK I decided to use ADEW. I created the layout I required but have been unable to use createcon to produce the controller code. Could anyone please tell me what I should do to get creatcon to produce the code for me. Here is exactly what happens ' csug3kka@biffy.24--> ls Imakefile ez3 input out ez2 ez3.CKP make csug3kka@biffy.25--> createcon ez2 Creating a controller for ez2. Please wait... running awk -f /usr/local/other/andrew/lib/arbiters/conpros.awk ez2 awk: funcs is not an array record number 354 Moving .ch to .ch.old Merging in new info to create .ch Moving .c to .c.old Merging in new info to create .c Done csug3kka@biffy.26--> I have uuencoded the file ez2 and included it below this message begin 600 ez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ndrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ctp.com (toon.ctp.com) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for susan+; Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:18:05 EST Received: from pebbles.ctp.com by ctp.com (4.1/3.1.090690-Cambridge Technology Partners) id AA27404; Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:21:53 EST Received: from localhost by pebbles.ctp.com (16.8/DA.WS.1.0.5) id AA26043; Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:15:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9301042115.AA26043@pebbles.ctp.com> To: Susan Straub Subject: Re: andrew patch level In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 04 Jan 1993 15:12:29 -0500. <8fG9chm00WofE0a0UI@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 16:15:33 -0500 From: Kevin O'Connor Susan, Thank-you for your response. Actually I did gt the source from emsworth... I am now having some troubles compiling. I am in the atk subtree in the table directory. I am failing on the doindex call on 'table.do'. Here is a post I made to comp.soft-sys.andrew. Do you have any suggestions? I am trying to compile ATK 5.1 on an HP9000/817 running HP-UX 8.02. In atk/table doindex is failing to create an index for table.do. The index for spread.do is created fine. Following is an exerpt from the make log. - --------- rm -f table.o cc -c +O2 -I. -I/home/xx/kevin/andrew/include/atk -I/home/xx/kevin /andrew/include -I//usr/local/include +z -W p,-H500000 table.c rm -f eval.o cc -c +O2 -I. -I/home/xx/kevin/andrew/include/atk -I/home/xx/kevin /andrew/include -I//usr/local/include +z -W p,-H500000 eval.c rm -f tabio.o cc -c +O2 -I. -I/home/xx/kevin/andrew/include/atk -I/home/xx/kevin /andrew/include -I//usr/local/include +z -W p,-H500000 tabio.c rm -f funs.o cc -c +O2 -I. -I/home/xx/kevin/andrew/include/atk -I/home/xx/kevin /andrew/include -I//usr/local/include +z -W p,-H500000 funs.c /home/xx/kevin/andrew/bin/makedo -d /home/xx/kevin/andrew/lib -b /h ome/xx/kevin/andrew/bin -o table.do table.o eval.o tabio.o funs.o /home/xx/kevin/andrew/bin/doindex table.do doindex: indexing table.do ... doload: error loading table.do from table.do errno 215 doindex: NULL entrypoint from table.do...program terminated! - --------- There were no errors or warnings in the compiles as the exerpt indicates. Is this a symptom of the HP shared lib problem? Is it a problem that position independent code is not compiled? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | Why we are here: Kevin G. O'Connor | /\/\ | To tremble at the terrible beauty Cambridge Technology Partners | / /_.\ | of the stars, to shed a tear at kocon@ctp.com | \ /./ | the perfection of Beethoven's +1 617-374-8286 | \/\/ | symphonies, and to crack a cold | | one now and then. - D. Letterman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \enddata{text822, 19878} \begindata{text822, 23201} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.umd.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:36:20 EST Received: by monster.umd.edu id AA12873 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:35:00 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.monster.umd.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.monster.umd.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:34:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: Stephan Greene X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1092+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: National characters in texts In-Reply-To: <1i9m56INNah0@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> References: , <1i9m56INNah0@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> \begindata{text,538367304} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \quotation{What annoys me is that typing a national character (i. e. a German umlaut) in, say, ez }\quotation{crashes the application. } I think this is the same problem that I encountered and fixed when I was working on an ISO keyboard in Sweden this summer (a DECstation, in that case). It occurs when you have a keyboard that sends 8-bit characters directly to the application, as opposed to your having mapped a key-sequence of 7-bit characters to self-insert an 8-bit character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case the compchar package has nothing to do with it. I went into the following files, and changed some "char" declarations to "unsigned char" and the problem was solved. I don't have the details handy, but the places to do it are pretty obvious. I would think you need to hit the SelfInsert routines in the txt*.c files at the very least. This may be overkill, but I made that change in these files: bind.c bind.ch keymap.c keymap.ch txtcmds.c txtvcmod.c This was in ATK 5.0. I can dig up the files if anyone wants to diff them against newer versions. Stephan Greene University of Maryland \enddata{text,538367304} \enddata{text822, 23201} \begindata{text822, 25952} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:41:45 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:41:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:41:23 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , Ed Miner Subject: Re: How do I set margins in EZ In-Reply-To: <1993Jan3.183146.17471@panix.com> References: <1993Jan3.183146.17471@panix.com> The package $ANDREWDIR/lib/tmac/tmac.atk defines several options suitable for adjusting printed output layout. For instance, the initialization routine defines: .nr PS \n(.p \" pointsize .nr VS \n(.v \" linespacing .nr HM 1i \" header margin .nr FM 1i \" footer margin .nr LL \n(.l \" line length .nr IN 36p \" indent to allow outdenting headers .nr LT \n(.l-\n(INu \" title length All of these can be adjusted with formatnotes in your document. For instance, to set the top margin, put a line .nr HM 1.5i and mark it with the FormatNote style. You can also copy tmac.atk and modify it. To use the modified version, add to your ~/preferences file a line like: *.tmacfile: pathname/tmac.atk substituting for the path to your copy of tmac.atk. Have fun, Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 25952} \begindata{text822, 27985} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:21:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 913+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: "K.K.Akosa" Subject: Re: RE ADEW applications CC: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu, Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <22845.9301042000@cs.hull.ac.uk> References: <22845.9301042000@cs.hull.ac.uk> \begindata{text,538701360} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 4-Jan-93 RE ADEW applications "K.K.Akosa"@cs.hull.ac.u (8573)} \quotation{... I decided to use ADEW. I created the layout I required but have been unable to use createcon to produce the controller code . ... Creating a controller for ez2. Please wait... }\quotation{running awk -f /usr/local/other/andrew/lib/arbiters/conpros.awk ez2 }\quotation{awk: funcs is not an array }\quotation{ record number 354 } Interesting, apparently you have a version of awk that considers the term 'funcs' as a reserved word. Try changing your path to reference /bin/awk (or a link to it) before whatever version you are running. If you only have the one awk, try editing the file ' $ANDREWDIR/lib/arbiters/conpros.awk' (installed from the atk/adew directory) , replacing all of the instances of the words 'funcs' with 'myfuncs', or some other name. Let me know how it goes, and what version of awk was giving you the problem. regards, Tom Neuendorffer \enddata{text,538701360} \enddata{text822, 27985} \begindata{text822, 30329} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:49:33 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11533; Wed, 6 Jan 93 11:45:45 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Jan 93 19:43:59 GMT From: agate!manray.Berkeley.EDU!dglo@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Glowacki) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: 5.1 on SunOS 4.1/4.1.2 Message-Id: <1ifcpvINNmmb@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've tried building Andrew 5.1 on a Sun3 running SunOS 4.1 and on SPARC machines running SunOS 4.1 and 4.1.2. On all three systems, any use of 'doindex' fails with a message similar to doindex: indexing testobj.do ...dlopen: stub interception failed *** Abort - core dumped Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how I can fix it? -- Dave Glowacki dglo@cs.Berkeley.EDU UCBerkeley \enddata{text822, 30329} \begindata{text822, 32043} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:19:36 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29703; Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:05:31 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 7 Jan 93 02:48:41 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: 5.1 on SunOS 4.1/4.1.2 Message-Id: <16267@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <1ifcpvINNmmb@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu > doindex: indexing testobj.do ...dlopen: stub interception failed > *** Abort - core dumped > >Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how I can fix it? Make absolutely, positively, sure that you do !!!*NOT*!!! have "/lib" in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH. If you have it before "/usr/lib", it will cause that very symptom; if you don't, it's superflous ("/lib" is just a symbolic link to "/usr/lib" in SunOS 4.x). Also, make sure that none of the Makefiles have "-L/lib" in them; that can cause the same problem. Also also, make sure they don't have "-L/usr/lib/" or anything such as that in them, either - that one measly little extra "/" at the end can *also* cause the same problem (it's a long story, but basically if any program gets the "-ldl" library from anywhere other than a file with the *exact* pathname "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0", you lose). \enddata{text822, 32043} \begindata{text822, 34196} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from bernina.ethz.ch by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:09:45 EST Received: from nessie by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound id <1209-0@bernina.ethz.ch>; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:09:40 +0100 Received: by nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch; Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:09:36 +0100 From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Message-Id: <9301071509.AA07435@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch> Subject: adew-clicklist - Problems To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:09:35 CET Hi out there, i am currently having some problems, to which I can not work out a solution. Maybe you can help me ? I have a clicklist-value, in which i insert a stirng-array, containing some colons. As the font inside the table is always proportional, and as I have not found any way to set the font or it's proportio- nality, my colums will always be unaligned. (i cant use TAB) Is there a possibility to set the font-style or the font itself ? In Arb I can set a body-font, but this matters only for the title of the clicklist-field, not for data which i assign later... How can I let choose the user more than one entry of the clicklist at the same time ? Is there a method where i can find a whole selected range ? (And how can I find out, which button he uses to click on the entries? I think there is something like this in the valuev.ch - but I could not figure out how to let it work. It seems that only inputs with the left mouse-button acutally cause a callback... Advices of every kind are very welcome, so thanks you in advance :-)) Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch \enddata{text822, 34196} \begindata{text822, 36563} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:26:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Received: from relay.MOD.UK by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for INFO-ANDREW; Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:26:06 EST Received: from hermes.mod.uk by relay.MOD.UK via PSS with NIFTP id aa01333; 7 Jan 93 15:10 WET Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:23 GMT From: Mark Templeton 07-Jan-1993 1721 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid%hermes.mod.uk"@relay.MOD.UK> To: INFO-ANDREW <@relay.MOD.UK:INFO-ANDREW@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Patches for andrew Have there been patches/updates for Andrew, since the CDROM release? I seem to remember hearing about some, but I cannot find any on the Imperial College info-server. Regards, Mark. 0 00000000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 The Druid 0 alias Mark D Templeton B1013 Internet : Mark.Templeton%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk RSRE(S) Janet : Mark.Templeton@hermes.mod.uk St Andrews Road Malvern Internal : druid@caercn Worcestershire WR14 3PS Phone UK : 0684-892733 x2109 United Kingdom Phone Intl: +44-684-892733 x2109 \enddata{text822, 36563} \begindata{text822, 38653} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:23:36 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 373+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Patches for andrew In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538668640} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 7-Jan-93 Patches for andrew Mark T. 07-Jan-1993@rela (981)} \quotation{Have there been patches/updates for Andrew, since the CDROM release? }\quotation{I seem to remember hearing about some, but I cannot find any on }\quotation{the Imperial College info-server. } The next public release will be included on the contrib portion of X11R6 about a year from now. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538668640} \enddata{text822, 38653} \begindata{text822, 40377} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fH_PGG00hYSRC7LcO@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1743+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: adew-clicklist - Problems In-Reply-To: <9301071509.AA07435@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch> References: <9301071509.AA07435@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch> \begindata{text,538701360} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 7-Jan-93 adew-clicklist - Problems Germano Caronni@nessie.c (1254)} \quotation{I have a clicklist-value, in which i insert a stirng-array, containing }\quotation{some colons. As the font inside the table is always proportional, }\quotation{and as I have not found any way to set the font or it's proportio- }\quotation{nality, my colums will always be unaligned. (i cant use TAB) }\quotation{Is there a possibility to set the font-style or the font itself ? }\quotation{In Arb I can set a body-font, but this matters only for the title }\quotation{of the clicklist-field, not for data which i assign later... } The clicklistv object has a pointer to a text object and a cltextview. To change the style of the text, you could create a style object and call text_SetGlobalStyle on the text object (followed by a text_NotifyObservers call) . \quotation{How can I let choose the user more than one entry of the clicklist }\quotation{at the same time ? Is there a method where i can find a whole }\quotation{selected range ? (And how can I find out, which button he uses to }\quotation{click on the entries? I think there is something like this in the }\quotation{valuev.ch - but I could not figure out how to let it work. It seems }\quotation{that only inputs with the left mouse-button acutally cause a callback... } The clicklist view was designed as a simple way to get back a single clicked-upon string from the user, and these options are simply not supported. You could make your own subclass of clklist or cltextview that would support these, or you could try using the stringtable object (atk/util/strtbl.c). If you need a quick option that doesn't require programming, you could use the menterstrv view , and just tell your users to type an X after each choice that applies. See the Adew reference manual for info on menterstrv. Good luck, Tom \enddata{text,538701360} \enddata{text822, 40377} \begindata{text822, 43626} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:07:01 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13565; Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:51:27 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 7 Jan 93 16:49:57 GMT From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mucs!lucs!daves@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Shield) Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Subject: Tables containing rasters Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu We have been experiencing problems with printing tables where one of the cells contains a raster image (or any other inset that produces PostScript output directly). Rather than printing the raster, the final document appears with the _text_ of the PostScript instead. What appears to be happening is that table uses a troff diversion to hold the body of each row, to ensure that page breaks can occur when required. This means that the troff is processed twice - once for the diversion, and again when the macro is executed. The PostScript is protected by a single level of transparency, which is stripped off during the diversion. Hence, when the macro is executed, the PostScript is no longer passed through unchanged, and gets printed like everything else. This is all using DITroff. Groff does what you would expect (even though it technically shouldn't). Any ideas? (Other than 'use groff'!) Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Shield Janet: D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Dept. of Computer Science, I'net: D.T.Shield@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Liverpool University, "I _order_ you to help! PO Box 147, You're a machine and you must do Liverpool, L69 3BX what you're told." T. Pratchett, _Diggers_ \enddata{text822, 43626} \begindata{text822, 46243} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:22:12 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA14678; Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:20:25 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 8 Jan 93 01:56:53 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!ftlsw.telematics.com!ted@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ted Goldblatt) Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL Subject: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ? Message-Id: <1993Jan8.015653.23570@telematics.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm interested in running Andrew on a SparcClassic, which means under Solaris 2.x (a :-(, I think, but maybe I'm wrong). I just started reading this group and I thought I saw a comment implying that Andrew had not yet been ported to run in this environment. Is this true? (If it helps, we will (I believe) be running X11R5, not OpenWindows (am I getting all of my mixed caps right?)) If it doesn't yet run under Solaris 2.x, is anyone working on a port, and are there any guesses as to availability? Thanx! ted -- Ted Goldblatt ted@telematics.com (305) 351-4367 Telematics Intl., Inc. Ft. Lauderdale, FL \enddata{text822, 46243} \begindata{text822, 48211} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:21:03 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:20:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , Dave Shield Subject: Re: Tables containing rasters Cc: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: The "official" answer is that rasters don't print in tables. Sigh. It is pleasant to learn that it does work under groff. The inability of printing rasters in tables has long been a deficiency of AUIS, but it has not been easy to see how to fix the problem within the current printing technology. Perhaps printing technology is something we should discuss at the annual meeting. Fred Hansen Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon (412) 268-6788 wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu \enddata{text822, 48211} \begindata{text822, 50036} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:24:00 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:22:21 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05509; Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:22:08 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA05496; Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:22:06 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:22:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:22:05 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, agate!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!ftlsw.telematics.com!ted@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ted Goldblatt) Subject: Re: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ? In-Reply-To: <1993Jan8.015653.23570@telematics.com> References: <1993Jan8.015653.23570@telematics.com> This month I will be finding out why EZ compiled for SunOS 4.1.2 core dumps when run in Binary Compatibility mode under Solaris2. I'll be interested in email exchange with anyone else doing Solaris2 work. -wdc \enddata{text822, 50036} \begindata{text822, 51998} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:38:13 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA14526; Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:31:59 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 8 Jan 93 19:31:39 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ? Message-Id: <16288@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <1993Jan8.015653.23570@telematics.com>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >This month I will be finding out why EZ compiled for SunOS 4.1.2 core >dumps when run in Binary Compatibility mode under Solaris2. It works fine for me, although it could be working here because of some of the hacks I've added. Note, though, that *other* applications won't work because, apparently, the binary-compatibility-mode run-time linker appears not to allow run-time dynamic loading (with "dlopen()") of shareable objects from SunOS 4.x. As such, a real port may be necessary. >I'll be interested in email exchange with anyone else doing Solaris2 work. If anybody's doing such a port, they should note that: 1) the main reason I wrote a version of the "class" dynamic loader that sat atop "-ldl" was to prevent somebody from writing a version that understood ELF images - SVR4 has "-ldl" also (actually, AT&T invented the API for it, and Sun picked it up for 4.1[.x]). 2) the pseudo-tty mechanism is different. 3) the net result of such a port may, if done right, amount not just to a Solaris 2.x port, but to a generic SVR4 port. \enddata{text822, 51998} \begindata{text822, 54424} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 9 Jan 93 11:39:14 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11945; Sat, 9 Jan 93 08:36:30 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Jan 93 08:54:13 GMT From: uunet.ca!xenitec!vances@uunet.uu.net (Vance Shipley) Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA Subject: Re: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ? Message-Id: <1993Jan09.085413.2896@xenitec.on.ca> References: <1993Jan8.015653.23570@telematics.com>, , <16288@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <16288@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes: > 3) the net result of such a port may, if done right, amount not > just to a Solaris 2.x port, but to a generic SVR4 port. This would be nice :). I'd dearly love to have Andrew on my SCO ODT boxes. -- Vance Shipley vances@xenitec.on.ca vances@switchview.com vances@ltg.uucp \enddata{text822, 54424} \begindata{text822, 56225} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 9 Jan 93 15:39:57 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA19492; Sat, 9 Jan 93 12:30:50 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Jan 93 19:23:45 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Andrew under Solaris 2.x ? Message-Id: <16312@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: , <16288@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, <1993Jan09.085413.2896@xenitec.on.ca> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >> 3) the net result of such a port may, if done right, amount not >> just to a Solaris 2.x port, but to a generic SVR4 port. > >This would be nice :). I'd dearly love to have Andrew on my SCO ODT boxes. Well, then, a generic SVR4 port wouldn't help you, because SCO's UNIX is based on SVR3, not SVR4, from everything I've heard; unless SCO has added SVR4-style pseudo-ttys (which are rather different from BSD-style pseudo-ttys), and has added an SVR4-style "-ldl" library, there're going to be things in the SVR4 port that won't work worth a damn under SCO UNIX. Besides, ATK 5.1 *already* appears to include SCO UNIX support, and, as far as I know, SCO ODT is basically SCO UNIX + SCO's X11 implementation (the impression I have is that SCO UNIX : SCO ODT :: SunOS :: Solaris - i.e., the latter, in both cases, is the former plus a window system; and yes, even Solaris 2.x includes SunOS, SunOS 5.x to be specific). \enddata{text822, 56225} \begindata{text822, 58530} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:30:43 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:27:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:27:17 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2239+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Static linking ATK apps \begindata{text,538766644} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Technical discussion and request for ideas follows, feel free to skip this message... We are currently working on a mechanism whereby a runapp can be automagically linked with a given set of classes statically loaded. (We are also woring on eliminating the assembly language trampoline code in the dynamic loading system, and providing dummy dynamic loading functions for machines without dynamic loading support.) The current scheme modifies the rules for making a .do file to install a list of the object files used, and a list of the libraries used, and a list of the classes references by the object files included in the .do. (Or which would be if a real .do was being generated.) A program has been written which uses this information to construct a list of the object files and libraries needed given a list of classes which are desired... For example supplying the list: eza xws to this program lists all the object files and libraries needed for the most basic runapp, and generates an appropriate statload.c. The difficulty at this point is that the libraries must be re-ordered by hand. (Since depending on what objects are pulled out of library A it might depend on library B, necessitating library B coming after library A on the link line.) Currently I am thinking of solving this by having a master list of libraries (and -L and -l switches) with an associated priority indicating where the argument should fall in the argument list. Any unknown libraries would be placed (in no particular order) before the known libraries. There are a few problems with this approach of course. First, if there are dependencies between user supplied libraries they must be added to the master list. Second, the dependencies between libraries may depend on which .o files get pulled out. The main goal all of this is striving to achieve is eliminating the need to get dynamic loading working for ATK to be useful on a new platform. So ideally the solution to ordering the libraries would be machine/OS independent. If you have any thoughts on the matter we would be happy to hear them. (Probably best just to reply to me, if there is general interest I'll summarize.) Thanks for any ideas, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538766644} \enddata{text822, 58530} \begindata{text822, 61980} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:28:54 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA23305; Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:17:58 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Jan 93 14:14:59 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!olivea!inews.Intel.COM!ilx018.intel.com!iancu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Igal Iancu) Organization: Intel Israel (74) Ltd. Subject: New to Andrew Message-Id: <1irvd3INN16gk@ilx018.intel.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I am new to the Andrew system and am actually looking for a system to replace our mail system and maybe some other database services. We are a site with roughly 600 workstations (AIX 3.2, i486 SVR4 on NCR and a bunch of Sparc and sun386i). We have AFS installed for the AIX machines and the rest use NFS. In addition, we have ~200 PCs using PC-NFS and Novell. Mail is heavily based on an Ultrix server which speaks smtp (sendmail) and DECnet. It houses also a central /usr/spool/mail which is mounted by all clients using NFS. I am looking for a system which will not have a single point of failure, and maybe supplies some other goodies. Can anyone share their experience with moving to Andrew (if applicable) , and how does it fit with the above site description. Please reply by mail. Thanks in advance, Igal Iancu Systems Engineering Intel Corporation iancu@iil.intel.com \enddata{text822, 61980} \begindata{text822, 64255} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:44:12 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26530; Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:32:10 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Jan 93 16:33:57 GMT From: enterpoop.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!cs.kun.nl!robd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Duin) Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands Subject: Messages options Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello everbody, The Messages program has some known options as -s for ~/sendmessageinit -m for only reading mail -w for separate windows for each region I wonder if there is also an option that prevents "messages" from accessing the /var/spool/mail directory at startup time. I just want to read the bulletin boards. Does anybody know? Yes, I can set "unset hold" in my ".mailrc", but that file can also be used by other programs, so that is not a very good solution. I am asking this, because at our site some people use messages and some want to use Eudora at their Mac's. We can not tell everyone to use the AMS system. Hope you can help. Rob Duin -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rob Duin, Department of Informatics, University of Nijmegen, P.O. 9010, 6500 GL Nijmegen ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ \enddata{text822, 64255} \begindata{text822, 66446} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:59:39 -0500 (EST) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:59:14 EST Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:59 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:58 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02273; Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:57:28 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:57:26 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:57:26 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: How to resize the window of a running application? Hello, Could anyone please give me a hint how to change the window size of a running application from within that application, to the values which are computed at run-time in a result of some user's action ? Thank you in advance, Kazimierz Zielinski fodatec@kapsch.co.at \enddata{text822, 66446} \begindata{text822, 68268} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:24:42 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , enterpoop.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!cs.kun.nl!robd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Duin) Subject: Re: Messages options In-Reply-To: References: You could try setting "MailboxFile:/dev/null" in your .preferences file. This should work, provided "MAIL" is left undefined in your envrionment. -Bob \enddata{text822, 68268} \begindata{text822, 70255} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:51:27 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:48:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:48:43 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 3672+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , iancu@iil.intel.com (Igal Iancu) Subject: Re: New to Andrew In-Reply-To: <1irvd3INN16gk@ilx018.intel.com> References: <1irvd3INN16gk@ilx018.intel.com> \begindata{text,3032408} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 11-Jan-93 New to Andrew Igal Iancu@ucbvax.Berkel (966)} \quotation{We are a site with roughly 600 workstations (AIX 3.2, i486 SVR4 on NCR and }\quotation{a bunch of Sparc and sun386i). We have AFS installed for the AIX machines }\quotation{and the rest use NFS. In addition, we have ~200 PCs using PC-NFS and Novell. } \quotation{Mail is heavily based on an Ultrix server which speaks smtp (sendmail) and }\quotation{DECnet. It houses also a central /usr/spool/mail which is mounted by }\quotation{all clients using NFS. } \quotation{I am looking for a system which will not have a single point of failure, }\quotation{and maybe supplies some other goodies. } This seems like the obvious time to mention AMDS (Andrew Message Delivery System), which is part of the Andrew distribution. AMDS itself is a local mail system for AFS clients. It can be configured without a single point-of-failure for the system as a whole. It was originally developed jointly with AFS and the rest of Andrew, including AMS message-handling clients that know how to exploit features of AMDS. AMDS accepts mail for local users of the AFS cell and delivers each message into a separate file in a subdirectory of the user's AFS home directory (~userid/Mailbox by default, but configurable). Outgoing mail is sent through a variety of queues (in AFS). AMDS expects that some other system will be responsible for off-site mail delivery. As delivered, it expects to use sendmail in this role, but most any system would be OK. The usual configuration has sendmail running only on a subset of the AFS cell's machines, called ``post office machines'' (PO machines). (These machines are generally listed as the MX recipients of mail going to the domain with the name of the AFS cell.) Mail for the AFS cell's domain arrives from outside via SMTP at one of these PO machines and is injected into the AMDS queues. AMDS daemons running on the PO machines deliver mail from these queues to its recipients, whether local or remote. Remote delivery is accomplished by invoking the long-haul mailer of choice, configured as sendmail as AMDS comes out of the box. So why AMDS? \leftindent{- it deals with AFS transient failures - it is relatively well-featured, including a decent distribution list mechanism and fancy name pattern-matching - it is well-integrated with the rest of Andrew - it can be made independent of a single-point-of-failure, with replicated AFS volumes and multiple PO machines} Why not AMDS? \leftindent{- mail arrives in ~userid/Mailbox/*, not exactly the same as /usr/spool/mail/userid - it's something novel to administer } AMDS uses a ``white pages'' database of AFS accounts, ultimately listing mail destinations or addresses for all accounts in the cell. Users who want their mail in places other than the AFS cell can easily forward AMDS mail to that other address. Carnegie-Mellon, by all measures a large installation, runs several server machines running Unix (AFS clients) where people using PCs and Macs can connect up their client programs to special AMS services. The software that they use for this, on both the PC and Mac end as well as on the Unix end, isn't on the Andrew distribution, but the last I heard there was no problem anticipated with releasing this software on roughly the same terms as the existing Andrew distribution. To be reasonably complete, the folks at Carnegie-Mellon are looking for a successor to AMS (including AMDS). My reading of that, which they're clearly able to challenge, is that AMS (the mail user agent end) provides a bboard system that's pretty expensive to implement as mere AFS files and directories, but most AMDS features are still useful in their environment. Hope this helps. Craig \enddata{text,3032408} \enddata{text822, 70255} \begindata{text822, 75558} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 2368;andrew.cmu.edu;Douglas F. DeJulio Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sushi.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from sushi.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sushi.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.sushi.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:15:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fInHaS00WogM6hEU4@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:15:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 321+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Messages options In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,271206156} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \quotation{I wonder if there is also an option that prevents "messages" from accessing the /var/spool/mail directory at startup time. I just want to read the bulletin boards. Does anybody know? } If you set the \bold{PersonalMailCollectionCommand:} preference to \bold{/bin/true}, you should get the result you want. -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu \enddata{text,271206156} \enddata{text822, 75558} \begindata{text822, 77515} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:56:03 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:54:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4fIns9G00WohAsZHwz@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:54:17 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 867+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: How to resize the window of a running application? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539208612} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 12-Jan-93 How to resize the window of.. Fodatec Project@harare.k (274)} \quotation{Could anyone please give me a hint how to change the window size of a }\quotation{running application from within that application, to the values which }\quotation{are computed at run-time in a result of some user's action ? } There are methods in andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c that do what you want: xim__ResizeWindow(self, w, h) xim__MoveWindow(self, x, y) These methods don't seem to be fully integrated into the system because they don't appear in xim.ch and you would also expect there to be empty, dummy routines in im.c that these would override. This might imply that there is a problem with these routines.... anybody know? You \bold{should} be able to use these guys in your code, like so: #include im_ResizeWindow(fooview_GetIM(self), newWidth, newHeight); Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539208612} \enddata{text822, 77515} \begindata{text822, 79779} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 13 Jan 1993 15:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 13 Jan 1993 15:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 13 Jan 93 15:17:03 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA12201; Wed, 13 Jan 93 12:11:53 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Jan 93 09:19:27 GMT From: enterpoop.mit.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!Germany.EU.net!Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE!tommy!klute@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rainer Klute) Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Subject: Re: New to Andrew Message-Id: <1j0mqvINNh4u@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> References: <1irvd3INN16gk@ilx018.intel.com>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article , Craig_Everhart@TRANSARC.COM writes: |> Why not AMDS? |> - mail arrives in ~userid/Mailbox/*, not exactly the same as |> /usr/spool/mail/userid |> - it's something novel to administer Is it possible to confige the "messages" application to behave like other mail user agents and does not use the ADMS? -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 \enddata{text822, 79779} \begindata{text822, 81878} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 13 Jan 93 23:18:40 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29174; Wed, 13 Jan 93 20:09:51 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Jan 93 16:34:57 GMT From: panix!miner@nyu.edu (Ed Miner) Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Subject: More Printing with ez questions? Message-Id: <1993Jan13.163457.241@panix.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello, first of all i wanted to thank all of you who responded to my question concerning ez and margins (thanks a lot). And now i have two other questions? 1. Can you import man pages into ez, and print them? 2. How can i print a c file, with the special indentation, and the comments italicized, and functions bold, whenever I try to print the c file, i just get a plain ascii version. How can i have it print the c file as it is shown on the screen? thanks ed \enddata{text822, 81878} \begindata{text822, 83615} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 14 Jan 93 10:05:42 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA28659; Thu, 14 Jan 93 07:01:16 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Jan 93 10:54:50 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: How to resize the window of a running application? Message-Id: <1993Jan14.105450.27628@adobe.com> References: <4fIns9G00WohAsZHwz@andrew.cmu.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <4fIns9G00WohAsZHwz@andrew.cmu.edu> gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim) writes: > Excerpts from misc: 12-Jan-93 How to resize the window of.. Fodatec > Project@harare.k (274) > > > Could anyone please give me a hint how to change the window size of a > > running application from within that application, to the values which > > are computed at run-time in a result of some user's action ? > > There are methods in andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c that do what you want: > > xim__ResizeWindow(self, w, h) > xim__MoveWindow(self, x, y) > > These methods don't seem to be fully integrated into the system because > they don't appear in xim.ch and you would also expect there to be empty, > dummy routines in im.c that these would override. This might imply that > there is a problem with these routines.... anybody know? My guess: they're basically impossible to implement under wm. I.e. historical lossage that you can ignore. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 83615} \begindata{text822, 86103} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8158;andrew.cmu.edu;David Anderson Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:27:51 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:23:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: David Anderson X-Andrew-Message-Size: 102+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , panix!miner@nyu.edu (Ed Miner) Subject: Re: More Printing with ez questions? In-Reply-To: <1993Jan13.163457.241@panix.com> References: <1993Jan13.163457.241@panix.com> \begindata{text,539087420} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} 1. Can you import man pages into ez, and print them? rofftext -man manpage.1 | ezprint ... --david \enddata{text,539087420} \enddata{text822, 86103} \begindata{text822, 87521} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:51:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fJNc9K00WohBEN24o@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 11:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: How to resize the window of a running application? Cc: In-Reply-To: References: You need to build in andrew/atk/basics ... that will put the newly compiled modules in libbasics.a and then build in andrew/atk/apps ... that will link in the new modules into runapp: % cd andrew/atk % make Install SUBDIRS="basics apps" Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 87521} \begindata{text822, 88940} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 12:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 12:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 12:23:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 12:23:33 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1273+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: More Printing with ez questions? CC: panix!miner@nyu.edu (Ed Miner) In-Reply-To: <1993Jan13.163457.241@panix.com> References: <1993Jan13.163457.241@panix.com> \begindata{text,538940492} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 13-Jan-93 More Printing with ez quest.. Ed Miner@nyu.edu (469)} \quotation{1. Can you import man pages into ez, and print them? }\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 14-Jan-93 Re: More Printing with ez q.. David Anderson (102+0)} \quotation{ rofftext -man manpage.1 | ezprint ... } Rofftext does a fair job of rendering a man page for viewing on the display, but printing the result will probably not render anything sufficiently close to the way the man page was supposed to print . If you are writing some sort of help application that works off of man pages, you may be better off supplying a special print function that goes back to the source to print them properly, (a simple system call should suffice) . Depending on your goals, you may also want to consider viewing the man pages w/ troff -man manpage.1 | preview \quotation{2. How can i print a c file, with the special indentation, and the comments }\quotation{italicized, and functions bold, whenever I try to print the c file, i just }\quotation{get a plain ascii version. How can i have it print the c file as it is }\quotation{shown on the screen?} Just run ezprint foo.c or chose 'print' from the ez menu. If this doesn't work, try putting addfiletype .c ctext in your .atkinit file, if it isn't there. Have fun, Tom N. \enddata{text,538940492} \enddata{text822, 88940} \begindata{text822, 91675} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:44:30 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:40:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4fJPCfD0BwxIRQnFF2@transarc.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:40:43 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 334+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) Subject: Re: New to Andrew In-Reply-To: <1j0mqvINNh4u@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> References: <1irvd3INN16gk@ilx018.intel.com>, , <1j0mqvINNh4u@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> \begindata{text,3431696} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 13-Jan-93 Re: New to Andrew Rainer Klute@ucbvax.Berk (572)} \quotation{Is it possible to confige the "messages" application to behave like other }\quotation{mail user agents and does not use the ADMS? } Of course. This is how most sites use it. It should run that way as you pull it off the distribution. Craig \enddata{text,3431696} \enddata{text822, 91675} \begindata{text822, 93608} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 15 Jan 1993 04:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Jan 1993 04:59:19 -0500 (EST) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 15 Jan 93 04:58:40 EST Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 10:59 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Fri, 15 Jan 1993 10:59 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09063; Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:58:32 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Fri, 15 Jan 1993 10:58:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 10:58:31 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1478+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application? In-Reply-To: <1993Jan14.105450.27628@adobe.com> References: <4fIns9G00WohAsZHwz@andrew.cmu.edu> <1993Jan14.105450.27628@adobe.com> \begindata{text,1398592} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Many thanks to Gary Keim from Andrew Consortium for helping solving our problem with resizing windows. \excerptedcaption{ Excerpts from info-andrew: 14-Jan-93 Re: How to resize the windo.. Zalman Stern@decwrl.dec. (1140)} \quotation{My guess: they're basically impossible to implement under wm. I.e. }\quotation{historical lossage that you can ignore. } We haven't though ignored our 'historical lossage' and the following is working for us now (with X11 environment): 1) Add to the \bold{methods} in atk/basics/common/\bold{im.c}\bold{h}: \typewriter{ ResizeWindow (int width, int height) returns boolean; MoveWindow (long x, long y) returns boolean; } 2) Add to atk/basics/common/\bold{im.c}: \typewriter{boolean im__ResizeWindow(self, width, height) struct im *self; int width, height; \{ printf("im_ResizeWindow: deferred method\\n"); return FALSE; \} boolean im__MoveWindow(self, x, y) struct im *self; long x, y; \{ printf("im_MoveWindow: deferred method\\n"); return FALSE; \} }3) Add to the \bold{overrides} part of atk/basics/x/\bold{xim.ch}: \typewriter{ ResizeWindow (int width, int height) returns boolean; MoveWindow (long x, long y) returns boolean; } 4) % touch atk/basics/x/xim.c 5) Install changes by: % cd andrew/atk % make Install SUBDIRS="basics apps" 6) After this you can use: \typewriter{#include im_ResizeWindow(fooview_GetIM(self), newWidth, newHeight); }and analogously im_MoveWindow. (Points 5 and 6 come unchanged from Gary Keim). Both routines work as expected ! (SunSparc2, Andrew 5.0.0, NCD X-Term) Kazimierz Zielinski fodatec@kapsch.co.at\ \enddata{text,1398592} \enddata{text822, 93608} \begindata{text822, 97129} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 16 Jan 1993 01:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Jan 1993 01:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 16 Jan 93 01:37:24 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA10951; Fri, 15 Jan 93 22:24:20 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Jan 93 21:48:13 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application? Message-Id: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <1993Jan14.105450.27628@adobe.com>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >We haven't though ignored our 'historical lossage' and the following is >working for us now (with X11 environment): Actually, I'd assumed that the "historical lossage" to which Zalman Stern was referring wasn't the resize operations, but the lack of dummy resize operations in "im.c" - i.e., > > These methods don't seem to be fully integrated into the system because > > they don't appear in xim.ch and you would also expect there to be empty, > > dummy routines in im.c that these would override. This might imply that > > there is a problem with these routines.... anybody know? > > My guess: they're basically impossible to implement under wm. I.e. > historical lossage that you can ignore. was intended to say "the only problem with those routines is that they're impossible to implement under 'wm', so the lack of the dummy routines in 'im.c', and the lack of declarations in 'xim.ch', is historical lossage which you may ignore; go ahead and make the resize operations work under X, and don't worry about 'wm'." Then again, I consider the fact that Andrew's keyboard event input model is based on a Heathkit H19-style stream of input characters to be another example of "wm"-based historical lossage; I wish its keyboard input event model were better tied to modern window systems, including but not limited to X.... \enddata{text822, 97129} \begindata{text822, 99857} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 16 Jan 1993 02:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Jan 1993 02:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 16 Jan 93 02:37:28 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13777; Fri, 15 Jan 93 23:34:33 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Jan 93 22:55:48 GMT From: xrxedds!xrxedds!liebman@uunet.uu.net (Chris Liebman) Organization: Xerox EDDS, Herndon, Va. Subject: problem centering a table Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I am having a problem getting a table centered. It works on the screen, but when it is pronted it is always left justified! I am using groff to process the output. Any ideas? -- Chris -- Chris Liebman Work Home Internet: liebman@xrxedds.com liebman@zod.xrxedds.com UUCP: uunet!xrxedds!liebman uunet!bopper!zod!liebman Phone: 1-703-787-2032 1-703-378-2715 \enddata{text822, 99857} \begindata{text822, 101512} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 16 Jan 1993 10:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Jan 1993 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 16 Jan 93 10:52:45 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA00631; Sat, 16 Jan 93 07:45:29 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Jan 93 05:30:04 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: problem centering a table Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 15-Jan-93 problem centering a table Chris Liebman@xrxedds.UU (369) > I am having a problem getting a table centered. It works on the > screen, but when it is pronted it is always left justified! I'm afraid it can't be done, in general styles affect only text. You might be able to work out Troff, or Postscript magic to put before and after the table to get it centered though. (See the groff documentation, and the ez help files.) -Rob \enddata{text822, 101512} \begindata{text822, 103363} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 01:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 01:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Jan 93 01:23:35 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA18481; Sat, 16 Jan 93 22:07:43 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Jan 93 05:51:58 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application? Message-Id: <1993Jan17.055158.8543@adobe.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article fodatec@HARARE.KAPSCH.CO.AT (Fodatec Project) writes: > Many thanks to Gary Keim from Andrew Consortium for helping solving our > problem with resizing windows. > > Excerpts from info-andrew: 14-Jan-93 Re: How to resize the windo.. > Zalman Stern@decwrl.dec. (1140) > > > My guess: they're basically impossible to implement under wm. I.e. > > historical lossage that you can ignore. > >We haven't though ignored our 'historical lossage' and the following is >working for us now (with X11 environment): Unless you implemented these methods in the wm specific subclass of im, then you ignored the historical lossage I was pointing out. Once upon a time, ATK had a "least common denominator" policy with a windowing system called wm which was more primitive than X11 (but smaller, faster, and more "loveable"(*)). It would be hard to implement move and resize window operations under wm so they might have become "second class" methods which were in the xim interface but not in im itself. (*) As in James Gosling's comment that "you can learn to love anything." -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 103363} \begindata{text822, 106057} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 13:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 13:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Jan 93 13:24:55 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA25357; Sun, 17 Jan 93 10:13:48 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Jan 93 06:08:46 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application? Message-Id: <1993Jan17.060846.8650@adobe.com> References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes: > >We haven't though ignored our 'historical lossage' and the following is > >working for us now (with X11 environment): > > Actually, I'd assumed that the "historical lossage" to which Zalman > Stern was referring wasn't the resize operations, but the lack of dummy > resize operations in "im.c" - i.e., > > > > These methods don't seem to be fully integrated into the system because > > > they don't appear in xim.ch and you would also expect there to be empty, > > > dummy routines in im.c that these would override. This might imply that > > > there is a problem with these routines.... anybody know? > > > > My guess: they're basically impossible to implement under wm. I.e. > > historical lossage that you can ignore. > > was intended to say "the only problem with those routines is that > they're impossible to implement under 'wm', so the lack of the dummy > routines in 'im.c', and the lack of declarations in 'xim.ch', is > historical lossage which you may ignore; go ahead and make the resize > operations work under X, and don't worry about 'wm'." Yeah. That says it better than even my second try. > Then again, I consider the fact that Andrew's keyboard event input model > is based on a Heathkit H19-style stream of input characters to be > another example of "wm"-based historical lossage; I wish its keyboard > input event model were better tied to modern window systems, including > but not limited to X.... I find it somewhat sad to read this newsgroup and see people discuss the same changes we discussed when I was working on the project and very little in the way of interesting new work. (E.g. Rob Ryan's static linking post. Especially since many OSes now implement dynamic loading as a system service.) The user interface has evolved little and the software written in ATK is hardly interesting compared to commercial products I use on a daily basis. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 106057} \begindata{text822, 109594} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 14:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 14:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Jan 93 14:39:38 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27625; Sun, 17 Jan 93 11:37:40 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Jan 93 13:18:23 GMT From: xrxedds!xrxedds!liebman@uunet.uu.net (Chris Liebman) Organization: Xerox EDDS, Herndon, Va. Subject: color printing Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello world, Has anybody gotten color printing to work yet? While looking at the font mapping table I noticed #ifdefs for COLORPRINTINGWORKS. It almost works! 1) It *prints* the string "0 0 0 setrgbcolor" on the paper instead of passing it along to the postscript printer. 2) The color values are always 0 ie. "0 0 0". I really have not looked in to these too far yet. Just thought I'd ask to see if anyone else had gotten them to work. -- Chris -- Chris Liebman Work Home Internet: liebman@xrxedds.com liebman@zod.xrxedds.com UUCP: uunet!xrxedds!liebman uunet!bopper!zod!liebman Phone: 1-703-787-2032 1-703-378-2715 \enddata{text822, 109594} \begindata{text822, 111514} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 16:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 16:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Jan 93 16:10:12 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29903; Sun, 17 Jan 93 12:58:33 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Jan 93 07:15:25 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) Message-Id: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: Solution: How to resize.. Zalman Stern@adobe.com (2188) > I find it somewhat sad to read this newsgroup and see people discuss the > same changes we discussed when I was working on the project and very little > in the way of interesting new work. What work would be interesting? The work that is interesting for us is that which Andrew Consortium members express an interest in. Six major projects undertaken during this past year were a real drawing editor(a great improvement over zip), support for color images, conversion of keyboard macros to ness code, a preferences editor, new parsing and lexing classes, and reference counting for observable objects. (So that any code can ensure that an observable will not be destroyed until that particular code, or object, is done with it.) In the particular case of static loading, until relatively recently the unportability of the dynamic loading code wasn't a very important issue. It was just never mission critical that ATK be able to run a platform without dynamic loading. I almost wish it had been, arranging for static linking of arbitrary sets of classes is turning out to be very tedious. (There are many duplicate global symbols...) Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: Solution: How to resize.. Zalman Stern@adobe.com (2188) > The user interface has evolved little and the software written in > ATK is hardly interesting compared to commercial products I use on a daily > basis. I'm not sure what evolution should take place in ATK's user interface. We have added a menubar (and finally added keybinding on the menu cards,both pulldown and popup), 3d look for dialogs, and scrollbars. The keyboard macros to ness converter probably represents the most profound evolution of ATK's interface in recent years. Any comments on where the UI should go? -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 111514} \begindata{text822, 114850} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 23052;andrew.cmu.edu;Daniel C. Wang Received: from unix9.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix9.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix9.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix9.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:38:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fKRzbi00WB_8Ac2Rl@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel C. Wang" To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: Solution: How > to resize.. Zalman Stern@adobe.com (2188) > > > I find it somewhat sad to read this newsgroup and see people discuss the > > same changes we discussed when I was working on the project and very little > > in the way of interesting new work. > > What work would be interesting? The work that is interesting for us is My $.02. 1. An extension language other than ness. I'd prefer something along the lines of lisp/scheme or Tcl. 2. A better editor than ez. Which like all other ATK apps has been called a 'proof of concept application.' I would like to see something along the lines of a multimedia emacs. 3. A port to C++ ( This is more wishful thinking than a request) > Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: Solution: How > to resize.. Zalman Stern@adobe.com (2188) > > > The user interface has evolved little and the software written in > > ATK is hardly interesting compared to commercial products I use on a daily > > basis. > > I'm not sure what evolution should take place in ATK's user interface. > We have added a menubar (and finally added keybinding on the menu > cards,both pulldown and popup), 3d look for dialogs, and scrollbars. > The keyboard macros to ness converter probably represents the most > profound evolution of ATK's interface in recent years. Any comments on > where the UI should go? > > -Rob Ryan > Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 114850} \begindata{text822, 117568} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 18:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 18:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 18:34:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 18:34:54 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 4012+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: "Daniel C. Wang" Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,538929552} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (2437)} \quotation{I've recently begun playing around with Tk/Tcl, and find the ability }\quotation{to rapidly prototype UI's with a simple scripting language a major }\quotation{plus. Ideally ATK could adopt this approach and provided a }\quotation{prototyping language that would allow developers to manipulate the }\quotation{various ATK primitives with some sort of extension language (other }\quotation{than NESS). I'm not very familiar with the ATK source or internals so }\quotation{I don't know how difficult this would be. But I would be nice to see }\quotation{some ATK stuff incoperated with a languae like Tcl. }\excerptedcaption{ Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (1516)} \quotation{My $.02. }\quotation{1. An extension language other than ness. I'd prefer something along }\quotation{the lines of lisp/scheme or Tcl. } Such a system is one of our long term goals (ie one of the things we might get to if one or more Andrew Consortium members will let us take the time to do it :-) If it ever gets done Ness will more than likely be the extension language of choice. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (2437)} \quotation{One neat UI feature that Tcl/Tk offers was 'tear off' menus. Which }\quotation{allow you to tear off a menu card from the pull down menus and }\quotation{manipulate it like a sperate window.} I believe tear-off menus are be problematical at best under X, and worse under ATK. For example, most window managers will insist on decorating any top-level non-override redirect windows. But the ICCCM specifies that an override-redirect window should be left up only so long as the application has the keyboard and mouse grabbed. There is the concept of transient windows which receive less decoration, but it will then be necessary for anyone using tear-off menus to figure out how to customize their window manager setup to remove unwanted decoarations. Finally there is the dynamic nature of the ATK menu system, the set of menus available changes based on which view has the input focus, and often based on the view's state. (e.g. whether or not there is any text selected.) Inactive menu cards could be greyed out, or iconified, but they may also need to change size as items are added or deleted. How does Tk/Tcl do tear-offs? \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (2437)} \quotation{BTW Since ATK was develped before X11 became somewhat it must contain a }\quotation{good deal of code written to be backward compatible with other }\quotation{windowing systems. } Actually there isn't all that much, aside from the wmc specific code which is all in one directory. Our policy at this point seems to be to leave ATK usable under wmc, but not allow wmc to limit the functionality we offer to X users. \excerptedcaption{ Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (1516)} \quotation{2. A better editor than ez. Which like all other ATK apps has been }\quotation{called a 'proof of concept application.' I would like to see something }\quotation{along the lines of a multimedia emacs.} In what ways is ez not already a multimedia emacs? True ez lacks a number of features of emacs, but then emacs lacks many features of ez. (For example an indication that it is working...., one of my biggest annoyances with gnu is the random lock-up, usually due to a file server or network glitch. At least with ATK when this happens the busy cursor is usually up and will go back to the normal one when it is back.) Ness allows you to manipulate styled text and embedded insets in documents... One of the weaknesses which has always annoyed me however is that in general only procedures generally useful to be bound to keys are available to Ness scripts, which may find different procedures useful. \excerptedcaption{ Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (1516)} \quotation{3. A port to C++ ( This is more wishful thinking than a request) } Would this be useful/beneficial to you? If so how? Thanks for the input. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538929552} \enddata{text822, 117568} \begindata{text822, 123456} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 23052;andrew.cmu.edu;Daniel C. Wang Received: from yen.mg.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from yen.mg.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.yen.mg.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.yen.mg.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:39:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:39:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel C. Wang" To: Robert Andrew Ryan , Info-Andrew Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Robert Andrew Ryan writes: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. > Wang (2437) > > In what ways is ez not already a multimedia emacs? True ez lacks a > number of features of emacs, but then emacs lacks many features of ez. The biggest gripe I have with ATK in general and ez is that there is no extension language which *I* can comprehend. I haven't had the time or patience to learn NESS. Perhaps some better documentation would help. I'm always frustrated when I run across the infamous "There are no short term plans to complete the documentaion..." (At least in the ATK stuff they have installed here in the Andrew cell) With emacs, for the most part, if I don't like the way it's done, I can change the damm thing to my hearts content. To do that sort of thing with an ATK application seems to require me to rewrite the source code. Ideally I could add an extension to ez, which would present me with a few icons that I could click on to preform a task, like double space my text. Have you ever tried to expalin to someone of moderate experince how to double space text in ez, and have it *look* doubled space. It would probably goes like, "Well, select edit styles, and wait for the buffer menu editor to pop-up, click on the word (i.e. not icon) that says then pick 24 as your line spacing ...." The above example says to me that the UI needs work. > (For example an indication that it is working...., one of my biggest > annoyances with gnu is the random lock-up, usually due to a file server > or network glitch. At least with ATK when this happens the busy cursor > is usually up and will go back to the normal one when it is back.) Ness > allows you to manipulate styled text and embedded insets in documents... > One of the weaknesses which has always annoyed me however is that in > general only procedures generally useful to be bound to keys are > available to Ness scripts, which may find different procedures useful. As I said I haven't looked all that much into NESS other than a few examples like a Ness calculator which seemed incomprehensible to me. > > Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: > Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (1516) > > > 3. A port to C++ ( Thisis more wishful thinking than a request) > > Would this be useful/beneficial to you? If so how? > I'm not that much into C++, but I belive it might encourage other devlopers to intergrate ATK into their environments. It's hard enough learning the idosycrasies (sp) of one OOP environment only to have to learn a new one to use some of the intergrated multimedia features which ATK offers. PS I've been trying to learn a bit about ATK programming in general but unfortuantely N. Borenstien's book on ATK development is checkout of the library. The few "Hello world" examples in the andrew cell look neat, but with scant documentation it's hard for me to figure out what is going on. ----------------- Daniel Wang \enddata{text822, 123456} \begindata{text822, 127794} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 21:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 21:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Sun, 17 Jan 1993 21:11:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 21:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2567+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,538942816} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (3011)} \quotation{The biggest gripe I have with ATK in general and ez is that there is }\quotation{no extension language which *I* can comprehend. } There seem to be alot of people who think lisp/scheme are too esoteric to be used by ordinary people. I don't know if that is true or not, I could live with a small scheme like language. (no minutes of garbage collection for me though...) \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (3011)} \quotation{I haven't had the time or patience to learn NESS. } Indeed it may not be worth your time, in general you will probably be able to do things faster with gnu and unix utilities. Unless of course you want to deal with styled text. (Speaking of which I should see about getting a function into ness to read metamail richtext...) \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (3011)} \quotation{Perhaps some better documentation would help. } Better end user documentation is in the works. Whether it will cover the level of detail needed to be able to effectively use ness I don't know. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (3011)} \quotation{ I'm always frustrated when I run across the infamous }\quotation{"There are no short term plans to complete the documentaion..." (At }\quotation{least in the ATK stuff they have installed here in the Andrew cell) } Unfortunately this situation is likely to remain for awhile yet. If you'd like to look at a sample of what a previous beginning ATK programmer did, you might check out /afs/andrew/system/src/contributed/ks. (It's a "Kitchen Sink", implementing Mac style backspace, and a few other odds and ends.) I think one of the failings of Nathaniel's book is the focus on creating an inset. Many people could probably do everything they need/want with packages of proctable entries. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Daniel C. Wang (3011)} \quotation{With emacs, for the most part, if I don't like the way it's done, I }\quotation{can change the damm thing to my hearts content. To do that sort of }\quotation{thing with an ATK application seems to require me to rewrite the }\quotation{source code. } True, comes from writing the extension language first, and basing the editor on it. vs.. writing a bunch of C code and then realizing "Oops, we need an extension language." (My interpretation...) Updating the look, feel and appearance of lookz is on the list of projects awaiting time... Thanks for the interest, I wish ATK had more to offer than it does at present. -Rob \enddata{text,538942816} \enddata{text822, 127794} \begindata{text822, 132102} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 03:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 03:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Jan 93 03:10:18 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA18364; Mon, 18 Jan 93 00:06:24 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Jan 93 06:01:48 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) Message-Id: <1993Jan18.060148.19360@adobe.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: > True, comes from writing the extension language first, and basing the > editor on it. vs.. writing a bunch of C code and then realizing "Oops, > we need an extension language." (My interpretation...) No, this wasn't an accident. ATK was designed with the notion that dynamic loading of insets and other types of code provided enough extensibility to alleviate the need for an extension language. (Which would have among other things, produced a larger toolkit than we had in mind. At the time, a minimal ATK application was supposed to run in 200k of memory.) And to a large extent this has worked. Ez has many extensions that one can load (a few search packages, ispell support, ctext, compile, etc.). For all that elisp gives emacs, it has done little that is of interest to non-hackers. There is a great deal of comlexity in the program because of the extension mechanism and the user interface is not extensible in a meaningful fashion. (Look at the lack of GUI features in emacs. Look at the effort that went into epoch.) Almost no sucessful commercial graphical user interface applications have an extension language. (AutoCAD is the only one I can think of.) Many of them have so called "plug-in" interfaces where one can dynamically load extension code. Many have macro languages which can be handled by proctable like machinery. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 132102} \begindata{text822, 135149} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 04:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 04:34:40 -0500 (EST) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dw3u+; Mon, 18 Jan 93 04:34:23 EST Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:35 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:35 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12175; Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:34:08 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:34:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:34:08 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1850+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Robert Andrew Ryan , Info-Andrew , "Daniel C. Wang" Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,1565048} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. "Daniel C. Wang"@andrew. (3012)} \quotation{> > > 3. A port to C++ ( Thisis more wishful thinking than a request) }\quotation{> > Would this be useful/beneficial to you? If so how? }\quotation{> } \quotation{I'm not that much into C++, but I belive it might encourage other }\quotation{devlopers to intergrate ATK into their environments. It's hard }\quotation{enough learning the idosycrasies (sp) of one OOP environment only to }\quotation{have to learn a new one to use some of the intergrated multimedia }\quotation{features which ATK offers. } Im work with ATK for two years. My experience I obtained in these years was, that ATK class precompiler is even less than a "poor man's object oriented language". A very important missing feature is the inheritance of data. Although data can be addressed from subclasses, you have to know were they first occur, so you are able to address them with eg. self->header.parentclass.xy . In object oriented languages all features of a parentclass should be iherited! Beside that "class" is a precompiler, compiling into dangerous defines in *.ih and *.eh files, complicated to use. Concerning inheritance of data, this should not be to hard to implement, so some data of the parentclass could be referenced with eg. self_xy. These are two points more to the statement above, which I support as well. One additional thing I do not quite understand: Was it realy useful to devide objects in views and data parts, which in my opinion is no good OOP design style. Should not all features of one object representing a part of the world be kept in one object? If we realy want to have some "data object" with several different "view objects", what argues against to implement a subclass and overwrite the display methods. ( Besides I think this feature isn't heavily used ) Christian Sodomka (e-mail Christian.Sodomka@kapsch.co.at)\ \enddata{text,1565048} \enddata{text822, 135149} \begindata{text822, 139234} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 23052;andrew.cmu.edu;Daniel C. Wang Received: from ceti.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ceti.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.ceti.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.ceti.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:49:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:49:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel C. Wang" To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: <1993Jan18.060148.19360@adobe.com> References: <1993Jan18.060148.19360@adobe.com> adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) writes: > In article rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert > Andrew Ryan) writes: > > True, comes from writing the extension language first, and basing the > > editor on it. vs.. writing a bunch of C code and then realizing "Oops, > > we need an extension language." (My interpretation...) > [Stuff deleted] > > For all that elisp gives emacs, it has done little that is of interest to > non-hackers. There is a great deal of comlexity in the program because of > the extension mechanism and the user interface is not extensible in a > meaningful fashion. (Look at the lack of GUI features in emacs. Look at the > effort that went into epoch.) > The user interface of EMACS was developed primarly for terminal character based displays, and the UI makes sense in that environment. It is unfair to IMHO to critisize EMACS lack of GUI features. I've honestly don't believe that an extension langauge will be of all that much interest to non-hackers, but for hackers and developers a well designed extension language can be used to rapidly prototype new ideas, and to compensate for the developers mistake. I remember that there was a serious request once to have seleted text deletable ala Mac, all the suggestions on how to impelement this required a moderate rewrite of the ez code and a recompile. Ideally if ATK had a sufficently robust extension system problems like this would be solved without a need to touch and C code, in a matter of seconds. \enddata{text822, 139234} \begindata{text822, 142002} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:55:47 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01151; Mon, 18 Jan 93 06:50:01 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Jan 93 15:24:39 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!rsre!ad4su1!rigotti@uunet.uu.net (Kevin Rigotti) Organization: Defence Research Agency Subject: EOS for reviewing research papers? Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu If anyone has experience of using the Educational Online System for making comments on technical papers rather than student's assignments I'd like to know what they thought of it. I don't want to have all the hassle of installing it and getting people to use it if it isn't really appropriate. I think what I'm really asking is can it cope with one submission being reviewed by several different people. My desk is permanently hidden by paper at present so any ray of hope would be very welcome. Kevin -- Email => rigotti@hermes.mod.uk Fax => +44 (0)684 894109. Post => ATC Systems Division, DRA Malvern, Malvern WR14 3PS, England -- \enddata{text822, 142002} \begindata{text822, 143939} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:44:57 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6288; Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:42:28 EST Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:39:02 CST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:38:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:38:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:38:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:38:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:38:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 474+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: text822 (messages) bug Cc: Bboard Service \begindata{text,538619776} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} \bold{-- text822 (I think) bug --} My diagnosis \smaller{(guess)}: it looks like text822 doesn't know how to _Write itself properly outside the context of the \bold{messages} application. To reproduce it: \description{ * in \bold{messages}, select "Append to File". * \bold{ez} the resultant file, and "Save As" with a .d extension (to compare later). * compare the two files. \bold{ez} the .d file again. What a mess! Datastream info shows up uninterpreted, etc etc. } Example: \footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,539057664} \textdsversion{12} \define{typewriter menu:[Font~1,Typewriter~40] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{bold menu:[Font~1,Bold~10] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{bigger menu:[Font~1,Bigger~20] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 2]} \typewriter{~> \bold{ll SavedMess*} -rw-r--r-- 1 rskm system \bold{\bigger{1109}} Jan 14 10:53 SavedMessages -rw-r--r-- 1 rskm system \bold{\bigger{ 306}} Jan 14 10:53 SavedMessages.d ~> \bold{cat SavedMessages} \\begindata\{text822, 0\} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 2224;rchland.ibm.com;Robert Kemmetmueller Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via trymail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:08:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:08:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:08:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:08:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 30+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: alter To: Robert Kemmetmueller Subject: test \\begindata\{text,538784768\} \\textdsversion\{12\} \\template\{messages\} blah blah blah this is a test \\enddata\{text,538784768\} \\enddata\{text822, 0\} ~> \bold{cat SavedMessages.d} \\begindata\{text822, 537684608\} Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 10:08:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Kemmetmueller To: Robert Kemmetmueller Subject: test blah blah blah this is a test \^{} \\textdsversion\{12\} \\template\{messages\} \\define\{global \} \\enddata\{text822,537684608\} ~> \bold{ \ }}\enddata{fnote,539057664} \view{fnotev,539057664,3,0,0}} \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,538619776} \enddata{text822, 143939} \begindata{text822, 149520} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:49:34 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6373; Mon, 18 Jan 93 10:47:12 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:48:22 CST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:48:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from andrew.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:47:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from andrew.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:47:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.andrew.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.andrew.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:47:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1343+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: C++ and ATK (was Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to ...)) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,538944512} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec Project@harare.k (1850+0)} \quotation{Im work with ATK for two years. My experience I obtained in these years was, that ATK class precompiler is even less than a "poor man's object oriented language". A very important missing feature is the inheritance of data. } The Andrew Consortium is already looking at the possibility of C++ for the toolkit. Most of the advantages are political (of course), but you do bring up at least one point that a ``real'' OO language can offer. Other advantages are from the additional tools that can be purchased for C++ designing and programming. Anyone care to make additional comments?\footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,539708672} \textdsversion{12} Without starting a religious war, please!\ \enddata{fnote,539708672} \view{fnotev,539708672,0,0,0}} \quotation{One additional thing I do not quite understand: }\quotation{Was it realy useful to devide objects in views and data parts, which in my opinion is no good OOP design style. Should not all features of one object representing a part of the world be kept in one object? }\quotation{If we realy want to have some "data object" with several different "view objects", what argues against to implement a subclass and overwrite the display methods. ( Besides I think this feature isn't heavily used ) } This is much more used that you realize. Try hitting ^X2 in a window once and see what happens. You couldn't easily do this without the dataobject/view design. -todd inglett \enddata{text,538944512} \enddata{text822, 149520} \begindata{text822, 153500} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 11:15:07 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 11:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 11:14:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 11:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2413+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,538876148} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec Project@harare.k (1850+0)} \quotation{A very important missing feature is the inheritance of data. Although data can be addressed from subclasses, you have to know were they first occur, so you are able to address them with eg. self->header.parentclass.xy . In object oriented languages all features of a parentclass should be iherited! } True, but an important constraint during the design of class was to stay as close to C as possible. Another constraint was simplicity of the class preprocessor itself, which prevented the inclusion of a complete type parser such as would be needed to completely automate all access to members. The usual technique I use when I need to access the data of a super class is: struct superclass *sc=(struct superclass *)self; Not ideal perhaps, but much more readable to me than self->header.parentclass. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec Project@harare.k (1850+0)} \quotation{Was it realy useful to devide objects in views and data parts, which in my opinion is no good OOP design style. } I believe the view/data separation was a very good decision. Where I think it fell down was in not allowing for view data to be saved. With more traditional toolkits you are often forced to use potentially circular callbacks to keep two different kinds of visual elements in sync. (Ie A tells B to update, B has to somehow know that when it is told to update by A it shouldn't tell A to update..) If the elements are views on the same dataobject the problem is solved trivially. Also, it's not clear to me how to support multiple window systems in one set of compiled binaries without the view/data separation. Also how would you go about sharing one set of data across two different X displays if there is no view/data separation? (See ^U^X2 in ez.) Another example where view/data separation wins is if your goal is to produce as small an executable as possible for some data manipulation task, with no display required, with the degree of separation ATK maintains there is no need for the executable to be linked with the X libraries, or even the view code. In UI design I believe the view/data dichotomy is really a fundamental truth. There are aspects of objects which describe what is to be presented, there are other aspects which determine how that information should be presented. -Rob\ \enddata{text,538876148} \enddata{text822, 153500} \begindata{text822, 157525} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:33:47 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:30:30 EST Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21070; Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:04:35 -0500 Received: from lupine.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 150339.22213; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:03:39 EST Received: from porter. ncd.com by lupine.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05880; Mon, 18 Jan 93 11:54:43 PST Received: by porter. ncd.com (16.8/SMI-4.1) id AA00607; Mon, 18 Jan 93 11:52:51 -0800 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.porter.HP9000.705 via MS.5.6.porter.hp700; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 11:52:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0fKkeG000000028kc0@porter> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 11:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Olander Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Pemission denied (in flock... Cc: Kris Olander I came to work this morning, and for some strange reason, I can not mark a message as being read. I get a pop up dialogue box with "Could not mark message # as 'seen'" with a corresponding error message in the footer area saying, "Error: Permission denied (in flock in OpenMSDirectory)" I'm running Messages on an HP700 host with my home file system NFS mounted from a Sun. I can create, delete, and modify files in my $HOME/.MESSAGES directory on the HP700 when I use generic UNIX commands so I don't think I'm getting restricted by NFS. One thing I should mention, the Messages process I was running last night was killed this morning by a reboot so I didn't exit Messages 'cleanly'. -Kris Olander \enddata{text822, 157525} \begindata{text822, 160079} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.emba.uvm.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:46:35 EST Received: by sadye.emba.uvm.edu id AA06096 (5.65/6.02); Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:45:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:45:55 -0500 From: Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU Message-Id: <9301182045.AA06096@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> To: Fodatec Project Cc: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> < said: > Was it realy useful to devide objects in views and data parts, which in my > opinion is no good OOP design style. Should not all features of one object > representing a part of the world be kept in one object? > If we realy want to have some "data object" with several different "view > objects", what argues against to implement a subclass and overwrite the > display methods. ( Besides I think this feature isn't heavily used ) Well, this may not make too much sense to you, but it seems to be the way that most X-based UI systems are going. It's the fundamental basis of InterViews (which is likely to become the standard C++ binding for X), and even many Xt programmers tend to use similar techniques. I'd say ATK is slightly ahead of the curve on this one. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@emba.uvm.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. uvm-gen!wollman | It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people UVM disagrees. | who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant \enddata{text822, 160079} \begindata{text822, 162662} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 17:43:38 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 17:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 17:42:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 17:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1897+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: views & dataobjects In-Reply-To: References: Distribution: world \begindata{text,538976520} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec Project@HARARE.K (1867)} \quotation{Was it realy useful to devide objects in views and data parts, which in }\quotation{my opinion is no good OOP design style. Should not all features of one }\quotation{object representing a part of the world be kept in one object? }\quotation{If we realy want to have some "data object" with several different "view }\quotation{objects", what argues against to implement a subclass and overwrite the }\quotation{display methods. ( Besides I think this feature isn't heavily used ) } In my opinion: yes. This is a great feature. Imagine that in your application builder you let the user determine the view onto some dataobject. There may be many different ways to view the data but you can actually let the user see a bunch of different views and even manipulate the data via the view, so that they can have the best possible environment for their particular tastes. An excerpt from the paper "Vee is Object-Oriented -- Not!" which can be found in the Andrew Consortium 1992 Technical Conference proceding: \leftindent{\italic{The (human) application builder uses the VEE interface builder (a program) in one of two ways in order to equate two attributes. The first way involves using the mouse to draw a connection between an attribute of one object to an attribute of another (or the same) object. \bold{Alternately, an object's attribute may be selected and a menu used to choose any of a number of possible views of the attribute.} For example, the \typewriter{height} attribute of a slider, as its type is integer, has a number of possible views, including an integer text field, a meter, a slider, a group of radio buttons presenting a choices of integers, a menu item to set the attribute to a particular value, and so on. Choosing one of these automatically instantiates the selected object with the proper connection already made.}} Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538976520} \enddata{text822, 162662} \begindata{text822, 166067} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 18 Jan 93 18:21:50 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <11569>; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:21:38 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:21:32 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:21:21 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: "Daniel C. Wang" , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) Cc: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Excerpts from ext.andrew: 17-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (4012+0) > In what ways is ez not already a multimedia emacs? Since you ask... Two problems with EZ that people here comment on are: 1) No UNDO. It's not a real editor unless it supports undo (preferably GNU Emacs-style multiple-undo). 2) No `pending delete', as in the Xerox GlobalView and Apple Macintosh editors. A third one that not so many people comment on (because they give up on EZ before they get that far), is that the support for formatting printed output is flakey -- that is, some things print, some things don't (try cross references, for example), there's no way for non-troff hackers to get various conference-and-journal-mandated formats (multiple columns, for example), and so on. Bill \enddata{text822, 166067} \begindata{text822, 168603} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b+; Mon, 18 Jan 93 18:31:23 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <11569>; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:31:09 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:31:05 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:30:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4fKnqfcB0KGWM3=gon@holmes.parc.xerox.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:30:51 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 556+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,2651336} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{global } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0)} \quotation{True, but an important constraint during the design of class was to stay as close to C as possible. } A decision which I've applauded for years now. \quotation{I believe the view/data separation was a very good decision. Where I think it fell down was in not allowing for view data to be saved. } Multiple inheritance would be a nice solution here. Make a view object which was also a dataobject, and could have yet another type of view object looking at it. Bill \enddata{text,2651336} \enddata{text822, 168603} \begindata{text822, 171192} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:26:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 561+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Pemission denied (in flock... CC: Kris Olander In-Reply-To: <0fKkeG000000028kc0@porter> References: <0fKkeG000000028kc0@porter> \begindata{text,538925992} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Jan-93 Pemission denied (in flock... Kris Olander@porter.ncd. (710*)} \quotation{One thing I should mention, the Messages process I was running last }\quotation{night was killed this morning by a reboot so I didn't exit Messages }\quotation{'cleanly'. } Sounds like NFS is still holding a lock on one of your AMS-related files. Maybe you can just find, and remove, the lock file(s). Rebooting the Sun will probably also make the problem go away. I don't have much experince with \italic{NFS lock problems} so maybe you have the knowledge that I lack. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538925992} \enddata{text822, 171192} \begindata{text822, 173141} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 23:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 23:19:20 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 23:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeta.saintjoe.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Jan 93 23:18:18 EST Received: from fearless.CompSci (fearless.saintjoe.edu) by zeta.saintjoe.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA03188; Mon, 18 Jan 93 22:16:18 CST Received: by fearless.CompSci (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00372; Mon, 18 Jan 93 22:15:50 PST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fearless.CompSci.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.fearless.CompSci.sun4_41; Mon, 18 Jan 1993 22:15:45 -0800 (GMT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 22:15:45 -0800 (GMT) From: Brian Capouch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: New Messages Icon? I'm sure there's an easy explanation here. I just added a new entry to my .AMS.flames file. It is the first time I've changed it since we ported up to the CDROM version of Andrew. I notice that the icon on unopened mail that has been sorted into the folder now is different for mail that I haven't looked at yet--it looks like a piece of paper with the bottom right corner folded up. Could anyone out there help? Thanks. Brian Capouch brianc@saintjoe.edu \enddata{text822, 173141} \begindata{text822, 175175} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 06:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 06:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 19 Jan 93 06:03:34 EST Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:04 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:04 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21248; Tue, 19 Jan 93 12:03:14 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:03:12 +0100 (MET) Resent-Message-Id: <8fKxzkqIlUc59GuEYY@harare.kapsch.co.at> Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:03:12 +0100 (MET) Resent-From: Fodatec Project If-Type-Unsupported: send Resent-To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Return-Path: Return-Path: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 20:41:49 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project X-Andrew-Message-Size: 5118+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Robert Andrew Ryan , Todd Inglett Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> \begindata{text,1635064} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0)} \quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec Project@harare.k (1850+0)} } \quotation{\quotation{A very important missing feature is the inheritance of data. Although data can be addressed from subclasses, you have to know were they first occur, so you are able to address them with eg. self->header.parentclass.xy . In object oriented languages all features of a parentclass should be iherited! }} \quotation{True, but an important constraint during the design of class was to stay as close to C as possible. Another constraint was simplicity of the class preprocessor itself, which prevented the inclusion of a complete type parser such as would be needed to completely automate all access to members. The usual technique I use when I need to access the data of a super class is: } \quotation{struct superclass *sc=(struct superclass *)self; } \quotation{Not ideal perhaps, but much more readable to me than self->header.parentclass. } The bad fact on these two solutions is not to use some (more or less complicated) C-expressions but the fact exactly to know where to inherit the data from. In any case I have to know where the data was first introduced into the inheritance tree. Not so with methods. We can safely use thisclass_somemethod, without careing about the actual location of the code in the iheritance tree - we don't have to write somesuperclass_somemethod. (actually nameing it self_somemethod would be pretty, so to loose the coupling with the module name. So we can easily change the modulename or take over some part of code change from somewhere else with less efford. This could be done easily by the precompiler, like it is done for super). The task of accessing data from above the inheritance tree is of course not trivial, but I think that the class preprocessor has to do it anyway. Methods have returnvalues. Why does the class preprocessor only check those, but not the type of data. By the way: Does somebody already have or is developing some kind of class browser? \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0)} \quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec Project@harare.k (1850+0)} } \quotation{\quotation{Was it realy useful to devide objects in views and data parts, which in my opinion is no good OOP design style. }} \quotation{I believe the view/data separation was a very good decision. Where I think it fell down was in not allowing for view data to be saved. } The last sentence nearly expresses my personal feeling, that is: data and view cannot be devided so strictly. It is even so that some view data is dependant to the type of data object behind. Just figure some view with an lpair and we want to remember the position of the seperationline. The only thing we can do is to have some data in the data object. But - since then this view only works with data objects having this data describing the position of the seperationline. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0)} \quotation{ With more traditional toolkits you are often forced to use potentially circular callbacks to keep two different kinds of visual elements in sync. (Ie A tells B to update, B has to somehow know that when it is told to update by A it shouldn't tell A to update..) If the elements are views on the same dataobject the problem is solved trivially. } I am not an expert concerning ATK in this case, but as far as I know the window updates are managed in ATK by means of observer lists. So if we have a 'combined' data-view object, I think it must be possible to implement this mechanism here as well. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0)} \quotation{Also, it's not clear to me how to support multiple window systems in one set of compiled binaries without the view/data separation. } Here I think of data which is shared among all instances of a class and data which is private for each instance ( as far as I remember this concept is implemented in Smalltalk ). With this mechanism we could generate two or more instances ( windows ) of a combined data-view object sharing the same data. You could say now: But this is only possible with the same views. You are right, but in general views must fit. We can't easily display text with a tree-view. So what against codeing both representations in one class, so we are shure this representation (view) will work with this data and decide at runtime which representation to use. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0)} \quotation{ Another example where view/data separation wins is if your goal is to produce as small an executable as possible for some data manipulation task, with no display required, with the degree of separation ATK maintains there is no need for the executable to be linked with the X libraries, or even the view code. } If this is realy the task you could generate some child class and just overwrite the display method to some empty function. -Chris\ \enddata{text,1635064} \enddata{text822, 175175} \begindata{text822, 183006} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 06:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 06:14:32 -0500 (EST) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b+; Tue, 19 Jan 93 06:12:38 EST Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:13 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:13 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21598; Tue, 19 Jan 93 12:12:22 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:12:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:12:21 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project X-Andrew-Message-Size: 643+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan , Bill Janssen Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: <4fKnqfcB0KGWM3=gon@holmes.parc.xerox.com> References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> <4fKnqfcB0KGWM3=gon@holmes.parc.xerox.com> \begindata{text,1444800} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Bill Janssen@parc.xerox. (556+0)} \quotation{\quotation{I believe the view/data separation was a very good decision. Where I think it fell down was in not allowing for view data to be saved. }} \quotation{Multiple inheritance would be a nice solution here. Make a view object which was also a dataobject, and could have yet another type of view object looking at it. } This would actually mean to combine data and view by means of inheritance and lead to a "mixed" data-view object. I can't avoid the feeling, we want to devide things within ATK that naturally belong together. Christian.Sodomka@kapsch.co.at \enddata{text,1444800} \enddata{text822, 183006} \begindata{text822, 185933} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:56:05 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:52:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 494+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Brian Capouch Subject: Re: New Messages Icon? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,3501696} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 New Messages Icon? Brian Capouch@saintjoe.E (462*)} \quotation{I notice that the icon on unopened mail that has been sorted into the }\quotation{folder now is different for mail that I haven't looked at yet--it looks }\quotation{like a piece of paper with the bottom right corner folded up. } Is this a problem? I bet that Messages uses a different decoration for the folder name also. Instead of ``Mail'', it will say something like ``Private bboard'' or whatever. Craig \enddata{text,3501696} \enddata{text822, 185933} \begindata{text822, 187929} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:10:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1616+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Brian Capouch Subject: Re: New Messages Icon? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,3501696} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 New Messages Icon? Brian Capouch@saintjoe.E (462*)} \quotation{I just added a new entry to my .AMS.flames file. It is the first time }\quotation{I've changed it since we ported up to the CDROM version of Andrew. } \quotation{I notice that the icon on unopened mail that has been sorted into the }\quotation{folder now is different for mail that I haven't looked at yet--it looks }\quotation{like a piece of paper with the bottom right corner folded up. } Just a followup. There's this MS_GetDirInfo function that returns a code from the set (from ams.h): #define AMS_DIRPROT_READ 1 #define AMS_DIRPROT_MODIFY 2 #define AMS_DIRPROT_MBOX 3 #define AMS_DIRPROT_AWFUL 4 #define AMS_DIRPROT_FULLMAIL 5 #define AMS_DIRPROT_LOCALBB 6 #define AMS_DIRPROT_EXTBB 7 #define AMS_DIRPROT_OFFBB 8 If the folder is NOT writable, it will return one of LOCALBB (``Local BB''), EXTBB (``External BB''), OFFBB (``Official BB''?), or READ (``Private BB''?). This distinction is based on whether the pathname to the folder matches any of the obvious default mspath elements. If the folder is writable, it checks whether it can read the associated ...../Mailbox directory. If it cannot (for ENOENT or EACCES reasons) it returns AMS_DIRPROT_MODIFY (``Editable BB''). If it can read the Mailbox directory and this folder name has as a prefix $home/.MESSAGES/, then it returns FULLMAIL (``Mail''), else MBOX (``BB you adminster''). And, yes, it appears that it's only for FULLMAIL (``Mail'') folders that you get the unopened letter icon. For folders other than under $home/.MESSAGES/, you'll get the bulletin-board message icon. Craig \enddata{text,3501696} \enddata{text822, 187929} \begindata{text822, 191100} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:11:20 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 19 Jan 93 15:09:13 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12681; Tue, 19 Jan 93 15:09:08 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA03674; Tue, 19 Jan 93 15:09:07 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:09:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ATK and OOP and C++ Over the years, there has been much discussion of Andrew's Object system, and its relationship to other object systems. Please understand some interesting historical facts that REMAIN TRUE TODAY: 1. The Andrew Class system contains the absolute minimum new number of things for a C programmer to learn to do object oriented programming. 2. The C++ standard as it currently exists CANNOT properly implement global initializers such that present ATK code would work in a dynamically linked environment. ---- My experience is that people ask for Andrew to be in C++ because they don't know what object oriented programming really is, they don't understand what C++'s real values and limits are. It is an unfortunate reality that the crock known as C++ is gaining acceptance as an Object Oriented programming environment to the exclusion of environments like ATK that are actually easier to learn and contain the minimum useful subset, rather than a bunch of politically correct items from a useless list of features. I believe that C++ will eventually have the necessary functionality added to it so that something like ATK will work within it. At that time ATK may have survived long enough to get ported to the system the mob seems to want... -wdc \enddata{text822, 191100} \begindata{text822, 193880} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 16:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 16:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hertz.njit.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:43:25 EST Received: by hertz.njit.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06274; Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:43:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:43:05 -0500 From: vrk0177@hertz.njit.edu (VENUGOPAL R KOVURU) Message-Id: <9301192143.AA06274@hertz.njit.edu> To: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: New Messages Icon? \enddata{text822, 193880} \begindata{text822, 194925} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 17:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 17:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:00:52 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9577; Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:58:38 EST Reply-To: "Ronald Skoog" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 19 Jan 93 15:56:50 CST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:56:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from dover.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:56:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from dover.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:56:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dover.rchland.ibm.com.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.dover.rchland.ibm.com.rt_aos4; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:56:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4fL7Y0s91JXj0XOkor@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:56:16 -0600 (CST) From: Ronald Skoog To: Robert Andrew Ryan , Todd Inglett , info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to resize the window of a running application?) In-Reply-To: References: <16470@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (2413+0) > Excerpts from mail: 18-Jan-93 Re: (was: Re: Solution: How.. Fodatec > Project@harare.k (1850+0) >> A very important missing feature is the inheritance of data. Although >> data can be addressed from subclasses, you have to know were they first >> occur, so you are able to address them with eg. >> self->header.parentclass.xy . In object oriented languages all features >> of a parentclass should be iherited! > True, but an important constraint during the design of class was to stay > as close to C as possible. Another constraint was simplicity of the > class preprocessor itself, which prevented the inclusion of a complete > type parser such as would be needed to completely automate all access to > members. The usual technique I use when I need to access the data of a > super class is: Considering the many known flaws with the language, it may be more desirable to use a language that is more properly disigned (ie: uniform syntax and symantics.) To expect people that are not interested in C programming to use a language that is as cryptic as C when they are simply trying to write tools to make their particular job easier is short-sighted. with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; Ronald Skoog (rskoog@rchvmw2 / rskoog@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) Performance Design II Dept. 458 Bldg. 006-2/C205 x33862 \enddata{text822, 194925} \begindata{text822, 198672} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 17:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Jan 1993 17:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:13:01 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA20005; Tue, 19 Jan 93 13:58:10 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Jan 93 12:29:47 GMT From: xrxedds!xrxedds!liebman@uunet.uu.net (Chris Liebman) Organization: Xerox EDDS, Herndon, Va. Subject: Re: color printing Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Well, I got no immediate responces to my post asking if anyone had gotten color printing to work so I took a stab at it. It is now working here. I am using groff here and my changes depend on using the groff \X'ps: exec setrgbcolor ' command. I also change the font mapping to troff to use an external table that is read in during initialization. If anyone is intrested I supose that I could clean it up a little and mail it to any intrested parties. -- Chris -- Chris Liebman Work Home Internet: liebman@xrxedds.com liebman@zod.xrxedds.com UUCP: uunet!xrxedds!liebman uunet!bopper!zod!liebman Phone: 1-703-787-2032 1-703-378-2715 \enddata{text822, 198672} \begindata{text822, 200620} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 20 Jan 1993 04:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Jan 1993 04:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 20 Jan 93 04:29:05 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA16931; Wed, 20 Jan 93 01:12:56 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Jan 93 23:30:59 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Pemission denied (in flock... Message-Id: <16526@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <0fKkeG000000028kc0@porter>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >Sounds like NFS is still holding a lock on one of your AMS-related >files. Maybe you can just find, and remove, the lock file(s). The lock in question is a "lockf()" lock, which probably means it's really an SV-style "fcntl()" lock. I'm assuing that the lock in question is the one in "ams/libs/ms/rawdb.c", and that the AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE either prints the slightly-confusing message (it's not using "flock()" under HP-UX, so it's not "in flock"), or returns an error indication that causes that message to be printed. As such, it may well use the ONC file/record locking service; somebody else may have a lock on that file - or, at least, the lock manager on the NFS server may *think* it does. The lock, however, is probably not represented by a lock file; it's probably represented by some data structure either in the address space of the HP-UX kernel, or in the lock manager process, so it may not be possible to fix things simply by removing a lock file. >Rebooting the Sun will probably also make the problem go away. Perhaps. If the NFS server has somehow lost a client's request to release that lock, the reboot will probably fix it (the server will ask everybody who it thinks has locks outstanding against it to tell it about them; if the client has, in fact, released the lock, it'll not tell the server that it has such a lock, so the lock won't come back). >I don't have much experince with NFS lock problems There are lots of them; the original poster may be getting hosed by one of them. Rebooting the server might be worth a try.... \enddata{text822, 200620} \begindata{text822, 203534} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:04:22 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA16331; Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:00:24 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Jan 93 21:43:37 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ Subject: Re: C++ and ATK (was Re: (was: Re: Solution: How to ...)) Message-Id: <1993Jan19.214337.16545@siemens.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >The Andrew Consortium is already looking at the possibility of C++ for >thetoolkit. It'd be important that it work with g++. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 203534} \begindata{text822, 205168} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:33:48 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA17659; Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:20:07 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Jan 93 23:46:38 GMT From: agate!overload.lbl.gov!s1.gov!dave@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Wright) Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Subject: first time install question Message-Id: <1993Jan21.234638.5960@s1.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I am installing andrew for the first time and have come across this problem. alquery.c: 54: Can't find include file afs/acl.h alquery.c: 55: Can't find include file afs/prclient.h alquery.c: 56: Can't find include file afs/prerror.h alquery.c: 57: Can't find include file afs/venus.h alquery.c: 59: Can't find include file afs/cellconfig.h alquery.c: 60: Can't find include file afs/print.h alquery.c: 61: Can't find include file afs/prs_fs.h I can not seem to find the afs directory or the header files anywhere. What am I doing wrong. Thanks Dave Wright dave@s1.gov \enddata{text822, 205168} \begindata{text822, 207052} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:18:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:18:02 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: first time install question CC: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Jan21.234638.5960@s1.gov> References: <1993Jan21.234638.5960@s1.gov> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 21-Jan-93 first time install question Dave Wright@ucbvax.Berke (574) > I can not seem to find the afs directory or the header files anywhere. > What am I doing wrong. Check the README, and your site.h and site.mcr files. AFS_ENV should be turned off. (Or if you do have AFS AFSBASEDIR needs to be set appropriately.) -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 207052} \begindata{text822, 208586} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:05:06 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA22043; Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:55:01 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Jan 93 18:10:12 GMT From: psinntp!ctp!kevin@uunet.uu.net (Kevin O'Connor) Organization: CTP, Inc. Subject: Print ready documentation for Andrew Message-Id: <1993Jan22.181012.24560@ctp.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I have been looking for a printable copy of the documentation for ez, messages... in the distribution. Is there such a thing in the distribution? Are there scripts to combine the help files. I'm finding it difficult to learn with just the help. Also, I can't find much information on configuring the system once it is compiled. We would be installing it for existing users who have things like MH folders or mailx folders. Can we munge these into messages folders? Thanks for any input. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | Why we are here: Kevin G. O'Connor | /\/\ | To tremble at the terrible beauty Cambridge Technology Partners | / /_.\ | of the stars, to shed a tear at kocon@ctp.com | \ /./ | the perfection of Beethovan's +1 617-374-8286 | \/\/ | symphonies, and to crack a cold | | one now and then. - D. Letterman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \enddata{text822, 208586} \begindata{text822, 210940} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:36:24 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26260; Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:26:37 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Jan 93 07:16:28 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ Subject: Re: first time install question Message-Id: References: <1993Jan21.234638.5960@s1.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >I am installing andrew for the first time and have come across >this problem. >alquery.c: 54: Can't find include file afs/acl.h AFS is an expensive commercial product. You've probably got AFS_ENV defined somewhere: find it and remove the def. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 210940} \begindata{text822, 212607} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:52:31 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:50:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:50:48 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1256+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Print ready documentation for Andrew In-Reply-To: <1993Jan22.181012.24560@ctp.com> References: <1993Jan22.181012.24560@ctp.com> \begindata{text,539805156} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 22-Jan-93 Print ready documentation f.. Kevin O'Connor@uunet.uu. (1083)} \quotation{I have been looking for a printable copy of the documentation for ez, messages... }\quotation{in the distribution. Is there such a thing in the distribution? Are there }\quotation{scripts to combine the help files. I'm finding it difficult to learn with just }\quotation{the help. } We've made the help files available in Posctscript format for anon-ftp from the host emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.45.40) in the directory ./cdrom/doc/helpdocs. There are some other documents written about Andrew in ./cdrom/doc/papers. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 22-Jan-93 Print ready documentation f.. Kevin O'Connor@uunet.uu. (1083)} \quotation{Also, I can't find much information on configuring the system once it is compiled. } You can configure the system after compilation with the AndrewSetup file mechanism. See the help topic 'setup'. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 22-Jan-93 Print ready documentation f.. Kevin O'Connor@uunet.uu. (1083)} \quotation{We would be installing it for existing users who have things like MH folders or }\quotation{mailx folders. Can we munge these into messages folders?} % cui create newfolder ~/.MESSAGES\\; quit % cp Mail/blah/* ~/.MESSAGES/newfolder % cui reconstruct newfolder 1 \\; quit Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539805156} \enddata{text822, 212607} \begindata{text822, 215324} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from carbon.chem.utah.edu by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:34:47 EST Received: by carbon.chem.utah.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23184; Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:34:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:34:29 -0700 From: dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Message-Id: <9301250234.AA23184@carbon.chem.utah.edu> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Subject: Keep 'help' from opening several windows I am new to the Andrew software and I am not familiar with relevant newsgroups or bulletin-boards. So please send me mail and tell me where an answer is posted if that's the normal way to get an answer. Thanks. My first question is: Where can I ask lots of questions concerning Andrew? Is there commercial support available or could I pay somebody for helping me? Here are some of my questions - I would appreciate ANY hint on how to get a (partial) answer: The history mechanism in 'help' is great. Now all I need to find out is to keep help from opening lots of help windows to really make use of the history panel. - How can I supply a new keyword to a running help process from another program (with the current file being listed in the History panel)? There is a command line option for help to request a new window - but how can I request to use the old one? I know about typescript. But I want to call the help system from another program. Is there a way to call typescript to call help without opening a typescript window? - Is there a way to disable the "Window menu" in the help system (to keep the user from opening lots of additional help windows)? - Is there a way to put hypertext links in a help document and have the new file be displayed in the old help window? - How can I swap right and left headers on even pages when printing from the help program (like the option in "Printer Setup" in ez)? Thanks! __ _ | ) o | | | \ | | | / _ |_ _ _ _| | | | _ | |/\ /_) | ^ ^ | | _) | / | | | | | ^ ^ |_) /_) | | \_/\___|_| | |_| |_(_|__|___\_| |_/__|_|_| | |_| \_/\___| Department of Chemistry Office: (801) 581-7351 2020 Henry Eyring Building b113 Home: (801) 582-7516 University of Utah FAX: (801) 581-8433 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 dunkel@chemistry.chem.utah.edu \enddata{text822, 215324} \begindata{text822, 218436} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:03:09 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2940+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Keep 'help' from opening several windows In-Reply-To: <9301250234.AA23184@carbon.chem.utah.edu> References: <9301250234.AA23184@carbon.chem.utah.edu> \begindata{text,538814372} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jan-93 Keep 'help' from opening se.. dunkel@carbon.chem.utah. (2041)} \quotation{My first question is: Where can I ask lots of questions concerning }\quotation{Andrew? } This is the correct forum. You can also feel secure in sending ATK-format documents to this list. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jan-93 Keep 'help' from opening se.. dunkel@carbon.chem.utah. (2041)} \quotation{Is there commercial support available or could I pay }\quotation{somebody for helping me? } The Andrew Consortium supports Andrew and acts as a clearlinghouse for the Andrew sources. Your organization could join at one of three membership levels. For more information contact the director, Fred Hansen (wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu). \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jan-93 Keep 'help' from opening se.. dunkel@carbon.chem.utah. (2041)} \quotation{- How can I supply a new keyword to a running help process from another }\quotation{ program (with the current file being listed in the History panel)? }\quotation{ There is a command line option for help to request a new window - but how }\quotation{ can I request to use the old one? I know about typescript. But I }\quotation{ want to call the help system from another program. Is there a way }\quotation{ to call typescript to call help without opening a typescript window? } This feature used to be supported but I believe I removed it for some good reason. ;^) Let me look at the code and try to remember why. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jan-93 Keep 'help' from opening se.. dunkel@carbon.chem.utah. (2041)} \quotation{- Is there a way to disable the "Window menu" in the help system (to }\quotation{ keep the user from opening lots of additional help windows)? } You can disable any menubar and item. Add this to the global.helpinit file that should be located in $(ANDREWDIR)/lib: addmenu "" "Window~12,Show Help on...~14" help addmenu "" "Window~12,Show Help on Selected Word~26" help The only problem with this is that users who have .helpinit files, will have to use the include directive to get this behavior. % cat ~/.helpinit include /usr/andrew/lib/global.helpinit \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jan-93 Keep 'help' from opening se.. dunkel@carbon.chem.utah. (2041)} \quotation{- Is there a way to put hypertext links in a help document and have }\quotation{ the new file be displayed in the old help window? } The newest version of help (only available to Consortium members) includes hypertext help topics. Those items that are surrounded with the helptopic style (a dotted-box around the topic text), respond to a mouse click by loading the associated document into the current window. I have a personal help template that puts the helptopic dotted-box style in red on my color display. Draw the attention. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 24-Jan-93 Keep 'help' from opening se.. dunkel@carbon.chem.utah. (2041)} \quotation{- How can I swap right and left headers on even pages when printing }\quotation{ from the help program (like the option in "Printer Setup" in ez)? } It should be doable and this is the sort of thing Consortium members get when they ask. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538814372} \enddata{text822, 218436} \begindata{text822, 223054} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 32766 Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:07:17 EST Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA02411; Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:07:15 -0800 Received: by staves.tay1.dec.com (5.57/ULTRIX-fma-071891-cadf-103091); id AA02874; Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:07:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:07:14 -0500 From: vincent@tay1.dec.com (Gary Vincent) Message-Id: <9301251807.AA02874@staves.tay1.dec.com> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Information on Andrew File System Cc: vincent@microw.enet.dec.com Hello, I am contemplating a paper on the Andrew File system for a graduate-level Distributed systems course I am taking at Boston University. Unfortunately, I haven't had a lot of luck finding papers, etc., that explain the technical aspects of the Andrew File System. Are there any ftp sites where I could find this kind of material? I apologize for sounding pushy, but I would appreciate a speedy response, since I have to commit to a topic for this paper in the next few days. Thanks, Gary Vincent \enddata{text822, 223054} \begindata{text822, 224690} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 38;andrew.cmu.edu;Susan Straub Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:06:33 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:04:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Straub X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1507+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: 1993 Survey \begindata{text,539678900} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Dear Info-Andrew Reader, Please take a few moments to complete the enclosed survey and return it to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu. We will share the results of the survey with you. (It is not our intention to publish individual answers other than to quote comments; however, we are not taking cryptographic precautions and cannot guarantee the confidentiality of what you send us. If we've asked questions you'd rather not answer, please feel free to omit them from your reply.) Thank you for your time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1993 Survey of Andrew User Interface System Users ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Net address: Company/division: Address: Phone: Number of machines at site running AUIS: 1? 2-10? 10-100? 100-1000? over 1000? Number of AUIS users at site: 1? 2-10? 10-100? 100-1000? over 1000? Number of AUIS programmers at site: 1? 2-10? 10-100? 100-1000? over 1000? Does your site have AFS: What system type(s) do you run AUIS on: What are you using AUIS for: Mail Document production Project development Other uses Which AUIS applications/insets do you most commonly use? Why are you using AUIS? Did your site consider alternatives? Other comments: \italic{Please answer the following if you are doing development work using AUIS.} What subject areas are you working on? What applications/insets have you developed? Are you interested in sharing code and/or information with other AUIS sites? \ \enddata{text,539678900} \enddata{text822, 224690} \begindata{text822, 227420} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:39:10 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 918+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: selection-style change? \begindata{text,539253564} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Pardon me if I'm behind the times a bit here - I finally realized that we were using old versions of the ATK software on the 6000's - and made a new link so I could access the newer versions of the software (Gary's post about the help-links got me curious.) In general, I didn't see many changes (copyright in message-line) - but I didn't really expect to either since the "old" versions weren't too old. However I noticed one change which, silly though it may be, bothered me. 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a8zzzw80 | 50zzzv01g | a8zzzw80 | \enddata{raster, 539345288} \view{rasterview,539345288,0,0,0} ("old" on bottom - "new" on top) Before you used to get a "clean" rectangular reverse-video box indicating the selection region - now you get a rectangle with a weird missing-piece at the beginning and an extra-piece at the end. Clearly this "piece" is supposed to be the CRLF (or newline, whatever). \bigger{Was this intentional? Is this really preferred? Is it necessary??} --fish\ \enddata{text,539253564} \enddata{text822, 227420} \begindata{text822, 245657} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:41:45 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA12441; Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:31:38 -0800 Path: ucbvax!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!davidc From: davidc@austin.ibm.com (David Cox) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: white pages Message-Id: Date: 26 Jan 93 15:33:37 GMT Sender: news@austin.ibm.com (News id) Organization: IBM Kingston NY Lines: 17 Originator: davidc@sensdek.kgn.ibm.com Apparently-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu hi, I'm trying to set up WP and AMS on some RS/6000 's and can't really get things working. I got everything compiled BUT am having trouble customizing the servers... Is there any other doc than what comes with the dist ? I'm building from 5.1...... Thanks, David -- -- David Cox these are my own opinions NOT IBM's davidc@sensdek.kgn.ibm.com \enddata{text822, 245657} \begindata{text822, 247341} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:51:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 374+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: white pages CC: davidc@austin.ibm.com (David Cox) In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539300108} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 26-Jan-93 white pages David Cox@austin.ibm.com (387)} \quotation{Is there any other doc than what comes with the dist ? }\quotation{I'm building from 5.1...... } Did you read andrew/ams/deliver/doc/AMDS.ins? There is a known bug with compiling the program \typewriter{makeboth} with optimization on the RS/6000. Makeboth is used in the Whitepages generation. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539300108} \enddata{text822, 247341} \begindata{text822, 249073} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:27:58 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1779; Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:25:53 EST Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:55:15 CST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:55:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:54:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:54:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:54:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:54:26 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 798+2 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: messages bugs Cc: Bboard Service \begindata{text,539531904} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{global } \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} \bold{-- Messages bug -- (key binding) } When \bold{messages} is viewing a message with a text inset, and the inset has input focus, \italic{some} keystrokes (like spacebar) are intercepted by \bold{messages} and perform their normal action. However, \italic{other} keystrokes are taken, and inserted into the inset (even though the message it's \italic{inside of} is readonly!). Pressing Esc-~ while the inset has input focus doesn't do what you'd expect (make the \italic{message} writable), but rather makes the \italic{inset} readonly like it ought to have been in the first place. \footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,539687936} \textdsversion{12} \define{bold menu:[Font~1,Bold~10] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{italic menu:[Font~1,Italic~11] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} It must be the way \bold{messages} binds its keys. I have a text/textview subclass that works admirably as an inset within \bold{ez}, but for some reason in \bold{messages}, the arrow keys don't work in the inset when the message is readonly. Pretty weird. But never mind that, I'd just like to see the base \bold{text} object be handled properly (if it's possible) and THEN figure out what's goofy about \italic{my} inset.\ \enddata{fnote,539687936} \view{fnotev,539687936,81,0,0}} \begindata{bp,540819136} \enddata{bp,540819136} \view{bpv,540819136,82,0,0} \bold{-- Messages bug -- (Insert File) } (This is probably related to the one above.) Whenever you do an "Insert File" into a \bold{text} inset in a message, the file gets inserted \italic{into the parent document} (message) rather than into the inset. \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539531904} \enddata{text822, 249073} \begindata{text822, 253613} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:24:09 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:23:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1071+0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: messages bugs In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Jan-93 messages bugs Robert Kemmetmueller@rch (798+2) When messages is viewing a message with a text inset, and the inset has input focus, some keystrokes (like spacebar) are intercepted by messages and perform their normal action. However, other keystrokes are taken, and inserted into the inset (even though the message it's inside of is readonly!).< nl> Yes, this is an old old issue. (Obviously it's never been resolved reasonably. ) Personally I believe the bindings should be done so that messages will not override any bindings the inset has. Also, we should make the insets readonly, except there is no concept of "readonly" coded in dataobject. (This should probably change.) Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Jan-93 messages bugs Robert Kemmetmueller@rch (798+2) (This is probably related to the one above.) Whenever you do an " Insert File" into a text inset in a message, the file gets inserted into the parent document (message) rather than into the inset. I can't replicate this problem... -Rob \enddata{text822, 253613} \begindata{text822, 256231} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lune.csc.liv.ac.uk by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:34:49 EST Received: from cal.csc.liv.ac.uk by lune.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.8/LUCS-1.3) id AA03709; Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:34:24 GMT Received: by cal.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA12829; Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:34:24 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:34:24 GMT From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Message-Id: <9301271234.AA12829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> To: M.D.Beer@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, perena@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, daves@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, frans@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Martin Beer's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT) <0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> Subject: AMS, FLAMES How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? Roy Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <9301262018.AA10170@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (635) > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and more > significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, and so on without > any further programming, might we please establish what are the pros > and cons of this so that we can write a well-argued letter to the > experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why > we would like this software of Andrew available. Among other things, > some of our M.Phil. students, such as Perena, could then pursue her > M.Phil. work more effectively. Perhaps the Aide-de-Campe project > would be interested in collaboration in this work on email filtering > and such as well. > Roy Dave and myself have looked at flames several times. If it is to work on our machines, a significant development effort is required, that neither Dave nor myself have time to undertake. I have been in contact with CMU several times, and they have no better idea than we have as to what is wrong. Aide-de-Camp has a much more sophisticated mailing filter which has been developed here. I am told that their only interest would be to look at FLAMES as an example of how someone else approached a similar problem. I hopw this helps, Martin Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science, Telephone 051-794-3672 University of Liverpool, Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box 147, EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL. L69 3BX. United Kingdom. \enddata{text822, 256231} \begindata{text822, 259607} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:07:09 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7129; Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:05:00 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:07:59 CST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:07:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:07:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:07:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:07:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <8fNfB2U91JbdQpQXRZ@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:07:30 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: messages bugs In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 26-Jan-93 Re: messages bugs Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (1071+0) >> (This is probably related to the one above.) Whenever you do an " >> Insert File" into a text inset in a message, the file gets inserted into >> the parent document (message) rather than into the inset. > I can't replicate this problem... I can reproduce it even with the new ``Members Only'' 5.2.0 release. Here is a more obvious way to reproduce the bug: Open a sendmessage window and click in the body. Insert a ps inset. Click to put the input focus inside the ps inset. Now choose Insert File from the menu and insert any file you like. The file will not insert into the ps inset. -todd inglett \enddata{text822, 259607} \begindata{text822, 262256} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:59:07 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8382; Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:56:58 EST Reply-To: "Wayne D Richardson" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:09:15 CST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:09:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from borg.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:08:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from borg.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:08:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.borg.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.borg.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:08:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <0fNkTgg91JbT1Ve3dG@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:08:44 -0600 (CST) From: Wayne D Richardson X-Andrew-Message-Size: 538+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: selection-style change? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538565376} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{bigger menu:[Font~1,Bigger~20] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 2]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 26-Jan-93 selection-style change? Adam Stoller@andrew.cmu. (918+1)} \quotation{Before you used to get a "clean" rectangular reverse-video box indicating the selection region - now you get a rectangle with a weird missing-piece at the beginning and an extra-piece at the end. Clearly this "piece" is supposed to be the CRLF (or newline, whatever). } \bigger{\quotation{Was this intentional? }\quotation{Is this really preferred? }}\quotation{\bigger{Is it necessary??} } Use this preference to fix it up: \example{*.HighlightToBorders: true } Wayne Richardson wdr@vnet.ibm.com \enddata{text,538565376} \enddata{text822, 262256} \begindata{text822, 265070} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 13:24:27 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 13:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 13:23:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 13:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 532+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: graphic bug with Graphon? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539300108} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 29-Jan-93 Re: graphic bug with Graphon? cch@mtgzy.att.com (344)} \quotation{I have been using Graphon for years, and I have never seen any problem }\quotation{like this. }\quotation{The only Graphon bugs I have observed have to do with cursors being }\quotation{chopped off. } I fogot to mention that this occurs on monochrome Graphons. The weird part is that the people who are affected went month (years?) without seeing the problem until just recently. Neither the Graphon xserver or the ATK binaries have changed in months. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539300108} \enddata{text822, 265070} \begindata{text822, 267005} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alw.nih.gov by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 29 Jan 93 18:57:15 EST Received: by alw.nih.gov (5.61/1.35(alw-2.4)) id AA13081; Fri, 29 Jan 93 18:57:11 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.alw.nih.gov.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.alw.nih.gov.rt_r3; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 18:57:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 18:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: graphic bug with Graphon? In-Reply-To: References: , It may be coincidental, but we first noticed the graphon problem about when the xgraphic.c patch became available. I can say for sure, though, that pre-5.0 andrew versions to not exhibit the text-blanking problem on b&w graphon X-terminals. -Bob \enddata{text822, 267005} \begindata{text822, 268653} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 19:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 29 Jan 1993 19:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 29 Jan 93 19:03:08 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13180; Fri, 29 Jan 93 15:51:33 -0800 Path: ucbvax!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mucs!lucs!zhm From: zhm@csc.liv.ac.uk (Dr. M Zheng) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Audio, Video support with Andrew? Message-Id: Date: 28 Jan 93 11:50:46 GMT Sender: news@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk (News Eater) Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 5 Nntp-Posting-Host: esk.csc.liv.ac.uk Apparently-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I wonder if anybody intends to develop (or has done) a "real" multimedia (including audio and video) application on Andrew. Current Andrew package doesn't including objects (insets) supporting audio and video. Does Andrew people have a plan to upgrade Andrew to support audio and video? Could someone give me some information about supporting "real" multimedia with Andrew? Any info. including experience, systems and references will be highly appreciated. Thanks, Min \enddata{text822, 268653} \begindata{text822, 270378} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 13:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 13:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 30 Jan 93 13:18:39 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0306; Sat, 30 Jan 93 13:16:35 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 30 Jan 93 12:17:58 CST Received: via switchmail; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:17:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:17:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:17:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:17:33 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1027+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Audio, Video support with Andrew? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539412736} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 28-Jan-93 Audio, Video support with A.. Dr. M Zheng@csc.liv.ac.u (471)} \quotation{I wonder if anybody intends to develop (or has done) a "real" multimedia (including audio and video) application on Andrew. } Hmm...I wouldn't really say that "real" multimedia must necessarily mean audio and video, although that seems to be the common meaning of it in the industry today. Too bad really because they are just the tip of the iceberg. Anyway, we have a pretty good audio inset that we'll be donating to the Andrew Consortium shortly. It supports the IBM Audio Capture & Playback Adapter, which is pretty much the same thing as you'll find in a NeXT or Sun. I'm sure someone can port it to those platforms. The architecture is there in Andrew to easily add these insets (and has been there for years). All you need is the hardware to do the audio and video and a little patience to get the hardware to do what you want. Then you can edit them with ez, mail them with messages, etc. -todd inglett \enddata{text,539412736} \enddata{text822, 270378} \begindata{text822, 273515} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 15:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 15:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from silver.sdsmt.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 30 Jan 93 15:14:37 EST Received: by silver.sdsmt.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21969; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 13:14:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 13:14:34 -0700 From: bmorgan@silver.sdsmt.edu (Bradford A. Morgan) Message-Id: <9301302014.AA21969@silver.sdsmt.edu> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu South Dakota School of Mines and Technology POSITION VACANCY VICE PRESIDENT An academic vice president is sought for this public science and engineering university dedicated to excellence. The 2,500 undergraduate and graduate students are involved in 32 degree programs, through the Ph.D. in some disciplines. Students have combined average ACT scores of 25. Located in the Black Hills near Mount Rushmore and the Badlands, and not far from the Big Horn Mountain Range of Wyoming, greater Rapid City is a community of 85,000 with a favorable quality-of-life/cost-of-living ratio in a forested setting with ponderosa pines, Black Hills spruce, hiking trail networks, dinosaur relics, Sioux tradition, and national caves. APPLICATIONS and NOMINATIONS The selection of the Vice President of the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology should serve to impact the institution to better effect a positive environment by promoting professional development and global telecommunications, including the following criteria: 1. An awareness of innovative learning methodologies existing in the engineering, science, and humanities curricula elsewhere and their transferability to curricula here. 2. An awareness of computer communications such as the Internet which has particular impact on overcoming geographical isolation experienced by students and faculty at this institution. 3. The willingness to support faculty as they innovatively explore new teaching/learning strategies. 4. An awareness of faculty development programs which seek to strengthen classroom teaching and research abilities. 5. A recognition of the necessity for developing on-going and continual faculty-student-administrative dialogue on issues of all kinds as they both affect these groups and as they pertain to a stimulating environment intellectually for these groups. 6. An awareness of the complexity of issues and the willingness to take risks which push our institution into the national area as a premier undergraduate institution. 7. A desire to cultivate and affirm diverse attitudes, personalities, ideas, and temperaments to benefit students and faculty alike, allowing us to grow in social consciousness and awareness complementary to our solid scientific and technical backgrounds. Candidates for the position must have an earned doctorate in a discipline of engineering or science and possess the administrative experience necessary. Nominations will be accepted. Applicants should submit a cover letter explaining interest in the position along with names, addresses, and phone numbers of at least five references, and a statement of goals, to: Dr. Douglas K. Lange and Dr. Harold D. Orville Co-Chairs, VP Search and Screen Committee South Dakota School of Mines and Technology 501 E. St. Joseph Street Rapid City, SD 57701-3995 Review of the applications begins February 15, 1993, and will continue until a suitable candidate is hired. An Equal Opportunity Employer. \enddata{text822, 273515} \begindata{text822, 277529} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 19:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 30 Jan 1993 19:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 30 Jan 93 19:50:15 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA20273; Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:48:02 -0800 Path: ucbvax!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!uunet!xrxedds!xrxedds!liebman From: xrxedds!liebman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Chris Liebman) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Re: color printing Message-Id: Date: 19 Jan 93 12:29:47 GMT Sender: news@xrxedds.com (News Administration) Organization: Xerox EDDS, Herndon, Va. Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: zod Apparently-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Well, I got no immediate responces to my post asking if anyone had gotten color printing to work so I took a stab at it. It is now working here. I am using groff here and my changes depend on using the groff \X'ps: exec setrgbcolor ' command. I also change the font mapping to troff to use an external table that is read in during initialization. If anyone is intrested I supose that I could clean it up a little and mail it to any intrested parties. -- Chris -- Chris Liebman Work Home Internet: liebman@xrxedds.com liebman@zod.xrxedds.com UUCP: uunet!xrxedds!liebman uunet!bopper!zod!liebman Phone: 1-703-787-2032 1-703-378-2715 \enddata{text822, 277529} \begindata{text822, 279475} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 31 Jan 1993 09:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 31 Jan 1993 09:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Sun, 31 Jan 93 09:50:37 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Sun, 31 Jan 1993 09:50:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 09:50:03 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , Chris Liebman Subject: Re: color printing Cc: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: The change to read the font table for troff at run time has long been needed. We'd like to see those changes and incorporate them in the sources. We have already something like the color printing approach you describe. Thanks, Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 279475}