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Excerpts from info-andrew: 27-Jul-90 Tabs smyser@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (1268)

> On my desk I have three computers: this MIT Project Athena workstation with 
> EZ as my favorite editor, a PC on which I often use one of Word for Windows, 
> Wordperfect or Epsilon, and a Mac with Word.  They're all connected to the 
> net, and I have to routinely move data files and documents
> files between formats and programs.

What method are you using to do the conversion between Word and EZ? We
have a need to do the same thing and would like to find something to do
it rather than have to work it out ourselves.

Has anyone else got this problem? Has anyone written a convertor or have
a simple way of doing it?

Graham Dumpleton. (grahamd@otc.otca.oz.au)
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 31-Jul-90 Re: Why isn't ATK more 
wide.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1307+0)}


\quotation{1.  Install my "eatmail" program, which simply transfers mail from 
/usr/spool/mail/nsb into separate files in your Mailbox directory.  I sent 
this to the ITC, but I don't know if they're putting it in a patch or not.  If 
not, I can send you a copy privately.  It doesn't use dynamic loading, etc., 
and hence should be pretty easy to compile anywhere.

}
We have the Rand Message Handling System (more commonly known as just MH) 
 running on our machines and their \italic{inc} program does essentially the 
same thing as \italic{eatmail}.


\quotation{2.  Set up your sites AndrewSetup file with a line like the 
following:

}
\quotation{AMS_MailCollectionCommand: rsh your-mail-mainframe 
/full/path/to/eatmail

}
We just then have


AMS_MailCollectionCommand: inc


in the AndrewSetup file.


If you also run \italic{popd} then this will even work if you are logged into 
a machine which is not your maildrop machine.



One last thing which we have to do to get this all to work is the following


cd ~

ln -s .Mail/inbox Mailbox


where .Mail is the directory where MH puts your mail. This is usually Mail but 
can be redefined in your .mh_profile as we have; ie: we have the following in 
our .mh_profile


Path: .Mail



Also we have a number of users who in general prefer to use MH most of the 
time (NOTE: they will not use cui), and so rather than do as mentioned above; 
which would result in all mail dissappearing into Andrew, we do the following:


folder +mmm	# creates new folder in MH

cd ~

ln -s .Mail/mmm Mailbox


This way, when they get some multimedia mail they can refile it into the mmm 
folder and then run messages.



Graham Dumpleton. (grahamd@otc.otca.oz.au)\
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I've gotten several requests for the "eatmail" program I referenced in a
previous post.  Since it hasn't yet made it onto a patch, and since it
is very short, I thought I'd post it here.  You only need two files,
Imakefile and eatmail.c -- I put them in a directory called
contrib/eatmail.

The Imakefile looks like this:

LOCALINCLUDES = -I${BASEDIR}/include/ams

OBJS		=	eatmail.o

LIBS= \
	${BASEDIR}/lib/libmail.a \
	${BASEDIR}/lib/liberrors.a \
	${UTILLIB}

NormalObjectRule()

ProgramTarget(eatmail, ${OBJS}, ${LIBS} , )

DependTarget()

And eatmail.c looks like this:

/* This includes most of the code from ams/libs/ms/cvtold.c, so a better
eventual solution would be to modularize it; unfortunately, the biggest
differences are things I was able to remove to shrink the size of the
eatmail binary, but which are really needed by the message server...   */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/param.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <andrewos.h> /* sys/types.h sys/file.h sys/time.h */
#include <system.h>
/* #include <ms.h> */
#include <mserrno.h>
#include <mailconf.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <parseadd.h>
#include <pwd.h>

extern char *malloc(), *index();
extern int errno;
extern FILE *fopen();
extern char *getenv(), *getprofile();
char home[1+MAXPATHLEN];

long mserrcode;

#undef AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE
#define AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(x,y,z) return(-1);

main() {
    char SpoolFileName[1 + MAXPATHLEN], SourceDir[1+MAXPATHLEN], *SpoolFile;
    int numfound = 0, errcode;
    struct passwd *pswd;

    CheckAMSConfiguration();
    pswd = getpwuid(getuid());
    if (!pswd) {
	fprintf(stderr, "Cannot get your password file entry\n");
	exit(-1);
    }
    strcpy(home, pswd->pw_dir);
    SpoolFile = getenv("MAIL");
    if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile	== '\0') SpoolFile =
getprofile("mailboxfile");
    if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile == '\0') {
	sprintf(SpoolFileName, "%s/%s", AMS_MailBoxPrefix, pswd->pw_name);
    } else {
	strcpy(SpoolFileName, SpoolFile);
    }
    sprintf(SourceDir, "%s/Mailbox", home);
    if (ConvertIncomingMail(SpoolFileName, SourceDir, &numfound)) {
	fprintf(stderr, "Error:  Could not move mail from %s to %s\n",
SpoolFileName, SourceDir);
	exit(-1);
    }
    exit(0);
}


/*
  * Remove the mail lock, and note that we no longer
  * have it locked.
  */
static int rmlock(name, lockFD)
char name[]; int lockFD;
{
    struct stat statb;

    if (lockFD >= 0) close(lockFD);
    if (stat(name, &statb) < 0)
	return(-1);
    if ((statb.st_mode & S_IFMT) != S_IFREG) {
	errno = EISDIR;
	return(-1);
    }
    if (unlink(name)) {
#if SY_B4x != 0
	return(truncate(name, 0));
#else /* SY_B4x */
	return 0;
#endif /* SY_B4x */
    }
    return(0);
}

/*
 * Lock the specified mail file by setting the file mailfile.lock.
 * We must, of course, be careful to rmlock the lock file by a call
 * to unlock before we stop.  The algorithm used here is to see if
 * the lock exists, and if it does, return an error.
 *
 * Attempt to set the lock by creating the temporary file,
 * then doing a link/unlink.  If it fails, return -1 else 0
 */
static int lock(file, lockedFile, lockedFDp)
char *file, *lockedFile; int *lockedFDp;
{
    register int f, g;
    char	locktmp[1+MAXPATHLEN];	    /* Usable lock temporary */
    char *s;

    s = rindex(file, '/');
    if (*s != '/') return -1;
    strcpy(lockedFile, SpoolMailLockDir);
    strcat(lockedFile, s);
    strcat(lockedFile, ".lock");
    g = open(lockedFile, osi_O_READLOCK, 0);
    if (g < 0) return -1;
    if (osi_ExclusiveLockNoBlock(g) != 0) {
	close(g);
	return -1;
    }
    strcpy(locktmp, SpoolMailLockTemp);
    mktemp(locktmp);
    rmlock(locktmp, -1);
    f = creat(locktmp, 0);
    if (f < 0) {
	close(g);
	return(-1);
    }
    close(f);
    if (link(locktmp, lockedFile) < 0) {
	rmlock(locktmp, g);
	return(-1);
    }
    rmlock(locktmp, -1);
    *lockedFDp = g;
    return(0);
}

static int SetHoldFromFile(fname, holdP)
char *fname; int *holdP;
{/* Set or unset ``hold'' as in the file ``fname''. */
    FILE *fp;
    char InBuf[300];
    char *sp, *scmd;
    int DoSet, errsave;

    errno = 0;
    fp = fopen(fname, "r");
    if (fp == NULL) {
	if (errno == ENOENT) return 0;
	if (errno == 0) errno = ENOMEM;
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_FOPEN, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    for (;;) {
      NextLine:
	sp = fgets(InBuf, sizeof(InBuf), fp);
	if (sp == NULL) break;
	while (*sp != '\0' && isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	scmd = sp;
	while (*sp != '\0' && !isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	*sp++ = '\0';
	if (strcmp(scmd, "set") == 0) DoSet = 1;
	else if (strcmp(scmd, "unset") == 0) DoSet = 0;
	else continue;
	for (;;) {
	    while (*sp != '\0' && isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	    if (*sp == '\0') goto NextLine;
	    scmd = sp;
	    while (*sp != '\0' && !isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	    *sp++ = '\0';
	    if (strcmp(scmd, "hold") == 0) *holdP = DoSet;
	}
    }
    if (ferror(fp)) {
	errsave = errno;
	(void) fclose(fp);
	if (errsave == 0) errsave = ENOMEM;
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_READ, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    (void) fclose(fp);
}

static int CheckMailrcHold()
{/* Check whether the ~/.mailrc or /usr/lib/Mail.rc file has set the
``hold'' variable; return 0 if it isn't set, or an mserrcode. */
    static int HoldVal = -1;
    int RC, TempVal;
    char MyMailrc[1+MAXPATHLEN];

    if (HoldVal >= 0) return HoldVal;
    TempVal = 0;
    RC = SetHoldFromFile("/usr/lib/Mail.rc", &TempVal);
    if (RC != 0) return RC;
    sprintf(MyMailrc, "%s/.mailrc", home);
    RC = SetHoldFromFile(MyMailrc, &TempVal);
    if (RC != 0) return RC;
    HoldVal = TempVal;	/* Got it all right. */
    if (HoldVal != 0) {
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(EMSHOLDSET, EIN_PARAMCHECK, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    return 0;
}

#define FALSE 0
#define TRUE 1
#define buffsize 1024
#define MAXTRIES 25

int ConvertIncomingMail(MailSpoolFile, MailDir, FilesReadIn)
char *MailSpoolFile, *MailDir;
int *FilesReadIn;
{
    FILE *fp;
    int		wfd = 0, i, errsave, tfd, AnyWrittenToThisOne, LockFD;
    short FileOpen, ReadyToStartAgain;
    struct stat statbuf;
    char	buffer[buffsize], FName[1+MAXPATHLEN], CurLock[1+MAXPATHLEN];

    *FilesReadIn = 0;
    if ((stat(MailDir, &statbuf)) == -1){
	 if (errno == ENOENT) {
	     return(0);
	 }
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_STAT, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    if ((stat(MailSpoolFile, &statbuf)) == -1){
	if (errno == ENOENT) {
	    return(0);
	}
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_STAT, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    if (statbuf.st_size <= 0){
	return(0);
    }
    errsave = CheckMailrcHold();
    if (errsave != 0) return(errsave);
    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking && (lock(MailSpoolFile, CurLock,
&LockFD)) != 0){
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_UCBMAILLOCK, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    if ((fp = fopen(MailSpoolFile, "r")) == NULL){
	if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_OPEN, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    FileOpen = FALSE;
    ReadyToStartAgain = 0;
    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 0;
    while (TRUE) {
	if (fgets(buffer, buffsize, fp) == NULL) {
	    errsave = errno;
	    if (feof(fp)) break; /* Done reading */
	    fclose(fp);
	    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
	    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_READ, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	}
	if (ReadyToStartAgain && FileOpen && (AMS_DemandSeparatingCharacter ||
IsNewFrom(buffer)) && AnyWrittenToThisOne) {
	    (*FilesReadIn)++;
	    if (vclose(wfd)) {
		fclose(fp);
		if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
		AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_VCLOSE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	    }
	    FileOpen = FALSE;
	}
	if (!FileOpen){
	    for (i=0; i<MAXTRIES; ++i) {
		sprintf(FName, "%s/%s", MailDir, ams_genid(1));
		wfd = open(FName, O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_WRONLY, 0600);
		if (wfd < 0) continue;
		if (osi_ExclusiveLockNoBlock(wfd)) {
		    errsave = errno;
		    close(wfd);
		    if (errsave == EWOULDBLOCK) {
			continue;
		    }
		    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_FLOCK, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
		}
		break; /* flock succeeded */
	    }
	    if (wfd < 0) {
		errsave = errno;
		fclose(fp);
		if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
		AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_VMOPEN, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	    }
	    FileOpen = TRUE;
	    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 0;
	}
	if (AMS_DemandSeparatingCharacter) {
	    if ((buffer[0] == AMS_SeparatingCharacter) && (AnyWrittenToThisOne
!= 0)) {
		ReadyToStartAgain = 1;
	    } else {
		writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer));
		AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;
		ReadyToStartAgain = 0;
	    }
	} else {
	    ReadyToStartAgain = (buffer[0] == '\n') ? 1 : 0;
	    writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer));
	    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;
	}
    }
    if (FileOpen){
	(*FilesReadIn)++;
	if (vclose(wfd)) {
	    errsave = errno;
	    fclose(fp);
	    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
	    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_VCLOSE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	}
    }
    if ((tfd = creat(MailSpoolFile, 666)) < 0){
	fprintf(stderr, "Could not Zero-out %s (%d)...continuing anyway",
MailSpoolFile, errno);
    } else {
	close(tfd); /* Just creating it, that's all */
    }
    fclose(fp);
    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
    return(0);
}

static int IsNewFrom(line)
char *line;
{
    PARSED_ADDRESS *ListHead = NULL;
    struct tm TmBuf;
    char *addr, *date, *space;

    /* First pass, very simple */
    if (strncmp(line, "From", 4)) {
	return(0);
    }
    if (line[4] != ' ' && (!AMS_AllowColonInSeparatingFrom || line[4] !=
':')) return(0);
    addr = index(line, ' ');
    if (!addr) return(0);
    while (*addr && isspace(*addr)) ++addr;
    if (!*addr) return(0);
    space = index(addr, ' ');
    if (!space) return(0);
    *space = '\0';
    date = space+1;
    if (AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom && *addr != '@' &&
ParseAddressList(addr, &ListHead) != PA_OK) {
	*space = ' ';
	return(0);
    }
    if (ListHead) FreeAddressList(ListHead);
    *space = ' ';
/*    if (AMS_CheckDateInSeparatingFrom && parsedateheader(date, &TmBuf,
1, 1, 1, 0)) return(0); */
    if (AMS_CheckDateInSeparatingFrom) {
	fprintf(stderr, "Can't check date in separating from\n");
	return(-1);
    }
    return(1);
}

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From: hmayer@venus.uucp (Hans J. Mayer)
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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: A bug - but where?


Bug in Andrew ??? X11R4 Server ??? or data swap in transmission or between
architectures ???

Ok, I'll admit my setup is strange but there's a real nice bug exhibited:

Andrew from R4 tapes with patches 1-5
X11R4 patchlevel 14
Amsdemo running on sun3 diplaying demo-message #19 on sun386i

Displaying the message on a sun3 server is ok.

Besides the screwed looking picture - if I scroll up there remains some garbage
on the bottom of the message window (maybe 6-10 pixel lines). Garbage shows up
in other messages too, so it's not related to #19.

I'll append a uuencoded and compressed xwd dump.

Any help appreciated. Thanks - Hans (mayer@gmdzi.gmd.de)

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German National Research Center for Computer Science (GMD)
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To: Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com>
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 31-Jul-90 Re: Why isn't 
ATK more wide.. Bill Janssen@parc.xerox. (216)}


\quotation{Perhaps what we need is another version of `xbiff' called 
`andybiff'} \quotation{which will look at Mailbox rather than 
/usr/spool/mail/$USER.  Then you} \quotation{could have `eatmail' running as a 
daemon without worrying about it.

}
Well, you sort of already have this -- the Andrew Console program when you 
tell it you're running AMDS checks this way, of course.  The trick is to fool 
it into thinking that.  Unfortunately, it now checks precisely whether or not 
you're running AMDS to make that determination.  If you added a preference to 
tell console "check Mailbox even though I'm not running AMDS" then you'd get 
the right mail checking behavior.  


The fix should be very easy.  Right \italic{before} line 106 of 
atk/console/cmd/mailmon.c (which says "SetMailEnv()") you could add a line 
something like this (this is untested):


if (UseNonAndrewMail) UseNonAndrewMail = 
 environ_GetProfileSwitch("console.alwayscheckmailboxdir", FALSE);


I think that such a single line change would make console work in this 
situation, but as I said I haven't tested it.  -- Nathaniel

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The fonts alias file posted by Bill Cattey will be incorporated into the file 
I mentioned in my previous post (andrew/xmkfontd/non-andrew.fonts.alias) for 
patch 6.


Thanks Bill,

-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group, ITC

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Craig Everhart kindly & correctly pointed out that the code in eatmail was 
copied from cvtold.c BEFORE the recent discovery of the bug in that code where 
it wasn't checking the results of writeall().  So here's a patch for 
eatmail.c, already.  In eatmail.c, lines 273-285 currently look like this:


\typewriter{\smaller{\smaller{	if (AMS_DemandSeparatingCharacter) \{

	    if ((buffer[0] == AMS_SeparatingCharacter) && (AnyWrittenToThisOne != 0)) 
\{

		ReadyToStartAgain = 1;

	    \} else \{

		writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer));

		AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;

		ReadyToStartAgain = 0;

	    \}

	\} else \{

	    ReadyToStartAgain = (buffer[0] == '\\n') ? 1 : 0;

	    writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer));

	    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;

	\}

    \}

}}}
Replace them with the following, somewhat safer code, which is identical but 
checks the return from writeall():


\smaller{\smaller{\typewriter{	if (AMS_DemandSeparatingCharacter) \{

	    if ((buffer[0] == AMS_SeparatingCharacter) && (AnyWrittenToThisOne != 0)) 
\{

		ReadyToStartAgain = 1;

	    \} else \{

		if (writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer)) != strlen(buffer)) \{

		    errsave = errno;

		    close(wfd);

		    fclose(fp);

		    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_WRITE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);

		\}

		AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;

		ReadyToStartAgain = 0;

	    \}

	\} else \{

	    ReadyToStartAgain = (buffer[0] == '\\n') ? 1 : 0;

	    if (writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer)) != strlen(buffer)) \{

		errsave = errno;

		close(wfd);

		fclose(fp);

		AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_WRITE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);

	    \}

	    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;

	\}

}}}
Sorry for the mistake, which just goes to prove that the comment at the top of 
the file is correct -- it really should be modularized to use the same code 
that cvtold uses!  -- Nathaniel

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Subject: Andrew on MacX

Thanks for all the responses to my previous note about how to get andrew
fonts into bdf form.  I now can load the fonts into MacX.

The one thing I haven't been able to get working is the cursor font.  I
can see it from the MacX fonts window, but somehow Andrew and the cursor
font don't make a connection. Instead, when I move the cursor over an
andrew window, I just see a letter in outline font for the mouse cursor.

Anyone know what the trick is?

Also, does anyone know if there's a 3-button mouse available for the mac?

Thanks

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From: uccba!mead!gordon@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Gordon Edwards)
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Pardon me if this is an old issue.

We recently received OpenWindows from Sun (I am running on a Sun-3/80).  
OpenWindows does some really creative things with Andrew (particularly with
cursors).  I have found Andrew to be an excellent set of tools (particullarly
Ez and Console) and  I don't want to give them up.

Does anyone use Andrew with OpenWindows (V2.0)?  And, how did you get the 
fonts to work correctly?

Thanks.

--
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I've just heard from people inside DEC that
/usr/lib/libc_G0.a
and
/usr/lib/libm_G0.a
are included in the binary release of Ultrix 4.0.  This version of
Ultrix is already in the hands of DECstation 5000PX customers, and will
begin appearing in the hands of other customers in a week or two.

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Hello,



Is there a limit on the number of total insets that can be contained in a text 
object?  


From my current experience, there can only be:


\center{\bold{	128


}}insets in any one given text object!  If I place one most inset, Andrew does 
the famous "Segmentation fault."  This is very disappointing so please someone 
out there could you prove that this is not so.  Please!  


				Scott

				\smaller{hassan@informatics.wustl.edu

				Medical Informatics

				Department of Internal Medicine

				Washington University

				St. Louis, MO   63130

				(314) 362-3422

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Date: 1 Aug 90 09:12:35 GMT
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In article <Mag6r4u00Vt108m2Fa@andrew.cmu.edu>, tpn+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Tom Neuendorffer) writes:
>> Wouldn't another *roff clone work as well?  How's Transcript required?

We use ditroff and the jetroff package (which is freely available)
to print on HP Laserjets from Andrew with no problems.

By default, jetroff uses the Tex fonts, which do not match well
with the internal Andrew fonts, but it is not difficult to
replace them with HP's own soft fonts, which do give highly
satisfactory results.

This method does not allow you to print raster or zip images,
which is a nuisance, since all the pretty diagrams in help documents etc.,
must be dumped directly from the screen display.  I have not really looked
at it, but it might be possible to convert the postscript bit images into
Laserjet images (they are after all mostly just bitmaps), and then
pass them through jetroff.  This would then provide another printing
mechanism for those without ready access to postscript printers.

Martin Beer,
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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
[...]
> Can anyone provide any helpful hints as to how to go about making Andrew
> work on a binary distribution of the Dec 3100 version of Ultrix? 
> Thanks.  -- Nathaniel

Call up your DEC sales office and politely explain that you are from
Bellcore and that you would like to compile Andrew on your DECstation 3100.
Be sure to make it clear to them that if Andrew does not work, Bellcore
will never ever buy another piece of equipment from DEC.

Seriously though, I hear that Ultrix 4.0 will ship with -G0 libraries.
Perhaps things do get better every great once in a while...

Sincerely,
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Subject: ez and GNUemacs.

Some time ago, in this newsgroup, Nathaniel Borenstein claimed that ez
predates GNUemacs. As the original author of ez, I can see no way of
justifying such a statement. I clearly remember using GNUemacs before
writing the ez file commands. The Visit File behavior of ez is stolen from
GNUemacs.

Arguments that BX, edittext, and xyzzy were out earlier are irrelevant in
that there are many earlier versions of emacs as well.

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Recently there's been some discussion on how to use the Andrew mailers
with systems that don't use AMDS.  We've got the opposite problem
here.

We like the fuzzy name matching provided by WP, and the reliability
and convenience of AMDS, but convincing everybody to use the Andrew
user interfaces just isn't practical--people are too attached to their
own favorites.  Has anybody dealt with this problem?

We're thinking of writing a program which collects mail from ~/Mailbox
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then be a (relatively) easy task to modify the existing mailers to
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is the opposite of eatmail; should it be called regurgitatemail?)

Also, it would be nice to keep our news tree in AMS format, for people
who do use the Andrew mailers.  Most newsreaders nowadays use NNTP, so
we could support those newsreaders by writing an NNTP daemon.

Has anybody written either of these programs?  Any suggestions or
comments?

Thank you.

Carl Witty
cwitty@cs.stanford.edu

(P.S.  I discovered why the Andrew dynamic loading wasn't working for
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Gordon Edwards@tut.cis.o (630)}



\quotation{Does anyone use Andrew with OpenWindows (V2.0)?  And, how did you 
get the 

}\quotation{fonts to work correctly?

}

We don't use OpenWindows regularly but I did convert the Andrew fonts to 
OpenWindows fonts.


Firstly you have to start from bdf fonts; ie. convert Andrew fonts to bdf 
fonts. Then use the OpenWindows program called convertfont to convert the bdf 
fonts to OpenWindows fonts, how to do this is described in the manual page for 
the program. Now this gives you a set of OpenWindows fonts, but you still need 
to do an equivalent of a mkfontdir, the only problem is that they do not seem 
to supply a program to do it; or I couldn't find one. Anyway after a bit of 
mucking around I found that the following worked.


cat fonts.dir | awk '\{printf("/%s /%s _FontDirectorySYN\\n",$2, $1) \}' > 
Compat.list

cat fonts.alias | awk '\{printf("/%s /%s _FontDirectorySYN\\n",$1,$2) \}' > 
Synonyms.list

ed Compat.list << !

1d

w

q

!

/usr/local/openwin/bin/bldfamily


Where fonts.dir and fonts.alias came from running mkfontdir on the snf files 
used by a MIT X server.


We put all the resulting fonts and the list files in /usr/andrew/XNeWSfonts 
and do a


xset +fp /usr/andrew/XNeWSfonts


before running any Andrew programs.


One other thing I noticed was that we couldn't use twm as a window manager as 
the menus wouldn't come up for Andrew applications, instead we use olwm and 
specify the following resources for it


OpenWindows.SetInput:           followmouse

OpenWindows.FocusLenience:      true


Hope this info is of use.


Graham Dumpleton. (grahamd@otc.otca.oz.au)

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I was also unable to get Andrew to look good under OpenWIndows.  I have
heard that Andrew has been used by various vendors as a "stress test"
for their X servers, because it does things that are legitimate but not
done by non-Andrew applications.  Apparently Sun didn't use Andrew as a
stress test for Open Windows -- more's the pity.  My guess, intuition,
or whatever, is that the problems are bugs in OpenWindows, and should be
reported to Sun, for whatever good that will do...
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 1-Aug-90 ez and 
GNUemacs. Zalman Stern@andrew.cmu. (639)}


\quotation{Some time ago, in this newsgroup, Nathaniel Borenstein claimed that 
ez }\quotation{predates GNUemacs. As the original author of ez, I can see no 
way of }\quotation{justifying such a statement. I clearly remember using 
GNUemacs before }\quotation{writing the ez file commands. The Visit File 
behavior of ez is stolen from }\quotation{GNUemacs.

}
\quotation{Arguments that BX, edittext, and xyzzy were out earlier are 
irrelevant in }\quotation{that there are many earlier versions of emacs as 
well.

}
Well, those are the arguments I would make, but I think they are relevant 
because it was my impression that what you're calling ez was an evolutionary 
development, not a whole new program.  I believe there is still code in ez 
that is recognizably code from the original edittext and xyzzy; certainly 
there is a lot left over from bx.  Gnumacs, on the other hand, was a complete 
rewrite, as I understand it, in order to follow the GNU philosophy of software 
unencumbered by any previous copyright.


However, I recognize that this is a pointless thing to quibble about.  The 
real point of the discussion is that complaining that Andrew is not Gnumacs 
compatible is silly, becuase Gnumacs was not relevant during its design.  Even 
if you view ez as a completely new program, which I don't, it was still 
closely following the design that was established with the previous Andrew 
editors.

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\quotation{Also, it would be nice to keep our news tree in AMS format, for 
people} \quotation{who do use the Andrew mailers.  Most newsreaders nowadays 
use NNTP, so} \quotation{we could support those newsreaders by writing an NNTP 
daemon.

}
\quotation{Has anybody written either of these programs?  Any suggestions or} 
c\quotation{omments?

}
This program is called "nntppoll" and is included in the Andrew distribution.


Also of possible interest to heterogeneous sites with Andrew users:  I will 
also soon be making public a set of patches that will make it possible to read 
Andrew-format multimedia mail with any common UNIX mail reader running under 
X11	.  If you're running one of these mail readers (which include Berkeley 
mail, MH, XMH, Elm, 2 Gnumacs mailers, and others) and you read a 
"Content-type: X-BE2" (Andrew format) message, they will open up an ez window 
to show you the message in full multimedia glory.  These patches (typically 20 
to 30 lines of code for each mail reader, always localized to a single source 
file) are currently being tested at Bellcore.  After they've been tested & the 
patch document clears Bellcore's legal department, I'll publish it for anyone 
who might find it useful.

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I daresay that's an interesting problem.


Interfacing AMDS with MH shouldn't be difficult, should it?  Where does MH 
expect to get its mail--is it still /usr/spool/mail/userid, or does it expect 
that mail can arrive as separate messages in $HOME/some-directory?  Maybe you 
could set your site so that its default location for AMDS-delivered mail is 
$HOME/Mail/inbox (or whatever).  You should be able to do this by changing the 
AndrewSetup (or mailconf.c) variable ``MailboxName''.  Is that sufficient?


Nathaniel already mentioned nntppoll/nns as a mechanism for maintaining 
NetNews in a tree of AMDS folders.


What else?


		Craig



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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
> Well, those are the arguments I would make, but I think they are
> relevant because it was my impression that what you're calling ez was an
> evolutionary development, not a whole new program.  I believe there is
> still code in ez that is recognizably code from the original edittext
> and xyzzy; certainly there is a lot left over from bx.  Gnumacs, on the
> other hand, was a complete rewrite, as I understand it, in order to
> follow the GNU philosophy of software unencumbered by any previous
> copyright.

Apparently, you've never looked too closely at the code for gnu-emacs...

-Miles
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In article <Mai1Eim0M2YtA49Wwd@thumper.bellcore.com> nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) writes:
   Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 2-Aug-90 Interfacing WP, AMDS with
   o.. Carl Witty@eos.arc.nasa. (1262)

   > Also, it would be nice to keep our news tree in AMS format, for
   > people who do use the Andrew mailers.  Most newsreaders nowadays
   > use NNTP, so we could support those newsreaders by writing an
   > NNTP daemon.

   > Has anybody written either of these programs?  Any suggestions or
   > comments?

   This program is called "nntppoll" and is included in the Andrew
   distribution.

As far as I can tell, nntppoll is an NNTP client that talks to an NNTP
server and pulls across all the news that's newer than a given date,
and is used to keep a news tree in AMS format.  That's not the
question I asked.

I want an NNTP *server*, that runs on an AFS machine with the news
tree under AFS, which would accept connections from arbitrary NNTP
clients (rrn, Gnews, GNUS, nn, etc.)

Thanks for your help,

Carl Witty
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In article <oai2m4=0BwwO9BgFAs@transarc.com> Craig_Everhart@TRANSARC.COM writes:
   Interfacing AMDS with MH shouldn't be difficult, should it?  Where does
   MH expect to get its mail--is it still /usr/spool/mail/userid, or does
   it expect that mail can arrive as separate messages in
   $HOME/some-directory?  Maybe you could set your site so that its default
   location for AMDS-delivered mail is $HOME/Mail/inbox (or whatever).  You
   should be able to do this by changing the AndrewSetup (or mailconf.c)
   variable ``MailboxName''.  Is that sufficient?

No, MH wants all its mail to be in one file (although the maildrop can
be one file in the user's home directory.)  Even if MH could be made
to work relatively easily, that still leaves all the other mailers
that people here use and don't want to change from.

   Nathaniel already mentioned nntppoll/nns as a mechanism for maintaining
   NetNews in a tree of AMDS folders.

Yes; but I want NNTP clients and messageserver clients to be able to
access the same news tree, which (I believe) isn't currently
supported.  (There is an option to allow the messageserver to access
hierarchies that aren't in AMS format, but it's marked as "not
well-tested".  Besides, the AMS format is richer, it seems, than the
/usr/spool/news format, so I'd like to use it.)

Thank you,

Carl Witty
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\quotation{(There is an option to allow the messageserver to access

}\quotation{hierarchies that aren't in AMS format, but it's marked as "not

}\quotation{well-tested". }\quotation{)

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This seems to work just fine.  The headache is in maintaining the index files 
in the usenet news directories, and adding index files to new newsgroups.


Bill

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From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Eatmail redux:  mbox-format conversion!

I've produced and installed yet another version of eatmail.  I believe
it preserves the earlier enhancements but it adds a
new bit of functionality.  If you give it two non-switch arguments, it
treats them as the spool file name and mailbox directory name,
respectively, instead of using /usr/spool/mail/uid and ~uid/Mailbox. 
Why would you want this feature?  Because it lets you easily convert
mail that an older mailer had stored in mbox format into AMS-format
mail.  Here's the algorithm:

1.  Assume you have a file that contains a set of messages that
constituted a folder for PCS readmail, imail, or Berkeley mail, or any
other mail reader which uses the mbox format.  This file, we'll say, is
called /u/foo/foldername.

2.  Create an AMS folder with the right name.  The easiest way to do
this is to run the cui program and type "create foldername" but you can
also do it with the "Create Folder" menu in Messages if you've turned on
the right option.

3.  Make a copy of the old folder.  This is a good precaution because
eatmail consumes the files you point it at.  "cp /u/foo/foldername
/u/foo/foldername2".

3.  Run eatmail with the command "eatmail /u/foo/foldername2
~/.MESSAGES/foldername".  This will create a new file in the latter
directory for each piece of mail.  (This latter directory was created as
the AMS folder.)

4.  Run cui and type "reconstruct foldername".  This will rebuild the
AMS directory/index for the folder you've just augmented by hand.  CUI
will ask you how to sort the folder entries -- either answer should be
fine in this case.

5.  Use Messages (or any other AMS interface) to verify that all looks
well with the new folder.  If you're satisfied, delete your
/u/foo/foldername file that you have preserved as a backup in case
something went wrong.

If you've been sitting on some old mbox-format files, unsure what to do
with them, this is what you've been waiting for -- converting them to
AMS is now quite easy, I believe.  Have fun, and let me know if there
are any problems.  The new version of eatmail.c follows below.  -- Nathaniel

/* This includes most of the code from ams/libs/ms/cvtold.c  */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/param.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <andrewos.h> /* sys/types.h sys/file.h sys/time.h */
#include <system.h>
/* #include <ms.h> */
#include <mserrno.h>
#include <mailconf.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <parseadd.h>
#include <pwd.h>
/* for completeness */


extern char *malloc(), *index();
extern int errno;
extern FILE *fopen();
extern char *getenv(), *getprofile();
extern int getopt(), open(), close(), write();
extern char *ctime();

char home[1+MAXPATHLEN];

long mserrcode;

#undef AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE
#define AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(x,y,z) return(-1);
#define CTIME_LEN 25		/* one less than actual size to avoid NULL */

main(argc, argv)
int	argc;
char  **argv;
{
    char SpoolFileName[1 + MAXPATHLEN], SourceDir[1+MAXPATHLEN],
*SpoolFile = NULL, *MailboxDir = NULL;
    int numfound = 0, errcode;
    struct passwd *pswd;
    int	rv, fd;
    long time_secs;		/* from time (3) */
    char *logfile = NULL;

    CheckAMSConfiguration();
    pswd = getpwuid(getuid());
    if (!pswd) {
	fprintf(stderr, "Cannot get your password file entry\n");
	exit(-1);
    }
    while (argc > 1) {
	if (argv[1][0] == '-') {
	    if (argv[1][1] == 'l') {
		logfile = &argv[1][2];
		if (*logfile == ':') ++logfile;
	    } else {
		fprintf(stderr, "Usage:\teatmail [ -l logfile] [spoolfile] [mailboxfile]\n");
		exit(-1);
	    }
	} else {
	    if (!SpoolFile) {
		SpoolFile = argv[1];
	    } else if (!MailboxDir) {
		MailboxDir = argv[1];
	    } else {
		fprintf(stderr, "Usage:\teatmail [ -l logfile] [spoolfile] [mailboxfile]\n");
		exit(-1);
	    }
	}
	++argv;
	--argc;
    }

    strcpy(home, pswd->pw_dir);
    if (SpoolFile == NULL) SpoolFile = getenv("MAIL");
    if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile	== '\0') SpoolFile =
getprofile("mailboxfile");
    if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile == '\0') {
	sprintf(SpoolFileName, "%s/%s", AMS_MailBoxPrefix, pswd->pw_name);
    } else {
	strcpy(SpoolFileName, SpoolFile);
    }
    if (MailboxDir) {
	strcpy(SourceDir, MailboxDir);
    } else {
	sprintf(SourceDir, "%s/Mailbox", home);
    }
    if (ConvertIncomingMail(SpoolFileName, SourceDir, &numfound)) {
	fprintf(stderr, "Error:  Could not move mail from %s to %s\n",
SpoolFileName, SourceDir);
	exit(-1);
    } else if (numfound > 0) {
	/* successfully moved some messages, log it in some file */
	if (logfile) {
	    fd = open(logfile, O_WRONLY | O_APPEND | O_CREAT, 0644);
	    if (fd >= 0) {
		(void) time(&time_secs);
		if (write(fd, ctime(&time_secs), CTIME_LEN) != CTIME_LEN) {
		    perror("eatmail: logfile write:");
		}
		close(fd);
	    } else {
		perror("eatmail: logfile open:");
	    }
	}
    }
    exit(0);
}


/*
  * Remove the mail lock, and note that we no longer
  * have it locked.
  */
static int rmlock(name, lockFD)
char name[]; int lockFD;
{
    struct stat statb;

    if (lockFD >= 0) close(lockFD);
    if (stat(name, &statb) < 0)
	return(-1);
    if ((statb.st_mode & S_IFMT) != S_IFREG) {
	errno = EISDIR;
	return(-1);
    }
    if (unlink(name)) {
#if SY_B4x != 0
	return(truncate(name, 0));
#else /* SY_B4x */
	return 0;
#endif /* SY_B4x */
    }
    return(0);
}

/*
 * Lock the specified mail file by setting the file mailfile.lock.
 * We must, of course, be careful to rmlock the lock file by a call
 * to unlock before we stop.  The algorithm used here is to see if
 * the lock exists, and if it does, return an error.
 *
 * Attempt to set the lock by creating the temporary file,
 * then doing a link/unlink.  If it fails, return -1 else 0
 */
static int lock(file, lockedFile, lockedFDp)
char *file, *lockedFile; int *lockedFDp;
{
    register int f, g;
    char	locktmp[1+MAXPATHLEN];	    /* Usable lock temporary */
    char *s;

    s = rindex(file, '/');
    if (*s != '/') return -1;
    strcpy(lockedFile, SpoolMailLockDir);
    strcat(lockedFile, s);
    strcat(lockedFile, ".lock");
    g = open(lockedFile, osi_O_READLOCK, 0);
    if (g < 0) return -1;
    if (osi_ExclusiveLockNoBlock(g) != 0) {
	close(g);
	return -1;
    }
    strcpy(locktmp, SpoolMailLockTemp);
    mktemp(locktmp);
    rmlock(locktmp, -1);
    f = creat(locktmp, 0);
    if (f < 0) {
	close(g);
	return(-1);
    }
    close(f);
    if (link(locktmp, lockedFile) < 0) {
	rmlock(locktmp, g);
	return(-1);
    }
    rmlock(locktmp, -1);
    *lockedFDp = g;
    return(0);
}

static int SetHoldFromFile(fname, holdP)
char *fname; int *holdP;
{/* Set or unset ``hold'' as in the file ``fname''. */
    FILE *fp;
    char InBuf[300];
    char *sp, *scmd;
    int DoSet, errsave;

    errno = 0;
    fp = fopen(fname, "r");
    if (fp == NULL) {
	if (errno == ENOENT) return 0;
	if (errno == 0) errno = ENOMEM;
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_FOPEN, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    for (;;) {
      NextLine:
	sp = fgets(InBuf, sizeof(InBuf), fp);
	if (sp == NULL) break;
	while (*sp != '\0' && isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	scmd = sp;
	while (*sp != '\0' && !isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	*sp++ = '\0';
	if (strcmp(scmd, "set") == 0) DoSet = 1;
	else if (strcmp(scmd, "unset") == 0) DoSet = 0;
	else continue;
	for (;;) {
	    while (*sp != '\0' && isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	    if (*sp == '\0') goto NextLine;
	    scmd = sp;
	    while (*sp != '\0' && !isspace(*sp)) ++sp;
	    *sp++ = '\0';
	    if (strcmp(scmd, "hold") == 0) *holdP = DoSet;
	}
    }
    if (ferror(fp)) {
	errsave = errno;
	(void) fclose(fp);
	if (errsave == 0) errsave = ENOMEM;
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_READ, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    (void) fclose(fp);
}

static int CheckMailrcHold()
{/* Check whether the ~/.mailrc or /usr/lib/Mail.rc file has set the
``hold'' variable; return 0 if it isn't set, or an mserrcode. */
    static int HoldVal = -1;
    int RC, TempVal;
    char MyMailrc[1+MAXPATHLEN];

    if (HoldVal >= 0) return HoldVal;
    TempVal = 0;
    RC = SetHoldFromFile("/usr/lib/Mail.rc", &TempVal);
    if (RC != 0) return RC;
    sprintf(MyMailrc, "%s/.mailrc", home);
    RC = SetHoldFromFile(MyMailrc, &TempVal);
    if (RC != 0) return RC;
    HoldVal = TempVal;	/* Got it all right. */
    if (HoldVal != 0) {
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(EMSHOLDSET, EIN_PARAMCHECK, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    return 0;
}

#define FALSE 0
#define TRUE 1
#define buffsize 1024
#define MAXTRIES 25

int ConvertIncomingMail(MailSpoolFile, MailDir, FilesReadIn)
char *MailSpoolFile, *MailDir;
int *FilesReadIn;
{
    FILE *fp;
    int		wfd = 0, i, errsave, tfd, AnyWrittenToThisOne, LockFD;
    short FileOpen, ReadyToStartAgain;
    struct stat statbuf;
    char	buffer[buffsize], FName[1+MAXPATHLEN], CurLock[1+MAXPATHLEN];

    *FilesReadIn = 0;
    if ((stat(MailDir, &statbuf)) == -1){
	 if (errno == ENOENT) {
	     return(0);
	 }
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_STAT, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    if ((stat(MailSpoolFile, &statbuf)) == -1){
	if (errno == ENOENT) {
	    return(0);
	}
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_STAT, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    if (statbuf.st_size <= 0){
	return(0);
    }
    errsave = CheckMailrcHold();
    if (errsave != 0) return(errsave);
    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking && (lock(MailSpoolFile, CurLock,
&LockFD)) != 0){
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_UCBMAILLOCK, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    if ((fp = fopen(MailSpoolFile, "r")) == NULL){
	if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
	AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_OPEN, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
    }
    FileOpen = FALSE;
    ReadyToStartAgain = 0;
    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 0;
    while (TRUE) {
	if (fgets(buffer, buffsize, fp) == NULL) {
	    errsave = errno;
	    if (feof(fp)) break; /* Done reading */
	    fclose(fp);
	    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
	    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_READ, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	}
	if (ReadyToStartAgain && FileOpen && (AMS_DemandSeparatingCharacter ||
IsNewFrom(buffer)) && AnyWrittenToThisOne) {
	    (*FilesReadIn)++;
	    if (vclose(wfd)) {
		fclose(fp);
		if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
		AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_VCLOSE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	    }
	    FileOpen = FALSE;
	}
	if (!FileOpen){
	    for (i=0; i<MAXTRIES; ++i) {
		sprintf(FName, "%s/%s", MailDir, ams_genid(1));
		wfd = open(FName, O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_WRONLY, 0600);
		if (wfd < 0) continue;
		if (osi_ExclusiveLockNoBlock(wfd)) {
		    errsave = errno;
		    close(wfd);
		    if (errsave == EWOULDBLOCK) {
			continue;
		    }
		    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_FLOCK, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
		}
		break; /* flock succeeded */
	    }
	    if (wfd < 0) {
		errsave = errno;
		fclose(fp);
		if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
		AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_VMOPEN, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	    }
	    FileOpen = TRUE;
	    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 0;
	}
	if (AMS_DemandSeparatingCharacter) {
	    if ((buffer[0] == AMS_SeparatingCharacter) && (AnyWrittenToThisOne
!= 0)) {
		ReadyToStartAgain = 1;
	    } else {
		if (writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer)) != strlen(buffer)) {
		    errsave = errno;
		    close(wfd);
		    fclose(fp);
		    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_WRITE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
		}
		AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;
		ReadyToStartAgain = 0;
	    }
	} else {
	    ReadyToStartAgain = (buffer[0] == '\n') ? 1 : 0;
	    if (writeall(wfd, buffer, strlen(buffer)) != strlen(buffer)) {
		errsave = errno;
		close(wfd);
		fclose(fp);
		AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_WRITE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	    }
	    AnyWrittenToThisOne = 1;
	}
    }
    if (FileOpen){
	(*FilesReadIn)++;
	if (vclose(wfd)) {
	    errsave = errno;
	    fclose(fp);
	    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
	    AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errsave, EIN_VCLOSE, EVIA_CONVERTINCOMING);
	}
    }
    if ((tfd = creat(MailSpoolFile, 666)) < 0){
	fprintf(stderr, "Could not Zero-out %s (%d)...continuing anyway",
MailSpoolFile, errno);
    } else {
	close(tfd); /* Just creating it, that's all */
    }
    fclose(fp);
    if (AMS_StrictStandaloneLocking) rmlock(CurLock, LockFD);
    return(0);
}

static int IsNewFrom(line)
char *line;
{
    PARSED_ADDRESS *ListHead = NULL;
    struct tm TmBuf;
    char *addr, *date, *space;

    /* First pass, very simple */
    if (strncmp(line, "From", 4)) {
	return(0);
    }
    if (line[4] != ' ' && (!AMS_AllowColonInSeparatingFrom || line[4] !=
':')) return(0);
    addr = index(line, ' ');
    if (!addr) return(0);
    while (*addr && isspace(*addr)) ++addr;
    if (!*addr) return(0);
    space = index(addr, ' ');
    if (!space) return(0);
    *space = '\0';
    date = space+1;
    if (AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom && *addr != '@' &&
ParseAddressList(addr, &ListHead) != PA_OK) {
	*space = ' ';
	return(0);
    }
    if (ListHead) FreeAddressList(ListHead);
    *space = ' ';
    return(1);
}
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Obviously I misunderstood Carl's question -- sorry abou that.  I don't know of 
any software that does what you want, though it's "just a small matter of 
programming"....


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 3-Aug-90 Re: Reading 
usenet News dir.. Bill Janssen@parc.xerox. (393+0)}


\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 2-Aug-90 Re: 
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\quotation{\quotation{(There is an option to allow the messageserver to access}} 
\quotation{\quotation{hierarchies that aren't in AMS format, but it's marked 
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\quotation{This seems to work just fine.  The headache is in maintaining the 
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Yeah, I believe what Bill means by "headache" here is "resource-intensive" -- 
in a previous post, he said that the daemon that updates these indices is just 
too expensive.  On thinking about it, I realized why:  it's using a general 
AMS feature that is overkill in this instance.  In particular, it uses the CUI 
scavenge command, which does the following:


In each directory it looks at, typically the whole news tree, the scavenge 
command will compare the names of all the "body" files with the ID's of all 
the messages listed in that directory's index file (.MS_MsgDir).  This is 
useful in the general case of scavenging directories after a file system 
crash, but is real overkill in the news case.  


In the news case, you could do things much more cheaply.  Basically, you could 
first stat the index file and then see if there are any body files that are 
newer than the index files, and only process those.  (In fact, if you stat the 
directory itself and it isn't more than a few milliseconds older than the 
index file, you can avoid statting any of the body files!)  Then you'd just 
augment the .MS_MsgDir structure with the new message information, without all 
the other cost of the scavenge operation.


The right way to implement this would be as a new CUI command, modeled on the 
scavenge command.  Alternately, it could be made an optional argument to the 
scavenge command, I suppose.  At any rate, it would make the daemon that 
updates the indices much more reasonable in its run-cost.


Since this fix would involve either a new message server call or changes to 
the parameters of an existing one, it requires changes to the SNAP interface, 
too.  This is not hard, but would make it a nuisance to test it at Bellcore, 
at least.  I imagine an ITC wizard could do it in just a few hours, however... 
 -- Nathaniel

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I'm sorry for the misunderstanding about what news services you wanted. 
 Indeed, AMS doesn't come with an NNTP server; sorry.  Or, it doesn't yet come 
with one; it's a small matter of programming, and maybe one will be written.


Two of the problems that AMDS solves in the big-distributed-filesystem 
environment (read AFS with 10^4 users) are:

- not relying on the centrality of /usr/spool/mail/<userid>, but instead 
delivering mail to a place relative to a user's home dir; and

- not relying on distributed file systems to rewrite a potentially long file 
at every delivery time, but instead keeping every message separate (and 
relying on the DFS to maintain the directory of such messages).

All I'm saying here is that the architecture for delivery (separate files 
under ~/Mailbox directory) was deliberate.


I suppose that all you're asking for is a program to take all the files out of 
~/Mailbox and append them in some quasi-safe fashion to 
/usr/spool/mail/<userid>, regardless of what /usr/spool/mail/... is on that 
system.  Presumably you'd then use your mail system of choice to absorb all 
the messages out of /usr/spool/mail/<userid>.  But now you have at least a 
small problem: if your favorite mail system doesn't empty out 
/usr/spool/mail/<userid>, then you still have mail sitting there.  If that 
machine is a workstation, and /usr/spool/mail/<userid> is just a local file on 
that workstation, what happens when the user walks to a different workstation 
to read mail next time?


I guess this is no different than the problems that you're already living 
with.  Whatever interfaces you're using are probably not prepared to handle 
transient failures, though, so you can't necessarily move them to run with all 
their files on AFS, without their users managing what happens when a file 
server becomes unavailable.


Hey, here's another solution.  Run AMDS, but initially provide everybody with 
a mail forwarding address that delivers mail to their favorite, current home. 
 That is, when you add an account on your system (on which you run AMDS), also 
add a forwarding address (to the file wp-build-directory/hist/passwd.chg, or 
use the ``forward'' or ``wpi'' programs to add it).  People read their mail 
exactly as before, delivered to their timesharing machine or workstation. 
 When somebody wants to read mail with an AMS interface instead, they can stop 
their own mail forwarding; mail will be delivered to their own AFS home 
directory, and they can run Messages or the like to read it.  How does this 
fit with your projected environment?


		Craig

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Currently, we are designing a hypertextual system based in Andrew.  We decided 
on Andrew for a number of good reasons but mainly for the text object supplied 
with the system.  


Now, we are implementing the notion of links and anchors between documents. 
 On the small scale, this worked alright but when we tried to load up a huge 
file (2.5 meg), Andrew did the "Segmentation fault" thing.  Inside of this 
file, there are a total of 700 anchors and 300 links.  Each of these anchors 
and links are insets.  I thought that this wouldn't be a problem.  After the 
Segmentation fault experience, I examined my program and determined there was 
nothing wrong with it.  So I turned to look at Andrew, and found by experiment 
that there can only be 128 objects contained within a text object.


The question is: Am I correct about my findings and is there a way to raise 
this limit?


					Thanks,


					Scott Hassan

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Aug-90 Insets Scott Hassan@informatics 
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\quotation{ So I turned to look at Andrew, and found by experiment that there 
can only be 128 objects contained within a text object.

}
\quotation{The question is: Am I correct about my findings and is there a way 
to raise this limit?

}
There was a bug in text.c that was limiting the number of insets that were 
allowed in a document.  The fix will be included in upcoming patch6.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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The 128 object limit is the result of a bug in text.c that will be fixed in 
Patch 6. Sorry for the problem.

	Tom


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From article <oagOxuu00Vt1I_kF0G@andrew.cmu.edu>, by tpn+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Tom Neuendorffer):
> O.K. Ed I'll bite. What are the alternatives to psdit for translating
> ditroff output to postscript? Will they allow postscript to be passed
> through so that we can use them for ATK work? Are any public domain? 
> Inquiring minds want to know :>. 
> 
> 	Tom
>
There is a free psroff available. It should be in the archives (I can't
remember if comp.sources.unix or alt.sources or elsewhere). From the README:

   In fact, this package can be used to, in effect, upgrade CAT troff
   to be ditroff.  There are limitations, but you get what you pay for.

If  you can't find it it may be obtained from the author or me (Europe only -
why should I ship sw back to North-America if it came from there?):

Chris Lewis, Elegant Communications Inc, {uunet!attcan,utzoo}!lsuc!eci386!clewis
 
- Hans

-- 

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Following are several announcements regarding various things happening with 
ATK and the ITC. 


\heading{Patch 6 Available:

}
Patch 6 has been a long time in coming.


It all started when HP sent us some patches to deal with the latest version of 
HPUX. These changes required some changes to the andrewos.h file, which in 
turn was going to require everyone to recompile the world. Since this was not 
a great situation, we decided to reorganize the way system files were dealt 
with, removing most of the IFDEFS from andrewos.h and moving all of the system 
dependent code to system.h. Thus, the next time one vendor decides to change 
their OS, only people with those machines will need to recompile . It was also 
decided that , since everyone was going to have to recompile everything 
anyway, we might as well put in all of the updates that we have been thinking 
about for a while. These include


\subheading{Improved low-level color and line style support

}\leftindent{There are a number of new or modified methods, along with 
appropriate hooks through the view class, for setting the colors and line 
styles (line join, line cap, dash pattern) of the graphic state. The 
graphic.doc file describes these methods in detail. Some minor fixes to Zip 
are included in this patch, but color and line style support in Zip is not yet 
ready.

}
\subheading{Support for the IBM Risc System 6000

}\leftindent{This port includes support that allows class to take advantage of 
the AIX OS primitives for doing dynamic loading.


}\subheading{Support for mach-based I-386 machines:

}\leftindent{Now you can run ATK on your toshiba lap-top :)


}\subheading{Support for PS/2 AIX 1.2

}
\subheading{Support for clipping regions}

\leftindent{
}\subheading{Support for using the ISO 8859-1 character sets.

}\leftindent{This includes:

1. Code to allow the ISO characters to be edited and viewed in a window, along 
with a font-alias file that permits the use of the X11 iso fonts. 

2. Code to store the ATK data-stream text in a seven-bit form, allowing it to 
be mailed with standard mailers and easily sent and received in electronic 
mail with the Andrew messages program.

3. Code and troff macros to print the characters properly. 

4. A compose character function, allowing the entry of the extended characters 
from a standard keyboard, without requiring knowledge of special keystrokes.

5. Keymap changes to allow the use of iso mapped keyboards.

}
\subheading{Bug fixes too numerous to name.

}
Naturally getting the bugs out of all of these took time. In addition there 
was the minor distraction of flying to California to put on the first ATK 
 conference :). However I am happy to announce that Patch 6 is now available 
for ftp from the patches directory on emsworth. The patch is in two parts , 
patch.06a and patch.06b. In addition, the log files, which were voluminous 
enough themselves, are stored separately as patch.06r.  This will upgrade you 
to ATK Version 15.0. 

\subheading{Note:}

Due to the large number of changes, we recommend that you back up your current 
system prior to applying the changes, and then force a complete remake of the 
system by doing a make Clean prior to the make World. 

Also, if you picked up the alpha version of the patch (stored as patch.006), 
you can upgrade to the release version with the patch 'fix.alp' in the 
alpha-patches directory. 



\heading{ATUG slides available:

}
Many of the slides presented at the Andrew toolkit user group meeting are now 
available for ftp from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu. (128.2.30.62). The file 
AtugSlides.tar.Z can be found in the 'misc' directory. Included in this file 
is an attendee list and the conference schedule. Files are in ATK format.


\heading{Survey:

}
I will soon be posting a brief survey of ATK users. A major disadvantage of 
our distribution through the X- tape has been the fact that we really don't 
know who out there is using ATK. I would like to attempt to rectify this 
situation by getting some feedback from the readers of this newsgroup. I also 
hope to gather a list of ATK related projects that I can make available to 
other researchers in the hopes of fostering additional collaboration between 
ATK users.

As an extra added incentive, I have a small collection of early ATK 
memorabilia, (certainly destined to be worth millions someday :) that I will 
happily mail to a user chosen at random from the survey respondents. As an 
even greater incentive, the majority of respondents will not receive this 
collection :>.


\heading{ATK and the ITC:

}
I would also like to state for the record that with regard to ATK work at the 
ITC,

 "\quotation{The rumors of my death have been somewhat exaggerated}".


While we currently only have a small group dealing solely with ATK, we are 
continuing to be quite active, as the current patch file demonstrates. In 
addition, other groups in the ITC are developing new insets to support their 
own projects, and I hope to see some interesting developments coming from 
them. 


\heading{The Future of ATK

}
We have begun discussions with some of our more serious users regarding the 
possibility of additional funding for ATK work at the ITC. More information on 
 this will hopefully be forthcoming, however if your organization would be 
interested in providing partial funding for a more concerted ATK support and 
development effort,  you are more than welcome to get in touch.


\heading{Coming attractions.

}
In future patches we hope to provide a number of new things including


\subheading{Motif work

}\leftindent{A more Motif look and feel for ATK . Thanks to Mark Pawliger of 
IBM, we now have a package that replaces the x window support with another 
that provides for pull-down menus. There are a few problems yet to deal with, 
but at some point we hope to provide users the option of a more 'Motifized' 
ATK 

}
\subheading{Input from the Labs

}\leftindent{We have also gotten a number of patches and new insets from 
Charles Hayden at Bell Labs that we hope to integrate soon.

}
\subheading{Meta-X package

}\leftindent{We will be releasing the code for a Meta-X package. This package 
is different than the one recently posted by Bill Janssen. It will allow 
calling of procedures with arguments. Procedure name completion will also be 
available.

}
\subheading{A Two-D layout inset

}\leftindent{A new substrate on which to create documents and applications.

}
\heading{Addendum

}
So that is where things stand. I am going to be on vacation until Aug 20, but 
the rest of the ATK group will be around to deal with any problems. 


Our best regards ,

	The ATK group

		Tom Neuendorffer (Mgr.)

		Gary Keim

		Susan Straub

		Stephan Green

		Rob Ryan

	ATK is brought to you by the Information Technology Center 

	John Howard, Director

	The ITC is a joint project of Carnegie Mellon and IBM

	Andrew is a trademark of IBM

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As mentioned in my last post, the following survey is an attempt to find out 
who is doing what with ATK. It would be very useful if at least one person 
from each site running ATK would take a few minutes to fill out the following 
and return it to us by Aug 17. The return address for this survey is 
 susan+responses@andrew.cmu.edu. 


Also as mentioned,  I have a small collection of early ATK memorabilia, 
(certainly destined to be worth millions someday :) that I will happily mail 
to a user chosen at random from the survey respondents. Respondents can also 
expect to receive a summary of the results. 


For the yes or no questions, please respond with a 'y' or a 'n'.


Thank you for your support.

	Tom Neuendorffer


------------------------------------

Name:

Net address:

Company/division:

Sitename:

Address:

Do you wish us to keep this information confidential:

Number of machines at site running ATK:

Number of ATK users at site:

Number of ATK programmers at site:

Does your site have AFS:

What are you using ATK for

	Mail:

	Document production:

	Project development:

	Other uses:


What ATK applications/insets do you commonly use.

	adew:

	bush:

	chomp:

	convertraster:

	cui:

	datacat:

	eq:

	ez:

	ezprint:

	ezscan:

	fad:

	link:

	lookz:

	messages:

	ness:

	raster:

	tm:

	typescript:

	table:

	text:

	vui:

	zip:

	The ODA toolkit:

	other (ITC developed): 

	other (locally developed):

Why are you using ATK:

Other Comments:


Please answer the following if you are doing development work using ATK.


What subject areas are you working on:

What ATK applications/insets have you developed:

Are you interested in sharing code and/or information with other ATK sites:

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 3-Aug-90 Re: Interfacing WP, AMDS 
wi.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (2489+0)}


\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 3-Aug-90 Re: 
Reading usenet News dir.. Bill Janssen@parc.xerox. (393+0)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{The headache is in maintaining the index files in the 
usenet news directories, and adding index files to new newsgroups.

}}
\quotation{Yeah, I believe what Bill means by "headache" here is 
"resource-intensive" -- in a previous post, he said that the daemon that 
updates these indices is just too expensive.  On thinking about it, I realized 
why:  it's using a general AMS feature that is overkill in this instance.}


\quotation{In the news case, you could do things much more cheaply. 
 Basically, you could first stat the index file and then see if there are any 
body files that are newer than the index files, and only process those.  (In 
fact, if you stat the directory itself and it isn't more than a few 
milliseconds older than the index file, you can avoid statting any of the body 
files!)  Then you'd just augment the .MS_MsgDir structure with the new message 
information, without all the other cost of the scavenge operation.

}
\quotation{The right way to implement this would be as a new CUI command, 
modeled on the scavenge command.  Alternately, it could be made an optional 
argument to the scavenge command, I suppose.  At any rate, it would make the 
daemon that updates the indices much more reasonable in its run-cost.

}
Actually, there is additional information which should be used instead. 
 Usenet news maintains an active file with a list of a all known newsgroups 
and article counts.  The news index daemon should read this, compare it with 
its stored last known state, and update the changed newsgroup directories 
appropriately.  Something like an automated news reader.  A standalone program 
like \bold{nns} seems a much better idea than invoking all of CUI.  The 
standard usenet news program \bold{checknews} has most of the code for doing 
this already in it.


Bill

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Yeah, I'll buy that.  The new program would check the active file and do
the equivalent of my "cheaper scavenge" on the directories that have
changed.  A small matter of programming...
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Subject: Re: ez and GNUemacs.
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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
> Well, those are the arguments I would make, but I think they are
> relevant because it was my impression that what you're calling ez was an
> evolutionary development, not a whole new program.  I believe there is
> still code in ez that is recognizably code from the original edittext
> and xyzzy; certainly there is a lot left over from bx.  Gnumacs, on the
> other hand, was a complete rewrite, as I understand it, in order to
> follow the GNU philosophy of software unencumbered by any previous
> copyright.

\begin{flame}

Your impression is wrong. I've also run into people who claim that Mach is
just Accent run through a Pascal to C translator. I find such statements
extremely galling in that they deny good work done by good people. Imagine
how you would feel if someone said "Messages is just BAGS translated into C
with some user interface enhancements picked up from ReadMail and
ReadNews." (For the info-andrew readership: BAGS was a MockLISP mail/bboard
reader written by Nathaniel before he came to the ITC. ReadMail and
ReadNews were two programs written by Tom Peters and are to edittext as
messages is to ez.  Messages bears little relationship to either of these
three programs.)

The redraw code and editing commands for text were completely rewritten by
Mike Kazar going from edittext to bx. This code was significantly cleaned
up (i.e. made readable by mere mortals) by Andy Palay in the conversion to
class. Later Andy add BitBlit scrolling and smooth inverted rectangle
cursors. (After which point he might as well have rewritten it for all the
original code you can recognize.) Tom Neuendorffer eliminated whole line
redraw. Since then I have fixed a number of bugs, but not rewritten much.

The entire style handling code was significantly redesigned by Mark Sherman
and Maria Wadlow about the time we went from bx to ez. A lot of code had to
be written to support datastream and the different template model. Text
commands were rewritten completely By Mike Kazar for bx and somewhat
reworked by Mike and myself for ez. (Tom N. added inset commands.) Printing
stayed much the same from edittext until Jaap Akkerhuis and Tom N. redid it
last year. Remaining parts of ez are things like file/buffer handling and
ezapp all of which I wrote from scratch. In addition, many other things
like the current event handling model, frame, keymaps and proctables (done
by David Nichols) came into being about the time of ez.

\end{flame}

1) Almost all the code was rewritten going from edittext to bx to ez. It
doesn't matter anyway since a lot of the technology involved is well
understood and doesn't change much in user perceptible ways.

2) We should be discussing user interface concepts instead of what the C
code looks like. GNU emacs inherits >90% of its user interface from
previous versions of emacs. Ez inherits somewhat less of its user interface
from previous ITC editors. (Edittext did not have multiple buffers for
example.)

3) We knew about emacs (GNU and otherwise) when we did ez. We considered it
of some but not overriding importance for the following reasons:
   - ATKs main feature was to be extensible to editing different graphical
     media. Emacs only does text in a single fixed width font.
   - We were doing a user interface toolkit not just an editor. This placed
     demands of generality upon us that emacs did not have to meet.
   - We were designing an editor for novice users. Many people thought
     MacWrite was a better model than emacs. (Being CS geeks, we put as
     much of emacs in as we could anyway.)
   - Memory was supposed to be tight. Writing it in LISP was not an option.

4) Of the above items, I believe ATK is:
    - a good research (i.e. throwaway) system for extensible media
    - the best designed X11 toolkit, but too flaky and incomplete to
      really use
    - a compromise that doesn't work wonderfully well for novices or
      hackers. (See flaky and incomplete above.)
    - A failure at memory conservation.

If I had known that our primary audience would be CS professionals and that
our delusions of generality were doomed to fail anyway, I would have done
things differently.

Sincerely,
Zalman Stern | Internet: zs01+@andrew.cmu.edu | Usenet: I'm soooo confused...
Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
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Re: compiling Andrew on a DECStation 3100

We have done it and it AIN'T fun. Basically, we had to get a source
for the C library (we used a combination of System V and BSD sources),
minus the assembly language coded stuff, compile it, and then load in
things that were coded in assembler after resolving all external
references. I wouldn't want to do it, again. You also have to get
sources for libm and libn (or libln).

To me there are two reasonable alternatives:

1. DEC should make a -G 0 version of the C library available on
WRL or one of those machines as a gesture of goodwill. They should
also do it because it doesn't make a whole lotta sense to have the
-G option if you have to use a library that is compiled with some
other value than the one that you want. 

In spite of numerous requests they have yet to do this which is a
disappointment and, perhaps, why they are posting quarterly losses.

2. There is no good reason why the C library sources should not be
distributed with each system. After all, everyone HAS to implement
it, and it doesn't contain any information (or at least, it SHOULDN'T)
that should be proprietary to a single implementation of C or Unix.
Certainly the assembly language support would hardly disclose any
sensitive information. This is especially important as compiler
options become more sophisticated since the weak link is a static
C library.

It's always easy to say "I wish the GNU people would do this..."
so I won't, but it would be nice if each vendor would contribute
such to the GNU (or other) effort(s).

I can't send you the library sources that we used because of the
System V stuff (ironic, eh? you being at Bellcore!), but you are
welcome to the binaries.

Personally, I wish that the distribution of a C library for Andrew
on the MIPS had been negotiated with DEC upfront. As I understand
it, ITC has a copy, internally, but I'm not sure what, if any,
are the restrictions on their redistribution.

Sean
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Hey, if I was wrong, I'm sorry.  I was just going by what I thought I knew.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 4-Aug-90 Re: ez and 
GNUemacs. Zalman Stern@andrew.cmu. (4457)}


\quotation{I find such statements extremely galling in that they deny good 
work done by good people.  Imagine} \quotation{how you would feel if someone 
said "Messages is just BAGS translated into C} \quotation{with some user 
interface enhancements picked up from ReadMail and} \quotation{ReadNews."

}
To be totally honest, I don't think that would be an unfair characterization, 
although I'd also point to a few additional innovations such as the 
messageserver/client architecture and the specialized active messages.  But 
then, I don't see anything wrong with seeing my work as evolutionary rather 
than revolutionary.  In fact, in general I think it's a good thing.  But if 
you'd rather maintain that ez is \italic{all new}, that's fine with me.  To my 
mind, actually, that attitude explains a lot.


However, the fact that you could explain things like "The redraw code and 
editing commands for text were completely rewritten by Mike Kazar going from 
edittext to bx. " indicates, to me, that lots of other things \italic{weren't} 
rewritten at that point.    I don't deny that most of the code has changed 
completely from the early days, but I don't think there was any point at which 
you threw out everything and started over from scratch, which is all I was 
saying.  I wasn't denying that a lot of good work went in to the evolution 
from xyzzy to ez -- obviously it did.  But it happened gradually, in stages, 
that's all.


For the record, I think this is an extremely stupid thing for us to be arguing 
about.  -- Nathaniel

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Actually, I should add that not a single line of BAGS code actually made
it into Andrew, since they were written in different languages.  But had
they been written in the same language, they probably would have shared
code, and as I said before, I would then see nothing wrong with calling
AMS as being an evolutionary development from BAGS...
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sean@dsl.pitt.edu (Sean McLinden) writes:
> [...]
> Personally, I wish that the distribution of a C library for Andrew
> on the MIPS had been negotiated with DEC upfront. As I understand
> it, ITC has a copy, internally, but I'm not sure what, if any,
> are the restrictions on their redistribution.
> 
> Sean

The ITC does not have a copy of this code, Academic Computing does. I
suppose the license covers all of CMU but we (the ITC) did not compile the
-G 0 libraries and have no interest in doing so. (I doubt any ITC employee
has compiled ATK on a DECstation since late last year.)

The ITC has already been extremely generous in "donating" my time to
getting ATK running on the DECstation. When I originally volunteered to do
the port I figured it would be easy (and I'd get a DECstation in my
office). But noooooo... It turned out to be two orders of magnitude more
difficult than I expected.  Most of the difficulty was do the the -G 0
libraries, but MIPS' very own symbol table format didn't help either. (In
all fairness the format is pretty good but figuring it out sans
documentation was a pain in the ass.)

This is an unofficial position of course. Tom can comment if he feels it
necessary.

Sincerely,
Zalman Stern | Internet: zs01+@andrew.cmu.edu | Usenet: I'm soooo confused...
Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.cmu.info-andrew: 3-Aug-90 Letter from the
home front Tom Neuendorffer@RCHGATE (6456+0)}


\quotation{[...]

}
\subheading{\quotation{Motif work

}}\leftindent{\quotation{A more Motif look and feel for ATK . Thanks to Mark
Pawliger of IBM, we now have a package that replaces the x window support with
another that provides for pull-down menus. There are a few problems yet to
deal with, but at some point we hope to provide users the option of a more
'Motifized' ATK

}}

Frankly speaking, I have no interest in pull-down menus, but I would be
interested in ATK pop-up windows with a Motif look to them.  Something to
perhaps keep in mind while working on "a more 'Motifized' ATK."


-wr

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\quotation{Bug in Andrew ??? X11R4 Server ??? or data swap in transmission or
between

}\quotation{architectures ???

}
\quotation{[...]

}

Looking at your xwd dump, I'd say you should first solve your X11 font
problem.  Use a font displayer such as xfd to make sure that you can display
the msgs10 and msgs14 fonts correctly.  Check your Andrew make in the
overhead/fonts area for errors;  also make sure the fonts were properly
installed, i.e., in a place where your X server can find them.


In the early days of making Andrew work on various hardware platforms, I've
seen many ATK windows that didn't look so very differently from yours.  The
problem was almost always either a font problem or an X server problem.


-wr

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I thought I'd ask...  Is there some way in messages to mark a message as
being unread, even though one has read it?

Bill
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Yeah, there's an option (in "Set Options") called "Mark Unread" or
something like that.  It will create an appropriate item on the "This
Message" menu card.  The item will only show up on folders to which you
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I'll be out of town Wednesday through Friday.  Since I handle the incoming bug 
reports, if you find any major problems with patch 6, please forward them 
directly to Gary Keim (gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu) and send a copy to 
 info-andrew-bugs.  


Thank you, 


Susan Straub

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A handy tip for Sun4 users:  If you want to make the Sun4 Cut, Copy, and
Paste keys work properly, you need the following three lines in your
appropriate init file:

#The Sun special keys
addkey "textview-zap-region" \eN
addkey "textview-copy-region" \eJ
addkey "textview-yank" \eL

Question:  What is the "appropriate init file"?  Probably either
.atkinit or .ezinit, depending on how you've set your init files up.  If
you're unfamiliar with initfiles, "help initfiles" will clue you in.  --
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References: 

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We've come across a possible bug in the class preprocessor.


It has to do with defining macromethods with the word '\bold{data}' in them.


Example:


\typewriter{\indent{class test : view

\{

    macromethods:

      push(char *elem) test_push((self), elem);

\};

}}

when run through the class preprocessor, produces a line in the .ih file like
this:


\typewriter{\indent{#define test_push(self,elem) \\

 test_push(((self)), elem);

}}
which is fine.


However, changing the definition slightly,


\typewriter{\indent{class test : view

\{

    macromethods:

      push(char *\bold{data}) test_push((self), \bold{data});

\};

}}

produces the line


\typewriter{\indent{#define test_push(self,char) \\

 test_push(((self)), data);

}}

which fails miserably because nowhere does 'data' appear in the in the macro
definition portion.


Even more fun is running the following through the preprocessor:


\typewriter{\indent{class test : view

\{

    macromethods:

      push(data) test_push((self), data);

\};

}}
which produces


\indent{#define test_push(self,rew/include/atk/view.ch) \\

 test_push(((self)), data);

}


I don't know if \italic{data} is a reserved word, and if so, I could live with
it.  However, there are classes in the distribution  (\italic{list}, for
example) which use the word '\italic{data}' in their macro definitions.


So is this a bug?


\italic{\center{\flushleft{\bold{\bigger{Scott Stekel}}  -  IBM Rochester

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There's a nasty mistake in the top-level README file where it tells you how to 
build Andrew on a MIPS system:


\quotation{There is a make macro MIPSLIBC_G0 which should be set in 
config/site.h to the path of one's -G 0 libc.a }


This made it sound like I wanted something in site.h like:


#define MIPSLIBC_G0 " /u/andrew/3100/lib/mips_G0/libc"


WRONG!  It doesn't go in site.h at all.  What you want is a make variable that 
goes in site.\bold{mcr} and looks more like this:


MIPSLIBC_G0 =  /u/andrew/3100/lib/mips_G0/libc


The second "gotcha" is that  you don't want ".a" at the end of that -- for 
some unfathomable reason, you have to specify it WITHOUT the .a.  Very cute.


This was quite nasty for me to figure out, and I assume it will be for others. 
 I trust the README file will be improved in a future patch.  -- Nathaniel

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I have been trying to modify the hypertext link inset distributed with the 
Andrew Toolkit system.  One problem that I am having is that the link does not 
seem to get the desired size it requested in the \bold{DesiredSize} procedure. 
 This only happens when the inset appears at the end of a display line.  The 
requested width is correct for the text contained in the link inset but 
somehow when \bold{GetOrigin} is called, the width is changed.  This different 
width seems to be the amount of pixels from the previous characters to the 
right margin.  The \bold{view_DSpass} parameter into the \bold{DesiredSize} 
procedure is set at \bold{view_NoSet }and I return \bold{view_Fixed.  }What am 
I doing wrong?


				Thanks,


				Scott Hassan

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nsb@thumper.bellcore.com writes:

> Building Andrew on our 3100's has turned out to be much harder than on
> our Suns.   The latest problem has me really stumped.
> 
> in atk/basics/common, the compile dies trying to make region.o.  The
> command it is using is:
> 
> cc -Dvoid=int -G 0 "-Wl,-D,1000000" -c -I.  
> -I/u/andrew/3100/include/atk -I/u/andrew/3100/include
> -I/usr/local/pkg/X11/include   region.c
> 
> The error mesage it produces, reliably, is:
> 
> cpp:   error region.c:219: missing endif
> 
> Now, this doesn't make any sense at all.  I've checked and all the
> if/endif pairs are balanced.  In fact, all of the include files are
> IDENTICAL to what they were on the Sun, and yet the preprocessor thinks
> I've got a missing endif.  Possibly there are some screwy #define's and
> #if's somewhere, but I can't find them.

This *sounds* like either a C or a class preprocessor error, but you say
that all the files are the same (the ".eh" files included?). Did you also
build X11R4 and use the imake and such (I assume that you did since your
include paths suggest a local X11 implementation)? You aren't using C++
I assume (why would you with Classes)? Another thing to consider is some
type of buffer overflow that causes lines to be lost. I assume
that you checked your config files for X11 and Andrew to make sure that
you don't have any nasties, there. Finally, I assume that you aren't building
across an NFS filesystem or someplace where an earlier operation could have
failed (due to a lost file server, or file system overflow), so that you got
a truncated file somewhere?

I guess that some more information is needed. Like are you using the DEC
standard C compiler and the standard X11R4 distribution? Did you capture the
output from the make up until this point and did anything else fail anywhere?
This is all standard stuff, but...

Sean

P.S. I found the DECstation 3100 build to be incredibly time consuming. Also,
I've found that if the Andrew build fails, for any reason, anywhere, the *only*
safe thing to do is to remove /usr/andrew, do a "make clean" generate a new
makefile, and do another "make World". I have not gotten make to restart
reliably.


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in atk/basics/common, in order to make region.do you need
XLIBDIR/libX11.a.  Of course, none of the documentation mentioned that
XLIBDIR had to be set to the directory where you've put the libg0
version of that library.  Nice,   I wonder how many times I'm going to
have to type make World to get this to work....
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OK, so my 3100 compilation finally gets as far as trying to link the
runapp binary.  The Imakefile for atk/apps is set up so that it tries to
get the X11 library simply by using -lX11.  Great.  Again, we get the 
non-libg0 version.  

The fix I found is, in atk/apps/Imakefile, to replace "-lX11" with
"$(XLIBDIR)/libX11.a".  I trust something like that will be in the next
patch.

I really don't understand how anyone ever managed to compile Andrew on
the 3100 without hitting all these problems.   Well, now I'll type "make
World" again and see how far it gets this time...   -- Nathaniel
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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:

> I really don't understand how anyone ever managed to compile Andrew on
> the 3100 without hitting all these problems.   Well, now I'll type "make
> World" again and see how far it gets this time...   -- Nathaniel


I seriously doubt anybody *did* compile Andrew without hitting these
problems.  I sure didn't.  I fought with it for three days, at least 1
of which was just making sure I had all the pieces to build a -G 0
library.  It was that frustration that led me to start work on the G0
converter.  Unfortunately, it's still a ways from working right.

Once you've finished though, it's well worth it.  The fastest fad
animation I've ever seen was on my DECstation 2100.  The 3100 can only
be better.

				Carl Fongheiser
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> OK, so my 3100 compilation finally gets as far as trying to link the
> runapp binary.  The Imakefile for atk/apps is set up so that it tries to
> get the X11 library simply by using -lX11.  Great.  Again, we get the 
> non-libg0 version.  
> 
> The fix I found is, in atk/apps/Imakefile, to replace "-lX11" with
> "$(XLIBDIR)/libX11.a".  I trust something like that will be in the next
> patch.

I got around it by defining the -L option at the level of the config files.
Basically, the following is what I did to get things to work:

in config/site.mcr:

        MIPSLIBC_G0 = /systems/pmax/usr/lib/mips_G0/libc_G0
        XLIBDIR = /systems/pmax/usr/lib/mips_G0
        XSRCDIR = /sources/pmax/X11/mit/
        XUTILDIR = /systems/pmax/usr/bin/X11
        XBASEDIR = /systems/pmax
        ROOTDIR = /systems/pmax
        BASEDIR = /systems/pmax/usr/andrew
        DEFAULT_ANDREW_ENV = /systems/pmax/usr/andrew
        MAKEDOFLAGS = -L/systems/pmax/usr/lib/mips_G0 ${MAKEDODEBUG} \
	 -d ${BASEDIR}/lib -b ${BASEDIR}/bin


in config/allsys.mcr: (this is needed because these are not read,
properly, from the other files in time to make the Makefiles correctly.

        XBASEDIR = /systems/pmax
        XSRCDIR = /services/X11/mit/
        BASEDIR = /systems/pmax/usr/andrew
        DESTDIR = /systems/pmax/usr/andrew

in config/pmax_3/system.mcr:

        CC = cc -Dvoid=int -G 0 "-Wl,-D,1000000" \
	 -L/systems/pmax/usr/lib/mips_G0

Also, if you define AMDS, you'll need to get "mpp" (why anyone chose
to implement Yet Another Macro Preprocessor when there are at least
half a dozen floating around for Unix is beyond me, (let alone why
it is copyrighted by IBM and part of the Transarc code)!

> I really don't understand how anyone ever managed to compile Andrew on
> the 3100 without hitting all these problems.   Well, now I'll type "make
> World" again and see how far it gets this time...   -- Nathaniel

If you have already gotten past the build of the examples, the
make world will fail because it quits if the ".eh" files already
exist (which I why I also remove /usr/andrew before a "make world").

Also, unless you figure out something that I didn't, you'll need to
actually run X11R4 (not DECWindows), to get Andrew to run. Otherwise
the applications will start but the fonts, cursors, and icons will
be screwed up.

Don't forget that building AMDS will destroy your system mailer
unless you make the BASEDIR changes (this might have been fixed
with Patchlevel 6), since it overwrites /usr/lib/sendmail, /bin/mail,
and other things without asking and NOT part of "make install" but
rather as part of "make world").

Other than that it was easy.

Sean



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I know this was discussed a while back on this list, but I can't seem to dig 
it up.


I think that I'm running a down-level version of ditroff or psdit, and that 
this is causing embedded Andrew insets (zip, raster) not to print properly. 
 When I capture the postscript output for an embedded zip, for example, it 
starts something like this:


\smaller{\smaller{\typewriter{% included PostScript

\\

%!\\

  PB\\

    /troffadjust \{ pop 0 \} def\\

    385 troffadjust 215 neg translate\\

%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2\\

% Begin Zip PostScript Prelude  Version 0.0\\

}}}
My printer seems to be dying on the backslashes.  I'm sure I've seen this 
problem discussed on this list before, so I'm sorry to bring it up again, but 
could someone please tell me what, exactly, the problem is?  Thanks.  -- 
Nathaniel

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Can you tell me if there is anything written down about the new color stuff? 
Is it exploited in any inset? Also, have we washed it yet?

	-Mark

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 8-Aug-90 Possible bug in class prepr.. 
Mark Turner@rchland.ibm. (1204+0)}


\quotation{I don't know if \italic{data} is a reserved word, and if so, I 
could live with it.  However, there are classes in the distribution 
 (\italic{list}, for example) which use the word '\italic{data}' in their 
macro definitions.

}
\quotation{So is this a bug?

}
From the bugs database located in andrew/bugs.open:


\indent{ID: 1015

Keyword: class

Subject: possible bug

Priority: 2

Description:  There is a bug in the class preprocessor when the word 'data' is 
used in macromethods.  The macro which gets created in the corresponding .ih 
file is incorrect.  

}
Yep.  This does have to do with the fact that the word data is used to begin 
the data-specification portion of a class header file.  It needs to be fixed. 
 For now avoid that usage.


Gary

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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>The fix I found is, in atk/apps/Imakefile, to replace "-lX11" with
>"$(XLIBDIR)/libX11.a".  I trust something like that will be in the next
>patch.

Make it an option, please; I originally submitted the change to use
"-lX11" in order that, when building on systems where "-lX11" gets you a
shared library, "runapp" gets built with a shared library. 
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Yeah, building ATK on a pmax is a bitch. But many many patches ago, it did
build cleanly at lesat once for me following the directions in the README
file at the top of the tree. Gary is working on building ATK on his pmax so
this stuff should get better.

How its supposed to work:

You put all the -G 0 libraries in some directory. (The libs that you need
are enumerated in the documentation.) If that directory is not
$(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0, then you must edit the copy of makedo.csh in the
source tree. (This is also documented.) Makedo adds this directory to the
library search path via a -L switch to ld. External libraries used in
makedo lines should use -l instead of absolute library paths. (Note: this
may lose on systems that don't support the -L switch to ld. The only real
alternative is to replace all explicit library references with macros. To
support the -G 0 crud, there will have to be one macro for makedo lines and
one for other purposes.)

I'm not sure how I got region.do to work. A good fix is to change the
Imakefile to use -lX11 instead of $(XLIBDIR)/libx11.a (see aove note).  It
shouldn't hurt to have runapp linked against the non -G 0 X11 library.
Code in runapp can be linked against standard libraries without ill effect.
(Unless your standard libraries and -G 0 ones are incompatible, in which
case all bets are off.)

The MIPSLIBC_G0 docs look pretty broken. In addition it might increase the
general sanity in the world to make the macro contain the .a instead of the
code in the Imakefile. (On the other hand, changing it now might be more
hassle than its worth.)

For similar fun, try building CMU CS software on systems that don't support
the CPATH and LPATH environment variables sometime...

Disclaimers: I don't hack on ATK any more. I hate (I)makefile hacking more
than anything else I have to do on a regular basis.

Sincerely,
Zalman Stern | Internet: zs01+@andrew.cmu.edu | Usenet: I'm soooo confused...
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>of which was just making sure I had all the pieces to build a -G 0 library

I've been watching this for a while, waiting for someone to leak a clue
as to what a G0 library is.  Could one-who-knows please do so?

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i'm having the same "woes" as others, it appears, trying to get andrew
to compile on a 3100.  it seems that some people have done it,
however.  i don't expect to be getting ultrix 4.0 for quite some
time, though.

could some kind soul make available to me (through ftp) the andrew
package with the fixes you used to compile this on a 3100?  i would
appreciate it. 

thanks!

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from andrew: 10-Aug-90 Printing Revisited Nathaniel 
Borenstein@thu (752+0)}


\quotation{I know this was discussed a while back on this list, but I can't 
seem to dig it up.

}
 The following mail solved my problems. There is a bug in the ditroff source.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from andrew: 27-Feb-90 Re: Printing bugs with 
insets. Jaap Akkerhuis@andrew.cm (2716+0)}


\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Feb-90 
Printing bugs with insets. Rocky - Rakesh Patel@khn (5259+1)}

}


\quotation{\quotation{There are some serious bugs with printing and insets... 

}}
\quotation{\quotation{When embedded rasters are incuded in a document, ezprint 
ends up

}}\quotation{\quotation{sticking `\\` at the end of each postscript command. 
That is a serious problem.

}}
\quotation{
}
\quotation{Well, it is not a problem of ezprint. It is a problem what pops up 
in newer versions of troff (As far as I've have seen, in ditroff release 2.0). 
This newer version of troff has a bug fix which cause this new one introduce a 
bug, the classical example of ``there is always one last bug''. For historical 
reasons ditroff has its own version of the stdio library. It has been decided 
that [fs]printf will always stick a backslash before non-printable characters, 
although this code actually never got executed in the original ditroff 
version. This bug is fixed and now another one pops up: accidently '\\n' is 
also considered non-printable.

}
\quotation{The problem can easy be demonstrated with something along the line 
of:

}
\quotation{troff

}\quotation{\\!this string will appear in the ouput with a backslash attached

}\quotation{\\!it shouldn't

}\quotation{.ex

}
\quotation{There should now be some output with the two strings clearly 
visible and with a backslash before the CR following these strings.

}
\quotation{If you have the source, it is easy to fix. Look at the file n1.c 
and look at the scaled down version of C library printf. You will see twice 
code in the style of:

}
\quotation{	else if (c == 'c') \{

}\quotation{		c = *astr & 0377;

}\quotation{		if (c > 0177 || c < 040)

}\quotation{			putchar('\\\\');

}\quotation{		putchar(*astr & 0177);

}\quotation{	etc.

}
\quotation{It is obvious that one should not print the backslash for certain 
chars < 040, so the code need to look along the lines of:

}
\quotation{	else if (c == 'c') \{

}\quotation{		c = *astr & 0377;

}\quotation{		switch(c) \{

}\quotation{		    case '\\n':

}\quotation{		    case '\\t':

}\quotation{		    case '\\f':

}\quotation{		    case '\\b':

}\quotation{			putchar(c); break;

}\quotation{		    default:

}\quotation{			if (c > 0177 || c < 040)

}\quotation{			    putchar('\\\\');

}\quotation{			putchar(*astr & 0177);

}\quotation{		\}

}\quotation{	etc.

}

\quotation{Note that I'm doing this from memory, so you mileage might vary how 
the code actually looks like. Of course, if you don't have the source yell to 
your supplier.

}
\quotation{\quotation{The other problem is seen when embedding other insets 
into a zip object.

}}
\quotation{[Example deleted]

}
\quotation{\quotation{This is a serious mess. I'm surprised no one has 
bothered to even mention

}}\quotation{\quotation{these problems or attempted to fix them.  Note that I 
have been happy

}}\quotation{\quotation{with the new release since the folks at CMU (and 
friends) have put considerable

}}\quotation{\quotation{effort in to de-CMUize the release. I just wish we 
could print the stuff now.  :-(

}}
\quotation{Yep, it is a serious mess. Printing is not ATK strongest point. It 
is of course difficult to put this infinite embedding of objects on paper. It 
is amazing how much does work and yes, I'm afraid embedding insets in zip 
looses when it gets printed.

}

I hope this helps you.


Hans

 

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It's a bug in the textview display code.  Any inset can be made to go to zero 
width by typing non-wrappable text in front of it.


Wish I could be of more help, but them's the breaks!  You could report it as a 
bug.  Better yet, you could figure out how to make text wrap insets that want 
to be bigger than the space left on the line, and send a patch!  ;-)


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attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}


I would like to change the horizontal spread of menu panes. I follow the 
decription in cmenu.help (see below) and it does not seem to work. 


\bold{\italic{cmenu.PaneSpread:} 1.25}

\leftindent{Determines the horizontal spread of menu panes.  Any value greater 
than or equal to 0.0 may be used; the value must be specified as a number plus 
tenths or hundreths (i.e., 1.0 is an appropriate value for cmenu.PaneSpread 
but 1 is not).  A value of 1.0 means that the horizontal and vertical spread 
will be equivalent.  A value less than 1.0 will compress the menu panes inward 
and a value greater than 1.0 will expand them outward.


}I placed  \bold{\italic{cmenu.PaneSpread:} 3.25 }in my .preferences and also 
in .Xdefaults and none of these works. What am I doing wrong??   I really want 
to change horizontal spread because the menus are too close together.  When 
you try to select something from one menu card, there is a tendency to jump to 
another card because  you have moved the mouse pointer to that card by 
accident.


thanks for your help,


\bigger{\bold{David K. Yip  }\bold{\bold{(}dy@mtgzx.att.com)}}

(201) 957-5544

\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}

MT 3E-437, 200 Laurel Ave

Middletown, NJ 07748\italic{\center{

}}\center{
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\quotation{I would like to change the horizontal spread of menu panes. I 
follow the decription in cmenu.help (see below) and it does not seem to work. 

}
I'm sorry to say that the documentation that you cite lies.  That feature is 
not supported.  The current version of the cmenu help file does not lie. 
 Sorry.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Subject:  Lost some mail
Cc: janssen@parc.xerox.com, bobrow@parc.xerox.com

I am a new aand relatively naive Andressw and Unix user.  I just lost a
rather long message I was composing; this distressed me as you might
imagine, and Bill Janssen said you would be interested. 

 While the composiition window was open, I noticed that a previous
message I thought I had kept a copy of was not aaround.  I went to the
Help document, and found out how to make that happen, and went into Set
Options.  Found lots of interesting options, and turned a number of
switches, including bcc.  Did no Alter's.  Then not understanding how to
get out of Set Options, I went back to the messages window and clicked
on a mail folder name.  Got the following message in the console window

<warning:ms>Segmentation Violation signal caught; checkpointed server state...

and the messages window disappeared.  Started messages again.  Then
looked for a *.CKP file with contents like my composed message. 
Couldn't find one anywhere with the right contents..  Sniff.  And I
thought this couldn't happen.  I'll try it again soon, after I make sure
I have read my mail and mailed everything.

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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
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Hmmm....  I just did an experiment, and it looks to me like sendmessage
checkpointing is totally broken.  I know it worked once upon a time, but
somewhere along the way some patch or something may have turned it off. 
As far as I can tell, message composition windows are no longer
checkpointing at all.  As the various options related to this
checkpointing suggest, I put a lot of effort into making this work once
upon a time.  I have no idea when or why it broke, but I suggest that it
should be added to the bug list, at the very least...  -- Nathaniel
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So much for experiments.  Shortly after that experiment, my modem
connection died while I was composing mail.  I reconnected and, lo and
behold, though my processes had all died, my mail-in-composition had
been checkpointed.

So it isn't as simple as being totally broken, but it doesn't seem to be
checkpointing as often as it ought to.  Maybe it's only checkpointing on
something like a HUP signal, instead of the timer events it is supposed
to use?  At any rate, I don't think that the "Checkpointing
messageserver state..." messages are also indicating a checkpoint of
mail in progress, though they are supposed to...
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Date: 14 Aug 90 21:35:44 GMT
From: dhc@lanl.gov  (Dave Carter)
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okay, from the mail i've received, i'm convinced i need to get a copy
of the lg0 libraries in order to build andrew on my 3100 (running
ultrix 3.1.)  unfortuneately, getting anything from our local dec
people is like pulling teeth, only not as quick.

anybody out there have these libraries where i can ftp them?  or even
better, has anyone yet fixed andrew so i can build it on my 3100?  if
so, i'd really like to ftp the kit, complete with patches.

thanks a lot!

						- dave
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From: mtxinu!jaap@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Jaap Akkerhuis)
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In article <oakfsKy0M2YtM89V1a@thumper.bellcore.com> nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) complains:
 > I know this was discussed a while back on this list, but I can't seem to
 > dig it up.
 > 
 > I think that I'm running a down-level version of ditroff or psdit, and
 > that this is causing embedded Andrew insets (zip, raster) not to print
 > properly.  When I capture the postscript output for an embedded zip, for
 > example, it starts something like this:
 > 
 > % included PostScript
 > \
 > %!\
 >   PB\
 >     /troffadjust { pop 0 } def\
 >     385 troffadjust 215 neg translate\
 > %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2\
 > % Begin Zip PostScript Prelude  Version 0.0\
 > 
 > My printer seems to be dying on the backslashes.  I'm sure I've seen
 > this problem discussed on this list before, so I'm sorry to bring it up
 > again, but could someone please tell me what, exactly, the problem is? 
 > Thanks.  -- Nathaniel

Yeah, this has been discussed before. It is a problem in some
versions of troff, starting somewhere at DWB2.0. For the people
who have the source, the fix is in the ``scaled down version of
stdio'' which is part of troff. If you look closely you will find
in printf and fprintf a place where troff places a backslash in
front of every non-printable character. It does this with a statements
in the form of

	if(c < 32 )
		putchar('\');

Well, that should be something more in the style of:

	if(c < 32)
		switch(c) {
			case '\n':
			case '\t':
			case '\r':
				break;
			default: putchar('\');
		}

For people who don't have the source, complain loudly at your
supplier.

And yes, this has been discussed before.


	jaap

PS. All code fragments above are from memory, and the real code will
    likely be different, but this is the basic idea.
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Many thanks to all who responded.  The fix worked, and I can now print
Andrew documents with embedded insets.  Thank you all!  -- Nathaniel
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Date: 15 Aug 90 20:23:16 GMT
From: usc!samsung!umich!terminator!doom.ifs.umich.edu!honey@ucsd.edu  (Peter Honeyman)
Organization: Center for Information Technology Integration, Univ of Michigan
Subject: Re: Lost some mail (2)
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my composition window has the nasty habit of displaying "Checkpointing
messageserver state..." and never coming up for air.

	peter
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Thanks for the latest patch. It finally got me to build ATK on our sparc's.

Here's what I've found so far:


0. Someone didn't compress patch 6 on emsworth. I think this shoul be done. 
We're only getting about 700 bytes/sec ftp here!


1. Building ATK worked out almost OK, it didn't take so long (maybe bacuse I 
ran it on a SUN4/490).

1.1. Building atk/ness/doc doesn't work. I got the following message:


\example{building (dependInstall) (/ufs/e/andrew/atk/ness/doc)

make DESTDIR=/usr/pd/andrew install

Checking Destination Directories....

touch install.time

(ANDREWDIR=/usr/pd/andrew; export ANDREWDIR; \\

 CLASSPATH=/usr/pd/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH; \\

 WMHOST=; \\

 /usr/pd/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessauth.d)

Starting nessrun (Version 1.3, ATK 15.0); please wait...

sh: 19030 Memory fault - core dumped

*** Error code 139

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `nessauth.doc'

Current working directory /ufs/e/andrew/atk/ness/doc

*** Error code 1

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'

Current working directory /ufs/e/andrew/atk/ness/doc

*** Error code 1

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'



}1.2	Building ATK without putting the result in "/usr/andrew" fails in 
overhead/class/testing since the Imakefile specifies 

\example{MAKEDOFLAGS=-b ../cmd -g

}which overrides the standard definition which in my case is  

\example{MAKEDOFLAGS = $\{MAKEDODEBUG\} -d $\{BASEDIR\}/lib -b 
$\{BASEDIR\}/bin

}maybe the Imakefile definition should be 

\example{MAKEDOFLAGS= -d $\{BASEDIR\}/lib -b ../cmd -g

}at least this worked for me.


2. Testing the stuff revealed that messages doesn't work at all:

\example{piggy> messages

Starting messages (Version 7.14, ATK 15.0); please wait...

Illegal instruction (core dumped)


}3. Help dies if you do the following:

\indent{piggy> help compchar

Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 15.0); please wait...

Now select the words: \bold{Composites File Format} a bit into the text.

Choose "Show help on selected word" and watch the show. 


}It appears as if you select anything \bold{bold }and then choose \bold{Show 
help on selected word}, help dies immediately.


4. Reading the info about compchar makes me confused:


\indent{How do I specify an argument to a proc in a *init file ?

The "ascii" field in the \bold{Composites File Format }section isn't 
described, only specified in the syntax. I may guess it's use since I've been 
involved a bit in the matter of composed characters, but I bet others will be 
confused. I'd also have wanted  to see more examples in the Quick reference 
section. Btw. I found out about the extistence of compchar by reading the RCS 
diffs in patch.08r. I found no file telling me what functional changes have 
been made to ATK with the 2.1 Mbyte sized patch #6.

}
5. It seems to me (by reading the manual) that there is no way to specify a 
default translation of ascii to ATK without having to answer at least one 
question. We had this possibility with Tom's "swedish" proc's. But now this 
seems to be gone. Is there maybe another (undocumented) argument to ASCIIToATK 
that enable me to design a menu entry which does what I usually want to do. 
I.e. translating a piece of swedish ascii text (with \{\}|'s) to the real 
stuff and back again without having to answer silly questions (since I'm 
always knowing what I'm doing :-) . 


Well, that's all for now.


Chris.


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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
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attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
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menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 16-Aug-90 Observations on ATK, 
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\example{
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\quotation{4. Reading the info about compchar makes me confused:

}
\indent{\quotation{How do I specify an argument to a proc in a *init file ?

}\quotation{The "ascii" field in the \bold{Composites File Format }section 
isn't described, only specified in the syntax. I may guess it's use since I've 
been involved a bit in the matter of composed characters, but I bet others 
will be confused. I'd also have wanted  to see more examples in the Quick 
reference section. Btw. I found out about the extistence of compchar by 
reading the RCS diffs in patch.08r. I found no file telling me what functional 
changes have been made to ATK with the 2.1 Mbyte sized patch #6.}


}Blush!  The sole example in cpchar.help described exactly what I wanted, I 
think I'll RTFM better next time I complain. Nevertheless I miss the 
description of the "ascii" field and the "changes-since-last-patch" 
description.

	

\quotation{5. It seems to me (by reading the manual) that there is no way to 
specify a default translation of ascii to ATK without having to answer at 
least one question. We had this possibility with Tom's "swedish" proc's. But 
now this seems to be gone. Is there maybe another (undocumented) argument to 
ASCIIToATK that enable me to design a menu entry which does what I usually 
want to do. I.e. translating a piece of swedish ascii text (with \{\}|'s) to 
the real stuff and back again without having to answer silly questions (since 
I'm always knowing what I'm doing :-) . 


}Poking around a bit more makes me even more confused:

\indent{
ASCIIToATK enables me to translate a selected text region to ISO characters, 
but doing the reverse (ATKToASCII) operates on the\bold{ whole} document/inset 
or whatever. If this is a bug, I think it deserves a fix. If it's a feature, 
I'd strongly oppose this design. The user interface to ATK is already quite 
confusing. What you do is that you design procs that appears to be their 
reversals both by their names and their results. Why do these procs have to 
have \bold{different UI's ??

}}\bold{
}Suggestion: 

	1. Modify the UI of ASCIIToATK to include the possibility of specifying a 
parameter in the .*init file. This parameter should be used as a "go right 
away and do it" flag. (I did this, it was fairly simple)

	2. Use the same UI routines for ATKToASCII.

	3. Do this right away before people here in Europe start using this.


Otherwise I'm quite pleased with the way you designed the cpchar package. Now 
we'll go doing some troff hacking -:)


Chris.


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Chalmers University of Technology		! Phone: +46 31 721000

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attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
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Hmm, more info:

I built my ATK on a SparcServer 4-490 SUNOS 4.\bold{1.}

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\quotation{0. Someone didn't compress patch 6 on emsworth. I think this shoul 
be done. We're only getting about 700 bytes/sec ftp here!

}
It's now available as patch.06a.Z and patch.06b.Z ... sorry I missed that. 


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 16-Aug-90 Observations on ATK, PL6. 
Christer Bernerus@birk.c (3302+0)}


\quotation{1.1. Building atk/ness/doc doesn't work. I got the following 
message: .....

}
This was a bug that occurred in patch.006 (alpha), but fixed in the 'official' 
release, patch.06a and patch.06b.  If you didn't get the 'official' patch 6, 
you should pick up fix.alp in the alpha-patches directory.  


If you really do have the official patch and the ness/doc bug is still 
occuring, please let me know so we can look into the problem. 


Thanks for your help, 


Susan Straub

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\quotation{1. Building ATK worked out almost OK, it didn't take so long (maybe 
bacuse I ran it on a SUN4/490).

}\quotation{1.1. Building atk/ness/doc doesn't work. I got the following 
message:

}
\example{\quotation{building (dependInstall) (/ufs/e/andrew/atk/ness/doc)

}\quotation{make DESTDIR=/usr/pd/andrew install

}\quotation{Checking Destination Directories....

}\quotation{touch install.time

}\quotation{(ANDREWDIR=/usr/pd/andrew; export ANDREWDIR; \\

}\quotation{ CLASSPATH=/usr/pd/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH; \\

}\quotation{ WMHOST=; \\

}\quotation{ /usr/pd/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessauth.d)

}\quotation{Starting nessrun (Version 1.3, ATK 15.0); please wait...

}\quotation{sh: 19030 Memory fault - core dumped

}\quotation{*** Error code 139}}


Shell core dumps on Sparcs occur frequently due to a bug in Sun's version of 
sh.  This is supposed to be fixed by Sun at some time.


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Evidently, ness has changed in such a way that
.../atk/ness/doc/present.n no longer works.  Given a file name
'nessauth.d', it is supposed to create 'nessauth.doc'; instead, it
creates 'present.n nessauth.doc' (a filename with an embedded space.)
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This worked in PL 5.

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\quotation{Shell core dumps on Sparcs occur frequently due to a bug in Sun's 
version of sh.  This is supposed to be fixed by Sun at some time.

}
The usual workaround for this is to \italic{unsetenv} all but your most 
essential environment variables before starting the make.  I have been 
successful in the past (haven't tried it with patch 6 yet) by eliminating 
everything except \typewriter{HOME}, \typewriter{SHELL}, \typewriter{USER}, 
and \typewriter{PATH}, and I set \typewriter{PATH} to just \bold{/usr/ucb} and 
\bold{/usr/bin}.



\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

} 
\smaller{ }}\smaller{ } 
                                                                       

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If Patch 6 is official, when will it be posted on expo?  I don't want to
back out patches or patch patches to make them official.


Thanks ....jip@alw.nih.gov
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 17-Aug-90 Error building 
ness documen.. Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (399)}


\quotation{.../atk/ness/doc/present.n no longer works.  Given a file name 
}\quotation{'nessauth.d', it is supposed to create 'nessauth.doc'; instead, it 
}\quotation{creates 'present.n nessauth.doc' (a filename with an embedded 
space.)

}
This bug has been corrected, but--I am sorry to have to report--did not make 
its way into patch 6.  Presumably it will be in patch 7.  


For those of you willing to risk bypassing the regular patch mechanism, the 
correction is to replace the ParseArgs routine in atk/ness/objects/nessruna.c 
with the new version below.


Fred Hansen




	boolean 

nessrunapp__ParseArgs(self, argc, argv)

	struct nessrunapp *self;

	int argc;

	char **argv;

\{

	struct nessmark *arg, *args, *blank;


	if(!super_ParseArgs(self, argc, argv))

		return FALSE;


	/* super_ParseArgs() passes across the "runapp" and its switches,

		leaving "nessrun" as the first arg.   */


	while(*++argv != NULL && **argv == '-') \{

		switch((*argv)[1])\{

			case 'd':		

				self->dump = TRUE;

				break;

			case 'f':		

				nessrunapp_SetFork(self, TRUE);

				break;

			default:

				fprintf(stderr,"%s: unrecognized switch: %s\\n",

					nessrunapp_GetName(self), *argv);

				show_usage(self);

				return FALSE;

		\}

	\}


	if (*argv == NULL) \{

		fprintf(stderr,"%s: no programfilename specified\\n",

				nessrunapp_GetName(self));

		show_usage(self);

		return FALSE;

	\}


	/* get the name of the ness program file */

	self->inputfile = *argv++;


	if (*argv != NULL) \{

		/* concatenate args to pass to theNess */


		blank = nessmark_New();

		nessmark_MakeConst(blank, " ");

		arg = nessmark_New();

		args = nessmark_New();

		nessmark_SetText(args, simpletext_New());

		while (*argv != NULL) \{

			nessmark_MakeConst(arg, *argv);

			nessmark_Next(args);

			nessmark_Replace(args, arg);

			nessmark_Next(args);

			nessmark_Replace(args, blank);

			argv++;

		\}

		nessmark_Base(args);

		ness_SupplyMarkerArg(self->theNess, args);

	\}

	return TRUE;

\}

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\template{messages}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 17-Aug-90 Error building 
ness documen.. Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (399)}


\quotation{.../atk/ness/doc/present.n no longer works.  Given a file name 
}\quotation{'nessauth.d', it is supposed to create 'nessauth.doc'; instead, it 
}\quotation{creates 'present.n nessauth.doc' (a filename with an embedded 
space.)

}
This bug has been corrected, but--I am sorry to have to report--did not make 
its way into patch 6.  Presumably it will be in patch 7.  


For those of you willing to risk bypassing the regular patch mechanism, the 
correction is to replace the ParseArgs routine in atk/ness/objects/nessruna.c 
with the new version below.


Fred Hansen




	boolean 

nessrunapp__ParseArgs(self, argc, argv)

	struct nessrunapp *self;

	int argc;

	char **argv;

\{

	struct nessmark *arg, *args, *blank;


	if(!super_ParseArgs(self, argc, argv))

		return FALSE;


	/* super_ParseArgs() passes across the "runapp" and its switches,

		leaving "nessrun" as the first arg.   */


	while(*++argv != NULL && **argv == '-') \{

		switch((*argv)[1])\{

			case 'd':		

				self->dump = TRUE;

				break;

			case 'f':		

				nessrunapp_SetFork(self, TRUE);

				break;

			default:

				fprintf(stderr,"%s: unrecognized switch: %s\\n",

					nessrunapp_GetName(self), *argv);

				show_usage(self);

				return FALSE;

		\}

	\}


	if (*argv == NULL) \{

		fprintf(stderr,"%s: no programfilename specified\\n",

				nessrunapp_GetName(self));

		show_usage(self);

		return FALSE;

	\}


	/* get the name of the ness program file */

	self->inputfile = *argv++;


	if (*argv != NULL) \{

		/* concatenate args to pass to theNess */


		blank = nessmark_New();

		nessmark_MakeConst(blank, " ");

		arg = nessmark_New();

		args = nessmark_New();

		nessmark_SetText(args, simpletext_New());

		while (*argv != NULL) \{

			nessmark_MakeConst(arg, *argv);

			nessmark_Next(args);

			nessmark_Replace(args, arg);

			nessmark_Next(args);

			nessmark_Replace(args, blank);

			argv++;

		\}

		nessmark_Base(args);

		ness_SupplyMarkerArg(self->theNess, args);

	\}

	return TRUE;

\}

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Yikes !  I can't believe I forgot to do that.  I'm in the proess of ftp'ing it 
at this moment.  


My apologies.  We had so many things going on when patch.06(a,b) went out the 
door that this never crossed my mind.  


As a reminder, patch 6 is divided into two parts, patch.06a and patch.06b, 
both of which (will) exist in pub/R4/contrib-fixes/andrew in regular and 
compressed form.  Each patch can be applied separately ... in other words, you 
don't have to cat them together to make things work.  Another file, patch.06r, 
contains all the RCS logs for the patches.  For a synopsis of the changes 
included in Patch 6, you should check out Tom Neuendorffer's mail to 
info-andrew dated Aug. 3 Re: Letter from the home front.  (Copies available 
for a small fee ;-) )


Thanks for the reminder, and please let us know any problems you may be having 
with patch 6.  Tom N. will be back on Monday, and I hope that we can soon get 
out another small patch which will include the fixes you've all provided.  


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Group


PS.  The patches made their way to expo.lcs.mit.edu. Good Luck!




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}
\quotation{\quotation{Shell core dumps on Sparcs occur frequently due to a bug 
in Sun's version of sh.  This is supposed to be fixed by Sun at some time.

}}
\quotation{The usual workaround for this is to \italic{unsetenv} all but your 
most essential environment variables before starting the make.  I have been 
successful in the past (haven't tried it with patch 6 yet) by eliminating 
everything except \typewriter{HOME}, \typewriter{SHELL}, \typewriter{USER}, 
and \typewriter{PATH}, and I set \typewriter{PATH} to just \bold{/usr/ucb} and 
\bold{/usr/bin}.

}
ATK with patch 6 built for me with an unstripped environment on a 
SparcStation-1 using SunOS 4.0.3c.


Bill

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Some problems I've had with Andrew PL 6:

1) "console" compiled on a Sparcstation 1 gives a bus error in a
function called by the application_Start() macro on line 202 of
runapp.c.  It runs fine on a sun 3 or an IBM RT running AOS 4.3.  (The
suns both run 4.0.3).

How does one go about debugging this?  Normally, I'd go into a
debugger and get a backtrace, to see where it died, and then look at
the source code to see if I could figure out what was wrong.  With
this dynamic loading stuff, I can't figure out how to get the debugger
to tell me what function it died in, so I can't figure out how to
start debugging it.

2) .../overhead/util/lib/tokpak.c kills the Sparcstation compiler.  It
works fine if it's compiled without optimization.

3) .../config/vax_3/system.h is missing the declaration of osi_Times
and the definition of osi_GetSecs().

4) .../ams/demo/gendemo doesn't work if you don't set ANDREWDIR and
you don't build andrew in /usr/andrew.

5) .../overhead/class/testing/Imakefile should set MAKEDOFLAGS to
-b ../cmd -g -d $(BASEDIR)/lib .  Otherwise, it doesn't work if you're
not installing in /usr/andrew.

6) .../overhead/snap2/guardian/cmd/Imakefile and
.../overhead/snap2/pcserver/Imakefile refer to
${AFSBASEDIR}/lib/librauth.a, which is not part of AFS 3.0.  Things
seem to work fine if that library is removed from the compile
line--evidently AFS 3.0 has the necessary functions from that library,
but has moved them to some other library.

7) .../overhead/wpi/wpi.c , line 503, calls puts(WPI_Value("Fwd", entry));
however, if somebody has no forward field, WPI_Value returns NULL,
which makes puts() core dump.  wpi should probably check for this case
explicitly and print out something like "no forwarding address".

8) Is the AFS monitoring for console supposed to work under AFS 3.0?
The sample consoles that claim to monitor the file system always claim
"There has been no file system activity."

I'd appreciate any help with fixing the problems with console (numbers
1 and 8); the rest I've fixed myself.

Thanks,

Carl Witty
cwitty@cs.stanford.edu
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I am trying to build Andrew.p6 on a Sun4 under SunOS 4.1 (anybody have
any problems doing this??) and I came across a problem with imake.

The file ./config/andrew.rls provides the macro
DependTarget(dependencies) however the Imakefiles in ./overhead/sys
and ./overhead/addalias use the macro without an argument. This
causes imake to bomb out real early in the build. There may be other
Imakefiles that use this macro but I haven't looked that far.

Suggestions?

-Cameron

Cameron Humphries
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School of Information Science and Technology   phone: +61 +8 201 2874
The Flinders University of South Australia     fax  : +61 +8 201 2904
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Susan, will tell this fellow where to get the version of gdb that supports 
dynamic loading.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{1) "console" compiled on a Sparcstation 1 gives a bus error in a

}\quotation{function called by the application_Start() macro on line 202 of

}\quotation{runapp.c.  It runs fine on a sun 3 or an IBM RT running AOS 4.3. 
 (The

}\quotation{suns both run 4.0.3).

}
\quotation{How does one go about debugging this?  Normally, I'd go into a

}\quotation{debugger and get a backtrace, to see where it died, and then look 
at

}\quotation{the source code to see if I could figure out what was wrong.  With

}\quotation{this dynamic loading stuff, I can't figure out how to get the 
debugger

}\quotation{to tell me what function it died in, so I can't figure out how to

}\quotation{start debugging it.

}
The answer is to get the version of gdb from the Free Software Foundation 
(version 3.5 or greater).


Thanks.


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\quotation{The file ./config/andrew.rls provides the macro

}\quotation{DependTarget(dependencies) however the Imakefiles in 
./overhead/sys

}\quotation{and ./overhead/addalias use the macro without an argument. This

}\quotation{causes imake to bomb out real early in the build.

}
From a version of imake.c I have here:


\smaller{#if defined(sun) || defined(hpux) || defined(AIXV3)

#define REDUCED_TO_ASCII_SPACE

#endif

#ifdef REDUCED_TO_ASCII_SPACE

int   InRule = FALSE;

#endif


/*

 * Some versions of cpp reduce all tabs in macro expansion to a single

 * space.  In addition, the escaped newline may be replaced with a

 * space instead of being deleted.  Blech.

 */

#ifndef REDUCED_TO_ASCII_SPACE

#define KludgeOutputLine(arg)

#define KludgeResetRule()

#endif

}
Find out what version of imake your're using.  I've been told that the version 
on the Xtape works when compiled straight off the tape..


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Subject: problem with console, help (PL6)

Has anyone else had problems like the following under patch level 6?

I just put up andrew from scratch (patch level 6).  All seems to work
fine except console and help.  When console is started, it will pause
for about two minutes only displaying "Initializing default.." in a
blank window. It then will work normally, after displaying

"console:<OpenConsoleSocket> gethostbyname failed  (12:54:00 PM )

in its text window.

Help does a similar thing.  After I type 'help'  it sits for a few minutes
and then prints out:

	"No 'localhost' found in host table; creating new window."

However, localhost is in my /etc/hosts as:
127.1           localhost loopback loghost

These look like they could be manifestations of the same problem.
Has anyone seen this before? BTW, I'm on a Sun-4 under 4.0.3.

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To whom it may concern:

I am interested in obtainig a copy of "Messages" for the Macintosh on a 
trial basis.  I was told that is part of the Andrew project software.  
Is this true? If so, can you give me any information as to if it is 
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Thank you.

Sincerely,
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\bold{Bug report:

}
Using the \italic{Don't show first folder on startup} option in messages 
causes a segmentation

violation. This happens when clicking a folder icon.


The bug bites on SUN3 (PL5) and SUN4 (PL6) but not on RT AOS(PL5).


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Those are great bug reports.  The guys actually supporting Andrew should take 
them seriously.


I can help with only a few of these.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 18-Aug-90 console gets 
bus error, oth.. Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{4) .../ams/demo/gendemo doesn't work if you don't set ANDREWDIR and

}\quotation{you don't build andrew in /usr/andrew.

}
The Imakefile should be passing in a correct value for DESTDIR via the 
following hack:

	-$\{CSHELL\} gendemo  -force -DESTDIR $\{DESTDIR\} 
$\{DESTDIR\}/.MESSAGES/demo


I've always ignored any problems with ams/gendemo since I don't want an AMS 
demo folder created where this thing wants to put it, anyway.  But running 
this thing assumes that you have CUI configured properly (i.e. assumes that 
you have an AndrewSetup file that will make things work).  Generally, the time 
when you're building the software is not the time that you want to get AMS 
running, so it's an inconvenient interruption.  Sigh.


\quotation{6) .../overhead/snap2/guardian/cmd/Imakefile and

}\quotation{.../overhead/snap2/pcserver/Imakefile refer to

}\quotation{$\{AFSBASEDIR\}/lib/librauth.a, which is not part of AFS 3.0. 
 Things

}\quotation{seem to work fine if that library is removed from the compile

}\quotation{line--evidently AFS 3.0 has the necessary functions from that 
library,

}\quotation{but has moved them to some other library.

}
Yup, the AFS 3.0 distribution no longer generates librauth.a, and there are 
backward-compatibility functions available.  Last November, which is the last 
time I tested this, using these backward-compatibility functions prevented PC 
users from authenticating with their cleartext passwords, though it was 
possible to authenticate by copying tokens from one process to another with no 
problems.  With dozens of other things to do, I didn't pursue the problems 
further.  Sorry.


\quotation{8) Is the AFS monitoring for console supposed to work under AFS 
3.0?

}\quotation{The sample consoles that claim to monitor the file system always 
claim

}\quotation{"There has been no file system activity."

}
Yes, it works fine, but you have to say ``fs monitor localhost'' or its 
equivalent.  (It used to be ``fs monitor <hostname>''.)  This gets the local 
cache manager to send the messages that Console will monitor.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 21-Aug-90 Re: console gets bus error,.. 
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\quotation{Those are great bug reports.  The guys actually supporting Andrew 
should take them seriously.

}
Some great, some not so.  Did I miss something here.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{How does one go about debugging this?  

}
I think we sent (or are sending) info on gdb.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{2) .../overhead/util/lib/tokpak.c kills the Sparcstation compiler. 
 It

}\quotation{works fine if it's compiled without optimization.

}
Why don't you send the error messages reported.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{3) .../config/vax_3/system.h is missing the declaration of 
osi_Times

}\quotation{and the definition of osi_GetSecs().

}
Blunder on my part.  Fixed.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{4) .../ams/demo/gendemo doesn't work if you don't set ANDREWDIR and

}\quotation{you don't build andrew in /usr/andrew.

}
Again, can you send the error messages printed.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{5) .../overhead/class/testing/Imakefile should set MAKEDOFLAGS to

}\quotation{-b ../cmd -g -d $(BASEDIR)/lib .  Otherwise, it doesn't work if 
you're

}\quotation{not installing in /usr/andrew.

}
Another mistake by me.  Fixed.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{6) .../overhead/snap2/guardian/cmd/Imakefile and

}\quotation{.../overhead/snap2/pcserver/Imakefile refer to

}\quotation{$\{AFSBASEDIR\}/lib/librauth.a, which is not part of AFS 3.0. 
 Things

}\quotation{seem to work fine if that library is removed from the compile

}\quotation{line--evidently AFS 3.0 has the necessary functions from that 
library,

}\quotation{but has moved them to some other library.

}
I've #ifdef AFS30_ENV around librauth.a.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. 
Carl Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)}


\quotation{7) .../overhead/wpi/wpi.c , line 503, calls puts(WPI_Value("Fwd", 
entry));

}\quotation{however, if somebody has no forward field, WPI_Value returns NULL,

}\quotation{which makes puts() core dump.  wpi should probably check for this 
case

}\quotation{explicitly and print out something like "no forwarding address".

}
Fixed.


Thank you for the report.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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I think this is a resolver problem.  From andrew/README:


\bold{
}\indent{RESOLVLIB denotes the full path of the domain name resolver library. 
 It is used only if RESOLVER_ENV is defined, which it is unless your system.h 
or site.h file undefines it.  The default value (the empty string) is useful 
if the resolver code is in your libc.a.  If the resolver code is in a separate 
library, such as /usr/lib/libresolv.a, that name should be the definition for 
RESOLVLIB; define it in your site.mcr file.

}
Did you set RESOLVLIB?


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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The RESOLVER_ENV and RESOLVLIB stuff are known sources of configuration 
errors, but I don't think that this one is there.  That is, Andrew doesn't 
provide its own version of gethostbyname(); it uses whatever one is in the 
libraries linked to it.  (That being said, there is usually a gethostbyname() 
in the resolver libraries, and you may need to set RESOLVLIB correctly if 
you're a site that expects the name resolver to work.)


\quotation{"console:<OpenConsoleSocket> gethostbyname failed  (12:54:00 PM )

}
\quotation{Help does a similar thing.  After I type 'help'  it sits for a few 
minutes

}\quotation{and then prints out:

}
\quotation{	"No 'localhost' found in host table; creating new window."

}
\quotation{However, localhost is in my /etc/hosts as:

}\quotation{127.1           localhost loopback loghost

}
The problem could be decomposed to ask:

	[a] what is being passed to gethostbyname()?

	[b] will your gethostbyname() find something reasonable with that result?

The answer to [b] depends on RESOLVLIB.  Given that you refer to 
``/etc/hosts'' in your message, I'll assume that the names you expect to hand 
to gethostbyname() are in your /etc/hosts file and that your name resolver is 
disabled somehow.


Now, the question [a] remains: what's passed to gethostbyname()?  This is 
usually the result of the Andrew GetHostDomainName() call, from 
overhead/util/lib/hname.c .  This function will call the system function 
gethostname(), but sometimes it will append the result of the system function 
getdomainname() to it.  (It appends the name if there are no dots in the 
gethostname() result (it's not fully qualified).)  Since you're on a sun-4, 
you have the getdomainname() call, and by default GETDOMAIN_ENV is defined. 
 If it doesn't make sense to append this value, you can disable this behavior 
by defining the AndrewSetup value ``ThisDomainSuffix'' to something 
appropriate for your system, to turn the local machine address into a 
fully-qualified domain name.  If you really don't want anything to be 
appended, you can define ``ThisDomainSuffix'' as simply a dot (as in

\example{ThisDomainSuffix: .}

) and nothing will be appended.  Make the target ``hname.test'' in your 
overhead/util/lib build directory to test the behavior.


This addresses the probable issues with the Console error messages, but it 
doesn't really get at the complaint from Help, that presumably really does 
pass "localhost" to gethostbyname().  Some remarks:

[1] the line you quote from your /etc/hosts looks odd to me, since it names 
127.1 rather than 127.0.0.1, but maybe this works fine and I'm just backward.

[2] your gethostbyname() may in fact be consulting the domain system rather 
than /etc/hosts, so the ``...found in host table'' message may be more 
metaphorical than literal, and the name ``localhost'' may not resolve 
correctly via your local resolvers.

[3] are all those spaces after the ``127.1'' text OK, rather than tabs?


Hm.  After looking at the atk/help/src/helpa.c source file, ``localhost'' 
isn't passed to gethostbyname() after all.  Instead, a ``wmHost'' variable is 
assigned to the value of the environment value ``WMHOST'' (should there be 
any), or to the value returned from the straight gethostname() call (no 
getdomainname() stuff).  If the value of the ``wmHost'' variable can't 
successfully be passed to gethostbyname(), help prints that error message. 
 There are several levels of bogosity here: the error message is misleading, 
and the whole ``WMHOST'' protocol should have been replaced by something more 
generic when the support for X11 (and ``DISPLAY'') went in.  But at least you 
should be able to use this information to make help work.


		Craig

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Mark,

>  Was this successfully resolved?

I ran "make dependInstall" within the src/oda/src directory "bare
bones" -- no other users, no unnecessary processes, and no window
system.  The run still failed, with the compiler seg-faulting on
attr15.c.  However, when I created an alternate Makefile that did not
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Unfortunately, this problem (and quite frankly, I don't know if any
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\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
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\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
In the process of putting together a shell script for converting PCS mailboxes 
into AMS folders I came across what appears to be an annoying aspect of 
messages. I followed Nathaniel's instructions, and everything worked fine 
until the last step, which involves "reconstructing" the newly created folder. 
While reconstructing the folder one is prompted as follows:


CUI> How do you want to sort the reconstructed folder

    1 - By time stamp on the raw files

    2 - By parsing the 'Date' header (slower; sets time stamps)

Choose one [1 - By time stamp on the raw files]:


I selected 2 hoping that  I would get the timestamps set right on the files so 
that the right sending times would be reflected in the captions when the 
folder is viewed in messages. Unfortunately, that is not to be. Although the 
messages get sorted correctly, the timestamps do get set, but in the captions 
messages  displays the time at which the message was moved from PCS form to 
the AMS folder. Now this time is seems to be less important for the user than 
the time at which the message was originally sent. So I am left wondering how 
I can get messages to display the timestamp as set by cui in the captions 
instead of this other time. Is there a preference that I can set or something 
like that? Or is it going to need changes in the source code? Where does 
messages get the time that it displays in the captions from?


Thanks.

\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

}... 
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$N icon12
$C 30
$T 30
$L andy12
$P 0,0,20000,256
$F
$V 21,21 33,21
$V 43,19 59,19
$V 29,29 33,42
$V 33,42 40,44
$V 40,44 55,44
$V 55,44 62,30
$V 40,30 46,30
$A 87,28 -1,76
$V 92,26 92,26
$V 92,26 92,26
$V 91,32 91,32
$F
$V 21,21 33,21
$V 43,19 59,19
$V 29,44 33,42
$V 33,42 40,44
$V 40,44 55,44
$V 55,44 68,48
$V 40,30 46,30
$A 87,28 -1,76
$F
$V 21,21 33,21
$V 43,19 59,19
$V 26,34 33,42
$V 33,42 40,44
$V 40,44 55,44
$V 55,44 67,34
$V 40,30 46,30
$A 87,28 -1,76
$F
$V 21,21 33,21
$V 43,19 59,19
$V 29,29 33,42
$V 33,42 40,44
$V 40,44 55,44
$V 55,44 62,30
$V 40,30 46,30
$A 87,28 -1,76
$S 70,46
Ha-ha!
$$
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   Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. Carl
   Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)

   > 2) .../overhead/util/lib/tokpak.c kills the Sparcstation compiler.  It
   > works fine if it's compiled without optimization.

   Why don't you send the error messages reported.

rm -f tokpak.o
cc -c -I.  -O -Bstatic -I/afs/ir.stanford.edu/@sys/local/andrew/include/atk 
 -I/afs/ir.stanford.edu/@sys/local/andrew/include -I/usr/afsws/include 
 -I//usr/include/X11   tokpak.c
cc: Fatal error in iropt: Segmentation fault
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `tokpak.o'

(I split the compile line for mailing--in reality, of course, it's all
one line.)

   Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-90 console gets bus error, oth.. Carl
   Witty@decwrl.dec.co (2083)

   > 4) .../ams/demo/gendemo doesn't work if you don't set ANDREWDIR and
   > you don't build andrew in /usr/andrew.

   Again, can you send the error messages printed.

Do you want to create a messages demo folder in the directory
 /afs/ir/users/c/cwitty/.MESSAGES/amsdemo, erasing any previous
 contents AND ALL SUBDIRECTORIES recursively [no] ? yes
/usr/andrew/bin/cui: Command not found.
/afs/ir/users/c/cwitty/.MESSAGES/amsdemo is not a directory--aborting.

(Again, I split the "Do you want ..." line into three lines for
mailing.)

This fails because gendemo assumes that either you've got the
ANDREWDIR environment variable set, or you're installing in
/usr/andrew.  It would be nice if this didn't require you to set
ANDREWDIR, since (as far as I can tell) everything else in Andrew
works without ANDREWDIR being set.

Carl Witty
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I notice that in \typewriter{atk/typescript/fcomp.c}, the code for command 
completion is #ifdef'ed out.  Any particular reason for this?


Bill

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Well I finally had Andrew ready to go.

Brought X11R4 up to patchlevel 14.
Built all the Andrew Makefiles.

make dependInstall

barf
.....: no such file or directory

The build process is not creating subdirectories under DESTDIR.

I am building Andrew from a clean slate so those of you who simply(?) updated
from patchlevel 5 probably did not encounter this problem.

For a time I just waited for the build to die, created whatever directory it
complained about and then restarted the build however some things did not
worry about the lack of a suitable directory so at one stage I had a file
called $(DESTDIR)/bin which was not a directory but a sparc executable.
Interesting concept that -- an executable directory.

If there is a simple fix to this problem I would appreciate it. If not then
could somebody mail me a list of subdirectories and I will create them by hand
before I try building again. In this case assume that I am building everything
(ODA,AMS,contrib,...).

Thanks
-Cameron

Cameron Humphries
Discipline of Computer Science                 email: cameron@cs.flinders.oz.au
School of Information Science and Technology   phone: +61 +8 201 2874
The Flinders University of South Australia     fax  : +61 +8 201 2904

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Aug-90 Failing to 
create DESTDIR s.. Operator@cs.flinders.oz. (1235)}


\quotation{Well I finally had Andrew ready to go.

}
\quotation{Brought X11R4 up to patchlevel 14.

}\quotation{Built all the Andrew Makefiles.

}
\quotation{make dependInstall

}
\quotation{barf	

}\quotation{.....: no such file or directory

}
\quotation{The build process is not creating subdirectories under DESTDIR.

}
\quotation{I am building Andrew from a clean slate so those of you who 
simply(?) updated

}\quotation{from patchlevel 5 probably did not encounter this problem.

}

Try using


	\bold{make World}


not


	\bold{make dependInstall}


The former takes care of making the destination directories.  -- If you are 
\bold{\italic{not}} working from a "clean slate", you have the option of 
skipping the \bold{World} and going straight to the \bold{dependInstall} 
stage.



Apparently (a) the README file is not clear about this, and/or (b) the 
top-level Imakefile was changed so that the directories only got created via 
World and should possibly be changed back.


--fish

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*Sigh* -- I should have looked a little harder


I was using make -n, which on the system I was using doesn't recurse - and a 
make -n dependInstall did indeed not show the call to the macro for making the 
destination directories.


What it did show (and I forgot to check) was a recursive call to "make 
install" -- doing a make -n on that shows the creation of the destination 
directories.


So,  the documentation looks like it should be correct - and the remaining 
problem is:


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Aug-90 Failing to 
create DESTDIR s.. Operator@cs.flinders.oz. (1235)}


\quotation{make dependInstall

}
\quotation{barf

}\quotation{.....: no such file or directory

}

Is there more to the error message than ".....: no such file or directory" ?


Perhaps the top-level destination directory does not exist ? (i.e. DESTDIR = 
/foo/bar/baz, and /foo/bar does not exist)


--fish

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A problem I have with installing ATK (PL6) on a Sun4:

Compiling with cc without optimizer option completes without any problems. But starting an application brings up the following error message:

illegal instruction (core dumped).

Starting ez without a filename and creating a new file, which contains only text, runs fine. But including any inset (e.g. zip, raster) causes the same error message.

Any suggestions?

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Aug-90 command 
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\quotation{I notice that in \typewriter{atk/typescript/fcomp.c}, the code for 
command completion is #ifdef'ed out.  Any particular reason for this?

}
Well, the code works (or at least did), but seemed pretty useless as is. The 
problem with it was that there were too many times I wanted to use it, but the 
typescript only had the text around for the last couple of commands -- this 
could be fixed easily enough by saving the commands separately (outside the 
typescript's text object) -- so I left the code there, but #ifdef'ed out.


It might be interesting to fix this, and then bind it to esc-=. (The way this 
should work is you type a little bit, hit escape-equals, and fcomp completes 
with the text of the most recent typescript command starting with that bit of 
text. Repeated use of esc-= brings up 

previous matches. The empty string matches all the commands (as a prefix), so 
there's reasonable backwards compatibility.)


--david

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Anyone else interested in an ATK-typed attribute for use in X.500? We are 
modifying dish and quipu to accomodate ATK data streams and was wondering 
whether anyone else is interested.

		-Mark

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Do the messages that you are moving have Date: headers that are parseable? 
 That is, if you feed the contents of the Date: headers to CUI's ``whenis'' 
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I say this because your symptoms could be explained if all the Date: header 
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   A problem I have with installing ATK (PL6) on a Sun4:

   Compiling with cc without optimizer option completes without any
   problems. But starting an application brings up the following error
   message:

   illegal instruction (core dumped).

Compile the whole thing statically (with the -Bstatic flag) (or get a
list of the applications that use dynamic loading, and compile them
statically.  Anybody have such a list?)

Why doesn't the documentation mention that this is necessary?  Is
there something odd about my case, such that it works for most people
without compiling statically?

Carl Witty
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\quotation{   A problem I have with installing ATK (PL6) on a Sun4:

}
\quotation{   Compiling with cc without optimizer option completes without any

}\quotation{   problems. But starting an application brings up the following 
error

}\quotation{   message:

}
\quotation{   illegal instruction (core dumped).

}
\quotation{Compile the whole thing statically (with the -Bstatic flag) (or get 
a

}\quotation{list of the applications that use dynamic loading, and compile 
them

}\quotation{statically.  Anybody have such a list?)

}
\quotation{Why doesn't the documentation mention that this is necessary?  Is

}\quotation{there something odd about my case, such that it works for most 
people

}\quotation{without compiling statically?

}
The following worked for previous versions. It seems to work with PL6 too, but

I do not know if it is necessary.


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From: tom@icase.edu (Tom Crockett)

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Excerpts from info-andrew: 26-Feb-90 Problems with Andrew on Sun.. Keith

Gorlen@uunet.uu.ne (5216)


>  ez brings up a window and can do primitive editing operations, and I

> could insert an eq object, but it crashes if I try to insert a zip

> object.  Most other applications (e.g. help, console, ezprint, ness)

> just dump core after printing out the "Starting ..." message but before

> bringing up a window.


>  (1) I had to recover several times from the infamous Sun-4 "sh"

> problem, (2) I couldn't get the ness documentation installed because

> ness would dump core


Finally, somebody has run into the same problems I had!!!  I was

beginning to think our system was just corrupted or something.  I had

exactly the same behavior you describe for these three cases.  I didn't

see the dofix problems, though.  (I don't have AFS and didn't try to

build WP.)  


Here's what I did.  For the core dump problems (most of the apps and

nessrun), I modified two Makefiles after running "make Makefiles" but

before running "make dependInstall".


    The following Makefiles need to be edited manually to add a -Bstatic

    option for linking:


    AS/atk/apps/Makefile


        runapp:  runapp.o statload.o  $\{ATKLIBS\} $\{OTHERLIBS\}

                $(RM) $@

        $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -Bstatic -o $@  runapp.o statload.o $\{ATKLIBS\}

        $\{OTHERLIBS\}  $\{SYSLIBS\}


    AS/atk/ness/objects/Makefile


        nessrun:  nessrun.o $\{NESSOBJS\} nessmark.o  nesssym.o  

        ../tokens/libtokens.a $\{LIBS\}

                $(RM) $@

                $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -Bstatic -o $@  nessrun.o $\{NESSOBJS\}

        nessmark.o  nesssym.o   ../tokens/libtokens.a $\{LIBS\}  -lm



Everything ran fine after that.  It turns out that it's sufficient to

link just -lm  statically, but I did some experimentation, and found

that my typical desktop used about 900K less memory if I linked all of

the libraries  statically for runapp!  I posted my experiences with this

to info-andrew a couple of days ago;  I'll forward you a copy of that.


As for the problem with sh dumping core, I slashed my environment

variables back to the bare (and I do mean bare) minimum before starting

"make dependInstall".  I unsetenv everything except USER, HOME, SHELL,

and then do set path=( /usr/ucb /usr/bin ).  I have yet to see sh dump

core with this bare bones environment.  I've also found it helpful to do

the build on a lightly loaded machine to prevent occasional failures of

as and ccom.


Tom Crockett


ICASE

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

                                                                           

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[ Keith Gorlen sends a nicely detailed bug report... ]


On a SparcStation-1, I'd suggest building without AFS, using

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which is known to be broken), and statically linking `-lm' (a la Tom

Crockett, message <AZt0Dqr0_csmJfnV9c@sparc01.icase.edu>).


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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 22-Aug-90 Re: eatmail and AMS (messag.. 
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\quotation{Do the messages that you are moving have Date: headers that are

}\quotation{parseable?  That is, if you feed the contents of the Date: headers 
to

}\quotation{CUI's ``whenis'' command, do you get meaningful results?

}
\quotation{I say this because your symptoms could be explained if all the 
Date:

}\quotation{header parses failed, and CUI had to use the date on the file 
itself.

}
\quotation{		Craig

}
It appears to me that CUI was able to parse the dates since \italic{it did set 
the dates on the files correctly} and it sorted the messages in the correct 
order too. It is only when \bold{messages} is used to view the folder in which 
those messages are placed that the other date shows up in the captions.


Indeed running the date in those messages through \italic{whenis} in \bold{cui} 
yields the following:


\typewriter{CUI> whenis  12 Aug 1988  13:11 EDT

8/12/88 13:11:00

}

Jishnu.



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Blat: Foop

David Anderson <dba+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Aug-90 command completion in
> types.. Bill Janssen@parc.xerox. (130+0)
> 
> > I notice that in atk/typescript/fcomp.c, the code for command completion
> > is #ifdef'ed out.  Any particular reason for this?
> 
> Well, the code works (or at least did), but seemed pretty useless as is.
> The problem with it was that there were too many times I wanted to use
> it, but the typescript only had the text around for the last couple of
> commands -- this could be fixed easily enough by saving the commands
> separately (outside the typescript's text object) -- so I left the code
> there, but #ifdef'ed out.
> 
> It might be interesting to fix this, and then bind it to esc-=. (The way
> this should work is you type a little bit, hit escape-equals, and fcomp
> completes with the text of the most recent typescript command starting
> with that bit of text. Repeated use of esc-= brings up 
> previous matches. The empty string matches all the commands (as a
> prefix), so there's reasonable backwards compatibility.)

This is exactly how the Esc-[ command in tm works.

-Miles
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}Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Aug-90 Failing to create DESTDIR
}s.. Operator@cs.flinders.oz. (1235)
}
}> make dependInstall
}
}> barf
}> .....: no such file or directory
}
}
}Is there more to the error message than ".....: no such file or directory" ?

[root]kurango [/ada/andrew] ==> make dependInstall
Checking that BASEDIR is not the location of the source files.
make DESTDIR=/sunsrc/andrew_dir install
Checking Destination Directories....
Making directory dirs
Checking Destination Directories....
install  -c -m 0444 config/ImakeMacros.d  /sunsrc/andrew_dir/doc/ImakeMacros.d
install: /sunsrc/andrew_dir/doc/ImakeMacros.d: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install.time'
Current working directory /ada/andrew
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
[root]kurango [/ada/andrew] ==> cd /sunsrc/
[root]kurango [/sunsrc] ==> ls
ImageMagick/    andrew_dir/     flinders        lost+found/     unify/
PostScript0     craig/          list            sql_cache/
[root]kurango [/sunsrc] ==> cd andrew_dir/
[root]kurango [/sunsrc/andrew_dir] ==> ls

Now I don't expect any comments about the partition names. They are
just something you learn to live with. I am pushing for an andrew
partition but I have to get it built and installed first.

I handmade the doc subdirectory and tried dependInstall again. This
time it installed Imakemacros.d but failed on the next one.

install -c -m 0444 config/andyenv.h /sunsrc/andrew_dir/include/andyenv.h
install: /sunsrc/andrew_dir/include/andyenv.h: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

}Perhaps the top-level destination directory does not exist ? (i.e.
}DESTDIR = /foo/bar/baz, and /foo/bar does not exist)

As you can see above /sunsrc/andrew_dir does indeed exist.

Also permissions should not be causing a problem since I was
building Andrew as "root".

-Cameron

Cameron Humphries
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School of Information Science and Technology   phone: +61 +8 201 2874
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Subject: Does anybody know what the troff HR font is?

Someone reported that when they print a table they get the following:

% ezprint -Snil sched_90-09.table
Starting ezprint (Version 7.0, ATK 14.2); please wait...
troff: Can't open /usr/lib/font/devpsc/HR.out

Sure 'nuf, there is no HR font installed in our devpsc.  Our transcript
build doesn't know anything about it.  It's not mentioned in txttroff.c
with any of the andy-to-troff translations.

It _IS_ hard coded into table:  in print.c: WriteTroff:

   /* set up my state */

    if (toplevel) {
        fprintf(f, ".ft HR\n");         /* set my font */
        fprintf(f, ".ps 10\n");         /* 10 point */
        fprintf(f, ".vs 12p\n");        /* 12 point vertical spacing */
    }
    fprintf(f, ".nf\n");                /* no filling */

----

Does anyone know that the HR font is supposed to map to?  My guess is
Helvetica Roman, but that's sort of a contradiction in terms.  Might it
be Helvetica Regular, implying that H is a correct substitution?  In
carefully going over the CMU devpsc directory and the MIT devpsc
directory, I theorize that the CMU version of ditroff, newer than the
MIT ditroff creates an HR which is just about the same.

Is there some very experienced person out there who can tell me where I
can modify the MIT ditroff to make the HR files?

-wdc
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 23-Aug-90 Re: Failing to 
create DESTD.. Cameron Humphries@cs.fli (2156)}


\quotation{make DESTDIR=/sunsrc/andrew_dir install

}\quotation{Checking Destination Directories....

}\quotation{Making directory dirs

}\quotation{Checking Destination Directories....

}

Something is definitely wrong here - if the directory /sunsrc/andrew_dir/ is 
empty - then not only should you see "Checking Destination Directories...", 
but you should also see messages like the following:


"Making directory /sunsrc/andrew_dir/bin"

"Making directory /sunsrc/andrew_dir/config"

"Making directory /sunsrc/andrew_dir/etc"

[...]


----------------

Your top-level Imakefile should have (around line 27) the following:


\example{\smaller{DIRS = $(DESTDIR)  \\

	$(DESTDIR)/bin \\

	$(DESTDIR)/config \\

	$(DESTDIR)/etc \\

	$(DESTDIR)/include \\

	$(DESTDIR)/lib \\

	$(DESTDIR)/doc \\

	$(DESTDIR)/doc/atk \\

	$(DESTDIR)/doc/ams \\

	$(DESTDIR)/help \\

	$(DESTDIR)/man \\

	$(DESTDIR)/dlib \\

	$(DESTDIR)/examples

}}
And (around line 63):


\smaller{\example{MkdirTarget($(DIRS))

}}
The latter should be expanded in your Makefile (around line 271 ?) to look 
like:


\example{\smaller{install.time:: makedirs

	@echo -n ''

install.doc:: makedirs

	@echo -n ''

makedirs::

	@echo "Checking Destination Directories...."

	@sh -c 'for i in $(DIRS);  do  \\

		if [ -f $$i ]; then  \\

			echo MkdirTarget: $$i is a FILE; \\

			exit 1; \\

		elif [ ! -d $$i ]; then  \\

			echo Making directory $$i; \\

			mkdir $$i; \\

		fi; \\

	done; \\

	exit 0'

}}
(there may be extra lines in the expansion consisting solely of '\\' - 
depending on Imake's translation of the macro)


If the first two do not check out - it sounds like you need a new top-level 
Imakefile.


If the last one does not check out - it sounds like you need to remake the 
top-level Makefile.


If they all check out - and /sunsrc/andrew_dir/ is indeed an empty, and 
writable directory - and you don't see the messages saying "Making directory 
[...]" then it sounds like there may be something wrong with your SHELL or 
filesystem, or something like that (i.e. I don't really have the foggiest...)


As a sample - you might want to take an excerpt of the top level Imakefile and 
create one that says something like:


----------------

DA = /tmp/foo_a /tmp/foo_b /tmp/foo_c /tmp/foo_d

DB = /tmp/bar_a \\

	/tmp/bar_b \\

	/tmp/bar_c


MkdirTarget($(DA))

MkdirTarget($(DB))

----------------

generate the Makefile for this against the Andrew config files (in the 
"normal" manner?) and then try running make on it -- It's about the only thing 
I can think of to try and really narrow down the problem.


Hope this helps, at least a little....


--fish




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From: "Lawrence R. Rogers" <lrr@Princeton.EDU>

Sun-4/280, running 4.0.3.  Everything is the default.

# cd /usr/src/andrew/atk/ness/doc
# make dependInstallmake DESTDIR=/usr/andrew install
Checking Destination Directories....
touch install.time
(ANDREWDIR=/usr/andrew; export ANDREWDIR; \
 CLASSPATH=/usr/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH; \
 WMHOST=; \
 /usr/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessauth.d)
sh: 7873 Illegal instruction - core dumped
*** Error code 132

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
# dbx /usr/andrew/bin/nessrun
Reading symbolic information...
Read 4843 symbols
(dbx) where
etext() at 0xbf350
etext() at 0xaa200
etext() at 0xaa370
etext() at 0xaa550
etext() at 0xa9d20
etext() at 0xa9dcc
etext() at 0xa2c50
etext() at 0xa2a98
etext() at 0xa2b44
class_NewObject() at 0x58ef4
main(argc = 3, argv = 0xf7fffe94), line 183 in "apps/runapp.c"
(dbx) 

What'd I do?  What can I do?  Thanks.

Larry Rogers

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>Why doesn't the documentation mention that this is necessary?  Is
>there something odd about my case, such that it works for most people
>without compiling statically?

I suspect there may be, 'cuz I've not had problems with dynamically
linking "runapp".  Perhaps there's a compiler problem (as would be
strongly suggested by the fact that turning the optimizer off seems to
make the problem go away)?
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Subject: Re: console gets bus error, other nasties -- PL 6

Yes, I know where to get gdb.  What I don't know is how to use it to
debug ATK dynamically loaded programs.  I believe (although I haven't
looked at the code) that the dynamic loader works by loading the
object code into malloc()'ed space, and then relinking it so that its
function calls, etc. point to the right place.  If this is correct,
then I don't see how gdb can figure out how to get at the symbol table
of the newly loaded module, and in fact, it doesn't figure this out.
(When I use gdb on a dynamically loaded program, most of the stack
trace consists of etext().)

How do you use gdb to debug dynamically loaded programs?

Carl Witty
cwitty@cs.stanford.edu
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Excerpts from misc: 23-Aug-90 Re: console gets bus error,.. Carl
Witty@jessica.stanf (670)

> How do you use gdb to debug dynamically loaded programs?

When you build the system set these flags in you site.mcr (*eight spaces
from left margin):

        CDEBUGFLAGS = -g
        MAKEDOFLAGS = -g -d ${BASEDIR}/lib -b ${BASEDIR}/bin

Build the system from scratch.

% gdb /usr/andrew/bin/runapp
gdb v3.5
gdb> run -d consoleapp -d

The first -d tells runapp to print out information about each module
that is linked in.  One piece of info will be the text segment address. 
The second -d tells runapp to not fork itself (ouch!).

When you get it to drop core look at the stack trace for the address at
which it died.  Then you can determine which module was responsible be
comparing to the various text addresses that runapp spews out.  After
you have determined which dynamic object you think it was, use to
'add-file' gdb command thusly: 
gdb> add-file /afs/andrew/..../text.dog <text-address-from-runapp>
Add symbol file for text.dog at <text-address-from-runapp>? (y or n) y
gdb> bt

So, you must have the complete filename of the .dog file to load and the
text-address given from gdb.

Gary Keim
ATK Group
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From: shelby!csli!cwitty@decwrl.dec.com  (Carl Witty)
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In article <9008231734.AA04087@nascar.Princeton.EDU> lrr@PRINCETON.EDU ("Lawrence R. Rogers") writes:
   What'd I do?  What can I do?  Thanks.

I had this problem myself.  It seems that "runapp" doesn't work for
some people on Sun 4's when it's dynamically linked (although it works
for others); see my previous message on the subject.

To see if this is your problem, try rebuilding runapp statically:

cd .../andrew/atk/apps
rm runapp
make install CDEBUGFLAGS='-O -Bstatic'

and see if nessrun works then.  If it does (or doesn't), tell me about
it--I'm conducting a survey to determine the scope of this problem.

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In article <3940@auspex.auspex.com> guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris)
   >writes: Why doesn't the documentation mention that this [linking
   >runapp statically] is necessary?  Is there something odd about my
   >case, such that it works for most people without compiling
   >statically?

   I suspect there may be, 'cuz I've not had problems with dynamically
   linking "runapp".  Perhaps there's a compiler problem (as would be
   strongly suggested by the fact that turning the optimizer off seems to
   make the problem go away)?

Interesting.  So dynamic loading (ATK-style) works for some people
with Sun-4's, and not for others.  How about a survey:  Mail me your
site.h and site.mcr, operating system version, machine type
(Sparcstation 1, Sun 4-110, etc.), version of X11, and whether
"runapp" works for you when it's dynamically linked (it doesn't for
me, it does for Guy.)  I'll look through these and see if I can find a
pattern.  Hopefully, this will narrow down the range of places to
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Subject:  Typescript under SunOS 4.1?

Anyone tried typescript on a Sun SparcStation running SunOS 4.1? 
Doesn't seem to work for me.  The interface window comes up, menus and
keystrokes work, but it doesn't seem to be communicating with the
sub-process shell.  Sometimes I don't get a prompt, and all input to the
sub-process seems to be ignored.

May just need to be re-linked.

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Well it finally works thanks to Gary Keim <gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu>.

Here is an extract from his message:

Here is my advice:  (1) rm -rf /sunsrc/andrew_dir/{*,.*}; (2) make Clean
in the andrew top-level; (3) chown cameron /sunsrc/andrew_dir; (3) exit
from root; (4) start the whole build process from scratch.

I was building Andrew on an RS/6000 yesterday and this problem was
happening to me.  It turned out to be that the cpp didn't define  the
proper symbolic for that platform.  Things break in wonderous ways
beyond our comprehension.

I have done this and it has succeeded so far (except the machine ran
out of processes but this is a minor detail).

-Cameron

Cameron Humphries
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In article <14951@csli.Stanford.EDU> cwitty@csli.Stanford.EDU (Carl Witty) writes:
   1) "console" compiled on a Sparcstation 1 gives a bus error in a
   function called by the application_Start() macro on line 202 of
   runapp.c.  It runs fine on a sun 3 or an IBM RT running AOS 4.3.  (The
   suns both run 4.0.3).

   How does one go about debugging this?  Normally, I'd go into a
   debugger and get a backtrace, to see where it died, and then look at
   the source code to see if I could figure out what was wrong.  With
   this dynamic loading stuff, I can't figure out how to get the debugger
   to tell me what function it died in, so I can't figure out how to
   start debugging it.

Thanks to Gary Keim <gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu> for sending me information
on debugging dynamically loaded programs.  Unfortunately, when I
attempted to recompile the offending parts with debugging information,
the problem went away.  His information was enough to localize the
function in which the core dump occurred, though, and I used
printf()'s (ugh) to find the line it was dumping core on: the problem
is in the file .../andrew/atk/console/lib/vmmon.c, InitStats(), around
line 61, which is:

    mask = sigblock(1 << (SIGCHLD - 1));

Since the problem goes away when optimization is turned off, it's
probably just a compiler bug.  (/bin/cc, SunOS 4.0.3c.  SparcStation 1.)

For now, I'll just compile that file without optimization.

Carl Witty
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Jason and others:


We plan on distribution of MacMail and associated products in Sept 1990. We have added your name to the list and will be sending instructions on how to proceed.


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\begindata{text,3407384}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
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menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
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attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
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Does the headmagic stuff in AMS work? I followed the instructions in the help 
file and created a ~/.headmagic file which contains the line:


	From: /bin/echo Mail arrived from %s > /dev/console


but to no avail. Iwas expecting to see lines like:


	Mail arrived from J Mukerji <jis@mtgzx.att.com>


appear on the console


What am I doing wrong? Do I need to set some preferences or change something 
in AndrewSetup to get it to work?


I am using AMS with the  upto patch 5 installed, running on a Sparcstation 
under SunOS 4.0.3.


Thanks.


\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

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From: Nicholas John Williams <njw@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
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Subject: Menus warping the cursor...

The menu cards have some strange behaviour at times...

If you do a single rapid click, to get the menus up and then move any
direction apart from upwards, after a certain distance, the menus are
thrown away. 

That's all well and good, but if you move away from the menus upwards,
then when it throws away the menus, it warps the cursor back to where it
the click occurred.

Why on earth does it do this?  I really dislike things that start moving
my cursor around, and this seems a particularly pointless use of
WarpCursor. And inconsistent.

Nick.
Nick Williams.
njw@athena.mit.edu ... Project Athena, M.I.T., Cambridge, MA 02139. USA
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From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!unizh!gorgo!sinkwitz@uunet.uu.net  (Rainer Sinkwitz)
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In article <Yap8zEIB0KGW01iotd@holmes.parc.xerox.com> 
  janssen@parc.xerox.com (Bill Janssen) writes:

>Anyone tried typescript on a Sun SparcStation running SunOS 4.1? 
>Doesn't seem to work for me.  The interface window comes up, menus and
>keystrokes work, but it doesn't seem to be communicating with the
>sub-process shell.  Sometimes I don't get a prompt, and all input to the
>sub-process seems to be ignored.

With me typescript shows the same behaviour. My workstation is running 
under SunOS 4.1 whereas the binaries have been compiled under SunOS 4.0.3.
When I run the same binaries on another workstation which still runs 4.0.3
everything is ok. Funny, isn't it ?

Since all the binaries of X11 and Andrew have been compiled under SunOS 4.0.3
the only difference could probably be /usr/lib/libc which has changed 
from V1.3 to V1.5 . One could link V1.3 statically into runapp then.


Thanks,...
Dept. of Computer Science  |     {backbone}!mcsun!unizh!sinkwitz
University of Zuerich      |         K114920@CZHRZU1A.bitnet
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Thanks,...

Rainer Sinkwitz            | E-mail: sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Aug-90 eatmail and 
AMS (messages) .. J Mukerji@mtgzx.att.com (1543+1)}


\quotation{While reconstructing the folder one is prompted as follows:

}
\quotation{CUI> How do you want to sort the reconstructed folder

}\quotation{    1 - By time stamp on the raw files

}\quotation{    2 - By parsing the 'Date' header (slower; sets time stamps)

}\quotation{Choose one [1 - By time stamp on the raw files]:

}
\quotation{I selected 2 hoping that  I would get the timestamps set right on 
the files so that the right sending times would be reflected in the captions 
when the folder is viewed in messages. Unfortunately, that is not to be. 
Although the messages get sorted correctly, the timestamps do get set, but in 
the captions messages  displays the time at which the message was moved from 
PCS form to the AMS folder.}


This is accounted for by overambitiousness of the reconstruct command.  During 
a reconstruction, CUI attempts to determine whether the old captions are 
salvageable.  If so, it does not bother creating captions anew, it simply uses 
the old ones.  The idea behind salvaging old captions is that, with FLAMES, it 
is possible to create customized captions, and if you have customized captions 
around, you'd prefer to keep them.  (A few other items, such as message 
attributes, also get salvaged if possible.)


Right now, the only good way to ensure that new captions always get created is 
to remove the .MS_MsgDir file from the directory being reconstructed.  If I 
felt that this problem was serious enough, I could be persuaded to modify the 
user interface of CUI to ask whether or not it should try to salvage old 
captions.  Salvaging old captions but replacing the date in them (which would 
be another approach) is difficult because you can't guarantee, in the presence 
of customizable captions, where the newly-calculated date should go (if it 
should even go anywhere).  Other suggestions?

\typewriter{\smaller{\smaller{
______________                  _____________________________

Bob Glickstein                | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu

Information Technology Center | Bitnet:   bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet

Carnegie Mellon University    | UUCP:     ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg

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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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Subject: Re: Typescript under SunOS 4.1?
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>With me typescript shows the same behaviour. My workstation is running 
>under SunOS 4.1 whereas the binaries have been compiled under SunOS 4.0.3.
>When I run the same binaries on another workstation which still runs 4.0.3
>everything is ok. Funny, isn't it ?

Not entirely unexpected - SunOS 4.1's job control and tty mechanisms
have been POSIXized, and stuff that may work under earlier releases to
set up ttys may not work quite the same in 4.1.

>Since all the binaries of X11 and Andrew have been compiled under SunOS 4.0.3
>the only difference could probably be /usr/lib/libc which has changed 
>from V1.3 to V1.5.

No, actually, there's another "library", if you will, that changed,
namely "/vmunix", and...

> One could link V1.3 statically into runapp then.

...you can't statically link "/vmunix" into "runapp".  (I.e., the
semantics of some system calls may have changed.)

Not having 4.1 nor its documentation handy at this moment, I can't
investigate further, but check whether the release notes or change notes
or something such as that discusses this.
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Sounds to me like the right thing to try is to rebuild under 4.1.  I'll
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Bill
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There is a small bug in the YP aliases support in \bold{ams/libs/ms/mswp.c} 
introduced in Patch 6.  Line 2283 should read


\typewriter{\smaller{    static char *LocalYPDomain = NULL;

}}
instead of


\typewriter{\smaller{    static char *ThisYPDomain = NULL;

}}
You will not see this problem unless you have 
\typewriter{\smaller{YELLOWPAGES_ENV}} set in your \bold{site.h} file.



\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

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Subject: Question about Table...


I just started trying out table recently, and I have a question...
Is it possible to refer to a cell in another table?  For example, if
 it is used for kkeping track of some bugdets, it would be nice to be 
able to set up something to keep a different table for each budget, and
possibly have a table with all the subtotals and overall total, with
cell for each of the subtotals referring to  the appropriate cell in another
table.  If it isn't possbile to do with the current version of table, has
anyone considered adding such a feature?  The advantage of keeping
multiple tables is that one may be able to easily print out each of them,
whereas if they are all in one table, then it can be difficult to get part of
the table printed out (though not impossible...). Any ideas or suggestions?


Thanks,
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Well I have built andrew on a Sun4/260 under SunOS4.1

Some Problems:

typescript --> does not work. The window pops up and I get my prompt
but it does not respond to any keystrokes. Thankfully menus work so
I can quit.

nessrun --> does not work. I have had three different runapps and
all lead to the same result (dynamically linked and optimized,
statically linked and optimized, and statically linked). They all
dump core at a similar point in the build.

building (dependInstall) (/ada/andrew/atk/ness/doc)
make DESTDIR=/sunsrc/andrew_dir install
Checking Destination Directories....
touch install.time
(ANDREWDIR=/sunsrc/andrew_dir; export ANDREWDIR; \
 CLASSPATH=/sunsrc/andrew_dir/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH; \
 WMHOST=; \
 /sunsrc/andrew_dir/bin/nessrun present.n nessauth.d)
Starting nessrun (Version 1.3, ATK 15.0); please wait...
sh: 15828 Memory fault - core dumped
*** Error code 139
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `nessauth.doc'

Most other apps seem to be functioning OK. I haven't tried them all
yet since I have to cross-compile the fonts for our Labtam Xttys
which run an Intel 80960 (litle-endian) CPU.

-Cameron

Cameron Humphries
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In article <Added.Eao9gGW00Udf4Pe09g@andrew.cmu.edu> bill@allegra.tempo.nj.att.com (Bill Schell) writes:

>Has anyone else had problems like the following under patch level 6?

>I just put up andrew from scratch (patch level 6).  All seems to work
>fine except console and help.  When console is started, it will pause
>for about two minutes only displaying "Initializing default.." in a
>blank window. It then will work normally, after displaying
>
>"console:<OpenConsoleSocket> gethostbyname failed  (12:54:00 PM )
>
>in its text window.

Because I have the problem below, I tried using console for the first time
today, and found that it core dumps (bus error) for me.  dbx was of little
help in determining where the problem lies.

>Help does a similar thing.  After I type 'help'  it sits for a few minutes
>and then prints out:
>
>	"No 'localhost' found in host table; creating new window."
>
>However, localhost is in my /etc/hosts as:
>127.1           localhost loopback loghost

I have had this problem since I applied earlier andrew patches
(unfortunately, I applied patches 1-5 in a lump, so I don't know which  
patch actually caused the problem).  As far as I know, this problem does
not occur in the unpatched (X11R4) distribution.  BTW, my localhost is
127.0.0.1, in both my /etc/hosts and under yp.

Jon



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\quotation{>Help does a similar thing.  After I type 'help'  it sits for a few 
minutes

}\quotation{>and then prints out:

}\quotation{>

}\quotation{>	"No 'localhost' found in host table; creating new window."

}\quotation{>

}\quotation{>However, localhost is in my /etc/hosts as:

}\quotation{>127.1           localhost loopback loghost

}

I built Andrew (patch6) on a Sun4_40 machine here at CMU.  I had RESOLVER_ENV 
defined and RESOLVLIB set to /usr/lib/libresolv.a.  The machine had an 
/etc/hosts that was extensive and included an entry for a remote named(8) 
server.  I was experiencing the problems described previously.  The machine 
did NOT have an /etc/resolv.conf file.  I put one on the machine and 
everything was golden.  That file maps named(8) servers to internet 
dot-notation.


(fallscreek)gk5g> \bold{cat /etc/resolv.conf}

nameserver	128.2.35.50

nameserver	128.2.84.1

nameserver	128.2.13.21


I don't know if this file is absolutely necessary in the default case. 
 Documentation for resolver(5) says:


\indent{\tempindentneg1{\bold{DESCRIPTION 

}}The resolver configuration file contains information that is read by the 
resolver routines the first time they are invoked by a process. The file is 
designed to be human readable and contains a list of name-value pairs that 
provide various types of resolver information. 


On a normally configured system this file should not be necessary. The only 
name server to be queried will be on the local machine and the domain name is 
retrieved from the system. 

}
Anyone have additional knowledge on this subject?   The failure that has been 
reported is with gethostbyname(3n):


\indent{\italic{Gethostbyname }and \italic{gethostbyaddr }each return a 
pointer to an object with the following structure. This structure contains 
either the information obtained from the name server, \italic{named}(8), or 
broken-out fields from a line in \italic{/etc/hosts}. If the local name server 
is not running these routines do a lookup in \italic{/etc/hosts}. 

}
My (admittedly limited) understanding:


First the resolver (via gethostbyname(3n)) tries a remote name server, then 
one running on the local machine if it exists, and finally it'll look in 
/etc/hosts.  If you have a name server on your local machine you don't need 
/etc/resolv.conf.  If you have a remote name server you need /etc/resolv.conf. 
 And finally, if you aren't using the resolver you only need /etc/hosts.  It 
would seem to me that the resolver should consult /etc/hosts if it can't 
access the name server.  It doesn't seem to be doing that.


Will those of you who are experiencing this problem please mail me the answers 
to these questions:


1) machine and configuration.

2) RESOLVER_ENV defined?

3) RESOLVLIB defined or using libc?

4) Running a local name server?

5) Using a remote name server?


Thanks,

Gary Keim

ATK Group

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