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From: brobbins@newbridge.com (Bert Robbins)
Subject: Re: Software Leasing
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:09:34 GMT
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Richard Steven Walz (rstevew@armory.com) wrote:
: In article <3fjk9b$1q8@booz.bah.com>,  <pole@sartre.ads.com> wrote:
: >
: >In article <D2Lv28.JsB@armory.com>, <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
: >> Naw! This post above is just a commercialization of the net! He should have
: >> his butt kicked. If *I* need some software for a short time, *I* just STEAL
: >> it, and I recommend that others do too!!! You can just about find anything
: >> among my circle of friends!!!
: >> -Steve Walz  rstevew@armory.com
: >> 
: >
: >I find it amazing that you consider "commercialization of the net"
: >to be evil, and the person should be punished, but you recommend
: >robbery as a morally superior activity. When you steal software
: >you are not ripping off some mythical money manager, you are 
: >stealing the jobs of the engineers who should be paid for their
: >labors. Most of the cost of commercial software (that's stuff you're
: >..excuse me one is supposed to pay for) is in labor. Labor means
: >money paid to people.
: >
: >The government put a small fortune into starting the internet, 
: >they are not going to continue paying for it.
: >The net is not free, anyone who thinks it is is very naive; 
: >and its users and uses change daily. Deal with it.
: ---------------------------------------------------
: Software is overpriced because we are supposed to steal it. That is true
: because the rate of infrastructure upgrade in this country relies on
: computer-folk learning to use the new stuff on their OWN TIME and THEN
: being a ready source of talent for industry and government! I didn't MAKE
: it that way, but it IS that way!!! They overprice it to rip each other off
: as much as the market will bear, (corporations). They never intended the
: poor computer-folk, who could NEVER afford it, not have access to it, and
: it would mean the death of over two thirds of all small start-up companies
: to go fishing in their disk boxes for pirated stuff. Thus, because the
: nation would colllapse without it, the laws about copyright with respect to
: software are impossible and even undesirable in this country and others, to
: even TRY to enforce!!! NOW! Shithead! *YOU DEAL WITH IT!!!* NOBODY is being
: deprived of income, because LESS of their software would be purchased and
: NOT MORE if they enforced their so-called ownership!!! NOBODY would fucking
: know how to use it and it would never get even recommended to LOSER
: managers and ownership!!! What you, in your yuppified glow of greed fail to
: see clearly, is that you are being short-sighted and ignoring the existent
: situation we all live in which has arisen due to market necessity!!!

: There is not JUST something warm and fuzzy about the net hackerism re:
: "The Free Access To Information". Humans have always been the most successful
: when they cooperated and did each other the favors as they could, and have
: always *FUCKED* themselves/everybody in the ASS when they DIDN"T!!!! The
: market forces have spoken, in their wisdom, that it is both UNWORTHWHILE
: *AND a *BAD THING* (tm) to interfere with low income software piracy!!! 
: It's time for *YOU* idiots to get into congruence with the "Market Forces"
: you seem to worship!!! If you want a fucking swimming pool, go dig one!
: -Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

Steve,

I would like you to come over to my house and write some software, do
some yard work and paint the house. As for how much I'm going to pay
you well forget it your time isn't worth anything.

If I have a problem with my plumbing and can't fix it myself I call
a plumber. If I don't pay the plumber he will put a mechanic's lein
on my house and will eventually get paid when I sell the house.

Software isn't free, never has been and never will be. Software placed
in the public domain, free, is great and a decision was made by the 
people who developed it not to charge money for it. But, if my 
primary source of income, corporation or contractor, is developing
software then I expect to get paid for my labor and if I don't get
paid for my labor then my labor is going to stop.

Stealing, no matter how it is justified, is still stealing and it
is a crime morally and legally.

Next time I'm in your neck of the woods and need a car I think I'll
just take yours. As long as you are not using it I might as well
get some use out of it.

--
Bert Robbins                             Newbridge Networks Inc.
brobbins@newbridge.com                   593 Herndon Pwky
703 708-5949                             Herndon, VA 22070
