Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 03:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 03:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bernina.ethz.ch by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 1 Feb 93 03:17:21 EST Received: from neptune by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound id <14148-0@bernina.ethz.ch>; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 09:17:15 +0100 Received: from a (a-gw) by neptune id AA20943; Mon, 1 Feb 93 09:17:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 09:17:07 +0100 From: Niklaus Gerhard Ruess Message-Id: <9302010817.AA25927@a> Received: from a20 by a id AA25927; Mon, 1 Feb 93 09:17:07 +0100 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: styles Hello there, I'm interested in Andrew styles. In the files style.ch and style.c there are a lot of style attributes defined. When I make my own styles with the command "edit styles" in the ez editor, only part of those attributes become visible. Now my specific questions: 1. In style.c there is the following structure: static char *MarginValueAlias[] = { "ConstantMargin", "LeftMargin", "LeftEdge", "RightMargin", "RightEdge", "TopMargin", "TopEdge", "BottomMargin", "BottomEdge", "PreviousIndentation", NULL }; I've never seen values like "LeftEdge", "RightEdge", "TopMargin", "TopEdge", "BottomMargin", "BottomEdge". Is it possible to set any of those values for a normal user? 2. In style.c there is the following structure: static char *FlagAlias[] = { "Underline", "Hidden", "ReadOnly", "PassThru", "Icon", /* unused */ "ContinueIndent", "Hinge", "NewPage", "ChangeBar", "OverBar", "NoWrap", "NoFill", "KeepPriorNL", "KeepNextNL", "TabsCharacters", NULL }; I've never seen Flags like "Hidden", "NewPage" and "ReadOnly". Is it possible to set any of those flags for a normal user? 3. There is another interesting structure in style.c: static char *FaceStyleAlias[] = { "Bold", "Italic", "Shadow", "FixedFace", "Outline", "Thin", "Black", "Medium", "Heavy", "Condense", NULL }; I've never seen Flags like "Shadow", "Outline", "Thin", "Black", "Medium","Heavy" and "Condense". Is it possible to set any of those flags for a normal user? If yes, what's the meaning of "Thin", "Black", "Medium","Heavy" and "Condense"? Thanks for your taking your time. That's not my first question. Maybe you remember I'm working on a ATK - RTF converter. The base of my work is the converter that was started at MIT. Niklaus Ruess Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Mon, 1 Feb 93 13:04:27 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0fPKLo_00gpm9kGVQN@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:03:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1749+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Niklaus Gerhard Ruess Subject: Re: styles In-Reply-To: <9302010817.AA25927@a> References: <9302010817.AA25927@a> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 14:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 14:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 2 Feb 93 14:11:38 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27625; Tue, 2 Feb 93 05:05:39 -0800 Path: ucbvax!agate!ames!pacbell.com!well!nlane From: nlane@well.sf.ca.us (Nathan D. Lane) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Printing not working w/Andrew on AIX Summary: Print jobs idsappear out of queue Message-Id: Date: 2 Feb 93 06:01:14 GMT Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 21 Apparently-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I am running atk version 5.1 on AIX 3.2 and am having problems printing. Here is my .preferences file: formatcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | lp -dsacker; rm /tmp/%s.n previewcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn | psroff -t | gs -; rm /tmp/%s.n printcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | psc | lp -dsacker I see the print jobs appear in the queue sacker, but they are almost always 12 blocks long - just a blank postscript document and it usually prints one blank page. I have seen some errors from troff, but they never really show up anywhere. Sometimes it's "Point size too big for font CO" or "Invalid input character (.)". I guess I can't put periods in my documents? Is this an IBM troff problem or is this an Andrew problem?' Thanks for any assistance. -Nathan Lane Triicon Systems, Inc., Santa Barbara, CA nathan@aurora.tricon.com Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 06:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 06:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from lune.csc.liv.ac.uk by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 06:38:19 EST Received: from esk.csc.liv.ac.uk by lune.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.8/LUCS-1.3) id AA12412; Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:38:01 GMT Received: by esk.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA14003; Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:38:01 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:38:01 GMT From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Message-Id: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> To: wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: ebc@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Andrew, particularly Flames Andrew information and/or Fred Hansen, You can please see from the attached dialogues that our HP system does not support Flames because of some incompatibility with low level HP code. Is this the Andrew Consortium official position? At the Univ. of Liverpool, there are several important features of Andrew which do not work, and I continue to wonder whether this is true at other HP sites or not. Thank you, Roy From R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb 3 11:30:16 1993 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:34:24 GMT From: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci To: M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, info-andrew+@edu.cmu.andrew Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, daves@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: Martin Beer's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT) <0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> Subject: AMS, FLAMES How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? Roy Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <9301262018.AA10170@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (635) > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and more > significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, and so on without > any further programming, might we please establish what are the pros > and cons of this so that we can write a well-argued letter to the > experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why > we would like this software of Andrew available. Among other things, > some of our M.Phil. students, such as Perena, could then pursue her > M.Phil. work more effectively. Perhaps the Aide-de-Campe project > would be interested in collaboration in this work on email filtering > and such as well. > Roy Dave and myself have looked at flames several times. If it is to work on our machines, a significant development effort is required, that neither Dave nor myself have time to undertake. I have been in contact with CMU several times, and they have no better idea than we have as to what is wrong. Aide-de-Camp has a much more sophisticated mailing filter which has been developed here. I am told that their only interest would be to look at FLAMES as an example of how someone else approached a similar problem. I hopw this helps, Martin Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science, Telephone 051-794-3672 University of Liverpool, Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box 147, EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL. L69 3BX. United Kingdom. From D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb 3 11:30:47 1993 From: D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: AMS, FLAMES To: mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Martin Beer), rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Prof. Roy Rada) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Mr. C. Chen), perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Miss. P.I. Gouma), wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Weigang Wang), frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Dr. F.P. Coenen) In-Reply-To: <0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> from "Martin Beer" at Jan 27, 93 11:12:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1616 > Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (635) > > > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and more > > significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, > > we can write a well-argued letter to the > > experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why > > we would like this software of Andrew available. > Martin, thank you for drawing this discussion to my attention. > How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is > supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? I am well aware that flames is an outstanding area of the Andrew system that does not perform as expected. I do not understand *why* this is the case, but it undoubtedly is. The problem appears to be closely linked with a dialect of Lisp, a language with which I am completely unfamiliar. I have spent a significant amount of time recently investigating problems with Andrew, concentrating on those matters that showed a high likelihood of progress. The flames matter, though I would indeed like to have been able to clear it up, was therefore at a disadvantage as I don't have the necessary expertise to investigate it properly. In more recent times, I have transferred the bulk of my attention to matters relating directly to networking - which is the primary responsibility of my post and is what I am meant to be doing. I reiterate my original position that Andrew messages is provided on an _unsupported_ basis. I cannot commit myself to a fix for this problem in any definite timescale. From M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb 3 11:30:56 1993 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:52:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: AMS, FLAMES Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, daves@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: <9301271234.AA12829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9301271234.AA12829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> Excerpts from mail: 27-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (1935) > How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is > supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? > Roy Very simply - there vis a bug in the low-level HP code that interprets lisp instructions. We have tracked it a long way down, but it goes much further. Now if someone wants to do some REAL programming (in undocumented HP PA-RISC assembler) there is a chance to really get stuck in. Unfortunately there is noone here or at CMU who knows enough, or has the time to do anything about it. Martin Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science, Telephone 051-794-3672 University of Liverpool, Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box 147, EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL. L69 3BX. United Kingdom. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:07:31 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames CC: ebc@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> The addition of HP as an AUIS supported platform is enticing, but unfortunately, in addition to Flames not working, console, tm and typescript also have bugs that render AUIS crippled as a usable user interface. (If Consortium members could benefit by having remote access on an HP machine to look at these problems, we'd be happy to accommodate. Same goes for the SGI, for that matter, which has similar problems--we'd benefit greatly from having a fully working AUIS on all supported architectures). Thanks, Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:25:46 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7084; Wed, 03 Feb 93 11:23:28 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 93 10:23:07 CST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:23:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:52 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 756+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Printing not working w/Andrew on AIX In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:38:32 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:36:09 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:36:04 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:36:03 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:35:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew on Solaris 2.0 Much to my delight and surprise, the basic ATK binaries that I compiled on SunOS 4.1 seem to work fine on Solaris 2.0 without recompilation. In particular, typescript and ez run pretty well. However, NO dynamically loaded objects will run, which effectively means you can't use Console, Messages, etc. Has anyone yet figured out the simplest way to get dynamic loading working on Solaris? -- Nathaniel Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lune.csc.liv.ac.uk by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 15:18:53 EST Received: from cal.csc.liv.ac.uk by lune.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.8/LUCS-1.3) id AA01113; Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:17:34 GMT Received: by cal.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA13829; Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:17:34 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:17:34 GMT From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Message-Id: <9302032017.AA13829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> To: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu, bobg@zindigo.z-code.com, rdew@alw.nih.gov Cc: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, zhm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs's message of Wed, 3 Feb 1993 09:17:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Andrew, particularly Flames Fred Hansen, Bob Glickstein, and Bob Dew, I am honored at the rapid and useful feedback. As I am a low-level manager with vanishing technical know-how, I ask my technical colleagues at Liverpool to answer the questions about the details of our technical problem -- questions which Fred Hansen and Bob Glickstein have posed. Bob Dew evidently has a similar HP Andrew Flames problem. Thanks, Roy Rada Appended the email to which I am now responding: From Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs Wed Feb 3 19:58:08 1993 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 09:17:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs To: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames Cc: mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, advisory@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> Thank you for your response stating that there is a bug in FLAMES on the HP. Could you please send some indication of the behavior that indicates there is a bug? It would be very helpful to know: What flames file are you using which causes the error? What is the flames file supposed to do? What goes wrong? What are the contents of your site.h, site.mcr, and AndrewSetup? What mail delivery mechanism (AMDS or some other)? What distributed file system (AFS, NFS, other, or none)? What hardware you are using? What network technology? What operating system? What C compiler? It is difficult to fix something when we don't have these sorts of details. It may be that we do not need all the above information, but I don't have enough facts about the offending behaviour to know what we do need. We appreciate your attempting to fix the bug yourselves. It is very valuable to have help from people like yourselves all over the world. We are willing, however, to try to fix bugs ourselves as well. Fred Hansen From bobg@com.z-code.zindigo Wed Feb 3 20:02:52 1993 From: bobg@com.z-code.zindigo (Bob Glickstein) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 08:31:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk "Andrew, particularly Flames" (Feb 3, 11:38am) References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> Organization: Z-Code Software Corp., Marin County, CA Reply-To: Bob Glickstein X-Face: =($SY|/2Odk(K$UOYYH88u8x@sP9c'l[^RZwSi<=~B9w.bD}Xueurgex5p1D:0')q.qr8iC%%