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>From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
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Subject: Re: An apology to Mr. Krishnaprased (was re: Godel's
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In article <1992Apr24.221355.15409@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom Blenko) writes:
TB:

>Zeleny has contributed far more to this forum than Trivedi or his other
>detractors....
>...I think it would be improved [by] greater substance, which Zeleny delivers,
>even if the style of delivery doesn't have all the appeal it might.


I have nothing against anyone contributing to the substance, although
some people who are less THINKING and more ARGUMENTATIVE always manage
to pull the level of discussion down. In addition, the "style" in question
does not refer to spelling, grammar, or diction, but to unwarranted nasty
personal attacks (IMHO). I have seen it many times. It has always developed
in the same direction.

When someone told him:
	everyone knows you're bright, in some ways, so quit trying to
	make yourself look superior by dumping on others...
Mr Zeleny saw fit to respond with
	You see,..., I really don't give a fuck whether you, or anybody else,
	decide to patronize me or to belittle me; [...] I happen to give a 
	fuck when someone decides to fuck with them old Platonic Ideals...
Some mathematical substance there!

Don't forget that Mr Zeleny *could* have chosen the substance himself.
Mr Krishnaprased had recommended some BEGINNERS' level reading on Goedel's
theorem in response to an inquiry; he characterized certain books or proofs
as difficult (even I understood that he meant "difficult for beginners"),
which is routine academic discourse IMHO.
It was not, as Mr Zeleny was later smarting, personally insulting to anyone:
he did not suggest that logicians should give up on writing books and
become janitors, or that Mr Enderton was fit only for polishing shoes,
or anything like that. 
Mr Zeleny, instead of launching into "free career advice [to Mr Krishnaprased]"
and openly forwarding that most ill-mannered and unjustified ridicule to "Herb"
for the latter's amusement, could just possibly have chosen to talk about
Godel's theorems, logic, his own favorite proofs or textbooks, or whatever.

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