\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 15:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from megaron.cs.arizona.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 3 Apr 91 15:56:25 EST Received: from cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu by megaron.cs.arizona.edu (5.61/15) via SMTP id AA01347; Wed, 3 Apr 91 13:56:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 13:56:16 MST From: "Chunghwa H. Rao" Message-Id: <9104032056.AA10468@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> Received: by cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu; Wed, 3 Apr 91 13:56:16 MST To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: question I try to install Andrew on Sparc 1 running Sun OS 4.1 without AFS. When running `messages' and `amsdemo', I got the message Starting messages (Version 7.14, ATK 14.2); please wait... Illegal instruction Does one know how to fix it? Thank you in advance. Herman Rao \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 1368} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 1991 16:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 1991 16:23:53 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from dewey.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 1991 16:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dewey.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.dewey.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_40; Wed, 3 Apr 1991 16:21:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1991 16:21:03 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 339+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: AMDS: .mspath default mappings \begindata{text,3523688} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Can one override the default folder-name to directory mappings that are kept in ~/.AMS.prof? I'm speaking of the variables $local, $external, and $official that are identified in mailconf.c. Assuming these variables can't be overridden, what part of andrew would need to be rebuilt in order the change the mappings listed in ~/.AMS.prof?\ \enddata{text,3523688} \enddata{text822, 1368} \begindata{text822, 3028} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:10:53 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA14739; Wed, 3 Apr 91 13:57:53 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 3 Apr 91 21:40:54 GMT From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica!macado.cica.indiana.edu!mcmullen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rick McMullen) Organization: IU Center for Innovative Computer Applications Subject: variable names in eq Message-Id: <1991Apr3.214054.22788@cica.indiana.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I would like to create equations with varibles of more than one letter, such as "cell". Eq seems to only allow single letter variables, resulting in C output with "cell" rendered as "c*e*l*l", or the number "10" as "1*0" (very annoying). Is there a way to define variables as special symbols while eq is running? Rick McMullen The Center for Innovative Computer Application Indiana University Bloomington, IN 47405 mcmullen@ucs.indiana.edu \enddata{text822, 3028} \begindata{text822, 4806} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:28:08 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:28:02 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 3 Apr 91 17:31:17 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Wed, 3 Apr 1991 17:31:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8byZSku0M2YtQ7oqFE@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1991 17:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: AMDS: .mspath default mappings In-Reply-To: References: These are all things you can set in the AndrewSetup file. For example, our AndrewSetup file includes the following lines: LocalBboardRoot: /fs/bambam/usr3/andrew-bb/.MESSAGES DefaultMSPath: $MAIL:$LOCAL This redefines $local and makes $external and $official irrelevant. Type "help AndreSetup" for more details. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 4806} \begindata{text822, 6636} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 18:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 18:32:15 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 Apr 91 18:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.0.1.813.EzMail.1.1.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Wed, 3 Apr 91 18:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 18:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 163+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: AMDS: .mspath default mappings Cc: In-Reply-To: <8byZSku0M2YtQ7oqFE@thumper.bellcore.com> References: , <8byZSku0M2YtQ7oqFE@thumper.bellcore.com> \begindata{text, 127654826} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Though not mentioned in NSB's post (which is correct) - The AndrewSetup file is read at runtime - thus, once changed, you do NOT need to rebuild anything. --fish \enddata{text, 127654826} \enddata{text822, 6636} \begindata{text822, 8300} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1017;andrew.cmu.edu;Maria G. Wadlow Received: from pennhills.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 4 Apr 1991 11:06:03 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from pennhills.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 4 Apr 1991 11:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pennhills.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.pennhills.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 4 Apr 1991 11:00:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1991 11:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Maria G. Wadlow" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 482+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: variable names in eq In-Reply-To: <1991Apr3.214054.22788@cica.indiana.edu> References: <1991Apr3.214054.22788@cica.indiana.edu> \begindata{text,270250608} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 3-Apr-91 variable names in eq Rick McMullen@ucbvax.Ber (445)} \quotation{I would like to create equations with varibles of more than one }\quotation{letter, such as "cell". Eq seems to only allow single letter variables, }\quotation{resulting in C output with "cell" rendered as "c*e*l*l", or the number "10" }\quotation{as "1*0" (very annoying). Is there a way to define variables as special }\quotation{symbols while eq is running? } No, this is not possible in the current system. Maria Wadlow \enddata{text,270250608} \enddata{text822, 8300} \begindata{text822, 10180} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:00:12 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA29707; Fri, 5 Apr 91 14:55:59 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Apr 91 21:25:50 GMT From: meaddata!caesar@uunet.uu.net (Caesar Naples) Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Subject: VUI using alias Message-Id: <3757@meaddata.meaddata.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Is there any easy way to get vui to recognize mail aliases? (specifically the ones set in the /etc/aliases file) Thanks, Caesar caesar@meaddata.com \enddata{text822, 10180} \begindata{text822, 11576} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 7 Apr 91 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Apr 91 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elrond.ida.liu.se by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 7 Apr 91 14:38:34 EDT Received: from math.liu.se by elrond.ida.liu.se with SMTP (5.61-bind 1.5X+ida/IDA-1.2.8-mc2.5-2) id AA22893; Sun, 7 Apr 91 20:38:27 +0200 Received: by math.liu.se (4.1/SMI-4.0(main 1.15)-2) id AA13819; Sun, 7 Apr 91 20:38:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 20:38:25 +0200 From: oldam@math.liu.se (Olof Damberg) Message-Id: <9104071838.AA13819@math.liu.se> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: AMDS in an non-AFS environment ? I am considering setting up AMDS here at our site, in order to be able to handle mail, bboards, netnews etc. in a consistent fashion. However, after having consulted the available documents in the Andrew distribution, and after having watched the traffic in the info-andrew newsgroup for quite a while, I have realized that this is not an easy task. The huge number of parameters which need to be set to get the delivery system up and running is a discouraging factor. I also find that if you are in an non-AFS environment, then the installation procedure is not as well defined as in an AFS environment. Furthermore, we do not have AFS specific programs such as 'mpp' and 'package', which are needed (?) to build and maintain the delivery system. The AMDS installation doc 'AMDS.ins' says that AMDS will also work in an non-AFS environment, so my question is: Is it possible to run AMDS in an NFS environment ? (I do not expect it to be at all trivial, but I hope it is manageable.) If there are sites out there running AMDS (perhaps with bboards and netnews etc.) in an NFS environment, I would be very grateful if they could share their experiences with me. Was it worth the trouble ? (I would surely appreciate anything from the smallest hint to copies of setup files, scripts etc. with the parameters used at your site.) Many thanks! ----- Olof Damberg | email: oldam@math.liu.se Dept of Math, Linkoping University | phone: +46 13 281473 S-581 83 Linkoping, SWEDEN | fax: +46 13 100746 Some site-info: A net of Sun4's (2 servers and ~40 diskless clients) running SUNOS 4.0.3 (soon 4.1.1) and NFS. ATK patchlevel 9. X11R4 patchlevel 18. \enddata{text822, 11576} \begindata{text822, 14379} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:22:29 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:22:27 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:25:43 edt Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1991 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: VUI using alias In-Reply-To: <3757@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3757@meaddata.meaddata.com> All the AMS interfaces should validate with the /usr/lib/aliases file, although they won't do any header-rewriting based on that file. See the "AMS_AliasesValidation" documentaton in the AndrewSetup help file for more informaton. \enddata{text822, 14379} \begindata{text822, 16076} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 13:04:19 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1991 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1076+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , oldam@math.liu.se (Olof Damberg) Subject: Re: AMDS in an non-AFS environment ? In-Reply-To: <9104071838.AA13819@math.liu.se> References: <9104071838.AA13819@math.liu.se> \begindata{text,18437004} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} AMDS is a local mail delivery system. I doubt that you really want to run it unless you're also running AFS or something a lot like it. In particular, it's most useful within a single naming environment; you could run it on a single machine, or in any collection of machines that share files, where a given file has the same name everywhere. (This is the standard situation with AFS.) It sounds as though you simply want to run AMS, which is a collection of user agents and often a daemon that manages public folder trees. AMS user interfaces allow users to treat their personal mail and the public folders (local bboards, netnews, mailing lists) as variants of one another. The short version of how that works is like this: Every user gets to build a folder tree for their own mail. You can invent distinguished pseudo-users in the system whose folders are open for public read access, that are used as the local public bboards, and that are updated by daemons running as one or more of these pseudo-users (absorbing netnews and what-not). Hope this helps. Craig \enddata{text,18437004} \enddata{text822, 16076} \begindata{text822, 18616} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdgw1.ge.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:47:34 EDT Received: from wscad4 .steinmetz (wscad4.crd.ge.com)by crdgw1.ge.com (5.57/GE 1.96) id AA10042; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:47:26 EDT Received: by wscad4 .steinmetz (5.57/1.1x Steinmetz) id AA00586; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:44:32 EDT Posted-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 91 13:44:27 EDT Message-Id: <9104081744.AA00586@wscad4 .steinmetz> To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Rosenberg, et al Paper Date: Mon, 08 Apr 91 13:44:27 EDT From: uejiowh@wscad4.crd.ge.com I saw a reference to a paper by Rosenberg, et al, called "Translating Among Processable Multi-Media Document Formats Using ODA". If someone could send me a copy, e-mail or snail, it would be greatly appreciated or tell me where to get a copy. thanks in advance, Wayne Uejio General Electric CRD Disclaimer: opinions uejiowh@crd.ge.com KWC-275 expressed are my own Office: 518-387-6441 P.O. Box 8 and not the company's Fax: 518-387-7080 Schenectady NY 12301 opinion. \enddata{text822, 18616} \begindata{text822, 20301} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1342;andrew.cmu.edu;Mark Sherman Received: from mss.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 15:02:09 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from mss.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 14:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mss.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.mss.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 8 Apr 1991 14:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1991 14:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Sherman X-Andrew-Message-Size: 266+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Rosenberg, et al Paper In-Reply-To: <9104081744.AA00586@wscad4 .steinmetz> References: <9104081744.AA00586@wscad4 .steinmetz> \begindata{text,270208228} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The paper "Translating Among Processable Multi-Media Document Formats Using ODA" was published in the \italic{Proceedings of the ACM Conference on Document Processing Systems}, 1988. Copies are available by sending a request to info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu. -Mark \enddata{text,270208228} \enddata{text822, 20301} \begindata{text822, 21852} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 13:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 13:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IBM.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 9 Apr 91 13:57:16 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 4838; Tue, 09 Apr 91 10:57:28 PDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 91 12:55:37 CDT Received: via switchmail; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 12:55:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 12:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 12:55:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 12:55:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1991 12:55:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 667+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference \begindata{text,538878472} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I have been checking into just how difficult it would be to add a \italic{messages.FwdHeaders} preference to messages that can select headers to excerpt when a message is to be forwarded (much like \italic{messages.KeyHeaders} selects headers to view when reading). I have tracked through the code down to \typewriter{MS_NameReplyFile} in \typewriter{ams/libs/ms/reply.c}. The content of the message appears to be blindly copied in \typewriter{MS_NameReplyFile}. How can I get a preference down into that code? I don't know ams very well, but I assume that we are no longer in ATK-land down here. Do I really have to add another argument to n functions, or is there some nifty feature I am overlooking? -todd inglett \enddata{text,538878472} \enddata{text822, 21852} \begindata{text822, 24534} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 14:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 14:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 9 Apr 91 14:49:16 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 91 14:49:11 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 91 14:52:30 edt Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 14:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1991 14:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference In-Reply-To: References: Well, you've found the right place. In particular, there's the case that starts with case AMS_REPLY_FORWARD: case AMS_REPLY_FORWARD_FMT: which is where the action really begins. Unfortunately, the headers are handled differently for the two cases, so you'll need to handle both. (The difference is whether the forwarded message was already in Andrew format, or not. In one case, the work is done by EmitBE2Prefix... while in the other case the headers aren't treated any differently from the body.) The good news is that, since you are indeed no longer in ATK-land, the code you need to read preferences is really quite simple. Just use getprofile, as in char *s = getprofile("fwdheaders"); (Note that you don't really want "messages.FwdHeaders" because you want preferences like *.fwdheaders to affect cui, vui, etc.) Since that was your only specific question, I'll stop here, except to say that I don't think this should be too difficult, but won't be totally trivial either since the headers are currently being just "block copied" into the forwarded message. Good luck. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 24534} \begindata{text822, 27142} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 16:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 16:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 9 Apr 91 16:24:33 EDT Received: from LAKOTA.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14836; Tue, 9 Apr 91 16:24:28 EDT Received: by lakota.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA00109; Tue, 9 Apr 91 16:24:25 -0400 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lakota.vax.43 via MS.5.6.lakota.vax_43; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 16:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8c0W=rsGG02=FobNA2@athena.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1991 16:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cattey To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Using im_AddZombieHandler I was looking into solving the following problem. An ez user starts up a print job but has insufficient swap space. The print job silently dies. The user waits forever. I was going to add code to handle SIGCHLD, but I see there is already extensive code that does just what I was going to write in the guise of AddZombieHandler. Do you know where this code is used, so I can see an example? Do you see any problems with using this inside print? -wdc \enddata{text822, 27142} \begindata{text822, 28848} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 20:31:34 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.0.1.813.EzMail.1.1.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 794+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference Cc: In-Reply-To: References: , \begindata{text, 238413994} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} NSB Writes: > The good news is that, since you are indeed no longer in ATK-land, the > code you need to read preferences is really quite simple. Just use > getprofile, as in > > char *s = getprofile("fwdheaders"); I'm not positive, but I think that the getprofile() function returns a pointer to a centrally allocated string - which can be overwritten by any other call to getprofile - therefore you might want to malloc storage or assume some maximum length array to store the information in, so you don't have to make the call each time you forward a message. (depends on how you view the overhead of the function call with respect to the overhead of a newly malloc'd char * - presumably static and initialized to NULL so you can tell if you've already gotten the information.) --fish \enddata{text, 238413994} \enddata{text822, 28848} \begindata{text822, 31006} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:20:21 EDT Received: from TWNMOE10.edu.tw (MAILER@TWNMOE10) by BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU with PMDF#10110; Tue, 9 Apr 1991 22:20 EST Received: from twnitri1.bitnet (MAILER) by TWNMOE10.edu.tw (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5759; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:19:32 EST Received: from x1sun2.itri.org.tw. by ersob.itri.org.tw with INTERNET ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:19:47 CDT Received: by x1sun2.itri.org.tw. (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA00998; Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:19:08 CST Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 10:19:07 U From: wksung@x1sun2.itri.org.tw Subject: Batmail To: info-andrew%andrew.cmu.edu%x1sun2.itri.org.tw@twnitri1.bitnet Message-Id: <9104100219.AA00998@x1sun2.itri.org.tw.> X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. Could anyone tell me where I can get a copy of batmail? -Sung \enddata{text822, 31006} \begindata{text822, 32482} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 10:57:49 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 10:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 10:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c0mQYr0BwwOQE=Yp6@transarc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1991 10:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1075+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Adam Stoller Subject: Re: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference In-Reply-To: References: , \begindata{text,18949364} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 9-Apr-91 Re: Want messages.FwdHeader.. Adam Stoller (794+0)} \quotation{I'm not positive, but I think that the getprofile() function returns a }\quotation{pointer to a centrally allocated string - which can be overwritten by }\quotation{any other call to getprofile } I looked at the ``getprofile'' source code. The function returns a pointer to a centrally-allocated string, but it is not overwritten by any other call to getprofile(). In fact, your profile is loaded exactly once, into a permanently-malloc'ed data structure, and subsequent calls to getprofile() will return pointers to parts of that data structure. Thus, you can go ahead and call getprofile() and use its result without worrying about de-allocating it. In fact, you must never deallocate the char* pointers that getprofile() returns to you. Thus, contrary to Adam's fears, you can call getprofile("fwdheaders") once, save the resultant char* result, and use it as many times as you like. (Of course, you should view the returned data as read-only; don't modify it in place or anything.) Craig \enddata{text,18949364} \enddata{text822, 32482} \begindata{text822, 35174} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:03:15 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA02689; Wed, 10 Apr 91 08:31:44 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Apr 91 14:27:50 GMT From: adm!lhc!usenet@nyu.edu (usenet news poster) Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Md. Subject: Searching for AMS User documentation Message-Id: <1991Apr10.142750.3762@nlm.nih.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Does anyone know where I can find user documentation for AMS? Is there any that comes with it? I stress the word USER documentation. Stuff that will show how one goes about using the special features (and even the simple features) of the "messages" program. We have just brought AMS up here at NIH. I have looked through the demo folder but there is not much info on how to actually use the mailing system (ie including images, spreadsheets, animations, etc in mail messages). Rob, aka "AMS: A Male Specimen" \enddata{text822, 35174} \begindata{text822, 36998} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 12:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1991 12:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1586+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Searching for AMS User documentation In-Reply-To: <1991Apr10.142750.3762@nlm.nih.gov> References: <1991Apr10.142750.3762@nlm.nih.gov> \begindata{text,18949364} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} There are two classes of glitz in the demo folder: - document content glitz (images, spreadsheets, animations) - AMS-proper glitz (votes, confirmations, WP validation) Document-content glitz is available not only in Messages, but in any ATK application. Principally, you can use the ``ez'' editor, which by default will create a text object (editing a text file), and you can insert new glitz-objects (``insets'') at any point with the esc-tab sequence. Once you pick an inset (raster (image), table (spreadsheet), fad (animation)), you get to use all the facilities of that inset's editor. I don't know if there's a listing of all the insets that can be included via esc-tab. But once you've picked one to insert, you can either fool around with the input editor or look at its documentation (generally installed under ANDREWDIR/doc/atk; there's a ``Readme.doc'' file in that directory). As for the AMS-specific glitz, you generally get at that in Messages by selecting the ``Add Special Headers'' menu item on the ``Other'' card within the message-composition window in Messages or Sendmessage. Selecting this menu item brings up a dialog box that asks which option you wish that the message you're composing use (e.g. asking for receipt confirmation, asking for a multiple-choice (``vote'') response, describing an enclosure, inviting receivers to subscribe to a folder, or inviting receivers to redistribute a message to additional recipients). After you select one of these, you're asked one or more questions appropriate to the desired action. Does this help? Craig \enddata{text,18949364} \enddata{text822, 36998} \begindata{text822, 40027} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:46:01 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA05203; Wed, 10 Apr 91 09:43:58 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Apr 91 14:45:15 GMT From: adm!lhc!usenet@nyu.edu (usenet news poster) Organization: National Instittes of Health, Bethesda, Md. Subject: Correct Reply-To (Searching for AMS User documentation) Message-Id: <1991Apr10.144515.4065@nlm.nih.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Sorry. my Reply-To field was screwed up the first time. [ Does anyone know where I can find user documentation for AMS? Is there any that comes with it? I stress the word USER documentation. Stuff that will show how one goes about using the special features (and even the simple features) of the "messages" program. We have just brought AMS up here at NIH. I have looked through the demo folder but there is not much info on how to actually use the mailing system (ie including images, spreadsheets, animations, etc in mail messages). Rob, aka "AMS: A Male Specimen" ] e-mail: rmalick@alw.nih.gov \enddata{text822, 40027} \begindata{text822, 41966} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 13:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 10 Apr 91 13:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for ghoti+; Wed, 10 Apr 91 13:42:53 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 10 Apr 91 13:42:50 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for ghoti+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 10 Apr 91 13:46:09 edt Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Wed, 10 Apr 1991 13:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1991 13:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference Cc: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com, Adam Stoller In-Reply-To: <4c0mQYr0BwwOQE=Yp6@transarc.com> References: , , <4c0mQYr0BwwOQE=Yp6@transarc.com> I think that in this case Adam was right, which is not surprising, and Craig was wrong, which is considerably more unusual. I think that if the "refreshprofile" routine (or something like that) ever gets called, the storage does indeed get reclaimed. Refreshprofile gets called by "setprofilestring" which is called, at least, by the "Set Options" code in Messages. (Craig probably missed this because setprof.c and profile.c are separate files, and he was probably looking only at the latter.) So, the moral is, if you want to keep it around, it might indeed be prudent to make a copy of anything returned by getprofile. This is what the messageserver typically does -- see ams/libs/ms/init.c for examples. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 41966} \begindata{text822, 44392} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 13 Apr 91 06:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 13 Apr 91 06:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 13 Apr 91 06:05:59 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA20932; Sat, 13 Apr 91 03:00:41 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Apr 91 09:46:58 GMT From: oscar.tn.cornell.edu!grossman@THEORY.TN.CORNELL.EDU Organization: IBM Supercomputing Technology Center Subject: AMDS post office machine Message-Id: <1991Apr13.094658.15527@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've named my cell theory.cornell.edu, but I'm unable to get a machine named "theory.cornell.edu" right now for various political reasons. Will amds will work properly if I have the post office machine aliased to some other machine? Thus, if I have a machine "elmo.tn.cornell.edu", will an MX record for theory.cornell.edu pointing at elmo.tn.cornell.edu work? At least enough to bring it all up, test, demo, and convince these people to give me the right name? Thanks. -- David Grossman INTERNET: grossman@theory.tn.cornell.edu IBM Supercomputing Technology Center VNET: DJG at RHQVM21 Engineering and Theory Center Bldg. PHONE: (607) 254-8628 Hoy Rd. \enddata{text822, 44392} \begindata{text822, 46380} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 18:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 17:59:42 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from dewey.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 17:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dewey.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.dewey.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_40; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 17:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c2Anwy0ts5J0JPFET@alw.nih.gov> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1991 17:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 672+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: AMDS post office machine In-Reply-To: <1991Apr13.094658.15527@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> References: <1991Apr13.094658.15527@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> \begindata{text,3006792} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} We had a similar problem at our work place. It is possible to install AMDS using post office machines that are named something other than the cell name. We recently completed an AMDS installation on our cell, alw.nih.gov, without using administrative access on the machine whose name is alw.nih.gov. We use an MX forwarding trick, like the one you describe, though for slightly different purposes. As long as your incoming and outgoing sendmail headers are doctored to match the name of your cell, it shouldn't matter what physical machine you choose to serve as an AMDS post office. Bob Dew National Institutes of Health Bethesda MD rdew@alw.nih.gov (301) 496-5361\ \enddata{text,3006792} \enddata{text822, 46380} \begindata{text822, 48508} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 91 09:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 91 09:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carla.dist.unige.it by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 15 Apr 91 09:38:07 EDT Received: from jrc.UUCP by carla.dist.unige.it with UUCP (5.61++/IDA-1.2.8) id AA12591; Mon, 15 Apr 91 15:43:15 +0200 Received: from kbs2.isei.jrc.it (kms1) by jrc.it; Mon, 15 Apr 91 15:24:30 +0100 Received: by kbs2.isei.jrc.it (4.0/JRC-S-1.2) id AA03601; Mon, 15 Apr 91 15:29:04 +0200 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it.sun4_40; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 15:29:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 15:29:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: manfred kohl To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: SCO unix Did anybody compile andrew for SCO unix ? Saluti Manfred Kohl m_kohl@jrc.it Joint Research Center of the EC \enddata{text822, 48508} \begindata{text822, 50013} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 91 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 91 09:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IBM.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 15 Apr 91 09:52:28 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0658; Mon, 15 Apr 91 06:52:42 PDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 14 Apr 91 13:51:49 CDT Received: via switchmail; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 13:51:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 13:50:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 13:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Sun, 14 Apr 1991 13:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1991 13:50:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 866+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference In-Reply-To: <4c0mQYr0BwwOQE=Yp6@transarc.com> References: , <4c0mQYr0BwwOQE=Yp6@transarc.com> \begindata{text,538791944} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Ok, no problem. I finally got some time to add a \italic{*.FwdHeaders} preference to messages (and I think I got the two cases right). However, it only seems to work if I use the name \italic{*.FwdHeaders} or just \italic{FwdHeaders} in my preferences. If the program name is used, like \italic{messages.FwdHeaders} or \italic{sendmessage.FwdHeaders}, it is ignored. I am simply doing a \typewriter{getprofile("fwdheaders")} in reply.c. I declared an \typewriter{extern char *ProgramName} in reply.c and printed it out and got a null string. Who sets the program name? (This is getting rather interesting...) Also, after looking at overhead/util/lib/profile.c, I noticed that $ANDREWDIR/lib/global.prf is also searched. Does anyone else use this (is it documented?)? I'd like to set a default for my *.FwdHeader preference here for our site. (I assume other sites will want the full set of headers by default). -todd inglett \enddata{text,538791944} \enddata{text822, 50013} \begindata{text822, 53142} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 861+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: alter To: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: cross-cell delivery CC: Robert Steven Glickstein , "Michael J. McInerny" , Tom Neuendorffer , Susan Straub , Gary Keim In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,18731580} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Grump. Looks like I had bcc's off the day I sent that patch. (This was for the AMS_CrossCellQueueLifetime option.) I sent it to at least the contents of this CC: list at Andrew, on 4/8. There were three messages: one with patches for lots of files, and two with typos I had made in .../trymail.c. If I'm lucky, one of the CC: recipients of this message still has the three messages. If so, would you please re-send them to John? Gary Keim seems to have installed it in the ITC's source tree, so you could look there for the changes installed in the evening of 4/9. The files affected were: \leftindent{overhead/util/lib/setup.help overhead/mail/hdrs/mailconf.h overhead/mail/lib/mailconf.c overhead/pobbconf/pobbscpt.c overhead/pobbconf/AMS-Server.pobb ams/delivery/trymail/wkstr.h ams/delivery/trymail/trymail.c ams/delivery/trymail/strong.c } Good luck, Craig \enddata{text,18731580} \enddata{text822, 53142} \begindata{text822, 55467} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 13:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 256+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: SCO unix In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,269926916} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Apr-91 SCO unix manfred kohl@cen.jrc.it (110)} \quotation{Did anybody compile andrew for SCO unix ? } Yes. The kind person who did the port (Curt Galloway) sent us the changes allowing nominal SCO unix support in patch10. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,269926916} \enddata{text822, 55467} \begindata{text822, 57140} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 14:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 358+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , grossman@theory.tn.cornell.edu Subject: Re: AMDS post office machine In-Reply-To: <4c2Anwy0ts5J0JPFET@alw.nih.gov> References: <1991Apr13.094658.15527@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> <4c2Anwy0ts5J0JPFET@alw.nih.gov> \begindata{text,18731580} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The only downside of not having some PO machine be the same name as the cell name is that somebody out there will try sending mail to the From: address of a message (foo@theory.cornell.edu) without using MX records to get there. Certainly you should be able to get a good bit working before requiring a machine with the same name as the cell name. Craig \enddata{text,18731580} \enddata{text822, 57140} \begindata{text822, 58993} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 91 21:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 15 Apr 91 21:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 15 Apr 91 21:05:36 EDT Received: from radcliff.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.168.72]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16193>; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 18:04:53 PDT Received: by radcliff.parc.xerox.com id <2095>; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 18:01:40 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.radcliff.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.radcliff.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Mon, 15 Apr 1991 18:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 18:01:24 PDT Sender: Dale MacDonald From: Dale MacDonald To: Info-Andrew Subject: Numeric keypads and Andrew Cc: macdonal@parc.xerox.com I can't seem to get the number keys on a Sun Type-4 keyboard to respond reasonably in Andrew (ez or misc ADEW widgets). Unshifted the give Escape sequences - that's reasonable. With CapsLock or NumLock on, no keys seem to be emitted at all - weird. Shift-number key returns the proper key value - unreasonable. All the other X applications I run seem to comprhend this keypad just fine. Any ideas? Thanks, Dale. \enddata{text822, 58993} \begindata{text822, 60824} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 16:44:58 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 16:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1991 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1119+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Want messages.FwdHeaders preference In-Reply-To: References: , <4c0mQYr0BwwOQE=Yp6@transarc.com> \begindata{text,270240196} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-Apr-91 Re: Want messages.FwdHeader.. Todd Inglett@rchland.ibm (866+0)} \quotation{I declared an \typewriter{extern char *ProgramName} in reply.c and printed it out and got a null string. Who sets the program name? (This is getting rather interesting...) } The program name is set at the end of the main routine in andrew/atk/apps/runapp.c. Here is the code: \smaller{ if(application_GetName(app)==NULL)\{ application_SetName(app,leaf(*argv)); /* just make sure */ im_SetProgramName(leaf(*argv)); \} else im_SetProgramName(application_GetName(app)); if(application_ParseArgs(app,argc,argv))\{ application_ReadInitFile(app); if(application_Start(app))\{ exitCode=application_Run(app); application_Stop(app); \} \} exit(exitCode); } I'm not sure, but at the point you are calling getprofile, I'll assume that you've already gone into application_Run. Correct? I think the problem may be that when you fire up an application via: % runapp -d msgsa -d the application name is set to "runapp". You can test this by adding a preference: runapp.FwdHeaders: "To:From:Date" Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,270240196} \enddata{text822, 60824} \begindata{text822, 63493} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 16 Apr 91 22:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Apr 91 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 16 Apr 91 22:40:31 EDT Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16502>; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 19:39:51 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <33025>; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 19:42:27 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 19:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1991 19:42:26 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1784+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: color->monochrome mapping wierdnesses \begindata{text,3807480} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} (Sparc-2, SunOS 4.1.1, patchlevel 9 of ATK compiled under SunOS 4.0.3c) Color behavior on monochrome screens seems broken. Looking at the code (\typewriter{atk/basics/x/xgraphic.c}): There seem to be two sorts of color operations: "filling", as in \typewriter{view_FillRect()}, and "drawing", as in \typewriter{view_DrawString()}, or \typewriter{view_DrawRect*()}. Every filling operation takes a tile, while every drawing operation uses the foreground color of the view. If one attempts a drawing operation with a color on a monochrome screen, the color is mapped to a monochrome dither pattern (there seem to be 16 (17?) of these). If one attempts a filling operation with a color on a monochrome screen, the color is thresholded to either black or white, at a \underline{very} high luminance level (about 0.93), so that any fill color will appear black, unless it is very close to white. (Note that \typewriter{view_EraseRect*()} is really a filling operation, as it uses the default \typewriter{view_WhitePattern()} of the view for drawing.) I feel that the filling operations should be mapped to a dither pattern just as the drawing operations are. Any justification for not doing so? I further feel that the user should be able to control, on a per-graphic basis, whether thresholding or dithering should be used to represent colors on a monochrome screen -- I find uses for both. Furthermore, when thresholding is used, it should be performed at a reasonable level (0.5), possibly user-specifiable. Another problem is that \typewriter{xgraphic_ApproximateColor()} doesn't use \typewriter{XParseColor()}, as \typewriter{SetFGColor()} and \typewriter{SetBGColor()} do, so that filling operations cannot use the "#RRGGBB" convention for X color names, while drawing operations can. I feel that \typewriter{xgraphic_ApproximateColor()} should be changed to use \typewriter{XParseColor()} in the same way that \typewriter{SetFGColor()} does.. Bill \enddata{text,3807480} \enddata{text822, 63493} \begindata{text822, 67061} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 17 Apr 91 00:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 16 Apr 91 23:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 16 Apr 91 23:59:13 EDT Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16508>; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 20:58:01 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <33025>; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 21:00:35 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 21:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1991 21:00:34 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, Bill Janssen Subject: Re: color->monochrome mapping wierdnesses In-Reply-To: References: Note that if one invokes a "filling" operation with a NULL Tile argument, the foreground color of the view is used, and dithering proceeds as with "drawing" operations. Bill \enddata{text822, 67061} \begindata{text822, 68803} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 00:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 00:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Apr 91 00:31:40 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA24275; Wed, 17 Apr 91 21:20:44 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Apr 91 03:56:44 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!convex.com!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Convex Computer Corporation; Richardson, TX Subject: inclusive replies in vui Message-Id: <1991Apr18.035644.11150@convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I use messages at work, but when I dial in from home, of course, I have to use vui, and am constantly annoyed by what seems to be a fundamental flaw -- I can't see any way to reply to mail and include the original message for quoting. Am I missing something? -- -- datri@convex.com \enddata{text822, 68803} \begindata{text822, 70467} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 09:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 09:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loligo.cc.fsu.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Apr 91 09:31:17 EDT Received: by loligo.cc.fsu.edu (4.1/25-eef) id AA01918; Thu, 18 Apr 91 09:31:34 EDT From: Jeff Bauer Message-Id: <9104181331.AA01918@loligo.cc.fsu.edu> Subject: Trouble building atk/layout To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 9:31:33 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6] Hi, I am trying to build the Andrew Distribution distributed with X11R4. I've installed patch.001-patch.009 and vui.patch from the "X/contrib-fixes/andrew" directory on export.lcs. I seem to be missing some files. A "make World" bombs here : building (dependInstall) (/fsucc/sun4/X11R4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atk/layout) ../.././config/depend.csh /usr/bin/X11/makedepend /usr/andrew /usr/andrew \ /usr/include/X11 "cc" /usr/andrew/bin/class "-I. \ -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include/X11" Andrew class preprocessor exiting abnormally! processing file: filler.ch message: can not open the file cel.ch exit code = 3. Andrew class preprocessor exiting abnormally! processing file: fillerv.ch message: can not open the file celv.ch exit code = 3. Later on, it can't find filler.eh, filler.ih, fillerv.eh, layout.eh, cel.ih, layoutv.eh. They don't appear to be in the atk/layout directory, or in any other andrew directory. Can somebody either send me these files or tell me what's wrong? I'd appreciate it.. PS : Please email me; I'm not on the info-andrew mailing list yet (and don't know if this is crossposted to a USENET newsgroup, like comp.soft-sys.andrew) -- Jeff Bauer bauer@loligo.cc.fsu.edu FSU Computing Center Systems Group (904) 644-2591 x. 113 \enddata{text822, 70467} \begindata{text822, 72815} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:20:16 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 459+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: inclusive replies in vui In-Reply-To: <1991Apr18.035644.11150@convex.com> References: <1991Apr18.035644.11150@convex.com> \begindata{text,270196784} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Apr-91 inclusive replies in vui Anthony A. Datri@ucbvax. (285)} \quotation{I use messages at work, but when I dial in from home, of course, I have }\quotation{to use vui, and am constantly annoyed by what seems to be a fundamental }\quotation{flaw -- I can't see any way to reply to mail and include the original }\quotation{message for quoting. Am I missing something? } I think you hit the nail. Basically, whatever you can do with your favorite editor..... Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,270196784} \enddata{text822, 72815} \begindata{text822, 74645} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 16:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 16:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Apr 91 16:51:00 EDT Received: from radcliff.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.168.72]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16178>; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:50:53 PDT Received: by radcliff.parc.xerox.com id <2095>; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:50:37 -0700 Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.radcliff.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.radcliff.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0c3UOJ0B0OV8Rgc0YN@radcliff.parc.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1991 13:50:29 PDT Sender: Dale MacDonald From: Dale MacDonald To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Sun-4 Numeric keypads and Andrew Cc: macdonal@parc.xerox.com I can't seem to get the number keys on a Sun Type-4 keyboard to respond reasonably in Andrew (ez or misc ADEW widgets). Unshifted the give Escape sequences - that's reasonable. With CapsLock or NumLock on, no keys seem to be emitted at all - weird. Shift-number key returns the proper key value - unreasonable. All the other X applications I run seem to comprhend this keypad just fine. Any ideas? Thanks, Dale. \enddata{text822, 74645} \begindata{text822, 76460} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 17:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 17:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 18 Apr 91 17:25:26 EDT Received: from XRCC_MAIL.XRCC.XEROX.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16389>; Thu, 18 Apr 1991 14:24:48 PDT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 080037006B5D77D42BC5 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1991 06:25:19 PDT Sender: Mike_Hopper.XRCC@xerox.com From: hopper.xrcc@xerox.com Subject: ODA mailing lists To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: hopper.xrcc@xerox.com Message-Id: <"18-Apr-91 9:25:19 EDT".*.Mike_Hopper.XRCC@Xerox.com> Sorry to use the Andrew list for something not directly related but I am tring to track down all sources of discussion of ODA. Nothing has been coming into this site concerning ODA for so long I had almost forgotten it existed. Can anyone give me any recent addresses for ODA discussions? Thanks Mike Hopper.................. hopper.xrcc@xerox.com \enddata{text822, 76460} \begindata{text822, 77939} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 22:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 18 Apr 91 22:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 18 Apr 91 22:03:09 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA01448; Thu, 18 Apr 91 18:50:41 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Apr 91 01:31:00 GMT From: convex!datri@uunet.uu.net (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Subject: Re: inclusive replies in vui Message-Id: <1991Apr19.013100.20560@convex.com> References: <1991Apr18.035644.11150@convex.com>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >I think you hit the nail. Basically, whatever you can do with your >favorite editor..... Yeah, but how do I get the headers and body *into* the editor? -- -- datri@convex.com \enddata{text822, 77939} \begindata{text822, 79493} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 91 09:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 91 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ws28.nisc.sri.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 19 Apr 91 09:54:46 EDT Received: by ws28.nisc.sri.com (5.64/SRI-NISC1.1) id AA02193; Fri, 19 Apr 91 06:54:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9104191354.AA02193@ws28.nisc.sri.com> To: hopper.xrcc@xerox.com Cc: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: ODA mailing lists In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 18 Apr 91 06:25:19 -0700. <"18-Apr-91 9:25:19 EDT".*.Mike_Hopper.XRCC@Xerox.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 06:54:11 PDT From: Ruth Lang Try ietf-oda@cs.ucl.ac.uk. Ruth Lang \enddata{text822, 79493} \begindata{text822, 80686} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 1991 11:22:03 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 1991 11:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Fri, 19 Apr 1991 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1991 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 734+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: AMDS post office machine In-Reply-To: References: <1991Apr13.094658.15527@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> <4c2Anwy0ts5J0JPFET@alw.nih.gov> \begindata{text,18607892} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Paul Traina reminded me that all hosts are now required to do MX vectoring (rfc1123 paragraph 5.3.5, quoted below), so it should no longer be necessary to have a PO machine with the same name as the cell name, except to accommodate ``broken'' mail senders. Craig from RFC 1123: \quotation{ 5.3.5 Domain Name Support SMTP implementations MUST use the mechanism defined in Section 6.1 for mapping between domain names and IP addresses. This means that every Internet SMTP MUST include support for the Internet DNS. In particular, a sender-SMTP MUST support the MX record scheme [SMTP:3]. See also Section 7.4 of [DNS:2] for information on domain name support for SMTP. }\enddata{text,18607892} \enddata{text822, 80686} \begindata{text822, 82935} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loligo.cc.fsu.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for susan+; Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:02:03 EDT Received: by loligo.cc.fsu.edu (4.1/25-eef) id AA24031; Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:02:21 EDT From: Jeff Bauer Message-Id: <9104191902.AA24031@loligo.cc.fsu.edu> Subject: More ATK build woes To: susan+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan Straub) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:02:20 EDT In-Reply-To: ; from "Susan Straub" at Apr 18, 91 1:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6] Hi, Sorry to keep bugging you with ATK build problems, but can you help me with this one? I enabled "WM_ENV" to build the window manager and the build process blows up in atk/basics/wm. It can't find file "wmclient.h", which a "find" doesn't find anywhere in the andrew source tree... Much Thanks, -- Jeff Bauer bauer@loligo.cc.fsu.edu FSU Computing Center Systems Group (904) 644-2591 x. 113 \enddata{text822, 82935} \begindata{text822, 84179} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rand.org by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Fri, 19 Apr 91 15:08:55 EDT Received: from monty.rand.org by rand.org; Fri, 19 Apr 91 11:45:33 -0700 Received: from hercules.rcc by monty; Fri, 19 Apr 91 11:45:31 PDT Received: from localhost by hercules.rcc (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24178; Fri, 19 Apr 91 11:44:59 PDT Message-Id: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu X-Face: %q"[Odr2u&o(@]W>9%kwwJ/Td+Ju5!en}ZHQ>G3)9%`RBr7Ct12Dj6LB\Qz@@j|YgfHymB~ Lc>qe:o+U{rh!RVuaYYd{+S4$8tPLu]Y$0<5x>rj-kuS"[eqLFME-('jwXR87s;A3I,=cW*D(> I would like to arrange for all my outgoing mail to include special header information (the X-Face: lines in this message, for the obvious example). Is there a preference or file that I can set, analogous to MH's `components' file, to accomplish this? Mike \enddata{text822, 84179} \begindata{text822, 85747} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:14:25 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 878+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Adding a Header In-Reply-To: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> References: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> \begindata{text,270477724} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Apr-91 Adding a Header Michael Urban@rand.org (259)} \quotation{I would like to arrange for all my outgoing mail to include special header information (the X-Face: lines in this message, for the obvious example). Is there a preference or file that I can set, analogous to MH's `components' file, to accomplish this? } \quotation{ Mike } It's not beautiful, but I believe something like the following will work if you put it in ~/.messagesinit\footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,270538364} \textdsversion{12} (your .messagesinit file should include your .atkinit file - if you don't want a separate .messagesinit file, you could put this straight into your .atkinit file -- if you are still using a .be2init file instead of an .atkinit file - either rename it, or substitute "be2init" for "atkinit" above.)\ \enddata{fnote,270538364} \view{fnotev,270538364,0,0,0}} (note the text between the lines of '='s is ALL ONE LINE) ================ addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Send With Face~75" sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header X-Face: ;sendmessage-send-message" ================ (the "", including the angle brackets ('<', '>') should be replaced with whatever you expect to put after the colon in the X-Face: header) --fish \enddata{text,270477724} \enddata{text822, 85747} \begindata{text822, 88456} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:16:19 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c4hBay00VtqAWk0tB@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1991 08:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 135+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: PS -- Re: Adding a Header In-Reply-To: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> References: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> \begindata{text,270477724} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} PS: you can modify the previously included mumbo-jumbo to make it a key-binding instead of (or in addition to) a menu binding. --fish \enddata{text,270477724} \enddata{text822, 88456} \begindata{text822, 89861} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 12:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 12:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rand.org by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for ghoti+; Mon, 22 Apr 91 12:42:08 EDT Received: from monty.rand.org by rand.org; Mon, 22 Apr 91 09:24:49 -0700 Received: from hercules.rcc by monty; Mon, 22 Apr 91 09:24:47 PDT Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hercules.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.hercules.sun4_40; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1991 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Urban To: Info-Andrew , Adam Stoller Subject: Re: Adding a Header In-Reply-To: References: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> Excerpts from mail: 22-Apr-91 Re: Adding a Header Adam Stoller@andrew.cmu. (878+1) > addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Send With Face~75" sendmessage > sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header X-Face: > ;sendmessage-send-message" Unfortunately, `X-Face' data is full of intersting characters like semicolons that are significant in .atkinit-ish files. Even when I insert the data into a header line `by hand' (i.e. using the insert-file menu option), Andrew scrambles my face--a blow to my vanity--by turning a pair of `@' characters with a single `@' character. Grumph. Mike \enddata{text822, 89861} \begindata{text822, 91862} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:07:52 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:07:42 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for urban%hercules@rand.org; Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:11:10 edt Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1991 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1831+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Adding a Header Cc: Michael Urban In-Reply-To: References: <9104191844.AA24178@hercules.rcc> , \begindata{text,2696592} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Apr-91 Re: Adding a Header Michael Urban@rand.org (608)} \quotation{Unfortunately, `X-Face' data is full of intersting characters like }\quotation{semicolons that are significant in .atkinit-ish files. Even when I }\quotation{insert the data into a header line `by hand' (i.e. using the insert-file }\quotation{menu option), Andrew scrambles my face--a blow to my vanity--by turning }\quotation{a pair of `@' characters with a single `@' character. } Yup, sounds like someone might want to add code to add the X-Face line automatically at a level lower than the ATK stuff. The "right" place to add it, in my opinion, would be ams/libs/ms/submsg.c. It should be pretty easy to fix: In MS_SubmitMessage, after the message is parsed (with ParseMessageFromRawBody), you can use AddHeader to add whatever you want. For example, if you were hardwiring your face in the code (not a good idea): AddHeader(Msg, "X-Face: lkjsfdlkjsfdlkjsdlkjsflk"); So all you'd really need is some code that gets the headers out of a configuration file of some sort and adds them on in this manner. You can add multiple headers with a single call (as long as the headers are separated by a single newline) so you could just use the contents of a file (~/.addheaders ?) in a single AddHeader call, but it might be smart to make sure that the .addheaders file doesn't contain two consecutive newlines, which would mess things up. IMPORTANT NOTE: You should make sure to add the headers right after the ParseMessage... call, BEFORE the authentication-related checks. This will mean, among other things, that people can't add forged From lines using this mechanism. If you make this change, it will affect messages sent with CUI & VUI in addition to Messages. I would encourage you to pass the changes back to the ITC in the form of a patch. Regards. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text,2696592} \enddata{text822, 91862} \begindata{text822, 95575} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 15:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 15:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elysees.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 22 Apr 91 15:18:28 EDT Received: by elysees.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.2) id AA00680; Mon, 22 Apr 91 15:18:23 -0400 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.elysees.noname.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.elysees.noname.sun4_40; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 15:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1991 15:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Edwards X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1645+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: EZ on screen different than print-out Cc: William David Haas \begindata{text,1125872} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{notetotypesetter menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} A colleague of mine wrote the following text for a helpfile: ********************** \description{file.tex - A \italic{.tex} file contains either the L}A\description{T\subscript{\bigger{E}}X or T\subscript{\bigger{E}}X commands to produce a document. You use either the \bold{tex} command or the \bold{latex} command to convert it into a \italic{.dvi} file for viewing or printing. \heading{From a Workstation } If you have logged on at a NORTHSTAR machine (on the console) and run one of the graphics window managers (you have multiple windows on the screen) you can run all of the T\subscript{\bigger{E}}X commands. The most efficient way to get your T\subscript{\bigger{E}}X work done is to edit the T\subscript{\bigger{E}}X or \description{L}A\description{T\subscript{\bigger{E}}X} file in one window (using \bold{ez}, \bold{vi}, \bold{emacs}) and run tex from your typescript or xterm. A typical session would have these steps (assuming the file is named \italic{filename.tex}):} ********************** There are a couple things wrong here. The first is that when this prints out, carriage returns get inserted into the word LATEX following the L and A. Actually, the bug has been around for a long time - following the L is the end of a 'description' region. Starting with the T is a new description region. Opinions of whether this is right or wrong aside, it appears together on the screen, but is printed with carriage returns on the printer (we are using troff to IBM PagePrinters). Either the screen should have the carriage returns or the printer shouldn't for consistency. Another problem to notice is the last mention of LATEX. Notice how it appears indented more than the rest of the text. Why? It's only a space there. Remove the space and LATEX moves up to the previous line. Any comments, correction, confirmation, or words of reassurance? - \underline{Anthony} \enddata{text,1125872} \enddata{text822, 95575} \begindata{text822, 99732} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 22 Apr 91 16:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lombard.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 22 Apr 91 16:03:33 EDT Received: by lombard.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.2) id AA06614; Mon, 22 Apr 91 16:03:28 -0400 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lombard.noname.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.lombard.noname.sun4_40; Mon, 22 Apr 1991 16:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1991 16:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kris Olander Reply-To: kris.olander@dartmouth.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, Anthony Edwards Subject: Re: EZ on screen different than print-out Cc: William David Haas In-Reply-To: References: While Anthony's at it, I might as well add my two cents worth...:) Flush-right formatted regions also get printed out on a new line when both flush-left text and flush-right text are placed on the same line in an ez document. I believe this has been reported before. I'm just curious to see if anyone has fixed this yet. -Kris \enddata{text822, 99732} \begindata{text822, 101549} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 91 08:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 91 08:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elysees.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 23 Apr 91 08:29:41 EDT Received: by elysees.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.2) id AA01915; Tue, 23 Apr 91 08:29:35 -0400 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.elysees.noname.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.elysees.noname.sun4_40; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 08:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <0c52Whi1eVXqI0zM9q@northstar.dartmouth.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1991 08:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Edwards X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1531+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Dale MacDonald Subject: Re: Sun-4 Numeric keypads and Andrew Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <0c3UOJ0B0OV8Rgc0YN@radcliff.parc.xerox.com> References: <0c3UOJ0B0OV8Rgc0YN@radcliff.parc.xerox.com> \begindata{text,2598904} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{notetotypesetter menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 18-Apr-91 Sun-4 Numeric keypads and A.. Dale MacDonald@parc.xero (418)} \quotation{I can't seem to get the number keys on a Sun Type-4 keyboard to respond }\quotation{reasonably in Andrew (ez or misc ADEW widgets). } On my Sun4, I have the following file as .keymap.sun4 which I run through xmodmap with xmodmap ~/.keymap.sun4 ************** keycode 75 = 0xffcb keycode 77 = 0xffca keycode 119 = 0xffc9 keycode 121 = 0xffc8 keycode 52 = equal keycode 53 = slash keycode 54 = asterisk keycode 8 = 0x0003 keycode 10 = 0x0015 keycode 58 = 0xffd4 keycode 80 = 0x0019 keycode 102 = 0x0013 keycode 104 = 0x0017 ************** The first group is specifically for the keypad arrows (I think they list left, right, up, down) and then the key codes for the numeric pad's =, /, and -. The second group is for the L-keys on the right side. I think the list goes like this keycode 8 - stop key - ^G keycode 10 - again key - ^U keycode 58 - copy key - ESC Z (which I map to the ESC-W functionality) keycode 80 - past key - ^Y keycode 102 - find key - ^S keycode 104 - cut key - ^W All the above information can be derived by playing around with the xmodmap program and looking at the X documentation. I'll bet that your X11 configuration is incomplete like ours - there's a specific include file (the name escapes me at the moment) which maps the keycodes to the keys that is supposed to be compiled when X11 is compiled, but for some reason it was overlooked. So, like you, I have to patch the keys afterward. - \underline{Anthony} \enddata{text,2598904} \enddata{text822, 101549} \begindata{text822, 105499} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 91 11:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 91 11:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carla.dist.unige.it by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 23 Apr 91 11:05:09 EDT Received: from jrc.UUCP by carla.dist.unige.it with UUCP (5.61++/IDA-1.2.8) id AA01927; Tue, 23 Apr 91 17:00:47 +0200 Received: from kbs2.isei.jrc.it (kms1) by jrc.it; Tue, 23 Apr 91 16:31:46 +0100 Received: by kbs2.isei.jrc.it (4.0/JRC-S-1.2) id AA00636; Tue, 23 Apr 91 16:36:26 +0200 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it.sun4_40; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 16:36:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4c54Ndc01Uq3A2R0hA@kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1991 16:36:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: manfred kohl To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ANdrew and OpenWindows How can I use Andrew under OpenWindows i.e. what can I do to use the "right" fonts. Any suggestions are welcome Manfred Kohl Joint Research Center of the European COmmunities 21020 Ispra Italy m_kohl@cen.jrc.it \enddata{text822, 105499} \begindata{text822, 107134} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 11:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1991 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com ReSent-To: Robert Steven Glickstein , "Michael J. McInerny" , Tom Neuendorffer , Susan Straub , Gary Keim Return-path: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 10:43:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Wohl X-Andrew-Message-Size: 122+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: alter To: "Craig F. Everhart" , PC-Daemon Subject: oops \begindata{text,18955648} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} that should be: memset(&RetP,0,sizeof(RetP)); The previous one I sent assumed RetP was a pointer not structure... Aaron \enddata{text,18955648} \enddata{text822, 107134} \begindata{text822, 108817} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 14:23:53 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from commander.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.commander.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.commander.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 23 Apr 1991 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1991 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 880+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: ANdrew and OpenWindows In-Reply-To: <4c54Ndc01Uq3A2R0hA@kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it> References: <4c54Ndc01Uq3A2R0hA@kms1.kbs2.isei.jrc.it> \begindata{text,539399048} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 23-Apr-91 ANdrew and OpenWindows manfred kohl@cen.jrc.it (224)} \quotation{How can I use Andrew under OpenWindows i.e. what can I do to use the }\quotation{"right" fonts. } You can get them as a compressed tar file from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62) in the file OWfonts.tar.Z. There is also a section of code in andrew/overhead/cmenu/cmcreate.c that needs to be replaced. Replace this: cursorMaskPixmap = XCreatePixmapFromBitmapData(display, rootWindow, (char *) cursormask_bits, (int) cursormask_width, (int) cursormask_height, 0, 1, 1); with this: cursorMaskPixmap = XCreatePixmapFromBitmapData(display, rootWindow, (char *) cursormask_bits, (int) cursormask_width, (int) cursormask_height, BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)), WhitePixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)), 1); Then recompile cmenu and atk/apps in that order. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,539399048} \enddata{text822, 108817} \begindata{text822, 111068} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 24 Apr 91 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Apr 91 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 24 Apr 91 09:46:53 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA28290; Wed, 24 Apr 91 06:33:44 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Apr 91 16:18:41 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!edcogsci!cogsci!miles@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Miles Bader) Organization: HCRC, University of Edinburgh Subject: Re: Adding a Header Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) writes: > Yup, sounds like someone might want to add code to add the X-Face line > automatically at a level lower than the ATK stuff. The "right" place to > add it, in my opinion, would be ams/libs/ms/submsg.c. It should be > pretty easy to fix: In MS_SubmitMessage, after the message is parsed > (with ParseMessageFromRawBody), you can use AddHeader to add whatever > you want. For example, if you were hardwiring your face in the code > (not a good idea): > AddHeader(Msg, "X-Face: lkjsfdlkjsfdlkjsdlkjsflk"); > So all you'd really need is some code that gets the headers out of a > configuration file of some sort and adds them on in this manner. You > can add multiple headers with a single call (as long as the headers are > separated by a single newline) so you could just use the contents of a > file (~/.addheaders ?) in a single AddHeader call, but it might be smart > to make sure that the .addheaders file doesn't contain two consecutive > newlines, which would mess things up. This is the wrong way to do it: as the huge numbers of multiple signatures posted to usenet shows, silently adding junk to outgoing messages just confuses people, even if they specifically want it to be added. It's obviously also less flexible, since you don't have the ability to delete it / modify while composing the message. Just *fix* the current code not to fuck with headers it doesn't know about. Having headers automatically inserted from a file-- into the editable composition buffer-- *is* a good idea in my opinion (batmail does it with the file "~/.headers"). -Miles -- -- Miles Bader -- HCRC, University of Edinburgh -- Miles.Bader@ed.ac.uk \enddata{text822, 111068} \begindata{text822, 114146} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 24 Apr 1991 11:39:30 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Apr 1991 11:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Wed, 24 Apr 1991 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1991 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 517+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Miles.Bader@ed.ac.uk (Miles Bader) Subject: Re: Adding a Header In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,19113316} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I believe that the objection to using the existing mechanisms was that the .atkinit parser couldn't quote funky characters such as appear to be in an X-Face: header, rather than in Messages doing anything with headers it doesn't understand. (I believe that AMS won't f*** [fool] with ``headers it doesn't know about.'') When you use a menu item to add a header, you see the header in the composition window, so if you left yourself some way to send a message without adding the header, you could use that. Craig \enddata{text,19113316} \enddata{text822, 114146} \begindata{text822, 116162} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 10:14:33 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 10:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 25 Apr 91 10:13:38 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 25 Apr 91 10:13:36 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 25 Apr 91 10:17:05 edt Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Thu, 25 Apr 1991 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1991 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 985+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Adding a Header In-Reply-To: References: , \begindata{text,2648144} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 23-Apr-91 Re: Adding a Header Miles Bader@bloom-beacon (1710)} \quotation{Just *fix* the current code not to fuck with headers it doesn't know about. } As Craig points out, what you need to fix is the ATK init file mechanism, in the example given. \quotation{Having headers automatically inserted from a file-- into the editable }\quotation{composition buffer-- *is* a good idea in my opinion (batmail does it with the }\quotation{file "~/.headers"). } Sure, another solution would be to alter the Messages code to put X-Face into the composition area. That's another approach. Personally, I don't like it as much. If I wanted an X-Face header, I'd want it *whether or not* I sent my mail with Messages -- I'd want it automatically even if I sent mail with, say, CUI or VUI. Anybody who's running a mail-reader that is too dumb to filter out headers such as "X-Face" is already so totally accustomed to seeing garbage headers that one more isn't going to make any difference... -- Nathaniel \enddata{text,2648144} \enddata{text822, 116162} \begindata{text822, 119103} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 21:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 21:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 25 Apr 91 21:49:28 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA00240; Thu, 25 Apr 91 18:46:17 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 25 Apr 91 14:42:17 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!edcogsci!cogsci!miles@uunet.uu.net (Miles Bader) Organization: HCRC, University of Edinburgh Subject: Re: Adding a Header Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Craig_Everhart@TRANSARC.COM writes: > I believe that the objection to using the existing mechanisms was that > the .atkinit parser couldn't quote funky characters such as appear to be > in an X-Face: header, rather than in Messages doing anything with > headers it doesn't understand. (I believe that AMS won't f*** [fool] > with ``headers it doesn't know about.'') Looking back at nathaniel's message, you're right, the problem is reported to be in the atkinit file. [So then why not just have it suck in a file to add to the headers when setting up the message? Actually what's needed is someway of specifying events (in .*init) that are invoked by the program instead of a keystroke or menu selection (i.e., hooks in emacs)...] Anyway, couldn't isn't there an "insert-file," proctable entry so that you don't have to put the wierd characters in the init file? -Miles -- -- Miles Bader -- HCRC, University of Edinburgh -- Miles.Bader@ed.ac.uk \enddata{text822, 119103} \begindata{text822, 121413} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 23:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 23:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 25 Apr 91 23:19:10 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA02392; Thu, 25 Apr 91 20:10:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 26 Apr 91 03:00:24 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica!news@apple.com (Rick McMullen,) Organization: Indiana University Subject: CMU Tutor, cT, whatever Message-Id: <1991Apr26.030024.28223@cica.indiana.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu This isn't exactly the right place to post this request, but perhaps someone in the know can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for information on how to obtain a version of CMU Tutor, cT, or whatever it is currently called that will run in the MIT X11 Andrew environment. Thanks in advance, Rick McMullen Center for Innovative Computer Applications 819 Poplars Building Indiana University Bloomington, IN 47405 mcmullen@ucs.indiana.edu \enddata{text822, 121413} \begindata{text822, 123175} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 23:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Apr 91 23:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 25 Apr 91 23:19:04 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA02354; Thu, 25 Apr 91 20:07:51 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 25 Apr 91 21:57:06 GMT From: mtxinu!jaap@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jaap Akkerhuis) Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley Subject: Re: Adding a Header Message-Id: <1991Apr25.215706.27411@mtxinu.COM> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) writes: > > Anybody who's running a mail-reader that is too dumb to filter out > headers such as "X-Face" is already so totally accustomed to seeing > garbage headers that one more isn't going to make any difference... -- > Nathaniel On the other hand, it would remind him that the average message has more header goo then contents. The main thing header garbage does is wasting bandwidth and upping the profits of the phone companies... jaap :-) \enddata{text822, 123175} \begindata{text822, 125090} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Apr 1991 14:53:45 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Apr 1991 14:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 26 Apr 1991 14:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c67Oam00VtqIgXkVr@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1991 14:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1123+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 Reply-To: Adam Stoller To: Info-Andrew Subject: Coding Query \begindata{text,270428572} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} This is a completely UNofficial query - I am simply interested in gathering some information which could possibly lead to changes in the distribution - but could also very easily lead to no change. I am interested in finding out how many people/sites/systems/etc. out there are not able to compile code with full ANSI-C prototypes. If you cannot compile this code: ================================ #include void foo(int a, char *b); int main() \{ foo(10, "you're okay"); exit(0); \} void foo(int a, char *b) \{ printf("%d: %s\\n", a, b); \} ================================ Please send me the following information (in mail if possible - NOT to info-andrew if avoidable): Organization/Company/Group/...: Hardware Platform: Operating System: Compiler (name/brand/version/etc.): Compilation Log from trying to build the above code: The address to send this to is: ghoti+ansi@andrew.cmu.edu Again - this is only at the stage of collecting information - there is, as of right now, no official decision to change the coding used in the Andrew Distribution. Thanks in advance for the information. --fish\ \enddata{text,270428572} \enddata{text822, 125090} \begindata{text822, 127468} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from bangor.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 29 Apr 1991 10:47:07 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from bangor.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Apr 1991 10:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.bangor.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.bangor.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 29 Apr 1991 10:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1991 10:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 307+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica!news@apple.com (Rick McMullen,) Subject: Re: CMU Tutor, cT, whatever CC: Bruce Sherwood In-Reply-To: <1991Apr26.030024.28223@cica.indiana.edu> References: <1991Apr26.030024.28223@cica.indiana.edu> \begindata{text,270884400} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} cT is available from the Center for Development of Educational Computing here at CMU. It is a courseware development system that executes transparently on X, PCs, and MACs (It no longer has anything to do with ATK). You can contact Bruce Sherwood (bas+@andrew.cmu.edu) for more information. Fred Hansen\ \enddata{text,270884400} \enddata{text822, 127468} \begindata{text822, 129211} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 29 Apr 91 22:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Apr 91 22:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 29 Apr 91 22:50:01 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA11572; Mon, 29 Apr 91 19:45:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Apr 91 01:22:31 GMT From: fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Williams) Organization: Litton/Integrated Automation, Alameda, California Subject: Andrew on SUNS Message-Id: <1991Apr30.012231.3427@lia> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I have SUN workstations, running SunOS 4.1.1, and I have been able to compile andrew from the X11R4 tape, patched to patch level 9. In general it seems to work, but refuses to connect to remote X servers. The following is what I see when I try to start ez: ararat[1, 108 ] % printenv DISPLAY bart:0.0 ararat[1, 109 ] % ez foo Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 15.5); please wait... Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system. Could not create new window. exiting. I think I should mention, I am using yellow pages (NIS), not the domain name service. (It wasn't my choice.) Is there something obvious I'm overlooking? I tried undefining RESOLV_ENV in my site.h, but then runapp wouldn't link. Also, typescript doesn't work. I execute typescript, and it creates a window just fine. However, after maybe printing a prompt, the shell dies leaving an impotent typescript window -- I can type in it, but nothing gets executed. Will patch #10 fix these problems? Thanks in advance, Steve Williams steve@lia.com \enddata{text822, 129211} \begindata{text822, 131548} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:39:14 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fish.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 09:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fish.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 09:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1991 09:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2371+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , fernwood!lia!steve@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Williams) Subject: Re: Andrew on SUNS In-Reply-To: <1991Apr30.012231.3427@lia> References: <1991Apr30.012231.3427@lia> \begindata{text,270370032} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 30-Apr-91 Andrew on SUNS Stephen Williams@uunet.u (1056)} \quotation{I have SUN workstations, running SunOS 4.1.1}[....]\quotation{ } \quotation{ }[....]\quotation{refuses to connect to remote X servers. }\quotation{The following is what I see when I try to start ez: } \quotation{ ararat[1, 108 ] % printenv DISPLAY }\quotation{ bart:0.0 }\quotation{ ararat[1, 109 ] % ez foo }\quotation{ Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 15.5); please wait... }\quotation{ Could not open the }[....]\quotation{ } \quotation{I think I should mention, I am using yellow pages (NIS), not the domain name service. (It wasn't my choice.) Is there something obvious I'm overlooking? I tried undefining RESOLV_ENV in my site.h, but then runapp wouldn't link.} The following is largely guesswork with little to no facts to back it up - take it with a heavy grain of salt..... I don't know about sunOS4.1.1 - but sunOS3.5 (which is what we have locally on our two sun3/60's) comes with a BSD4.2 version of netdb.h - and all of our other systems have a BSD4.3 version of netdb.h. We also have a BSD4.3 version of netdb.h from a distribution of BIND (resolver stuff) on all of our systems - and it is that file we use to build all of our Andrew Software locally - unfortunately we did not build the version of X11 that we are running on our Suns - and it was built with the native BSD4.2 version of netdb.h - as a result we cannot easily run ATK applications remotely from our Suns on our other machines. However, some hack-work-arounds might work: [assume workstation A (remote server) and B (local display)] 1) on B, xhost A 2) from B - telnet or rsh to A (rA) 3) in rA - setenv DISPLAY B:0 4) in rA - ez foo --- if that doesn't work 3a) find out IP address of B (xxx.xx.x.xxx)=> (ipB) 3b) in rA - setenv DISPLAY ipB:0 4) in rA - ez foo FYI - the BSD4.3 netdb.h defined struct hostent as: \example{\smaller{struct hostent \{ char *h_name; /* official name of host */ char **h_aliases; /* alias list */ int h_addrtype; /* host address type */ int h_length; /* length of address */ char **h_addr_list; /* list of addresses from name server */ #define h_addr h_addr_list[0] /* address, for backward compatiblity */ \}; }} The old BSD4.2 netdb.h defined struct hostent as: \example{\smaller{struct hostent \{ char *h_name; /* official name of host */ char **h_aliases; /* alias list */ int h_addrtype; /* host address type */ int h_length; /* length of address */ char *h_addr; /* address */ \}; }} Hope this helps a little --fish \enddata{text,270370032} \enddata{text822, 131548} \begindata{text822, 135869} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IBM.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:48:23 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8310; Tue, 30 Apr 91 06:49:12 PDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 30 Apr 91 08:46:56 CDT Received: via switchmail; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 08:46:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from chicago.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 08:46:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from chicago.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 08:46:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.chicago.rchland.ibm.com.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.chicago.rchland.ibm.com.rt_aos4; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 08:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1991 08:46:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 405+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Zip datastream \begindata{text,270393628} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} If you edit a \italic{zip} drawing (i.e. ez j.zip) and save it, the usual \\begindata and \\enddata are not stored in the file. If you edit the zip as an inset, then they are used. A problem occurs when you \bold{insert file} the drawing into a document. Since it is not stored as a standard datastream, the best ez can do is insert the data itself...it has no clue that it is a zip. Is this a feature?? -todd inglett \enddata{text,270393628} \enddata{text822, 135869} \begindata{text822, 138252} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8158;andrew.cmu.edu;David Anderson Received: from larimer.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from larimer.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 10:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.larimer.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.larimer.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 10:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1991 10:34:43 -0400 (EDT) From: David Anderson X-Andrew-Message-Size: 678+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Zip datastream In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,270180524} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 30-Apr-91 Zip datastream Todd Inglett@rchland.ibm (405+0)} \quotation{If you edit a \italic{zip} drawing (i.e. ez j.zip) and save it, the usual \\begindata and \\enddata are not stored in the file. If you edit the zip as an inset, then they are used. A problem occurs when you \bold{insert file} the drawing into a document. Since it is not stored as a standard datastream, the best ez can do is insert the data itself...it has no clue that it is a zip. Is this a feature?? } No, this is basically a bug that exists for historical reasons (backwards compatibility with the BE1 version of zip). Perhaps it is time that we can cease to worry about that issue. --david \enddata{text,270180524} \enddata{text822, 138252} \begindata{text822, 140310} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 13:50:13 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from mrtibbs.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mrtibbs.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.mrtibbs.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_41; Tue, 30 Apr 1991 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1991 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 788+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew on SUNS In-Reply-To: <1991Apr30.012231.3427@lia> References: <1991Apr30.012231.3427@lia> \begindata{text,1574808} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 30-Apr-91 Andrew on SUNS Stephen Williams@uunet.u (1056)} \quotation{I think I should mention, I am using yellow pages (NIS), not the domain name }\quotation{service. (It wasn't my choice.) Is there something obvious I'm overlooking? }\quotation{I tried undefining RESOLV_ENV in my site.h, but then runapp wouldn't link. } Leave RESOLVER_ENV defined and be sure to set RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a in your site.mcr file. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 30-Apr-91 Andrew on SUNS Stephen Williams@uunet.u (1056)} \quotation{Also, typescript doesn't work. I execute typescript, and it creates a window }\quotation{just fine. However, after maybe printing a prompt, the shell dies leaving an }\quotation{impotent typescript window -- I can type in it, but nothing gets executed. } \quotation{Will patch #10 fix these problems? } Yes. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,1574808} \enddata{text822, 140310} \begindata{text822, 142490} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 18:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Apr 91 18:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fernwood.mpk.ca.us by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 30 Apr 91 18:40:25 EDT Received: by fernwood.mpk.ca.us; id AA01907; Tue, 30 Apr 91 15:39:07 -0700 Received: from ararat.boeing by lia.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA18194; Tue, 30 Apr 91 13:05:25 PDT Received: from localhost by ararat.boeing (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28389; Tue, 30 Apr 91 13:05:23 PDT Message-Id: <9104302005.AA28389@ararat.boeing> To: Adam Stoller Cc: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew on SUNS In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 30 Apr 91 09:36:33 -0400. Date: Tue, 30 Apr 91 13:05:20 -0700 From: steve@lia.com The following does work: ararat[1, 103 ] % ypmatch bart hosts 192.9.205.50 bart ararat[1, 104 ] % setenv DISPLAY 192.9.205.50:0.0 ararat[1, 106 ] % ez foo Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 15.5); please wait... Could not find host 192.9.205.50 in ez(xim). Error messages may not go to console. What is happening is simple. The library -lresolv has in it a gethostbynam() that uses the resolver. When the program is linked, the first available gethostbyname, the one is -lresolv, is used. Hence, my problem. I try to compile RESOLV_ENV undefined, but then I get the following error while linking 'dofix.' (I did not have these problems before I applied the patches:-) cc -O -I/lia/andrew/include/atk -I/lia/andrew/include -I/lia/X11r4/usr/include -o dofix ../machdep/machine/dofix.o ../lib/libclass.a ld: Undefined symbol __res_close _res_querydomain _dn_expand _p_cdname __sethtent __getlong _p_class _res_mkquery _sethostfile _p_rr __res_resultcodes _res_search _res_init _p_query __gethtbyaddr __endhtent __res __gethtbyname _res_send __gethtent __getshort _putlong _dn_skipname _fp_query __res_opcodes _res_query _dn_comp _p_type _hostalias _putshort __getrhbyaddr \enddata{text822, 142490}