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From: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Dutch gender [was: Re: Creolisation of English
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In article <32F1BCFD.311C@natlab.research.philips.com>,
Lenderink, dr. E. <lenderin@natlab.research.philips.com> wrote:
>Daniel von Brighoff wrote:
>> 
>> >>So what are some
>> >>"irregularities" that post-creole English has jettisoned that its non-
>> >>creolised relatives, like Dutch, have retained?
>> >
>> >Now that's a tougher question. Gender of the definite article, for
>> >instance. Retained by French, Dutch,
>> 
>> Retained in Standard Dutch, not in all dialects.
>
>This remark is completely wrong. ALL Dutch dialects retain the 
>distinction DE for masculine/feminine gender and HET for neuter.
>Actually, there are a few Ducth dialects that retain even more gender
>distinctions: DEN for masculine and DE for feminine. (Some of the
>dialects spoken close to the Dutch-German border.)

I'm just going by what I read on this newsgroup a few months ago.  A
Belgian posted, complaining that Dutch dictionaries no longer listed 
gender in the noun entries and more than one poster replied that the
distinction was dead in some northern Netherlandic dialects.  Not being
one myself, I'd like to hear what Netherlandic speakers have to say to
this.

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