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From: rturkel@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: Re: Macedonian Language?
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In article <3v6so8$3em@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Tsamaidis Harry <htsa1@geko.eng.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>Rick Turkel (rturkel@cas.org) wrote:
>FYROM= Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
>%What's the problem with allowing the natives to name their own language?
>%_They_ call it Macedonian; why shouldn't we?
>------------------
>  Are these individuals free?  Are they democratic?
>    or.....are they former communists??

What difference does this make in whether or not it's a distinct language?
Why should their political stance have any bearing at all?  Are they
immediately to be discredited simply because of their prior political
system?  Talk about ad hominem arguments!!

>%>>- If FYROMian is just the same as Bulgarian, or a dialect of Bulgarian,
>%>>  or an independant language ?
>%>
>%>That sounds closer to the mark.
>
>%It's closer to Bulgarian than to Serbian, but it's not mutually
>%intelligible with either.
>---------------------------
>    "not mutually intelligible" is true.
>  ... but some understanding can filter through
>in the same was that an english speaking person
>can read 'french'.

So what?  No one contends that English and French are the same language.

>%Yes, although the Greeks won't admit it, and have tried to suppress the
>%use of Macedonian within Greece.
>-------------------------
>    Macedonian?  theres no such thing, officially.
>    FYROMian is the *temporary* name of the spurious
>    language spoken in FYROM.

Yes, a temporary name invented by Greeks who have a political ax to grind.
The language, however, is hardly spurious, and is called Macedonian by
everyone _except_ these Greeks.

>%>But, mostly, I was wondering...I heard that there, in this relatively
>%>new state called Macedonia (by the press?) and possibly in northern
>%>Greece, people spoke a language--may be I just assumed it was called
>%>"Macedonian" for lack of knowing a better name--but the Greek government
>%>said "No, everyone there speaks Greek."  I don't even know if that
>%>was an accurate press release.
>%>So, what do they speak?
>%>How is it related/fixed in the Indo-European language family tree?
>%It's a Slavic language, specifically East South Slavic (in the same
>%branch as Bulgarian).
>%>Why is it so hard to get a straight answer?
>
>%Can you say "politics," boys and girls?
>
>---------
>HTSA1:
>-Macedonian HISTORY is Greek HISTORY.
>-Contemporary Macedonian POLITICS is a bunch
> of Greek, Slav(FYROM), and Bulgarian propagandist SHIT!

Of which you seem to be quite full, sir (at least the Greek part)!

>http://bambam.eng.monash.edu.au/users/htsa1/macedonia/mak.html
>http://uhaul.phyast.pitt.edu/~guest/mak.html


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