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From: crumpley@cftnet.com (Crumpley)
Subject: Re: Penrose's new book
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In article <1994Oct26.174737.23875@math.ucla.edu>, zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu (Michael Zeleny) says:
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>In article <38k7mr$j41@netaxs.com> sparky@netaxs.com (Tim Sheridan) writes:
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>>Michael Zeleny (zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu) wrote:
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>If it is too complex for mathematics, it is too complex for
>understanding, including the sort responsible for your claims.
>

Some of you really need to get outside more often.  There are many things
that are too complex for mathematics, including simple things like the 
ratio of a circle to its diameter, that are easily understood.  Ever
fallen in love?  Most normal, functioning humans understand the concept
and experience of love--how do you model it mathematically?

I think this level of scientific fundamentalism is no different from
other forms of religious fanaticism.  The sad thing is, the people who
worship at this particular church seem totally unaware of the limitations
of their chosen deity, while claiming to be free of all ideological
constraints.


Glenn Crumpley
