replied: Wed, 17 Apr 96 01:28:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from EDRC.CMU.EDU by B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa14063; 10 Apr 96 7:43:52 EDT Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by EDRC.CMU.EDU id aa09423; 10 Apr 96 7:43:15 EDT Received: from [205.198.81.20] (dial1-20.cybercom.net [205.198.81.20]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA14901 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:43:01 -0400 X-Sender: rnewman@mail.cybercom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:43:20 -0500 To: Dave_Touretzky@cs.cmu.edu From: rnewman@cybercom.net (Ron Newman) Subject: Re: ethical issues and the WWW On 4/10/96 at 7:25 AM , Dave_Touretzky@DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU wrote: >I've been asked to give a guest lecture on ethical issues associated >with the Web, as part of a course on the Web taught by a colleague in >my department. Have you talked to Hal Abelson or taken a look at his course page? http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6805/ -- Ron Newman rnewman@cybercom.net Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html ................................................................ From: Jeff Jacobsen The tobacco internal documents!! FRontline last week did a show on how the tobacco companies intimidate the media to not speak badly about tobacco. ==== See docs at http://www.library.ucsf.edu/tobacco/bw.html ................................................................ alt.religion.scientology #165977 (8 + 0 more) [1] From: rnewman@kalypso.cybercom.net (Ron Newman) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.internet.media-coverage,misc.legal, + misc.legal.computing,comp.org.eff.talk [1] American Lawyer 3/96 article on Scientology vs the Net Followup-To: alt.religion.scientology Date: Wed Apr 10 02:30:16 EDT 1996 Organization: Cyber Access Internet Communications, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: inet _The American Lawyer_ for March 1996 has a very long article by Alison Frankel about the war between Scientology and the Net. The article is entitled "Making Law, Making Enemies". You can read it at: http://www.counsel.com/spotlight/scien2.html -- ................................................................ Arnie Lerma: The Liberty Tree ................................................................ Return-Path: Received: from DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU by B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa17837; 11 Apr 96 9:14:30 EDT Received: from COCORICO.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU by DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU id aa08188; 11 Apr 96 9:14:07 EDT Received: from LOCALHOST by COCORICO.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06884; 11 Apr 96 9:13 EDT To: Dave.Touretzky@DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Liberty tree In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:06:31 EDT." Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:13:45 -0400 From: Dean Benjamin An useful(?) quote: From long interview with henry (forged bomb threat & subsequent firing) in **Biased Journalism** #6 by Shelly Thompson http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/media/bj-1.19.96.html#a3 See also http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/harass/henry.html "The Church of Scientology vs. Rob Clark (aka `henry')" bj: You know, before the net they could do this stuff to individual people and they could crush them. h: Keep them separate. And crush them with impunity. No longer can they do that. bj: Because we have the net. h: The net responds with equal force to any attack on it. bj: yes it does. ................................................................ Return-Path: Received: from COCORICO.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU by B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa14772; 11 Apr 96 5:02:03 EDT Received: from LOCALHOST by COCORICO.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU id aa06482; 11 Apr 96 5:01 EDT To: Dave_Touretzky@CS.cmu.edu Subject: Re: ethical issues and the WWW In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:25:05 EDT." <6904.829135505@DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:01:13 -0400 From: Dean Benjamin A random thought; half-baked, probably irrelevant; offered for what it's worth. The "Liberty Tree" is an imprecise metaphor for Lerma's (and Scamizdat's) use of the net. True, the Tree is a bboard in the public square, where anonymous and (presumably unpopular) opinions and petitions could be posted. Martin Luther might have nailed his Theses to the Tree, or posted them to pgh.general. Copyright Terrorists, on the other hand, are committing civil disobedience, more in the vein of Daniel Ellsberg(?). However, he had to hope that the NYTimes would cooperate in his act of defiance. Q: If we were bombing Cambodia today, where would the Pentagon Papers appear? Would Ellsberg have gone public, or instead posted ala Scamizdat? Me? I wouldn't want an anon-proof Internet. -- When's the talk? Could I sit in? ................................................................ replied: Wed, 10 Apr 96 20:30:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from RI.CMU.EDU by B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id ak01740; 10 Apr 96 12:31:18 EDT Received: from osceola.gate.net by RI.CMU.EDU id aa02443; 10 Apr 96 10:41:51 EDT Received: from mailhost.gate.net (shipbrk@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20540 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:40:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199604101440.KAA20540@osceola.gate.net> X-Sender: shipbrk@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:44:27 -0400 To: Dave_Touretzky@cs.cmu.edu From: Jeff Lee Subject: Re: ethical issues and the WWW >Of course I'm going to cover the Scientology wars, and Le Grand Secret (the >Mitterand book) and the Zundelsite battle. I will talk about copyright and >"fair use". Anyone have suggestions for other topics to fit into this 50 >minute lecture? Or do you have suggestions for web sites to include in the >URL bibliography I'm preparing? http://www.lysator.liu.se:7500/mit-guide/mit-guide.html http://www.lysator.liu.se:7500/terror/thb_title.html Which are, respectively, an illustrated how-to manual for lockpicking, and "The Terrorist's Handbook". >What other ethical issues should be addressed? Well, for the above two URLs, I would mention the ethical dilemma between freedom of information and public safety. -- Jeff Lee (KoX/SP5) shipbrk@gate.net SCA: Lord Godfrey de Shipbrook << Geek Code (v3.1) & PGP public key at http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/ >> << What kind of church needs an espionage and intelligence branch? >> << Read http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/j/berlin.html to find out. >> ................................................................ Return-Path: Received: from RI.CMU.EDU by B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa00999; 12 Apr 96 2:12:10 EDT Received: from esl.cs.colorado.edu by RI.CMU.EDU id aa11670; 12 Apr 96 2:11:37 EDT Received: (from lindsay@localhost) by esl.cs.colorado.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08283; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:10:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Don Lindsay Subject: Re: ethical issues and the WWW To: Dave_Touretzky@cs.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <8595.829286780@DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 Dave_Touretzky@DST.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU wrote: > > > Then there was the Canadian judge who tried to black out coverage of > > testimony at a murder trial. That was usenet, again, but lots of nice > > trans-border issues. I didn't keep notes. Bottom line, Bernardo and Homolka were rather gruesome murderers, and were to be tried in two consecutive trials. The judge ordered no coverage of the wife's testimony in the first trial, so that he could get an unbiased jury for the second trial (of the wife). Sadly, U.S. media (just across the border) reported it anyway, and Usenet passed it along, and some Canadian usenet posters got to meet the nice boys in blue. It was widely reported, if you care to dig. > > > The IRA/Sinn Fein site in texas that published British secrets? I didn't > > keep the URL (*!@* them and the horse they rode in on) but it got press > > a few weeks ago. http://www.serve.com/rm/ is the Sinn Fein site (it moved, no doubt by request of utexas) from http://rene.ma.utexas.edu/users/fodea/aprn/archive/releases/ Here's the news report: it's copyright, of course, so, make only fair use: ------------------------------------- clari.tw.top (moderated) #1240 Followup-to: biz.clarinet.sample From: newsbytes@clari.net (NB / TYO) Newsgroups: clari.tw.new_media,clari.tw.top,clari.tw,biz.clarinet.sample [1] ****More On Sinn Fein Web Site 03/26/96 Keywords: Bureau-TYO, Online & Internet Organization: Copyright 1996 by Newsbytes News Network Threadword: 960326_22 TOKYO, JAPAN, 1996 MAR 26 (NB) -- A Newsbytes investigation into the Internet user who allegedly posted secret United Kingdom security information on the global computer network has revealed the man to be more of a political activist. A report in the London Times newspaper yesterday "revealed" that potentially sensitive information about security installations in Northern Ireland was available on the Internet. The pages detailed by the newspaper report, on a World Wide Web server at the University of Texas, were all moved to a new non-University server in January of this year. As a result, the URL published by the newspaper, http://www.utexas.edu/users/fodea/aprn/bmgii/index.html , returns a not found message when attempts to connect are made. Newsbytes yesterday traced the new home to http://www.serve.com/rm/index.html , a World Wide Web server operated by DataRealm Internet Services (4053 Sansom Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 19104). The pages are stored in the account space of Fergus O'dea, the same person that previously ran the service from the University of Texas. Newsbytes has learned that O'dea is both a student and faculty member of the University being a doctoral candidate in Physics and an assistant instructor, ASM, in the Physics Department. He is also a representative of the University of Texas' Irish Interest Group, a group that promotes interest in Irish literature, history, and culture. O'dea has been posting two newsletters concerning Northern Ireland on the World Wide Web and the Usenet system in the soc.culture.irish group and signs many messages as the "Sinn Fein web admin." In fact his pages are the official Internet home pages of Sinn Fein, a political party with close ties to the Irish Republican Army (IRA), those pages are at http://www.serve.com/rm/sinnfein . Much of the content is made up from the Sinn Fein official newsletter and transcripts of President Gerry Adams speeches. The pages are also linked to from the most respectable Northern Ireland political indices. After recent efforts to thwart Germany's blockage of the home page of Ernst Zundel, a controversial revisionist writer whose works are outlawed in Germany, O'dea commented in the alt.censorship and soc.culture.german newsgroups, "I think the battle to beat censorship has entered a crucial phase, and it is imperative that people defeat it in every way possible." He continued, shouting in Internet style, "YOU CANNOT CENSOR THE INTERNET!!! FORGET IT!!!" Any calls for O'dea to remove the Web pages are likely to be met with a similar response and one which, for the most part, is true. The British government has realized it are powerless to do anything about the Web site. Other posts to Usenet have been as part of political debating about the situation in Northern Ireland and nothing more. Newsbytes has identified four separate e-mail accounts used by O'dea, but messages over the last three months have numbered less than 70, according to our research, indicating O'dea is nothing more than an average, or below average, activity Usenet user. As for the newspaper reports that potentially sensitive information was available online, much seems to have been removed. Newsbytes was unable to confirm that such information was available. (Martyn Williams/19960326) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don