\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 03:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 03:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bernina.ethz.ch by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 1 Feb 93 03:17:21 EST Received: from neptune by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound id <14148-0@bernina.ethz.ch>; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 09:17:15 +0100 Received: from a (a-gw) by neptune id AA20943; Mon, 1 Feb 93 09:17:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 09:17:07 +0100 From: Niklaus Gerhard Ruess Message-Id: <9302010817.AA25927@a> Received: from a20 by a id AA25927; Mon, 1 Feb 93 09:17:07 +0100 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: styles Hello there, I'm interested in Andrew styles. In the files style.ch and style.c there are a lot of style attributes defined. When I make my own styles with the command "edit styles" in the ez editor, only part of those attributes become visible. Now my specific questions: 1. In style.c there is the following structure: static char *MarginValueAlias[] = { "ConstantMargin", "LeftMargin", "LeftEdge", "RightMargin", "RightEdge", "TopMargin", "TopEdge", "BottomMargin", "BottomEdge", "PreviousIndentation", NULL }; I've never seen values like "LeftEdge", "RightEdge", "TopMargin", "TopEdge", "BottomMargin", "BottomEdge". Is it possible to set any of those values for a normal user? 2. In style.c there is the following structure: static char *FlagAlias[] = { "Underline", "Hidden", "ReadOnly", "PassThru", "Icon", /* unused */ "ContinueIndent", "Hinge", "NewPage", "ChangeBar", "OverBar", "NoWrap", "NoFill", "KeepPriorNL", "KeepNextNL", "TabsCharacters", NULL }; I've never seen Flags like "Hidden", "NewPage" and "ReadOnly". Is it possible to set any of those flags for a normal user? 3. There is another interesting structure in style.c: static char *FaceStyleAlias[] = { "Bold", "Italic", "Shadow", "FixedFace", "Outline", "Thin", "Black", "Medium", "Heavy", "Condense", NULL }; I've never seen Flags like "Shadow", "Outline", "Thin", "Black", "Medium","Heavy" and "Condense". Is it possible to set any of those flags for a normal user? If yes, what's the meaning of "Thin", "Black", "Medium","Heavy" and "Condense"? Thanks for your taking your time. That's not my first question. Maybe you remember I'm working on a ATK - RTF converter. The base of my work is the converter that was started at MIT. Niklaus Ruess \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 3134} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Mon, 1 Feb 93 13:04:27 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0fPKLo_00gpm9kGVQN@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 13:03:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1749+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Niklaus Gerhard Ruess Subject: Re: styles In-Reply-To: <9302010817.AA25927@a> References: <9302010817.AA25927@a> \begindata{text,7721728} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Style.ch and style.c were somewhat optomistic with respect to the style support that would actually be implemented; there are some attributes which can be set but which have no effect. The effects on the display are given in $ANDREWSRC/atk/text/text.c:PlayStyle, which shows that these are implemented ConstantMargin LeftMargin LeftEdge RightMargin RightEdge PreviousIndentation and these are not TopMargin TopEdge BottomMargin BottomEdge The Edge options are treated the same as the Margin options. \quotation{Is it possible to set any of those values for a normal user?} It's not easily possible to set these other than with the ruler in lookz. The options can be set by editing the raw datastream. These flags are implemented, though some have fairly narrow uses. Underline Hidden PassThru ContinueIndent ChangeBar OverBar NoWrap NoFill KeepPriorNL KeepNextNL TabsCharacters As far as I know, these flags are unused: Icon ReadOnly Hinge NewPage With the latest version of lookz, there is an option in the Enable and Disable boxes, so any flags can be enabled or disabled. The following face attributes are implemented Bold Italic FixedFace and these are meaningless: Shadow Outline Thin Black Medium Heavy Condense \quotation{Thanks for your taking your time. That's not my first question. Maybe you remember I'm working on a ATK - RTF converter. The base of my work is the converter that was started at MIT.} Improvements to the ATK-RTF converters would be valuable. Have you looked at the RTF->ATK converter in $ANDREWSRC/atk/ness/nesslib/fromrtf.n and installed in $ANDREWDIR/lib/ness/fromrtf.n? This is slower, but has been observed to work on RTF files which stymied the other converter. Fred Hansen\ \enddata{text,7721728} \enddata{text822, 3134} \begindata{text822, 6325} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 14:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 2 Feb 1993 14:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 2 Feb 93 14:11:38 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA27625; Tue, 2 Feb 93 05:05:39 -0800 Path: ucbvax!agate!ames!pacbell.com!well!nlane From: nlane@well.sf.ca.us (Nathan D. Lane) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Printing not working w/Andrew on AIX Summary: Print jobs idsappear out of queue Message-Id: Date: 2 Feb 93 06:01:14 GMT Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 21 Apparently-To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I am running atk version 5.1 on AIX 3.2 and am having problems printing. Here is my .preferences file: formatcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | lp -dsacker; \ rm /tmp/%s.n previewcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn | psroff -t | gs -; rm /tmp/%s.n printcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | psc | lp -dsacker I see the print jobs appear in the queue sacker, but they are almost always 12 blocks long - just a blank postscript document and it usually prints one blank page. I have seen some errors from troff, but they never really show up anywhere. Sometimes it's "Point size too big for font CO" or "Invalid input character (.)". I guess I can't put periods in my documents? Is this an IBM troff problem or is this an Andrew problem?' Thanks for any assistance. -Nathan Lane Triicon Systems, Inc., Santa Barbara, CA nathan@aurora.tricon.com \enddata{text822, 6325} \begindata{text822, 8410} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 06:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 06:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from lune.csc.liv.ac.uk by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 06:38:19 EST Received: from esk.csc.liv.ac.uk by lune.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.8/LUCS-1.3) id AA12412; Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:38:01 GMT Received: by esk.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA14003; Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:38:01 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:38:01 GMT From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Message-Id: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> To: wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: ebc@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Andrew, particularly Flames Andrew information and/or Fred Hansen, You can please see from the attached dialogues that our HP system does not support Flames because of some incompatibility with low level HP code. Is this the Andrew Consortium official position? At the Univ. of Liverpool, there are several important features of Andrew which do not work, and I continue to wonder whether this is true at other HP sites or not. Thank you, Roy From R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb 3 11:30:16 1993 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:34:24 GMT From: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci To: M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, info-andrew+@edu.cmu.andrew Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, daves@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: Martin Beer's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT) <0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> Subject: AMS, FLAMES How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? Roy Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <9301262018.AA10170@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (635) > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and more > significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, and so on without > any further programming, might we please establish what are the pros > and cons of this so that we can write a well-argued letter to the > experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why > we would like this software of Andrew available. Among other things, > some of our M.Phil. students, such as Perena, could then pursue her > M.Phil. work more effectively. Perhaps the Aide-de-Campe project > would be interested in collaboration in this work on email filtering > and such as well. > Roy Dave and myself have looked at flames several times. If it is to work on our machines, a significant development effort is required, that neither Dave nor myself have time to undertake. I have been in contact with CMU several times, and they have no better idea than we have as to what is wrong. Aide-de-Camp has a much more sophisticated mailing filter which has been developed here. I am told that their only interest would be to look at FLAMES as an example of how someone else approached a similar problem. I hopw this helps, Martin Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science, Telephone 051-794-3672 University of Liverpool, Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box 147, EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL. L69 3BX. United Kingdom. From D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb 3 11:30:47 1993 From: D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: AMS, FLAMES To: mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Martin Beer), rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Prof. Roy Rada) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Mr. C. Chen), perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Miss. P.I. Gouma), wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Weigang Wang), frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Dr. F.P. Coenen) In-Reply-To: <0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> from "Martin Beer" at Jan 27, 93 11:12:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1616 > Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (635) > > > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and more > > significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, > > we can write a well-argued letter to the > > experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why > > we would like this software of Andrew available. > Martin, thank you for drawing this discussion to my attention. > How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is > supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? I am well aware that flames is an outstanding area of the Andrew system that does not perform as expected. I do not understand *why* this is the case, but it undoubtedly is. The problem appears to be closely linked with a dialect of Lisp, a language with which I am completely unfamiliar. I have spent a significant amount of time recently investigating problems with Andrew, concentrating on those matters that showed a high likelihood of progress. The flames matter, though I would indeed like to have been able to clear it up, was therefore at a disadvantage as I don't have the necessary expertise to investigate it properly. In more recent times, I have transferred the bulk of my attention to matters relating directly to networking - which is the primary responsibility of my post and is what I am meant to be doing. I reiterate my original position that Andrew messages is provided on an _unsupported_ basis. I cannot commit myself to a fix for this problem in any definite timescale. From M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb 3 11:30:56 1993 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:52:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: AMS, FLAMES Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, daves@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: <9301271234.AA12829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9301271234.AA12829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> Excerpts from mail: 27-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (1935) > How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is > supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? > Roy Very simply - there vis a bug in the low-level HP code that interprets lisp instructions. We have tracked it a long way down, but it goes much further. Now if someone wants to do some REAL programming (in undocumented HP PA-RISC assembler) there is a chance to really get stuck in. Unfortunately there is noone here or at CMU who knows enough, or has the time to do anything about it. Martin Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science, Telephone 051-794-3672 University of Liverpool, Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box 147, EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL. L69 3BX. United Kingdom. \enddata{text822, 8410} \begindata{text822, 16355} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:07:31 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames CC: ebc@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> The addition of HP as an AUIS supported platform is enticing, but unfortunately, in addition to Flames not working, console, tm and typescript also have bugs that render AUIS crippled as a usable user interface. (If Consortium members could benefit by having remote access on an HP machine to look at these problems, we'd be happy to accommodate. Same goes for the SGI, for that matter, which has similar problems--we'd benefit greatly from having a fully working AUIS on all supported architectures). Thanks, Bob \enddata{text822, 16355} \begindata{text822, 18832} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 3 Feb 93 11:25:46 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7084; Wed, 03 Feb 93 11:23:28 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 93 10:23:07 CST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:23:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 10:22:52 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 756+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Printing not working w/Andrew on AIX In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539452928} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 2-Feb-93 Printing not working w/Andr.. Nathan D. Lane@well.sf.c (872)} \quotation{Here is my .preferences file: } \quotation{formatcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | lp -dsacker; \\ }\quotation{rm /tmp/%s.n }\quotation{previewcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn | psroff -t | gs -; rm /tmp/%s.n }\quotation{printcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | psc | lp -dsacker } When a file is printed, the formatcommand and printcommands are concatenated into a single pipeline. This appears to be your problem. You should define these preferences as follows: \quotation{formatcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | }\quotation{previewcommand: preview }\quotation{printcommand: psdit | lp -dsacker } The other troff problems you have seen are fixed by recent AIX updates. -todd inglett \enddata{text,539452928} \enddata{text822, 18832} \begindata{text822, 21772} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:38:32 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:36:09 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:36:04 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:36:03 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:35:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 14:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew on Solaris 2.0 Much to my delight and surprise, the basic ATK binaries that I compiled on SunOS 4.1 seem to work fine on Solaris 2.0 without recompilation. In particular, typescript and ez run pretty well. However, NO dynamically loaded objects will run, which effectively means you can't use Console, Messages, etc. Has anyone yet figured out the simplest way to get dynamic loading working on Solaris? -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 21772} \begindata{text822, 23816} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lune.csc.liv.ac.uk by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 15:18:53 EST Received: from cal.csc.liv.ac.uk by lune.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.8/LUCS-1.3) id AA01113; Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:17:34 GMT Received: by cal.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA13829; Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:17:34 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:17:34 GMT From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Message-Id: <9302032017.AA13829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> To: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu, bobg@zindigo.z-code.com, rdew@alw.nih.gov Cc: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, zhm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs's message of Wed, 3 Feb 1993 09:17:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Andrew, particularly Flames Fred Hansen, Bob Glickstein, and Bob Dew, I am honored at the rapid and useful feedback. As I am a low-level manager with vanishing technical know-how, I ask my technical colleagues at Liverpool to answer the questions about the details of our technical problem -- questions which Fred Hansen and Bob Glickstein have posed. Bob Dew evidently has a similar HP Andrew Flames problem. Thanks, Roy Rada Appended the email to which I am now responding: From Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs Wed Feb 3 19:58:08 1993 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 09:17:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs To: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames Cc: mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, advisory@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> Thank you for your response stating that there is a bug in FLAMES on the HP. Could you please send some indication of the behavior that indicates there is a bug? It would be very helpful to know: What flames file are you using which causes the error? What is the flames file supposed to do? What goes wrong? What are the contents of your site.h, site.mcr, and AndrewSetup? What mail delivery mechanism (AMDS or some other)? What distributed file system (AFS, NFS, other, or none)? What hardware you are using? What network technology? What operating system? What C compiler? It is difficult to fix something when we don't have these sorts of details. It may be that we do not need all the above information, but I don't have enough facts about the offending behaviour to know what we do need. We appreciate your attempting to fix the bug yourselves. It is very valuable to have help from people like yourselves all over the world. We are willing, however, to try to fix bugs ourselves as well. Fred Hansen From bobg@com.z-code.zindigo Wed Feb 3 20:02:52 1993 From: bobg@com.z-code.zindigo (Bob Glickstein) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 08:31:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk "Andrew, particularly Flames" (Feb 3, 11:38am) References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> Organization: Z-Code Software Corp., Marin County, CA Reply-To: Bob Glickstein X-Face: =($SY|/2Odk(K$UOYYH88u8x@sP9c'l[^RZwSi<=~B9w.bD}Xueurgex5p1D:0')q.qr8iC%%|X5/3)Fyw-_/+i2V29(;~Rgf.@|7qE,<,cz_3V)c1OZ\yZj'f:QRM=9EqQ?\v&apsKCVfLuQ$46j!B,WJ"~/,A-+KjI;0j7ymyLC5j3gBm} X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.2 11jan93) To: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames >>>>> On Feb 3, 11:38am, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk said: You can please see from the attached dialogues that our HP system does not support Flames because of some incompatibility with low level HP code. I am the original author of FLAMES. Although I've long since left CMU, I'm very curious and can possibly help: Exactly what kinds of problems are you having using FLAMES? When you say you can't use it, *why* can't you use it? -- Bob Glickstein Z-Code Software Corp. 4340 Redwood Highway Suite B-50 San Rafael, CA 94903 (415) 499-8649 From rdew@gov.nih.alw Wed Feb 3 19:59:28 1993 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: wjh+@edu.cmu.andrew, info-andrew+@edu.cmu.andrew, R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames Cc: mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, advisory@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> The addition of HP as an AUIS supported platform is enticing, but unfortunately, in addition to Flames not working, console, tm and typescript also have bugs that render AUIS crippled as a usable user interface. (If Consortium members could benefit by having remote access on an HP machine to look at these problems, we'd be happy to accommodate. Same goes for the SGI, for that matter, which has similar problems--we'd benefit greatly from having a fully working AUIS on all supported architectures). Thanks, Bob \enddata{text822, 23816} \begindata{text822, 29789} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 3 Feb 93 15:54:33 EST Via: uk.ac.hull.cs.nebula; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 20:28:52 +0000 From: "K.K.Akosa" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:27:58 GMT Message-Id: <4243.9302032027@cs.hull.ac.uk> Received: from watkyn.ac.hull.cs by cs.hull.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:27:58 GMT To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Problems with ADEW and Mail I have a problem with building ATK v 5.1 on Sun-4. This site is setup as follows csug3kka@olympus.9--> more site.h /* CMU-local overrides to the distributed system.mcr file. The distributed version */ /* of this file is empty, and patches are never sent for it. */ #undef LINKINSTALL_ENV #define MK_BASIC_UTILS #define MK_BASIC_INSETS #define MK_BLD_BLKS #define MK_HELP #define MK_TEXT_EXT #define MK_AUTHORING #define MK_AUX_UTILS #define MK_AUX_INSETS #define MK_EXAMPLES #define MK_METAMAIL #undef RESOLVER_ENV csug3kka@olympus.10--> csug3kka@olympus.11--> more site.mcr /* CMU-local overrides to the distributed system.mcr file. The distributed version */ /* of this file is empty, and patches are never sent for it. */ INSTALL = /usr/bin/install RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a csug3kka@olympus.12--> The problem is basically to do with the mail programs and the adew program. The ADEW application works OK until I select the createcontroller option in the adew menu. The following occurs Creating a controller for /home/jeeves1/student/csug3kka/atkdev/test/ez3. Please wait... running awk -f /usr/local/other/andrew/lib/arbiters/conpros.awk /home/jeeves1/student/csug3kka/atkdev/test/ez3 Moving .ch to .ch.old Merging in new info to create .ch Moving .c to .c.old it then stops and deosn't say 'done' I then decided to save the ADEW file and run creatcon manually. this produced the following csug3kka@watkyn.81--> createcon ez3 Creating a controller for ez3. Please wait... running awk -f /usr/local/other/andrew/lib/arbiters/conpros.awk ez3 awk: funcs is not an array record number 454 Second Problem -------------- typing messages causes nothing to appear, the prompt simply disappears for a second and then re appears. I therefore decided to run messages by typing /usr/andrew/etc/amsdemo this causes the following to occur csug3kka@watkyn.44--> /usr/andrew/etc/amsdemo Starting messages (Version 8.5, ATK 5.1); please wait... csug3kka@watkyn.45--> ERROR! ERROR! ERROR! YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE!!! messages then started up with 23 messages which were from root@??? I then tried to forward mail to a friend. I entered his username 'csug3ptc' and then chose send/post option in the messages-send menu. The To panel changed and displayed his full name but it then corrupted the mail address and produced csug3ptc@watkyn.uk.ac.hull.cs rather than csug3ptc@uk.ac.hull.cs or even csug3ptc@cs.hull.ac.uk .A dialog then appeared and displayed the following message Submission failed: Can't write message to /usr/lib/sendmail: Error number 0 I then decided to send mail to my other account on an external machine. My user name there is kka2 and the address is seq.hull.ac.uk This message was sent. I then tried sending to myself using csug3kka@cs.hull.ac.uk. The message wasn't sent and I recieved the same error as above namely Submission failed: Can't write message to /usr/lib/sendmail: Error number 0 I then quit the messages program and started elm which is the standard mail program used here. I recieved the following returned message Subject: returned mail for csug3kka2@cs.hull.ac.uk Mail error was: 550 ... User unknown --- returned mail follows --- Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.watkyn.uk.ac.hull.cs.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.watkyn.uk.ac.hull.cs.sun4_41; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 19:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 19:17:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "K.K.Akosa" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: csug3kka2@cs.hull.ac.uk Subject: Fwd: Social Experiments in the AMS From: root To: AMS Demo Part 18 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send Subject: Social Experiments in the AMS The Andrew Message System is, above all else, an attempt to improve the quality of electronic communication. Although there has been a large emphasis, ....................... Next, I tried using VUI and CUI and they both reported the same errors. Do you know why this is happening ? Is my setup correct and if not what do I need to change ? --------------------------------------------------- Thanks in advance Kofi K Akosa Email csug3kka@cs.hull.ac.uk kka2@seq.hull.ac.uk \enddata{text822, 29789} \begindata{text822, 35178} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:04:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:04:05 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1046+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu, bobg@zindigo.z-code.com, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames CC: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, zhm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9302032017.AA13829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: <9302032017.AA13829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,1552368} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Regarding the problem using Flames under hupx, below is window dump of a messages session after attempting to read a new mail message with Flames enabled (.AMS.flames exists in home area). The system type is hp700_ux805, and the Andrew version is 5.1. The presence of *any* flames program causes this same error, but the program used in this example is as follows: -------------------------------- (defun rdew-mail-hook (msg) (post-by-keyword msg "mail" '( (("to" "cc")("firewalls" )("Firewalls")) (("from")("Fajman")("RAF")) (("to" "cc")("metamail")("Metamail")) (("to" "cc")("frisbee")("Frisbee")) ))) (load "flib") ; The standard flames library -------------------------------- For those without graphics capability, the error reported says, "Messages in /afs/alw.nih.gov/dcrt/Mailbox could not be properly read and delivered (0 successes, 1 failure (0 locked, 0 in progress)) FLAMES ERROR: Bad Arguments in ELI-PRIMITIVE [RE_STRCONTAINTS (compiling regular expression)] <"@\\rr\\230@\\rr\\23\\231""> \begindata{raster,7048128} 2 0 68266 68266 0 0 500 500 bits 7048128 500 500 /aa/aa/aa-aaa0 | /55/55/55-55b0 | bfZZZGf0 | 7fZZZG70 | /bb/bb/bb-bbf0 | bfZZZGf0 | 6e/ee/ee/ee+ee ddb0 | bf/fb/fb/fb+fb Gf0 | bb/7f/7f/7f+7f b7f0 | bf/ef/ef/ef+ef fdb0 | 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written to ask about membership in the Consortium and suggesting that I post some information. Appended below is our standard description of the Consortium. Regular readers here are probably familiar with the first part describing AUIS itself; the second part describes the three levels of membership. If I can help you join in any way, please call on me via one of the "access modes" (email, phone, USmail, or personal visit) indicated at the end of the description. With my broken foot these days, I am sometimes at home where you can call me at 412 421 5121. Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium (412) 268-6788 wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - Andrew Consortium School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon 3 February 1993 The School of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon has established the Andrew Consortium to maintain and enhance the Andrew User Interface System (AUIS), including the Andrew User Environment, the Andrew Toolkit (ATK), and the Andrew Message System. The Consortium offers outside organizations the opportunity to participate in the development of AUIS, utilize the latest advances in-house, and undertake commercial exploitation with the active support of the developers. The Andrew User Interface System is both an integrated set of interactive applications and an extensible, object-oriented toolkit for graphical user interfaces. Implemented under the X Window System, AUIS features architectures for data streams, printing, and communication between an object and its enclosure. Media types include: typographically-styled text, raster images, drawings, tables, spreadsheets, equations, animations, buttons, sliders, dials, and many others. Many objects, including the first five listed, can contain embedded objects. Most can serve as standalone editors for objects of their type. Major AUIS applications include a generic multimedia editor called ez, a previewer, command typescript interface, and online help. The most widely-used AUIS application is the Andrew Message System (AMS), a sophisticated electronic mail management system. AMS exploits ATK to aid users in writing, reading, and organizing multimedia messages; it also supports an electronic mail and bulletin board database, and provides for access to mail from character-based terminals. AMS messages may contain any ATK objects for transfer to the next office or far away. As installed at Carnegie Mellon, over four thousand bulletin boards are available, including netnews and the Dow-Jones news service. AUIS was developed by the Information Technology Center as a joint project of IBM and Carnegie Mellon designed to support the needs of the campus community for creating and communicating multimedia information. The system is now widely used in research laboratories as a base for user interface development because of its open architecture and extensive set of existing high-level media objects, especially text. Several academic and business organizations have deployed AUIS as the user support environment for programming, document preparation, and document access. AUIS has been a basis for at least one commercial product. The Andrew Consortium provides a comprehensive window into further development of the Andrew System. Members share up-to-date information and applications, develop technical expertise in creating Andrew media objects, and help shape the future of the system. The overall efforts of the Consortium staff are directed toward + increased quality in existing ATK media, + enhancements, including a direct manipulation interface builder, + embedding of applications such as generic X applications, + increased potential for transition from ATK to successor systems + interoperability with standards such as Posix, Motif, C++, OLE, and SGML. The Consortium will from time to time distribute its source via the X Consortium, but on-going corrections and enhancements will be available only to members. The latest public release is 5.1.0, available in both source and object form on a CDrom. The latest member release is 5.2.0. Membership in the Consortium is offered to organizations interested in exploiting Andrew technology within their operations or products. All members support the consortium as it + Enhances, maintains, and distributes the ATK software base. + Conducts an annual meeting to review progress and set priorities. + Distributes a quarterly newsletter + Monitors the info-andrew mailing list. Associate members, for a grant of $2000, enjoy frequent source updates for internal use at one institution and non-voting participation in the consortium annual meeting. Contributing membership gives the donor of a grant for $25,000 additionally permits the members to redistribute the code in non-source form for a nominal royalty fee. Contributing members receive modest support in response to problems. Full membership provides, in exchange for a grant of $150,000, access to the ATK developers with further opportunities to learn how to exploit ATK, understand its internals, and influence its future. Specifically: + All the benefits of contributing membership. + Incorporation of any desired member changes into the central source, thereby minimizing the effort to import new versions. + Comprehensive education and technical support. + Direct contact with established experts in object-oriented graphic application development. + Voting rights in deciding Consortium priorities. For further information contact: Dr. Wilfred J. Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium Carnegie Mellon, 106 Smith Hall 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213 (412) 268-6788 wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu \enddata{text822, 98990} \begindata{text822, 105939} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 19:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 19:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 3 Feb 93 19:33:44 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Wed, 3 Feb 1993 19:32:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 19:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: bobg@zindigo.Z-Code.COM, Bob_Dew@alw.NIH.GOV, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.AC.UK, ebc@hpsmtc1.CUP.HP.COM, info-andrew+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU, mdb@compsci.liverpool.AC.UK, advisory@compsci.liverpool.AC.UK, wang@compsci.liverpool.AC.UK, chen1@compsci.liverpool.AC.UK, zhm@compsci.liverpool.AC.UK Cc: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Subject: FLAMES on HP Thank you all for your interest in FLAMES on the HP. We now believe we have found a bug in system construction that accounts for the problems. (A linker confusion between our regular expression package and one on the HP.) A fix should be available soon. Fred Hansen Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon (412) 268-6788 wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu \enddata{text822, 105939} \begindata{text822, 107705} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 04:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 04:16:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for INFO-ANDREW; Thu, 4 Feb 93 04:16:42 EST Received: from ess.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:15:25 +0000 Received: from hermes.mod.uk by ESS.Cs.Ucl.AC.UK via PSS with NIFTP id aa00898; 4 Feb 93 9:11 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 9:13 GMT From: Mark Templeton 02-Feb-1993 1550 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid"@HERMES.MOD.UK> To: INFO-ANDREW <@ess.cs.ucl.ac.uk:INFO-ANDREW@EDU.CMU.ANDREW> Subject: A few questions on ULTRIX I am in the unfortunate position of having a mailhost running DEC ULTRIX, behind a gateway running DEC VMS. This causes a few problems: 1. DEC sendmail puts a "From" line at the top of each message, not a "From:" line. Changing the rule in sendmail.cf does not help. "strings" reveals that the string "From" is built into sendmail itself. 2. The gateway does not run TCP/IP; it will only talk DECnet to us. Therefore addresses need to be of the form hermes::cbs::ess::edu.cmu.andrew::info-andrew 3. DECnet or sendmail [I don't know which] objects to a `+' character in an address. The effect of 1 is that messages cannot tell where one message ends and the next begins. The problem with 2 is that messages does not like this form of addressing. The problem with 3 is that I cannot mail andrew accounts. SOLUTIONS?? Is there a quick hack to solve any of the above? Should I install the Andrew message router? Will it solve any of the above? Can the message router be used without AFS? Where can I buy AFS? Thank you in advance. 0 00000000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 The Druid 0 alias Mark D Templeton B1013 Internet : Mark.Templeton%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk RSRE(S) Janet : Mark.Templeton@hermes.mod.uk St Andrews Road Malvern Internal : druid@caercn Worcestershire WR14 3PS Phone UK : 0684-892733 x2109 United Kingdom Phone Intl: +44-684-892733 x2109 \enddata{text822, 107705} \begindata{text822, 110804} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 04:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 04:24:00 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 04:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.kun.nl by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 4 Feb 93 04:21:27 EST Received: by zeus.cs.kun.nl id AA06196 (5.65c8/1.0 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:21:17 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4.41 via MS.5.6.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4_41; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:21:16 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4fQC0AS3fW414_o0x2@cs.kun.nl> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:21:16 +0100 (MET) From: Harco de Hilster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, "K.K.Akosa" Subject: Re: Problems with ADEW and Mail In-Reply-To: <4243.9302032027@cs.hull.ac.uk> References: <4243.9302032027@cs.hull.ac.uk> Excerpts from andrew.mailing-list: 3-Feb-93 Problems with ADEW and Mail "K.K.Akosa"@cs.hull.ac.u (4333) > I have a problem with building ATK v 5.1 on Sun-4. This site is setup > as follows We have the same configuration here (+NFS) and I recall having some of your problems. > csug3kka@olympus.9--> more site.h > /* CMU-local overrides to the distributed system.mcr file. The > distributed version */ > /* of this file is empty, and patches are never sent for it. */ ......... > #undef RESOLVER_ENV > I think you must define RESOLVER_ENV. > The problem is basically to do with the mail programs and the adew > program. The ADEW application works OK until I select the > createcontroller option in the adew menu. The following occurs Can't help you with this one, never tried it. Perhaps you have an old > version of awk. Did you try gawk. > Second Problem > -------------- > typing messages causes nothing to appear, the prompt simply disappears > for a second and then re appears. I therefore decided to run messages by > typing /usr/andrew/etc/amsdemo > this causes the following to occur > csug3kka@watkyn.44--> /usr/andrew/etc/amsdemo > Starting messages (Version 8.5, ATK 5.1); please wait... > csug3kka@watkyn.45--> ERROR! ERROR! ERROR! YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE!!! It's strange that typing messages does nothing and amsdemo (which yust sets some env. variables and then starts messages) does. I can think of two reasons: 1) A path is incorrect. Either in your config-defines or in your AndrewSetup file. 2) I had some trouble with libresolv.a. ATK 5.0 created a libresolv.so.1.1 in $(ANDREWDIR)/lib. ATK5.1 doesn't, but somehow needs it anyway. I copied the shared resolver lib to lib, and Gary Keim provided the following path to andrew/overhead/class/cmd/Imakefile: ------------------------- #ifdef RESOLVER_ENV #ifdef LIBDL_ENV RESOLVER_LIB = SYSLIBS = -L$\{DESTDIR\}/lib -lresolv #else /* LIBDL_ENV */ RESOLVER_LIB = $\{RESOLVLIB\} SYSLIBS = #endif /* LIBDL_ENV */ #endif /* RESOLVER_ENV */ Change that section to: #ifdef RESOLVER_ENV RESOLVER_LIB = $\{RESOLVLIB\} #endif --------------------- Somehow it had also something to do with Sparc users being unable to bring up remote windows!!?? > messages then started up with 23 messages which were from root@??? > I then tried to forward mail to a friend. I entered his username > 'csug3ptc' and then chose send/post option in the messages-send menu. > The To panel changed and displayed his full name but it then corrupted > the mail address and produced csug3ptc@watkyn.uk.ac.hull.cs rather than > csug3ptc@uk.ac.hull.cs or even csug3ptc@cs.hull.ac.uk .A dialog then > appeared and displayed the following message > Submission failed: Can't write message to /usr/lib/sendmail: Error > number 0 For this you have to read the help file Setup about ten times (at least I did). First of all you need the resolver code by defining RESOLVER_ENV in site.h. We had troubles here with MX records. I have no idea what they are, but they caused trouble. So I have the lines: AMS_DeliveryViaDomainMXAddress: no AMS_HardHostValidationErrors: no in $(ANDREWDIR)/AndewSetup. Next you must figure out what domainname and hostname produce at your site. You can then set ThisDomain, AMS_ValidDomainSuffixes and AMS_DeliveryViaGethostbyname accordingly. Let me know if you need more information. Regards, Harco \enddata{text822, 110804} \begindata{text822, 115801} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 05:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 05:30:11 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 05:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.kun.nl by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 4 Feb 93 05:26:44 EST Received: by zeus.cs.kun.nl id AA09453 (5.65c8/1.0 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:26:38 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4.41 via MS.5.6.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4_41; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:26:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:26:36 +0100 (MET) From: Harco de Hilster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: "Info-Andrew" Subject: Re: Flames I would like to report a modest problem with the regular expression package too. This is a part of the Flames file: ((a-pat-in-any-str "vakken\.(.*)" locextrs) (post-to-list msg locextrs "mail.lost" (replyaddr msg "sender") "bbsman@cs.kun.nl" "There was a problem delivering your message\n Does this bboard exists?\n Contact the bbsman if you have any questions" NIL '( (("(.*)\.m1\.(.*)") ("marcs" "frodol" "meriams") "You are not allowed to post on this vakken.m1 bboard") (("(.*)\.m2\.(.*)") ("wupper" "frodol" "adridg") "You are not allowed to post on this vakken.m2 bboard") (("(.*)\.s&o\.(.*)") ("ef" "krahmer" "casperv") "You are not allowed to post on this vakken.s&o bboard") (("(.*)\.sp\.(.*)") ("hansj" "harcoh") "You are not allowed to post on this vakken.sp bboard") ((".*\.gip1$" ".*\.gip1\.mededelingen") ("will" "harries") "You are not allowed to post on this gip bulletin board. Use the discussion board instead.") (("\.p1\.") ("niekd" "hans" "jeroenh" "mjilsen" "wolmetb" "gwenvdv" "manuelp") "You are not allowed to post on this vakken.p1 bboard") ))) ---------------------------- When a message is posted to 'vakken.basis.gip1 It matches the last two! rules. I tried all sort of variations, but it makes no difference. I know there are a lot of unnecessary (.*) in the reg. expressions, but gip1 should never match \.p1\. It all boils down to the RE_STRCONTAINS primitive, and thus librxp.a. An explanation would be that quoting the period doesn't work properly. Version: ATK 5.1 System: Sun4, SunOs 4.1 Compiler: cc Any hints? Regards, Harco de Hilster University of Nijmegen The Netherlands \enddata{text822, 115801} \begindata{text822, 118989} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 07:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 07:24:34 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 07:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lune.csc.liv.ac.uk by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail; Thu, 4 Feb 93 07:23:06 EST Received: from ind.csc.liv.ac.uk by lune.csc.liv.ac.uk with SMTP (16.8/LUCS-1.3) id AA16796; Thu, 4 Feb 93 12:22:39 GMT Received: by ind.csc.liv.ac.uk id AA17198; Thu, 4 Feb 93 12:22:38 GMT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.indus.HP9000.710 via MS.5.6.indus.hp700; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 12:22:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0fQEeC00000012QVw0@indus> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 12:22:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: bobg@zindigo.Z-Code.COM, Bob_Dew@alw.NIH.GOV, R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, ebc@hpsmtc1.CUP.HP.COM, info-andrew+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU, advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, zhm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: FLAMES on HP Cc: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@ANDREW.CMU.EDU In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from mail: 3-Feb-93 FLAMES on HP Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.c (343) > Thank you all for your interest in FLAMES on the HP. We now believe > we have found a bug in system construction that accounts for the > problems. (A linker confusion between our regular expression package > and one on the HP.) > A fix should be available soon. > Fred Hansen > Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon > (412) 268-6788 wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu Fred, Thanks for the update. Do you want us to continue investigating the problem? I am sure we can test out any patch very quickly, if that helps. Martin Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science, Telephone 051-794-3672 University of Liverpool, Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box 147, EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL. L69 3BX. United Kingdom. \enddata{text822, 118989} \begindata{text822, 121764} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:40:55 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , Mark Templeton 02-Feb-1993 1550 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid"@HERMES.MOD.UK> Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX In-Reply-To: References: > I am in the unfortunate position of having a mailhost running > DEC ULTRIX, behind a gateway running DEC VMS. This causes a > few problems: Yuck! Sounds like you need to go from TCP/IP-->DECnet-->TCP/IP in order to reach the outside world. This may require some clever gateway writing. Messages understands Internet (domain) and UUCP address formatting styles, but not DECnet (or anything else, for matter). So if you use messages, you must compose addresses that look like Internet or UUCP mailings. You're not altogether stuck, though, in going from TCP/IP to DECnet using messages as your mail user interface. You need to compose your mail messages using Internet (or UUCP) style addressing, but then translate the headers to DECnet-style addresses before passing them to the VMS gateway. Messages itself can't do this--the translation has to be done within the sendmail configuration file that your AMS uses to transport its mail. To send a message that goes outside of your VMS gateway, then, you would need to "tag" it somehow so that your AMS postoffice (your sendmail program) would know that this message contained a non-local address. The "tag" would look something like an appended domain name, like "your_address.DNET". Look at the "setup" help file for AMS_ValidDomainSuffixes and AMS_ValidDomainRelays. Tagged sendmail addresses then need to be translated into DECnet-style addresses by the AMS postoffice machine, before forwarding them to the VMS gateway. This is accomplished by sendmail rewriting rules (having nothing directly to do with AMS). By the way, except for distribution lists of the form "+dist+", you can safely strip the trailing "+" from AMS addresses (via AMS's sendmail.cf) if your gateway complains. Good luck! (Could you bypass the DECnet side of things by using a UUCP connection from your ULTRIX machine to your DECnet-to-SMTP gateway machine?). -Bob \enddata{text822, 121764} \begindata{text822, 125523} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:56:41 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 465+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Martin Beer Subject: Re: FLAMES on HP CC: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <0fQEeC00000012QVw0@indus> References: <0fQEeC00000012QVw0@indus> \begindata{text,538814176} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The fix involves renaming the regexp functions and variables exported from the library in andrew/overhead/rxp. Query replacing as follows should solve the problem. regcomp -> reg_comp regexec ->reg_exec regdump->reg_dump regnarrate->reg_narrate regsub->reg_sub regerror->reg_error files: regexp.c regexp.h regsub.c We believe these functions are only used in libeli. (overhead/eli/lib) prims1.c prims2.c Hope this helps, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538814176} \enddata{text822, 125523} \begindata{text822, 127381} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Martin Beer Subject: Re: FLAMES on HP CC: bb+org.itc.atk.ia-trail@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: <0fQEeC00000012QVw0@indus> Excerpts from mail: 4-Feb-93 Re: FLAMES on HP => Info-Andrew@andrew.cm (465+0) > We believe these functions are only used in libeli. (overhead/eli/lib) As it turns out the regexp functions are also used in help: ./atk/help/src/help.c A grep of the source tree located only this one additional file. -Rob \enddata{text822, 127381} \begindata{text822, 128939} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 13:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 12:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 4 Feb 93 12:57:44 EST Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-921118-1) id AA04542; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:55:54 -0800 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921206-1) id AA04247; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:55:52 -0800 Received: from zindigo by z-code.com (4.1/NBN-16/ZC-7) id AA20057; Thu, 4 Feb 93 09:49:21 PST Received: by zindigo (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @z-code.z-code.com:andrew.cmu.edu!info-andrew id AA00073; Thu, 4 Feb 93 09:53:57 -0800 From: bobg@zindigo.z-code.com (Bob Glickstein) Message-Id: <9302040953.ZM71@zindigo.z-code.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:53:56 -0800 In-Reply-To: Harco de Hilster "Re: Flames" (Feb 4, 11:26am) References: Organization: Z-Code Software Corp., Marin County, CA Reply-To: Bob Glickstein X-Face: =($SY|/2Odk(K$UOYYH88u8x@sP9c'l[^RZwSi<=~B9w.bD}Xueurgex5p1D:0')q.qr8iC%%|X5/3)Fyw-_/+i2V29(;~Rgf.@|7qE,<,cz_3V)c1OZ\yZj'f:QRM=9EqQ?\v&apsKCVfLuQ$46j!B,WJ"~/,A-+KjI;0j7ymyLC5j3gBm} X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.2 11jan93) To: Harco de Hilster , "Info-Andrew" Subject: Re: Flames >>>>> On Feb 4, 11:26am, Harco de Hilster said: This is a part of the Flames file: [...] (("(.*)\.m1\.(.*)") [...] (("(.*)\.m2\.(.*)") [...] (("(.*)\.s&o\.(.*)") [...] (("(.*)\.sp\.(.*)") [...] ((".*\.gip1$" ".*\.gip1\.mededelingen") [...] (("\.p1\.") [...] When a message is posted to 'vakken.basis.gip1 It matches the last two! rules. I tried all sort of variations, but it makes no difference. I know there are a lot of unnecessary (.*) in the reg. expressions, but gip1 should never match \.p1\. It shouldn't match \.p1\. but it *does* match .p1. When you want to put a backslash into a regular expression in a string, you must escape the backslash with another backslash. The Lisp parser that reads the string turns "\\" into `\', and then the single backslash is passed through to the regular expression package. If you only write "\." in a string, the single backslash is removed and just `.' is passed to the RE package. The RE's above can be changed to "\\.m1\\." "\\.m2\\." "\\.s&o\\." "\\.sp\\." "\\.gip1$" "\\.gip1\\.mededelingen" "\\.p1\\." Cheers. -- Bob Glickstein Z-Code Software Corp. 4340 Redwood Highway Suite B-50 San Rafael, CA 94903 (415) 499-8649 \enddata{text822, 128939} \begindata{text822, 132274} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 13:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 13:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fQK39G00hYS8kQKVF@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 13:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1260+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send Enclosure: ---- Enclosure ---- To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Problems with ADEW and Mail In-Reply-To: <4fQC0AS3fW414_o0x2@cs.kun.nl> References: <4243.9302032027@cs.hull.ac.uk> <4fQC0AS3fW414_o0x2@cs.kun.nl> \begindata{text,538960704} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 3-Feb-93 Problems with ADEW and Mail "K.K.Akosa"@cs.hull.ac.u (4333)} \quotation{The problem is basically to do with the mail programs and the adew }\quotation{program. } \quotation{... I then decided to save the ADEW file and run creatcon manually. } \quotation{this produced the following } \quotation{csug3kka@watkyn.81--> createcon ez3 }\quotation{Creating a controller for ez3. Please wait... }\quotation{running awk -f /usr/local/other/andrew/lib/arbiters/conpros.awk ez3 }\quotation{awk: funcs is not an array }\quotation{ record number 454 } Apparently some versions of awk have decided to make the word 'funcs' a reserved word and this has bitten my awk scripts. The following shell script can be used to edit the two awk scripts to make them usable with this version of awk. These scripts are in the .../atk/adew and are installed in $ANDREWDIR/lib/arbiters, so fixing the later should get adew working, and fixing the former will keep you working the next time you install Andrew. Alternately, you could try changing your path to use /bin/awk, which on most machines should work correctly, though your site may have things configured differently . Good Luck, Tom N. ---- Enclosure ---- ed conpros.awk < X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:18:40 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:17:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:17:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 264+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Andrew on Solaris 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538838220} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Feb-93 Andrew on Solaris 2.0 Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (406*)} \quotation{However, NO dynamically }\quotation{loaded objects will run, which effectively means you can't use Console, }\quotation{Messages, etc. } How does it fail? Any error messages? Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538838220} \enddata{text822, 135043} \begindata{text822, 136648} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:20:55 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:20:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:20:16 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 552+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames In-Reply-To: References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,538838220} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Feb-93 Re: Andrew, particularly Fl.. Bob Dew@alw.nih.gov (519*)} \quotation{The addition of HP as an AUIS supported platform is enticing, but }\quotation{unfortunately, in addition to Flames not working, console, tm and }\quotation{typescript also have bugs that render AUIS crippled as a usable user }\quotation{interface. } The \bold{console} work simply needs to be done... no mystery there. \bold{Tm} & \bold{typescript} probably need some additional cpp hackery. I was under the impression that tm worked better than typescript but that it did work. Am I wrong? Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538838220} \enddata{text822, 136648} \begindata{text822, 138606} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 17:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 17:01:46 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 17:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:59:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 16:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 969+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Gary Keim , Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames In-Reply-To: References: <9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk> \begindata{text,9765392} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \quotation{The \bold{console} work simply needs to be done... no mystery there. \bold{Tm} & \bold{typescript} probably need some additional cpp hackery. I was under the impression that tm worked better than typescript but that it did work. Am I wrong? } That's about right. On the HP, tm works except for an echo problem and an inability to interpret control characters, like ^C. Typescript comes up, but won't echo any input. The SGI is worse off, though. The tm code doesn't exist at all, and typescript seg faults on startup. Console doesn't perform load monitoring on either platform, and neither does it intercept console messages. But messages works great! (on the HP, anyway. SGI's have a problem with the lockf system call when used in conjunction with NFS-mounted directories). Problems withstanding, AUIS is really coming along. Its great seeing relatively identical sets of freely distributed user interface tools across such a diverse set of computer architectures. -Bob \enddata{text,9765392} \enddata{text822, 138606} \begindata{text822, 141565} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:16:06 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 5 Feb 93 08:13:33 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 93 08:13:31 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 93 08:13:30 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 677+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Andrew on Solaris 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: I think Bill Cattey has explained this to me -- the problem is the switch from= a.out to EFF as a dynamic loading format. This makes me optimistic that reco= mpiling the world might suffice. (Has anyone tried this on a Solaris machine = yet?) For the record, the error message when you try to dynamic loading are of this = form: doload: Error finding entry point of package "/usr/local/pkg/X11/andr= ew/dlib/atk/msgsa.do" - ld.so.1: messages: dlsym: can't find symbol messagesap= p__GetClassInfo runapp: Invalid argument runapp: Error loading the application messagesapp. With any luck I'll find time to try rebuilding the world next week, and we'll = see if that fixes things. -- NB \enddata{text822, 141565} \begindata{text822, 144175} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 14:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 14:56:48 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 14:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 5 Feb 93 14:53:49 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11560; Fri, 5 Feb 93 14:53:35 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA01770; Fri, 5 Feb 93 14:53:31 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 14:53:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8fQgKukGf04746pnNA@athena.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 14:53:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew doesn't work at all for me under Solaris 2.0. I run ez; the window comes up and says initializing; then the window silently disappears. When I do: runapp -d ezapp -d I get the helpful message: AlarmClock What in the WORLD is that all about? Why doesn't Nathaniel get it? Is it because my ez is compiled with AFS_ENV enabled? -wdc \enddata{text822, 144175} \begindata{text822, 146029} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:39:59 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 5 Feb 93 15:37:27 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 93 15:37:19 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 93 15:37:18 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:37:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4fQgzqu0M2YtQ7NAFz@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:37:10 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 561+2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Interpart.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtI7NA98" To: Bill Cattey Subject: Re: Andrew doesn't work at all for me under Solaris 2.0. Cc: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <8fQgKukGf04746pnNA@athena.mit.edu> References: <8fQgKukGf04746pnNA@athena.mit.edu> > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader does not support MIME. > Please read the first section, which is plain text, and ignore the rest. --Interpart.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtI7NA98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 5-Feb-93 Andrew doesn't work at all .. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (292*) > I get the helpful message: > AlarmClock > What in the WORLD is that all about? AlarmClock! Don't you get it, Bill? Do I have to spell it out for you? A L A R M C L O C K There, now do you understand? What? You don't? Let me try again:[An Andrew ToolKit view (alinkview) was included here, but could not be displayed.] Still don't get it? How about this:[An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but could not be displayed.] (Can you say "Mickey Mouse"?) Boy some people are just so dense that they don't understand a simple error message! And you call yourself a programmer....-- Nathaniel --Interpart.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtI7NA98 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Alternative.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtQ7NA5U" --Alternative.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtQ7NA5U Content-type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 5-Feb-93 Andrew doesn't wor= k at all .. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (292*) I get the helpful message: AlarmClock What in the WORLD is that all about? AlarmClock! Don't you get it, Bill? Do I have to spell it out for you? A L A R M C L O C K There, now do you understand? What? You don't? 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Boy some people are just so dense that they don't understand a simple error me= ssage! And you call yourself a programmer....-- Nathaniel --Alternative.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtQ7NA5U-- --Interpart.Boundary.kfQgzpq0M2YtI7NA98-- \enddata{text822, 146029} \begindata{text822, 176769} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:20:21 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:18:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1477+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: low-level scrolling support? \begindata{text,538837240} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} We are contemplating adding scrolling support to the basic view class. The goal would be to provide pixel-wise scrolling using bit-blitting, which would automatically keep track of the offset from the "origin", and account for stipple alignment. The proposed methods are: view_SetOffset(struct view *self, long dx, long dy) After this call drawing at (0,0) would actually be shifted to (dx,dy) relative to the logical top of the view. (The logical top being where the inset is located in it's parent's space, without regard to clipping.) view_GetOffset(struct view *self, long *dx, long *dy) Gets the current offset. view_ScrollVertical(struct view *self, long dy) This would blit the view vertically down dy pixels (dy<0 would imply upward motion), and generate view_PartialRedraw FullUpdates for any area which is left unfilled by the blit. view_ScrollHorizontal(struct view *self, long dx) This would blit the view horizontally right dx pixels (dx<0 would imply upward motion), and generate view_PartialRedraw FullUpdates for any area which is left unfilled by the blit. view_ScrollBoth(struct view *self, long dx, long dy) This would blit the view horizontally and vertically down and right by (dx,dy) pixels (negative values would imply motion in up or left). FullUpdate would be called with view_PartialRedraw for any regions left unfilled by the blit. (The other two scrolling methods would simply call this one.) Comments? -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538837240} \enddata{text822, 176769} \begindata{text822, 179453} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:52:11 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 5 Feb 93 16:49:43 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23161; Fri, 5 Feb 93 16:49:27 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA00646; Fri, 5 Feb 93 16:49:25 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:49:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 16:49:25 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: We think we know what the "Alarm Clock" error is. We compiled ATK with AFS_ENV enabled. System 5 gets all choked up when the AFS code asks the kernel if there is AFS. I think I remember this same problem when we ran ATK on AIX3.2 sans AFS. -wdc \enddata{text822, 179453} \begindata{text822, 181205} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 18:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 18:41:12 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 18:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 5 Feb 93 18:39:01 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01195; Fri, 5 Feb 93 18:38:57 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA00720; Fri, 5 Feb 93 18:38:54 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 18:38:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 18:38:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: libclass.a is dynamic on sparc? I thought this used to just work. For several years, I have meticulously re-integrated ATK so that it was always possible to build it into one tree and run it out of a different one. (Wierd and silly things had to be done on the RS/6000 to guarantee this.) Today I look at runapp on my sun4 and get this as it's dynamic object dependency list: % ldd runapp /mit/andydevo/texport/5.1/sparcsun/lib/libclass.a -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.7.3 I CAN'T have libclass there when my users run! What in the WORLD has happened that is causing that path to end up hard coded? I see that the Imakefile always says: CLASSLIB = ${BASEDIR}/lib/libclass.a Now I see there is a LIBDL_ENV in overhead/class/lib. It's not documented anywhere... Would someone PLEASE remind me how to make this work. (I used to know, but I've been busy with the Evil Motif Toolkit for too long, and my brain has turned to Powdered Toast.) -wdc \enddata{text822, 181205} \begindata{text822, 183718} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:12:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fQk9Ti00WohJ3vZRr@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 412+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Bill Cattey Subject: Re: libclass.a is dynamic on sparc? CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539086000} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 5-Feb-93 libclass.a is dynamic on sp.. Bill Cattey@Athena.MIT.E (971*)} \quotation{I CAN'T have libclass there when my users run! }\quotation{What in the WORLD has happened that is causing that path to end up hard coded? } You need to change CLASSLIBS in atk/apps/Imakefile to \bold{-L$(BASEDIR)/lib -lclass} and then install libclass as \bold{libclass.so.0.1}. I know .... we're baaad, very baaaad. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539086000} \enddata{text822, 183718} \begindata{text822, 185523} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bernina.ethz.ch by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 5 Feb 93 19:35:26 EST Received: from nessie by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound id <20462-0@bernina.ethz.ch>; Sat, 6 Feb 1993 01:35:13 +0100 Received: by nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch; Sat, 6 Feb 93 01:35:06 +0100 From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Message-Id: <9302060035.AA15940@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch> Subject: Probelm with arb/cel To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 1:35:05 CET Hello, lately a strange effect showend up to me. Perhaps somebody out there can help me ? I have an inset (done with arb) containing a 'button'. I want to set the label of the button to certain string-values at runtime. In permsv__go() I do: disp.owner=strdup(buf); cel=celview_GetCel(celview_GetCelviewFromView(self->ownerView)); cel_SetStringAtt (cel, "label", disp.owner); This works. Later in ownerCallBack() I do: disp.owner=strdup(buf); cel=celview_GetCel(celview_GetCelviewFromView(self->ownerView)); printf("setting %s\n",disp.owner); cel_SetStringAtt (cel, "label", disp.owner); (Mainly the same thing as above, just with different 'buf') The disp.owner-field as shown by the printf contains a new value, which is NOT set in the button. But the same thing for an 'onoff'-Button setting either "top label" or "bottom label" repeatedly during runtime works perfectly... Now have I to do something like notify_observers() or what ? Any help would be greatly appreciated... Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni \enddata{text822, 185523} \begindata{text822, 187659} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 22:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 22:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 5 Feb 1993 22:16:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 22:16:20 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim To: Info-Andrew , caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: Probelm with arb/cel In-Reply-To: <9302060035.AA15940@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch> References: <9302060035.AA15940@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch> Excerpts from misc: 6-Feb-93 Probelm with arb/cel Germano Caronni@nessie.c (1030) > (Mainly the same thing as above, just with different 'buf') > The disp.owner-field as shown by the printf contains a new > value, which is NOT set in the button. Does the correct value appear when the window is redrawn (^L)? Gary Keim \enddata{text822, 187659} \begindata{text822, 189152} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 6 Feb 1993 01:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 6 Feb 1993 01:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 6 Feb 93 01:19:58 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA20549; Fri, 5 Feb 93 22:18:40 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Feb 93 06:50:50 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Andrew on Solaris 2.0 Message-Id: <16808@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >However, NO dynamically >loaded objects will run, which effectively means you can't use Console, >Messages, etc. Has anyone yet figured out the simplest way to get >dynamic loading working on Solaris? Well, depends on what you mean by "way to get dynamic loading on Solaris". The SunOS 4.1 dynamic linking code in "overhead/class/machdep/sun_sparc_41" should, by and large, Just Work with SVR4's dynamic linking code; after all, the SunOS 4.1 "dlopen()"/"dlsym()"/etc. interface that it uses was originally invented by AT&T, although they didn't have an implementation of it until SVR4; Sun just implemented the same interface in 4.1. (The whole reason it did the code in question was really for SVR4, not SunOS 4.1; I wanted to make sure nobody did something Completely Silly such as making the "load and relocate the '.do' file yourself" code know about ELF, but would instead just use "dlopen()" and company.) However, the "-ldl" in Solaris 2.x does *not* appear to understand SunOS 4.1-style shareable-object files; it only understands SVR4-style shareable-object files. Thus, the only way to actually *use* the code in question would be to build native Solaris 2.x versions of the ATK stuff; that may involve a lot more than just getting dynamic loading going, and therefore might not be particularly simple. However, if somebody's *already* ported ATK to SVR4, that can probably be used as the basis for a Solaris 2.x port (and if anything is found that *doesn't* Just Work, unless it's because the port in question was a port to an architecture other than SPARC, it's arguably a bug that should be reported to Sun; Solaris 2.x *does*, after all, claim to be "UNIX(R) System V Release 4" when you telnet to it). Whether doing an SVR4 SPARC port of ATK would be easier than getting Sun to change their version of the SVR4 run-time loader to know about SunOS 4.x shareable objects, I don't know. *Has* anybody already done an SVR4 port? Is anybody working on one? \enddata{text822, 189152} \begindata{text822, 192450} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 6 Feb 1993 05:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 6 Feb 1993 05:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 6 Feb 93 05:50:44 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA02166; Sat, 6 Feb 93 02:39:01 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Feb 93 22:36:40 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: styles Message-Id: <16756@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <9302010817.AA25927@a>, <0fPKLo_00gpm9kGVQN@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >The following face attributes are implemented > Bold Italic FixedFace Actually, I'm not sure "FixedFace" is *really* a face attribute in the same sense that "Bold" and "Italic" are; for example, on my machine, the X11(/NeWS) server claims to have both "bold" and "medium" weight versions of New Century Schoolbook, and to have both regular and italic versions of those, but doesn't have a "fixed font" version of it. I.e., I think "FixedFace" is an attribute that a font either has or doesn't; I don't know of any cases where a given font has both fixed and non-fixed faces. >and these are meaningless: > Shadow Outline Thin Black Medium Heavy Condense I'm far from a Full-Fledged Font Queen(TM), so I may just be confused here, but I had the impression that "Medium" was sort of the default - i.e., if it wasn't Bold or Heavy or Semibold or whatever, it was Medium. That seems to be the convention used in the XLFD, for example. However, the version of "atk/basics/x/xfontd.c" that I think came in the ATK 5.1 distribution selects an XLFD WeightName value of "demibold" in "xfontdesc_LoadXFont()" if Medium is set and Bold isn't set (if Bold is set, it selects "bold"); if neither are set, it selects "medium". Also, that version also seem to semi-know about Condense; "XExplodeFontName()" recognizes any font with "narrow" or "semicondensed" in the appropriate XLFD field as being of type "Condense", although "xfontdesc_LoadXFont()" doesn't seem to do anything with it. I also stuck some things into the "xfontdesc_LoadXFont()" here to handle Black and Heavy, by selecting a WeightName of "black" or "heavy" if the flag in question is set, and into the "XExplodeFontName()" here to handle them by setting the Black or Heavy flags if the WeightName is "black" or "heavy". I suspect Shadow and possibly Outline may be attributes that a font either has or doesn't, like FixedFace; Thin might be another face attribute, although I suspect it's not in XLFD (I probably would have stuck it in). \enddata{text822, 192450} \begindata{text822, 195777} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:47:49 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:43:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0fRJVEa0ts4jA452ZI@alw.nih.gov> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1993 13:43:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 916+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: messages question \begindata{text,8697712} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} When built with AFS_ENV defined (for possible use with the Andrew Message Delivery System), how can messages be configured to read /usr/spool/mail? Even though AMDS *delivery* can be tuned off using AndrewSetup options, messages still consults only ~/Mailbox when looking for new mail. Changing the MailboxFile preference seems to affect where messages looks to find the AMS in-box, rather than signaling it to consult a ucb-style spooling area for new mail messages. It does this even when the following Setup option are defined: AMS_NonViceHost: yes AMS_LocalMailSystemExists: yes AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes OldSendmailProgram: /usr/lib/sendmail I suppose I could run "eatmail" as a PersonalMailCollectionCommand, or something, but isn't there a straight forward way of configuring an AMDS-equipped messages program to run as a simple front-end to sendmail? Thanks, Bob \enddata{text,8697712} \enddata{text822, 195777} \begindata{text822, 198427} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 15:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 15:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 7 Feb 93 15:53:46 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA14963; Sun, 7 Feb 93 12:47:15 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Feb 93 15:08:07 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!emory!emory!usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Mandelberg) Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Subject: Andrew on Macs and PCs? Message-Id: <1l0k8nINNmei@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu What is the current state of how PCs and Macs participate in Andrew (primarily the message service)? I'm a few years out of date, but the last I knew of this the connection was essentialy ascii oriented terminal emulation. Is this still the case? --- Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu PREFERRED Emory University | {rutgers,gatech}!emory!km UUCP Dept of Math and CS | km@emory.bitnet NON-DOMAIN BITNET Atlanta, GA 30322 | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963, FAX 727-5611 \enddata{text822, 198427} \begindata{text822, 200267} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 21:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 21:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 7 Feb 93 21:55:15 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA00472; Sun, 7 Feb 93 18:51:45 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Feb 93 21:14:21 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Andrew on Solaris 2.0 Message-Id: <16825@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >How does it fail? Any error messages? sos$ tm doload: Error finding entry point of package "/usr/andrew/dlib/atk/tma.do" - ld.so.1: tm: dlsym: can't find symbol tmapp__GetClassInfo runapp: Invalid argument runapp: Error loading the application tmapp. See my message in this thread for the most likely explanation of the problem (i.e., that the SunOS 5.x run-time loader hasn't a clue how to load SunOS 4.x shareable objects). \enddata{text822, 200267} \begindata{text822, 202058} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 22:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 22:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from carbon.chem.utah.edu by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 7 Feb 93 22:43:00 EST Received: by carbon.chem.utah.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24260; Sun, 7 Feb 1993 20:42:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1993 20:42:38 -0700 From: dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Message-Id: <9302080342.AA24260@carbon.chem.utah.edu> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Subject: Avoid "Empower" of Ness script The Ness documentation describes the construct: extend "buttonname" on event "buttonpushed" -- Ness code end event end extend and redefining keys, menus and so on by the lines in .atkinit: load ness call ness-load /usr/andrew/lib/my_script.n If I insert my_script.n in a help document and empower the script it works. If I use "call ness-load" in .atkinit I do not get an error message but it doesn't work. What am I missing? __ _ | ) o | | | \ | | | / _ |_ _ _ _| | | | _ | |/\ /_) | ^ ^ | | _) | / | | | | | ^ ^ |_) /_) | | \_/\___|_| | |_| |_(_|__|___\_| |_/__|_|_| | |_| \_/\___| Department of Chemistry Office: (801) 581-7351 2020 Henry Eyring Building b113 Home: (801) 582-7516 University of Utah FAX: (801) 581-8433 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 dunkel@chemistry.chem.utah.edu \enddata{text822, 202058} \begindata{text822, 204142} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:29:19 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:24:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2816+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Bob Dew Subject: Re: messages question In-Reply-To: <0fRJVEa0ts4jA452ZI@alw.nih.gov> References: <0fRJVEa0ts4jA452ZI@alw.nih.gov> \begindata{text,2644272} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The code in question is in \{andrew\}/ams/libs/ms/mungenew.c, near the beginning: if (homeUsesAMSDelivery < 0 && ( !(PersonalMailCollectionCommand || AMS_MailCollectionCommand) )) \{ char SpoolFileName[1 + MAXPATHLEN], *HomeBox, *SpoolFile; int numfound; /* Only convert /usr/spool/mail-type stuff if we're checking our personal mailbox */ HomeBox = GetPersonalMailbox(); sprintf(SpoolFileName, "%s/Mailbox", home); if (strcmp(HomeBox, SourceDir) == 0 || strcmp(SpoolFileName, SourceDir) == 0) \{ SpoolFile = getenv("MAIL"); if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile == '\\0') SpoolFile = getprofile("mailboxfile"); if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile == '\\0') \{ sprintf(SpoolFileName, "%s/%s", AMS_MailBoxPrefix, Me); \} else \{ strcpy(SpoolFileName, SpoolFile); \} mserrcode = ConvertIncomingMail(SpoolFileName, SourceDir, &numfound); if (mserrcode) return (mserrcode); \} \} Now, where is homeUsesAMSDelivery set? It's whether your home domain (as defined by FindAMSHomeCell()) uses AMDS for its local delivery system. (It's <0 if the domain definitely does NOT use AMDS, >0 if it definitely DOES use AMDS, and =0 if it can't tell.) FindAMSHomeCell() is defined in \{andrew\}/overhead/mail/lib/amsauth.c. Checking there, it seems that if your system really has ``AMS_NonViceHost: yes'' in its prevailing AndrewSetup, then the only code there that will pick the home cell will check for knowledge of ThisDomain, and failing that will check for knowledge of the workstation name. But Messages will try to be consistent, and you should be able to figure out what domain it thinks you're running in. When you run Messages with this AndrewSetup and start to send mail, in what domain are names validated? That is, if you open a new message to be sent, type the name of an addressee with no @domain qualification, and choose ``Other/Check Recipients'', what domain name is appended? The code that checks whether the domain in question runs AMDS is in \{andrew\}/overhead/mail/lib/ckamsdel.c, in routine CheckAMSDelivery(), which accepts a domain name. It contains the following comment: /* If AMS_DELIVERY_ENV is off, that means that we have no code to support AMS delivery in the current build. But if AMS_DeliverySystem is off, that means only that there's no AMS delivery system in ThisDomain, while the AMS delivery system may be in some other domains. Thus, even if AMS_DeliverySystem is off, we check explicitly. */ It then proceeds to perform an access("/afs/DOMAINNAME/service/mailqs", X_OK) call to check for AMDS support. Thus, if your ThisDomain is still alw.nih.gov and your machine has AFS running, it looks like Messages will assume that incoming mail is in ~userid/Mailbox and won't try reading /usr/spool/mail/userid. Is this accurate? Craig \enddata{text,2644272} \enddata{text822, 204142} \begindata{text822, 208455} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:06:49 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:02:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:02:40 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 447+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Bob Dew , Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: messages question In-Reply-To: References: <0fRJVEa0ts4jA452ZI@alw.nih.gov> \begindata{text,1656752} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \quotation{Thus, if your ThisDomain is still alw.nih.gov and your machine has AFS running, it looks like Messages will assume that incoming mail is in ~userid/Mailbox and won't try reading /usr/spool/mail/userid. Is this accurate? Craig } Accurate, as far as it goes--but additionally, if "ThisDomain" is set to "*" (domain name of current host), messages stills assumes that incoming mail is in ~userid/Mailbox, and /usr/spool/mail is ignored. -Bob \ \enddata{text,1656752} \enddata{text822, 208455} \begindata{text822, 210835} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:40:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Received: from GS1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 8 Feb 93 14:39:58 EST Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 14:36:52 EST From: John.Ockerbloom@GS1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU To: info-andrew@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Subject: Problem with = signs in addresses When people using Andrew Messages try to send mail to one of my =-sign mailboxes (such as spok=class2@cs.cmu.edu) they get back an 'Invalid address' error from the program. This is a perfectly legitimate address, though (as is spok+class2@cs.cmu.edu, which Messages doesn't complain about), adn I believe the convention is common enough (particularly in CMU CS) that it should be supported by Messages. Can this be fixed, or some reason given that it can't or shouldn't be fixed? Thanks. John Ockerbloom \enddata{text822, 210835} \begindata{text822, 212268} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:48:32 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:46:54 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 671+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Bob Dew Subject: Re: messages question In-Reply-To: References: <0fRJVEa0ts4jA452ZI@alw.nih.gov> , \begindata{text,2644272} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Feb-93 Re: messages question Bob Dew@alw.nih.gov (447+0)} \quotation{Accurate, as far as it goes--but additionally, if "ThisDomain" is set to "*" (domain name of current host), messages stills assumes that incoming mail is in ~userid/Mailbox, and /usr/spool/mail is ignored. } Perhaps I should have asked if this was helpful, not whether it was accurate. I'd encourage you to try to see what @domain gets added in the course of validation to determine if ThisDomain is being set the way you want it to be. I didn't check for differences between the code fragments that I posted/consulted and any fresher stuff from CMU, either. Craig \enddata{text,2644272} \enddata{text822, 212268} \begindata{text822, 214477} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:57:00 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:56:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2068+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , John.Ockerbloom@CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Problem with = signs in addresses In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,2644272} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Feb-93 Problem with = signs in add.. John.Ockerbloom@GS1.SP.C (508)} \quotation{When people using Andrew Messages try to send mail to one of my =-sign }\quotation{mailboxes (such as spok=class2@cs.cmu.edu) they get back an 'Invalid address' }\quotation{error from the program. This is a perfectly legitimate address, though }\quotation{(as is spok+class2@cs.cmu.edu, which Messages doesn't complain about), adn }\quotation{I believe the convention is common enough (particularly in CMU CS) that it }\quotation{should be supported by Messages. } \quotation{Can this be fixed, or some reason given that it can't or shouldn't be fixed? }\quotation{Thanks. } Sure it can be fixed, but you have to write your own address validation code to do it. There are hooks in Messages to express ``local-database'' address validation. The bug, if any, is in the options selected by /afs/cs.cmu.edu/service/configuration/AMS-Server, wherein it claims that the complete mail address space of the cs.cmu.edu mail domain is expressed by the Andrew-conventional interpretation of the cs.cmu.edu White Pages. Such conventional interpretation doesn't include breaking local names at equal-signs. Rather, the Andrew-conventional interpretation is to use either '+' or '#' as the address-breaking character. The '='-convention grew up independently, or possibly with some crossfertilization from the Andrew world. It happens to be very similar to the '+' convention. You might simply use the '+' convention in the addresses that you publish. Or, if you're asking for some kind of architectural alignment between these two independent conventions, you might get more mileage out of not calling for a ``fix''. As I say, if there's a ``bug,'' it's that the cs.cmu.edu publication of how local addresses can be interpreted is not sufficiently general. In defense of CMU CS Facilities, though, that publication via White Pages is really quite useful, no doubt within the CMU CS world, but also to us folks whose Messages programs will thus automatically validate addresses in the cs.cmu.edu cell without our having to be there. Craig \enddata{text,2644272} \enddata{text822, 214477} \begindata{text822, 218151} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:39:23 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 8 Feb 93 17:35:06 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11083; Mon, 8 Feb 93 17:34:20 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA06841; Mon, 8 Feb 93 17:32:57 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:32:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:32:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Beware of ANSI CPP and Imake. Cc: plee@Athena.MIT.EDU, Hal.Stern@east.sun.com The first step in attempting to compile on Solaris 2 one must make the Makefiles. Since there is no defined C compiler for Solaris, one gets into a bit or trouble when one build imake, which is also not defined. Using the gcc C preprocessor is a quick recipe for SERIOUS brain fry! imake.tmpl, containing the IBM copyright has a line: /**/#===================================== which is illegal. The $Disclaimer contains a line which begins: /**/# 1993. This... which is illegal. Any comment in an imakefile with a contraction such as don't is also illegal because it's an unterminated string. ---- You COULD compile the cpp on the X tape, except that the one I found in X11R4 is NOT ANSI COMPLIANT! (Editing out the single quotes in the comments seemed to help a bit.) ---- What we ended up doing was telling imake to run the SunOS 4.1.1's cpp in binary compatibility mode. That seemed to work. ---- The ANSI C Preprocessor violates an important software engineering principle: When writing a parser, be liberal in what you accept as input and rigorous in what you produce as output. ---- To those packaging up imake for Solaris 2, take heed! -wdc \enddata{text822, 218151} \begindata{text822, 220883} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 8 Feb 93 17:56:24 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA22958; Mon, 8 Feb 93 14:50:38 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 8 Feb 93 16:30:09 GMT From: enterpoop.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!uotcsi2!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Grant Henderson) Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa Subject: Re: Andrew on Macs and PCs? Message-Id: <1993Feb8.163009.1842@csi.uottawa.ca> References: <1l0k8nINNmei@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I too am interested in knowing the state of Andrew for these platforms. On a related issue, is anyone else using the ATK on 386/486 platforms under SCO? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Grant Henderson grant@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca Multimedia Communications Research Lab Ottawa, Ontario Canada Univerity of Ottawa (613) 564-9247 \enddata{text822, 220883} \begindata{text822, 222805} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 2971;andrew.cmu.edu;John Gardiner Myers Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:16:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:16:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Gardiner Myers To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Beware of ANSI CPP and Imake. In-Reply-To: References: Beak: Is Bill Cattey writes: > The ANSI C Preprocessor violates an important software engineering principle: > > When writing a parser, be liberal in what you accept as input and > rigorous in what you produce as output. As far as the ANSI C preprocessor goes, it's not so much an issue of not being liberal, but an issue of interpreting the input as specified by the language definition. The violation of software engineering principles was done by imake, in its use of another system's internal, undocumented interface in a way which it was clearly not intended to be used. _.John \enddata{text822, 222805} \begindata{text822, 224555} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 04:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 04:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.kun.nl by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 9 Feb 93 04:24:31 EST Received: by zeus.cs.kun.nl id AA10663 (5.65c8/1.0 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:24:23 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4.41 via MS.5.6.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4_41; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:24:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <8fRrV5W3fW41MFDlI_@cs.kun.nl> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 10:24:21 +0100 (MET) From: Harco de Hilster X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1145+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!emory!emory!usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ken Mandelberg), enterpoop.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!uotcsi2!news@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Grant Henderson) Subject: Re: Andrew on Macs and PCs? In-Reply-To: <1l0k8nINNmei@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> References: <1l0k8nINNmei@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> \begindata{text,1837528} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from andrew.mailing-list: 6-Feb-93 Andrew on Macs and PCs? Ken Mandelberg@ucbvax.be (506)} \quotation{What is the current state of how PCs and Macs participate in }\quotation{Andrew (primarily the message service)? I'm a few years out of }\quotation{date, but the last I knew of this the connection was essentialy }\quotation{ascii oriented terminal emulation. Is this still the case? } The Mac and PC versions of AMS (MacMail and EzMail) are mail agents that run locally, and talk to a message-server that interfaces to the AMS 'database' on a Unix machine. The functionality you get from those interfaces is basically the same as VUI. That means: - All the text is unscribed, and therefor you cannot view tables, rasters etc. Mime and ATK text formatting is translated to plain text. - You can only send plain text. - It knows about special headers like; vote, subscribe, acknowledgments, etc. We use the Mac and PC version for some time now, and I'am really pleased with them. The fact that it cannot handle any ATK object is a real limitation, but it does provide you with the functionality that other Mac/PC mail agents provide plus that you have access to your bboard. Harco\ \enddata{text,1837528} \enddata{text822, 224555} \begindata{text822, 227570} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 9 Feb 93 16:01:24 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:00:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:00:34 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Subject: Re: Avoid "Empower" of Ness script In-Reply-To: <9302080342.AA24260@carbon.chem.utah.edu> References: <9302080342.AA24260@carbon.chem.utah.edu> dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu writes: > The Ness documentation describes the construct: > > extend "buttonname" on event "buttonpushed" > -- Ness code > end event end extend > > and redefining keys, menus and so on by the lines in .atkinit: > > load ness > call ness-load /usr/andrew/lib/my_script.n > > If I insert my_script.n in a help document and empower the script it > works. If I use "call ness-load" in .atkinit I do not get an error > message but it doesn't work. What am I missing? Loading ness through .atkinit works fine for adding new key combinations and message items. However, for reasons I'll go into below, it doesn't work to extend named objects. For a concrete example, here is part of a script I typically load with ness-load from my own .atkinit: extend "view:textview" on menu "Search/Spell,Define Marked Word" DictCommand() end menu on keys "d" -- ^X d DictCommand() end keys end extend Note first that the thing I am extending uses the "view:" convention. This means that the enclosed 'on...' blocks will apply to all views of the type named after the ":". This is done by modification of the global tables used to initialize views (the same tables used to implement the addkey and addmenu commands for .xxxinit files.) At present, a ness-load'ed script cannot modify the behavior of a named object like "buttonname" because there is no similar global initialization table for remembering the names of objects that are to be extended. And, of course, when the arbiter code gets the name of a new object it does not check in the table (that is, it does not check in the table that doesn't exist :-) "Empowering" scripts is a nuissance. Unfortunately, it would be more of a nuissance if someone sent you a mail message or document with a script in it that did something unpleasant (as can happen with other systems). Ness scripts can do many useful things, but to be useful an agent must also have the power to be dangerous. Empowering is the best scheme we have come up with to control the power without stiffling it altogether. Suggestions for other schemes are welcome. Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 227570} \begindata{text822, 230997} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 9 Feb 93 16:21:48 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:21:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , Guy Harris Subject: Re: styles In-Reply-To: <16756@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <9302010817.AA25927@a>, <0fPKLo_00gpm9kGVQN@cs.cmu.edu> <16756@auspex-gw.auspex.com> *FIxedFace* is indeed not _really_ a face attribute. It is an attribute that must be set in the style whenever the fontfamily selected by that style is fixed face. It enables the ATK code to do some necessary functin that has to be done for fixed width fonts. (More properly, ATK should be figuring out that a font is fixed face by examining the font attributes; these were not readily available when the code was created.) The default face in X fonts requested by xfontd.c is medium face. If Bold is in the style, the request is for bold face; and if both Medium and Bold are in the style, the request is for demibold face. Extending LoadXFont to know about a few more of the defined style attributes is probably a good idea. Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 230997} \begindata{text822, 233039} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 20:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 20:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 9 Feb 93 20:16:36 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13616; Tue, 9 Feb 93 17:08:51 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 8 Feb 93 23:24:02 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: The Andrew View V1, 3&4 Message-Id: <16865@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >4. Paragraph numbers for text. In this mode, a separate fixed width >column at the left of a textview will show a paragraph number at the >start of each paragraph. This display can be toggled on and off with a >command procedure. Clicking on the numbers could possibly have some >affect, such as automatically selecting the paragraph's text. >Additionally, perhaps, an inset may be allowed to post icon characters >in the paragraph number view. For example, a debugger might toggle the >paragraph numbers on and post an arrow icon on a specific line. I.e., this is intended to provide a function distinct from the paragraph numbering features in various word processors, wherein the paragraph (or whatever) number is in the main text stream, rather than in a separate column? >15. Undo. Begin by introducing an undo method in the data object >class, then have each data object override this method. Simpletext and >text are the obvious first candidates for an undo function. An undo >command procedure would ask the dataobject to undo the last function. >The dataobject may save a history of ``undo information'' up until the >last time it was written. Alternatively, some dataobjects may only >support one level of undo (some kind of feedback would be useful to warn >the user of this inconsistency). A dataobject would not be expected to >undo operations to an embedded inset. It may be expected to delete an >inset that was inserted, however. So, in effect, instead of having one undo history for an entire document, the top-level object (e.g., a text document in "ez") would have its history, and each inset would have its own independent history? \enddata{text822, 233039} \begindata{text822, 236037} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 23:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 23:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 9 Feb 93 23:26:14 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Tue, 9 Feb 1993 23:25:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0fS8DJS00gpmMJmX47@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 23:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , Guy Harris Subject: Re: The Andrew View V1, 3&4 In-Reply-To: <16865@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <16865@auspex-gw.auspex.com> In general, it would be wise to take the specifications in the wish list with a grain of salt. We may not be able to do them all and the exact nature may change as we get into the work. auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) writes: > I.e., this [line number column] > is intended to provide a function distinct from the paragraph > numbering features in various word processors, wherein the paragraph (or > whatever) number is in the main text stream, rather than in a separate > column? Yes. This would be different than a paragraph numbering style. We also need the latter; and section numbering, too. > So, in effect, instead of having one undo history for an entire > document, the top-level object (e.g., a text document in "ez") would > have its history, and each inset would have its own independent history? The user interface might be designed so that it appeared as one undo stream. Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 236037} \begindata{text822, 238245} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 14:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 14:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:08:05 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3956; Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:05:33 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:36:47 CST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 09:36:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 09:36:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 09:36:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 09:36:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 09:36:24 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1156+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: The Andrew View V1, 3&4 In-Reply-To: <0fS8DJS00gpmMJmX47@cs.cmu.edu> References: <16865@auspex-gw.auspex.com> <0fS8DJS00gpmMJmX47@cs.cmu.edu> \begindata{text,539228160} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 9-Feb-93 Re: The Andrew View V1, 3&4 Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (916)} \quotation{Yes. This would be different than a paragraph numbering style. We also need the latter; and section numbering, too. } The line numbering suggested is only really useful when editing source code (or other raw text). I have always been skeptical as to the utility of a feature like this, but we have many users here asking for it. I would agree that it is definitely handy for something like a debugger interface. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 9-Feb-93 Re: The Andrew View V1, 3&4 Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (916)} \quotation{> So, in effect, instead of having one undo history for an entire }\quotation{> document, the top-level object (e.g., a text document in "ez") would }\quotation{> have its history, and each inset would have its own independent history? } \quotation{The user interface might be designed so that it appeared as one undo stream. } I am not yet convinced that this is even necessary. I doubt if users would become confused once they learn that insets keep their own history. Of course if its implementation is simple I'd go for a single history any day. -todd inglett \enddata{text,539228160} \enddata{text822, 238245} \begindata{text822, 241647} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:27:08 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:25:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fSM3IG00WohIvsm8t@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 397+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Changes in 5.2.0 In-Reply-To: <1lbkp9INNfof@CS.UTK.EDU> References: <0fPfhFq00gpmIO1kcZ@cs.cmu.edu> <1lbkp9INNfof@CS.UTK.EDU> Distribution: world \begindata{text,539123804} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 10-Feb-93 Re: Changes in 5.2.0 Keith Moore@cs.utk.edu (656)} \quotation{That's odd. In my copy of RFC 1341, the only image/* types defined are }\quotation{image/gif and image/jpeg. } \quotation{Please don't have 'messages' generate unregistered message types! } Message only generates GIF or JPEG JFIF. It can handle reading some other popular types though. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539123804} \enddata{text822, 241647} \begindata{text822, 243417} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 22:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 22:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for gk5g+; Wed, 10 Feb 93 22:19:05 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12975>; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 19:18:51 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 19:18:40 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Wed, 10 Feb 1993 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4fSQK9QB0KGWQ3=WZz@holmes.parc.xerox.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 19:18:33 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: Changes in 5.2.0 In-Reply-To: <8fSM3IG00WohIvsm8t@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <0fPfhFq00gpmIO1kcZ@cs.cmu.edu> <1lbkp9INNfof@CS.UTK.EDU> <8fSM3IG00WohIvsm8t@andrew.cmu.edu> Distribution: world Excerpts from ext.andrew: 10-Feb-93 Re: Changes in 5.2.0 Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (397+0) > Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 10-Feb-93 Re: Changes in > 5.2.0 Keith Moore@cs.utk.edu (656) >> That's odd. In my copy of RFC 1341, the only image/* types defined are >> image/gif and image/jpeg. >> Please don't have 'messages' generate unregistered message types! At least, not if the ``MIME-Version: 1.0'' header is used. I didn't understand that RFC 1341 provides a comprehensive list of all registered image subtypes. That is, I agree with Keith's request, but understand that the IANA registry is the place to get the list of registered subtypes from, not RFC 1341. Or perhaps Keith was asking for something more constraining, i.e., only support/use the subtypes actually mentioned in RFC 1341 (jpeg and gif)? Bill \enddata{text822, 243417} \begindata{text822, 245844} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:34:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 984+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Herb Barad Subject: Re: Andrew question CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <9302081439.AA01780@dumaine.ee.tulane.edu> References: <9302081439.AA01780@dumaine.ee.tulane.edu> \begindata{text,539132648} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 8-Feb-93 Andrew question Herb Barad@ee.tulane.edu (799*)} \quotation{1. Either shut off the mechanism that substitutes }\quotation{Firstname.Lastname@machine for username@machine (since we don't have }\quotation{White pages installed). } What error do you get when you type in an address and choose the \italic{Other, Check Recipient} menu option in messages? Does it successfully get the Firstname.Lastname? What happens when the address is bogus? The CDROM binaries were not built to run the WhitePages so that's not what is doing this. It's possible that it falls back on looking in the passwd file for this translation. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 8-Feb-93 Andrew question Herb Barad@ee.tulane.edu (799*)} \quotation{By the way, is there a usenet newsgroup for }\quotation{Andrew? } We maintain a mailing list that you can subscribe to by sending mail to info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu. There is a newsgroup that get non-formatted versions of the mailinglist messages called comp.soft-sys.andrew. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539132648} \enddata{text822, 245844} \begindata{text822, 248281} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 11 Feb 93 15:48:38 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA24195; Thu, 11 Feb 93 12:43:56 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Feb 93 19:24:25 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!emory!cs.utk.edu!cs.utk.edu!moore@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Moore) Organization: Univ. of Tenn. Computer Science, Knoxville Subject: Re: Changes in 5.2.0 Message-Id: <1lbkp9INNfof@CS.UTK.EDU> References: <0fPfhFq00gpmIO1kcZ@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <0fPfhFq00gpmIO1kcZ@cs.cmu.edu>, Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu writes: > Messages > > MIME format support has been augmented, There is now better support for > message bodies of type multipart/digest. And messages bodies may > contain items of type image/gif, image/pbm, image/ppm, image/pgm, and > image/jpeg. That's odd. In my copy of RFC 1341, the only image/* types defined are image/gif and image/jpeg. Please don't have 'messages' generate unregistered message types! -- Keith Moore / U.Tenn CS Dept / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN 37996-1301 Internet: moore@cs.utk.edu BITNET: moore@utkvx Let's stamp out EBCDIC in our lifetime. \enddata{text822, 248281} \begindata{text822, 250365} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 04:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 04:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for INFO-ANDREW; Fri, 12 Feb 93 04:51:30 EST Received: from ess.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:51:25 +0000 Received: from hermes.mod.uk by ESS.Cs.Ucl.AC.UK via PSS with NIFTP id aa00997; 12 Feb 93 9:50 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 9:52 GMT From: Mark Templeton 12-Feb-1993 0950 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid"@HERMES.MOD.UK> To: INFO-ANDREW <@ess.cs.ucl.ac.uk:INFO-ANDREW@EDU.CMU.ANDREW> Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX OK, given that "From" without a colon is normal in email, why is messages unable to tell where one message ends and the next begins, on my ULTRIX system? I notice that steve@lia.com posted this same query, but regarding his Sun workstation, on 5th Feb 1992, yet I never saw any responses to his posting. Any suggestions?? Thank you in advance. 0 00000000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 The Druid 0 alias Mark D Templeton B1013 Internet : Mark.Templeton%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk RSRE(S) Janet : Mark.Templeton@hermes.mod.uk St Andrews Road Malvern Internal : druid@caercn Worcestershire WR14 3PS Phone UK : 0684-892733 x2109 United Kingdom Phone Intl: +44-684-892733 x2109 \enddata{text822, 250365} \begindata{text822, 252760} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:39:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Received: from relay.MOD.UK by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for INFO-ANDREW; Fri, 12 Feb 93 09:39:02 EST Received: from hermes.mod.uk by relay.MOD.UK via PSS with NIFTP id aa01061; 12 Feb 93 12:01 WET Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 14:37 GMT From: Mark Templeton 12-Feb-1993 1434 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid%hermes.mod.uk"@relay.MOD.UK> To: GHOTI <@relay.MOD.UK:GHOTI@andrew.cmu.edu>, INFO-ANDREW <@relay.MOD.UK:INFO-ANDREW@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX Thank you for the suggestion, fish. > > OK, given that "From" without a colon is normal in email, > > why is messages unable to tell where one message ends and > > the next begins, on my ULTRIX system? > > > Take a look at the AndrewSetup helpfile. In there, somewhere, is a > configuration option for AMS - that specifies what the separating > character is for (non-ams) mailfiles. At last I can read my mail with "messages". The problem was not actually the separator, but the fact that mail arrives by DECnet, and so is of the form hermes::druid which messages saw as an invalid address. Putting AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom: No in my AndrewSetup file cured the problem. ================ Next problem.... I can read the mail, but I can't send mail. When I send mail as hermes::cbs::relay::foo it is rejected. I get a message which says The name you typed is invalid I have tried putting AMS_ValidateDestHosts: No AMS_HardHostValidationErrors: No in my AndrewSetup file, but to no avail. I can only surmise that it thinks this is a local address, and so insists on address validation. Can I either a. Turn off hard checking PROPERLY, so a user can force messages to accept mail. b. Since I don't use uucp, tell messages to accept a double colon as a uucp address separator, and so fudge things so messages will accept a DECnet address as though it were a uucp address. Thank you once again, 0 00000000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 The Druid 0 alias Mark D Templeton B1013 Internet : Mark.Templeton%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk RSRE(S) Janet : Mark.Templeton@hermes.mod.uk St Andrews Road Malvern Internal : druid@caercn Worcestershire WR14 3PS Phone UK : 0684-892733 x2109 United Kingdom Phone Intl: +44-684-892733 x2109 \enddata{text822, 252760} \begindata{text822, 256176} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:25:56 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:25:53 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:25:52 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:25:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:25:51 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 402+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Changes in 5.2.0 In-Reply-To: <1lbkp9INNfof@CS.UTK.EDU> References: <0fPfhFq00gpmIO1kcZ@cs.cmu.edu> <1lbkp9INNfof@CS.UTK.EDU> Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 10-Feb-93 Re: Changes in 5.= 2.0 Keith Moore@ucbvax.berke (657) That's odd. In my copy of RFC 1341, the only image/* types defined a= re image/gif and image/jpeg. This is true. image/{ppm,pbm,pgm} were eliminated in the penultimate draft of= the MIME document before the publication as an RFC. It would definitely be b= est only to generate GIF or JPEG format. -- NB \enddata{text822, 256176} \begindata{text822, 258493} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:32:54 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:30:51 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:30:43 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for Mark.Templeton%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:30:43 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:30:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX Cc: Mark.Templeton%hermes.mod.uk@relay.mod.uk In-Reply-To: References: There are actually a fair number of configuration options that can be used to determine how the "From " line structure is to be parsed. (This varies on different UNIX variants, and where possible it is nice to parse carefully to avoid breaking in half a mail message that has a line in the body starting with "From ".) I don't know about your Ultrix system, but if you type "help andrewsetup" you can find out about configuration options that can be put in the AndrewSetup file that will probably solve your problem. Here are the three I suspect are most likely to be relevant: AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom: boolean Default: yes "Yes" specifies that the "From" line which apparently starts a new piece of mail should have a reasonable looking address before it is considered the start of new mail. "No" specifies that the "From " line is not checked. AMS_CheckDateInSeparatingFrom: boolean Default: yes "Yes" specifies that the "From" line which apparently starts a new piece of mail should have a date before it is considered the start of new mail. "No" specifies that the "From" line is not checked. AMS_AllowColonInSeparatingFrom: boolean Default: no "No" specifies that the only thing to look for is "From ". "Yes" specifies that the "From" line separating pieces of mail may start with either "From:" or "From ". My first guess, without more information, is that you need to turn OFF one of the first two options because your mail delivery agent doesn't create "From" lines with as much structure as most systems do. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 258493} \begindata{text822, 261930} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.MOD.UK by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for INFO-ANDREW; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:44:08 EST Received: from [128.231.128.7] by relay.MOD.UK via Satnet with SMTP id aa01177; 12 Feb 93 13:05 WET Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov by alw.nih.gov (5.61/1.35(alw-2.4)) id AA05991; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:39:46 -0500 Received: by kirin.dcrt.nih.gov (4.1/3.15) id for <@relay.mod.uk:INFO-ANDREW@andrew.cmu.edu>; Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:39:45 EST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:38:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:38:59 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: GHOTI <@relay.MOD.UK:GHOTI@andrew.cmu.edu>, INFO-ANDREW <@relay.MOD.UK:INFO-ANDREW@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Templeton 12-Feb-1993 1434 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid%hermes.mod.uk"@relay.MOD.UK> Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX In-Reply-To: References: > Next problem.... > I can read the mail, but I can't send mail. > When I send mail as > hermes::cbs::relay::foo > it is rejected. I get a message which says > The name you typed is invalid > I have tried putting > AMS_ValidateDestHosts: No AMS_HardHostValidationErrors: No Messages won't understand what a DECnet address is, but if your local sendmail program accepts this kind of addressing, then you could simply pass your DECnet mail on as if it were a local AMS address. Rather than disabling remote host validation, as you had described above, you'll need to turn off local address validation. You can do this with: AMS_WPValidation: no AMS_PasswdValidation: no Additionally, you'll probably need to shield the colons by inclosing your DECnet address in double quotes, as in: "hermes::druid"@ThisDomain where "ThisDomain" is your machine's host name. (PS--I think I replied to this before, thinking that your local sendmail program was incapable of accepting a DECnet address). -Bob \enddata{text822, 261930} \begindata{text822, 265345} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:47:07 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 995+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,1505136} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \quotation{Next problem.... I can read the mail, but I can't send mail. When I send mail as hermes::cbs::relay::foo it is rejected. I get a message which says The name you typed is invalid I have tried putting AMS_ValidateDestHosts: No AMS_HardHostValidationErrors: No} Messages won't understand what a DECnet address is, but if your local sendmail program accepts this kind of addressing, then you could simply pass your DECnet mail on as if it were a local AMS address. Rather than disabling remote host validation, as you had described above, you'll need to turn off local address validation. You can do this with: AMS_WPValidation: no AMS_PasswdValidation: no Additionally, you'll probably need to shield the colons by inclosing your DECnet address in double quotes, as in: "hermes::druid"@ThisDomain where "ThisDomain" is your machine's host name. (PS--I think I replied to this before, thinking that your local sendmail program was incapable of accepting a DECnet address). -Bob \ \enddata{text,1505136} \enddata{text822, 265345} \begindata{text822, 268214} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 11:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 11:15:47 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 11:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:11:34 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:11:30 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:11:28 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 11:11:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 11:11:21 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Mark Templeton 12-Feb-1993 1551 <"HERMES::CAERCN::druid%hermes.mod.uk"@relay.MOD.UK> Subject: Re: A few questions on ULTRIX Cc: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9302121554.AA01182@thumper.bellcore.com> References: <9302121554.AA01182@thumper.bellcore.com> Excerpts from mail: 12-Feb-93 Re: A few questions on ULTRIX Mark T. 12-Feb-1993@rela (468) > Now I can read incoming mail OK, but I cannot send mail. Hmmm. I think what you want to do MIGHT be to turn off all local name validation. The AndrewSetup file isn't very helpful on this score, but the following excerpt from ams/libs/ms/mswp.c: if (!PwdVal && !LocalDBVal && !WPVal) { *IsVacuous = TRUE; *WpCode = (CheckAMSFmtOK(Domain) <= 0 ? MSWP_GOODNETMAIL : MSWP_GOODUSER); return(0); } makes me think that what you want to do is simply turn off ALL local address validation. Something like the following might do the trick: AMS_WpValidation: 0 AMS_PasswdValidation: 0 AMS_LocalDatabaseValidataion: 0 I'm not sure, but I think that might do it for you.... -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 268214} \begindata{text822, 270863} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Fri, 12 Feb 93 16:19:45 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:18:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:18:44 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.EDU Subject: Re: "Empowering" scripts Cc: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <9302111930.AA28921@carbon.chem.utah.edu> References: <9302111930.AA28921@carbon.chem.utah.edu> Some people complain about the chore of empowering scripts. For the cognescenti, it isn't necessary to empower scripts by scrolling to their end and clicking on a box and THEN answering a dialog box. You can get a dialog box directly by adding the preference item: *.NessUseDialogBoxInsteadOfWarning: on The default value of off for this preference is intended to protect innocent users. A site could presumably set it to on in the $ANDREWDIR/lib/global.prf file. A trusting user could modify ness.c so all scripts are automatically empowered, but I would consider this foolhardy. You would never know when you were about to read a document or mail message that could cause undesirable results. (There is NO way around this. If a language is to have the power to do general, useful work, it must also have the power to do damage.) Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 270863} \begindata{text822, 272972} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Fri, 12 Feb 93 17:07:23 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:06:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:06:42 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew Subject: rawtext Robert Kemmetmueller has pointed out that the recent document describing chnages to the system incorrectly described the "rawtext" object. The purpose of this object is to edit any pure ASCII file and ensure that it is saved in pure ASCII form. The erroneous addition of styles is not prevented, but the styles are removed before saving the file. This is useful to prevent styles from rednering unreadable such files as .atkinit, preferences, .login, .Xdefaults, and so on. Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 272972} \begindata{text822, 274557} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:28:45 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 744+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Shadow Colors \begindata{text,538759088} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I am currently working on centralizing and improving the code which chooses shadow colors for the menubar, the popup menus, scrollbars, and all non-pushbutton buttons. I'm curious whether or not there is any strong feeling as to whether I should provide a preference to get the old behavior, and if so, what the default value should be. The main improvement provided by the new code is that the interior of the button is always the same color as the background, and only the background color is used in computing the top and bottom shadows. Another benefit is that the code will be part of it's own library, so the choices can be kept consistent between the various pieces of ATK which now have 3d-type effects. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538759088} \enddata{text822, 274557} \begindata{text822, 276479} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 12:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.emba.uvm.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Sat, 13 Feb 93 12:18:15 EST Received: by sadye.emba.uvm.edu id AA01911 (5.65/6.02); Sat, 13 Feb 93 12:17:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 12:17:10 -0500 From: Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU Message-Id: <9302131717.AA01911@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> To: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Cc: Info-Andrew , dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu Subject: Re: "Empowering" scripts In-Reply-To: References: <9302111930.AA28921@carbon.chem.utah.edu> < For the cognescenti, it isn't necessary to empower scripts by scrolling > to their end and clicking on a box and THEN answering a dialog box. You > can get a dialog box directly by adding the preference item: > *.NessUseDialogBoxInsteadOfWarning: on Fred:- Since it seems that Ness is going to be the Extension Language of Choice for ATK applications, why not modify runapp to understand a new argument (say, `-e', if that's not already taken), which would automatically empower the Ness scripts loaded in that application (and that application only). It seems to me that, if Ness is to be fully useful as an extension language, it will have to include some features for automatic empowerment for those times when it is needed; this need not interfere with the default, which is needed for user protection. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@emba.uvm.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. uvm-gen!wollman | It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people UVM disagrees. | who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant \enddata{text822, 276479} \begindata{text822, 278908} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 23052;andrew.cmu.edu;Daniel C. Wang Received: from lira.mg.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from lira.mg.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lira.mg.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.lira.mg.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:14:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 13:14:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel C. Wang" To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: "Empowering" scripts CC: Info-Andrew , dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.edu In-Reply-To: <9302131717.AA01911@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> References: <9302111930.AA28921@carbon.chem.utah.edu> <9302131717.AA01911@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU writes: > < > > For the cognescenti, it isn't necessary to empower scripts by scrolling > > to their end and clicking on a box and THEN answering a dialog box. You > > can get a dialog box directly by adding the preference item: > > > *.NessUseDialogBoxInsteadOfWarning: on > > Fred:- > > Since it seems that Ness is going to be the Extension Language of > Choice for ATK applications, why not modify runapp to understand a new > argument (say, `-e', if that's not already taken), which would > automatically empower the Ness scripts loaded in that application (and > that application only). It seems to me that, if Ness is to be fully > useful as an extension language, it will have to include some features > for automatic empowerment for those times when it is needed; this need > not interfere with the default, which is needed for user protection. My $.02 Adding a command line option is still a securtiy risk, because for navie users a -e switch will allow new users to empower a script without being informed of the dangers. Imagine reciving a Ness script in a message that subtle alters your files, but claims merely to display an interactive christmas tree, with instructions to save the script to a file and run it with the -e option. Experinced users of course would be supucious, but the naive probably taken in. A command line option that was equivlent to the preference *.NessUseDialogBoxInsteadOfWarning: on would probably be a little less useful, but safer. Another solution would be to create a restricted version of Ness which would restrict 'dangerous' commands, but of course limit the power of Ness. Alternatively there could be a system wide list of 'safe' Ness scripts which could be empowered automaticly, by Ness itself. \enddata{text822, 278908} \begindata{text822, 282069} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 07:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 07:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 14 Feb 93 07:37:57 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA21030; Sun, 14 Feb 93 04:29:36 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Feb 93 05:16:58 GMT From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: styles Message-Id: <16927@auspex-gw.auspex.com> References: <16756@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >Extending LoadXFont to know about a few more of the defined style >attributes is probably a good idea. The latest XLFD spec (1.4, the one that came with X11R5) appears not to define any values for the WEIGHT_NAME field, and says that "it should not be used for font matching or substitution." It says the same for the SETWIDTH_NAME field. Instead, it suggests using the RELATIVE_WEIGHT and WEIGHT properties, and the RELATIVE_SETWIDTH property, for that purpose; I guess you're supposed to wildcard the appropriate fields in the XLFD name, and compute the "quality" of the match based on those properties. It gives "English translations" for the possible values of RELATIVE_SETWIDTH and RELATIVE_WEIGHT, and in the "Description" field of the tables for them, gives what probably amount to aliases - for example, "Normal" and "Regular" are given as aliases for "Medium", while "Heavy" is an alias for "ExtraBold" and "Black" is an alias for "UltraBold". \enddata{text822, 282069} \begindata{text822, 284352} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 14:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:23:08 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06163; Sun, 14 Feb 93 11:09:02 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Feb 93 17:07:09 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ, USA Subject: Messages wish Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I wish that the filename prompts for various tools -- like messages -- would show the potential completions of a pathname when ? is entered, like ez does. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 284352} \begindata{text822, 285875} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 14:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 14:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 14 Feb 93 14:24:01 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06148; Sun, 14 Feb 93 11:08:46 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Feb 93 16:02:19 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ, USA Subject: "excerpt all" is very slow Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm running ATK 5.1 on a Sun 4/50 (IPX) running 4.1.3, the bundled C compiler with -O4 /usr/lib/libm.il, and gobs of memory. I just discovered "except all" under the Send/File Marked menu in messages. It seems odd that I have to mark a message to be able to do this to it, but that's not what I'm posting about. I picked a random message to see how this feature worked. I marked it and selected the above-mentioned menu item. The sendmessage window came up blank, with the wait cursor. The cpu was saturated for *six or seven minutes* without visible effect. I ran an strace -p -f on messages to see what was happening, and found that it running almost entirely in user mode, with an occasional call to brk: <=>lovecraft<=>strace -f -p 3756 Process 3756 attached - interrupt to quit brk(0x31be88) = 0 brk(0x320e88) = 0 brk(0x325e88) = 0 brk(0x32ae88) = 0 brk(0x32fe88) = 0 It eventually finished and went about its way: unlink("/tmp/ofSwN5W1GE5BICf1xO") = 0 write(3, "\2\1\0\4\4\80\0\88\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\n\0\0\2\4\80\0\88", 24) = 24 ... Now, this was a 59k message, but it doesn't seem to me like this would be a terribly compute-intensive activity. Is there some very pessimal code involved? Shorter messages are excerpted very quickly. Why is a file in /tmp involved? -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 285875} \begindata{text822, 288535} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 14 Feb 93 15:08:17 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA08095; Sun, 14 Feb 93 11:55:50 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Feb 93 22:04:59 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: "Empowering" scripts Message-Id: References: <9302131717.AA01911@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 13-Feb-93 Re: "Empowering" scripts "Daniel C. Wang"@ANDREW. (1869) > Adding a command line option is still a securtiy risk, because for > navie users a -e switch will allow new users to empower a script > without being informed of the dangers. Imagine reciving a Ness script > in a message that subtle alters your files, but claims merely to > display an interactive christmas tree, with instructions to save the > script to a file and run it with the -e option. Actually this scenario can already happen with nessrun. (or csh, or sh, or emacs...) Basically what is needed is a registry of arbiters, and arbiters wanted. A ness script would specify which arbiter it wishes to extend, and whenever it finally got registered the ness script would be signalled to re-compile. (After having already been compiled once...) This would allow you to use nessrun (or ness-load in your .atkinit) to avoid the empowerment step, but still allow extension of specific objects. -Rob \enddata{text822, 288535} \begindata{text822, 290914} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:14:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:14:37 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 400+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Messages wish In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538784728} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 12-Feb-93 Messages wish Anthony A. Datri@princet (236)} \quotation{I wish that the filename prompts for various tools -- like messages -- would show the potential completions of a pathname when ? is entered, like ez does. } Until recently any program which didn't use buffers (such as messages), couldn't take advantage of completion help. This has been fixed. -Rob \enddata{text,538784728} \enddata{text822, 290914} \begindata{text822, 292597} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Mon, 15 Feb 93 14:52:47 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1400+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU Subject: Re: "Empowering" scripts Cc: Info-Andrew , dunkel@carbon.chem.utah.EDU In-Reply-To: <9302131717.AA01911@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> References: <9302111930.AA28921@carbon.chem.utah.edu> <9302131717.AA01911@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> \begindata{text,8345728} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 13-Feb-93 Re: "Empowering" scripts Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU (1221)} \quotation{Since it seems that Ness is going to be the Extension Language of }\quotation{Choice for ATK applications, why not modify runapp to understand a new }\quotation{argument (say, `-e', if that's not already taken), which would }\quotation{automatically empower the Ness scripts loaded in that application (and }\quotation{that application only). It seems to me that, if Ness is to be fully }\quotation{useful as an extension language, it will have to include some features }\quotation{for automatic empowerment for those times when it is needed; this need }\quotation{not interfere with the default, which is needed for user protection. } This is not an inherently terrible idea, though it still carries some danger. If enough poeple ask, I'll implement -e. First, however, I should point out those cases where empowerment IS done automatically: files in directories listed in the *.nesspath preference files loaded with ness-load from a .XXXinit file files executed with nessrun The last category includes ness scripts that call the launchapplication() function. In such a script, a window is opened after any desired preparatory ness computation. Thus interactive applications can be constructed that do not need empowerment to utilize Ness. (I don't know if anyone has tried launchapplication. If so, I'd be interested in feedback; I'm pretty sure it's not perfect yet :-) Fred Hansen\ \enddata{text,8345728} \enddata{text822, 292597} \begindata{text822, 295656} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 16:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 16:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 15 Feb 93 16:09:13 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5774; Mon, 15 Feb 93 16:06:44 EST Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 93 14:03:58 CST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:03:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:03:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:03:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:03:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:03:22 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 733+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: text822 (messages) bug Cc: Bboard Service In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539312640} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{global } \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from advisor.dev.atk: 18-Jan-93 text822 (messages) bug Robert Kemmetmueller (474+1)} \quotation{ * in \bold{messages}, select "Append to File". } Another user here has fallen prey to the "Append to File" menu. It seems to me that this menu ought to just be \italic{removed} from \bold{messages}. The file it generates has NO VALUE as far as I can tell-- \bold{ez} can't handle it properly \smaller{(see my 18-Jan post)}, and the resulting file can't even be loaded properly via "Restore Draft". Is that menu item good for ANYTHING?? \smaller{} \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539312640} \enddata{text822, 295656} \begindata{text822, 299396} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 08:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 08:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.kun.nl by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 16 Feb 93 08:44:59 EST Received: by zeus.cs.kun.nl id AA17912 (5.65c8/1.0 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Tue, 16 Feb 1993 14:44:43 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4.41 via MS.5.6.zeus.CS.kun.nl..sun4_41; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 14:44:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 14:44:41 +0100 (MET) From: Harco de Hilster X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1709+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: "Info-Andrew" Subject: Q: White Pages \begindata{text,1712432} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Hi, I have a specific problem and I wonder whether a White Pages database can solve it. Configuration: Sun sparc's with SunOs 4.1, no AFS, no AMSD We have two semi-separate domains at our faculty. The SCI domain for students and the CS domain for staff, researchers, etc. The two domains have different /etc/passwd files, but the user names are unique in both domains. Our mail system doesn't allow to sent mail to \bold{foo} from the SCI domain if \bold{foo} is in the CS domain. One has to write explicitly \bold{foo@cs.kun.nl}. I added a global alias file mechanism (like the personal aliases) to the AMS mail system that contains e.q. aliases for all the course groups that run in the current semester. That alias file is used by the two separate domains, and contains users from both domains. This only works if I expand the name foo to the full foo@sci.kun.nl otherwise a user in the CS domain would get a validation error because foo is not in the /etc/passwd file. I would also like to use the WP mechanism to validate names like F. Foo to "Fred Foo" . So I build a WP database and fed it the /etc/passwd files from both domains. With wpq I can now find all the users, but it doesn't contains the domain information. I haven't rebuild the mail clients yet, but I imagine the following will happen: \leftindent{mail sent to foo (who is on the SCI domain) from the CS domain will be validated and sent to "...." . Which will be return by the MAILER-DAEMON. } Should I fill in the forwarding address for all the users? There is also an undocumented field NPA (Network preferred address). Does the message server look at those fields, or are the only be used by AMSD. Hope someone can help, Harco.\ \enddata{text,1712432} \enddata{text822, 299396} \begindata{text822, 302564} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 11:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 11:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 16 Feb 93 11:41:37 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12416; Tue, 16 Feb 93 11:41:27 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA02523; Tue, 16 Feb 93 11:41:21 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 11:41:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 11:41:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Subject: Re: text822 (messages) bug Cc: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: There is _A_ use for "Append to File" 1. Verify that there is no preexisting file. 2. Use the menu command to save the message. 3. Start ez. 4. Use Read Raw file to read the file in. 5. Strip off the text822 wrapper and the mail headers up to the REAL atk datastream begindata. 6. Save the file out 7. Use the file as an ATK file. Optional step 8: Curse the author of text822 and pray for a function which will do these operations for you. -wdc \enddata{text822, 302564} \begindata{text822, 304502} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 11:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 16 Feb 93 11:43:56 EST Via: uk.ac.hull.cs.nebula; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 16:26:26 +0000 From: "K.K.Akosa" Message-Id: <19533.9302161610@cs.hull.ac.uk> Received: from biffy.ac.hull.cs by cs.hull.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Feb 93 16:10:27 GMT Subject: Archived messages To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 16:10:26 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I recently obtained some of the info-andrew archives for September 92 and October 92. How do I get messages to read the archives as individual messages rather than one large file. Thanks Kofi K Akosa Email csug3kka@cs.hull.ac.uk kka2@seq.hull.ac.uk \enddata{text822, 304502} \begindata{text822, 305849} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 12:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 12:24:27 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 12:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 16 Feb 93 12:21:31 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 16 Feb 93 12:21:27 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 16 Feb 93 12:21:24 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 12:21:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 12:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 637+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: "excerpt all" is very slow In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 12-Feb-93 "excerpt all" is = very slow Anthony A. Datri@princet (1361) It seems odd that I have to mark a message to be able to do this to i= t You don't, if you only want to excerpt one message -- there is an "Excerpt Bod= y" menu on the "Other" card in the message-sending window, which can be used t= o excerpt the currently-displayed message. I don't know why the "excerpt all" operation took so long. On my Sun, I find = that there are bugs with this feature if you don't already have the sending wi= ndow exposed (de-iconified). I don't know if that's related to your problem o= r not.... -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 305849} \begindata{text822, 308382} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from sybil.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 13:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from sybil.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 13:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sybil.transarc.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sybil.transarc.com.sun4_40; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 13:05:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 13:05:11 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 4059+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Harco de Hilster Subject: Re: Q: White Pages In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,3506840} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 16-Feb-93 Q: White Pages Harco de Hilster@cs.kun. (1709+0)} \quotation{The two domains have different /etc/passwd files, but the user names are unique in both domains. Our mail system doesn't allow to sent mail to \bold{foo} from the SCI domain if \bold{foo} is in the CS domain. One has to write explicitly \bold{foo@cs.kun.nl}. } Yikes. The userids don't overlap, and presumably are prevented from overlapping, but you can't exploit the fact that they're non-overlapping because you still have to append a domain name--at least for mailing purposes. This begs the question ``why?'' Why would they be prevented from overlapping when you still have to qualify them with a domain name? \quotation{So I build a WP database and fed it the /etc/passwd files from both domains. With wpq I can now find all the users, but it doesn't contains the domain information. I haven't rebuild the mail clients yet, but I imagine the following will happen: } \quotation{ \leftindent{mail sent to foo (who is on the SCI domain) from the CS domain will be validated and sent to "...." . Which will be return by the MAILER-DAEMON. }} \quotation{Should I fill in the forwarding address for all the users? There is also an undocumented field NPA (Network preferred address). Does the message server look at those fields, or are the only be used by AMSD. } So indeed you're losing any source-domain information when you concatenate the two /etc/passwd files. I imagine that you'll get exactly the behavior you're predicting: that if you're running in cs.kun.nl, the validated address will be foo@cs.kun.nl, even for a userid out of the sci.kun.nl domain. AMS is doing this because you've told it to, presumably by saying that the WP for the local domain is in some pathname. I'll also presume that you're not using AMDS in this configuration, so that the only WP use is in the AMS clients for fuzzy matching. AMS clients (well, AMS interfaces plus the message server--AMDS clients) don't use the $Fwd (forwarding address) field in the WP; they use only the ID and names, and for decoration of the listing of ambiguous address matches, the Affiliation field ($Af). Only AMDS interprets the $Fwd and $NPA fields. There are two ways to make this a little more real. The first way is to keep the two domains separate. The second way is to merge the two domains. Keeping the domains separate, you'd have two different WP databases. Presumably, you'd have to put them in the conventional /afs/\{sci,cs\}.kun.nl/service/wp directories, which you'd simply make up as AFS simulations, forgetting about the magic option to say where the WP for ThisDomain is stored. Users could validate names within domains, and addresses would (or could) be correctly validated for mail delivery (with appropriate files /afs/\{sci,cs\}.kun.nl/service/configuration/AMS-Server), but indeed it would be impossible to validate the address ``foo'' when running in the cs.kun.nl domain, when ``foo'' was valid only as foo@sci.kun.nl. There could be a foo@cs.kun.nl WP entry, but only AMDS would make it work as an alias for the other domain, by delivering mail to the other domain. Merging the domains, as you've tried to do with a trial WP, it seems that you'd also have to build some kind of new mechanism for forwarding mail between domains. That is, you could use the two /etc/passwd files to build a table of sendmail aliases: foo foo@cs.kun.nl bar bar@sci.kun.nl and invent some machine, named maybe ``kun.nl'' or ``merged.kun.nl'' or something, and then make Andrew's ThisDomain be the same name as that machine. In that case, you could point to the merged WP database for the ThisDomain WP, but you'd have to have that machine then run sendmail or something to disperse the mail to the proper recipients. A third possibility is to persuade the maintainers of the \{cs,sci\}.kun.nl domains to install each other's /etc/passwd files as aliases for their sendmails, so that even if addressee ``foo'' were receiving mail as foo@cs.kun.nl, then mail to foo@sci.kun.nl would be forwarded to the right place. Craig \enddata{text,3506840} \enddata{text822, 308382} \begindata{text822, 313960} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8779;andrew.cmu.edu;Andrew C. Plotkin Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 18:48:45 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 18:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 16 Feb 1993 18:47:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 18:47:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew C. Plotkin" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1286+0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: text822 (messages) bug This apparently works the way I think it does, so I'll spread the news... Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 15-Feb-93 Re: text822 (messages) bug Robert Kemmetmueller@rch (733+0) Another user here has fallen prey to the "Append to File" menu. It seems to me that this menu ought to just be removed from messages. The file it generates has NO VALUE as far as I can tell-- ez can't handle it properly (see my 18-Jan post), and the resulting file can't even be loaded properly via "Restore Draft". Is that menu item good for ANYTHING?? Not a whole lot. We've considered a few possibilities for fixing it; I believe they boiled down to A) get rid of text822, or B) have that menu option exec datacat. I don't know if anybody's working on either of those, though. In the meantime, in the latest release, datacat with the -c option should take the user's mangled file and make it readable with ez. If that doesn't work, send me mail (I'd like to see the file so that I can fix datacat some more.) Excerpts from work: 16-Feb-93 Re: text822 (messages) bug Robert Kemmetmueller@rch (447+0) datacat -c in ATK 5.2.0 did the trick mighty fine. (Thanks for the info! I'll pass it on locally). --Z "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..." \enddata{text822, 313960} \begindata{text822, 316689} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:06:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:06:46 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 793+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: nlane@well.sf.ca.us (Nathan D. Lane) Subject: Re: Taking advantage of multiple printers CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538862304} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Feb-93 Taking advantage of multipl.. Nathan D. Lane@well.sf.c (443)} \quotation{I currently have in my preferences file hardcoded references to my printer. }\quotation{Is there any way to make Andrew use any printer that one tells it to? } Yes, remove the hardcoded references to a particular printer and either set your PRINTER environment variable or just use the \italic{Set Printer} features. You can also specify a default printer in your preferences file. From the preferences help file: \bold{ }\leftindent{\bold{print.printer:} \italic{\bold{printername}} \leftindent{This entry specifies the name of the printer where your print jobs will be sent. You can override this preference for a particular print request using the -P option in ezprint. See the\italic{ ezprint }help document for details.} } Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538862304} \enddata{text822, 316689} \begindata{text822, 318934} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from JAGUAR.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 17 Feb 93 14:23:40 EST Received: by JAGUAR.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16624; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:18:52 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.jaguar.boltz.cs.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.jaguar.boltz.cs.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:18:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:18:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ricky Houghton To: Info-Andrew Subject: shading colors I run messages on a grey scale monitor and really dislike the normal black/white setup (or reverse video of this). I'm pretty happy with the colors/contrast that result from -bg red -fg white, but the shading effects are reveresed. That is, things that should be out are in, while this is not a big deal, it would be nice to fix. Can you tell me how to fix this? Thanks, Ricky Houghton \enddata{text822, 318934} \begindata{text822, 320570} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2990+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: nlane@well.sf.ca.us (Nathan D. Lane) Subject: Re: Font path other than $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts possible? CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538862304} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{comment } \define{keyword } \define{function } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Feb-93 Font path other than $ANDRE.. Nathan D. Lane@well.sf.c (1031)} \quotation{Is there }\quotation{anyway to tell Andrew what font path I need it to use? Better yet, }\quotation{to tell it to use the fonts if they are already there and not to }\quotation{touch my font path? } Unfortunately, not in the currently available release. The good news is that in the next release, the following preferences are supported: \leftindent{\leftindent{ }\bold{AddFontPath\leftindent{\quotation{: yes}}}\leftindent{\quotation{ }This is used by the X11 version of ATK to decide whether to try to automatically add the appropriate font directory to the X server's font path. The appropriate directory is usually $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts, but may be set with the AndrewFontDir preference or the ANDREWFONTDIR environment variable. }}\indent{\bold{AndrewFontDir\leftindent{\quotation{:} <$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts>}}\leftindent{\quotation{ }This is used by the X11 version of ATK to decide what directory to add to the X server's font path to try to get the Andrew fonts. }} For now, I can only suggest that you hack the sources. The relevant section of code is in the module andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c: xim__AddAndrewFontPath(). Here's a version that will do what you want: \typewriter{\smaller{\comment{\keyword{void} \function{xim__AddAndrewFontPath}(classID,DisplayPtr) \keyword{struct} classheader *classID; Display * DisplayPtr; \comment{/* display for font path */} \{ \keyword{char} fontPath[256]; \comment{/* Place where new font path will be built */} \keyword{char} *andrewDir; \comment{/* Returned value of ANDREWDIR */} \keyword{char} **fontPathList; \comment{/* Return list of directories */} \keyword{int} numPaths; \comment{/* Number of returned directories */} \keyword{int} i; \comment{/* Index into font path list */ } /* First get what is suposed to be the "correct" andrew font path, which is * defined as the value of the ANDREW_FONT_PATH environment variable. * If ANDREW_FONT_PATH is not defined or has a NULL value, dont' touch * the fontpath. */} if((andrewDir = environ_Get("ANDREW_FONT_PATH")) && *andrewDir != (char)0) \{ strcpy(fontPath, andrewDir); filetype_CanonicalizeFilename(fontPath, fontPath, \keyword{sizeof}(fontPath)); \comment{/* Get the font paths from the server and see if it is already in front */} fontPathList = XGetFontPath(DisplayPtr, &numPaths); \keyword{for} (i = 0; i < numPaths && (strcmp(fontPathList[i], fontPath) != 0); i++) ; \comment{/* If necessary, insert the Andrew font directory in the fontpath. */} \keyword{if} (i >= numPaths) \{ \keyword{char} **newPathList = (\keyword{char} **) malloc((numPaths + 1) * (\keyword{sizeof}(\keyword{char} *))); \keyword{if} (newPathList != NULL) \{ \keyword{for} (i = 0; i < numPaths; ++i) newPathList[i] = fontPathList[i]; newPathList[i] = fontPath; XSetFontPath(DisplayPtr, newPathList, numPaths + 1); free(newPathList); \} \} \comment{/* Give back storage for returned font paths */} \keyword{if} (fontPathList) XFreeFontPath(fontPathList); \} \} } } With this change, if ANDREW_FONT_PATH is not set, or has no real value, the X fontpath will remain unchanged. Otherwize, it will grab the X fontpath elements and try to determine if $ANDREW_FONT_PATH is included. If not found, it will be added. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538862304} \enddata{text822, 320570} \begindata{text822, 325552} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 17 Feb 93 17:41:29 EST Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:41:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew Subject: link expansion The hyplink package has provision for storing a link with ${VARIABLE} in it and expanding the variable when the link is traversed. This is intended to make it possible for us to distribute documents with links relative to $ANDREWDIR. Howsomeever. Whenlinkview prompts for a file for a link, it calls completion_GetFilename which (via filetype_CanonicalizeFilename and path_UnfoldPathname) expands ${XXX} just after the name is typed in. Thus editing the raw stream is the only way to get ${XXX} into a link target. Question 1: Does anybody else care? Is it of concern to others to be able to have links containing ${VARIABLE}? Question 2: What user interface should be used for entering links that contain ${XXX}? backslash before the '$'? Menu option for a separate entry mode "Set Raw Link"? "Set $ link"? Fred Hansen Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon (412) 268-6788 wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu \enddata{text822, 325552} \begindata{text822, 327571} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:36:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4fUgjlK00Woh584dN0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:36:17 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 603+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: barad@ee.tulane.edu Subject: Re: Printing/Formatting/Previewing problems CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: Distribution: comp \begindata{text,538862304} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} FYI: Your From: address still includes your hostname. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Feb-93 Printing/Formatting/Preview.. Herb Barad@dumaine.ee.tu (1595)} \quotation{FormatCommand: eqn /tmp/%s.n | tbl | /usr/local/lib/psroff3.0/catconv | psroff -t -Tps | }\quotation{PrintCommand: lpr }\quotation{PreviewCommand: cat > /tmp/JUNK; gs /tmp/JUNK ; /bin/rm -f /tmp/JUNK } These are meant to be preferences, not AndrewSetup options. You can put these lines in the \italic{Global Preferences file} that is located in $(ANDREWDIR)/lib/global.prf. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium PS - I'm not an Andrew Guru but I play one on the internet. \enddata{text,538862304} \enddata{text822, 327571} \begindata{text822, 329608} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 18 Feb 93 10:54:20 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10719; Thu, 18 Feb 93 10:54:04 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA08367; Thu, 18 Feb 93 10:54:03 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:54:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1395+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: link expansion In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,19221320} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Feb-93 link expansion Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (904)} \quotation{Question 1: Does anybody else care? Is it of concern to others to be }\quotation{able to have links containing $\{VARIABLE\}? } \quotation{Question 2: What user interface should be used for entering links that }\quotation{contain $\{XXX\}? backslash before the '$'? Menu option for a separate }\quotation{entry mode "Set Raw Link"? "Set $ link"? } A1: It sounds like it is a good idea to have the ability to say $ANDREWDIR and have it bind at fetch time rather than type-in time. (I had not grok'ed this issue in fullness until the most recent note on this topic.) It seems that the CMU developers and distributers face the largest amount of suffering, but that others will suffer in the future if some lazy scoping mechanism is not added. A2: Inasmuch as people never read the documentation, you may well have to resort to a menu item "Set $ Link". I would say that a syntax of either backslash dollar, or dollar dollar should also be allowed. (Isn't it backslash in the shell, and double dollar in a Makefile?). In contrast to usual times, I do not have strong feelings on this. As long as $ANDREWDIR is properly evaluated from the ATK environment, I could get used to early and late evaluation. Question for y'all: If hyplink is modified to ALWAYS evaluate a the time of snapping the link instead of typein time, is there anyone who would suffer? -wdc \enddata{text,19221320} \enddata{text822, 329608} \begindata{text822, 332688} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 15:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 15:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Feb 93 15:53:35 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06295; Wed, 17 Feb 93 20:22:05 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 00:36:50 GMT From: enterpoop.mit.edu!ai-lab!mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!ogicse!network.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!well!nlane@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Nathan D. Lane) Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Subject: Taking advantage of multiple printers Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I currently have in my preferences file hardcoded references to my printer. Is there any way to make Andrew use any printer that one tells it to? E.g., there is a "Set Printer" option in ez and messages, but, of course, when I tell it to go to a different printer it doesn't work since I have hard coded references to a single printer. Thanks for any information. -Nathan Lane Triicon Systems, Santa barbara, CA nathan@aurora.tricon.com \enddata{text822, 332688} \begindata{text822, 334496} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Feb 93 17:14:46 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06272; Wed, 17 Feb 93 20:21:42 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 00:33:19 GMT From: enterpoop.mit.edu!ai-lab!mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!ogicse!network.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!well!nlane@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Nathan D. Lane) Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Subject: Font path other than $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts possible? Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu have Andrew set up on X11r4 for various different architectures, including big-endian and little endian. However, the toolkit (vers. 5.1) insists on having the font path be $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts. I looked through help and found no info on fonts, except for the fontpath in preferences, which said it was inapplicable to X11. I also tried explicityly setting the font path on each command line, but that won't always work as users don't know or care if they are on a big-endian or little-endian machine. I also tried making sure that the correct font path was ALREADY in the user's font path, so that when Andrew tried to pull in the font, it would NOT alter my font path. Unfortunately, it still altered my font path and pointed to the wrong set of fonts. Is there anyway to tell Andrew what font path I need it to use? Better yet, to tell it to use the fonts if they are already there and not to touch my font path? Thank you for any information. -Nathan Lane Triicon Systems, Santa Barbara, CA nathan@aurora.tricon.com \enddata{text822, 334496} \begindata{text822, 336901} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Feb 93 17:16:59 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA28944; Thu, 18 Feb 93 05:29:55 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Feb 93 20:38:41 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ Subject: Re: Shadow Colors Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >I'm curious whether or not there is any strong feeling as to whether I >should provide a preference to get the old behavior, and if so, what the >default value should be. My two cents: I never wanted the Motifish stuff in the first place. I'd be happy to see it go. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 336901} \begindata{text822, 338586} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Feb 1993 18:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Feb 93 18:20:15 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA10211; Thu, 18 Feb 93 11:25:31 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 20:13:53 GMT From: enterpoop.mit.edu!deccrl!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!tulane!news.cs.tulane.edu!barad@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Herb Barad) Organization: /home2/barad/.organization Subject: Printing/Formatting/Previewing problems Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm having the following problems. We have Sparcs running Sun OS 4.1.x and we have a postscript printer. We're running MIT X. We're not running AFS. The following is the /etc/AndrewSetup file: ANDREWDIR: /usr/local/andrew ThisDomainSuffix: ee.tulane.edu AMS_UseWP: No AMS_NonAMSDelivery: Yes AMS_LocalMailSystemExists: Yes AMS_WSRunsQueuemail: Yes Print.NonAndrew: Yes AMS_NonViceHost: Yes mailsendingformat: mime PrinterType: ps FormatCommand: eqn /tmp/%s.n | tbl | /usr/local/lib/psroff3.0/catconv | psroff -t -Tps | PrintCommand: lpr PreviewCommand: cat > /tmp/JUNK; gs /tmp/JUNK ; /bin/rm -f /tmp/JUNK AMS_PrinterNamesInSpoolDirectories: No AMS_UsersHandleFormatting: No AMS_ValidateDestHosts: No AMS_NameSeparator: 95 AMS_GecosHacks: No AMS_OnlyMail: Yes AMS_AliasesValidation: Yes AMS_WpValidation: 0 AMS_PasswdValidation: 0 AMS_LocalDatabaseValidataion: 0 AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail OldSendmailProgram: /usr/lib/sendmail AMS_MailCollectionCommand: eatmail HelpIndexDir: /usr/local/andrew/help.index Mail seems to work ok now. It's formatting, printing, and previewing that we're having trouble with. We have psroff for printing troff and that FormatCommand should produce postscript output (I know it does if I do this by hand). Why can't I preview and why doesn't the printing mechanism work. I'm sure this is a trivial problem for some Andrew guru. Your help is appreciated. Thanks - Herb -- Herb Barad [Signal & Image Processing Laboratory] [Electrical Engineering Dept. - Tulane Univ.] INTERNET: barad@ee.tulane.edu \enddata{text822, 338586} \begindata{text822, 341612} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 02:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 02:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 19 Feb 93 02:07:57 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA24295; Thu, 18 Feb 93 22:22:34 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 17:06:06 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ Subject: Re: "excerpt all" is very slow Message-Id: References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >You don't, if you only want to excerpt one message -- there is an "Excerpt Bod= >y" menu on the "Other" card in the message-sending window, So there is -- I don't know why I didn't find that. Thanks. >I don't know why the "excerpt all" operation took so long. On my Sun, I find = >that there are bugs with this feature if you don't already have the sending wi= >ndow exposed (de-iconified). I don't know if that's related to your problem o= >r not.... -- Nathaniel Hmmmm. Mine wasn't. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 341612} \begindata{text822, 343569} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 07:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 19 Feb 1993 07:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 19 Feb 93 07:13:03 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA24322; Thu, 18 Feb 93 22:23:51 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 17:13:39 GMT From: siemens!aad@princeton.edu (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ Subject: Re: Font path other than $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts possible? Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >said it was inapplicable to X11. I also tried explicityly setting the >font path on each command line, but that won't always work as users >don't know or care if they are on a big-endian or little-endian >machine. So put it in their .xinitrc's: switch ( `arch` ) case sun3: case sun4: xset +fp /some/directory breaksw case vax: xset +fp /some/other/directory breaksw endsw Your real solution, though, is to stop using R4 servers (or machines with silly byte orders). R5 by default uses PCF files, which are architecture-independent. -- ======================================================================8--< \enddata{text822, 343569} \begindata{text822, 345557} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 03:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 03:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 20 Feb 93 03:08:50 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA02924; Sat, 20 Feb 93 00:02:48 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 19:03:12 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Shadow Colors Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 15-Feb-93 Re: Shadow Colors Anthony A. Datri@siemens (351) > My two cents: I never wanted the Motifish stuff in the first place. I'd > be happy to see it go. Actually for once I agree with the politically correct thing, in this case the 3d look. I like it... All the old code is still there, and the preferences to use it are documented. In the preferences and cmenu help files:UseBuiltinDialogs, ScrollClass, MotifPopupMenus. The SButtonStyle preference (documented in the sbutton help file) should help if you would prefer a plainer appearance for buttons in messages for example. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium p.s. No offense taken, just trying to be informative. \enddata{text822, 345557} \begindata{text822, 347624} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 20 Feb 93 06:21:02 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13361; Sat, 20 Feb 93 03:04:52 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 18:54:41 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Messages wish Message-Id: <0fUcbli00Woi9RJ1VK@andrew.cmu.edu> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 15-Feb-93 Re: Messages wish Anthony A. Datri@siemens (154) > >This has been fixed. > But it'll be a year before I can get it, right? Unless your organization can be convinced to become a member this is correct. We are currently looking into the possibility of distributing copies of ATK for one person's use, but legal and feasibility issues have not been settled yet. If you would be interested in purchasing a single user copy of ATK please contact our director. (Fred Hansen, wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu) -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 347624} \begindata{text822, 349572} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from bernina.ethz.ch by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 20 Feb 93 06:22:37 EST Received: from neptune by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound id <26857-0@bernina.ethz.ch>; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 12:22:32 +0100 Received: from a (a-gw) by neptune id AA12780; Sat, 20 Feb 93 12:22:28 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 12:22:27 +0100 From: Niklaus Gerhard Ruess Message-Id: <9302201122.AA16319@a> Received: from a20 by a id AA16319; Sat, 20 Feb 93 12:22:27 +0100 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Hidden Style Hello, I asked a few weeks ago about what style attributes are available on ATK. You wrote me that the attribute hidden works. Now I made a style: \define{hidden menu:[Font~1,Hidden~13] attr:[Flags Hidden Int Set]} With this style I can hide text. Is there any possibility to make the hidden text visible later on, or is the hidden text invisible for ever? Thanks and greetings. Niklaus Ruess \enddata{text822, 349572} \begindata{text822, 351142} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 20 Feb 93 06:23:07 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11469; Sat, 20 Feb 93 02:26:29 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 18:47:54 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Taking advantage of multiple printers Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Feb-93 Taking advantage of multipl.. Nathan D. Lane@well.sf.c (443) > I currently have in my preferences file hardcoded references to my printer. > Is there any way to make Andrew use any printer that one tells it to? > E.g., there is a "Set Printer" option in ez and messages, but, of course, > when I tell it to go to a different printer it doesn't work since > I have hard coded references to a single printer. The "Set printer" option works by changing the value of the environment variable PRINTER. So you should be able to do a "setenv PRINTER foo" (or PRINTER=foo;export PRINTER) in your .login or .profile, and then replace the references to the actual name of the printer foo with $PRINTER in your preferences. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 351142} \begindata{text822, 353305} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 20 Feb 1993 06:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 20 Feb 93 06:23:39 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11445; Sat, 20 Feb 93 02:26:12 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Feb 93 18:45:13 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Font path other than $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts possible? Message-Id: <8fUcStW00WoiBRJ0UH@andrew.cmu.edu> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 17-Feb-93 Font path other than $ANDRE.. Nathan D. Lane@well.sf.c (1031) > have Andrew set up on X11r4 for various different architectures, including > big-endian and little endian. However, the toolkit (vers. 5.1) insists > on having the font path be $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts. This has been fixed for the R6 release. The relevant code is in andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c. (Look for XSetFontPath.) I added two preferences: AddFontPath which defaults to yes, and AndrewFontDir which defaults to $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts. (Additionally I added the environment variable ANDREWFONTDIR which will be used if it is set to a non-null string, if it is null the fontpath won't be changed.) If you don't want to change the code it should be sufficient to add the appropriate font directory to the front of the font path with xset in the .xinitrc, or on the command line for the X server. Or you might want to install bdf versions of all the fonts and make $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts a symlink to the common font directory. The ATK apps will still try to add $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts to the end of the font path but that should be harmless. I'm curious why $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts is incorrect for your situation. Is it an issue of displaying on a different system than the application is running on? Finally you should be aware that typically .snf files are not portable across architectures, even when endianness is the same. (Also, dec .pcf files are not the same as MIT .pcf files...) -Rob Ryan Andrew COnsortium \enddata{text822, 353305} \begindata{text822, 356215} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 12:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 22 Feb 93 12:24:56 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0016; Mon, 22 Feb 93 12:22:38 EST Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 93 10:37:05 CST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 10:37:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 10:36:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 10:36:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 10:36:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 10:36:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1108+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Style Cc: Niklaus Gerhard Ruess In-Reply-To: <9302201122.AA16319@a> References: <9302201122.AA16319@a> \begindata{text,539060736} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{global } \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 20-Feb-93 Hidden Style Niklaus G. Ruess@iiic.et (402)} \quotation{Is there any possibility to make the }\quotation{hidden text visible later on...? } You can: \description{ a) simply \italic{REMOVE} that style from the text you want to see (of course, you have to \italic{FIND} the style first :-)\smaller{ }. } OR, if you just want to make ALL the invisible text reappear, you can: \description{ b) redefine the **hidden** style to NOT set the Hidden attribute \smaller{(bring up a lookz window via the "Edit Styles" menu, and just click the Hidden attribute to toggle it back off. Hit Ctrl-L to redraw your original window, and voil\^{`}!)} } If this invisible text is something you only want SOME people to see, perhaps you should define the **hidden** style as part of a \italic{template}. The people who maintain the invisible content of those files can have their own copy of the template, where they define the **hidden** style to be gray-colored and smaller, instead of Hidden. That way they won't have to redefine the style on-the-fly every time they want to see it. \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539060736} \enddata{text822, 356215} \begindata{text822, 360302} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7612;andrew.cmu.edu;Andrew-Tool-Kit Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 14:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from muffin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 14:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 14:13:30 -0500 (EST) ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 14:13:30 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: Andrew-Tool-Kit ReSent-To: Susan Straub X-Added: With Flames (ak99 v2.2) Return-path: X-Info: VFL.Paramax.COM is the new name for GVL.Unisys.COM Please change any mailing lists or aliases. Both the old and the new addresses will work for a short time. To: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Information re. ATK Consortium Message-Id: <9302161030.AA27255@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com> Date: 16 Feb 93 10:30:08 EST (Tue) From: johnh@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (John Holloway) Is Unisys a member of the Andrew Toolkit Consortium? If so, please supply me with a name and where/how the person can be reached. Can you recommend a paper/article that could be used to acquaint a "management type" with the consortium? I would appreciate a recommendation of a good "overview" paper of the Andrew User Interface System. Thanks for your help. John Holloway \enddata{text822, 360302} \begindata{text822, 362073} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 23:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Feb 1993 23:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 22 Feb 93 23:45:57 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA08627; Mon, 22 Feb 93 20:37:31 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Feb 93 10:09:39 GMT From: paladin.american.edu!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!ub4b!reks.uia.ac.be!news@gatech.edu (Pieter Verhaeghe) Organization: U.I.A. Subject: andrew and windows Message-Id: <1993Feb22.100939.12695@reks.uia.ac.be> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Maybe this is asked before, but i didn't find an answer in the FAQ at emsworth. Does a version of andrew for windows3.1 exist? (at least some parts) if no, is it possible to put this question on a wish/todo-list? Thank you Pieter --------------------------------------------------------------------------- P. Verhaeghe University of Antwerp, RUCA Algebra / Geometry Groenenborgerlaan 171 B-2020 Antwerpen, Belgium Tel: +32 3 2180376 Fax: +32 3 2180217 Telex: RUCABI 33362 E-mail: pive@banruc60.bitnet (or pive@wins.uia.ac.be) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \enddata{text822, 362073} \begindata{text822, 363996} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:42:09 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 23 Feb 1993 07:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsmisp.mi.infn.it by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 23 Feb 93 07:38:21 EST Received: by dsmisp.mi.infn.it (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03558; Tue, 23 Feb 93 13:38:16 +0100 From: ameroni@dsmisp.mi.infn.it (Alberto Meroni) Message-Id: <9302231238.AA03558@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> Subject: using andrew from a vaxstation To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (andrew) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 13:38:15 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 520 Hello to everybody and sorry to disturb you, I have andrew installed on a decstation running ultrix, working pretty well, and I would like to know how can I use for example ez from a vaxstation running VMS with decwindows, when I set the display to this machine I get core dumped, I thought it was a problem of fonts and I installed the fonts onm the decstation, but still I have the same problem ? Is there a way to solve it ? It does not work both with decnet transport and tcpip. Thank you very much Alberto Meroni \enddata{text822, 363996} \begindata{text822, 365836} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:46:07 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:45:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:45:18 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 472+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: using andrew from a vaxstation In-Reply-To: <9302231238.AA03558@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> References: <9302231238.AA03558@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> \begindata{text,538870228} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 23-Feb-93 using andrew from a vaxstation Alberto Meroni@DSMISP.MI (520)} \quotation{when I set the display to this machine I get core }\quotation{dumped, I thought it was a problem of fonts and I installed the fonts }\quotation{onm the decstation, but still I have the same problem ? } Why don't you run it in a debugger to find out where it dies? It could be that you need to convert the fonts on the VMS machine. Did you do that? Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538870228} \enddata{text822, 365836} \begindata{text822, 367667} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 16:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 16:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 24 Feb 93 16:13:19 EST Received: by lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de (5.61+/IDA-1.2.8/gandalf.2) id AA24324; Wed, 24 Feb 93 22:13:24 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de.pmax_ul4; Wed, 24 Feb 1993 22:13:23 +0100 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 22:13:23 +0100 (MET DST) From: Juergen Henke X-Andrew-Message-Size: 888+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (andrew) Subject: Re: using andrew from a vaxstation In-Reply-To: <9302231238.AA03558@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> References: <9302231238.AA03558@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> \begindata{text,19068428} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{black menu:[Color,Black] attr:['color' 'Black']} \define{red menu:[Color,Red] attr:['color' 'Red']} \define{green menu:[Color,Green] attr:['color' 'Green']} \define{blue menu:[Color,Blue] attr:['color' 'Blue']} \define{magenta menu:[Color,Magenta] attr:['color' 'Magenta']} \define{cyan menu:[Color,Cyan] attr:['color' 'Cyan']} \define{yellow menu:[Color,Yellow] attr:['color' 'Yellow']} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from atk: 23-Feb-93 using andrew from a vaxstation Alberto Meroni@dsmisp.mi (521*)} \quotation{Hello to everybody and sorry to disturb you, I have andrew installed }\quotation{on a decstation running ultrix, working pretty well, and I would }\quotation{like to know how can I use for example ez from a vaxstation running }\quotation{VMS with decwindows, when I set the display to this machine I get core }\quotation{dumped, I thought it was a problem of fonts and I installed the fonts }\quotation{onm the decstation, but still I have the same problem ? } Last time i've checked this there was a problem with ATK adding his \typewriter{\bold{/usr/andrew/X11fonts}} fontpath to the (VMS-) DECwindow fontpath (something around \typewriter{\bold{DECW$FONT}} or so), which caused a lot of troubles with the X server - with older versions of VMS (<= V5.3) it used to work... There was some discussion on this list the other day about persuading ATK \underline{not} to add his fontpath in front... J\^{|}rgen \begindata{layout,19037660} <130,0,385,0,V> \begindata{filler,19761004} \V 2 \begindata{text,19772652} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{paragraph menu:[Title~3,Paragraph~23] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndySans Int 0]} \smaller{\bold{J\^{|}rgen Henke }}\smaller{\smaller{\bold{Fraunhofer-Institut f\^{|}r Produktionstechnik u. 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I have the same problem. I'm running VMS 5.5-2 on a VAXstation 3100 M76 with DW-Motif 1.1. Someone suggested trying an *earlier* version of the VMS DECW$SERVER, but I have yet to experiment with it. Rudy -- Rudy Maceyko University of Pittsburgh/CIS \enddata{text822, 373746} \begindata{text822, 375681} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 02:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 02:38:42 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 02:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsmisp.mi.infn.it by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 25 Feb 93 02:35:49 EST Received: by dsmisp.mi.infn.it (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA07516; Thu, 25 Feb 93 08:35:47 +0100 From: ameroni@dsmisp.mi.infn.it (Alberto Meroni) Message-Id: <9302250735.AA07516@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> Subject: Re: using andrew from a vaxstation To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 08:35:47 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Gary Keim" at Feb 24, 93 01:45:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 871 > > Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 23-Feb-93 using andrew from > a vaxstation Alberto Meroni@DSMISP.MI (520) > > > when I set the display to this machine I get core > > dumped, I thought it was a problem of fonts and I installed the fonts > > onm the decstation, but still I have the same problem ? > > Why don't you run it in a debugger to find out where it dies? It could > be that you need to convert the fonts on the VMS machine. Did you do > that? > > Gary Keim > Andrew Consortium > > I did not tried with the debugger because I did not compile it with debugging option and I should recompile it. For the fonts I copied the uncompiled fonts from the andrew distribution and I compile with decwindow utility, then I added them to the search path with the equivalent of mkfontdir. But it still does not work. Thank you very much Alberto Meroni \enddata{text822, 375681} \begindata{text822, 377955} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 03:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 03:24:31 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Feb 1993 03:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsmisp.mi.infn.it by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 25 Feb 93 03:22:59 EST Received: by dsmisp.mi.infn.it (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA07687; Thu, 25 Feb 93 09:22:57 +0100 From: ameroni@dsmisp.mi.infn.it (Alberto Meroni) Message-Id: <9302250822.AA07687@dsmisp.mi.infn.it> Subject: Re: using andrew from a vaxstation To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 09:22:56 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Fodatec Project" at Feb 25, 93 08:55:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 952 > > We experienced the same problem. Our "solution" was to kill decwindows' > window manager and start another one, e.g. twm. Since that we have run > Andrew applications using VAXstations as X-terminals. > Is this satisfying you ? > > -Kazio > fodatec@kapsch.co.at > I tried it this morning, I killed decwindows_wm and started twm from my ultrix machine, (transport tcpip, not decnet) and I got ameroni@dsmisp$ ez test Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.1); please wait... Segmentation fault After that starting xterm produces ameroni@dsmisp$ xterm X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) Minor opcode of failed request: 0 Resource id in failed request: 0x500001 Serial number of failed request: 7 Current serial number in output stream: 21 ameroni@dsmisp$ And I have to restart the server. Thank you very much Alberto Meroni P.S. My VMS version is 5.5 \enddata{text822, 377955} \begindata{text822, 380321} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 08:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 08:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from regen.dkrz-hamburg.de by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 26 Feb 93 08:32:19 EST X400-Received: by /PRMD=dkrz-hamburg/ADMD=dbp/C=de/; Relayed; 26 Feb 93 14:32:04+0100 Date: 26 Feb 93 14:32:04+0100 From: Josko Bobanovic Message-Id: <9302261332.AA12720@pop.noname> To: Info-Andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: |info| |>send info \enddata{text822, 380321} \begindata{text822, 381329} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 08:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 08:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.iunet.it by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 26 Feb 93 08:51:47 EST Received: from jrc.it (jrc.jrc.it) by relay1.iunet.it with SMTP (5.65c8/IDA-1.2.8) id AA24929; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:53:42 +0100 Received: from iss.isei.jrc.it (venus) by jrc.it; Fri, 26 Feb 93 14:50:25 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.venus.jrc..it.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.venus.jrc+.it.sun4_41; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:54:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:54:32 +0100 (MET) From: Jose Perdigao To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew message specification Hi, We have been having some problems concerning the use of mail gatways (rfc 987) when applied to andrew messages . It seems that the format used by the andrew program "messages" it is not conformal with the RFC 822 norm. In fact the "date" field uses four digits for the year instead of two, and furthermore the "Received" field is of the type "from Messages.8.5. ....mail_domain.operating_system" instead of simply mail domain. The questions are ; Is there any way to force the format of "messages's" mail to be RFC 822 conformal ? Will this problem be solved in future releases of the "messages" program ? Thanks in advance. Jose Perdigao Commission of the European Communities Joint Research Centre (JRC) Informatic Systems Engeneering Institute (ISEI) 21020 ISPRA(VA) ITALY Tel: xx-39-332-789181 Fax: xx-39-332-789991 Telex: xx-39-332-380042 EUR I E-mail: jose.perdigao@jrc.it \enddata{text822, 381329} \begindata{text822, 383547} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 2971;andrew.cmu.edu;John Gardiner Myers Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:14:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:14:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Gardiner Myers To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew message specification In-Reply-To: References: Beak: Is The mail gateways are broken and should be fixed. The RFC 822 syntax for dates has been updated by RFC 1123 section 5.2.14 to allow and recommend the use of 4 digit years in Date: headers. Any system that does not use 4 digit years is going to have serious problems in seven years. RFC 822 and RFC 821 contradict each other over the syntax of the ID portion of Received: headers. RFC 822 is incorrect. What mail gateways are these? Who is their author? _.John \enddata{text822, 383547} \begindata{text822, 385328} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:30:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fXazl600Woh8xesQz@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 14:30:57 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim To: Info-Andrew , geira@stud.cs.uit.no (Geir Arnfinn Forsmo) Subject: Re: Info about Andrew In-Reply-To: <1993Feb26.115352.18059@news.uit.no> References: <1993Feb26.115352.18059@news.uit.no> Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 26-Feb-93 Info about Andrew Geir Arnfinn Forsmo@stud (654) > I'm new to Andrew and I would like some recommended articles/papers on > this issue. I'm a graduate and I'm working on extending a multimedia > mail system to make it generate multimedia mails. I've already been > looking at xmh, but some says that I should look at Andrew. If you could > send any information or views, I would be grateful. There are some papers in Postscript format available for anonymous ftp from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu () in the direcotry ./cdrom/doc/papers. You can also experience the Remote Andrew Demo. You can get info on the Remote Demo by fingering @atk.andrew.cmu.edu. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 385328} \begindata{text822, 387219} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 16:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 16:05:58 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 16:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 26 Feb 93 16:03:42 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 93 16:03:11 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for jose.perdigao@jrc.it; Fri, 26 Feb 93 16:03:09 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Andrew message specification Cc: Jose Perdigao In-Reply-To: References: I believe there was a later RFC that extended the specification for the "Date" field, so that what Andrew does is legal in that regard. The formal grammar for the Received field in RFC 822 defines a syntactic entity called "domain". Things of the form "messages.8.5....mail_domain.operating_system" do, I believe, conform to that syntax, so they are not, I believe, illegal. One can argue that the use of the name "domain" for this syntactic entity is pretty strong evidence that all that was intended to go there was a real mail domain, and that therefore Andrew violates the spirit of the rules, but I believe it does comply with the actual technical specification. \enddata{text822, 387219} \begindata{text822, 389684} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:17:12 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 26 Feb 93 18:12:59 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17283; Fri, 26 Feb 93 18:12:52 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA25014; Fri, 26 Feb 93 18:12:50 -0500 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:12:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:12:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2154+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Gotta drop the alloca include hack from platform.tmpl for Solaris 2. Cc: vrt@Athena.MIT.EDU, miki@Athena.MIT.EDU, Hal.Stern@East.sun.com In platform.tmpl is a: /* * Sleazy hack to tell 4.0[.x] from 4.1[.x]. * alloca.h> should be safe to include, as it only defines "alloca()" * and, in 4.1[.x], "_alloca_h". Neither of those should affect "imake". */ Initially, I thought that since Solaris 2 (aka Sun 5.1) defines alloca() instead of the _alloca_h, I could just chop the 4.0 clause and use it to define 5.1 into existance. Alas, in alloca.h appears the line: #pragma ident "#alloca.h 1.4 92/07/14 SMI" /* SVr4.0 1.1 */ Which appears in ALL makefiles that include platform.tmpl as: #pragma ident "@(#)alloca.h 1.4 92/07/14 SMI" For some reason, this line sits quietly until one tries to make Makefiles in atk/text. ONLY THEN does it decide to die with the error: make: Fatal error: Don't know how to make target `Makefiles' If I edit the #pragma line out, atk/text/Makefile works just fine! ---- Assigning blame: 1. Sun is the primary party at fault here. They are to be PUBLICLY FLOGGED for sending out an incompatible set of C libraries on a new version of the operating system without a way to identify that state PRE-DEFINED in the C system: IE a VERSION NUMBER in the C preprocessor, or in a .h file. 2. Whoever wrote the gross hack to include alloca.h to detect the version has committed a high crime and misdimeanor and should be required to find a NEW way to identify the version. But party #1 above should be damned to listen to them TRYING to find one! 3. Imake should be taught to filter out pragmas in #included things from the C preprocessor. It is becoming progressively more clear that "THE VERSION OF THE C PREPROCESSOR THAT WORKS WITH IMAKE" should be included as an intrinsic part of the sources of Imake. ---- Finding a solution: Can anyone tell me why atk/text should choke on the pragma? Can anyone suggest new code for platform.tmpl? Can anyone at Sun be prevailed upon to update their operating system to have a version number built into CPP or into a .h file? (It it's a .h file, can they be prevailed to leave out the identifying pragma?) Does this mean that ATK needs to ship its own version of CPP and Imake? -wdc \enddata{text822, 389684} \begindata{text822, 393841} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 18:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 26 Feb 93 18:48:24 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1420; Fri, 26 Feb 93 18:46:10 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 93 17:46:20 CST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:46:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:46:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:45:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:45:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <0fXeiok91JbdJ90Vs5@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:45:56 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1293+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Gotta drop the alloca include hack from platform.tmpl for Solaris 2. In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539153408} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 26-Feb-93 Gotta drop the alloca inclu.. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (2154+0)} \quotation{Can anyone at Sun be prevailed upon to update their operating system to have a version number built into CPP or into a .h file? (It it's a .h file, can they be prevailed to leave out the identifying pragma?) } Unfortunately IBM has the same problem with AIX, although I see today that cpp defines _AIX32 on my machine. I'll have to check and see if this is a local hack here, or if AIX is actually shipping with such a define. Ideally, cpp (or imake) on every system in the universe would define enough symbols to distinguish that system from all others. I suppose something like X's BOOTSTRAPFLAGS could be supported, or could include something like which would define something representing the actual machine type (hopefully most systems could leave this as an empty file). Another approach would have a front end for imake which "does the right thing." That is, a single line script in config/machine could run imake with a unique -D. Or a single script could read config/machine/system.h looking for the #define SYS_NAME of the system name, and run imake -DSYSTYPE=type. Or just continue the alloca hack some more :-).... -todd inglett \enddata{text,539153408} \enddata{text822, 393841} \begindata{text822, 397286} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 13:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 13:05:47 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 13:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from MIT.EDU (MIT.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Sun, 28 Feb 93 13:02:10 EST Received: from HEYOKA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12428; Sun, 28 Feb 93 13:01:49 EST Received: by heyoka.MIT.EDU (4.1/4.7) id AA12866; Sun, 28 Feb 93 13:01:21 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.heyoka.noname.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.heyoka.noname.sun4_41; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 13:01:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 13:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Subject: We're porting ATK to Linux. Cc: richb@rkbhome.jti.com, tytso@athena.mit.edu At work, I'm doing the Solaris 2 port of ATK. At home, with a friend who has a '486 box, I'm doing a port of ATK to Linux. Does anybody have any preliminary work on this they could share? Of CRUCIAL interest is: "How does the Linux Shared Library stuff work?" Does it (Please God) use the standard SysV dlopen? -wdc \enddata{text822, 397286} \begindata{text822, 399184} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 23:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 28 Feb 1993 23:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 28 Feb 93 23:49:58 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA08898; Sun, 28 Feb 93 20:43:11 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 26 Feb 93 11:53:52 GMT From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!geira@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Geir Arnfinn Forsmo) Organization: University of Troms Subject: Info about Andrew Message-Id: <1993Feb26.115352.18059@news.uit.no> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello! I'm new to Andrew and I would like some recommended articles/papers on this issue. I'm a graduate and I'm working on extending a multimedia mail system to make it generate multimedia mails. I've already been looking at xmh, but some says that I should look at Andrew. If you could send any information or views, I would be grateful. -- //// Geir Arnfinn Forsmo | University of Tromsoe / /// Stuertveien 13 | Phone/Fax: +47-83-44591/08344580 // // N-9014 TROMSOE | E-mail: geira@stud.cs.uit.no /// / NORWAY | or: geir.forsmo@itek.norut.no//// \enddata{text822, 399184}