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From: pindor@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor)
Subject: Re: Lucas & Penrose's use of Godel
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In article <3tr9ji$em9@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Matthew P Wiener <weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu> wrote:
>In article <BILL.95Jul9150141@ca2.nsma.arizona.edu>, bill@nsma (Bill Skaggs) writes:
>>weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>>   In article <DBD1Kp.21A@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>, pindor@gpu (Andrzej Pindor) writes:
>>   >For a lot of people there is plenty of evidence that brain is a some
>>   >kind of a computer.
>
>>   I notice almost none of these people are working neurobiologists.
>
>>I am a working neurobiologist, and I agree with what Andrzej says --
>>though I have to admit that it depends on a rather liberal use of the
>>word "computer".
>
>Rather liberal use, yes.  I wouldn't argue with that.  But it goes
>beyond what the relevant AI dogma claims.
>
>>		   The brain is certainly not a digital computer.
>
>The question of interest is whether the part that can be modelled digitally
>is what we consider our higher faculties.  A large part of our thinking
>seems to be driven by our emotions, and our emotions seem to have a heavy
>chemical aspect.  Do I need to mention immunological influences?

You are right, this is the question of interest. Now, are you claiming that 
chemical processes (and immunological infulences) cannot be modelled
digitally? Perhaps Goedel proved this?

>-- 
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

Andrzej
-- 
Andrzej Pindor                        The foolish reject what they see and 
University of Toronto                 not what they think; the wise reject
Instructional and Research Computing  what they think and not what they see.
pindor@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca                           Huang Po
