Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Aug 91 05:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Aug 91 05:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.cwi.nl by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 2 Aug 91 05:20:03 EDT Received: by charon.cwi.nl with SMTP; Fri, 2 Aug 91 11:19:50 +0200 Received: by karper.cwi.nl with SMTP; Fri, 2 Aug 91 09:19:49 GMT Message-Id: <9108020919.AA00555@karper.cwi.nl> To: guido@cwi.nl Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1014+0 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: help core dumps, Ultrix 4.2, DECtation 5000, PL10 In-Reply-To: <5210@borg.cs.unc.edu> References: <5210@borg.cs.unc.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 91 11:19:48 +0200 Sender: guido@cwi.nl ------- End of Forwarded Message Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Aug 91 10:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Aug 91 10:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kum.kaist.ac.kr by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 2 Aug 91 10:56:25 EDT Received: from mani.kaist.ac.kr by kum.kaist.ac.kr (4.0/KUM-0.1) id AA19511; Fri, 2 Aug 91 23:55:45 KDT Return-Path: Received: by mani.kaist.ac.kr (4.12/08-14-86) id AA22799; Fri, 2 Aug 91 23:55:33 KDT From: bhkim@mani.kaist.ac.kr (Kim Byoung hak) Message-Id: <9108021355.AA22799@mani.kaist.ac.kr> Subject: installing ATK on sorbourne WS To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Fri, 2 Aug 91 23:55:32 GMT+9:00 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Hi! I'm trying andrew toolkit in our sorbourne sparc station. But there is some problem. In compling atk/basics/region.do is not work doindex command. The follow is error message. How can I solve this problem. -------------------------------------------------------- doindex: indexing profile.do ...OK doindex: indexing region.do ...doload: Undefined symbol: _XXorRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XUnionRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XIntersectRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XSubtractRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XDestroyRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XCreateRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XPolygonRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XOffsetRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XShrinkRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XEmptyRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XPointInRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XRectInRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XEqualRegion doload: Undefined symbol: _XClipBox doload: Errors while processing doindex: NULL entrypoint from region.do...program terminated! *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install.time' -------------------------------------------------------- I think that the Makefile make region.o using -c option.So It is not linked libX11.a. any help make me happy! thanks in advance. Bye! Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------- Name : Kim Byounghak Addr : SA Lab.,CS Dept.,KAIST,Chongryang 207-43, Seoul 130-650,Republic of Korea E-Mail : bhkim@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr bhkim@adam.kaist.ac.kr Tel : +82-2-962-1006 Fax : +82-2-969-0239 -------------------------------------------------------------- Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Aug 91 11:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Aug 91 11:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.berkeley.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 2 Aug 91 11:25:47 EDT Received: by ucbvax.berkeley.edu (5.63/1.42) id AA11827; Fri, 2 Aug 91 08:18:22 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 2 Aug 91 13:36:05 GMT From: borg!news_server!menges@mcnc.org (John Menges) Organization: University of North Carolina, Dept of Computer Science Subject: Re: Andrew on Decstation 5000/120 running Ultrix 4.2 Message-Id: References: <1991Jul30.115615.12244@newcastle.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've sent my Ultrix 4.2 notes to Andrew Thomas. Should anyone else be attempting this build, I'd be glad to send you my notes as well. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Aug 91 08:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Aug 91 08:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.berkeley.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 5 Aug 91 08:31:16 EDT Received: by ucbvax.berkeley.edu (5.63/1.42) id AA06352; Mon, 5 Aug 91 05:27:15 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Aug 91 10:05:32 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!stl!stc!graham@uunet.uu.net (Graham Bardsley) Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London, N11 1HB Subject: Re: installing ATK on sorbourne WS Message-Id: <1991Aug5.100532.14262@tcom.stc.co.uk> References: <9108021355.AA22799@mani.kaist.ac.kr> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <9108021355.AA22799@mani.kaist.ac.kr> bhkim@MANI.KAIST.AC.KR (Kim Byoung hak) writes: >Hi! > >I'm trying andrew toolkit in our sorbourne sparc station. >But there is some problem. >In compling atk/basics/region.do is not work doindex command. > > ... > >doload: Undefined symbol: _XEqualRegion >doload: Undefined symbol: _XClipBox >doload: Errors while processing >doindex: NULL entrypoint from region.do...program terminated! >*** Error code 1 >make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install.time' >-------------------------------------------------------- > >I think that the Makefile make region.o using -c option.So >It is not linked libX11.a. >any help make me happy! > I had the same problem when building on a Sun4/SunOS4.0.3. The problem is that doload can't find the libX11 library (ours are in /usr/local/lib). In the end I patched the Imakefile. Here's a patch you can apply (of course its unofficial) *** atk/basics/common/Imakefile.OLD Thu Jul 4 18:14:03 1991 --- atk/basics/common/Imakefile Thu Jul 4 16:21:57 1991 *************** *** 23,29 **** profile.doc rect.doc region.doc rm.doc sizes.doc updlist.doc view.doc winsys.doc ! LIBS = -L${XLIBDIR} -lX11 NormalObjectRule() NormalATKRule() --- 23,33 ---- profile.doc rect.doc region.doc rm.doc sizes.doc updlist.doc view.doc winsys.doc ! /* Changed by GPB: Thu Jul 4 16:18:48 BST 1991 - don't ! * work on Sun4/SunOS4.0.3 ! */ ! /* LIBS = -L${XLIBDIR} -lX11 */ ! LIBS = $(XLIBDIR)/libX11.a NormalObjectRule() NormalATKRule() I hope this helps... Graham -- Graham Bardsley,NT Europe Ltd,Oakleigh Road South,New Southgate,London, N11 1HB ..{uunet,mcsun}!ukc!stc!graham Tel: +44 81 945 3799 And my compact ISO10021 address is probably something like: I=G/S=Bardsley/OU=lon4021/O=stc telecommunications/P=stc plc/A=gold 400/C=GB Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Aug 91 14:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Aug 91 14:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from humu.nosc.mil by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 5 Aug 91 14:21:39 EDT Received: from pegasus.UUCP by humu.nosc.mil (5.61/1.35) id AA27399; Mon, 5 Aug 91 08:21:45 -1000 Received: by pegasus.com (5.51/PEGASUS-2.2) id AA27440; Sun, 4 Aug 91 07:33:19 HST Received: by ssi-h.pegasus.com (4.1/SSI-2.1ps) id AA06386; Sun, 4 Aug 91 07:30:17 HST Date: Sun, 4 Aug 91 07:30:17 HST From: johnw@ssi-h.pegasus.com (John Williams) Message-Id: <9108041730.AA06386@ssi-h.pegasus.com> Errors-To: johnw@ssi-h.pegasus.com To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Chris Koenigsberg's comments about /usr/local Cc: johnw@humu.nosc.mil We have been discussing and experimenting with (for a long time now) different ways of arranging applications in a Unix filesystem. Despite several very sensible suggestions to the contrary, /usr/local always seems to pop up as an old favorite, along with its kissin' cousins /usr/lib and /usr/include. Well, we're about to cast an organization scheme "in concrete" as it were, and before we do I'd like to make a last appeal for case histories and/or rational analyses from those who have fought this battle before us. If ANYONE has any light to shed on the subject, particularly with emphasis on how you came to your conclusions (rather than just the conclusions themselves) I'd sure appreciate hearing from you. As long as I'm asking for input, what do you know about "the depot" developed by the National Institute of Standards? Their paper outlines a very sensible sounding organizational scheme, but as we have learned from experience, "sounding sensible" isn't necessarily tightly coupled with "working well". Any reactions to "the depot"? Thanks, johnw@ssi-h.pegasus.com John Williams Seafloor Surveys International, Inc. Phone: (808) 537-9561 1221 Kapiolani Blvd., Ph-40 Fax: (808) 523-5958 Honolulu, Hi. 96814 Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 07:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 07:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcsun.EU.net by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Aug 91 07:12:47 EDT Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; id AA17535 (5.65a/CWI-2.101); Thu, 8 Aug 1991 13:12:44 +0200 Received: by tuvie.can.ac.at via EUnet; id AA02596 (5.65b+/CAN-1.13); Thu, 8 Aug 91 12:52:43 +0200 Received: by kapsch.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08617; Thu, 8 Aug 91 12:20:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 91 12:20:54 +0200 From: kapsch!fodatec@relay.EU.net (Fodatec Project) Message-Id: <9108081020.AA08617@kapsch.at> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Raster file formats. Please send us the specifications for the Andrew raster file format. We are in the process of designing a conversion program to convert TIFF files to the Andrew raster file format, so any other information that might be relavent would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Philip Wiebe Kapsch AG Vienna, Austria Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 10:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 10:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elysees.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Aug 91 10:24:24 EDT Received: by elysees.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.2) id AA00668; Thu, 8 Aug 91 10:24:16 -0400 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.elysees.noname.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.elysees.noname.sun4_40; Thu, 8 Aug 1991 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1991 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony V. Edwards" To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ez/ctext/tags suggestion I've written a shell script to get around this mostly, but it sure would be nice if Ez had the feature built in: I'd like to be able to do something like ez -t my_subroutine_name And have ez load the correct .c file as determined from the 'tags' file. I imagine that it's not that simple because of the way insets work and the command line option is targeted at a specific inset, but it would be great to have it. Just a suggestion. - Anthony Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 17:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Aug 91 17:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Aug 91 17:32:12 EDT Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <11644>; Thu, 8 Aug 1991 14:31:44 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <33026>; Thu, 8 Aug 1991 14:33:17 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Thu, 8 Aug 1991 14:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1991 14:33:11 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, fodatec%kapsch.uucp@relay.eu.net (Fodatec Project) Subject: Re: Raster file formats. In-Reply-To: <9108081020.AA08617@kapsch.at> References: <9108081020.AA08617@kapsch.at> You can use the PBM package, and the converter I wrote to go from PBM format to ATK format: tifftoppm newfile.atk Perhaps someone at the ITC could advise on where to get the converters I wrote? They don't seem to be in Patch 10. Bill Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 91 08:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 91 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 9 Aug 91 08:53:35 EDT Received: from mtgz047 by mtgzfs3.att.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA24945; Fri, 9 Aug 91 08:02:07 EDT Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mtgz047.gazelle.att.com.sun4. 40 via MS.5.6.mtgz047.gazelle.att.com.sun4_40; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 08:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 08:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: C C Hayden X-Andrew-Message-Size: 610+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: "Anthony V. Edwards" Subject: Re: ez/ctext/tags suggestion Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 91 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 91 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 9 Aug 91 10:59:17 EDT Received: from fiji.bellcore.com.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 9 Aug 91 10:59:14 EDT Received: by fiji.bellcore.com.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 9 Aug 91 10:59:16 EDT Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fiji.galaxy.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.fiji.galaxy.sun4_40; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 10:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 10:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Rohall To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Fwd: Announcing Personal Postmaster Cc: Jonathan Rosenberg , Nathaniel Borenstein References: <1991Aug6.210736.28223@qualix.com> Distribution: ba I thought Andrew users might find this interesting. It was posted to comp.windows.x.announce. -Steve. ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.comp.windows.x.announce X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;thumper.bellcore.com;Network-Mail Received: via nntppoll with nntp; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 02:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.announce Path: thumper.bellcore.com!bellcore!uunet!qualix!qualix.com!toms From: toms@qualix.com (Tom Stuart) Subject: Announcing Personal Postmaster Message-ID: <1991Aug6.210736.28223@qualix.com> Sender: usenet@qualix.com Organization: The Qualix Group, Inc. 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Operating system: Sun OS 4.1 or higher Hardware: Sun 3, Sun4/SPARCstation Memory: 8 MB or greater Monitor: Monochrome, grayscale or color (color recommended) GUI: Open Windows 2.0 Qualix Group, Inc. 1900 S. Norfolk Street, Suite 224 San Mateo, CA 94403 TEL (800) 245-UNIX, FAX (415) 572-1300 EMAIL info@qualix.com For more information, please see our more complete posting in biz.comp.software. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 17:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewey.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 17:02:55 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from dewey.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dewey.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.dewey.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_40; Fri, 9 Aug 1991 16:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1991 16:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 926+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: ez2ascii problem Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 10 Aug 91 23:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 10 Aug 91 23:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from humu.nosc.mil by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 10 Aug 91 23:15:11 EDT Received: from pegasus.UUCP by humu.nosc.mil (5.61/1.35) id AA28325; Sat, 10 Aug 91 17:14:58 -1000 Received: by pegasus.com (5.51/PEGASUS-2.2) id AA17996; Sat, 10 Aug 91 17:13:51 HST Received: by ssi-h.pegasus.com (4.1/SSI-2.1ps) id AA07269; Sat, 10 Aug 91 17:05:45 HST Date: Sat, 10 Aug 91 17:05:45 HST From: johnw@ssi-h.pegasus.com (John Williams) Message-Id: <9108110305.AA07269@ssi-h.pegasus.com> Errors-To: johnw@ssi-h.pegasus.com To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Printing multimedia documents Cc: johnw@humu.nosc.mil I have experimented with EZ, ATK, and I think that ATK has a lot to offer us. However, I have tried to find a copy of "psdit", but the quote from Adobe was $1795 per CPU. This is way beyond our means. Is there a less expensive alternative? Or does the ATK project have any plans to revise their output formats so that it doesn't generate a mix of *roff and postscript which is apparently costly unravel for a printer? I hope there is a simple answer, because I was really enjoying working with ATK. johnw@ssi-h.pegasus.com John Williams Seafloor Surveys International, Inc. Phone: (808) 537-9561 1221 Kapiolani Blvd., Ph-40 Fax: (808) 523-5958 Honolulu, Hi. 96814 Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.berkeley.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 12 Aug 91 14:42:40 EDT Received: by ucbvax.berkeley.edu (5.63/1.42) id AA26245; Mon, 12 Aug 91 11:29:51 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Aug 91 17:51:48 GMT From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Printing multimedia documents Message-Id: <9333@auspex.auspex.com> References: <9108110305.AA07269@ssi-h.pegasus.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >I have experimented with EZ, ATK, >and I think that ATK has a lot to offer us. >However, I have tried to find a copy of "psdit", but the >quote from Adobe was $1795 per CPU. >This is way beyond our means. Is there a less >expensive alternative? Or does the ATK project >have any plans to revise their output formats >so that it doesn't generate a mix of *roff and postscript >which is apparently costly unravel for a printer? It's not unraveled by the printer; ATK expects you to have DITROFF with some package that lets you shove embedded PostScript into a "troff" document, and that combination unravels it. One such combination is AT&T's Documenters Workbench (or some third-party binary port thereof) plus Adobe's TranScript. Unfortunately, another such combination does *not* appear to be the GNU project's "groff"; I guess they decided they were too clever to just implement embedded PostScript in a fashion compatible with the fashion that "psdit" uses, or even implement their Obviously Superior solution *and* provide a "psdit"-compatible scheme as well. Alas, their scheme, at least as of the version of "groff" I got from somebody's CD-ROM (I've no desire to bring up G++ just to get ATK to print, so I just snarfed the binaries from a CD-ROM), seems to be oriented towards having the "troff" document suck in the PostScript from another file, rather than having it embedded in the "troff" source. However, ATK doesn't work that way; it just pumps out one "troff" document. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew-bugs; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:06:32 EDT Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <11875>; Mon, 12 Aug 1991 18:06:18 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <33026>; Mon, 12 Aug 1991 18:06:13 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Mon, 12 Aug 1991 18:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1991 18:06:07 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 769+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: problem with xim_Now() Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:32:11 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA16346; Mon, 12 Aug 91 21:32:17 -0400 Received: from chillon.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 213138.25289; Mon, 12 Aug 1991 21:31:38 EDT Received: by chillon id AA15187 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for auspex!guy); Mon, 12 Aug 91 20:50:08 -0400 From: Jeff Putsch Message-Id: <9108130050.AA15187@chillon> Subject: Re: Printing multimedia documents To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Aug 91 20:50:07 EDT Cc: uunet!auspex!guy@uunet.UU.NET In-Reply-To: <9333@auspex.auspex.com>; from "Guy Harris" at Aug 12, 91 5:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Howdy, > > Unfortunately, another such combination does *not* appear to be the GNU > project's "groff"; I guess they decided they were too clever to just > implement embedded PostScript in a fashion compatible with the fashion > that "psdit" uses, or even implement their Obviously Superior solution > *and* provide a "psdit"-compatible scheme as well. > > Alas, their scheme, at least as of the version of "groff" I got from > somebody's CD-ROM (I've no desire to bring up G++ just to get ATK to > print, so I just snarfed the binaries from a CD-ROM), seems to be > oriented towards having the "troff" document suck in the PostScript from > another file, rather than having it embedded in the "troff" source. > However, ATK doesn't work that way; it just pumps out one "troff" > document. > Actually, this is not quite correct. I got the following from this newsgroup a while back. Add the line .so /usr/andrew/lib/tmac/tmac.psatk or the equivalent (source the 'roff file) to the end of Andrew's /usr/andrew/lib/tmac/tmac.atK It seems to work just fine for me - I've tried animations, rasters, spreadsheets, and documents. Jeff. ------- Cut here for /usr/andrew/lib/tmac/tmac.psatk -------- .nr zT 0 .if ' /saved save def currentpoint translate def userdict begin bind def /PE { end saved restore } bind def /troffadjust { pop 0 } bind def . .de PB .ne \$1p .nr zT \n(zT>0 \*[PB\n(zT]\ . .de PE