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From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing your name in another language
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Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:18:53 GMT
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In article <D2HrA2.Mz3@actrix.gen.nz> "Paul J. Kriha" <kriha_p@actrix.gen.nz> writes:
>iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) wrote:
>> In article <D2G9pL.F36@actrix.gen.nz> "Paul J. Kriha" <kriha_p@actrix.gen.nz> writes:
>> >[Czech] "Slav slavne^ sla'vu slavny'ch Sla'vu'!"
>> [...]
>>   `Gloriously glorify the glorious Glaurung's glory.'
[...]
>Not bad, not bad at all.
>However, it's not quite the real McCoy.
>
>(1) try to do it without the "the".

Be my guest.  `Gloriously glorify glorious Glaurung's glory.'
It sounds even better now.

>(2) the words by Dobrovsky were derived from the same
>    stem slav-.

Except possibly for the last one.  (See below.)

>    They had had historically related meanings but when
>    he used them they already were different sememes
>    (semantemes). (Is that the right term?).

Apparently not, but I don't know what the right term is,
because I don't know what you're trying to say.

>    The glor- words are nouns, verbs, adjectives
>    and adverbs af the same "glory".

What's the difference?

>(3) Sorry, I am not familiar with The Silmarillion.
>    Are you saying that "Glaurung" is grammatically 
>    derived from the stem "glor-".

No, certainly not, but, last I checked, there was no definite proof
that the last word in your Czech sentence is derived from the same
stem as the remaining four.  (Check a few etymological dictionaries.)

-- 
`Don't know whit ye're bletherin aboot', said Peter.    (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk, iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
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