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Subject: Console bug (Version 7.6, ATK 17.0)

There is a minor bug in console that occurs once a year, on Jan 1st.

If you start a console on Jan 1st, it will never display the date
until Jan 2nd.  Here's why:

Console checks to see if the date needs to be updated by checking the
current day of the year (which ranges from 0 to 364 or 365) against
the day of the year the last time it checked the time (called
OldDate.)  If they differ, the date display is updated.

However, OldDate is incorrectly initialized to 0, so on the zeroth day
of the year, Jan 1st, console will think that the date is correctly
displayed when it has never been drawn at all.

Similar problems may exist with the OldHours and OldMinutes variables.
All of these should probably be initialized to something like -1.

--

Mike Riccio				Internet: mr2w+@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University		Bitnet:   R746MR2W@CMCCVB

Disclaimer: I speak for no one, including myself.
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Dear Susan,
 
My understanding is that EZ document must be formatted by troff to produce
a postscript format file before it can be printed. In SGI Indigo, it comes
with a postscript printer driver. Is it possible to let EZ print its
document directly to postscript printer using the printer driver ?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
-- Fai
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Please send any text versions of info. about AFS
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Subject: Recursive templates error
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References: 

\begindata{text,539847176}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
\define{center

attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]}
\define{i

attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0]
attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]}
\define{f

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6]
attr:['color' '#A02000']}
\define{e

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2]
attr:['color' '#B03000']}
\define{d

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1]
attr:['color' '#C05000']}
\define{c

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1]
attr:['color' '#D06000']}
\define{b

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1]
attr:['color' '#E08000']}
\define{a

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1]
attr:['color' '#F0A000']}
\define{j

attr:[FontFamily microfont Int 0]
attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 5]}
\define{g

attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1]
attr:['color' 'forestgreen']}
\define{h

attr:['color' 'blue']}
The problem:  Templates within templates cause "Recursive templates disallowed
- ignoring." error.... sometimes.


I have in my .ezinit:

    addfiletype .mine text "template=myexample"


and myexample.tpl contains:

    ----------------------------

\typewriter{    \\begindata\{text,537398262\}

    \\textdsversion\{12\}

=>  \\template\{mystyles\}

    This is my example text.


    Blah blah blah.


    \\enddata\{text,537398262\}

}    ----------------------------


This works great, as long as you edit a plain text file.  However, if you edit
a readonly (chmod -w) file, or a file with styles in it, ez gives a "Recursive
templates disallowed - ignoring." error.


The reason is obvious; my question is, why SHOULDN'T it work?  It would be a
terrific feature if it worked in all cases, but it currently only works when
editing a plain text file.


(Was it designed that way, or is it just a bug in text_ReadTemplate or
something?)

\i{
}\i{
}\center{\i{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r

}}\j{\g{rskm@rchland

}\h{B403 286-6659

}}}\enddata{text,539847176}

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In article <920106131803.9d@eagle.es.net> alh@EAGLE.ES.NET (Tony Hain) writes:
>Please send any text versions of info. about AFS

Information about AFS can be acquired from transarc corp (it is a product...)
at elaine@transarc.com.

Michael Kedem
University of Ottawa
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I am having great difficulty compiling the "andrew" material from the
MIT X distribution -- some Makefiles are apparently improperly built
by imake.  I have no idea how to work around this...  Is there an
alternate place where I can obtain the software?  Also, do you have a
list of programs and their functions? -- the distributed information
is rather vague, I'm afraid.

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\begindata{text,539470428}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
Steve, 


The distribution on the X tape is the same that is available from CMU via 
anonymous ftp (emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu).  What machine type are you trying to 
build Andrew on?  We haven't had anyone mention problems with improperly built 
Makefiles to date.  If you send me a copy of your config/site.\{h,mcr\} files, 
I'll be able to help you along.  


You should be running imake in the top-level directory as follows: 


imake -I. -I./config -Timake.tmpl -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=.


A copy of your compilation log would also be helpful to determine the problem. 


Susan Straub

ATK Consortium

<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>



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Subject: Where can I get a copy of groff ?
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Hi,
 
I am running Andrew on SGI Indigo which does not have device-independent
troff bundled with the machine. I was told to bring up groff to print
ez files to postscript printers. Can anyone told me where and how can I
get (thru' ftp ?) a copy of groff ?
 
Many Thanks.
 
-- Fai
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1992 17:56:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Schell <bill@allegra.att.com>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: messages program breaking lines

Is there a way to tell textview to wrap at column N?

Without this, since messages breaks lines longer than 80 characters,
people get mail from
me that
looks like this when 
long lines get broken in two.

Thanks,
	Bill Schell
	AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ
	bill@allegra.att.com
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\begindata{text,18718188}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
The traditional way of dealing with this is NEVER to type <return> to an ATK 
window unless you really want the line to continue in column 1 at that point. 
 That is, just let ATK wrap text into the window.  Then, finally, when 
Messages or whatever sends your text as mail, it will wrap it comfortably into 
80 columns.


Thus, this message (as it sits in front of me) is in two long lines of text 
(that look like paragraphs) plus a signature.  ATK wrapped the first one onto 
four display lines.  This one has three display lines.  Your mileage will vary 
depending on font and window width.


		Craig

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\template{messages}
I've recently experimented with trying to add color menus to the sendmessage 
window.  I had no problem getting the menus to show up -- I added something 
like the following to messages.tpl:


\yellow{\\define\{yellow

menu:[Color,Yellow]

attr:['color' 'Yellow']\}

}
(repeated, obviously, for a variety of colors)  This causes the menu items to 
show up just when you'd expect them to, but they have no effect when used in 
sendmessage.  (By the way, I wrapped the lines above in a "yellow" style, but 
I don't expect anyone to be able to see it...)


On the other hand, if I base a document on the template messages.tpl, editing 
it with ez, the colors work perfectly.    Very strange.


Any ideas what might be going wrong when the template is used in sendmessage? 
 I know I wrote the program, but color support was added "after my time" and I 
don't have a clue why it doesn't work...  -- Nathaniel

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It might be relevant to recall that when messages adds the "messages"
template, it always calls ReadTemplate with the "inserttemplatetext"
parameter set to FALSE.  I don't think this should matter, but it is
probably the case that most other uses of templates don't do this.

Aha!  I also just tried using the "Add Template" menu in ez, and if you
use it to add a template with color menus, you get exactly the same
behavior in ez that I reported with sendmessage -- the menus show up,
but have no effect.

I conjecture, therefore, that there is a bug in text_ReadTemplate that
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Probably ought to be added to the bug list.  -- Nathaniel
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I have a X11R4 version of Andrew Toolkit. While looking through some of the
documents (in the help or doc directory) I noticed it looks TeXish. If they
are indeed TeX files (or any of TeX descendents) could you tell me how I
can print them and let me know how I can some of the related TeX macros that
do not seem to be the standard ones?

						- Thanks,
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We have noticed that color styles in templates only seem to work for new
documents.  Editing an existing document which uses the template ignores
the colors specified by the template.  Looks like a bug.  Could this be
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\template{messages}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 17-Jan-92 ATK 
documents. Rao Loka@mri.com (496)}


\quotation{I have a X11R4 version of Andrew Toolkit. While looking through 
some of the

}\quotation{documents (in the help or doc directory) I noticed it looks 
TeXish. If they

}\quotation{are indeed TeX files (or any of TeX descendents) could you tell me 
how I

}\quotation{can print them}


ATK documentation is created with ATK (!).  There is a converter in ATK called 
ezprint, but to run it you have to have built ATK.  The print process converts 
ATK to troff and uses the macros in .../andrew/lib/tmac/tmac.atk.


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I am currently installing the lastest version of andrew on SCO,
and running into some minor problems.

Is anybody willing to share his experiences with me ?

(If not, I'll be happy to help anybody who contemplates the same)

Michael Kedem
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I have been trying to compile Andrew for a Sun 4, Sun OS 4.1.1 and MIT
X11R5 for quite some time.  The make World kept bombing out with

/usr/local/bin/mkfontdir /usr/itc/released/X11fonts
/usr/local/bin/mkfontdir: failed to create directory in /usr/itc/released/X11fonts

After remaking mkfontdir did not help, I put some time into the problem and
eventually tracked the failure down to

    if (BitmapGetInfoBitmap ((FontPathElementPtr) 0, &info, (FontEntryPtr) 0, file_name) != Successful)

in mkfontdir.c.  This call would fail for ANY file in the
/usr/itc/released/X11fonts directory.  Looking at the log file of make World,
I noticed that the files in this directory were generated by bdftosnf but did
not have a *.snf file extension, as shown in this excerpt from the make log:

/usr/local/bin/bdftosnf /tmp/msgs14.bdf >msgs14.pcf
/usr/itc/released/etc/install -c -m 0444 msgs14.pcf \
/usr/itc/released/X11fonts/msgs14.pcf

I renamed the files in X11fonts to *.snf and mkfontdir worked fine. (I
am presently running the make World again to verify that it works.)

My question is why was the output of the bdftosnf function called *.pcf?  

Does changing the file extension to .snf have any deletrious effects?

Why would this screw up mkfontdir?

Thanks for any comments.
--
   John C. Schultz   +1 (612) 733-4047   schultz@halley.serc.3m.com
   How to include the taste of Glendronach in a multi-media system?
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I am trying to run Andrew applications on a DEC VT1200 X-Terminal. The
X-Terminal gets its fonts from a DECsystem 5000/200 running Ultrix 4.2
via tftp.

However, when I start up typescript, it sits there for about 5 minutes
and then exits with a message about being unable to set the the font
path to /usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/. . I have already loaded the fonts
in the X-terminal, how do I get typescript (or other applications) to
stop setting the font path.

This also has the consequence of hosing the fonts and I have to reload
them.


-- 
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Jan-92 file names in /usr/itc/rele.. 
John C. Schultz@bloom-be (1418)}


\quotation{ Looking at the log file of make World,

}\quotation{I noticed that the files in this directory were generated by 
bdftosnf but did

}\quotation{not have a *.snf file extension, as shown in this excerpt from the 
make log:

}
\quotation{/usr/local/bin/bdftosnf /tmp/msgs14.bdf >msgs14.pcf

}\quotation{/usr/itc/released/etc/install -c -m 0444 msgs14.pcf \\

}\quotation{/usr/itc/released/X11fonts/msgs14.pcf

}
The default value for the macro XFC (X Font Converter) is 
/usr/bin/X11/bdftopcf.  You overrode that value because you have the X 
binaries in /usr/local/bin, but you set XFC = /usr/local/bin/bdftosnf instead 
of bdftopcf.  The default is to create PCF fonts for X11R5.  So, you were 
creating SNF fonts with .pcf extensions and that was disturbing mkfontdir.  


You could just go with the SNF fonts or you could set the macro XFC (in 
andrew/config/site.mcr) to point to /usr/local/bin/bdftopcf and rebuild the 
world.


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium


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\quotation{However, when I start up typescript, it sits there for about 5 
minutes

}\quotation{and then exits with a message about being unable to set the the 
font

}\quotation{path to /usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/. . I have already loaded the 
fonts

}\quotation{in the X-terminal, how do I get typescript (or other applications) 
to

}\quotation{stop setting the font path.

}
It will attempt to place the Andrew font directory ($\{ANDREWDIR\}/X11fonts) 
in your fontpath if it isn't already there.  I don't understand why this is a 
problem.  Could you explain where you loaded the fonts on the X-terminal.  If 
it is the situation where you need to run the binaries via tftp but you cannot 
access fonts via the same mechanism, then either 1) there is a bug with you 
X-terminals Xserver or 2) we need to add a new feature (preference?) to 
disable the fontpath manipulations when a new window is created for people 
using X-terminals.  


Basically, could you explain the situation a bit more thoroughly?


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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\quotation{I am currently installing the lastest version of andrew on SCO,

}\quotation{and running into some minor problems.

}
\quotation{Is anybody willing to share his experiences with me ?

}

I'm willing to share my experience but, unfortunately, I don't have any 
experience with SCO.  We don't have that platform here.  Please feel free to 
post any problems you have to info-andrew-- maybe others can help as well.


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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NG F. F. Surveying@BITNE (281)}


\quotation{I am running Andrew on SGI Indigo which does not have 
device-independent

}\quotation{troff bundled with the machine. I was told to bring up groff to 
print

}\quotation{ez files to postscript printers. Can anyone told me where and how 
can I

}\quotation{get (thru' ftp ?) a copy of groff ?

}
I may be mistaken, and please correct me if so, but I believe groff comes from 
the GNU project of the Free Software Foundation.  Here is their information:


\leftindent{Free Software Foundation Inc

675 Massachusetts Avenue

Cambridge, MA 02139

}
Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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\quotation{(I'm having a hard time installing it from source, so I want to 
look

}\quotation{at it first to decide if it's worthwhile!)

}
The Remote Demo Service is very close to being available again.  Watch this 
forum for an announcement.


I can help you with installing Andrew from source.  Send me 1) the site files 
that you used, 2) the errors generated in your log file, and 3) information 
about the platform your trying to install on.  [Good English, eh?]


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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Has anyone tried to use ATK fonts under \italic{XVision}, a PC X11R4 product 
that runs at the same time as MS-Windows 3.0? I built ATK on a workstation 
such that it made a bdf format font directory. I transferred these down to the 
PC and converted them to .fon format with \bold{bdftofon}, which comes with 
the \italic{XVision} product. I believe the .fon format is a \italic{Windows} 
format. I am using ISO fonts, and ATK applications pick up normal text fonts 
correctly through the fonts.alias file. If I try to use certain Andrew 
specific fonts, such as aptcsr20, it crashes the server. The \bold{bdftofon} 
program doesn't complain about any of the bdf files, and they look okay to me 
after browsing through some of them.


Some of the ATK fonts work correctly: table12 and the messages fonts work 
fine. The cursor fonts and xshape10 and most of the others do not. Thanks in 
advance for any suggestions.


Stephan Greene

University of Gothenburg

greene@snorre.ssd.gu.se

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From: wolves!biggers@cs.duke.edu  (Mark Biggers)
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Hi,

I'm interested in groff, and I think I know where to get *sources*, but
I don't wanna build gcc, then g++, then groff.  Does anyone have SPARC
4.1 OS binaries available for FTP, for the entire groff package?

thanks,
--mark

-- 
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The Andrew Toolkit Consortium of Carnegie Mellon University is proud to 
announce the return of...


\center{\bold{THE REMOTE ANDREW DEMO SERVICE!}}


The Remote Andrew Demo service was first announced in mid-October.  After a 
testing phase, it was taken out of service for enhancements and bug fixes.  We 
are pleased to announce that it has now been returned to service.


This revolutionary network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit 
applications without the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew 
software.  It used to be that trying out Andrew required ftp'ing megabytes of 
source and performing a lengthy build... but no longer!  The Remote Andrew 
Demo service will have you running Andrew software within 5 minutes.


You need a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11 
window system.  A simple "finger" command will allow you to experience ATK 
applications firsthand.  You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, 
navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message 
System to browse through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups.


\center{\bold{HOW TO USE THE SERVICE}}


To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on 
your machine:


\leftindent{finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu}


The service will give you any further instructions that may be necessary.


\center{\bold{WHAT IS ANDREW?}}


The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a multimedia graphical toolkit running under X11. 
 It provides, among other things, an editor for composing rich-text documents 
complete with embedded insets such as raster images, spreadsheets, graphs, 
drawings, animations -- even embedded audio and video.  Documents can be 
cross-referenced with embedded "hyperlinks."


ATK includes an application builder, extension language, and a rich set of 
object types which make the creation of complex graphical interfaces easy. 
 ATK is an open system, allowing new object types to be written in C.  There's 
also an ATK-based mail/news program which allows the sending of graphical ATK 
documents through the mail.  It complies with the forthcoming Internet RFC 
concerning multimedia mail formats (the "MIME" RFC).


ATK has been a part of the campus computing environment of Carnegie Mellon 
University since 1986 and has continuously evolved to remain at the forefront 
of multimedia information technology.  The Andrew Toolkit, release 5.0, is 
available free of charge on MIT's current distribution of X11 (release 5), in 
the directory contrib/andrew.  And coming soon, a binary distribution of 
Andrew on CD-ROM, compiled for several of the most popular Unix platforms.


For further information about ATK and the ATK Consortium which supports it, 
contact:


\leftindent{wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu

Wilfred J. Hansen

Director, ATK Consortium

School of Computer Science

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Avenue

Pittsburgh, PA  15213

}
We invite you to experience ATK yourself -- right now -- with the Remote 
Andrew Demo.

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Just a note to say that I'm currently using groff 1.04 (built with g++ 1.40.3 
(built with gcc 1.40)) with ATK 5.0.0.  It seems to work fine with embedded 
PS, and all.


I'm using the following printcommand, previewcommand, and formatcommand:


\example{formatcommand:	cat /tmp/%s.n | /usr/gnu/bin/gpic -D -Tpsc | 
/usr/gnu/bin/gtbl | /usr/gnu/bin/geqn -m2 | /usr/gnu/bin/gtroff -E -Tpsc | 
/usr/transcript/bin/psdit |

previewcommand: andypspreview %s

printcommand:	andypsprint

}
("andypspreview" invokes the user's favorite PostScript previewer around here, 
"andypsprint" ships a PS file to the user's favorite PS printer).


Note that I'm still using Adobe's Transcript "psdit" (instead of grops), and 
I'm using the ditroff "devpsc" font metrics supplied as part of the Transcript 
distribution.  This is because the fonts supplied as part of the groff "devps" 
device, while they work mostly, don't really match.  There is no "C" font 
(though the "CR" font works OK), the names of the special chars seem to change 
("devps" doesn't seem to supply a "ul" character in the "SS" font, for 
example), and errors like "numeric overflow" seem to happen when I use the 
"devps" device and grops.


Has anyone tried to supply the "devpsc" device in the format required by 
groff?  Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult.


Bill


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From: psinntp!unvax.union.edu!boehme@uunet.uu.net  (Eric M. Boehm)
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gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim) writes:

>Excerpts from misc: 16-Jan-92 Problems using Andrew with .. Eric M.
>Boehm@ucbvax.Ber (603)

>> However, when I start up typescript, it sits there for about 5 minutes
>> and then exits with a message about being unable to set the the font
>> path to /usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/. . I have already loaded the fonts
>> in the X-terminal, how do I get typescript (or other applications) to
>> stop setting the font path.

>It will attempt to place the Andrew font directory
>(${ANDREWDIR}/X11fonts) in your fontpath if it isn't already there.  I
>don't understand why this is a problem.  Could you explain where you
>loaded the fonts on the X-terminal.  If it is the situation where you
>need to run the binaries via tftp but you cannot access fonts via the
>same mechanism, then either 1) there is a bug with you X-terminals
>Xserver or 2) we need to add a new feature (preference?) to disable the
>fontpath manipulations when a new window is created for people using
>X-terminals.  

>Basically, could you explain the situation a bit more thoroughly?

OK, I have a Digital VT1000 X-Terminal running Terminal Manager 2.2
(latest FC0).

Under Customize settings for the terminal you can set the font path
via LAT or tftp.

The line for LAT reads:

ROM,LUDWIG::

the line for tftp reads:

ROM,192.52.218.45:/home/tftpboot/vt1000/font.paths

Above ANN:: is the name of a node on our VAXcluster. 192.52.218.45 is
the internet address of a DECsystem 5000 running Ultrix 4.2 with X11R5
patch level 8 and andrew (latest version) also installed.

The file font.paths is used by the vt1000 to find the fonts. Here is a
small excerpt

/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/courO08.pcf -adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--11-80-100-100-m-60-iso8859-1
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/courO18.pcf -adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--25-180-100-100-m-150-iso8859-1
...
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/msgs14.pcf msgs14
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/msgs10.pcf msgs10
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/blshft12.pcf blshft12
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/bits1.pcf bits1
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/gofont10.pcf gofont10
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/con12.pcf con12
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/con10.pcf con10
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/donz12.pcf donz12
/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/kalfnt12.pcf kalfnt12


As you can see, the andrew fonts are listed.

When I start an application like typescript, it displays the
following:

Starting typescript (Version 7.2, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

This will take about 5 minutes and then I get the following from the
terminal manager:

Set font path 192.52.218.45:/usr/local/andrew/X11fonts/. failed.
Continuing to parse rest of font path.

And typescript aborts with a segmentation fault. Oddly enough, loading
fonts from LUDWIG:: which has Motif fonts installed, brings up
typescript.

The fonts don't look right, of course (I have the letter a for the
pointer). Also, tcsh is my shell and I don't see what I have typed
until I hit return.

I hope this is enough detail.

Eric
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When I had this class of problems under X11.3 X-View, we crerated an
alias file for all the missing fonts, and it cleared up the problem.
Good luck.
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
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Date: 20 Jan 92 15:04:49 GMT
From: uvaarpa!cv3.cv.nrao.edu!cv3.cv.nrao.edu!bglenden@mcnc.org  (Brian Glendenning)
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I believe that there is a demo of various Andrew things that can be
run over the network. Could anyone let me know how?

(I'm having a hard time installing it from source, so I want to look
at it first to decide if it's worthwhile!)

Brian
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Brian, 

The Andrew Toolkit Consortium recently announced the (re)availability of the
Remote Demo Service.  I will forward that notice to you following this message.

What type of problems are you having installing Andrew?  If you send me a copy of your 
config/site.h and site.mcr files and an error log, we'll try to get you 
started. 

Susan Straub
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I noticed that the most recent announcement (about the return of the
demo service) mentioned that ATK/AMS would support MIME in the future.
Private correspondence with nsb revealed that he had sent MIME patches
to [whatever the ATK folks call themselves today].  This tends to
indicate that a new Andrew release is in the offing.

What will be the distribution conditions for the new release?  (As I
recall, Fred Hansen explicitly said some months ago that there was no
guarantee of the continuing free availability of the Andrew software.)

-GAWollman
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\quotation{I noticed that the most recent announcement (about the return of 
the demo service) mentioned that ATK/AMS would support MIME in the future. 
Private correspondence with nsb revealed that he had sent MIME patches to 
[whatever the ATK folks call themselves today].  This tends to indicate that a 
new Andrew release is in the offing.

}
We call ourselves

	The Andrew Toolkit Consortium

The next distribution will be on CD-ROM and will be similar to the X.V11R5 
version.  This relase will not have the MIME extensions.


\quotation{What will be the distribution conditions for the new release?  (As 
I recall, Fred Hansen explicitly said some months ago that there was no 
guarantee of the continuing free availability of the Andrew software.)

}
Members of the consortium will get new releases regularly.  Others will have 
to wait for our annual distribution via the X Consortium.


Perhaps we can make special arrangements for MIME because of its unique status 
as an internet standard.


Fred Hansen

Director, Andrew Toolkit Consortium


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Some random comments on R5 ATK:

The "recessed" lettering on the buttons looks awful.  Please remove it
or add an option to (there currently doesn't seem to be any way to do
this with a preference switch).

The motif-style scroll bars are cute but too busy.  I'll have to play
with it a bit to make good suggestions, but how about a) not putting the
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Having both pop-up and menubar menus be the default is much nicer than
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Folks, the messages.tpl template defines the global style (used (apparently) 
for the bodies of messages, to be 12 point.  This is extremely 
\bold{\italic{inappropriate}} -- I'm squinting at a 100 dpi display even as I 
type this message.  I don't see any reason for that template to specify a 
point size, either.  Please get rid of it.


Bill

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The "recessed" lettering can be turned off.  The scrollbar can also be changed 
considerably, it can even be made to mimic the old scrollbar's look with the 
new code.  


The relevant help files are: preferences, scroll, oscroll, and sbutton.  (all 
these things are based on the drawing code of sbuttons)


-Rob Ryan

Member of Technical Staff, Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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\quotation{The "recessed" lettering can be turned off.

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The best I could come up with was


*.SButtonAlwaysInherit: on

*.SButtonLabelBackground: gray75


(I had to match gray75 by eye.)  Is this the recommended technique?  What if 
some application uses a different color button?


To get the elevator out of its rut, I use the following:


*.ScrollBarTopShadow: gray75

*.ScrollBarBottomShadow: gray75


I haven't figured out how to remove the endzones' dimples.


Thanks.  It's better this way.


	David

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\quotation{\quotation{The "recessed" lettering can be turned off.

}}
\quotation{The best I could come up with was

}
\quotation{*.SButtonAlwaysInherit: on

}\quotation{*.SButtonLabelBackground: gray75

}
I guess I don't really understand what you meant.  Is it that you want the 3d 
look for the button, but don't want the shadow(or recessed) effect on the 
text?


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\quotation{(I had to match gray75 by eye.)  Is this the recommended technique? 
 What if some application uses a different color button?

}
This is the recommended way.  Depending on what color the application uses I 
suppose the text might look ugly again.  In general I wouldn't expect any 
application to change the color of the button label, so I suspect it won't be 
a problem in practice.  (Note that LabelBackground is different from just 
Background, one affects just the text of the button, the other the area around 
the text.)


I'm afraid there is no way to remove the endzone dimples without removing the 
box around them...  You could try *.MotifScrollBars: yes (and then 
*.ScrollPosition:left if you want it there.)  This will give you arrows in the 
endzones, but no indication when they are depressed.  (I believe this is a 
bug.)  The label preferences for the endzones can be used to make the arrows 
go away.


Hope this helps,

-Rob Ryan

Member of Technical Staff, Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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\quotation{Is it that you want the 3d look for the button, but don't want the 
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}
Yes, that's exactly what I want.  I don't mind the 3D stuff in general, I just 
think you guys got carried away.  The text is the best (worst) example; it is 
much harder to read with the 3D effect.


A problem I had today was that the border around the elevator turned black 
after I ran an image editing program.  (I'm running with 
*.SButtonLabelBackground: gray75).  I know next to nothing about X color 
management, but why would the border be the only affected thing when both it 
and the elevator are the same color?  (I know, it's because they use different 
pixel values.  But why?  Also, why did the image program only smash that one, 
and leave all the rest alone?)  I'm willing to believe the image program had a 
bug, but does ATK have one, too?


	David

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We have our first Bellcore user of Andrew under OpenWindows.  He doesn't like 
the cursors, and I can't say as I blame him.  Is there are known fix for this 
problem?  His cursors are ugly and he gets LOTS of X errors...


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Nathaniel,

	Here is the list of messges that I received in sending you this email.

I hope it helps. YOu should also know that the cursors for Andrew look

pretty funky. There is obviously a problem. Let me know what you find

out. In the mean time I will let you know if I find anything else

unusual.


Darryl

rouse@thumper.bellcore.com

x5376

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I think I may have hit 2 possible bugs in Andrew system, which I haven't seen 
discussed yet. 


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\italic{\bold{CPU}}\italic{\bold{:}} 	Sun 670 MP

\italic{\bold{X11}}\italic{\bold{:}} 	X11R5 with the first three patches 
implemented (yes, I know there are more, I'm waiting for more diskspace on my 
system to recompile my X11R5)

\italic{\bold{Andrew}}\italic{\bold{:}}

	Version distributed on X11R5 tape

\italic{\bold{Mail:}}	Configured to use sendmail+IDA. All host, aliases, and 
password file validation has been turned off. No White Pages.

\italic{\bold{WM:}}	The window manager I am using at present is the olwm 
distributed with XView 3.1 on the X11R5 tape


\bold{Possible bugs:


\italic{messages}}\italic{\bold{:}}

	On some rare occasions I've noticed that when I attempt to strip Andrew 
formatting from the message to be sent, the message \italic{may} 
\italic{vanish  }}without trace.\description{ This is the greatest possible 
offence that a mailer can commit. This behaviour is erratic. I noticed it 
happen only twice so far. There may have been other cases though which I am 
not aware of. I suspect that the message may have vanished because of the 
problem with stripping the formatting off it, which might have been 
unsuccessful for some reason. The particular situation in which it downed on 
me that the message wasn't sent was when I posted a message to a local mailing 
list. Since I subscribe to that list, the message should have come back. But 
it never did. When I sent the message again later on (also with stripping the 
Andrew formatting), the message went through without problems and I got it 
back via the mailing list.


	In this case it is feasible that the problem may be elsewhere, but because of 
the "gravity of the offence" it may be worthwhile scrutinizing this part of 
Andrew in any case.


\italic{\bold{bush:}}	Sometimes, when I iconize \italic{bush}, and then 
deiconize it, the large font in \italic{bush}' pushbuttons changes to a very 
small one. It looks like \italic{bush} suddenly loses information about the 
font it should be using for its widgets. This happens only in the following 
circumstances: I have a script called \italic{vitool}, which invokes 
\italic{vi} in an \italic{xterm} window via 
\literal{"\typewriter{\smaller{xterm -n vi -T vi -e vi $*}}"}. When working 
with \italic{bush}, I sometimes change the default editor to \italic{vitool}. 
When I invoke that editor from \italic{bush}, then iconize \italic{bush}, and 
then deiconize it, it comes back with that very small font in its push 
buttons. \italic{\bold{This font looks like one of the small fonts in xterm 
(the "tiny" font)!}} \italic{Xterm} has slots for up to 8 fonts and the font 
referred to as \italic{tiny} is the font resource known as 
\typewriter{\smaller{vt100.font2. }}This, again, may be a server problem 
rather than Andrew problem, and it's not as serious as the potential problem 
with messages.


}Has anyone encountered similar problems yet?


Regards,

Gustav\
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After a bit of helpful advice from James Clark, the implementor of
groff, I found what I was doing wrong that caused my problems with groff
and my dependence on Adobe Transcript.  You will remember that for
formatting my document to PostScript, I was using the formatcommand:

    formatcommand:      cat /tmp/%s.n | /usr/gnu/bin/gpic -D -Tpsc |
    /usr/gnu/bin/gtbl | /usr/gnu/bin/geqn -m2 | /usr/gnu/bin/gtroff -E
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Turns out that I can use groff's grops, and remove the dependency on
Transcript psdit, by simply using the following formatcommand:

    formatcommand:      groff -pte -E /tmp/%s.n |

Note:  groff, not gtroff.  The -pte switches tell it to run gpic, gtbl,
and geqn before running gtroff.  The output of gtroff is automatically
piped into grops, which generates the PostScript.  (This assumes that
/usr/gnu/bin (or whereever groff is installed) is on one's path.)

The problem with my earlier test was that 1)  I was using gtroff with
the wrong macro files, and 2)  I had a bogus document (with a tab stop
set at 2.5 miles in (somehow...) !).

Thanks to James for all the help.

Bill
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Hi ,

When trying to build the makefiles for  the Andrew Release 5, on an
HP_9000/837 running the operating system UX_8.0.2,  we get the following
error :

........
Making Makefiles
(/jrc/isei/iss/perdigao/Xtmp/XShadows/HP9000_UX_8.02/contrib/li
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./Imakefile: 6: DependTarget: argument mismatch
..........

and then the building process stops at :

Making Makefiles
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*** Error code 1
.......................

Any HELP will be very apreciated.

Thanks

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I have been trying to quickly install ATK on the SONY RISC laptop (mips),
using the dec mips configuration files, but have run into problems with 
missing include files, no G0 version of the C library, etc.  Has any work
been done on this machine?  Any recommended strategies for proceeding?

Thanks much in advance; please respond via EMAIL as I don't receive the
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Ciao,
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 29-Jan-92 2 possible bugs in Andrew 
Zdzislaw Meglicki@arp.an (2596+0)}


\quotation{\description{On some rare occasions I've noticed that when I 
attempt to strip Andrew formatting from the message to be sent, the message 
\italic{may} \italic{vanish  }}without trace.

}
I've never personally seen or heard of this behavior.  Anybody else?  Of 
course, that doesn't mean that it doesn't occur. We had a Sparcstation here 
for a while but now that it's gone we need help from those who use Andrew on 
the Sparc in supporting that platform.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 29-Jan-92 2 possible bugs in Andrew 
Zdzislaw Meglicki@arp.an (2596+0)}


\quotation{\italic{\bold{bush:}}	Sometimes, when I iconize \italic{bush}, and 
then deiconize it, the large font in \italic{bush}' pushbuttons changes to a 
very small one. It looks like \italic{bush} suddenly loses information about 
the font it should be using for its widgets.

}
Nope.  It's just plain bad implementation.  I plan to remedy that uglyness 
soon.


-Gary

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We successfully built Andrew, V5, for a DECstation 5000 running Ultrix 4.2. 
 Andrew programs run fine on DECstations equipped with standard 
monochrome/color graphics hardware, but on machines equipped with 
high-resolution TX graphics hardware, Andrew applications dump core upon 
startup.


As far as I know, the only software difference between the standard and 
high-resolution DECstation machines is that one uses the "Xws" window display 
server, while the other uses the "Xtm" window server.


Does the fact that different window servers are used on the two machines mean 
that Andrew needs to be built separately for each DECstation 5000 display 
type?  If not, does anyone have an idea what else might be causing the core 
dump problem?  (actually, core doesn't dump to a file--Andrew applications 
start, then simply vanish.)


Thanks,


Bob Dew

National Institutes of Health

Bethesda, MD  20892

(301)-496-5361

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We'd like to make the various papers on ATK and AMS available electronically, 
so we'd appreciate it if anyone having such a paper could send a pointer or a 
copy.


Thanks, 

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I've gotten into a strange situation with Messages.  There are 69
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This may be the long-standing bug in xgraphic that we have just tripped over 
again with Open Windows 3.0 \bold{\italic{and}} the new SGI X-server (both in 
the same week!).  The problem is in xgraphic/SetupFillGC(), which seems to 
assume that \typewriter{lastFillTile} will always have something of use in it. 
 But sometimes, especially when you are just creating the graphic, the value 
of \typewriter{lastFillTile} will be NULL.


This is compounded by a less-than-useful assumption in 
xgraphic/RealDisplayClass(), which assumes that the first visual on the list 
of visuals returned by XGetVisualInfo() is the one to use.  Under OW 3.0, the 
first visual on the list (with a color display) is a StaticGray (with 8 
bitplanes, which is what seems to trigger the SetupFillGC() bug), but the one 
we really want to use is, of course, the color visual for the screen.


Bill

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