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From: pindor@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor)
Subject: Re: Penrose and Searle (was Re: Roger Penrose's fixed ideas)
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In article <3b5e1i$d2o@news-rocq.inria.fr>,
Mikal Ziane (Univ. Paris 5 and INRIA)  <ziane@monica.inria.fr> wrote:
>In article <CzH78F.4Eq@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>, pindor@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor) writes:
>
>|> As someone who defended the TT in this forum, let me once again stress
>|> the rationale of this defence: better bird in hand than two in the bush.
>|> If critics of TT proposed any alternative, there would be something to 
>|> discuss. As it is, saying "there is _more_ to thinking/intelligence than
>|> passing the TT" is meaningless if you can't say what this _more_ is. 
>|> Whatever flaws we in the TT we can point out, it is the best we have.
>
>I find your posting very surprising.
>You seem to assume that defining intelligence is somehow arbitrary !

Where do I assume the above? It is subjective, but this is different form
'arbitrary'.

>This is of course wrong since many defintions are obviously unacceptable.
>Thus we do have some idea of what intelligence is, which allows us to
>tell which defintion is good and why.

Which one is "good" then?

>It might be difficult to say how to give a better definition than TT
>but still quite meaningful to say that TT is not perfect.
>
It certainly a meaningful thing to say about anything.

>I think someone has already posted a reply to that kind of weird
>statement.
>
>Mikal

Andrzej
-- 
Andrzej Pindor                        The foolish reject what they see and 
University of Toronto                 not what they think; the wise reject
Instructional and Research Computing  what they think and not what they see.
pindor@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca                           Huang Po
