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Subject: Re: It is AI when...
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>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:22:41 -0600
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In article <1992Nov11.074800.16835JPII@tygra.Michigan.COM>,
dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov10.204536.16987@psych.toronto.edu> christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green) writes:
> >In article <Stafford-101192104649@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
> >>Complete AI is when a machine produces useful, unsolicited
> >>solutions to unanticipated problems and we cannot discern 
> >>it's methods.
> >
> >So, if after such a machine has produced as useful, unsolicited solution
> >to an unanticipated problem, we tear it apart and figure how what it's
> >method must have been, the formerly intelligent behavior becomes unintelligent
> >(because we can now discern its method)? 

Well, it at least becomes less interesting when discerned.

> 
> Indeed, since we are constantly trying to "tear apart" the brain and figure
> out how it works, will we one day decide that our own behaviour is not
> intelligent (once we can discern its method)?

There is an interesting philosophy which asserts that one cannot
completely know the tool which is knowing.  This leads us to the
concept of consciousness or the _origin_ of creating the methods
which were used in the machine above.  


