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From: mcv@inter.NL.net (Miguel Carrasquer)
Subject: Re: basque/guanche/pictish/ligurian etc.
Message-ID: <D06z9v.6MC@inter.NL.net>
Keywords: basque,guanche,pictish,ligurian
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References: <3bhj13$id@kcl.fi> <D02zBI.LqG@inter.NL.net> <3bn948$sm6@kcl.fi>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:32:18 GMT
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In article <3bn948$sm6@kcl.fi>, Tero . Tommila <sepe@rankki.kcl.fi> wrote:
>In <D02zBI.LqG@inter.NL.net> mcv@inter.NL.net (Miguel Carrasquer) writes:
>>Lusitanian is Indo-European, related to Celtic, but different
>>(for instance, one inscriptions reads: PORKOM "pig" (acc.),
>>showing that Lusitanian maintains IE *p, which disappears
>>in Celtic).
> 
>Has this something to do with the "Celtiberes" or "Galicians" (which were,
>at least, Celtic) ?
>Is it possible that earlier there was a non-IE "substratum" on the area of
>Lusitanian ? Any traces ?
>Hard to believe that an IE language was originally spoken in Hispania/
>Lusitania 
>when there were such "old" languages like Basque and Iberian...

The Celtiberes (roughly in the area between Zaragoza and Madrid)
were Celtic speaking, with Iberian substrate.
The Gallaeci were also Celtic, as were some othe tribes more to
the South (in modern Andalusia).  The linguistic map of the
Iberian peninsula at the time of the Roman conquest looked 
something like:

                               Aquitani
Gallaeci  Cantabri - Vascones / 
(Celtic)       ("Pre-Iberian")               Ilergetes-Lacetani
                                       (Iberian w. Celtic adstrate)
   |                 Celtiberians
   |           (Celtic w. Iberian substr.)        /
Lusitani                                         /
("Pre-Celtic")    Carpetani/Vetoni              /
   |                (Celtic ?)          Iberians Proper
                                    (Edetani, Bastetani...)
Cinetes      Turdetani                /     
("Pre-Iber.")(Tartessians)     -------


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