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nk.com     (Dave Sill) Subject: Re: R4 contrib problems Cc:
info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To:
<1990Jan31.204640.7131@relay.nswc.navy.mil> References:
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> *Excerpts from xpert: 31-Jan-90 R4 contrib problems Dave
Sill@think.com* > *(2435)* 
> (SPARCstation 1, unpatched R4) 
> I've had trouble with several things under R4's contrib: 
> 1. Andrew 
>     After following the configuration instructions in README and >
running imake, I type `make World'.  It blows up with: 
> ../.././config/depend.csh   //usr/include/X11 > "cc"
/usr/andrew/bin/class "-I.  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk >
-I/usr/andrew/include >  -I//usr/include/X11" > usage: depends ${DEPEND}
${BASEDIR} ${XINCDIR} ${CC} ${CLASS} > ${INCLUDES} [${AFS > BASEDIR}] >
*** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `depend'
> Current working directory
/wk/tape-4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/overhead/sys 
> Examing the Makefile in overhead/sys, I find: 
> depend:: >       $(DEPENDSCRIPT) $(/usr/bin/X11/makedepend)
$(/wk/andy) $(XINCDIR) >       "$(CC)" $(CLASS) "-I. $(LOCALINCLUDES)
$(INCLUDES)" 
> The problem is apparently the superfluous $() around $XMAKEDEPEND and
> $BASEDIR.  I've been unable to locate the Imakefile or template >
responsible for this line.  Any ideas? 

Well, I'm trying to build the same thing on my SPARCstation, and I
haven't seen that problem at all.  You might want to doublecheck your
"site.h" and "site.mcr" files.  I had a different problem when I omitted
a trailing newline from the last line of my "site.mcr" file. 
My current problem is that "make World" always dies in atk/ness/doc
where "nessrun" aborts with an illegal instruction exception.  I've
tried lots of combinations of compiler options, patched vs. unpatched
sources, etc., and nothing seems to help.  Has anyone seen anything
similar?  The problem does not seem to be specific to "nessrun", because
if I pick up and continue building everything else with "make
dependInstall", most of the other apps die with the same error.  The
only thing I've changed at all in the source distribution from the R4
tape is adding "site.h" and "site.mcr" files.  (I'm quite sure of this,
I even restored everything from tape to be sure I had clean sources --
unless the tape is mucked up.)  My "site.h" and "site.mcr" files follow.
 I'm using Sun's cc compiler with no optimization, although I get the
same behavior whether or not I use -O. 
--- site.mcr --- 
/* site.mcr file for ICASE Sun 4's */ 
XBASEDIR = /usr/icase/X11R4 CDEBUGFLAGS = -pipe XUTILDIR =
$(XBASEDIR)/bin XINCDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/include/X11 XMKFONTDIR =
$(XUTILDIR)/mkfontdir XLIBDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/lib XFC =
$(XUTILDIR)/bdftosnf RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a 
#define ConstructMFLAGS 

--- site.h --- 
/* site.h file for ICASE Sun 4's */ 
#define MK_BLD_BLKS             1 #define MK_BASIC_UTILS          1
#define MK_BASIC_INSETS         1 #define MK_HELP                 1
#define MK_TEXT_EXT             1 #define MK_AUTHORING            1
#define MK_AUX_UTILS            1 #define MK_AUX_INSETS           1
#define MK_EXAMPLES             1 
#undef LINKINSTALL_ENV 
/* Change this if we ever get ditroff! */ #undef  DITROFF_ENV 
#undef  DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV #define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV  
/usr/icase/X11R4/andrew 
#undef  DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV #define DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV   
/usr/icase/X11R4/andrew/local 

Tom Crockett 
ICASE Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering
M.S. 132C                               e-mail:  tom@icase.edu NASA
Langley Research Center            phone:  (804) 864-2182 Hampton,  VA 
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>There is now a toez command which converts Scribe or troff/nroff to ez. 
Yes, but it appears to just be another application wrapper around the
"rofftext" object, just as "rofftext" itself is.  However, while 
	toez -ms <your input file> 
worked OK (<your input file> being the slice of the input file you
provided), "rofftext -t -ms <your input file>" didn't.  Furthermore,
neither "rofftext" *nor* "toez" did anything with the following: 
-------------------------------Cut
Here---------------------------------------- .LP The Xmu Library is a
collection of miscellaneous (some might say random) utility functions
that have been useful in building various applications and widgets. 
This library is required by the Athena Widgets.
-------------------------------Cut
Here---------------------------------------- 
where "rofftext" was run with "-ms" ("-t" or not "-t" didn't matter),
and "toez" was run with "-ms" as well ("-troff" or not "-troff" didn't
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"nroff -ms <that file>" did work, however.  The "-ms" macro package here
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>The "-ms" macro package here is the standard SunOS 4.0.3 one;
>differences between the various "-ms" packages may account for these
>problems. 
In fact, it probably *does* account for it, in combination with a
"rofftext" bug.  The document 
	.de XX 	.de YY 	\.. 	.. 	.XX 	Hello, world 
when run with "rofftext" with no extra arguments (i.e., no "-ms")
produces an empty document, with "Hello, world" nowhere in it.  I think
"rofftext" can't cope with macros that define macros, as "XX" does
there, and as do several macros in the SunOS 4.0.3 "-ms" macro package
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<mss+@andrew.cmu.edu>, sean@dsl.pitt.edu (Sean McLinden) Subject: Re:
Andrew on DECStation 3100 (getting -g 0 libraries) CC: To:
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Mark Sherman <mss+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > Did you check with Zalman
Stern here? (zs01+) As an IBM project, we certainly > don`t get any
special treatment from DEC, but I think we managed to get the > -g 0
libraries (at least Zalman got it working here when he did the port). > 
            -Mark 

The ITC doesn't get any special treatment from DEC, but Academic
Computing may have when they made it clear that they weren't buying very
many 3100s if ATK didn't run on them. Anyway, DEC gave them the sources
to libc and Sohan and I managed to get them compiled so everything
worked. Basiaclly, you need to compile all of libc with the -G 0 switch.
You also need a -G 0 libm.a. I used sources off of uunet to do that. 
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DECStation 3100 (getting -g 0 libraries) Cc: To.sean@dsl.pitt.edu; 
In theory, there should be no problem in placing the binaries for the
libraries in a public directory for FTP. Sun does that all of the time
since their libraries are, typically, out of date with respect to
standard ARPA services. 
The problem with compiling Berkeley sources is that there is assembly
language code for some of the most commonly used routines. Once *could*
simply extract those from the distributed archive and compile the rest
with -G 0. 
I dunno if the problem would not occur if the GNU C compiler were used. 
Is it possible that the compiled libraries could be posted, somewhere? 
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Is it possible to edit a mail message while reading it under messages?
When I try to edit it in the bottom window, it says that the message is
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[This is a PS to an answer I sent to Barry alone; however, I thought of
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Although the general answer is "no", you can hack around this by
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6 Feb 90 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Rohall
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problem linking ATK with Oracle... 
My guess is that my problem is an oracle bug, but nsb said that he
remembered seeing something similar on the net at one time, so here
goes... 
I have an application that uses the Oracle relational database system
and also uses ATK for a front end.  Recently we upgraded from V5 Oracle
to V6.  At the same time we upgraded to the latest release of X and
Andrew.  Now when I try to link everything together (either by making
multiple calls to ld and then calling makedo or by calling makedo with
my object and all the necessary libraries) I get an error of an
undefined symbol "uname".  I called Oracle and they told me that Oracle
V6 is System5 cc-compatible and that I should include a System5 libc.a
at the end of my list of libraries.  I make the change and then dofix
gives me an undefined symbol of "end".  Using the System5 c compiler
produces the same result.  Does this sound vaguely familiar to anyone?
Is it possible that the problem lies in the Oracle libs which were
undoubtedly compiled with Sys5 cc?  Any thoughts would be appreciated. 
			-Steve. 
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We are running AMS on our system but since only a limited number of
users have any sort of workstation running X only a few are actually
using the messages program. Because of this I have set the
AMS_UsersHandleFormatting to 'no', meaning that whenever anyone sends a
message with formatting to someone in the local domain they are asked if
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about formatting etc. The problem with this is that each person has
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or for messages to check it directly. I have looked in various help
files but didn't find anything which helped to answer this. 
Also we are having trouble getting people to use AMS, currently they use
the MH mail system and a number of users are worried about the fact that
once mail is read into AMS its name gets munged and its not easy to get
it back out into MH. I know about cui and that it could be used as a
replacement for MH on tty terminals but it is no where near as easier to
use as MH or vmail which runs on top of MH. Is there a way which AMS can
look at the same files as MH, not munge names and use its files for
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> *Excerpts from info-andrew: 8-Feb-90 System wide AMS alias file
Graham* > *Dumpleton@uunet.u (1709)* 
> My question is, can I have a system wide AMS aliases file which I >
can put $forceformat lines in for each user using Andrew, and then have
> this included in individuals aliases files using and include statement
> or for messages to check it directly. 
Our environment sounds a lot like yours.  We would also be interested in
a site-wide .AMS_aliases file which would be scanned along with that of
individual users. 
_Tom Crockett_ 
*ICASE* Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering 
M.S. 132C                               e-mail:  tom@icase.edu NASA
Langley Research Center            phone:  (804) 864-2182 Hampton,  VA 
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References: <4Zo_g7K6bk8nE=ZEhA@otc.otca.oz> 
There's not currently a system-wide alias file, but I too have come to
realize (since leaving the more homogeneous CMU environment) that it
would be a very useful thing to have, for precisely the reason you
mentioned.  It should be pretty easy; at some point, I might even do it
and send CMU a patch. 
As for the MH compatibility question -- there is a feature in AMS (the
"alien tree" feature) that was designed for AMS/MH/Netnews
interoperability, but it has not been heavily used, and probably can be
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all, but I know a few people have tried it.  Perhaps one of them can
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Enclosure: ---- Enclosure ---- To: Info-Andrew
<info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>, Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re:
System wide AMS alias file In-Reply-To:
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For those of us who have users with GNU Emacs "rmail" bound to their
brains, here's an elisp function to display an ATK mail message from
rmail: 

---- Enclosure ---- (defun rmail-show-message-as-andrew-object ()  
"View andrew mail message from RMAIL"   (interactive)   (if (or (eq
window-system 'x) 	  (getenv "DISPLAY"))       (let (from to date
subject body body-begin msg-end) 	(save-excursion 	  (save-restriction 	
   (setq msg-end (rmail-msgend rmail-current-message)) 	    (widen) 	   
(goto-char (rmail-msgbeg rmail-current-message)) 	    (forward-line 1) 	
   (narrow-to-region 	     (if (= (following-char) ?0) 		 (progn