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From: mcv@inter.NL.net (Miguel Carrasquer)
Subject: Re: -sk
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Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 22:16:01 GMT
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In article <39dpgb$3p2@monmouth.edu>,
Wlodek Dobosiewicz <dobo@moncol.monmouth.edu> wrote:
>In article <CyH0DM.6xx@inter.NL.net> Miguel Carrasquer writes:
>>
>>Yes.  The Slavic form is -isk-, where short -i- becomes a palatalization
>>- "mjagkij znak" - or disappears in the modern languages, e.g. Polish Polski
>>(not Pol/ski), pan'ski, etc.  This is exactly the same as Germanic -isk-.
>>The suffix also appears in Greek (-iskos, as in Asteriskos and Obeliskos:
>>the Gaulish suffix -rix "rex" is unrelated :-).
>
>Where did you get the i- in -sk- from?

From Old Church Slavonic, where it was still written (and pronounced).
Old Slavic used two symbols ( b and -b, Russian mjagkij & tverdy
znak), known as "jers" or ultra-short vowels.  Historically they
are descended (mostly) from Indo-European short i and u (whereas
long i and u give i and y in Slavic).

>In Polish, there is nothing special about i-sk- as opposed to o-sk-,
>u-sk-, a-sk- e-sk- or just about anything-sk-
>This "mjagkij znak" theory seems spurious to me (as much respect as I have
>for your postings in general).
>Examples:
>plaski (flat)
>czeski (Czech)
>gloska (sound)
>francuski (French)
>me,ski (man's)

The ultrashort -i- in -'ski causes the following palatalizations:

b > b' > b [p]	serb:serbski
p > p' > p	chl/op:chl/opski
w > w' > w [f]	-o'w:-owski
m > m' > m	dama:damski
n > n'		pan:pan'ski
t > c or s	s'wiat:s'wiecki, or *pl/at:pl/aski
d > dz [c]	gro'd:grodzki, *lud-:ludzki
s > s' > s	Sas:saski
z > z' > z [s]	Francuz:francuski (<francuzski)
l/> l		kos'cio'l/:kos'cielski ?		
r > r' > r ?	rycerz:rycerski (can't think of other words)
k > c		kozacki
g > z. > z	boski (< boz.ski) , me,ski (<me,z.ski)
ch > sz > s	wl/oski, czeski (<czeszski)

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