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From: gnewman@iglou.com (Greg 'Bonz' Newman)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution Survey Now Complete
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On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:41:32 -0400, Dave Klecha
<klechad@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:


>Last time I heard, the Law of Conservation of Energy still applied.  Mind telling 
>me what sparked the creation of the universe?  I mean, something had to act on 
>nothing to create something.  Something doesn't just happen spontaneously out of 
>nothing.

 No, the CoE didn't HAVE to apply. And things DO spontaneously
appear out of nothing, trillions of times a day. Of course, they
go BACK to nothing, so there's no harm done to the CoE.

>> Also, how could there have been a higher
>> intelligence like god before the big bang when there was no time for this
>> higher intelligence to exist in.  ie. time did not exist before the big
>> bang so there was no "before" the big bang.  

>Look at the generally accepted definition of "God." And I quote: "I am the Alpha 
>and the Omega.  I have always been and always will be."  God, by his *very 
>defintion* exists outside of the temporal realm.  According to physics a being 
>Who is the definition of infinity is impossible.  Yet that is the generally 
>accepted definition of God.  Infinity.  He is eternal.  

 Only the Christians accept that definition. I don't see how it
applies to Thor, Venus or Osiris, for instance.

>> Also god couldn't have done
>> "it" any way he wanted to because the laws of physics strictly determine
>> how "it" happens.  There can be no straying from these laws.  If you want
>> my references then read a Paul Davies or Stephen Hawking book.  It's all
>> there.

>
--  
>>  Greg 'Bonz' Newman
    Would you care for a drink?
     I think not, answered Descartes -- and vanished.

