I KNOW YOU KNOW SO THAT'S WHAT'S SO BAD AND AND YOU MAY TEST NEGATIVE THIS TIME BUT YOU MAY TEST POSITIVE YOU KNOW TWO WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD I KNOW SO THE TEST IS RELEVANT FOR THAT VERY DAY BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOREVER WELL THAT'S RIGHT AND I THINK YOU KNOW PEOPLE GIVE BLOOD INNOCENTLY ENOUGH YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH ASSUHING THAT THEY'RE OKAY I DON'T SUPPOSE ANYBODY WOULD GIVE BLOOD IF THEY FELT THEY I DON'T KNOW I GUESS THEY MIGHT BUT UH YOU KNOW I I WOULD HATE TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE I WOULD NEED A TRANSFUSION OR MY CHILDREN I THINK IT WOULD BE A REAL SCARY THING OH YEAH AND AND LIKE WHEN I WENT IN THE HOSPITAL YOU HAVE TO SIGN A PAPER SAYING THAT THAT YOU'LL ALLOW THEM TO GIVE BLOOD IF THEY IF YOU NEED IT OTHERWISE THEY WON'T DO THE SURGERY +NOISE+ SO WHAT DO YOU DO I MEAN YEAH YOU'RE GIVEN THE OPTION OF SIGNING OR NOT SIGNING BUT IF YOU SAY NO I DON'T WANT THE BLOOD THEN THEY THEY MAY SAY WELL THEN I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE SURGERY YEAH REALLY YEAH RIGHT WELL BECAUSE YEAH THEN WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO I'M RIGHT RIGHT WHAT WHAT CAN THEY DO THEY HAVE NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE I SUPPOSE UH +NOISE+ WELL I I DON'T KNOW I MEAN I JUST +NOISE+ BUT THEN I THINK WELL +NOISE+ A YEAH I GUESS THAT BASICALLY I DO THINK WE JUST NEED MORE RESEARCH BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO SORT OF BE OUR ONLY ANSWER WELL THAT'S RIGHT AND THEY'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEY CAN'T PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER AND JUST SAY WELL YOU KNOW THE RESEARCH IS GOING ON AND DOING GOOD ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE'S NO CURE YET YOU GOT IT YEAH WELL AND I WORRY YOU KNOW THE OLDER MY CHILDREN GET THE MORE CHANCES OF EXPOSURE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE I MEAN I CAN'T IMAGINE WELL EVEN FOR YOU BEING A SINGLE PERSON I MEAN I THINK +NOISE+ GOSH HOW SCARY YOU KNOW TO MEET PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW +NOISE+ OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM +NOISE+ I PROBABLY WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT +NOISE+ OH GOSH WHAT A SHAME +NOISE+ UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ WELL YOU MIGHT YOU KNOW EVENTUALLY +NOISE+ YEAH THAT MIGHT EVENTUALLY HAPPEN SLIGHT CHANCE YOU THINK UGH OH BUT UH IT IS IT'S LIKE OKAY SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS +NOISE+ I MEAN +NOISE+ I MEAN REALLY THEN WE'LL TALK I KNOW WELL IT'S JUST A IT'S JUST A SAD THING AND I DON'T KNOW HOPEFULLY THIS IS GOING TO GET TAKEN CARE OF AT SOME POINT YEAH YEAH WELL THEY'RE DOING A LOT OVER IN EUROPE WITH IT AND I KNOW WHEN RANDY WAS SO SICK HE WAS HAVING MEDICATIONS FLOWN IN FROM EUROPE BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET HIS HANDS ON IT OVER HERE AND UH UH-HUH OH THIS WAS YOUR HUSBAND WASN'T IT THAT'S RIGHT I'VE FORGOTTEN THAT YOU TOLD ME THAT BUT I'D FORGOTTEN YEAH SO HE WAS HE HAD A LOT OF MEDICATION COMING IN FROM EUROPE UH-HUH +NOISE+ A Z T +NOISE+ AND THEN HE FINALLY WAS ABLE TO GET THE WHAT IS THE A Z T OVER HERE ONLY BECAUSE HE HAD CONNECTIONS THAT WAS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME UH SO I DON'T KNOW BUT THEY'VE GOT TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S EVERYWHERE TO EVERYBODY WELL I KNOW AND YOU KNOW AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE THAT CAN USE IT I YOU KNOW IF I WERE SICK I WOULD TRY ANYTHING I THINK I MEAN WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE OF COURSE I MEAN +NOISE+ THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S NOT THAT'S WHAT'S SO CRAZY I MEAN WHAT'S TO LOSE AT THIS POINT THERE'S NOTHING TO LOSE SO YOU MAY AS WELL DO WHATEVER YOU GOT TO DO I WOULD IF IT WERE ME YEAH OR IF IT WAS ONE OF MY KIDS YEAH I MEAN YEAH YOU'D WANT YOU'D WANT EVERYTHING AVAILABLE AND THEN TO THINK WELL IT'S AVAILABLE BUT YOU I MEAN YOU KNOW YOU COULD ONLY GET IT IN EUROPE UH RIGHT NO PROBLEM WOULD BE A TERRIBLE YEAH YEAH THAT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE THING BUT UH HOW LONG WAS HE HOW LONG WAS RANDY SICK A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS UH A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AND AT THAT POINT HE WAS THE FIFTH FIFTH LONGEST SURVIVOR BUT SEE THAT WAS ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO YEAH OOH SO HE WAS REALLY SUSCEPTIBLE AND NOW THEY'RE LIVING A WHOLE LOT LONGER +NOISE+ SO BUT HE I MEAN JEEZ HE HAD EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN HE HAD HEPATITIS HE HAD MENINGITIS HE GOT THROAT CANCER AND HE NEVER SMOKED EVEN A GRAPEVINE MUCH LESS A CIGARETTE YOU KNOW UH JUST YOU NAME IT HE HE JUST OH IT WAS HORRIBLE IT WAS HORRIBLE THAT'S AWFUL YEAH AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE DIE FOUR MONTHS AFTER RANDY DID HUH AND UH HE DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS SICK HE'D JUST YOU KNOW HAD A COLD THAT HE COULDN'T SHAKE ALL WINTER AND KEPT GETTING SICKER AND SICKER AND FINALLY WENT IN THE HOSPITAL AND UH HE HAD PNEUHONIA AND BOTH LUNGS WERE FULL AND HE DIED WITHIN ABOUT SIXTEEN HOURS UH-HUH UH-HUH OF GOING TO THE HOSPITAL UH WELL IN SOME WAYS THAT'S A BLESSING YEAH I MEAN IT'S SUCH A AWFUL THING TO SUFFER THROUGH WELL MY HUH YEAH YEAH AND HIS FRIEND HAD DIED THE YEAR BEFORE AND THEY SWORE IT WASN'T AIDS BUT I KNOW DARN GOOD AND WELL IT WAS YEAH YEAH YOU KNOW SO +NOISE+ OOH IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S CLOSE TO HOME WELL I KNOW IT IS WELL MY TWO FRIENDS BOTH ONE ONE LIVED A FAIRLY LONG TIME WITH IT I'D SAY KEN HAD IT WELL HE THINKS HE HAD HE WAS H I V FOR TEN YEARS YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU'RE KIDDING NO HE THINKS HE HAD IT EVEN BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES UH UH MY GOSH AND THEN HE DIED IN EIGHTY NINE SO AND THEN HARRY UH-HUH THE AIDS ISSUE IS IS A BIT OF A PROBLEM I GUESS THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND NOT HAVING ANY IMMEDIATE FRIENDS WITH THAT PROBLEM IS IS THE FINANCIAL END AND HOW CAN A COUNTRY STAND TO UH SPEND AS MUCH OR MUCH MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE ON SUCH A PROBLEM UH BUT THEN THAT KIND OF THINKING IS ALSO TEMPERED WITH THE THE KNOWLEDGE OR AT LEAST THE THE RUHOR I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT THAT UH WE'RE NOT SPENDING AS MUCH PER LET'S SAY AFFLICTED PERSON ON CANCER UH THERE'S SOME UH TAKE BREAST CANCER FOR INSTANCE IT SEEMS TO BE DOING MUCH MORE DAMAGE AND AFFECTING MUCH MORE MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN AIDS AND YET UH MORE PEOPLE DIE OF IT AND YET THE FUNDING HAS ALREADY UH EXCEEDED AIDS HAS MORE MONEY THAN UH BREAST CANCER +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THAN WELL THAT'S INTERESTING ISN'T IT YEAH RIGHT +NOISE+ WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA SO UH I MEAN IF IT'S TRUE I I'VE I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THESE THINGS I'VE NEVER BOTHERED TO DIG IT OUT AND MAKE SURE BUT UH I'VE HEARD IT ON MORE THAN ONE DOCUHENTARY THAT UH THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT WHOEVER'S SITTING UP THERE MAKING THESE DECISIONS OR WHATEVER INSTITUTIONS RAISE THE MONEY AND UH IT'S JUST ONE BIG P R CAMPAIGN THAT YEAH WE THINK THAT'S THE WORLD'S WORST THING SO LET'S GIVE MONEY TO AIDS AND YET WE'VE HAD BREAST CANCER PROBLEMS FOR YEARS AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE UH COURSE ONE OF THE SHOWS I SAW WAS TAKING IT FROM THE ANGLE THAT SINCE IT DOESN'T EFFECT MEN IT'S NOT GOING TO GET FUNDED AND UH HAVING THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE +NOISE+ WELL I I KIND OF I THOUGHT WELL THAT THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE SINCE THERE ARE A LOT OF MEN IN CONTROL OF THAT KIND OF THING BUT THEN I GOT I GOT TO THINKING THE THE NUHBER ONE KILLER OF MEN SEEMS TO BE THE PROSTATE AND THERE'S ONLY ONE TEST THAT JUST RECENTLY GOT DEVELOPED UH A BLOOD ANTIGEN UH ANTIBODY TEST FOR THE ANTIGEN IN THE BLOOD AND THAT'S FAIRLY RECENT AND YET MEN HAVE BEEN DYING FROM PROSTATE CANCER FOR YEARS THEY'VE NOT REALLY GIVEN IT ATTENTION EITHER YEAH RIGHT SO IT'S NOT REALLY CURED YEAH IT'S NOT UH NOT THAT HEAVILY FUNDED EITHER AND THEN THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE THE MAJOR UH PROBLEMS THAT MEN HAVE IN THE REALM OF CANCER SO I DON'T KNOW I I GUESS THERE'S JUST SOME STRANGE PUBLIC OPINION AS TO WHO THEY WANT TO GIVE TO UH BE IT THROUGH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS MARCH OF DIMES TYPE UH TELETHONS OR OR BICYCLE RIDES OR WHATEVER HOW THEY FUND WHATEVER UH ILLNESS THEY WISH IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TO GET AN EVEN KEEL ON THAT I MEAN IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WELL THERE'S YOU KNOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER YEAR AFFECTED BY THIS ONE SO LET'S GIVE IT THIS AMOUNT AND THEN THIS OTHER ONE'S ONLY A TENTH OF THAT SO GIVE IT A TENTH OF THAT AND AND JUST KEEP +NOISE+ DOLING IT OUT THAT WAY OR RIGHT WELL I'M I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONE THAT'S THAT'S IN CHARGE OF OF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS THEY UH YOU WISH THAT THERE COULD JUST BE MONEY FOR ALL THESE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SO SERIOUS YOU KNOW I MEAN IT'S NOT SO SERIOUS I GUESS UNTIL IT AFFECTS YOUR FAMILY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING +NOISE+ SO I I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THAT +NOISE+ RESPONSIBILITY JUST PERSONALLY BUT BUT THEN AGAIN WE REALLY WE REALLY DO HAVE IT AS A SOCIETY TO DECIDE WHICH THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS +NOISE+ I UH I GUESS I IT IT FRIGHTENS ME TO THINK +NOISE+ OF SO MANY PEOPLE WITH WITH AIDS AND WITH CANCER AND MANY OF THOSE THINGS UH IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO TO BE INSURED THEN THE COUNTRY'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER RIGHT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH PREVENTION OR OR +NOISE+ TREATMENT OR YOU KNOW JUST UH JUST HELPING THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES IT SEEMS LIKE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WE'RE GOING TO END UP PAYING FOR IT THAT'S TRUE BUT +NOISE+ JUST CHANGE OUR YOU KNOW THE THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD UH I'VE HAD SEVERAL MINUTES TO THINK ABOUT THIS AFTER I UH WHILE I WAS FINDING PEOPLE I UH I COULD THINK ABOUT THE TOPIC LONGER THAT THE PERSON THAT RECEIVES IT SO IT'S KIND OF A A UNFAIR ADVANTAGE AS IT WERE BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT OF ON THIS IS I WONDER IF THERE ISN'T ENOUGH MONEY UH IN OUR ECONOMY OR IN OUR SYSTEM UH IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES TO THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY DO A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD I MEAN YEAH THEY'RE KIND OF NICE BUT WE HAVE SUCH AN AFFLUENT SOCIETY SOCIETY THAT I WONDER IF IF WE TOOK A LITTLE FROM HERE AND THERE AND THE OTHER IF WE MIGHT WIND UP WITH A A CURE FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING OF COURSE THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ROOM TO PUT PEOPLE BUT THAT'S +NOISE+ RIGHT JUST CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES A LITTLE BIT YEAH YOU KNOW YOU HEAR THESE RIDICULOUS FIGURES FOR PIZZA OR YOU HEAR THESE THESE PHENOMENAL AMOUNTS OF DOLLARS SPENT FOR THIS THAT OR THE OTHER AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE ARTS THAT THAT ARE NICE AND AESTHETIC BUT ARE THEY THAT ENHANCING FOR THE FOR THE MASSES YOU KNOW THEY CERTAINLY DO WELL FOR THOSE WHO GO TO THE +NOISE+ SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA AND ALL THAT BUT UH HAD ALL THAT DONATION AND TIME AND LABOR AND EFFORT GONE TOWARD SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT WELL CHARLIE WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD WE SPEND MORE ON AIDS RESEARCH OR STAY THE SAME WELL I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE UH SPENDING ENOUGH SO I I THINK WE I I I THINK WE SHOULD SPEND MORE WHY DO YOU THINK WE DON'T SPEND ENOUGH UH LET'S SEE UH YOU KNOW TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH I I COULDN'T TELL YOU I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE SPENDING BUT FROM WHAT I FROM WHAT I HEAR UH FROM MOST OF THE YOU KNOW JUST READING ABOUT AIDS ADVOCACY GROUPS AND OH PEOPLE LIKE THAT UH THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF DEATHS UH LATELY UH LIKE ONE LADY THAT WAS ON THE PRESIDENT'S AIDS COMMITTEE UH THAT WE'RE NOT I IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE TAKING THE DISEASE AS AS SERIOUSLY AS WE NEED TO UH LOT OF LOT OF TALK ABOUT IT BUT WE'RE I DON'T KNOW WHAT DO YOU THINK WELL I AGREE WITH YOU I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF TALK BUT NOT DOLLARS YEAH AND YOU KNOW WE WE +NOISE+ OUR SITUATION WHERE WE'RE FACED WITH PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW CHOOSE A LIFESTYLE THAT MAY CAUSE AIDS +NOISE+ BUT THEN AT THE SAME TOKEN THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THE CHILDREN IN FLORIDA WHO DIDN'T CHOOSE A LIFESTYLE BUT THERE WAS NO HELP FOR THEM RIGHT AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO AS FAR AS THE GOVERNMENT GOES IS JUST TO DISPEL SOME OF THE MYTHS YOU KNOW DRINKING FROM A WATER FOUNTAIN WILL GIVE YOU AIDS UH-HUH USING A RESTROOM WILL GIVE YOU AIDS YEAH +NOISE+ BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN I FEEL LIKE HEART DISEASE CANCER MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS WHERE DO WE PUT THOSE IN PERSPECTIVE TO AIDS UH-HUH WELL I WONDER I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATISTICS ARE BUT I THINK UH IT'S UH THE NUHBERS OF OF PEOPLE INFECTED DO YOU KNOW HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY ARE WHAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING NOW NO I DON'T AND YOU KNOW I'M LIKE YOU I DO NOT KNOW WELL I YOU KNOW WHAT IT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING ON AIDS YEAH WHAT WHAT I THINK IS THAT IS THAT SOMEHOW IN IN OUR A LOT OF OUR MINDS IT'S STILL A DISEASE THAT AFFECTS PRIMARILY HOMOSEXUALS AND INTRAVENOUS DRUG USERS BUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THAT THAT IT'S IT'S UH ALSO IT'S AFFECTING A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN THAT YES +NOISE+ THAT THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE UH UH HETEROSEXUAL TRANSMISSION OF THE DISEASE THAN THAN WE PROBABLY THOUGHT RIGHT SO YOU KNOW I MEAN AS LONG AS IT'S AS LONG AS IT'S UH LIMITED TO THOSE TWO YOU KNOW TWO KIND OF NARROW AREAS HOMOSEXUALS AND INTRAVENOUS DRUG USERS IT IT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GET UNFORTUNATELY SAD TO SAY A LOT MORE LIP SERVICE THAN IT WILL ACTUALLY ACTUALLY DOLLARS AND UH IT MIGHT BE THAT +NOISE+ AS IT SPREADS AMONG THE GENERAL POPULATION MORE THAT THAT UH YOU KNOW AND AND IN ALL THESE STORIES ABOUT THESE KIDS WHO HAD TRANSFUSIONS AND THESE OH THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE HOUSEWIVES LATELY THAT WERE YOU KNOW NATIONAL NEWS THAT THEY HAD HAD UH AND THEY YOU KNOW AND THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY DIED YOU KNOW +NOISE+ LEFT BEHIND FAMILIES AND OH YEAH YEP WELL I'M IN TEXAS AND WE HAVE A TEACHER THAT DIED FROM AIDS YEAH OH YOU YOU ALL DID IN YOUR UH IN YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING YEAH WELL NOT MY SCHOOL DISTRICT BUT IT WAS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF A TRANSFUSION AND I THINK THAT GOT A LOT MORE PUBLICITY BECAUSE AGAIN IT WASN'T A MINORITY GROUP YEAH AND YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A SITUATION THAT HOPEFULLY CAN BE CONTROLLED YEAH YEAH I DON'T KNOW KIND OF KIND OF SCARY ACTUALLY YEAH WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF YOU'RE IN AN AUTO ACCIDENT AND UH YOU HAD NEED A BLOOD TRANSFUSION ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE BLOOD SUPPLY +NOISE+ IT IS FRIGHTENING YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT COULD BE YOU OR I AND THEN WHAT WOULD WE DO WE'D WANT HELP +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD OR WILL +NOISE+ YEAH WELL MY MOTHER HAD A BLOOD TRANSFUSION ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO UH-HUH YEAH YEAH AND I I WAS SCARED TO EVEN MENTION TO HER THAT THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WE COULDN'T GIVE SHE COULDN'T GIVE HER BLOOD AND WE COULDN'T GO DOWN TO GIVE OUR BLOOD FOR HER AND YOU KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY YEAH AND AND I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S UH AS LONG AS IT'S STILL PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING THAT IT'S MOSTLY EVEN PEOPLE THAT THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE CHOOSING TO PRACTICE THOSE LIFESTYLES THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW THAT'S THEIR CHOICE THAT THEY RAN THAT RISK I MEAN I YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S I HATE TO SAY THAT THAT SOUNDS NO BUT THE I AGREE WITH YOU YEAH AND I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW UH THAT SOUNDS COLD AND CRUEL BUT THAT'S PROBABLY AS LONG AS PEOPLE PERCEIVE OF IT BEING THAT WAY I I MEAN THAT PROBABLY EXPLAINS THE LACK OF UH LACK OF CONCRETE MONEY AND BIG EXPENSE UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YOU COULD GO FIRST PERHAPS OKAY +NOISE+ ON THIS ONE +NOISE+ I'LL START UH FUNDING I THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF IT OF THE FACT THAT THAT BY WHAT UH I THINK THEY SAID BY THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND THERE WILL BE AT LEAST FIVE IS IT FIVE THOUSAND A YEAR OR MORE IS THAT WHAT IT IS STATISTICALLY UH YEAH WE'LL BE DYING FROM IT AND I KNOW UH WHAT IS IT UH OVER IN AFRICA IT'S JUST +NOISE+ ALREADY IN HORRENDOUS UH RIGHT TRULY AN EPIDEMIC +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH IT REALLY IS SO IN LIGHT OF THAT I THINK THAT THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE FUNDING FOR RESEARCH I THINK THAT UH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE IT BUT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT ALL THE COUNTRIES COULD GO TOGETHER AND HAVE LIKE A JOINT AIDS RESEARCH PROGRAM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THOSE WHERE EVERYBODY COULD PUT IN THEIR INPUT DO YOU KNOW IF THAT EXISTS TODAY IF A I DON'T KNOW CROSS COUNTRY KIND OF COLLECTIVE UH-HUH UH-HUH I DON'T KNOW I DON'T I DON'T HEAR ABOUT RESEARCH THAT MUCH EXCEPT IN THE TERMS OF WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS DOING AND THE CELEBRITIES THAT'S YOU KNOW THE BENEFITS AND THINGS THAT THEY PUT ON FOR AIDS RESEARCH I DO I DID HEAR ABOUT UH AFRICA AND UH HOW RAMPANT IT IS OVER THERE YES AND I KNOW UH IN TALKING TO I HAVE A RELATIVE THAT WORKS FOR UH STATE WELFARE IN OKLAHOMA THE AIDS CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING IN WITH IT UH YEAH EXACTLY IT I MEAN IT IT'S IT'S TRAGIC IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S NOT JUST HOMOSEXUALS IT'S YOU KNOW HETEROSEXUALS IT'S YOU KNOW THE DRUG USERS IT'S INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW GO IN FOR BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS SO I MEAN IT'S STARTING TO AFFECT EVERYONE DO YOU THINK THAT THE VISIBILITY UH IS PART OF WHAT IS KEEPING IT IN THE LIMELIGHT THE FACT THAT THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE BEING DISCUSSED SO SO REGULARLY UH IS BECAUSE UH OF THE NATURE OF THE DISEASE THE FACT THAT IT'S SUCH A TERRIBLE WAY TO DIE AND SO ON I THINK THAT PROBABLY PARTLY IS IT I THINK THAT IT IS HAS RECEIVED SO MUCH MORE PUBLICITY SINCE WE HAVE HAD WELL KNOWN ACTORS ATHLETES UH-HUH EVERYTHING COME DOWN WITH IT I THINK THAT UH I DO AGREE WITH SOMEONE WHEN UH MAGIC JOHNSON ANNOUNCED UH THERE WAS A UH SPOKESPERSON FOR THE GAY COMMUNITY THAT CAME OUT AND SAID THAT YOU KNOW IT WOULD NOT BE RECEIVING THIS MUCH PUBLICITY IF IT WASN'T FOR SOMEONE LIKE MAGIC JOHNSON AND IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW VERY INTERESTING TO SEE IT'S TRUE IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF PUBLICITY UH-HUH THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT AND I THINK IT IT I THINK IT MAKES PEOPLE MORE AWARE THAT IT HITS OTHER THAN JUST THE GAY COMMUNITY SURE AND UH BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT IN LIGHT OF THE IN FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HIT ALL OF US I THINK WHAT ARE THEY SAYING BY THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND I THINK IT'S ONE IN THREE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT YOU KNOW IT IT BECAUSE IT IT IS IT'S SPREADING UH-HUH SO RAPIDLY I AGREE WITH YOU I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GREATER AMOUNT OF UH FUNDING SOURCES SET ASIDE FOR IT BUT I I KNOW THAT THE VISIBILITY OF IT IS PART OF WHAT IS CAUSING IT TO GET THIS ATTENTION NOW AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE EMPHASIS WOULD CONTINUE OVER THE LONG_TERM I MEAN I'M SURPRISED TO SEE THE NUHBERS OF UH PEOPLE WHO FOR EXAMPLE WHO WOMEN WHO HAVE BREAST CANCER AND HAVE DIED ARE EVEN GREATER THAN THE NUHBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED FROM AIDS OH I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT THE STATISTICS ARE HIGHER AND YET IT'S SUCH A BENIGN KIND OF A THING IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN WITH US FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S SUCH A WELL IT IS I KNOW THAT I I HEARD ANOTHER CONVERSATION REGARDING AIDS THE FACT THAT THAT YOU KNOW CANCER IS NOT RECEIVING THIS AND YET IS IS CANCER GROWING AT SUCH A RAPID RATE THAT MAY BE THE OTHER ISSUE YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S THAT IT'S IT'S REACHING EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS UH-HUH YOU KNOW AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS SCARING PEOPLE IS THAT IT IS REACHING SUCH EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS YOU KNOW WHERE IS IS CANCER ON THE IS IT RISING AS RAPIDLY UH-HUH YOU KNOW AS FOR INSTANCE AIDS YOU KNOW UH YES AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAY NOT BE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW EITHER YOU KNOW IT IT'S JUST UH AND GRANTED I I DO THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE PUBLICITY AND BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW GETTING IT AND EVERYTHING I THINK THAT THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE AWARE OF IT THAN YOU KNOW SAY IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE JUST DIES WITH CANCER UH-HUH UH-HUH WHICH IS IT'S A TRAGIC WAY I MEAN YOU KNOW UH-HUH IT'S TRAGIC THAT IT'S THAT WAY UH-HUH I I LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY RESOURCES THAT WERE DEDICATED TO UH THOSE WITH CANCER IN TERMS OF TRANSITIONAL LIVING ENVIRONMENTS AND UH VOLUNTEER SERVICES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WELL AIDS IS A NASTY TERRIBLE DISEASE AND YOU DIE FROM IT SO I THINK THAT UH THEY NEED TO LOOK INTO IT AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE CANCER I DON'T YOU KNOW HOW YOU THINK ABOUT AIDS RESEARCH UH-HUH MANY YEARS HAVE WE TRIED TO FIND A CURE FOR CANCER I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE AS DIFFICULT UH HOW ABOUT YOURSELF UH WELL I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF AIDS RESEARCH AND I THINK PROBABLY THE GOVERNMENT COULD SPEND A BIT MORE MONEY ON IT THAN IT DOES I THINK THAT BECAUSE BESIDES THE FACT THAT IT'S A DEADLY DISEASE THAT IT'S A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE SO THAT IT'S UH ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT KILLING THAT MANY PEOPLE NOW IT STILL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT OF CONTROL AND BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM UH-HUH YEAH THEY SAY A MILLION PEOPLE ARE INFECTED WITH THE H I V VIRUS AND UH YEAH I THINK UH IN THE COUNTRY AMERICA THAT'S IN THE WORLD OR IN AMERICA YOU OH REALLY YEAH UH THAT'S AND THEY HAVE MILLIONS WHOSE FIGURE IS THAT I DON'T KNOW I'VE JUST HEARD IT ON THE RADIO OKAY SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THINGS THAT ON THE RADIO THAT YOU KNOW COULD BE TRUE OR COULDN'T BE UH-HUH UH DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS I I GUESS THEY'RE SPENDING A BILLION OR SO A YEAR ON THIS AIDS RESEARCH UH-HUH DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD SPEND MORE UH I I THINK THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY ALTHOUGH PERHAPS NOT A AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THEY SHOULD UH FUND AIDS RESEARCH AND IN THE PROCESS NEGLECT CANCER RESEARCH OR WHATEVER I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH IN GENERAL WHAT DO YOU THINK DOUG OF MISTER JOHNSON UH MAGIC WELL I WELL I AM SORRY THAT HE HAS THE VIRUS I UH I DON'T KNOW I DON'T I THINK IT'S VERY STRANGE THAT THE MEDIA HASN'T UH QUESTIONED HIM MORE STRONGLY TO ABOUT GAY SEX OR INTRAVENOUS DRUGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS THEY PROBABLY WOULD FOR A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DO YOU THINK HE'S THE HERO THAT HE'S BEING CALLED BY A BUNCH OF OTHER A BUNCH OF THE MEDIA UH WELL NOT NOT REALLY THOUGH I MEAN I THINK HE'S PROBABLY DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR A MAN IN HIS POSITION BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING EXCEPTIONAL THAT HE'S DOING IT'S WHAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE DONE ALREADY WHO WERE JUST LESS FAMOUS UH-HUH YOU KNOW I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU KNOW HE CAME OUT I TALKED TO MY KIDS ABOUT IT YOU KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HADN'T HADN'T DONE BEFORE UH UH-HUH WELL THAT'S GOOD I'M GLAD THAT MISTER JOHNSON'S CHANGED HIS TUNE ON UH SAFE SEX TO ABSTINENCE OR UH-HUH I WAS GLAD HE DID THAT FOR YOUNG KIDS BECAUSE A LOT OF KIDS WOULD HAVE ENDED UP DYING BECAUSE OF WHAT HE WAS PROMOTING UH-HUH UH LET'S SEE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS UH YOU DON'T UH LET'S SEE I DON'T HAVE ANY FRIENDS THAT HAVE THE DISEASE I GUESS YOU MIGHT MIGHT NOT UH YEAH I DO MY COUSIN DOES FOR INSTANCE IS IT PRETTY AND UH NASTY YEAH YEAH IT IS HE'S ACTUALLY UH HE HAD AIDS RELATED COMPLEX FOR A WHILE AND HE IS NOW IN FULL BLOWN AIDS REALLY NOT DOING VERY WELL AND HAS A BRAIN TUHOR OR THAT SORT OF THING YEAH IT SOUNDS AWFUL YEAH IT'S IT'S A VERY NASTY THING IS IT JUST THAT THE IMMUNE SYSTEM CEASES TO FUNCTION PROPERLY AND UH YEAH THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY IT THAT UH THE IMMUNE SYSTEM CAN AT FIRST SLOW DOWN AND THE WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT GOES DOWN WHICH IS THAT'S AIDS RELATED COMPLEX BUT THEN WHEN THINGS GET COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL AND IT BASICALLY HITS BOTTOM THAT'S AIDS AND AND IN THAT CASE YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE PRONE TO GETTING ANY KIND OF YOU KNOW WEIRD CANCER THAT ONLY ANIMALS GOT BEFORE OH REALLY AND YEAH THAT SORT OF THING DISCUSS FUNDING FOR AIDS RESEARCH UH UH LET'S SEE I DON'T KNOW YES OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT SPENDING ENOUGH NOW SO YEAH WELL I DON'T KNOW I REALLY AM NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON AIDS AIDS RESEARCH I GET THE IMPRESSION IT'S A PRETTY SIZEABLE CHUNK OF MONEY I WAS ALWAYS UH UH I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS BUT RECENTLY UH SOMEBODY ON THE NEWS SAID THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH UH AIDS RESEARCH WAS THAT EACH TIME THEY FIND SOMEBODY WITH YOU KNOW ABOUT EVERY FOURTH OR FIFTH PERSON THEY'VE DIAGNOSED WITH AIDS HAS GOT A NEW STRAIN THEY SEEM TO BE MUTATING JUST LIKE ABOUT ABOUT LIKE THE COMMON COLD UH-HUH FINDING A CURE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS IN THE MAKING YEAH UH IT JUST DEPENDS I MEAN I THINK YOU KNOW THEY'LL PROBABLY SPEND TONS OF MONEY ON IT YOU KNOW UNDER THE AIDS NAME BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT JUST BEING DIRECTED IN THE RIGHT CHANNELS YOU KNOW WELL WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH OF IT'S YOU KNOW IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THAT PARTICULAR STUDY YEAH THE GENERAL YEAH GENERAL HUHAN WHERE SO MUCH MONEY GETS SPENT ON USELESS STUFF ANYWAYS I MEAN ON PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGNS AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING LIKE FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT THEY GET MAYBE EIGHTY CENTS OF IT GOES TO YOU KNOW AWARENESS I MEAN THAT'S TWENTY ONLY TWENTY CENTS FOR LEFT FOR ACTUAL RESEARCH AND I MEAN YEAH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THE MAGIC JOHNSON THING GAR YEAH THAT MIGHT HELP TO IT MIGHT HELP THE AWARENESS PART BUT UH YEAH I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE'S GOING TO YOU KNOW ACTUALLY SEE I'M JUST A LITTLE SKEPTICAL ON THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW FIRST WEEK THAT YOU HEARD ALL ABOUT THAT YOU KNOW IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE NEWS NOW IT'S KIND OF JUST YOU KNOW YOU HIT MOST OF IT HEAR ABOUT IT NOW IS WHEN HE SHOWED UP AT A LAKER GAME ON THE SIDELINES SO UH-HUH YEAH I DON'T KNOW IT YOU KNOW THE UH FUNDING SITUATION SEEMS TO BE THE SAME FOR SO MANY OF THE MAJOR DISEASES SO TO SPEAK THE UH BULK OF THE MONEY GOES TO ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WHICH USUALLY MEANS HIGH SALARIES FOR PEOPLE RUNNING THE SHOW AND A MAJOR NAME RESEARCHER IS INVOLVED WITH IT BUT YOU KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT ACTUALLY GETS DONE AS FAR AS TRUE RESEARCH EXACTLY UH I DON'T KNOW I JUST +NOISE+ BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS IT'S GETTING PRETTY UH OUT OF HAND I MEAN YEAH IT SEEMS EVERYWHERE YOU TURN SOMEBODY'S COMING UP WITH IT WILD PART ABOUT IT NOBODY SEEMS TO WANT TO SUGGEST THE IDEA THAT DOING WITHOUT IS THE ONLY SAFE WAY OF KEEPING FROM GETTING IT THEY FIGURED WELL YOU KNOW WE ALL WANT TO BE PROMISCUOUS SO THEY'RE JUST RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND YEAH I STILL DON'T KNOW ANYBODY PERSONALLY THAT'S HAD IT I MEAN I THINK I GUESS ONCE THAT HAPPENS AND IT YOU KNOW IT'S HIT CLOSE YOU KNOW THAT BUT YEAH NO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET IT FROM PROMISCUITY THERE'S THE SORTS WHO GET IT THROUGH BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS YEAH THAT'S JUST YEAH THAT'S THE SADDEST CASES OF ALL OF THAT'S SO UNFORTUNATE THE INNOCENT BYSTANDER UH-HUH OR THAT WOMAN WHO DIED JUST RECENTLY THE ONE WHO DIED JUST RECENTLY GOT IT UH FROM HER DENTIST SOMETHING LIKE TWENTY TWO TWENTY THREE YEARS OLD DIED OF AIDS SHE GOT IT BECAUSE HER DENTIST HAD IT AND DIDN'T USE ANY PRECAUTION I DON'T KNOW THOSE ARE THE SAD CASES YEAH IS UH IS THERE A BIG UH WHAT WHAT PART OF MISSISSIPPI DO YOU LIVE IN SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI YEAH OKAY IS THERE A DO YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF UH I I I DO KNOW THAT DOWN HERE UH UH PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT BECAUSE DALLAS THEY DIDN'T LIKE HARDLY GIVE ANY MONEY FOR THE UH AIDS PROGRAMS OUT HERE AND IN FACT HAD IT CUT BACK ON IT YOU KNOW BECAUSE THE CITY BUDGET AND THAT WAS A BIG THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW PROTESTING THAT LATELY OUT HERE AND I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS JUST INTERESTED YOU KNOW SINCE THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT GONE ON DOWN THERE OR UH RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE STATE BUDGET CONCERNING AIDS AWARENESS I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT THERE IS I KNOW THERE ISN'T ANY ON THE CITY LEVEL OR ON THE COUNTY LEVEL I'M NOT SURE IF THE STATE'S GOT MUCH OF ANYTHING ON THE AIDS AWARENESS I THINK MOST OF THE AIDS AWARENESS INFORMATION IS MORE OR LESS COMING THROUGH PRIVATE SECTOR UH YEAH I JUST NOTICED THAT YEAH THE IT WAS JUST SOME I MEAN HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND I THINK WAS ALL THAT YOU KNOW FOR A YEAR'S BUDGET THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING THAT'LL GET YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS I MEAN YEAH IT JUST YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW I MEAN OF COURSE THEN AGAIN MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING THE CUT IN THE BUDGET WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS UPSET IF THEY RAISED THE TAX CITY TAXES TO COVER THE COSTS YEAH AND THEY'RE JUST THEY HAD A LITTLE UH STAGE THING WHERE THEY ALL CAME IN AND STARTED LYING DOWN ON THE CITY WELL MICHAEL WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT UH FUNDING FOR AIDS RESEARCH DO YOU WELL UH UH THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT UH-HUH UH-HUH UH I I WORK IN A HOSPITAL AND I'VE WORKED IN THE HOSPITAL FOR FIFTEEN YEARS AND I'VE TAKEN CARE OF A FEW AIDS PATIENTS UH-HUH YEAH UH WHEN THEY ASKED US DID DID WE WANT TO UH KEEP IT THE SAME OR UH SPEND MORE SPEND LESS I THINK UH I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING IS ADEQUATE UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH UH MY FOR MY PERSONAL OPINION UH BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM A WHILE TO COME UP WITH A UH VACCINE FOR I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT EASY TO COME UP WITH OR I THINK THEY ALREADY WOULD HAVE BY NOW YOU KNOW UH-HUH AND UH SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY WOULD REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW I THINK THEY'RE DOING THE IS AS MUCH RESEARCH AS THEY CAN POSSIBLY DO YOU KNOW UH-HUH AND UH WHAT ABOUT YOU WELL I GUESS I'M NOT TOO AWARE OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE SPENDING RIGHT NOW +NOISE+ YOU KNOW I'M NOT EITHER I'M DEFINITELY NOT AWARE OF HOW MUCH YEAH UH THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE NEVER REALLY KEPT UP WITH AT ALL UH-HUH YEAH UH I DON'T I MEAN I GO AHEAD UH-HUH YEAH I'M NOT SURE UH I KNOW UH I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT MORE ABOUT THE DISEASE RATHER THAN THE RESEARCH YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN +NOISE+ AND UH THAT SORT OF THING UH IF IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY UH I'D JUST HAVE TO SAY WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING IS PROBABLY ENOUGH SIMPLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT YOU KNOW +NOISE+ OH YEAH I THINK SO I THINK SO YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH I MEAN I I CAN SEE THAT RESEARCH IS NEEDED AND YOU KNOW DEFINITELY I MEAN IT'S BECOMING A MAJOR PROBLEM BUT UH I GUESS THE AREA THAT I THINK MORE ABOUT IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM FOCUS ON UH PREVENTING IT UH IN MORE YOU KNOW YEAH WELL THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE UH IT'S A SUCH AN EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASE RIGHT AND I UH I FEEL LIKE JUST SAYING UH SAFE SEX IS NOT THE ANSWER IT'S IT'S UH NO IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ABSTINENCE IN CERTAIN CASES AND +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE UH YEAH AND KNOWING YOU KNOW UH-HUH YEAH MYSELF UH UH I'M JUST RECENTLY OR ABOUT TO GET A DIVORCE AND UH COURSE I'M NOT ALL READY TO JUST RUN OUT THERE AND START DATING EVERYBODY I CAN OR ANYTHING BUT IT'S SORT OF SCARY TO FIND YOURSELF SINGLE AGAIN YOU KNOW UH-HUH YEAH AND UH BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN +NOISE+ YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GOING TO COME ACROSS YOU KNOW COURSE IT'S IT'S NOT THAT I'M WANTING TO I'M NOT GOING TO WANT TO GO AND HAVE SEX WITH EVERYBODY +NOISE+ I SEE UH-HUH YEAH BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT THESE DAYS A SINGLE PERSON UH-HUH YOU KNOW AND UH I MEAN IT CERTAINLY CHANGED MY ATTITUDE ABOUT THAT YEAH IN A HURRY AND UH YEAH I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT HAS SO CERTAINLY YEAH SO UH-HUH BUT UH UH I KNOW THAT UH IN SOME OF THESE LARGER CITIES THEY'RE PASSING OUT FREE SYRINGES AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING TO PREVENT YOU KNOW SO THAT UH THE DRUG ADDICTS DRUG ADDICTS UH-HUH YEAH WON'T BE GETTING DIRTY NEEDLES AND EVERYTHING AND UH I DON'T KNOW I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA UH-HUH I KNOW IT UH SORT OF DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF DRUG ADDICTION +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH IT JUST SORT OF KEEPS THAT GOING BUT UH I DON'T KNOW AT LEAST DRUG ADDICTION CAN BE TREATED WHEREAS AIDS SO FAR CANNOT BE YOU KNOW SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I THINK THAT'S I'M NOT TOO MUCH AGAINST THE THE PASSING OUT OF THE FREE SYRINGES MYSELF I DON'T KNOW WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IT WELL YEAH BOY THAT'S A HARD ISSUE +NOISE+ IT REALLY IS IT REALLY IS IT REALLY IS THEY GAVE US A HARD TOPIC +NOISE+ UH-HUH YEAH +NOISE+ I MEAN I I DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT'S THE DRUG PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BUT AS YOU SAY UH PEOPLE I MEAN IN THE MEANTIME WELL +NOISE+ SOMEONE WHO'S NOT READY TO GIVE UP DRUGS UH THAT'S TRUE YOU KNOW THAT'S TRUE IF THEY'RE PERPETRATING THE AIDS PROBLEM PASSING THAT ON TO EACH OTHER THEN YOU KNOW YEAH YEAH UH-HUH YEAH YOU KNOW I GUESS IF YOU CONSIDER THE TWO PROBLEMS DRUG ADDICTION AND AIDS AIDS WOULD HAVE TO COME FIRST I GUESS AS FAR AS SOMETHING TO TO DO ABOUT IT SO SO I DON'T KNOW UH COURSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS IN THE WORLD WHERE IF YOU SOLVE ONE PROBLEM YOU MAY BE CREATING ANOTHER +NOISE+ YOU KNOW YEAH YEAH AND UH SO I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE TWO PROBLEMS AND SEE WHICH IS WORSE WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO SOLVE AT THE TIME AND UH-HUH I DON'T KNOW YEAH BUT UH BUT I'VE NEVER LOOKED INTO HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE SPENDING I HAVE I HAVE NO IDEA UH-HUH AND I KNOW A LOT OF OUR TAX MONEY GOES TO THAT YEAH BUT UH I REALLY HAVE NEVER LOOKED INTO IT I HAVE NO IDEA YEAH YEAH YEAH I HAVEN'T EITHER I'VE HEARD YOU KNOW UH DIFFERENT VOICES SPEAKING UP AND SAYING WE'RE NOT SPENDING ENOUGH AND RIGHT SURE MOSTLY THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD SO I DON'T KNOW YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH AND YET I KNOW IT'S UH IT SOUNDS LIKE BIG MONEY TO ME +NOISE+ BUT IT I THINK IT IS I THINK IT IS PROBABLY TAKES A LOT SO UH-HUH YEAH IT DOES EVERY IT SEEMS TO TAKE MORE THAN UH FOR ANY LITTLE THING THEY DO IT SEEMS TO TAKE A LOT MORE MONEY THAT YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD YOU KNOW YEAH BUT UH DID YOU HAVE ANY FEAR WORKING IN THE HOSPITAL WITH THAT THAT'S ONE THING I'VE NEVER REALLY FEARED UH-HUH UH UH I A LOT OF THE MY FAMILY YOU KNOW THEY FEAR ME WORKING LIKE THAT AND UNDER SOME SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS BUT UH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH I DON'T FEAR IT AT ALL UH I WORK IN IN THE OPERATING ROOM A LOT UH-HUH AND UH AND OF COURSE WHEN SO JULIE HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT AIDS RESEARCH I THINK WE NEED WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE OF IT DEFINITELY I'D AGREE TOO BUT I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE IN THAT YOU KNOW UH YOU KNOW IT WOULD HAVE MADE EVEN BETTER ECONOMIC SENSE TO TO TO HAVE HAD A LOT MORE RESEARCH THAN A LONGER AGO OH YEAH YEAH FOR CERTAIN YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW BECAUSE UH THE COUNTRY'S GOING TO WIND UP PAYING FOR THE TREATMENT OF PATIENTS EXACTLY UH-HUH EXACTLY DOES DOES LIKE DO HEALTH INSURANCE POLICIES LIKE FOR COMPANIES AND THINGS DO THEY COVER DISEASES LIKE THAT I THINK THEY COVER AIDS BUT WHAT THEY DO IS UH IF YOU KNOW YOU APPLY FOR FOR TO GET A A INSURANCE POLICY UH-HUH THEY'LL UH CHECK TO SEE IF YOU'RE H I V POSITIVE AND IF YOU ARE NOT ONLY WILL THEY NOT GIVE YOU UH A POLICY BUT THEY'LL UH THEY HAVE LIKE THERE'S LIKE YOU KNOW A DATABASE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE TESTED POSITIVE SO YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET INSURANCE EVER AGAIN YEAH UH WELL THAT'S BUT THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE STARTED DOING STUFF BEFORE I MEAN STILL YOU KNOW SINCE IT'S DORMANT FOR SUCH A LONG TIME THERE'S STILL PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW BEFORE THE TESTS EVER REALLY CAME OUT WHO ARE WHO ARE DRAINING A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW RIGHT I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS WAS JUST THAT YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF OF THE YOU KNOW BECAUSE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE HIGH RISK GROUPS WERE PEOPLE NO ONE REALLY CARED ABOUT RIGHT THAT UH-HUH RIGHT AND ALL THESE GOD FEARING PEOPLE WERE LIKE WELL YOU KNOW GOD IS TRYING TO KILL OFF ALL THE ET CETERA ET CETERA UH-HUH YEAH UH YEAH ONE ONE ONE ONE HUHOROUS RETORT I HEARD HEARD SOMEONE YOU KNOW WHO CLAIMED THAT YOU KNOW AIDS WAS YOU KNOW GOD'S PUNISHMENT WAS THAT THEN LESBIANS MUST BE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE UH +NOISE+ YEAH BOY THAT'S A GOOD ONE +NOISE+ YES BUT UH +NOISE+ SO UH UH DO YOU THINK YOU MEAN DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE DOING ENOUGH RIGHT NOW TO NO I REALLY DON'T I DID I DID LIKE A RESEARCH KIND OF THING ON AIDS RESEARCH AND STUFF AND UH REALLY WE'RE NOT DOING MUCH AT ALL I MEAN MOST OF WHAT GETS RAISED I MEAN IT'S NOT REALLY FEDERAL MOVEMENT MOST OF WHAT GETS RAISED GETS RAISED BY UH UH YOU KNOW PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH CONSCIOUS YEAH COMMUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU KNOW LIKE UH SAN FRANCISCO HAS A A REAL UH STRONG AIDS SUPPORT GROUP AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND AND UH GET THEY GET DONATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW THEY'RE REAL AND FROM CORPORATIONS AROUND THE AROUND THE CITY YOU KNOW FOR AIDS RESEARCH AND THAT KIND OF THING AND UH I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF THAT SORT OF ON A FEDERAL LEVEL YOU KNOW RATHER THAN JUST IN THE PLACES WHERE IT'S YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S PREDOMINATED SO FAR BECAUSE IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S BOUND TO SPREAD +NOISE+ I MEAN IT SEEMS THAT YOU KNOW IT'S JUST YOU KNOW OF IT'S JUST GOING TO REACH A STEADY A STEADY STATE A LET A LOT LOT HIGHER POINT THAN IT WILL IF WE YOU KNOW WE'D NIP IT IN THE BUD TO QUOTE BARNEY FIFE RIGHT +NOISE+ YEAH I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT IS BUT I MEAN YOU KNOW PEOPLE REALLY WAKING UP UH-HUH ESPECIALLY WITH THE ULTRA CONSERVATIVES UH-HUH MOVE OUR OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM SORT OF SEEMS TO BE TAKING UH-HUH I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT UH SO DO DO YOU THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO SPEND MONEY ON RESEARCH OR FOR SUPPORT OF UH PEOPLE UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH SO +NOISE+ GOD THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FISH I DON'T KNOW UH I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IS EDUCATION NOT SUPPORT OR OR RESEARCH PER SE BUT BUT EDUCATION BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SORT OF GET DRUHMED OUT OF THE WORK PLACE AND OUT OF SOCIETY YOU KNOW KIND OF LIKE LEPERS WOULD YOU KNOW AND IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY UH UNTIL UNTIL THE DISEASE REACHES ITS FINAL STAGE YOU KNOW BECOMES REALLY INFECTIOUS UH-HUH UH-HUH AND UH I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE SUPPORT THEY COULD GET IS FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH AND EVERYTHING AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE JUST COMPLETELY +NOISE+ CUT OFF FROM FROM THE COMMUNITY UH-HUH UH-HUH I THINK IT'S I THINK IT STANDS A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION OF UH AND THAT AND UH I DON'T KNOW I GUESS I THINK THAT THAT UH +NOISE+ RESEARCH IS I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT JUST BECAUSE I YOU KNOW IT IT REALLY NEEDS TO COME TO AN END YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW FISH WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT SUBJECT WELL UH ACTUALLY I'M I KIND OF UH WELL THAT'S LIKE BETWEEN SAYING YES AND NO IT UH I THINK THAT WE'RE UH SPENDING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF WE'RE SPENDING IT IN THE RIGHT RIGHT UH UH SO WHAT DO YOU THINK UH ARE WE SPENDING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON AIDS RESEARCH YEAH I I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE +NOISE+ I I'M LIKE YOU I'M A LITTLE MIXED UP ON THE SUBJECT I THINK THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO DIE OF HEART DISEASE IN A YEAR IN THIS COUNTRY THAN THERE ARE OF AIDS IS THAT TRUE HAVE YOU HEARD THAT LOCATION YES AND AND I SUPPOSE REALLY AIDS IS YOU DIE FROM ANY NUHBER OF THINGS ISN'T THAT TRUE RIGHT SO SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT YOU KNOW PNEUHONIA I THINK IS ONE OF THEM AND AND THE CANCERS AND WHATNOT SO I THINK INDIRECTLY THERE THERE IS EXTRA AIDS RESEARCH BEING DONE RIGHT UH BUT I THINK THAT +NOISE+ A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THE ATTITUDE THAT THE MORE MONEY YOU THROW AT SOMETHING THE UH BETTER CHANCE YOU HAVE OF CURING IT AND THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE NO I DON'T THINK SO I +NOISE+ I I TOTALLY AGREE IT'S JUST LIKE EDUCATION THROWING MORE MONEY INTO A GRADE SCHOOL ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER +NOISE+ RIGHT I THINK UH YOU KNOW THAT THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT ON ON RESEARCH +NOISE+ BUT I I THINK UH YOU KNOW IT SHOULD BE A A WIDE SPECTRUH OF RESEARCH AND NOT JUST UH RESEARCH ON A CURE AND NOT NOT ON A RESEARCH ON HOW TO PROLONG LIFE OR OR UH MAKE THE DISEASE ANY ANY LESS TRAUHATIC YOU KNOW I THINK MONEY +NOISE+ I THINK ONE ONCE SOMEBODY HAS CONTRACTED THE DISEASE THAT'S THAT'S UH YOU KNOW THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BUT LET'S TRY TO CONCENTRATE ON ON YOU KNOW LET'S PUT RESOURCES ON MAKING SURE NOBODY ELSE GETS IT UH RIGHT YEAH SO YOU'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF OF AN EDUCATION ON HOW TO PREVENT IT OR YOU'RE THINKING OF MAYBE UH I DON'T KNOW A VACCINE OR RIGHT WELL I THINK UH YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE'S MY OPINION IS THERE'S THERE'S A THERE IS A LIMITED NUHBER OF RESOURCES MEDICAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE OH ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK IT IS FOOLISH TO TO UH SPEND MOST OF THOSE UH A A LARGE MAJORITY OF THOSE RESOURCES ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE AIDS UH SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY THEY UH THEY NEED ATTENTION RIGHT AWAY OR OR NEED MORE ATTENTION THAN SOMEBODY WHO HAS HEART DISEASE OR OR SLOW CANCER OR SOMETHING I THINK I DON'T KNOW I THINK UH TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON ON A ON SOPHISTICATED MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR FOR PEOPLE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE IN A HOSPICE PROGRAM +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH WELL DO YOU THINK THAT ONE REASON MAYBE THAT THE THE FUNDING LEVEL IS AS HIGH AS IT IS IS BECAUSE AIDS PERHAPS STRIKES UH A VOCAL GROUP OF PEOPLE YES WELL THAT I MEAN THAT FITS THE COUNTRY WE LIVE IN THE PEOPLE +NOISE+ I MEAN +NOISE+ THAT'S RIGHT TELL ME ABOUT IT I WAS IN I WAS ON A IN DOWNTOWN WASHINGTON SUNDAY WHEN HALF A MILLION PEOPLE WERE DEMONSTRATING +NOISE+ OH OKAY YEAH THE I MEAN THE PEOPLE WITH THE LOUDEST VOICE GET THE MONEY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PEOPLE WHO UH WHO DESERVE IT THE MOST YEAH WELL I I AGREE THAT THERE'S A LIMITED IT IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE HAVE FIXED NUHBER OF DOLLARS THAT YOU CAN SPEND ON MEDICAL RESEARCH AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ALLOCATE IT IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS RIGHT ALTHOUGH THAT SOUNDS HEARTLESS THAT'S THAT'S UH-HUH AND THAT PEOPLE REALLY DIDN'T GROUPS DIDN'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS A MORALS ISSUE RIGHT I THINK WE'RE FINALLY GETTING OVER THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS RIDICULOUS READING AND HEARING ABOUT THAT KIND OF MORALS DILEMMA STUFF BUT +NOISE+ I THINK THAT IT WE NEED TO SPEND A LOT MORE ON EDUCATION AND TRY AND GET OVER THIS THING THAT WE HAVE ABOUT NOT CONFRONTING THIS HEAD ON WITH SOME FACTUAL ADVERTISING FOR ITEMS OF CONDOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT UH-HUH WILL HELP PREVENT THE UH DISEASE AS WELL AS INSTILLING THE NOTION THAT THE BEST WAY NOT TO GET IT IS NOT TO INVOLVE YOURSELVES IN UNSAFE PRACTICES IN THE FIRST PLACE +NOISE+ +NOISE+ EXACTLY UH IT ALTHOUGH I WAS UH I I WAS SHOCKED AT THE PUBLIC UH UH OUTRAGE UH THAT OCCURRED AFTER AFTER I THINK IT WAS DAN QUAYLE WHO SAID UH YOU KNOW WHO SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE MAYBE WE YOU KNOW MAYBE THAT IS A A POSSIBLE AND AND UH UH LIKELY MOST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION IS YOU KNOW ABSTINENCE AND AND YET THE A LARGE PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY SAID WELL THAT'S STUPID YOU KNOW THAT JUST SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN IN IN SPENDING ANY MONEY ON THE ON THE PROBLEM AND I THOUGHT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE POINT AT ALL UH-HUH WELL THE THE PROBLEM IS THAT WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION AT LEAST WHEN THEY SAY ABSTINENCE THEY OFTEN COUCH THAT IN OTHER THINGS THAT TURN INTO ONE OF THESE MORALS ISSUES WHICH UH MAKES IT TURN INTO A POLITICAL ISSUE NOW YOU SEE THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH IN ATLANTA AND THE LIKE THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL WHICH HAVE FUNDAMENTALISTS IN CHARGE OF THE THING WHO WON'T EVEN LET YOU SAY CONDOM IN A MEETING RIGHT UH-HUH AND THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN SPREAD AROUND AND IMMEDIATELY PEOPLE THINK WELL ABSTINENCE OKAY HERE WE HAVE THESE RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS TELLING US WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO IGNORE THE PROBLEM BLAH BLAH BLAH AND OF COURSE THEY OVERREACT WHEN THEY SAY THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST GOOD MEDICAL SAFE PRACTICE YOU KNOW DON'T EXPOSE YOURSELF IN THE FIRST PLACE UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT BUT THE IT'S BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS AROUND WHEN REAGAN WHEN THE DISEASE FIRST WAS DISCOVERED HERE AND ALL THE SOCIAL YOU KNOW IMPLICATIONS OF THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION IGNORING IT WHEN IT FIRST BECAME AN ISSUE AND YOU SEE IT'S ALL CARRYING OVER NOW AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THAT +NOISE+ OKAY THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE UH I I HADN'T I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THAT WAS UH SUCH A A WITHIN THE N I H THAT UH THAT WAS MUCH UH +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH THERE IS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IS A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE AND STAFF MEMBERS ARE POLITICAL APPOINTEES FROM THE SOUTH ESPECIALLY WHO COME ALONG WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS SOME OF WHICH HOLD VERY FERVENT BELIEFS AND WILL TAKE THEIR BELIEFS INTO THE WORKPLACE IN AND IN THIS CASE A LOT OF PEOPLE CONSIDER THAT TO BE STANDING IN THE WAY OF SCIENCE AND MEDICINE TO TRY AND SOLVE THIS THING UH-HUH BUT I I DON'T LIKE THROWING MONEY AT THE PROBLEM UH BECAUSE ALL RIGHTY UH I GUESS OUR TOPIC TODAY IS AIR POLLUTION AND WE ARE TO JUST DISCUSS WHAT SUBSTANCES DO YOU THINK THAT CONTRIBUTE MOST TO AIR POLLUTION AS WELL AS WHAT SOCIETY CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE AIR QUALITY OF THE ATMOSPHERE AROUND US RIGHT UH DOES YOUR WORK ENTITLE UH ANYTHING OF ENVIRONMENTAL ALONG THESE LINES UH-HUH RIGHT ME I'M IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND UH WE DO HAVE UH A GROUP OF ATTORNEYS WHO HANDLE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE AIR POLLUTION THING I DO KNOW FOR OTHER TYPES OF POLLUTION LIKE THE TOXIC WASTE AND SUCH THAT T_I HAS TO DISPOSE OF THAT WE NORMALLY PUT IN THE GROUND YOU KNOW WE'RE COMING UP WITH A UH A NEW SOLUTION WE HAVE BEEN FINDING A LOT OF TOXIC PLACES TO DUHP AND WE JUST TRANSPORT TO THESE PLACES BUT AFTER AWHILE IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT THE UH OH THE SITE STARTS TO LEAK AND THEN YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP AND SUCH BUT THE NEW IDEA IS TO TAKE EVERYTHING UP TO SHERMAN AND WE'RE GOING HAVE THAT YOU KNOW INCINERATION PLACE UP THERE AND DUHP EVERYTHING THERE AND SUPPOSEDLY THAT FACILITY WILL NOT GENERATE AIR POLLUTANTS FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE IN IN YOU KNOW A CONFINED KIND OF INCINERATOR AND JUST BURN IT ALL UP AND THAT WE WON'T BE POLLUTING THE AIR I'M SURE WE HAVE TO HAVE UH PERMITS YOU KNOW FOR THAT PLACE AND THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW LIMITS AS TO WHAT WE CAN UH LET YOU KNOW GO INTO THE AIR YEAH IT'S UH UH UH WELL I WORK IN GAR I WORK IN ENVIRONMENTALS UH PROJECTS RIGHT NOW OH OKAY OH +NOISE+ UH-HUH AND SO THE SHERMAN DEAL IS UH UH +NOISE+ LOST A LOT OF HAIR OVER THAT PROJECT UH WHAT WE RUN INTO UH IS WE HAVE THE TEXAS AIR CONTROL BOARD T A C B THAT SEND OUT UH JURISDICTIONS UNDER WHICH WE HAVE TO UH UH REPLY TO AND A LOT OF THEIR RULES AND REGULATION AREN'T REAL CLEAR SO WE HAVE OUR MANAGER OF ENVIRONMENTAL WHO ASSIST THE T A C B WHICH IS LOCATED IN AUSTIN IN WRITING AND HEY LOOK WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE AT T_I UH-HUH AND UH WE ARE PRESENTLY UH IN RECEIPT OF A SITE PERMIT WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO UH +NOISE+ UH THIS IS OUR SIDE UH-HUH OKAY UH-HUH ALLOW TO HAVE CERTAIN EMISSIONS UP TO A CERTAIN TONNAGE IT'S IN IN IN TONS PER YEAR UH AND SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO TO MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS SO THAT BASICALLY WE GO AND DO THINGS LIKE PUT IN HIGH TECH SCRUBBER SYSTEMS UH THAT UH SCRUB OUT THE N O X AND UH V O C'S AND AND AMMONIA COMPOUNDS UH LIKE ALL THE ACIDS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL WE ARE VERY UH AWARE OF THE OPACITY WHICH IS THE THICKNESS OF A STACK EMISSIONS SO IF YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING COMING OUT OF A STACK THE OPACITY IS ZERO OR TWENTY OR THEREABOUTS AND SO WHAT WE GO THROUGH IS UH IF YOU SEE IT SMOKING THERE'S A PROBLEM AND HAVING WORKED WITH SOME OF THE LEGAL FOLKS VERY CLOSELY UH IT BECOMES A REAL ISSUE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SMOKING AND YOU HAVE TO GET IT FIXED EL PRONTO UH UH AS YOU KNOW THEY THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME ON SITE THE FEDERALDES ANYTIME THEY WANT DRIVE THROUGH AND SEE AND INSPECT SO IT'S A FULL_TIME UH EVERYBODY HAS THEIR HOME PHONE NUHBER TYPE OF JOB UH NOW IS THAT PLACE BUILT OR YOU'RE STILL ON THE MAKINGS OF IT UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT +NOISE+ THE SHERMAN FACILITY WE ARE STILL IN THE CLOSER TOO BUT STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF UH FINALIZATION TO DO RIGHT IT'S BEEN PITCHED TO THE SHERMAN CITY COUNCIL WITH UH OPEN ARMS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WE HAD OPEN FORUH AND AND UH UH TOM JONES OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CORPORATE ENVIRONMENTAL GUYS HANDLE THE PROJECT AND UH ITS REAL UH GOING REAL WELL I THINK IT'S MATTER JUST A MATTER OF FUND FUNDS RIGHT NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT UH BUT IT'S UH IT'S SOMETHING ELSE YEAH THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THE SAME ISSUE WE WERE HOPING ON BURNING A LOT OF THE EFFLUENT UP THERE UH BECAUSE THE THE SYSTEM IS SETUP WHERE IT WON'T HAVE ANY EMISSIONS YOU'RE CORRECT IT WILL HAVE SOMETHING COMING OUT OF THE STACKHOUSE IT WAS IT WAS HUHAN NATURE BUT IT WON'T HAVE CAN ANY UH ANY BAD STUFF SO UH I THINK T_I WE SPEND OF ALL THE MAJOR SEMICONDUCTOR FIRMS WE PROBABLY PUT SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ON THE UTMOST FOREMOST UH UH FIRST THING WE ALWAYS LOOK AT AND WE PROBABLY PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE SYSTEMS AND ENGINEERING BEHIND THE SYSTEM OF ANY OTHER FIRM I KNOW OF WE EAT AND SLEEP THE STUFF EVERYTHING WE DO OVER HERE AND UH IT'S AN INTERESTING JOB BUT UH WELL I KNOW FROM SOME OF THE SITES THAT WE'VE HAD UH QUITE A LIST OF CITES THAT HAVE GONE BAD AND YOU HAVE TO CLEAN UP AND YOU KNOW THE LAW NOW IS THE SUPER FUND AND ANYBODY WHO'S CONTRIBUTED TOXIC WASTE NO MATTER IF YOU WERE SOMEBODY THAT EVENTUALLY YOU KNOW UH DAMAGED THE GROUND OR NOT UH EVERYBODY HAS TO CONTRIBUTE AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF BIG BUCKS WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN UH GOTTEN PULLED INTO THESE SUPER FUND DEALS TO CLEAN IT UP AND YOU KNOW MEGA BUCKS TO UH YOU KNOW TAKE EVERYTHING OUT AND REDO IT AND YOU KNOW FILL IN SOME OTHER AREA AND UH CERTAINLY IT WOULD TO HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION LIKE THE SHERMAN FACILITY THAN UH JUST LETTING IT GO IN THE GROUND BECAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU KNOW IT IT SEEMS THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO IF THEY PUT IT IN OIL DRUHS AND THEN SEAL IT IN SOME KIND OF CEMENT LINED UH DUHP AREA IT STILL ONLY IN TIME STARTS TO LEAK OUT POSSIBLY YEAH UH-HUH THERE THERE WAS ONE SITE THAT THEY CLEANED UP AND THEN THE NEW PLACE LEAKED AGAIN +NOISE+ GAR +NOISE+ YEAH I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE WE HAVE WE HAVE STUFF THAT'S VERY INTERESTING UH WE HAVE HOODS WE HAVE DUCKWORK AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF INTERESTING PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WHERE UH THEY HAVE UH THAT WE SAMPLE UH-HUH UH-HUH UH UH AND IT MAY HAVE OVER UH A CERTAIN EMISSION LEVELS THIS IS ON THE SOLID SIDE AND SO WE TAKE IT AND UH WE CAN'T DEEP WELL INJECT SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SOLID AND WE MIX IT WITH CONCRETE AND ACTUALLY UH POTASH PER SE AND CONCRETE AND THEN ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE GROUND BUT NOT SO NOT IN A HAZARDOUS WASTE LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY A CONCRETE SLAB IT WAS TOTALLY LEGAL BUT THE COST OF DOING THIS IS ASTRONOMICAL THEY ACTUALLY SHOW YOU WHAT DUCKWORK AND THINGS AND SO WE WERE UH VERY VERY UH COGNIZANCE OF AND AWARE OF ALL THESE TYPES OF UH EXPENDITURES BECAUSE IT COULD GET VERY EXPENSIVE BUT I THINK WE UH YOU KNOW WE DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO MAKE THE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE YOU KNOW I THINK SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT AREN'T AWARE OF IT WILL BE SURPRISED AT HOW MUCH EFFORT AND ENERGY IS PUT INTO DOING THAT I REALLY WOULD UH +NOISE+ I'VE ENJOYED SPEAKING WITH YOU YEAH THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING TOPIC UH +NOISE+ I WAS ONE OF THE I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING OVER THE CORPORATE OR IN THE NORTH BUILDING +NOISE+ OH YOU WERE YEAH OH OKAY SO UH I HOPE YOU LIKE YOUR OFFICE YEAH YES YES IT'S A HECK OF A LOT DIFFERENT AND WE USED TO BE REALLY EMBARRASSED ABOUT THE GRAY METAL DESK WE WERE ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE IN YOU KNOW T_I THAT HAD THE GRAY METAL DESK PEOPLE USED TO COME AND LAUGH AND GO GEE I HADN'T SEEN ONE OF THOSE TEN FIFTEEN YEARS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ WE YEAH GLAD TO SEE Y'ALL TAKEN CARE OF WELL THE UH I THINK WHAT CHANGED EVERYTHING AND UH IS UH Y'ALL WERE Y'ALL WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT MAKE ANY MONEY FOR TI HERE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS FINALLY GOT A LITTLE RESPECT NOBODY THOUGHT OF US AS A PROFIT CENTER BEFORE RIGHT RIGHT EXACTLY AND THAT'S UH WHEN WHEN YOU START WHEN YOU START PAYING YOUR WAY UH YOU KNOW JERRY TAKES A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK TOWARDS YOU GUYS I WAS JUST NOT JUST OVERHEAD YOU TOO EXACTLY I'VE ENJOYED SPEAKING WITH YOU SEE YOU LATER BYE_BYE BYE WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE SOME OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF AIR POLLUTION WELL I GUESS WITHOUT A DOUBT WE'D HAVE TO SAY AUTOMOBILES ALTHOUGH I SUPPOSE MANUFACTURING CONTRIBUTES UH QUITE A BIT TO AIR POLLUTION YEAH I I I THINK CARS ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST OFFENDERS BUT THEN THERE'S LIKE YOU SAY THERE'S INDUSTRY WITH ALL THE UH SULFUR AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THEY'RE DUHPING OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE CAUSING ACID RAIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE UH YEAH YOU KNOW I'M WONDERING UH OF COURSE UH FREON IS UH IS UH EATING AWAY AT OUR UH OUR WHAT YOU CALL IT LAYER THERE OZONE YEAH OZONE LAYER OZONE POLLUTION YEAH WELL I WAS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO I MEAN UH WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUITABLE REPLACEMENT FOR FREON AND AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR REFRIGERATION SO I WONDER WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO WHAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO YOU IN IN PLACE OF FREON THOUGH +NOISE+ BUT ON THE OTHER HAND YOU KNOW I I'VE UH I TOOK A BOAT CRUISE ONE TIME AND IT HAD A REFRIGERATOR ON BOARD AND IT WAS POWERED BY PROPANE IT WAS ACTUALLY POWERED BY A FLAME UH WELL ACTUALLY YOU KNOW THAT IS THE WAY A REFRIGERATOR WORKS YEAH UH IT IT SOMETHING WITH HEAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MECHANICS OF IT BUT UH WELL BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME FORM OF HEAT UH-HUH BE IT ELECTRICAL AS IN YOUR HOME REFRIGERATOR OR PROPANE AS THE ONE ON THE SHIP THAT YOU SAID UH-HUH UH YOU HAD AND UH SOMEHOW HEAT MUST BE CREATED THAT FREON OH I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT HAPPENS BUT APPARENTLY IT EXPANDS IN THE HEAT AND IN THE PROCESS OF EXPANDING IT GOES THROUGH COOLER COILS AND WHATNOT AND IT BECOMES ICE COLD OH OKAY SO IT STILL HAD FREON IN IT OH YES YES OH OKAY I WELL UH YEAH FREON'S UH FREON IS IN A CLOSED CIRCUIT UH YEAH THAT'S WHY OUR PRESENT DAY REFRIGERANTS UH SYSTEMS ARE NOT DANGEROUS UNLESS THE LINES ARE BROKEN RIGHT WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY GO TO SERVICE THE THINGS WELL DID YOU EVER SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY UH REPLACE THE OR REPLENISH THE FREON IN YOUR AUTOMOBILE AIR CONDITIONER UH-HUH I MEAN THERE'S UH A LOT OF IT YEAH ESCAPE IS UH TURNED OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE SURE YEAH YEAH I AND I UNDERSTAND NOW UH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INTERNATIONAL OR JUST HERE IN TEXAS OR WHAT BUT UH SERVICE STATIONS ARE GOING TO REQUIRE TO HAVE A SPECIAL DEVICE TO CATCH THIS FREON AS IT IS EXPELLED THE EXCESS FREON AND THEREFORE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO JUST PULL IN ANYWHERE TO OR YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO DO IT YOURSELF AT HOME WELL THAT MAKES SENSE I I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE OZONE THAN I AM ANYTHING ELSE I I THINK WE'RE GETTING A HANDLE ON SULFUR DIOXIDES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF UH COOPERATING WITH THE CANADIANS ON THE ACID RAIN PROBLEM BUT THE OZONE I MEAN YOU KNOW WE CAN'T REPLACE THAT NO THAT'S TRUE WE WE CAN'T CLEAN IT UP +NOISE+ YOU KNOW I CAN REMEMBER AS A CHILD UH SPENDING SUHMERS AT MY GRANDFATHER'S PLACE AND I'D BE RUNNING AROUND WITH NOTHING BUT A BATHING SUIT NO SHOES SOCKS SHIRTS OR ANYTHING UH-HUH UH I MEAN FROM DAWN TILL DUSK UH-HUH AND I DEVELOPED A NICE TAN BUT UH MY GOSH NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT UH SKIN CANCER BURNING AND EVERYTHING ELSE OR FOR THAT MATTER YOU COULD STOP AT ANY STREAM THAT LOOKED REASONABLY CLEAR AND AND GET A DRINK OF WATER WITHOUT WORRYING UH YEAH ABOUT CATCHING SOME DISEASE YEAH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT WHEN I WAS A KID I USED TO DO THE SAME THING IT'S UH I I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RAIN FORESTS HAVE TO DO WITH IT BUT YOU KNOW THEY'RE CHOPPING THOSE DOWN AT A TREMENDOUS RATE EVERY DAY AND I JUST HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU KNOW THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR AIR SCRUBBING STUFF THERE AND THEY'RE +NOISE+ THEY'RE TAKING AWAY THE SPONGE UH YEAH YEAH I TELL YOU A FUNNY THING HAPPENED TO ME WITH WITH POLLUTED WATER UH T_I SENT ME UP ON A TRIP TO WYOMING I THINK IT WAS AND I WAS OUT IN THIS LITTLE TOWN KIND OF BACKWOODS TOWN YOU KNOW WHERE A BIG NIGHT ON THE TOWN IS GOING DOWN WATCHING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT CHANGE BUT UH I CHECKED INTO A MOTEL AND AFTER I SIGNED IN AND EVERYTHING WHY THE UH CLERK TOLD ME UH DON'T DRINK THE WATER IT'S CONTAMINATED I DON'T KNOW THIS UH OZONE +NOISE+ YEAH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ HE SAID NOW WE DO HAVE BOTTLED WATER WE SUPPLY TO OUR GUESTS BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE OUT OF IT RIGHT NOW BUT AS AS SOON AS WE GET IT I I'LL SEE THAT YOU GET A BOTTLE OF IT WELL THE NEXT MORNING I GOT UP AND THE WATER HAD NOT BEEN DELIVERED YET AND WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT I BRUSHED MY TEETH WITH COCA COLA +NOISE+ OH I CAN BELIEVE IT YOU YOU PROBABLY DID LESS HARM THAN WHAT THE WATER WOULD HAVE DONE THOUGH +NOISE+ OH WELL THEY HAD THIS UH IT'S SOME KIND OF A BACTERIA OR CARRIED BY ANIMALS UH-HUH AND IT THEY GOT THEIR WATER FROM THIS UH BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAIN RIVER UH-HUH WELL MAYBE NOT QUITE A RIVER BUT A LITTLE BIGGER THAN A STREAM UH-HUH BUT THIS UH BACTERIA HAD UH PENETRATED THEIR ENTIRE PIPE SYSTEM OR WATER SYSTEM GOSH AND THEY TRIED FLUSHING IT OUT THEY THEY COULDN'T GET RID OF IT GAW THAT'S I'VE OFTEN WONDERED NOW THIS IS YEARS AGO AND I'VE OFTEN WONDERED WHAT THEY EVER DID OF COURSE OH IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAIN STREAM BUBBLING NICELY YOU KNOW THE WHICH UH IS WHAT PURIFIES THE WATER WHEN IT BUBBLES YEAH RIGHT THE THE ACTION OVER THE ROCKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF +NOISE+ GEE WELL THAT'S SCARY I IT IT WORRIES ME TO TURN ON THE TURN ON THE TAPS NOW BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT YOU KNOW +NOISE+ YES AND YET EVEN AT THAT IT WAS STILL CONTAMINATED +NOISE+ YEAH YES AND I AND I AND I DON'T REALLY TRUST THESE THESE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT TEST THIS STUFF I REALLY DON'T WELL I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER TOO I MEAN YOU YOU'RE ALWAYS HEARING STORIES ABOUT WELL THE GOVERNMENT OKAYED THIS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU TURN AROUND AND MY GOSH IT'S OKAY TO TO DOING IT THIS WAY BUT IF YOU TURN AROUND AND DO IT THAT WAY IT'S DANGEROUS YEAH WELL IT'S IT'S LIKE SO MANY IT'S LIKE CHICKEN YOU KNOW THEY GO IN THERE AND THEY SUPPOSEDLY INSPECT THIS CHICKEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SAW THAT SIXTY MINUTES THING WHERE THEY SHOWED A CHICKEN PROCESSING PLANT AS A MATTER OF FACT I DID YEAH I I HAVEN'T TOUCHED CHICKEN SINCE NEITHER HAVE I +NOISE+ YEAH I I COULDN'T I COULDN'T BEAR TO THINK ABOUT EATING A CHICKEN AFTER SEEING THAT AND BUT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IT'S SAFE UH-HUH UH YEAH RIGHT THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE THE AIR POLLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY +NOISE+ AND THEY YEAH IT'S GETTING BETTER IT'S GETTING BETTER AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU LOOK AND PLACES LIKE LOS ANGELES IT'S STILL SO THICK YOU HAVE TO CUT IT WITH A KNIFE I DON'T KNOW I'VE OFTEN WONDERED ABOUT UH L_A NOW THAT'S SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT THE WORST CITY IN THE COUNTRY I GUESS FOR JUST ABOUT YEAH AIR POLLUTION YEAH UH I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW USED TO BE A LOT OF STATES HAD UH UH YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR CAR CHECKED FOR POLLUTION EVERY YEAR YOU HAD TO HAVE THAT LITTLE STICKER IN THE WINDOW I KNOW TEXAS DOES YEAH UH-HUH AND THERE ARE ABOUT THREE PLACES IN GEORGIA THAT DOES AND I THINK LOUISIANA DOES I'M NOT SURE BUT I THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THEM AROUND ANY MORE WELL UH THEY USED TO DO IT DOWN IN FLORIDA NOW I LIVED DOWN THERE FOR TEN YEARS YEAH THEY DON'T DO IT ANY MORE YEAH NO THEY DID AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT THAT UH THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING IT IT WAS JUST A RACKET TO THEM UH-HUH +NOISE+ I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH MOST OF IT THE POLITICIANS FINALLY DID AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WERE SO MAD ABOUT HAVING TO PAY THAT FEE AND FOR UH FOR NOTHING GAR TO AND YEAH AND AND I MEAN ALL IT WAS WAS A REVENUE GENERATOR YEAH IT IT WASN'T SERVING THE PURPOSE THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO SERVE I MEAN YOU LOOK AT THE CARS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS BELCHING HUGE BLUE CLOUDS OF OIL SMOKE AND YOU TELL ME THAT GUY PASSED A POLLUTION TEST +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UH-HUH WELL NOW HERE'S ANOTHER THING DIESELS UH DIESEL ENGINES ARE ARE THE WORST OH YEAH OH THOSE ARE YEAH I MEAN YOU KNOW WAS BACK IN THE UH LATE SEVENTIES WHEN DIESEL ENGINES WERE THE THING BECAUSE IT WAS UH SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN GAS NOW YOU LOOK DIESEL'S WHAT ONE FORTY ONE FIFTY A GALLON WHILE GAS IS YOU KNOW ONE OH FIVE AND YET THEY HAVEN'T DONE A THING TO THEM +NOISE+ UH-HUH YEAH TELL ME ABOUT IT I JUST GOT RID OF UH A DIESEL ENGINE ESCORT I NEVER DID LIKE DIESELS ANYWAY THEY THEY WERE TOO CANTANKEROUS COLD UH WELL THEY UH I I HAD GOOD LUCK WITH MINE UNTIL IT FINALLY JUST BLEW UP ON ME +NOISE+ HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO IS THAT RIGHT WELL YEAH A FRIEND OF MINE HAD A UH HAD A BUICK HAD HAD A DIESEL IN IT AND HE HAD NOTHING BUT TROUBLE WITH THE THING YEAH WINTER TIME THE THE DIESEL WOULD JELL AND IT WOULDN'T I DON'T KNOW LIQUEFY RIGHT AND THEN HIS INJECTOR THINGS GOT CLOGGED AND OH UH-HUH WELL NOW THERE WAS AT ONE TIME AS A MATTER OF FACT IT MAY HAVE BEEN BUICK I THINK BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS G_M THAT CAME OUT WITH A OR DIESEL ENGINE THAT WAS CONVERTED FROM A GAS ENGINE UH-HUH AND UH THEY USED THE SAME PISTONS AND AND CYLINDERS AND WHATNOT BUT ALL THEY DID WAS CHANGE THE UH UH THE INDUCTION PORTS AND UH ET CETERA ET CETERA WHATEVER NEEDED TO BE CHANGED OVER AND ALTHOUGH THEY WERE IT SEEMED PRACTICAL AT THE TIME THEY WERE NOTHING BUT A HEADACHE YEAH THAT THAT MAY AND THEY DID FINALLY DID AWAY WITH THEM AND WENT TO A STRAIGHT DIESEL YEAH THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT HE HAD UH BUT SPEAKING OF CARS +NOISE+ WHAT MORE CAN WE DO TO CARS TO MAKE THEM LESS POLLUTING WELL NOW OF COURSE IN CALIFORNIA THEY THEY HAVE MUCH STRICTER CODES THAN WE HAVE ELSEWHERE YEAH I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF THE ELECTRIC CARS I SAW AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER NOW COULD BE THAT WE COULD DO THE SAME THING THAT THEY'RE DOING OUT IN CALIFORNIA I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS PRECISELY BUT UH THEY'RE DOING THEY DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE STRICTER THAN WE DO OKAY WHAT DO YOU FEEL +NOISE+ IS CONTRIBUTING MOST TO AIR POLLUTION CARS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ CARS YOU THINK SO UH-HUH YEAH I REALLY DO I BECAUSE I'M FROM CALIFORNIA ORIGINALLY AND SO I SAW THE BEGINNING I FEEL I SAW THE BEGINNING OF AIR POLLUTION IN THE FIFTIES AND I THINK THEN IT WAS BASICALLY FROM FROM AUTOMOBILES I REALLY DO AND IT JUST KEPT GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE AND NOW IT'S JUST TERRIBLE FACTORIES DON'T HELP YEAH I I WOULD HAVE FIGURED THAT SOME OF THE FACTORIES MAY BE CONTRIBUTING AS MUCH AS AS UH AUTOMOBILES UH-HUH UH-HUH BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC NOW SO MANY CARS YOU KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX IT UH WITH ALL THIS EMISSION CONTROL AND EVERYTHING BUT THEN I STILL CARS GOING DOWN THE ROAD WITH ALL THIS SMOKE POURING OUT OF THE BACK END OF THEM AND THAT INFURIATES ME I ALWAYS WANT TO TELL THEM YOU KNOW DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO OUR AIR AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN GET THEIR UH HOW THEY CAN GET THEIR CAR INSPECTED AND GET AWAY WITH THAT YEAH WELL IF YOU ONLY HAVE TO GET YOUR CAR IN INSPECTED ONCE A YEAR YOU CAN JUST HAVE IT FIXED REAL QUICK RIGHT BEFORE THE INSPECTION AND AND A LOT OF WHEN YOU A LOT OF PLACES WHEN YOU GO GET THE INSPECTION THEY JUST PULL IT OUT OF THE GARAGE AND THEN PULL IT BACK IN AND THEY DON'T REALLY CHECK ANYTHING THEY JUST MAKE SURE THE LIGHTS WORK BASICALLY HAVE THEY UH-HUH THEY'VE REALLY CRACKED DOWN UP HERE YES UH REALLY +NOISE+ MY NEIGHBOR HAS A UH HE HAS A A FAIRLY NEW CAR BUT IT'S AN IN THE EIGHTIES IT'S A TAURUS AND HE WENT TO GET HIS INSPECTION AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE EMISSIONS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T QUITE RIGHT AND THEY WOULDN'T PASS IT AND I MEAN THERE'S NO SMOKE OR ANYTHING COMES OUT OF HIS CAR IT'S A NICE CAR AND UH HE HAD TO HAVE A LOT OF WORK DONE ON IT BEFORE IT WOULD MEET YOU KNOW THE EMISSIONS AND HE WENT TO SEVERAL PLACES OH GOSH SO SO THEY'RE STARTING TO CRACK DOWN YEAH THAT WILL HELP YEAH I REALLY +NOISE+ LESS PEOPLE DRIVE AND MORE YOU KNOW MORE PEOPLE RIDING IN ONE CAR RATHER THAN EVERYBODY RIDING TO WORK BY THEMSELVES WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT AND IF IF EVERYONE CAR POOLED THAT WOULD CUT IT DOWN IN HALF UH-HUH YEAH UH T_I IS TRYING TO PROMOTE CAR POOLING UP HERE WITH BUSES AND AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO RIDE SHARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT UH I USE MY CAR FOR DURING THE DAY FOR THE JOB SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO DO THAT YEAH BUT +NOISE+ WELL UH IN UH SAN ANTONIO THE PARKING DOWNTOWN I WORK DOWNTOWN AND THE PARKING IS SO DAD GUH EXPENSIVE YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO CAR POOL TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PARK IT COSTS SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH JUST TO PARK MY CAR OH MY GOSH UH-HUH SO I RIDE WITH TWO OTHER UH GIRLS SO THAT WAY IT WILL ONLY COSTS ME TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH TO PARK BUT IT'S JUST CRAZY AND IT'S FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND I KNOW A GIRL IN WASHINGTON D_C AND IT COSTS HER A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH TO PARK HER CAR OH THAT'S TERRIBLE THAT THAT MAKE ME TAKE THE BUS YEAH AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND NEW YORK CITY IS WORSE THAT IT JUST COSTS A FORTUNE TO OWN A CAR IN NEW YORK CITY YOU DON'T REALLY NEED ONE IN THE CITY HUH-UH YEAH YEAH AND THEY HAVE SUCH GOOD UH UH WHAT TRANSIT SYSTEMS YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOT TRAINS AND EVERYTHING AND WE REALLY NEED THAT UH TEXAS IS REALLY LACKING IN TRANSIT AND I THINK WHEN THEY IF THEY WOULD DO THAT AND PUT IN TRAINS AND STUFF UH-HUH THAT THAT WOULD REALLY HELP A LOT BECAUSE PEOPLE I WOULD MUCH RATHER TAKE A BUS OR A TRAIN THAN USE MY CAR YEAH UH ONCE YOU'RE IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO IT'S REAL EASY TO GET AROUND THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE THESE UH BUSES THAT THAT LOOK LIKE LITTLE STREET CARS UH-HUH UH-HUH AND THEY GO ALL AROUND THAT IT'S JUST REAL EASY TO GET AROUND ONCE YOU'RE DOWNTOWN THE PROBLEM IS GETTING DOWNTOWN AND THEY HAVE SOME UH PARK AND RIDE UH EXPRESSES WHERE YOU GO TO THE THE BUS STOP AND YOU GET ON THE BUS AND IT TAKES YOU DIRECTLY DOWNTOWN BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM AND THEY'RE NOT CONVENIENT ENOUGH AND THERE JUST HAPPENS TO NOT BE ONE CONVENIENT TO WHERE I LIVE SO YEAH IF IF THERE WERE I WOULD RIDE THE BUS UH NO NOT REALLY UH CAN YOU REALLY SEE POLLUTION DOWN THERE NOW GAR BUT SEE YOU CAN SEE IT HERE I MEAN YOU CAN JUST SEE IT HANGING IN THE AIR +NOISE+ YEAH THAT'S IT I NOTICED ONCE FLYING INTO D F W THERE WAS JUST A A BROWNISH ORANGE HAZE OVER THE CITY IT WAS THE UGLIEST THING I HAD EVER SEEN IT'S TERRIBLE IT'S REALLY TERRIBLE AND IN THE SUHMER TIME IT SEEMS TO BE WORSE BECAUSE IT THERE'S NO AIR TO BLOW IT OUT YEAH YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S HORRIBLE THIS IS A NICE TIME OF THE YEAR THOUGH WHEN IT'S SO WINDY IT JUST SEEMS EVERYTHING IS SO FRESH YEAH AND ALL THE TREES ARE STARTING TO BLOOM OUT AND EVERYTHING YEAH SO I JUST HOPE IT'S NOT TOO LATE I HOPE WE'VE CAUGHT ALL THIS POLLUTION AND STUFF HOPE THEY'RE WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO WAIT UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE IN BUBBLES UH WORRIES ME IT WORRIES ME THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THINGS THAT THEIR DOING NOW TWENTY YEARS AGO YOU KNOW TO STOP IT BUT THEY REALLY HAVEN'T YEAH SO WELL WHAT DO WE DO SHOULD WE HANG UP +NOISE+ YEAH I GUESS SO OKAY HAVE WE REACHED TEN MINUTES I THINK IT'S FIVE AND I THINK WE HAVE OKAY OKAY IT WAS NICE TALKING TO YOU BYE_BYE OKAY BYE_BYE UH ROBERT WHAT DO YOU UH THINK WHAT SUBSTANCES DO YOU THINK ARE THE MOST UH LIKELY CAUSES OF AIR POLLUTION UH GEE I DON'T I MEAN I I GUESS IT'S THE STUFF THAT COMES OUT OF AUTOMOBILE EXHAUST YOU KNOW THEY SAY IN THE PAPER NITROUS OXIDES AND OZONE AND ALL THAT SO I BELIEVE THEM BUT I'M NOT A CHEMIST RIGHT +NOISE+ DO YOU UH DO YOU THINK THAT THOSE ARE BIGGER CONTRIBUTORS THAN THINGS LIKE ACID RAIN AND SOME OF THE POLLUTANTS THAT COME FROM UH INDUSTRIAL AREAS FACTORIES AND SO ON I DON'T REALLY KNOW UH I GREW UP IN LOS ANGELES AND HAVE FELT LIKE I WAS VICTIMIZED BY AIR POLLUTION I WAS GOING TO SAY AND AND YOU SO YOU UNDERSTAND SMOG +NOISE+ UH-HUH I UNDERSTAND IT VERY WELL AND IN FACT I WAS A PRIVATE PILOT THERE AND I CAN REMEMBER VERY ETCHED ETCHED CLEARLY IN MY MIND UH FLYING AND COMING UP ABOVE THE SMOG LAYER AT ABOUT THREE THOUSAND FEET AND LOOKING BACK DOWN AND AND REALLY BEING UNBELIEVING AT WOW WHAT LOOKED LIKE A UH IT JUST LOOKED LIKED PEANUT BUTTER MY WORD THICK AND BROWN AND SO ON AND THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO THIS WAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO THIS WAS IN THE NINETEEN SIXTIES I I WONDER IF IT'S ANY BETTER NOW PEOPLE SAY THAT IT IS SOMEWHAT BETTER BECAUSE THEY UH CALIFORNIA HAS SUCH STRICT RULES RIGHT UH ABOUT EMISSIONS AND SO ON UH I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD ABOUT THE UH RECENT LEGISLATION IN UH COLORADO UH AGAINST A POWER COMPANY UH THAT'S ACTUALLY ON INDIAN LAND I BELIEVE BUT UH IT HAS BEEN RULED AGAINST UH REGARDING AIR POLLUTION BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT IT'S CAUSING TERRIBLE SMOG OVER THE GRAND CANYON UH AND UH PARTICULARLY IN THE WINTER MONTHS SO THEY IT WAS UH A LANDMARK CASE BECAUSE IT'S UNUSUAL TO UH I CAN THEY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SHUTTING IT DOWN OR IF IT DIDN'T COMPLY AND SO ON SO DID IT BURN COAL YEAH I DON'T KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION IS ONE OF THOSE WIRE SERVICES KIND OF NEWS PIECES OF NEWS YOU KNOW SO IT'S HARD I NEVER DID SEE THE FULL STORY SO I DON'T KNOW BUT THEY SAID THAT THAT IT REALLY CAUSED SO MUCH SMOG OVER UH THE GRAND CANYON IN THE WINTER MONTHS THAT THEY COULDN'T DO THE UH PILOTING UH YOU KNOW THE HELICOPTER TRIPS AND THAT SORT OF THING UH YEAH WHICH WOULD BE HORRIBLE BECAUSE THE THERE'S NOTHING I MEAN THAT'S SUCH A SPECTACLE IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO RUIN IT YEAH UH WHAT DO YOU THINK INDIVIDUALS COULD DO OR SOCIETY COULD DO TO ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM RIGHT UH I DON'T UH I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE COULD DO A WHOLE LOT AS INDIVIDUALS UH MAYBE JUST TAKE GOOD CARE OF OUR CARS AND MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR POLLUTION DEVICES CLEAN AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING UH APART FROM THAT I I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AS INDIVIDUALS WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO YEAH YEAH YEAH UH-HUH YOU THINK IT'S MORE MORE TO SOCIETY WELL I GUESS I KIND OF AGREE THERE I UH ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS THERE ISN'T A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS BUT IF WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT THEN WE CERTAINLY CAN UH FORCE UH GOVERNMENT UH THAT WE ELECT TO DEAL MORE SERIOUSLY WITH IT AND I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY THERE I MUST ADMIT I'M NOT ALWAYS REAL POLITICALLY ACTIVE BUT I DO THINK THAT UH CONGRESS HAS BACKED DOWN MUCH TOO MUCH ON SOME OF THE AIR POLLUTION STANDARDS AND IT'S BROUGHT THE THEY UH REALLY LISTEN TO THE THE UH LOBBYIST AND UH THE CAR MANUFACTURING COMPANIES HAVE UH YOU KNOW HAVE REALLY PUSHED THEY ALL THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE REALLY TOO HARD WE CAN'T WE CAN'T QUITE MAKE THAT GO AND THEY DON'T AND THEN WE STILL LIVE WITH AIR POLLUTION UH SO I SUSPECT THAT THAT'S ONE THING THAT THAT AS INDIVIDUALS WE CAN DO MAKE OUR VOICES KNOWN PERHAPS TO OUR LEGISLATORS BUT UH AS A SOCIETY I THINK WE CAN DO MORE AND THAT'S PROBABLY HOW WE OUGHT TO DO IT UH BEING INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE AS UH IN ORDER TO BE GROUP RESPONSIBLE YEAH I GUESS I'M I'M TO THE POINT WHERE I'M CYNICAL ENOUGH THAT I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING WILL HAPPEN UNLESS UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ECONOMICALLY JUSTIFIABLE ABOUT IT RIGHT UH-HUH AND IN THE CASE OF AIR POLLUTION IT SIMPLY MIGHT TURN OUT AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD TO BE SO COSTLY TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH AIR POLLUTION IN TERMS OF HEALTH PROBLEMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'LL SPEND THE MONEY THAT'S NECESSARY TO UH TO GET RID OF THE SOURCE OF IT I SUSPECT THAT THE THAT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT OF PRESSURE UH COME TO BEAR ON THE COMPANIES THAT DEAL WITH IT AND PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN IS FOR UH GOVERNMENTS TO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY IF COMPANIES DON'T YEAH AND UH I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT THAT WILL TAKE SURE EXACTLY YEAH RIGHT PEOPLE ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE THEY CAN'T HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BURN COAL FOR POWER HOW ABOUT NUCLEAR ENERGY WELL WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER HOW ABOUT INVESTING IN THE SUN WELL NOBODY WANTS TO PAY TWENTY FIVE CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR I DON'T THINK RIGHT UH I PROBABLY WOULDN'T MIND IF IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO IT OH YES YES YES YES WELL IT'S JUST THE SAME THING WITH THE CAR UH UH THE GASOLINE NOW IS A WONDERFUL TIME TO SMACK A FIFTY CENT A GALLON TAX ON GASOLINE SO THAT WE DON'T UH RUN INTO THE KIND OF PROBLEMS WE RECENTLY HAD AND YET THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TOO DEPENDENT AND THEY DON'T WANT THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT SO INSTEAD WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING TO WAR UH YOU KNOW HOWEVER IT MIGHT HAVE HAD OTHER CAUSES CERTAINLY OIL WAS A BIG FACTOR OH CERTAINLY YES YEAH UH AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN WITH WITH SUCH THINGS AS AIR POLLUTION WHEN WE WHEN WE GET SERIOUS ABOUT CLEANING ABOUT OUR MOTORS IN OUR AUTOMOBILES THEN UH THEN MAYBE YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HELP UH UH DO YOU HAVE ANY AIR POLLUTION IN YOUR AREA THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT HERE IN RALEIGH UH ONCE IN A WHILE WE'LL GET SOME UH I THINK IT KIND OF WASHES DOWN FROM UH FROM YOUR AREA LINDA +NOISE+ OH NO +NOISE+ THAT'S WHAT THEY THAT'S WHAT THEY YOUR TALKING ABOUT FROM FROM THE UH THE MIDDLE MIDDLE STATES YEAH THAT THAT HAVE MORE FACTORIES AND SO ON YEAH YEAH THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY BUT IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S NOT VERY USUAL AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T HAVE THE EYE STINGING VARIETY THAT YOU GET IN THE BIG CITIES UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH YEAH WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT EITHER ALTHOUGH I THINK I CAN TELL A DIFFERENCE IN I LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR ABOUT TWENTY FIVE YEARS AND I THINK I CAN TELL A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMFORT LEVEL UH PARTICULARLY IN THE SUHMER UH YOU KNOW WHEN IT GETS HOT AND YOU HAVE THE THAT KIND OF A PRESSURE FROM THE POCKETS OF AIR UH USUALLY THEY SAY CAUSED BY EXHAUST IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I'M MORE UNCOMFORTABLE AND YOU KNOW MY EYES STING MORE AND SO ON AND SO ON SO I SUSPECT THAT IT'S IT'S AN EVER GROWING PROBLEM YEAH RIGHT I THINK WELL I SUSPECT THAT WE'VE PROBABLY COVERED EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO HERE IT WAS NICE TALKING TO YOU WE'VE GIVEN THEM ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES ACCORDING TO MY WATCH AND I ENJOYED THE CONVERSATION SO DID I BYE_BYE BYE OH GO AHEAD I I AM GLAD TO TALK TO AN EXPERT I ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW WHO AN EXPERT WAS OH WELL I'M NOT AN EXPERT I JUST HAD A LITTLE I'VE I'VE SEEN A LITTLE POLLUTION IN MY TIME IT'S UH THE THE CHEMICALS WE WERE DEALING WITH WERE UH A RAID REPELLENT AND UH THAT WAS REALLY QUITE DANGEROUS I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THAT WAS THAT THAT'S REALLY A POLLUTION ISSUE I THINK POLLUTION ISSUE IS IS UH IS IS THE ARGUHENT OVER OVER PEOPLE CATCHING UH THINGS LIKE UH RESPIRATORY DISEASE UH WELL THERE THERE'S TWO THINGS UH THE ONE I'M INTERESTED THE MOST I GUESS MYSELF UH WOULD BE THE THE FREONS I MEAN FOR AIR THE ONE I GUESS THAT'S THE ONE I'M MOST CURIOUS ABOUT IS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE FREONS IN AIR CONDITIONING THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BIGGEST SURPRISE TO ME AND WHETHER WHEN THEY REPLACE IT YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT JUST AS BAD WELL THE YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUABLE ISSUE AND I I'VE SEEN THE UH UH UH ASSUHING YOU CAN BUY INTO GLOBAL WARMING I YEAH I UH WAS UH YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WERE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT THAT THAT IT SEEMS TO BE WELL DID YOU SEE CARL SAGAN ON SIXTY MINUTES ON UH WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN IF IF THE IF THE WAR STARTED IN IN KUWAIT AND THEY'D SET THOSE UH ALL NO I HEARD ABOUT IT THOUGH UH IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS INTERESTING BUT UH I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HE HAS TO SAY NOW THAT THEY'VE GOT THEM ALL LIT WAS THAT BEFORE I DIDN'T SEE IT WAS THAT BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT OR IT WAS YES AND HIS ARGUHENT WAS UH WAS THAT THAT YOU WOULD SEE A UH A YEAR WITH NO SUHMER BECAUSE OF THAT YOU KNOW RIGHT WHICH ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND IT IT YES IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED UH IT WAS A VOLCANO ERUPTED AND IT WAS HIGH ENOUGH UP BUT UH THEY HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM THE NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL CENTER I THINK IT WAS GAR WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ANYWAY RESEARCH PEOPLE AND THEY SAID THAT THE UH THAT THE POLLUTION WOULD NOT GO HIGH ENOUGH AND IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF CARL SAGAN AND HIS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF STARS MAY HAVE ONCE MADE A MISTAKE BUT THE THE THE GENERAL THE OPINION AMONG AMONG THE UH METEOROLOGISTS AT UH I'M UH MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN METEOROLOGICAL SOCIETY AND ARE YOU YOU DIDN'T WORK AT T_I YEAH I DO OH OKAY BUT I'M UH I I DID THAT IN MY GAR WHERE DO YOU WORK IN RESEARCH OR NO I'M A PLANNER A PRODUCTION PLANNER OH OKAY BUT I I I'M IN THE ACTIVE RESERVES AS A WEATHERMAN SO OH OKAY YEAH YEAH UH I I KEEP UP FROM TIME TO TIME BUT WHAT THE THE ARGUHENT IS THAT UH THAT UH MAYBE THERE ISN'T GLOBAL WARMING AND MAYBE THERE IS BUT UH IF THERE IS UH WE PROBABLY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW AND IF THERE ISN'T IF THERE ISN'T AND WE DO SOME THE RIGHT THINGS I THINK HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ABOUT ALL THIS SMOG AND STUFF ON CARS UH WELL I'M KIND OF A CAR BUFF MYSELF I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION BUT UH I'LL DO THAT IN A MINUTE I I THINK THAT THE CHANGING YOU KNOW FROM LEADED FUEL WAS A TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE YOU KNOW NOT USING WELL DO YOU HAVE AN OLDER CAR NO NO NO I I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AN OLDER CAR BUT IT YEAH REALLY OH I'M A CAR BUFF TOO WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE DAY UH UH WELL I'M RESTORING ONE I THINK YOU CAN USE THE YOU CAN USE HIGH YOU KNOW THE NINETY TWO PERCENT UH NINETY TWO OCTANE I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE ANY TROUBLE I'M NOT HAVING ANY PROBLEM IT'S A SEVENTY OH YEAH YEAH AND THE NO I I THINK UH I UH WORK ON MY OWN CARS AND UH I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM I THOUGHT I'M SAYING I WAS GLAD TO GET RID OF LEADED GASOLINE BUT DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER YOU SAID YOU HAD ANOTHER UH OH THE SAME THING ABOUT THE WAR UH OR RELATED TO THE WAR ON I WAS WATCHING C_N_N AND I CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT STATION IT WAS WHAT DID YOU SEE THE ADVERTISEMENTS UH WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IN CHANGING THE ATMOSPHERE IT IS SO SCARY THAT I HOPE THAT EVERY ONE OF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS SAW THAT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TOTAL DISASTER YOU KNOW UH DID YOU SEE ANY OF THOSE UH I IT WAS NO I DIDN'T SEE THAT THAT I KNOW THAT THE UH THAT'S IT MUST HAVE BEEN CHANNEL THIRTEEN I DON'T RECALL ALTHOUGH I THOUGHT IT WAS ON C_N_N OH I WELL THAT THEY CALLED NUCLEAR WINNER AND AND I SUPPOSE THAT'S THAT'S THE ULTIMATE UH POLLUTION PROBLEM IT WAS A SOMEWHAT OF A COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT I SAW IT REGULARLY AND IT SHOWED THAT AND IT WAS REALLY DEVASTATING AND IT WOULD UH WELL IT HOW MUCH ASH WOULD FALL AND AND HOW IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY LITERALLY DESTROY THE WORLD YOU KNOW WELL GAR THE CHERNOBYL ACCIDENT UH ACTUALLY UH BECAUSE THE CIRCULATION BUDGET AS HIGH AS IT WENT UH COVERED UH A FAIRLY REMARKABLE AMOUNT THEY DID SOME TRACERS AND THEY I I THINK IT'S DRAWN IN UH I THINK GETS IN THERE GAR I CAN'T THINK OF THE OTHER TRACE BUT I SAW A A PRESENTATION ON ON THAT AND THEY IT WENT QUITE A LONG WAYS BUT I I I GUESS I CAN BE A LITTLE SYMPATHETIC BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME ARGUHENT THAT IN IN IN THE BLUE GRASS OF KENTUCKY THAT THE SMOKY MOUNTAINS THAT THAT'S THE UH THE PINE TREES GIVING OFF POLLUTION AND OH REALLY YEAH THERE THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF NATURAL THINGS UH YEAH BUT THE BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GET UP IN THE MORNING IN IN DALLAS AND AND SEE ALL THAT HAZE FROM WEST TEXAS IS THAT IS THAT POLLUTION UH IT I GUESS IT'S GOT TO BE REALLY I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AIR POLLUTION IT'S UH IT'S DUST POLLUTION WHETHER IT'S NATURAL OR NOT I DON'T KNOW WELL IT THAT'S THE THING IS THAT I THINK I THINK DALLAS REALLY DOES HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS THE IDEA IF WE COULD GET SOME CLEANER FUEL BURNING FUEL THE PROBLEM IS IS IT'S LIKE LOS ANGELES PEOPLE DON'T PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO USE MASS TRANSIT SO YEAH OH YEAH WELL I LIVE IN ARLINGTON AND THERE THERE THERE ARE NO BUSES I MEAN THERE THERE IS THE ONLY SCHOOL BUS THE ONLY BUSES YOU SEE ARE SCHOOL BUSES SO BUT WHO WANTS TO WHO WANTS TO UH RIDE A BUS WELL I KNOW IT IT'S UH YOU KNOW THE CAR IS WE HAVE THIS BIG ROMANCE WITH THE CAR BUT UH I THINK PEOPLE ARE WOULD BE INTERESTED IF YOU HAD ONE I MEAN WELL MY BOSS DRIVES FORTY MILES ONE WAY EACH DAY YEAH AND ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WORKS WITH ME DRIVES FORTY FIVE MILES YEAH YEAH AND AND THEY DON'T THINK IT WELL I GUESS THEY DO THINK SOMETHING OF IT BUT UH NOT EVEN TO YOU KNOW YOU CONSIDER HOW MUCH UH BUT THEN YOU GET INTO ALL THESE ISSUES OF OF WHETHER IT IT'S THE TYPES OF POLLUTION AND WHAT IT'S DOING TO YOUR LUNGS AND ARE WE GOING TO DIE OF OF RESPIRATORY SO WE ALL MOVE OUT OF THE OUT OF DOWNTOWN SO WE GET AWAY FROM THE THE SMOG MY MY WIFE GREW UP IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND THEY MOVED OUT TO THE VALLEY BEFORE LOS ANGELES UH WHEN THE VALLEY WAS CLEAN YEAH AND NOW THE VALLEY IS NOT AND SO PEOPLE MOVE OUT ONE MORE VALLEY AND WELL YOU SAID YOU WERE CAR BUFF UH I THINK THAT UH ALL OF US COULD USE ONE ELECTRIC CAR RIGHT NOW I MEAN TODAY YES YES WELL DO BECAUSE I THINK UH YOU SAID PEOPLE DRIVE FORTY MILES AND FIFTY WHATEVER YEAH WHEN YOU GO TO TRIPS AND ALL YOU CAN HAVE ONE GASOLINE CAR BUT I THINK WE ALL COULD IN A FAMILY SAY HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR WHERE MY ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS OR MY WIFE MY WIFE SHE COULD USE ONE NOW IF THEY HAD ONE YOU KNOW BECAUSE THEY SHE DON'T EVEN SHE DOESN'T PUT FIFTY MILES A DAY ON THE CAR GENERAL MOTORS APPARENTLY HAS ONE THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE TESTING I THINK IT'S NO IT'S ALCOHOL VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE TESTING GAR NO NO YOU'RE RIGHT I GAR I HAVE SEEN THEM BUT UH THEY HAVE A BATTERY CAR BUT THEY SUPPOSE UH I WENT TO THE AUTO SHOW THIS PAST WEEK AND THEY DID NOT ENDORSE NOW THAT I THINK OF IT AND I WAS SO INTERESTED IN THE AUTO SHOW I DIDN'T THINK TO ASK ANYBODY THERE WERE NO ELECTRIC CARS I WAS SURPRISED BUT NOW THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT HUH WELL THE ROAD AND TRACK WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT THIS APPARENTLY GENERAL MOTORS HAS SOME UH THEY APPARENTLY THINK THEY'RE CLOSE YEAH I I THINK UH THERE COULD BE A LOT OF I PEOPLE CLOSE THIS IS REALLY WE'RE WE'RE NINE YEARS AWAY OR LESS I GUESS FROM THE NEXT CENTURY AND I THINK WELL THERE'S STILL A LOT OF RESEARCH I WAS OVER IN IN THE RESEARCH LAB A COUPLE I GUESS IT'S BEEN ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND SAW THIS GAR RESEARCH IT WAS A LITTLE LIGHT THAT SAYS SOLAR SOLAR POWERED RESEARCH YEAH THEY'VE GOT A THEY'VE GOT A AREA OVER IN THE S M BUILDING TOO WHICH IS UH BUT IT'S A SOLAR UH IT'S FOR UH GOTS SOME MONEY FROM A POWER COMPANY AND IT'S PROBABLY MORE GENERATING POWER FOR YOU KNOW UH ELECTRICITY A HUNDRED AND TWENTY VOLT OR WHATEVER YEAH WELL DO YOU WORK IN THAT C BUILDING OH I'M AT NO I'M ACTUALLY IN THE SOUTH BUILDING BUT UH I WAS UH I'M THE FACILITY SO I'VE BEEN IN ALL MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ANYWAY OH WELL I'M IN I'M IN THE C BUILDING BEEN THERE FOR ALL MY LIFE HUH OH YEAH WELL THE THE SOLAR AREA IS RIGHT RIGHT AROUND FROM THE AUDITORIUH NOW AND IT THEY'VE GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT UH AREAS WHERE THEY'RE CALLED SOLAR LAB IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR YOU LOOK WALK BY THERE WELL THAT'S BEEN A I KNOW THE FOCAL PLAIN ARRAY IS THEY WERE TAKING SPACE TO A LONG TIME YEAH BUT THE SOLAR PROJECT YOU KNOW T I'S BEEN INTO IT FOR YEARS AND I GUESS IT'S JUST NOT UH ECONOMICAL YET BECAUSE OF THE OTHER FUELS YEAH WELL THE PROBLEM IS THAT GAS AT A DOLLAR A GALLON YOU KNOW WHO WANTS TO YEAH I MEAN WE WANT TO NOT POLLUTE BUT UH AT A DOLLAR A GALLON UH IT'S HARD TO BEAT THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY YOU GET FROM UH I'VE SEEN SOME I THINK THEN AGAIN I'M SURPRISED NOW I DIDN'T THINK THEY'D ASKED ANYBODY WHEN I WAS IN THE AUTO SHOW THERE WAS NOTHING UH AND THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR AIR POLLUTION OR COMPANIES OR ANYONE THERE IT WAS JUST PURE AUTOMOBILES THERE HUH WELL I THOUGHT I SAW AN AD FOR VOLKSWAGEN THAT HAD AN ALCOHOL THEY HAD ONE WITH SPOTS ON IT AND SOMETHING I DIDN'T GO BUT IT WAS SHOWING THEY I MEAN UH I DIDN'T SEE AN ARTICLE DID YOU GO OH NO I DIDN'T I DIDN'T GO SO I UH I WAS UH QUITE IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE CARS YOU KNOW THE ENGINES ARE SO MUCH SMALLER NOW AND EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE THEY ALL HAVE BRAND NEW ENGINES EVEN GENERAL MOTORS UH VERY FEW ONLY THE CAPRICE AND THEM AND THE CADILLAC HAD EIGHT UH THE OLD V EIGHTS THEY'RE ALL BRAND NEW ENGINES UH OF COURSE THEY'RE BURNING GASOLINE OF COURSE THEY'VE DONE A LOT WELL YEAH AND UH WHETHER YOU KNOW THAT'S ONE WAY YOU KNOW UH UH ON AIR POLLUTION I I I DON'T KNOW IF THE AUTOMOBILES ARE THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR OR NOT REALLY THEY'VE GOT CATALYTIC CONVERTERS EVERYONE SEEM TO HAVE GONE TO THAT WHETHER THEY LAST UH AND DO A GOOD JOB AND NOW THAT THEY THE INSPECTION SYSTEMS ARE ANALYZING THAT UH WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK IF YOU'RE IN THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I MEAN IF YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THAT WELL THEY UH IT'S INTERESTING THOUGH BECAUSE MY CARS ARE OLDER AND SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO IF YOU LIVE IN DALLAS COUNTY YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR HAVE TO HAVE IT CHECKED AND IT'S GAR I HAD A FRIEND WITH A FIERO THAT UH THEY TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED AND HAD ALL KINDS OF TERRIBLE GETTING THAT PINNED AND SO APPARENTLY WELL I UH I HAVEN'T REALLY LIVED IN A LOT OF BIG CITIES I MEAN I'M LIVING IN DALLAS NOW PLANO IS OUTSIDE OF DALLAS BUT UH SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH AIR POLLUTION HUH-UH BUT I KNOW WHEN I LIVED DOWN IN HOUSTON ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF HOUSTON THERE WERE SOME TOWNS LIKE PASADENA THAT HAD OIL REFINERIES HUH-UH AND UH IF YOU WOULD DRIVE BY THERE LIKE ON YOUR WAY TO THE BEACH OR SOMETHING HUH-UH HUH-UH THERE WOULD JUST BE DUHPING THIS HUGE AMOUNTS OF SMOKE INTO THE AIR AND IT ALWAYS SMELLED REALLY BAD WE KNOW THAT THAT WAS REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD FOR THE ATMOSPHERE WHAT HAVE YOU GOT UP THERE HUH-UH WELL I I LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY SO THAT PART IS GOOD UH WE'RE MAYBE ONE HUNDRED MILES FROM PITTSBURGH WHICH HAS A LOT OF POLLUTION FROM THEIR PLANTS HUH-UH AND RIGHT NOW IN OUR AREA WERE FIGHTING AGAINST A TOXIC WASTE INCINERATOR OH NO AND UH IT WON'T BE TOO FOR FROM WHERE WE LIVE AND EVERYBODY REALLY HAS BEEN YOU KNOW FIGHTING AGAINST IT BECAUSE WE WE DO NOT WANT IT WELL WE DON'T WANT ONE ANY PLACE +NOISE+ SURE WE WOULD LIKE THE UH INDUSTRY TO DO MORE TO TAKE CARE OF THE WASTE PRODUCTS BEFORE THEY TURN TO INCINERATION BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT UH THE SMALL PERCENTAGE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING INTO THE AIR IS TOO MUCH YOU KNOW HUH-UH YEAH IT'S JUST I MEAN IT'S JUST SO BAD THAT THERE IS JUST SO MUCH GOING INTO THE AIR AND AND THE LITTLE BIT YOU SAY THAT THERE PUTTING IN HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE IT ALL ADDS UP HUH-UH PLUS ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE MIDDLE EAST WITH ALL THAT SMOKE AND OH THAT HAS TO BE TERRIBLE OVER THERE HUH-UH HUH-UH YEAH HUH-UH YEAH SO IT'S JUST UH WHY ARE WE DOING THIS TO OURSELVES +NOISE+ I JUST DON'T KNOW BUT UH I YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY AMAZES ME ABOUT LIKE THAT PASADENA AREA AND THE OIL REFINERIES IS THAT THERE WOULD BE HOUSES AND PEOPLE LIVING JUST REALLY CLOSE TO IT I MEAN BETWEEN THE FREEWAY AND THE OIL REFINERY YOU WOULD SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU JUST THOUGHT WELL IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING UP IN THE AIR THERE AND WHAT COMES UP MUST COME DOWN +NOISE+ GAR YEAH YEAH BREATHING IT WE'RE BREATHING IT ALL THE TIME HUH-UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YES AND AND HOW IF THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE UH TOXICITY I MEAN IT THERE'S SIGNS AROUND SAYING HOW DANGEROUS IT IS AND HERE YOU ARE LIVING +NOISE+ THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE NO AND I FIGURE WE'RE PAYING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS TOXIC WASTE NO MATTER WHO DOES IT SO HUH-UH AND THEY HAVE SHOWN SOME OF THE INDUSTRIES HAVE BEEN REAL GOOD AT UH UH DOING THEIR PART IN UH REDUCING THE AMOUNT THAT THEY HAVE HUH-UH HUH-UH UH THEY'VE REUSED SOME OF IT UH IT CAN BE RECYCLED A LOT OF THEIR THINGS AND THAT THEY'VE SHOWN THAT IT UH TO BEGIN WITH APPARENTLY IT DOES COST MORE HUH-UH BUT ONCE THEY GET STARTED IT'S REALLY IT SAVES THEM MONEY IN THE END AND IT CUTS DOWN ON THE END PRODUCT THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH SOME OTHER WAY HUH-UH AND IF THEY WOULD ALL THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT DONE IS WE WANT INDUSTRY TO TAKE YOU KNOW MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN TAKING CARE OF IT HUH-UH HUH-UH WELL UH INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES AND THINGS ARE SO SELFISH AND THEIR DESIRES TO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS AND AND THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT THEY MAKE THEY'RE GREEDY IT'S MONEY IS WHAT IS IT'S IT'S THE MONEY YES THEY'RE MAKING FANTASTIC AMOUNTS ON THESE THINGS AND UH EVEN THE INCINERATOR THE MONEY AND THE INCOME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE OFF THIS IS YOU KNOW JUST ASTRONOMICAL HUH-UH WELL HAVE YOU EVER VISITED UH LIKE LOS ANGELES OR ANY PLACE THAT'S EVER IT'S KIND OF KNOWN THAT IT HAS UH POLLUTION IN IT'S AIR HUH-UH HUH-UH GAR HUH-UH HUH-UH WE'VE NEVER BEEN WE WENT AS FAR AS AS UH LIKE LAS VEGAS +NOISE+ AND YELLOW STONE PARK WE DID GO WE SHOULD HAVE GONE THE WHOLE WAY OVER BUT WE DIDN'T BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE AN AUNT THAT LIVES OUT THERE AND WHEN SHE WAS VISITING HERE SHE WOULD LOOK UP AT THE STARS AND SHE SAID HOW WONDERFUL IT WAS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO THE SKY AND SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE SAW SHE SAID THEY COULDN'T SEE THOSE THINGS OUT THERE HUH-UH BECAUSE OF THE SMOG AND EVERYTHING NO NEVER BEEN IN NEW YORK +NOISE+ I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE +NOISE+ THAT'S SO AWFUL WELL WHAT ABOUT IN NEW YORK I GUESS YOU'VE GONE THAT WAY MAYBE +NOISE+ +NOISE+ PRETTY FUNNY BUT THEY I HAVE READ THAT THAT THAT IT HAS REALLY HELPED WHERE THE PROBLEM IS GREATER WHERE THE POPULATION IS GREATER AND THAT IT HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE WELL I REALLY THINK IT MUST I THINK EVERY I MEAN WELL THINK ABOUT HOW MANY AUTOMOBILES THERE ARE HUH-UH HUH-UH HUH-UH HUH-UH AND EACH IS PUTTING OUT LIKE WE HAVE A CAR AN OLDER ONE OF OUR CARS IS AN OLDER CAR AND EVERY TIME YOU START IT FROM THE TAIL PIPE IT MAKES A BLACK SPOT ON THE CEMENT HUH-UH AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS A SIGN SOMETHING IS COMING OUT YEAH YEAH YEAH AND THAT'S ALL CARS ARE DOING THAT AND IT'S REALLY POLLUTING THE AIR YEAH IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A PRICE ON IT WHICH IS MORE VALUABLE LIFE OR PAYING A LITTLE MORE HUH-UH HUH-UH AND IT'S ALSO IT'S CAUSING OF LOT OF THE REAL TERRIBLE SUFFERING LIKE CANCER AND THINGS HUH-UH WE SURE WOULDN'T WANT HUH-UH SO MUCH MORE PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM THAT HUH-UH HUH-UH HUH-UH YEAH AND LIKE I SAID I THINK YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S INDUSTRY WE'RE PAYING INDUSTRY TO MAKE THE PRODUCTS AND WE'RE HELPING PAY FOR THERE MAKING THESE END PRODUCTS THAT ARE TOXIC WASTE THEN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM TO PAY SOMEBODY TO CARRY IT AWAY SOMEPLACE THEN THEY PUT IT IN THE DUHP SOME PLACE AND THEY FIND OUT WELL THIS DUHP DOESN'T WORK SO WE HAVE TO CLEAN THIS UP AND MOVE IT SOMEPLACE ELSE WE END UP PAYING FOR IT AGAIN NOW WE'RE GOING TO END UP PAYING FOR IT AGAIN BY HAVING IT BURNED IN THESE LARGE INCINERATORS AND WE'RE PAYING TO HAVE OUR AIR POLLUTED AND OUR WATER STREAMS POLLUTED PRETTY SAD OR THE WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE ONE AREA THEY WANT TO PUT THE INCINERATOR IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CLARION THE TWO WATER SHEDS THAT FEED CLARION RIVER OH NO AND YOU KNOW IT JUST BOGGLES OUR MIND THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER EVEN PUTTING IT THERE BECAUSE HUH-UH IF THAT WATER GETS CONTAMINATED IT WILL GO ON DOWN TO PITTSBURGH IT WILL YOU KNOW IT AFFECTS SO MANY PEOPLE HUH-UH AND IT'S JUST HARD TO THINK THAT THEY COULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS HUH-UH NO NO IT'S SCARY +NOISE+ IT'S SCARY IT REALLY IS HUH-UH IT'S REALLY AWFUL WELL I'VE REALLY ENJOYED THE CONVERSATION IT'S HELPED ME TO THINK MORE ABOUT SOME ISSUES THAT I NEED TO BE THINKING MORE ABOUT +NOISE+ IT IS REALLY A CONCERN SO HUH-UH HUH-UH AND IT'S INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS ME LIKE YOU SAY IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE INVOLVED AHEAD OF TIME WELL YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY WELL YOU TOO HUH-UH THANK YOU BYE_BYE BYE_BYE OKAY WELL DISCUSSING AIR POLLUTION TODAY I GUESS UH UH-HUH UH WELL GIVE ME YOUR FIRST IMPRESSIONS UH I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF AIR POLLUTION YEAH UH I THINK INDUSTRIES AND COMPANIES PROVIDE A LOT OF IT UH-HUH AND WITH UH I GUESS WITH THE OIL BURNING OVER IN KUWAIT AND STUFF THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF AIR POLLUTION IN IT UH PUTS A WHOLE YEAH GETS A WHOLE NEW PICTURE TO WHAT REAL AIR POLLUTION CAN BE BUT UH THAT STUFF GOING ON OVER THERE WHAT WHAT UH WHAT PART OF PENNSYLVANIA ARE YOU IN UH I'M NORTH OF PITTSBURGH SO OKAY OKAY SO IT'S IT'S AMAZING TOO YOU KNOW WITH THAT WITH THE OIL WELLS BURNING OVER THERE THAT'S THE EXACT SAME STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT OF CARS EVERY DAY JUST IN UH JUST IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT GRADE I GUESS YEAH BUT UH IN DALLAS WE'VE GOT WE'VE JUST UH BROUGHT IN A WHOLE NEW SET OF REQUIREMENTS ON INSPECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR CARS BECAUSE UH PEOPLE JUST DON'T USE MASS TRANSIT AND STUFF IN DALLAS EVERYBODY LOVES THEIR CAR AND YOU SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF UH ONE PERSON VEHICLES ON THE ROAD ON DURING RUSH HOURS THAT SEEMS TO BE OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM DOWN HERE UH YOU KNOW THERE'S UH THERE'S A LOT OF INDUSTRY AROUND BUT UH IT'S NOT IT'S ANY POLLUTION THAT INDUSTRY'S DUHPING AROUND HERE IS NOT GOING INTO THE AIR IT'S TYPICALLY WATER +NOISE+ TYPE SITUATION UH-HUH YEAH UH WE HAVE A COUPLE WE HAVE LIKE A STEEL MILL AND A COUPLE REFINERIES AND STUFF AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF AIR POLLUTION GOING IN THERE AND LIKE THEY THEY GET FINED WHENEVER THEY DO THE AIR POLLUTION BUT THE FINE IS NOTHING YOU KNOW YEAH IT'S IT'S IT'S LIKE NOTHING TO THEM LIKE LIKE TWO HOURS OF OUTPUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YEAH YEAH THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH OH MY GOD +NOISE+ YEAH I A UH I GREW UP IN SOUTH DAKOTA SO I WAS NEVER +NOISE+ I WAS NEVER EXPOSED TO ANYTHING OF OF THE OF THE SORT UH THERE WERE ALWAYS E P A PEOPLE AND WHAT NOT WERE ALWAYS TELLING US THAT UH FARM CHEMICALS AND WHAT NOT WERE DESTROYING OUR WATER SYSTEM AND ALL THAT BUT WE JUST WE JUST NEVER SAW THE RESULTS THERE WAS THERE WAS DUST IN THE AIR DURING PLANTING SEASONS AND WHAT NOT BUT THAT THAT WAS ALL WE EVER SAW AND THEN FIVE YEARS AGO I MOVED TO DALLAS AND I SUDDENLY STARTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BURNING EYES AND ALL THAT STUFF IS ABOUT THAT I'D ALWAYS HEARD ABOUT IT UH IT'S IT GETS IT'S REAL DEPRESSING IN THE MORNING SOMETIME YOU CAN TELL IF IT'S A GOOD DAY OR A BAD DAY BY UH HOW FAR OUT FROM DOWNTOWN UH YOU CAN BE ON THE ROAD AND STILL NOT SEE IT +NOISE+ AND UH YEAH I MEAN IT'S NOT I DON'T THINK DALLAS IS CONSIDERED UH A REAL BAD PLACE FOR AIR POLLUTION BUT YOU YOU CAN TELL YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCES IN THE DAYS WHEN IT'S WHEN THE HAZE IS KIND OF YELLOWISH GRAY INSTEAD OF JUST BEING A A FOGGY MISTY COLOR UH-HUH AND UH IT IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING SOMETIMES YOU START TO REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE BREATHING RIGHT UH YEAH BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO TO REALLY PREVENT IT YOU KNOW LIKE HOW WHAT CAN THEY DO ABOUT THE OIL BURNING OVER IN KUWAIT WHAT YOU KNOW I MEAN THEY FINE THE INDUSTRIES BUT YOU KNOW THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO STOP THEM THERE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY CAN DO UH-HUH RIGHT IT IT'S THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T A WHOLE LOT IT'S ONE OF THOSE UH +NOISE+ IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF THEY DO A LITTLE BIT AND UH AND YOU KNOW EVERY LITTLE BIT DOES HELP I DO BELIEVE THAT UH BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE EARTH IS A KIND OF A SELF REGULATING SYSTEM AND UH IT WILL CLEAN ITSELF UP EVENTUALLY IT THE WHOLE IDEA IS NOT TO NOT TO PUSH THE LIMIT TOO HARD I GUESS LET THE YOU KNOW LET THE NATURAL NATURAL SYSTEMS TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE UH-HUH YEAH I I YEAH I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY THINK ABOUT EITHER YOU KNOW IT'S I MEAN IT IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE A BIG ISSUE YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT'S IT'S DOING A LOT OF DAMAGE BUT I IT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE REALLY THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING THEY I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL OVER IT UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IT IT'S SO HARD TO MEASURE WHAT WHAT THE DAMAGE IS IT'S KIND OF LIKE OH I GUESS IT'S KIND OF LIKE KIND OF LIKE CIGARETTE SMOKING YOU KNOW IT IT COULD GO ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS UNTIL THEY START TO SEE SOME RESULTS AND PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY ACTUALLY SAY YEAH IT'S IT'S IT'S DOING DOING SOME DAMAGE AND SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE DONE UH THERE'S YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT IT YOU CAN UH YOU CAN POUND ON SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE IT FINALLY BREAKS BUT UNTIL IT BREAKS YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THERE YOU WERE DOING ANYTHING TO IT YEAH EXACTLY BUT UH WELL I REALLY DON'T KNOW +NOISE+ TOO MUCH ELSE ABOUT IT UH-HUH YEAH WELL THAT'S THAT'S I THINK WE BOTH AGREE IT'S IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS THAT UH I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW AND UH WE'VE DONE A LOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT YEAH AND UH YEAH WE HAVE TRIED I MEAN YOU KNOW AND UH I I KNOW WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE A COUPLE OF THE MILLS THAT HAVE I KNOW THEY PUT THINGS ON THEIR STACKS YOU KNOW TO FILTER THE SMOKE AND DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS BUT I MEAN EVERY NOW AND THEN IT BREAKS YOU KNOW AND OH SURE SURE AND YOU JUST HAVE SMOKE GOING OUT INTO THE AIR FOR A DAY OR TWO UNTIL YOU CAN GET IT FIXED AND SO SO YOU KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE WE HAVE TRIED TO HELP YEAH UH-HUH OH THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER HAPPENED TO SEE SOME OF THE LIKE TWENTY TWENTY AND WHAT NOT ABOUT RUHANIA AND EAST GERMANY WHEN THEY FIRST GOT PICTURES OUT OF THERE ABOUT HOW SOME OF THEIR SYSTEMS HAD BEEN RUNNING FOR TWENTY AND THIRTY YEARS UH-HUH YEAH AND UH YOU KNOW THEY HAD ABSOLUTELY NO REGULATIONS NO CONTROLS WHATSOEVER AND THEY HAD DESTROYED ENTIRE FORESTS AND WHAT NOT JUST BECAUSE THE AIR WAS SO POLLUTED THAT'S THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT UH YOU DON'T SEE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT YOU KNOW IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN EVER DO ENOUGH BUT UH I THINK IT'S ALL RELATIVE TO THE TO THE TIME AND PLACE AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNDER CONTROL OKAY WELL ALL RIGHTY WELL YOU BET UH-HUH IT'S BEEN NICE TALKING TO YOU OKAY BYE_BYE BYE SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT WELL UH I'VE NOTICED SOME CHANGES OVER THE PAST UH THIRTY YEARS THAT THAT UH FOR THE WORST I WOULD ASSUHE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE YEAH UH-HUH I CAN REMEMBER UH BACK IN THE EARLY SIXTIES WHEN I FIRST STARTED FLYING A LIGHT PLANE IT WAS QUITE COMMON FOR ME TO TAKE OFF FROM UH LOCAL AIRPORT HERE AND SEE THE UH APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AT THE SAME TIME AND IN THE YOU KNOW FIFTEEN YEARS LATER IT WAS A RARE OCCASION THAT I COULD SEE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME UH-HUH YOU'RE PROBABLY LUCKY TO SEE THE END OF THE RUNWAY BY NOW +NOISE+ YEAH I KNOW UH LOT OF TIMES WHEN I WAS COMING BACK HOME I WOULD UH FILE INSTRUHENT FLIGHT PLAN JUST TO GET INTO THE WASHINGTON AREA UH BUT I COUNTED ON NORTH CAROLINA HAVING SOME GOOD WEATHER FOR ME WELL I'LL TELL YOU I DON'T KNOW I I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I I I COUNT THE STINK AS PART OF AIR POLLUTION AND IT STINKS DOWN HERE WELL DOWN THERE YOU GET UH UH SOME MORE AROMATIC AROMAS LIKE THE UH THE SMELL OF THE PINE FOREST AND UH IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE NOW IF YOU'RE OVER THEN YOU GET DOWN WIND OF A PAPER MILL ONCE IN A WHILE YEAH IF IF YOU'RE OVER BY ASHEVILLE YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE UP THERE IN THE MOUNTAINS AND YOU'VE GOT SOME NICE OZONE AND ALL THAT OVER HERE IN RALEIGH IT'S KIND OF FLAT AND STAGNANT AND JUST YUCKY UH IT'S FINE OVER ON THE COAST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE YOU'VE GOT THE BREEZES OFF THE OFF THE WATER THERE BUT YEAH UH SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST DULL AND UNINSPIRING HERE WELL I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UH SOLVE MUCH OF THE PROBLEM NO I DON'T KNOW THEY'RE THEY KEEP DOING THINGS AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE DOING ANY GOOD I WAS I WAS REALLY AMAZED BECAUSE I NEVER WOULD HAVE EXPECTED YOU KNOW THIS PROBLEM SOMEWHERE LIKE IN ATLANTA UH-HUH AND I DROVE THROUGH ATLANTA UH COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND IT WAS UNSEASONABLY WARM AND YOU COULD SEE THE SMOG JUST SITTING ON TOP OF THE CITY YEAH UH-HUH AND WHEN I DROVE THROUGH I IT IT WAS TERRIBLE I I HAD TO KEEP THE WINDOWS UP IT WAS JUST SO THICK AND UH HEAVY UH I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT I BECAUSE I I USED TO LIVE IN ATLANTA YEARS AGO AND IT WAS ALWAYS FAIRLY CLEAN I MEAN YOU ALWAYS YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STAGNANT AIR LIKE LIKE L_A DOES UH-HUH BUT BOY IT WAS REALLY BAD THAT DAY YEAH WELL ONE OF THE REACTIONS I HAVE IS THAT UH THEY PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE PRIVATE AUTOMOBILE UH AS BEING A MAJOR SOURCE OF POLLUTION AND THEY'VE UH IGNORED THE TRUCKS ENTIRELY YEAH RIGHT SO I I GET TO GOING DOWN THE EXPRESSWAY IN THE MORNING AND UH I DON'T SEE VERY MANY CARS SMOKING BUT BUT YOU SEE ALL THESE ALL THESE TRUCKS BELCHING OUT THIS BLACK SMOKE THEN I I GET SURROUNDED BY TWENTY OR FORTY TRUCKS AND THEY'RE JUST LAYING OUT A PALL OF BLACK SMOKE YEAH YEAH YEAH I KNOW IT'S I I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PRIORITY IS IT'S UH LIKE IN ATLANTA THEY HAVE UH THEY HAVE MANDATORY CATALYTIC CONVERTER INSPECTIONS THERE'S ONLY THREE PLACES IN GEORGIA THAT REQUIRES THAT AND UH EVEN WITH THAT IT HASN'T DONE ANY GOOD I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOTTEN A LOT WORSE BUT YOU KNOW JUST LIKE YOU SAY YOU GO THROUGH THERE AND YOU WATCH ALL THESE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE JUST COUGHING OUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF UH-HUH YEAH SOME OF THEM SPITTING IT OUT SO THICK YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE PAST IT YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW YEAH I KNOW ALONG ROUTE SIXTY SIX THE UH PEOPLE WHO HAVE RESIDENCES THERE UH THEY CAN'T PAINT THEIR HOUSES WITHOUT CLEANING THEM FIRST UH-HUH YEAH BECAUSE OF THE STUFF SETTLES ON IT UH IF THEY'RE WITHIN A BLOCK OF A MAJOR EXPRESSWAY THE HOUSES GET COATED WITH OIL YEAH YEAH I DON'T KNOW THINGS LIKE YOU KNOW WELL LIKE ACID RAIN AND ALL THESE SULPHUR DIOXIDES BEING DUHPED OUT THERE I I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THAT THAN I AM JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE YEAH UH-HUH BECAUSE UH IT'S IT'S ALL I MEAN IT'S JUST IT'S JUST LIKE A BIG AVALANCHE YOU KNOW YOU START PUTTING SULPHUR DIOXIDE IN THE ATMOSPHERE AND YOU END UP WITH ACID RAIN ACID RAIN KILLS THE TREES TREES DON'T SCRUB THE AIR AND THERE YOU ARE AND THEN OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE FOLKS CUTTING DOWN ON THE RAIN FOREST AS QUICK AS THEY CAN YEAH I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF THAT ALREADY I WONDER TOO YOU KNOW THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT OZONE DEPLETION AND ALL THIS IT IT SEEMS FUNNY THAT IT'S COMING AROUND AT THE TIME WHEN WE'RE LOSING THE MOST MOST OF THE FORESTS UH-HUH BECAUSE I I I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE POLLUTANTS AND STUFF ARE BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE AIR UH YOU KNOW BY THE PLANTS AND THE TREES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF AND HERE WE ARE LOSING IT AND NOW THE NOW IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY WHERE TO GO YEAH BUT WELL WE'VE SORT OF BEEN SEEING A LITTLE CLIMATIC SHIFT HERE ON THE EAST COAST OR AT LEAST IT SEEMS THAT WAY THAT UH THE WINTERS HAVE BEEN MILDER FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND UH UH-HUH YEAH WELL IT'S LIKE OUR WINTER HERE I MEAN IT WAS THE WINTER THAT WASN'T YEAH YOU KNOW WE WERE HAVING HAVING HOT DAYS IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY AND GOT IN YEAH THE FIRST THE FIRST WINTER I MOVED OUT HERE I HAD A BIG SNOW PLOW UH-HUH UH-HUH ON THE TRACTOR AND I HAD TO USE IT WE HAD THREE UH FOURTEEN INCH UH SNOWS UH-HUH AND I HAVEN'T USED IT SINCE YEAH YOU YOU MIGHT AS WELL SELL IT FOR SCRAP OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY NEVER WILL USE IT IT'S A SHAME TOO BECAUSE I MISS ALL THE COLD WEATHER I I ENJOY WINTER AND AT THE SAME TIME I I SEE SOME COLDER WINTERS IN THE MIDWEST I THINK THEY'VE GOTTEN MORE SNOW YEAH IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAN WE'RE HAVING HERE ON THE EAST COAST YEAH IT WAS AN INTERESTING DAY THE OTHER DAY UH I THINK IT WAS UH YEAH IT WAS LAST NOT NOT THIS PAST FRIDAY BUT FRIDAY A WEEK AGO YEAH WE I DON'T KNOW I THINK YOU HAD SOME BAD WEATHER UP THERE TOO WE HAD TORNADOES AND EVERYTHING DOWN HERE UH-HUH UH THAT WAS THE MOST HISTORIC WEATHER DAY IN RECORDED HISTORY FOR SEVERE WEATHER IN THE COUNTRY ON THAT ONE DAY OH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I MEAN YOU KNOW OF COURSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE SEVERE WEATHER SOMEWHERE BUT THERE WAS MORE OF IT ON THAT ONE DAY THAN EVER RECORDED BEFORE OVER FOUR HUNDRED REPORTS OF TORNADOES HAIL AND HEAVY WINDS HUH AMAZING IT'S A LITTLE BIT SCARY WELL IT MAY HAVE BEEN UH THE FACT WE HAD THIS EARLY SEASON WARM SPELL YEAH THAT DID THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE THE THE PRECEDING DAY THURSDAY I GOT MY FIRST SUNBURN FOR THE SEASON OUT ON UH OCEAN CITY BEACH YES UH I READ AN ARTICLE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT UH TALKING AGAIN ABOUT THE OZONE LAYER THEY SAID THAT UH THE OZONE DETERIORATE IS GREATER THAN THEY HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OVER SOME OF THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SCARY TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO IMPROVE THINGS AROUND THERE I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT UH KNOW THAT THEY'D DISCOVERED ANY THINNESS OR OVER METRO AREAS I'D ONLY HEARD ABOUT THE UH NORTH AND SOUTH POLE YEAH WELL THAT'S THAT'S YEAH THAT HAD THAT HAD BEEN THE THING THAT HAD ALWAYS I MEAN I I I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT THE OZONE LAYER AS SORT OF LIKE A LAYER AND IT WOULD MOVE AROUND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE HOLE JUST STAYED THERE YOU KNOW I GUESS I I I'M NOT THAT MUCH OF A METEOROLOGIST BUT UH YEAH I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED AT THAT TOO BECAUSE UP TO THAT POINT ALL I'D HEARD ABOUT WAS THE ONE OVER THE POLE YEAH AND I SAID WELL I'M NOT TOO AWFULLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IF IT'S GOING TO START MELTING THE ICE CAP IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR A LONG TIME YET BUT OPENING OPENING UP OVER MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS NOW THAT'S UH THAT'S YEAH THAT THAT DOESN'T UH FIT MY PICTURE OF UH OF UH METEOROLOGY I CAN UNDERSTAND THE POLES BECAUSE THEY'RE UH A PERMANENT HIGH PRESSURE AREA YEAH YEAH AND UH YOU KNOW THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH UH CIRCULATION BUT UH THE TEMPERATE ZONE IS UH A CONSTANT MOVING UH WIND SYSTEM AND IT'S YEAH COURSE THE OZONE IS UP THERE SO I'M SURPRISED THAT THE OZONE DOESN'T HAVE IT'S OWN WIND PATTERN YEAH I I MEAN I DON'T EVEN KNOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE OZONE LAYER DOES MOVE I MEAN APPARENTLY IT DOESN'T BUT OF COURSE IT IT MIGHT BE JUST A COUPLE OF SCIENTISTS TRYING TO GET THEIR NAME IN THE PAPER SORT OF LIKE COLD FUSION +NOISE+ YEAH COLD FUSION RIGHT THE SAME THOUGHT FLASHED IN MY MIND YEAH I'LL TELL YOU I I WAS REAL EXCITED WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT I SAID HOT DOG THEY FINALLY DID IT YOU KNOW YEAH I UH I MAY HAVE PUT OUT AN EXCLAMATION HERE AT HOME WHEN I HEARD THAT NEWS UH I I MEAN I'M AND UH EVERYBODY WANTED TO KNOW WHY I WAS SO EXCITED AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM YEAH I MEAN I'M AN OLD SCIENCE FICTION BUFF FROM WAY BACK WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY AND THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT SCIENCE FICTION WAS MADE OUT OF YEAH UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND IT'S THE DAYS THAT I KEEP LOOKING FOR THAT AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN IN MY LIFETIME BUT +NOISE+ YOU KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MOON COLONIES BY NOW BUT UH YEAH COLD FUSION WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT COULD HAVE GONE MIGHT HAVE STARTED MAKING A LITTLE INROADS ON AIR POLLUTION WITH THAT I THINK SO BUT WHO KNOWS EXCEPT WE MIGHT HAVE UH BAD CASE OF PALADIUH POISONING NOW YEAH YEAH THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS A DRAWBACK TO EVERYTHING I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WELL +NOISE+ OKAY I KNOW THERE WAS UH A PIPELINE GOING IN UP IN UH SOUTHERN PENNSYLVANIA AND THERE WAS A GROUP IN GAR COUNTY THAT WAS FIGHTING IT AND UH ONE OF THE WOMEN THAT WAS LEADING THE GROUP SAID WELL THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUHP UH OIL THROUGH THERE BUT BEFORE LONG THEY'LL BE PUHPING RADIOACTIVITY THROUGH IT SO WELL THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TOPIC THE DAY AFTER EARTH DAY SO RIGHT UH WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK IS UH THE POLLUTANTS THE MAIN POLLUTANTS IN THE AIR I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE CHEMICAL PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT I JUST UH I THINK THEY PUT OFF SO MUCH AND THEY'RE NOT REGULATED ENOUGH UH-HUH YEAH YEAH WELL THAT'S ME TOO AFTER UH ON CHANNEL THIRTEEN UH THEY HAD SOME SOME PROGRAMS THE DAY BEFORE AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ABOUT YESTERDAY WE DIDN'T REALLY WATCH IT TOO MUCH YESTERDAY BUT THE DAY BEFORE THEY HAD A LOT OF PROGRAMS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE AFFECTING THE EARTH AND THINGS BY WHAT WE DO AS THE PEOPLE AND AND THEY MENTIONED SULFUR AND CARBON DIOXIDE A LOT AND THAT ACTUALLY UH AS OUR POPULATION INCREASES AND YOU KNOW OUR OF COURSE OUR OUR CARS YOU KNOW OUR NUHBER OF CARS INCREASE PER THE POPULATION THAT'S THE PROBLEM BUT ALSO LIKE YOU SAID THE INDUSTRY POLLUTION AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE REGULATION THAT'S PLACED ON THEM IS I MEAN IT'S BETTER THAN IT USED TO BE BUT IT'S INCREDIBLE THAT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT MADE TO REGULATE THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTANTS THAT THEY PUT INTO THE AIR RIGHT UH-HUH NO YOU KNOW I I JUST I CAN'T STAND THAT AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY GET AWAY WITH A LOT THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REGULATED BECAUSE WE HAVE A WE HAVE A PLANT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT T_I BUT WE HAVE A PLANT UH A PILLSBURY PLANT IN IN A TOWN ADJACENT TO OURS AND I KNOW PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE THAT OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T THINK PILLSBURY WOULD PUT OUT CERTAIN CHEMICALS BUT THEY PUT OUT TOXIC CHEMICALS THERE JUST IN SOME OF THE UH WHAT THEY DO UH TO UH MAKE THEIR DOUGH AND TO REALLY HUH OH RIGHT CLEAN OUT THE FLOUR AND STUFF LIKE THAT YEAH I MEAN IT'S INCREDIBLE AND UH THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY HAVE A LITTLE CREEK THAT RUNS BY THEM AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE HAVE TOLD ME THAT WHEN THEY HAVE INSPECTORS COMING THEY YOU KNOW SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING AND THEY CLEAN UP THEIR ACT BUT ON A NORMAL BASIS THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY'RE DUHPING THINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DUHPING AND I'M LIKE IF THEY'RE GETTING AWAY WITH IT CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT'S A THAT'S A PILLSBURY PLANT I CAN'T IMAGINE PLANTS I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT THAT PILLSBURY COULD WOULD THE I MEAN OR EVEN HAD YOU KNOW WELL THOSE CHEMICALS WOULD NOT YEAH RIGHT YEAH YEAH THEY HAVE CHEMICALS THAT THEY USE TO REFINE THEIR FLOURS WITH AND STUFF YOU KNOW TO TO BREAK THE FLOURS DOWN AND THEN THEY THEY ALSO DO TESTING THERE AND I DON'T YOU KNOW WHEN YOU CONSIDER YOU KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT RADIOACTIVE BUT TOXIC CAN BE CAN BE ANYTHING THAT'S UH CLASSIFIED THAT CAN DAMAGE THE EARTH SO THERE COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY COULD PUT YOU KNOW THAT CHEMICAL WISE THAT THEY USE TO UH THAT THEY ARE TESTING WITH RIGHT YOU KNOW LIKE IN THAT THEY'RE DUHPING YEAH IN PACKAGING AND UH YOU KNOW JUST GOODNESS YEAH YEAH YEAH I DON'T THINK THEY DO THE PACKAGING AT THIS PLANT BUT THEY DO THEY DO A LOT OF RESEARCH AND THEY DO UH THEY DO DO A LOT OF THE REFINING UP THERE OR I'M NOT REALLY WHAT'S IT CALLED WHEN YOU DO FLOUR I'M NOT YEAH UH ONLY THING I CAN THINK IS BLEACHING BUT I MEAN I I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HOW THEY DO THE FLOUR YEAH BUT UH WE WE'RE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF HOUSTON WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH AS FAR AS UH AIMING IN THE PLANTS OVER ON THIS UH THE EAST SIDE DOES UH-HUH WE'VE GOT IMPERIAL SUGAR BUT UH AND THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY'RE RIGHT THERE ON THE CREEK ALSO AND UH THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS YEAH AND UH YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH BUT I MEAN YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT YOU KNOW IT'S PROBABLY A LOT EASIER TO DETECT THINGS THAT GO INTO THE GROUND THAN IT IS MAYBE TO JUST I'M NOT REALLY SURE BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DETECT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE YOU COULD DETECT THEM DOWN OR STREAM OR SUCH OR YOU CAN YOU CAN YOU KNOW DO UH TESTING ON THE GROUND ITSELF AT THAT POINT BUT WHEN THEY POLLUTE INTO THE AIR AND YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW AND YOU'VE GOT MOVEMENT THROUGH THE AIR IT'S GOING TO MOVE A LOT OF THAT OFF SO I DON'T SEE YOU KNOW HOW THEY CAN DO SOME OF THE UNLESS IT JUST HANGS THERE LIKE IN PLACES WHERE IT'S A LOT OF POLLUTION YOU KNOW LIKE IN LOS ANGELES OR OR THE BIGGER CITIES WHERE IT IT TENDS TO GET STUCK THERE YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LOT MORE PARTICLES IN THE AIR RIGHT YEAH YOU KNOW PER PER UH PER PARTICLES IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT MOVED AWAY UH-HUH BUT UH UH-HUH I KNOW THAT I WORRY EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'RE STILL ON A WELL WATER WE'RE NOT ON CITY WATER AND I THINK WELL WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S DUHPED SOMETHING BACK THERE IN THE AND NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT AND YOU KNOW IT SINKED IN THROUGH THE GROUND AND ALL THAT YEAH WELL I KNOW OUT IN SOME I'M NOT SURE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE COUNTY IT'S IT'S WHERE STILLWATER IS OR YEAH UH-HUH SWEET NO I'M NOT SURE I KNOW IT I THINK IT'S UH I KNOW WE HAVE A PIECE PROPERTY THERE IT'S CALLED DUBLIN IT'S IN DUBLIN TEXAS I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE COUNTY IT'S STEPHEN NO STEPHENVILLE OH OKAY OKAY UH-HUH OKAY WHERE STEPHENVILLE'S AT THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY'VE UH INTRODUCED A LOT OF DAIRIES THERE YEAH RIGHT UH-HUH SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF CATTLE IN THE AREA I MEAN THEY'VE GOT LIKE PER PER UH PER LOT YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOT LIKE A LOT OF HEAD OF CATTLE BECAUSE DAIRIES THEY DON'T IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS A BIG RANCH WHERE THEY LET THE COW ROAM AROUND FREE THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE THEM THERE TO BE ABLE TO MILK THEM AND THEY AND I READ IN THIS ARTICLE I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT WHERE YOU KNOW LIKE ONE COW PRODUCES LIKE A DAY PRODUCES LIKE A HUNDRED OR SO POUNDS OF MANURE OH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH UH-HUH OH IT WILL ONE COW I WAS LIKE MY GOD AND THEY AND THIS THING SAYS THAT THAT YOU KNOW PEOPLE THINK WELL COW MANURE IS GOOD FOR FERTILIZER BUT WHEN YOU GET THAT MUCH MANURE IT SAYS IT BECOMES A REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WHEN YOU KNOW YOU BUY COW MANURE AT THE STORE THEY'VE ADDED STUFF TO IT AND THEY'VE ADDED HUHUS AND STUFF THAT BREAKS IT DOWN AND AND THIS AND THIS ARTICLE SAID THAT THEY'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM THAT UH YOU'VE GOT TOXINS AND AND UH BACTERIA IN THE MANURE THAT IS WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S GOING THROUGH UH THEY DON'T HAVE A VERY DEEP UH YOU KNOW THEY'RE WATER THEY'RE NATURAL WATER UH I FORGET WHAT THAT'S CALLED WITH YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE A SPRING SPRING WATER BUT IT'S BELOW THE SURFACE IT'S NOT VERY FAR DOWN AND ALL THIS STUFF IS SEEPING THROUGH TO THE WATER AND THEY'RE LIKE THEY'RE AFRAID THAT YOU KNOW WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS THAT IT'S THEY'RE THEY'RE WATER IN THAT TOWN WILL BE TOTALLY POLLUTED AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY DRINKING WATER BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE UH POLLUTED COMPLETELY POLLUTED SO THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW THERE'S TOO MANY TOXINS AND BACTERIAL GROWTH UH-HUH YEAH AND THE AND I'M LIKE MY GOD YOU KNOW RIGHT RIGHT JUST FROM THAT ONE YOU KNOW JUST FROM THEM INTRODUCING DAIRY FARMS IN THAT ONE COUNTY YEAH AND THE THE GROUND WILL FILTER SOME OF IT BUT NOT ALL OF IT NO NOT WHEN YOU FIGURE I DIDN'T REALIZE A COW ONE COW PRODUCES THAT MUCH MANURE AND THEY WERE TALKING LIKE THESE ARE WELL FED THESE ARE THOUSANDS OF COWS YOU KNOW THEY WERE TALKING THOUSANDS COWS IN ONE LITTLE TINY AREA YOU GOOD GRIEF THESE ARE WELL FED COWS UH +NOISE+ UH-HUH RIGHT UH-HUH YEAH WELL THEY ARE EVIDENTLY BUT UH I MEAN EVIDENTLY A NORMAL COW PRODUCES THAT MUCH TOO BUT THEY'RE JUST SO SPREAD OUT ON RANCHES AND STUFF THAT IT'S NOT YOU KNOW A PROBLEM BUT WHEN THEY GET THEM IN THESE TINY LITTLE AREAS YOU KNOW AND THEY'VE GOT A REAL BIG PROBLEM AND THEY THEY SAID THAT THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS SCRAPING IT WITH BULLDOZERS AND STUFF AND TAKING IT TO UH THESE LIKE PONDS THAT THEY HAD TO FILTER IT WITH BUT THE PONDS BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD SO MUCH RAIN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS THEY JUST OVERFLOW AND THEY OVERFLOW INTO THE THE CREEKS AND STUFF IN THE AREA SO THAT JUST CREATES YOU KNOW THERE THERE'S AND OH IT WAS JUST DISGUSTING IT SAID THE CREEKS WILL FOAM OH OH NOW THAT'S BAD PEOPLE PEOPLE STAND OUTSIDE THEIR HOUSES AND THEIR WATCH THE CREEKS FOAM BROWN AND ALL AND I'M JUST LIKE OH MY GOSH AND THE SMELL IS REALLY BAD THEY OH +NOISE+ I WAS GOING TO SAY THE AIR POLLUTION ALONE THERE JUST FROM A HUNDRED POUNDS OF COW MANURE WAS GOING TO BE BAD UH-HUH YEAH YEAH BUT I I DON'T KNOW IT REALLY FRIGHTENS ME THOUGH AS FAR AS THE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE YOU KNOW THINKING OF JUST AIR POLLUTION ITSELF AND THEN AND CHANNEL THIRTEEN THEY'RE REALLY UH EMPHASIZING THE PROBLEM WITH ACID RAIN YOU KNOW IF WE IF WE KEEP PUTTING THAT STUFF INTO THE AIR AND AND YOU KNOW IF WE KEEP CREATING THE PROBLEM AND NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT THAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR UH JUST THE THE EARTH YOU KNOW WHAT THE EARTH IS RECEIVING BACK YOU KNOW BECAUSE HOW CAN YOU TELL WHERE IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN AT RIGHT RIGHT AND THEN CUTTING THE TREES YOU KNOW THAT BOTHERS ME YEAH AS FAR AS YOU KNOW THE THE RAIN FOREST AND ALL YEAH YES UH WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO WELL NOT ME BUT UH IT'S BEEN OR SUGGESTED THAT WE CUT A FEW OF THE TREES DOWN HERE I'M LIKE NO YOU KNOW GAR FOR WHAT'S CUT DOWN HERE YOU KNOW MORE WILL BE CUT DOWN SOMEPLACE ELSE AND IT WILL JUST TAKE THAT LONGER TO GROW BACK AND TREES HELP SO THAT UH I DON'T UH-HUH WELL THEY DO BECAUSE WHAT IS IT CARBON DIOXIDE THEY USE THAT WHERE WE CAN'T SYNTHESIZE IT AND THEY'RE SYNTHESIZING IT FOR US RIGHT RIGHT BELIEVE ME IT'S JUST SO MUCH BETTER YEAH SO UH YEAH I KNEW I THINK THERE'S LOTS THAT BE THAT COULD BE DONE TO TO IMPROVE HOW THINGS ARE DONE NOW YEAH I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY YOU KNOW I SUPPOSE YOU KNOW IF YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOUR CAR IS UH-HUH UH-HUH IS WORKING PROPERLY AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOWADAYS THEY HAVE THE EMISSION CONTROLS ON THEM BUT UH I THINK THE ONLY THE MAIN THING IS JUST KEEP ON THE YOUR LEGISLATORS BACK YOU KNOW AS FAR AS SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE ONLY JUST REALLY STARTED AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENT SAYING OKAY WE'RE REALLY GOING TO GET INVOLVED IT IT'S REALLY BECOMING A PROBLEM BY THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND THERE WILL WHAT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE WHAT KIND OF RESULTS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND AND WHAT WILL WE RIGHT ALL RIGHT BETTY UH WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT AIR POLLUTION WHAT ALL YOU KNOW ABOUT IT WELL I GUESS I'VE UH JUST I'VE LISTENED A LOT TO THE MEDIA AND I'VE TRIED TO READ SOME THINGS ON IT AND I'VE TRIED TO TAKE SOME STEPS TO UH UNDERSTAND IT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE I AM IN THE WHOLE MESS UH-HUH RIGHT UH APPARENTLY IT'S GETTING WORSE I MEAN I CAN TELL THAT JUST BY DRIVING IN DALLAS YOU HAVE THE LOW FLYING GRAY CLOUD ON CERTAIN DAYS BUT YOU KNOW IT REALLY GETS TO YOU IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BREATHE AND AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE KNOW THAT IF YOU DO THE SAME THING TO LIKE YOUR PLANTS AND YOU DON'T LET THEM BREATHE THEY KIND OF DIE UH-HUH ON YOU UH AND SO YOU KNOW LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT UH CAUSE AIR POLLUTION UH I GUESS WE HAVE INDUSTRY FOR ONE UH THAT HAS TO BE I GUESS A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARE OF YOU KNOW THE OUTPUT AND UH HARMFUL CHEMICALS AND THINGS THAT THEY USE UH WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WELL I THINK IT'S VERY TRUE UH THEY ARE A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT DON'T HAVE MUCH REGARD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THEY'RE +NOISE+ PRIMARY GOAL'S TO PRODUCE A PRODUCT AS CHEAPLY AS THEY CAN OH RIGHT YEAH AND UH YOU KNOW SOME ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS LIKE A FILTERS ON SMOKESTACKS ET CETERA ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SINK THE MONEY INTO IT UNLESS SOMEONE CLAMPS DOWN ON THEM MAKES THEM DO IT AND DUHPING CHEMICALS ET CETERA AND ALL THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THE EASY WAY OUT WHICH YOU KNOW I GUESS THEY'RE VERY SHORTSIGHTED AND THEY ONLY LOOK AT WHAT INTERESTS THEM AND SO I GUESS SORT OF YOU YOU GOT TO BLAME THEM BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE WHY THEY DON'T DO IT YOU JUST HAVE TO EDUCATE THESE PEOPLE TO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING SHOW THEM LIKE THIS IS WHAT YOUR PLANT IS DOING AND WE AS CONSUHERS HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO PAY A HIGHER COST FOR THE PRODUCT WHICH PROBABLY STOPS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM GETTING INVOLVED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES YOU KNOW THEY BESIDES SINKING THEIR OWN TIME INTO IT IS THAT WHEN WE POLICE THESE COMPANIES YOU KNOW THEY SAY WELL LOOK WE'RE HAVING TO PAY TWO MILLION TO PUT THIS FILTER DEVICE ON IT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY AN EXTRA THIRTY CENTS AT THE STORE FOR UH WHATEVER AND WE'RE LIKE OH NO YOU KNOW YEAH THAT'S A BUT AND RECYCLING I'M BIG ON RECYCLING OH GOOD YEAH RIGHT +NOISE+ AND UH BUT YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T I MEAN PEOPLE I KNOW THAT ARE YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY KNOW I GO YOU DON'T RECYCLE THAT NO LIKE WELL JUST STICK IT IN A DIFFERENT BAG YOU KNOW LIKE ALUHINUH CANS LIKE IF I IF I GIVE YOU A BAG AND YOU STICK THE CANS IN THERE WILL YOU GIVE THEM TO ME OH YEAH I'LL DO SO YOU KNOW I I'M GOING TO UH WORK ON DOING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW THEY JUST AREN'T THEY'RE JUST NOT EITHER NOT AWARE OR THEY JUST WELL DON'T THINK ABOUT IT UH-HUH UH-HUH THAT'S TRUE I THINK YOU KNOW WE WE HAD SUCH I MEAN I'M I'M CLOSE TO FORTY AND I CAN REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AND LIFE WAS PRETTY YOU KNOW UH COMPLACENT IN THESE AREAS AND UH I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH THAT WE NOT ONLY PAY THE PRICE IN MONEY WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE PRICE IN HEALTH AND OUR YOU KNOW IN THE FUTURE WHATEVER'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE AND YOU KNOW IT TAKES A FEW PEOPLE YOU KNOW ON THE ALERT TO UH UH REALLY MAKE A CHANGE AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY PEOPLE THINK AND YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE EDUCATION IT'S JUST GOT TO BE LITTLE BY LITTLE BY LITTLE UNTIL PEOPLE BECOME AWARE BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT SORT OF A SNOWBALL EFFECT GOING ON NOW AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF AIR POLLUTION WE'RE UH PINPOINTING CERTAIN YOU KNOW INDUSTRIES IN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE YOU KNOW BLATANTLY UH ABUSING THE AIRSPACE +NOISE+ AND I THINK WE'RE BEGINNING TO MAKE THEM AWARE THAT UH YOU KNOW IT'S NOT JUST THE A FINANCIAL BOTTOM LINE THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT'S YOU KNOW UH IT HAS A A BIGGER IMPACT ON THE ON THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT AND THE WHOLE AREA AND GOSH I I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW HEALTH SEEMS TO GET IN IN THE ACT TOO YOU KNOW YOUR YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR LUNGS AND AND ALL THIS I MEAN THIS COMES DOWN TO SMOKERS RIGHT YEAH YEAH AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT SMOKERS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT'S SORT OF AN INFRINGEMENT OF THEY'RE RIGHTS SEE YOU CAN GO OVERBOARD TOO YOU CAN BE REAL RADICAL ABOUT THIS AND I'M NOT FOR THAT I'M FOR PERSUADING PEOPLE BY THE USE OF EDUCATION AND BY DEMONSTRATION AND BY UH YOU KNOW YOUR EXAMPLE OF HOW THINGS GO UH AND YOU KNOW I KNOW THERE'S SOME REAL RADICALS OUT THERE AND THAT THAT WILL TEND TO TURN YOU OFF ANY TIME AND THINK THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW FULL OF BALONEY AND THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW +NOISE+ ON THE RIGHT PLANET SOMETIMES BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THAT I THINK IT'S EDUCATION LIKE YOU SAID THAT REALLY NEEDS TO AND IT STARTS WITH YOU YEAH THEY'RE LIKE YOU SAID JUST TELL THEM TO YOU KNOW WHY YOU'RE DOING WHY YOU'RE COLLECTING CANS AND WHY YOU'RE COLLECTING GLASS AND WHY YOU'RE RECYCLING THE STUFF AND GOSH OH YEAH IT JUST SEEMS THOUGH UH I GUESS WE COULD TALK ABOUT SMOKING BECAUSE IT IS A FORM OF AIR POLLUTION AND UH OH MY MY FATHER PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE OF FIFTY OF A CORONARY ARTERY DISEASE AND HE HAD SMOKED YOU KNOW PRETTY HEAVILY SINCE HE WENT IN THE ARMY LIKE AGE EIGHTEEN AND YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN FAIRLY WELL EDUCATED ON THAT SUBJECT AND AND I FEEL THAT UH YOU KNOW THAT WAS A PRIMARY FACTOR THAT CAUSED HIS PREMATURE DEATH SO I'M SORT OF ON A BAN WAGON TO SAY ABOUT THE THE ADVERSE AFFECTS OF SMOKING AND I JUST WONDER YOU KNOW ALL THE TIME WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID BREATHING THE SECOND HAND SMOKE WHICH PEOPLE SAY IS JUST AS BAD OR JUST AS YEAH EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT THE SMOKER GETS THROUGH THE FILTER YOU KNOW WHAT AFFECT THAT HAD ON ME FOR A CORONARY ARTERY DISEASE WHEN I WAS YOUNGER BUT YOU KNOW I I DON'T THINK I'M WHAT YOU'D CALL A RADICAL BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT PEOPLE THAT SMOKE YOU JUST DON'T THEY JUST DON'T LISTEN RIGHT WELL GET IT'S YEAH IT'S HARD IT'S REALLY HARD AND THEY HAVE TO MAYBE SORT OF LIKE LIKE HIT BOTTOM LIKE THEY EITHER HAVE TO DIE OR THEY HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW TOTALLY INCAPACITATED BEFORE THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND AND YOU KNOW BLESS THEIR HEARTS YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT WILL IMPACT THEM OR OR YOU YOU CAN'T FIND A WAY REALLY THAT IT'S IT'S IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU KNOW YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ALCOHOLISM TOO I MEAN YOU KNOW IN THIS HIDDEN IN THIS MANNER SOMETIMES I THINK THAT IT'S JUST A PERSON HAS TO CHANGE THEIR MIND YEAH UH-HUH AND UH IT'S TOUGH BUT UH YOU KNOW IT IT I DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO SMOKE IN MY HOUSE AND I I HOPE THEY RESPECT THAT AND YOU KNOW I I SEND THEM OUTSIDE +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH YEAH SORT OF THING AND AND THEY RESPECT THAT OR ELSE THEY JUST DON'T COME BACK THEY DON'T SMOKE IN MY CAR AND YOU KNOW AND IT'S NOT GETTING TO BE A BIG DEAL ANYMORE +NOISE+ I YOU KNOW THEY THEY SEEM TO UH UNDERSTAND OR AT LEAST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT FOR YOUR WISHES AND THEY DON'T JUST NECESSARILY LIGHT UP AND AND UH YOU KNOW NOT EXPECT TO GET SOME FLACK THESE DAYS +NOISE+ YEAH SO I GUESS THE EDUCATION HAS SUNK IN A LITTLE BIT AS TO NOT YOU KNOW AS TO RESPECT ANOTHER PERSONS CLEAN AIR YEAH WELL YEAH UH-HUH IN THAT RESPECT BUT I HAD AN UNCLE THAT HAD QUADRUPLE BYPASS SURGERY AND WAS NEAR DEATH MANY TIMES AND HE'S YOU KNOW THEY TOLD HIM FOR YEARS TO QUIT SMOKING AND HE STILL SMOKES YOU KNOW YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE IS JUST BUT HE'S HE'S GOOD AND THEN HE CAME TO VISIT AND HE WOULD RUN OUTSIDE TO SMOKE INSTEAD OF SMOKING IN THE HOUSE SO YOU KNOW I HAVE TO SAY WELL I GUESS IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT DO IT OUT THERE AND DON'T USE YOUR OWN LUNGS DON'T BORROW MINE +NOISE+ RIGHT THAT'S COOL UH-HUH CAN TAKE PART IN YOUR AIR +NOISE+ YEAH WELL THINGS ARE GETTING I MEAN LIKE I SAID I DON'T KNOW WHY I KNOW HOW OLD I AM AND I KNOW THAT I NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE STUFF I THOUGHT YOU KNOW THE GRASS IS GREEN THE SKY WAS BLUE AND THE OCEAN WAS A PRETTY LIGHT BLUE +NOISE+ YOU KNOW AND AND I'M FINDING OUT THAT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE ANYMORE AND THAT YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE AND YOU KNOW WE'RE LEFT WITH A MESS IN A LOT OF WAYS YOU KNOW CAUSED BY UH STARTING WITH THE AIR POLLUTION AND AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT GOES INTO YOU KNOW TRYING TO GET THIS PLACE CLEANED UP BUT YEAH IF YOU NOTICE UH I'M FROM INDIANA OH AND WE REALLY GAUGE THE WEATHER THE WINTERS GARY INDIANA HUH BY HOW MUCH SNOW WE GET WHICH ONE OH REALLY SO UH IT'S WHEN I WAS GROWING UP YOU ALWAYS COULD EXPECT SOME SNOWFALL GAR TWENTY FOUR EVEN UP TO WE HAD THIRTY EIGHT INCHES OF SNOW ONE TIME BUT THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE BARELY GOTTEN ANY SNOW AT ALL REALLY YEAH YEAH IT'S YOU KNOW MAYBE THERE WILL BE SIX INCHES ON THE GROUND AT ONE TIME AND IT WILL BLOW FOR A WHILE AND THEN IT WILL ALL MELT AWAY IT'S JUST LIKE THEY KEPT TALKING ABOUT THIS YOU KNOW THE GLOBAL WARMING THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT AND ALL THAT WELL I CAN JUST SEE IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW SCHOOL WOULD GET CANCELED PROBABLY A WEEK WEEK AND A HALF EACH YEAR PARDON OH I REMEMBER YEAH OH I'M FROM CHICAGO I GREW UP IN CHICAGO SO YEAH YOU KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF SNOW UP THERE YEAH YOU HAD A LOT OF SNOW AND AND YOU ALWAYS HAD TO SCOOP IT AND IT WAS IT WAS FUN TO PLAY IN BUT YOU KNOW LAST FEW YEARS OH ABSOLUTELY OKAY +NOISE+ SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MAJOR CAUSE +NOISE+ YEAH RIGHT WELL I I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S OUR THE CARS WE DRIVE AND +NOISE+ I THINK YOU KNOW EVERYONE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS AND AND THINKS WELL I SHOULD CAR POOL AND I WILL AND BUT +NOISE+ THAT WE JUST HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IT'S IT'S A BOTHER TO HAVE TO PICK SOMEBODY UP AND IF YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT OR SOMETHING AND THEY HAVE TO GET ANOTHER RIDE HOME OR +NOISE+ YOU HAVE TO ARRANGE IT'S JUST A HASSLE +NOISE+ AND I GUESS WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT YEAH NOW DO YOU LIVE IN A MAJOR CITY IN DALLAS BUT THAT TO ME IS PROBABLY THE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR TO START USING PUBLIC +NOISE+ DALLAS AREA I LIVE IN PLANO OKAY RIGHT WHICH IS JUST A A SUBURB OF OF DALLAS DO YOU LIVE IN A MAJOR CITY UH I LIVE IN RALEIGH NORTH CAROLINA OH OKAY +NOISE+ AND PROBABLY NOT QUITE AS BIG AS DALLAS BUT UH YEAH OH UH-HUH RIGHT WELL YEAH NO +NOISE+ WELL MYSELF I I GO TO RICHARDSON WHICH IS A I TEACH SCHOOL AND SO I DON'T COMMUTE THAT FAR IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR MILES BUT +NOISE+ THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA GO INTO DALLAS TO WORK AND AND +NOISE+ WHEN YOU'RE IF YOU GO OUT ON THE FREEWAY AND YOU LOOK YOU SEE ALMOST EVERY CAR IS JUST ONE PASSENGER +NOISE+ AND OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM'S A JOKE SO PEOPLE JUST DON'T BOTHER TO TAKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S INCONVENIENT +NOISE+ WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF A A TRAIN OR UH YOU KNOW ANYTHING LIKE SOME OF THE BIG CITIES DO +NOISE+ WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET ONE BUT IT'S YOU KNOW WAY OFF THE IN THE FUTURE BUT NO IT'S JUST IT WELL I'VE FOUND THE EASIEST WAY IS UH IS TO RIDE BIKES IN RALEIGH ANYWAY AND OH IS THAT RIGHT I USED TO LIVE IN COLORADO AND IT WAS EVEN MORE OF A BIGGER DEAL THERE BUT SURE UH +NOISE+ I RIDE MY BIKE EVERYWHERE IN TOWN WELL THERE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T RIDE IT TO THE THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF TOWN BUT I CAN RIDE IT TO DOWNTOWN WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL HOW LARGE IS RALEIGH IT'S ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND SO IT'S PRETTY BIG YEAH +NOISE+ UH THE DIAMETER OF THE CITY IS PROBABLY IT'S GOT A BELT LINE AROUND IT WHICH IS A HAS A DIAMETER OF ABOUT TEN TWELVE MILES RIGHT UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND SO YOU RIDE YOUR BIKE TO WORK AND EVERYTHING OR AREN'T YOU WELL THAT'S GREAT IT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF FOUR MILES YEAH UH-HUH RIGHT SEE THAT'S THAT ISN'T EVEN I MEAN I'M NOT SURE THAT A EVEN A PERCENTAGE +NOISE+ OF OF PEOPLE IN THE DALLAS AREA RIDE BIKES TO WORK YOU KNOW I JUST DON'T THINK THEY DO I NEVER SEE ANYBODY +NOISE+ UH +NOISE+ ANOTHER THING THAT THAT I THINK OUR MY FAMILY'S REAL CONSCIOUS OF IS IS IS TO STOP USING AEROSOL CANS AND YOU KNOW UH YOU KNOW GET FIND ANOTHER WAY INSTEAD OF YOU KNOW YEAH THAT ONE'S SO EASY I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE WON'T DO IT YEAH YEAH I KNOW IT REALLY IS AND WE JUST NEED NOT TO BUY THE STUFF AND THOSE BUSINESSES WILL HAVE TO YOU KNOW THE CORPORATIONS AND SO FORTH HAVE TO CHANGE IF YOU DON'T BUY IT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT SO +NOISE+ YEAH THAT IS AN EASY ONE +NOISE+ BUT UH YOU KNOW AND I NOTICE PROBABLY A LOT OF UH COMMERCIAL POLLUTION AND +NOISE+ AND FACTORY POLLUTION IN DALLAS YOU CAN SEE IT SOME DAYS IT'S REALLY BAD YEAH YOU CAN SEE IT IN RALEIGH +NOISE+ IT'S UGLY +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH YEAH IT'S AWFUL IT'S NOTHING LIKE CALIFORNIA WHERE THE SMOG IS CONSTANT BUT IT'S STILL THERE AND YOU KNOW IT +NOISE+ IF WE I THINK IF WE REALLY REALIZED HOW MUCH WE DO BREATHE IN THAT'S UNHEALTHY WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW UNHEALTHY THE THE AIR IS YEAH YEAH THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID YOU'RE A SCHOOL TEACHER UH HOW MUCH HOW MUCH EDUCATION OF AIR POLLUTION AND ALL THAT DO YOU OKAY RIGHT WELL I THINK I DON'T SEE I ONLY TEACH ENGLISH AND AND UH BUT THE SCIENCE TEACHER I TEACH FIFTH GRADE AND WE'RE DEPARTMENTALIZED AND +NOISE+ THE SCIENCE TEACHER DOES A REALLY BIG UNIT ON IT AND I THINK THE KIDS ARE MORE INFORMED THAN ADULTS ARE I MEAN AND UH-HUH YEAH I WOULD I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'VE DONE ACTUALLY I'VE DONE SOME VOLUNTEER TEACHING ON ON UH ECOLOGY AND ALL THAT AT AT A MIDDLE SCHOOL UH-HUH UH-HUH AND UH THE THE KIDS KNEW WELL THE THE SCIENCE TEACHERS WERE PRETTY SHARP TOO BUT THE KIDS IN GENERAL KNOW MORE THAN ADULTS DO ABOUT IT YEAH RIGHT THEY DO THEY DO AND THEY AND AND I THINK THAT THEY ARE +NOISE+ THEY CARE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I THINK AS ADULTS WE NEED TO CARE BECAUSE IT'S THE THE FUTURE FOR OUR KIDS AND I +NOISE+ YOU KNOW I MEAN MY KIDS ARE MUCH MORE AWARE THAN I WAS AT THEIR AGE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT AND I THINK IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY HAS TO BE THAT WELL IT PROBABLY AT YOUR AGE IT WASN'T A PROBLEM +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH NO IT REALLY WASN'T IT WASN'T A PROBLEM IT I MEAN I'M SURE IT WAS BEGINNING TO BE A PROBLEM BUT PEOPLE WERE JUST WEREN'T +NOISE+ AWARE OF IT LIKE THEY ARE TODAY AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT HAS TO START WITH THE KIDS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THEIR WORLD SOON AND I THINK IT +NOISE+ AND AND WE'RE REAL BIG ON YOU KNOW PLANO WHICH IS A SMALL SUBURB OF DALLAS UH-HUH OKAY RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND +NOISE+ UH I THINK WE'RE MORE THAN THAT ABOUT A HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND NOW BUT +NOISE+ UH THEY'RE REALLY TRYING THEIR BEST TO START RECYCLING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL +NOISE+ AND WE JUST WE HAVE SEPARATE GARBAGE COLLECTIONS NOW FOR PLASTICS AND CANS AND NEWSPAPER AND WHICH I THINK IS I MEAN THAT'S THAT SHOULD BE JUST A WAY OF LIFE FOR EVERYBODY YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT YOU SHOULD JUST DO IT I THINK THEY OUGHT TO WELL THE WAY IT USED TO BE WAS THAT YOU HAD YOU HAD TO TAKE YOUR RECYCLES TO A SPECIAL PLACE UH-HUH IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHERE +NOISE+ YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR NONRECYCLABLES TO A SPECIAL PLACE AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD WOULD HAVE AN INCENTIVE +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE YOU'RE RIGHT YOU'RE RIGHT +NOISE+ YEAH RALEIGH HAS HAS CURBSIDE RECYCLING WHICH IS REALLY NICE WELL YOU KNOW IT JUST HAS TO BE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE LANDFILLS WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY SOON YEAH RIGHT YEAH YEAH YOUR OWN BAG AND IT'S IT'S RIDICULOUS BUT +NOISE+ THE THING THE QUANDARY THAT I'M IN IS THAT THAT WE HAD A GREAT BIG ARTICLE IN IN IN THE NEWSPAPER LAST WEEK ABOUT +NOISE+ I'VE BEEN REAL BIG ABOUT GOING TO TO THE STORE AND ASKING FOR PAPER INSTEAD OF PLASTIC WELL THAT WAS REALLY CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE SOME SCIENTISTS YOU KNOW FEEL LIKE PLASTIC I MEAN PAPER IS WORSE THAN PLASTIC +NOISE+ IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A REAL UH DEBATE ABOUT WHICH ONE IS IS THE BEST REALLY THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO BRING UH YOU KNOW A CLOTH BAG YEAH +NOISE+ DO YOU I DO THAT SOMETIMES BUT I FORGET A LOT +NOISE+ YEAH I THINK YEAH SEE THAT'S WHAT I DO TOO I FORGET AND +NOISE+ AND BESIDES WHEN I GO TO THE STORE I HAVE A FAMILY YOU KNOW I I GET MAYBE TEN TWELVE BAGS OF GROCERIES AND YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE A LITTLE +NOISE+ A LITTLE EXPENSIVE ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW I'M SURE SOME I I DON'T KNOW I THINK THE PAPER'S STILL GOT TO BE BETTER BECAUSE WELL THE THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH PAPER USUALLY IS WHEN THEY BLEACH IT UH-HUH THE DIOXINS THEY JUST USUALLY END UP GETTING DUHPED INTO THE WATER SUPPLY BUT UH THE GROCERY BAGS WITH THEM BEING COLORED OR BEING RAW PAPER I DON'T SEE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO A PETROLEUH PRODUCT I MEAN TREES CAN GROW BACK YEAH UH-HUH YES THAT'S RIGHT IF IF THEY'RE HANDLED IN THE CORRECT WAY BUT THE PETROLEUH PRODUCTS LIKE PLASTIC I MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF OIL WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO IT DOESN'T GROW +NOISE+ THAT'S RIGHT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN THAT'S WHERE I SEE THAT PAPER'S GOT TO BE BETTER NO IT'S UH-HUH +NOISE+ WELL YOU KNOW AND THEY SAY THAT +NOISE+ YOU KNOW PLASTIC IS RECYCLABLE BUT NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE USE THEM AGAIN YOU KNOW UH-HUH RIGHT RIGHT UH I OH I THINK SO TOO AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT FINED THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE OR THEY'RE THEY PAY THEM OFF OR WHATEVER SO THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT +NOISE+ I I WAS BORN IN OHIO AND +NOISE+ WHEN UH +NOISE+ WHEN I WAS YOUNG WE WE DID A LOT OF FISHING AND ON LAKE ERIE AND I +NOISE+ I MEAN WHEN I WENT BACK +NOISE+ I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE IT'S JUST TERRIBLE THE WAY IT'S POLLUTED BECAUSE OF +NOISE+ OF BIG CORPORATIONS THAT DUHP +NOISE+ AND YOU KNOW AND YOU JUST FEEL SO BAD BECAUSE AT ONE TIME IT WAS A WONDERFUL BEAUTIFUL LAKE AND NOW IT'S A MESS I'VE NEVER KNOWN IT TO BE ONE +NOISE+ I GUESS +NOISE+ I'M A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER THAN YOU +NOISE+ UH-HUH YEAH I WHEN I WAS LITTLE MY DAD HAD A BOAT AND WE WOULD GO FISHING ON LAKE ERIE AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL +NOISE+ AND +NOISE+ IT'S NOT BEAUTIFUL ANYMORE SO AND THAT'S UH ALL RIGHT DO YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF FACTORIES AND STUFF OUT THERE UH WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH IS THE INNER POLLUTION IN THE CITY THE UH UH WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME WARNINGS IN UH RALEIGH OH YOU MEAN UH ON AIR POLLUTION FOR LIKE SMOG AND STUFF UH-HUH BECAUSE OF THERE SO MANY CARS AND WE HAVE A BELT LINE AROUND RALEIGH WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DIVERT TRAFFIC HUH AND UH YOU KNOW IT'S STILL IT'S JUST SURROUNDING THE CITY AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT THERE'S A COUPLE OF UH TALL BUILDINGS UH-HUH IN RALEIGH AND AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY YOU KNOW THEY'RE BLURRED THEY'RE EVEN DARK AND WHAT IT IS IS THE POLLUTION HUH WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT UH THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT THAT'S GOING ON WELL I GUESS THAT'S THE FLUOROCARBONS YEAH AND UH THAT'S CAUSING THE HOLE IN THE OZONE UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S VERY SERIOUS I MEAN WE CAN WE'RE EVEN FEELING THE EFFECTS OF THE WEATHER FROM UH UH THE SHIFT IN THE JET STREAM UH-HUH IT IT IS SCARY THOUGH ISN'T IT RIGHT OH YEAH I MEAN UH THE LAST TWO UH YEARS OUR WINTERS HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I MEAN MAYBE ONE SNOW WELL ALL RIGHT NORTH CAROLINA THAT'S UP THERE BY KENTUCKY ISN'T IT UH-HUH OKAY KENTUCKY UH NORTH CAROLINA IS ALL THE WAY ON THE EAST COAST IT'S FURTHER WEST THAN GEORGIA IT'S UH RIGHT BELOW VIRGINIA +NOISE+ UH-HUH OKAY WELL KENTUCKY'S NEXT TO VIRGINIA I'M PRETTY SURE WELL I'M FROM KENTUCKY I SHOULD KNOW BUT I DON'T I'M SORRY BUT KENTUCKY WE USE TO HAVE SEVERE I MEAN JUST REAL COLD COLD WINTERS AND WE'D HAVE THREE AND FOUR FEET OF SNOW COURSE HERE IN TEXAS THEY DON'T HAVE SNOW THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT SNOW IS THEY FREAK OUT WHEN THERE'S SNOW ON THE GROUND +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ ORIGINALLY I'M FROM TEXAS SO I MEAN AMARILLO SO UH UH-HUH OH AMARILLO WELL THAT'S CLOSE TO HERE YEAH REAL CLOSE HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN RALEIGH UH I'VE BEEN OUT OF TEXAS ABOUT TEN YEARS WELL HOW OLD ARE YOU OH TWENTY UH SEVEN I ALMOST FORGOT MY AGE OH REALLY UH +NOISE+ OKAY WELL WE'RE THE SAME AGE YEAH I FORGET MY AGE ALL THE TIME SO THAT'S OKAY IT'S I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT GOES WITH THE TERRITORY BUT TO ME TEXAS SEE AND KENTUCKY WE HAD TO HAVE ICE ON THE GROUND FOR THEM TO CLOSE SCHOOL OKAY UH-HUH +NOISE+ IN TEXAS I'M SERIOUS IF IT GETS COLD AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO RAIN I I SWEAR THEY CLOSE EVERYTHING DOWN I JUST LAUGH I MEAN I DO THEY GET I MEAN AND TRAFFIC SLOWS DOWN TO NOTHING ACTUALLY THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE SAME THING HERE IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF FUNNY THEY UH I GUESS NORTHERNERS ARE DIFFERENT BUT EVEN UH NORTH CAROLINIANS THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE COLD WEATHER OH WELL NO I'M FROM THE NORTH THAT'S WHY I SAID WE IN KENTUCKY WE I DON'T KNOW YOU JUST GET USED TO THE WEATHER AND OF COURSE THE PEOPLE DOWN IN SOUTH THEY THEY'RE NOT USED TO COLD WEATHER AND STUFF AND UH IT JUST I DON'T KNOW I JUST LAUGH EVERY TIME THEY HAVE A EVERY TIME THEY HAVE SNOW ON THE GROUND EVERYTHING'S CLOSED UP AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN HAVE SNOW ON THE GROUND AND NOT BE SLICK ON THE ROAD +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE BUT UH DO YOU ALL HAVE MUCH POLLUTION THERE UH-HUH NO NOT REALLY I MEAN NOT TO SEE IT NOW OF COURSE THERE'S YOU KNOW T_I IS HERE OSCAR MAYER AND THERE IS A FEW FACTORIES BUT I DON'T SEE MUCH POLLUTION GOING ON WELL YOU KNOW WHAT IRKS ME IS THESE CARS THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD UH-HUH AND YOU HAVE THAT BLACK SMOKE COMING FROM THEIR TAIL PIPE WELL SEE THEY HAVE THAT UH WHAT IS IT A GAR TEST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY CALL IT AND UH UH-HUH WELL THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CUT DOWN ON IT SUPPOSEDLY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CATCH IT BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT AND EVEN THESE BUSES OH LORD IT REAL BAD THESE BUSES IN RALEIGH OH YEAH YEAH SCHOOL BUSES AND THE COMMERCIAL BUSES YEAH I MEAN SCHOOL BUSES ARE NOTORIOUS WELL THEY'RE BURNING THAT DIESEL FUEL IS WHAT IT IS OH YEAH YEAH AND UH IT IT GETS BAD UH-HUH WELL YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'VE STARTED DOING IS IS INSTEAD OF THE TAIL PIPES BEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE BUSES THEY'VE STARTED PUTTING THEM UP AT THE TOP AND THAT WAY IT GETS ABOVE UH OTHER CARS ON THE ROAD WELL THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AND UH IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE ALTHOUGH IT IT SETTLES YOU KNOW EVEN IF IT'S AT THE TOP AND IT'S A LOT OF BLACK SMOKE COMING OUT IT STILL SETTLES AND AND YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE JOGGING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT'S THAT'S EVEN MORE MISERABLE I WOULD I'D HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE COUNTRY TO JOG WELL UH THE YOU KNOW PREGNANT WOMEN AREN'T SUPPOSED TO WALK ALONG A HIGHWAY NO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UH-HUH UH BECAUSE OF THAT SMOKE FUHES WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY FIRST LITTLE BOY I HAD READ IT BECAUSE BACK THEN BECAUSE I WAS WALKING BACK AND FORTH WELL NOT BACK AND FORTH I WAS WALKING HOME FROM UH THE COLLEGE I WAS GOING TO IN KENTUCKY AND I WAS HAVING TO WALK ALONG THE HIGHWAY IT WAS JUST ONE DAY A WEEK BUT IT WAS IN I I HAVE NO SENSE OF SMELL SO I COULDN'T SMELL THIS BUT IT WOULD MAKE ME SICK AND I'D BE REAL TIRED ANYWAY JUST FROM WALKING UH-HUH ALONG THE HIGHWAY GOLLY THAT'S THAT'S BAD BUT YEAH IT'S YEAH ALL THE EXHAUST UH WELL THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO TOO IT'S PROBABLY A LOT WORSE NOW OH I'M SURE YEAH UH-HUH WELL THEY UH YOU CAN REALLY FEEL IT YOU KNOW IN YOUR BREATHING EVEN NORMAL PEOPLE AND IF YOU'RE OLDER UH I MEAN YOU CAN REALLY DEPLETE YOUR OXYGEN AND IT'LL YOU KNOW PASS OUT AND IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S KILLED SEVERAL PEOPLE UH ACTUALLY I'M A VERY I JUST SMOKE ONE IN THE EVENING IF THAT SO I'M A VERY VERY LIGHT SMOKER DO YOU UH SMOKE YEAH IT'S KIND OF IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY THEY WERE DOING SOME UH OZONE TESTING AND UH THE E P A AND THEY WERE JUST SCREENING SOME CANDIDATES AND I DON'T THINK I'D EVER YOU KNOW DO THAT BUT THEY UH ASKED ME IF I WAS A SMOKER AND I DIDN'T FIT INTO THE SMOKER'S CATEGORY AND I DIDN'T FIT INTO THE NONSMOKER'S CATEGORY UH IT WAS YOU KNOW I WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE YEAH BECAUSE YOU DO SMOKE ONE A DAY YEAH IN BETWEEN PEOPLE SO THAT KIND OF THREW THEM OFF UH UH BUT THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH HERE UH THE E P A FOR THE AIR POLLUTION FOR OZONE AND OH YEAH ALL THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE REAL BIG INTO IT THEY'VE GOT RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK HERE AND THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY'RE JUST DOING A LOT OF UH LOT OF STUFF HUH-UH HUH BUT THEY I DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT IT DOWN HERE COURSE TEXAS WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF POLLUTION BUT TOO WE'VE GOT THAT AIR COMING IN OFF THE COAST OH UH-HUH AND YOU KNOW IT'D BLOW IT UP NORTH UH-HUH SO MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE REASON IT'S NOT SO BAD DOWN HERE UH-HUH BUT NO IT WOULD SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE THE SAME WAY IN ON THE CALIFORNIA COASTLINE WOULDN'T IT OH GOSH I THINK I WOULD HATE TO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA THE SMOG THERE UH-HUH I MEAN I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE WARNINGS HERE WHICH IT IT'S MAINLY JUST WHEN IT GETS REAL REAL HOT UH-HUH BUT THEY USUALLY HAVE THAT EVERYWHERE BECAUSE OF THE HUHIDITY ESPECIALLY REALLY WELL THAT'S KIND OF GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I THOUGHT LORD I THOUGHT I LIVED IN A HALFWAY DECENT AREA UH I THINK THEY DO THAT FOR MOST EVERYBODY ESPECIALLY IT'S USUALLY FOR THE YOUNG CHILDREN AND THE OLDER THE OLD PEOPLE UH-HUH OLDER OLD PEOPLE WELL YOU OUGHT TO COME TO NORTH CAROLINA IT'S A BIG CHANGE +NOISE+ IT IS +NOISE+ OH YEAH THERE WAS NO TREES WHERE I WAS FROM IN AMARILLO AND HERE THEY'VE GOT THE MOUNTAINS THE BEACH THE TREES YOU KNOW IT'S THEY'VE GOT STREAMS RIVERS PONDS IT'S REALLY PRETTY HERE IS IT UH-HUH OH WELL THIS IS PRETTY WOODED AREA DOWN HERE SO IN A LOT OF PARTS YEAH I KNOW TEXAS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FLAT BUT THEY'VE GOT YOU KNOW DOWN BY THE DENISON DAM THERE'S A LOT OF UH SHERMAN AND DENISON DO YOU KNOW MY GRANDPARENTS LIVE IN DURANT YEAH THEY DO +NOISE+ THEY LIVE CLOSE THEN YEAH REAL CLOSE I GO THERE IN DURANT OKLAHOMA YEAH OH UH-HUH YOU GO WHERE UH YOU GO TO VISIT THEM OH YEAH WE USED TO GO FISHING IN LAKE TEXOMA HUH-UH YEAH WELL DOWN BY LAKE TEXOMA THERE'S A BUNCH OF WOODED AREA THIS BUT BUT KENTUCKY'S BEAUTIFUL THEY'VE GOT TREES AND TREES ARE SUPPOSED TO YOU KNOW PURIFY YOU KNOW WHAT THE BEST INDOOR PURIFYING PLANT IS FOR SMOKE AND STUFF IT'S A PHILODENDRON OH REALLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO FILTER THE AIR FOR YOU IN YOUR HOME WELL I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOME I HAD ONE MY HUSBAND BOUGHT IT FOR ME WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS BORN THREE MONTHS FOUR MONTHS AGO UH-HUH DO YOU SMOKE YEAH I DO YEAH I DO DO YOU DID YOU SMOKE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WERE PREGNANT WELL YEAH I DID I COULDN'T MAKE MYSELF QUIT I DID CUT DOWN A LOT +NOISE+ I MEAN I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT ACTUALLY +NOISE+ WELL I GOT I I'VE GOT ONE VICE AND SMOKE IS SMOKING IS IT I DON'T I DON'T DRINK AND I TRY NOT TO CUSS AND I DO I DO VERY LITTLE AND SMOKING I JUST I GOT IN THE HABIT OF IT WHEN I WAS ABOUT THIRTEEN YEAH WELL ONE THING I MISS IS UH IS THE PEOPLE FROM TEXAS ARE ARE YOU KNOW I MISS THEIR MORALS THEIR VALUES AND EVERYTHING IT'S UH YEAH WE'RE DOWN HERE AT THE BIBLE BELT AREN'T WE UH I WASN'T SAVED UNTIL I GOT DOWN HERE AND PEOPLE DOWN HERE ARE JUST THERE'S SO MANY CHRISTIANS AND IT'S SO DIFFERENT FROM KENTUCKY BUT UH-HUH HOW'D YOU GET INVOLVED IN THIS RESEARCH UH I WORKED AT T_I FOR A WHILE BUT THEN MY BROTHER IN LAW WORKS THERE AND HE GOT ME INTO IT OH I SEE HUH HOW'D YOU GET INTO IT UH I I WAS TAKING A VOICE I O CLASS AND UH AND ACTUALLY DOING SOME RESEARCH AND SO THEY TOLD ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT WELL IT'S FUN I LIKE TALKING TO NEW PEOPLE UH-HUH AND I HALF THE TIME WELL A COUPLE OF TIMES I'VE BEEN INTERRUPTED BY MY LITTLE GIRL I'VE HAD TO HANG UP AND STUFF UH-HUH BUT I ENJOY IT I TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM WELL WHAT CAROLINA NOW UH-HUH UP IN UH BOSTON AND NEW YORK WELL BOSTON IS NEW YORK ISN'T IT NO UH NO BOSTON'S ABOVE UH-HUH BOSTON MASSACHUSETTS +NOISE+ BUT I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN NEW YORK BUT I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TEXAS BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE T_I DOWN HERE YEAH I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TEXAS I HAD ONE CALL ACTUALLY FROM CHARLOTTE NORTH CAROLINA AND VIRGINIA AND UH I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE ALL FROM UP NORTH LIKE YOU SAID I THINK ONE WAS FROM BOSTON +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH WITH BOSTON I LOVE THEIR ACCENT +NOISE+ I DO I LOVE THE BOSTON ACCENT I MET A GIRL FROM BOSTON ONE TIME MY HUSBAND WAS IN THE SERVICE SO WE WENT FROM KENTUCKY TO LOUISIANA DOWN HERE TO TEXAS AND HIS FAMILY'S DOWN HERE WE'RE OUT OF THE SERVICE NOW OH I BET YOU'RE GLAD UH-HUH YEAH HE GOT OUT OF IT HIS UNIT RIGHT AFTER PANAMA WE WENT TO HE WENT TO PANAMA WHEN NORIEGA WAS DOING ALL THAT AND UH HE OH GOSH WELL THE THE THE MAJOR CAUSE IT SEEMS UP HERE IS UH WHAT DO YOU THINK +NOISE+ THE MAJOR CAUSE OF AIR POLLUTION OR AT LEAST IN THE BOSTON AREAS UH-HUH I LIVE RIGHT ON THE OCEAN SO IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO TELL WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I LIVED IN SOME OF THE VALLEYS INLAND BUT THE MAJOR CAUSE HERE AND WE ALWAYS SEEM TO AND IT SEEMS TO BE VALIDATED BY THE PRESS IS THE CAR POLLUTION WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION YEAH YEAH UH CAR POLLUTION SEEMS TO BE THE ONE AND ONLY THING THAT THAT I CAN REALLY PUT MY FINGER ON HERE UH THAT ISN'T THE SAME IN THE WASHINGTON AREA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR UH INDUSTRY EXCEPT FOR UH GOVERNMENT AND SERVICES AND THE THE TRANSPORTATION SITUATION IS SUCH THAT UH ALL THE CAR POLLUTION IS IS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL UH ALSO THE WORTH OF THE HUB OF THREE AIRPORTS IN THIS GENERAL AREA THERE IS UH NATIONAL DULLES AND THEN UH BALTIMORE WASHINGTON AND IT INTERESTINGLY SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'VE BEEN READING INDICATES THAT THE AMOUNT OF AIR POLLUTION FROM UH UH AIRPLANES IS EXTRAORDINARY IS THAT SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YEAH AND THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW YOU JUST DON'T REAL YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT WELL MOST PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION FROM AIRPLANES RATHER THAN THE AIR POLLUTION BUT THE UH APPARENTLY THE AIR POLLUTION AND THE FACT THAT IT'S DELIVERED RIGHT UP IN HIGH ALTITUDES YEAH IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT FACTOR I WOULD THINK SO YOU KNOW UH I GUESS IT TALKED ABOUT ALL TYPES OF POLLUTION I HAPPEN TO JUST READ SOMETHING THE OTHER DAY AT LEAST IN THE BOSTON PAPER THERE WERE THREE THINGS THAT THAT COME TO NOTE ONE IS THAT THE CARBON FLUORIDES THAT ARE +NOISE+ UH BEING RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE ARE CAUSING EVEN A LARGER HOLE IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE IN THE OZONE LAYER AND AGAIN AND NOW THEY'VE LOCATED ANOTHER ONE OR RATHER AN EXPANDING ONE IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE SO SO I'M QUITE CONCERNED I DON'T THINK IT'S INVOLVED ANY LONGER WITH WITH UH HAIR SPRAYS OR THOSE YEAH YEAH UH-HUH NO I THINK IT'S NOW IS WHAT UH FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND AND WE CERTAINLY TURNED INTO AN AIR CONDITIONED +NOISE+ SOCIETY SOCIETY +NOISE+ HAS ESPECIALLY RECENTLY +NOISE+ YEAH I KNOW IN FLORIDA THERE'S NO PLACE YOU GO THAT ISN'T AIR CONDITIONED AND I DO QUITE A BIT OF BUSINESS IN WASHINGTON AND I MEAN YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE HERE OH YEAH IT'S QUITE IS IS THE IT'S REALLY OUT OF THE NORM NOT TO FIND SOMETHING THAT ISN'T AIR CONDITIONED AND YEAH YEAH YEAH WE JUST HAD THE AND I GUESS REFRIGERATORS ARE THE SAME WAY THEY RELEASE THAT YEAH WELL YEAH WELL I I YEAH THAT'S RIGHT SO SOLUTIONS TO THIS WOULD BE I I YOU KNOW IMPROVED WELL I GUESS THE THE TO ME THE FIRST THING IS I WISH SOCIETY WOULD GET AS UPSET ABOUT THIS AS YOU DO GET GETTING PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT ANIMAL RIGHTS I MEAN THIS IS SO SO BASIC IT'S HUHAN RIGHTS IN THE SENSE BUT UH IN TERMS OF DEMANDING IT'S JUST NOT CAUSED BUT DEMANDING THAT UH WE CAN SPEND SO MUCH MONEY ON CERTAIN THINGS BUT THAT RESEARCH REALLY BE DIRECTED TOWARD UH IMPROVEMENT OF POLLUTING VEHICLES AND NOT JUST CARS BUT ALSO BUSES UH PLANES THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE I I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WELL IF WE CAN'T SEND PEOPLE TO THE MOON THAT WE CAN'T IMPROVE THESE THINGS NO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE DONE SIMPLY BECAUSE UH UH WE'VE WE'VE EVERY CAR NOW IN AMERICA THAT'S BEEN PRODUCED FOR THE PAST FIFTEEN YEARS HAS WHAT THEY CALL A CATALYTIC CONVERTER CONVERTER YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH AND THAT GAR FOR BUSES AND NO LEAD GAS WAS CAME TO THE PUHPS AND AND THAT'S BEEN DONE THERE'S THE LEAD POLLUTION HAS THAT PROBLEM ESSENTIALLY I GUESS BECAUSE IT WAS AT CRISIS PROPORTIONS WAS WAS LICKED AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE SOLUTIONS CERTAINLY WE DON'T EVEN NEED A NEED A RESEARCH ANYMORE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PASSING THE LAW AND PASSING THE LAW DEPENDS ON HOW HEAVY THE CAR INDUSTRY THE AUTOMOBILE LOBBY IS THAT'S RIGHT WELL AND ALSO TO MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT UH AND ALSO IN BUSES I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER GOT CAUGHT IN A TRAFFIC JAM BEHIND A BUS OH YEAH WELL THAT YOU KNOW UH-HUH YEAH THAT THAT THE THE SMELL IS AWFUL AND BUT YOU KNOW I WAS READING THE OTHER DAY NOT TO GO ON WITH THIS BUT THAT DIESEL FUHES ACTUALLY HAVE LESS POLLUTANTS IN THEM THAN GASOLINE FUHES UH-HUH UH-HUH SO I GUESS YOU'RE +NOISE+ BETTER OFF SITTING BEHIND A BUS THAN A CAR ALTHOUGH I CAN NEVER I COULD NEVER UH REALLY RATIONALIZE THAT WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE +NOISE+ YEAH BUT EVEN OF COURSE IN THE LONGER TERM JUST TO GET AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS YEAH WELL WE YOU KNOW I MEAN I'M I'M THINKING OF RESEARCH IN THAT DIRECTION RATHER THAN WE WE'VE TAKEN THE INTERMEDIATE STEP BUT I DON'T THINK FOSSIL FUELS ARE THE ANSWER UH-HUH YES I +NOISE+ YEAH UP HERE IN NEW ENGLAND UH WHERE I'VE RIGHT CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE IS THE SEABROOK NUCLEUS SITE WHICH IS PRACTICALLY A YOU KNOW GUERILLA WAR UP HERE WENT ON FOR YEARS UH MY DAUGHTERS MARCHED IN THE UH UH AGAINST THE SEABROOK AND I KIND OF UH MY FEELINGS WERE THAT WE NEEDED THIS BRIDGE TO TO UH TO JUHP FROM WHATEVER IT WAS GOING TO BE FROM FOSSIL FUEL TO WHATEVER IT WAS GOING TO BE YEAH YOU DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER AND CONDEMNING NUCLEAR USE YEAH YEAH YEAH UNFORTUNATELY THOUGH I THINK THE OIL COMPANIES HAVE LIED TO US FOR YEARS +NOISE+ SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ENOUGH FOSSIL FUEL LEFT OR THERE ISN'T AND UH AND UH BUT WITH THE POLLUTION ISSUE UH FOSSIL FUEL IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ANYWAY NO YEAH YEAH UH SO YOU'VE TO YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK ELSEWHERE SO UH BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE FRIGHTENING AND IN FACT WELL I WITHIN OUR FAMILY WE HAVE SAID MY HUSBAND I HAVE TWO SONS UH WELL ONE IS ALREADY IN COLLEGE IN NEW ENGLAND AND THE OTHER WILL BE GOING IN SEPTEMBER AND WE JUST FEEL THAT WHEN WE LEAVE UH THIS AREA WE'RE GOING NORTH NOT SOUTH YES UH I LIKE THE MENTALITY NORTH AND I ALSO LIKE THE FRESHER AIR UP THERE THAT'S RIGHT SO I MEAN THAT'S THE WAY WE WILL BE GOING YEAH BUT UH SO I I'D BE INTERESTED IN HAVING SPOKEN WITH SOMEBODY ALSO FROM THE FAR WEST ON THIS ISSUE TO SEE HOW THEY THEIR ATTITUDES ARE UH-HUH UH-HUH WELL SINCE SINCE TEXAS AND LOUISIANA AND UH CALIFORNIA THAT IN THAT RANKING ORDER THE WORST POLLUTANTS IN AMERICA I MEAN I READ THAT THE OTHER DAY I MEAN LOUISIANA FOR A SMALL STATE IT WAS AMAZING BUT IT'S THE INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION I SHOULD IMAGINE AND CALIFORNIA SEEMS TO BE TAKING STEPS I MEAN YOU YOU READ ABOUT THE THE FAIRLY THE SMOG AND YEAH UH-HUH YEAH FAIRLY STIFF LAWS THEY PUT IN ON CARS NOW THEY'RE THEY'RE ENFORCING BUT UH AGAIN UH THAT DIDN'T OCCUR WITHOUT A CRISIS NOTHING WILL OCCUR I GUESS WITHOUT A CRISIS I MEAN EVEN CALIFORNIA WAS NOTORIOUS FOR ITS SMOG YEARS AGO YEAH EXACTLY BEFORE IT EVEN WAS AN ISSUE OUT HERE +NOISE+ WELL THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WELL THE GREATEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO POLLUTION IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS THE NO SMOKING RULES ON AIRPLANES AND IN RESTAURANTS AND IT IT REALLY IS A PLEASURE FOR ME ALTHOUGH I GUESS SMOKERS DON'T +NOISE+ THINK THAT BUT THAT TO ME WAS POLLUTION GAR THAT'S THAT'S PERSONAL AIR POLLUTION +NOISE+ YES YES THAT WAS ITS MOST PERSONAL PERSONAL UH POLLUTION THAT I CAN THINK OF YEAH WELL I I DEFINITELY ADVANCE THAT WELL LISTEN I ENJOYED SPEAKING WITH YOU AND LET'S HOPE SOME THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY +NOISE+ SURELY GAR SOMETHING HAPPEN RIGHT ON THANK YOU YOU'RE WELCOME BYE_BYE BYE_BYE UH WE ARE TO DISCUSS AIR POLLUTION AND UH WHAT WE THINK THE CAUSES ARE UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND I PROBABLY WOULD UH TARGET UH INDUSTRY AS BEING NUHBER ONE POLLUTER YEAH THAT'S PROBABLY +NOISE+ A MAJOR ONE I THINK UH INDIVIDUALLY UH JUST BY THE VAST NUHBER OF PEOPLE THERE ARE THERE'S I THINK CARS ARE ALSO A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO IT +NOISE+ WELL VEHICLES AND AND YES RIGHT BECAUSE UH THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OUT THERE ESPECIALLY THOSE THE BIG RIGS LIKE THE BUSSES AND UH YEAH VEHICLES +NOISE+ +NOISE+ HUH THE BIG UH EIGHTEEN WHEELERS AND SO FORTH I THINK THEY WOULD GENERATE PROBABLY UH ONE OF THEM WOULD PROBABLY GENERATE ENOUGH FOR THREE CARS +NOISE+ BUT THAT'S NOT AND I THINK IT CAN BE RESOLVED IF UH IF THEY REALLY LET GO WITH UH-HUH UH-HUH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ JUST A MINUTE I'M ON THE PHONE +NOISE+ THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY HAVE AT UH AT THEIR HAND AND THEY HAVEN'T RELEASED IT YET UH-HUH +NOISE+ I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HOLD BACK UH BECAUSE OF UH OH PRIORITIES THAT THEY HAVE YEAH +NOISE+ YOU KNOW AND UH IT'S YOU HAVE SOME CHILDREN +NOISE+ OH OKAY +NOISE+ DO YOU HAVE DO YOU WATCH CHILDREN OR DO YOU WELL IT +NOISE+ YES +NOISE+ I HAVE I HAVE FIVE IN THE KITCHEN AT THE MOMENT YOU NEED TO SHUT THE DOOR PLEASE SHUT THE DOOR RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE AIR CONDITIONER RUNNING WHAT DO YOU NEED +NOISE+ HURRY I'M ON THE PHONE +NOISE+ YES YOU MAY AND THEY KEEP TURNING THE TAPE RECORDER UP BESIDES +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UH I HAVE THREE OF +NOISE+ MY OWN AND I HAVE UH TWO THAT I'M TENDING FOR THE SUHMER UH-HUH WELL THAT'S INTERESTING OFF AND ON SO +NOISE+ THEY CAUSE MORE NOISE POLLUTION THAN AIR POLLUTION +NOISE+ THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT UH IS THERE ANYTHING +NOISE+ WELL TEMPORARILY THEY DO +NOISE+ THEN WE GET OUT OF THAT PHASE YEAH SOON ENOUGH BUT UH I THINK ANOTHER +NOISE+ YOU CAN TELL WHEN YOU GO AROUND CITIES YOU CAN SMELL SPECIFIC THINGS FROM +NOISE+ FROM +NOISE+ SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES OH YES I REMEMBER BEING I I GREW UP IN +NOISE+ NEW JERSEY UH-HUH UH-HUH SURE AND UH I CAN REMEMBER THE SMELL OF NEWARK +NOISE+ VIVIDLY +NOISE+ +NOISE+ AND IT'S THE TYPE OF INDUSTRY YOU KNOW WHICH OBVIOUSLY IF YOU CAN SMELL IT IT'S IN THE AIR UH-HUH WELL I KNOW UH UH IN MICHIGAN UH THE WAY THEY USED TO TAKE CARE OF THE TRASH IS THEY WOULD INCINERATE IT AND THE FUHES FROM THE INCINERATION WAS A TERRIBLE POLLUTANT TO THE AIR YEAH AND UH OF COURSE NOW WELL PEOPLE THINK YOU BURN IT IT'S GONE BUT IT'S NOT GONE +NOISE+ NO AND WHEN THEY AND YOU BURY IT AND IT'S NOT GONE EITHER BECAUSE IT HAS UNTOLD RAMIFICATIONS UH-HUH AND UH THEN IT JUST GETS INTO THE SOIL AND INTO THE WATER +NOISE+ AND IT GETS INTO INTO PEOPLE YEAH YEAH YOU KNOW WHICH IS UH THE THE MOST IMPORTANT UH RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE IS PEOPLE AND THEY'RE AND THEY'RE DESTROYING US THEY REALLY ARE SO I THINK THE COCKROACH WILL EVOLVE UH SAFELY +NOISE+ WE REALLY HAVE TO DO MORE +NOISE+ SO THEY SAY +NOISE+ I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE WITH THE RECYCLING THAT'S I'M I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S MORE OF THAT HAPPENING YES BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH YEAH AND WE NEED EXPERT COOPERATION WELL IT'S A WE'RE GETTING AT LEAST THEY'RE STARTING YOU KNOW YEAH EDUCATION OF THE SO AT LEAST THEY'RE MOVING THAT DIRECTION EDUCATION OF THE PEOPLE IS PRIMARY I WOULD THINK YEAH AND UH AND WE'RE HARD TO TEACH WE ARE HARD TO TEACH UH-HUH WELL IT'S GOING TO IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A GENERATION OR TWO BEFORE ABSOLUTELY YEAH BEFORE IT'S REALLY GOING UH-HUH VERY WELL BECAUSE NOW THE ADULTS ARE MORE AWARE OF IT AND THE CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS MORE IT'LL BE YOU KNOW ON DOWN THE ROAD THIS IS GOING TO BE PASSED ON WHICH IS GOOD ABSOLUTELY YES UH OF COURSE UH WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ACCELERATED BECAUSE UH OF THE CRITICAL NATURE OF IT UH-HUH THE THE LEARNING OF IT AND THE JUST TO UH THINK THAT WAY WE HAVE TO BE IN THAT THOUGHT PATTERN AND ABLE TO UH MOTIVATE OURSELVES TO UH UH DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE ATMOSPHERE UH-HUH YEAH YEAH UH I THINK WE'RE ALL CONTRIBUTORS I MEAN EVERY HUHAN BEING THAT LIVES IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO POLLUTION SO WE JUST UH UH-HUH I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT EDUCATION IS A BIG THING YOU KNOW AND AS WE EDUCATE THEM INDIVIDUALLY WHAT THEY CAN DO +NOISE+ PEOPLE BECOME MORE AWARE OF THE THINGS IN INDUSTRY TOO THAT THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS AND AND I THINK THAT THEY'LL THEY'LL WORK TOWARDS SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS MORE TOO UH WELL HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE RESOLVED WITHIN A SHORTER TIME FRAME THAN WE HAVE SEEN IT DONE IN THE PAST UH-HUH THAT THE TIME FRAME FOR CLEANING UP OUR AIR AND OUR AND OUR UH +NOISE+ LAND YOU KNOW WHICH UH WE GET OUR NUTRIENTS FROM YOU KNOW I MEAN EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO THE LAND YEAH +NOISE+ JUST A MINUTE AND I'LL TURN IT UP I'LL TURN IT UP IN A MINUTE HONEY WHEN I'M DONE +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ SO +NOISE+ UH IT'S JUST UH VERY CRITICAL I THINK AT THIS POINT TO UH GET THAT THROUGH TO THE PEOPLE AND GET US EDUCATED UH-HUH YEAH WELL I THINK SCIENCE HAS COME A LONG WAY TO MAKING IT SO THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO FIND WAYS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UH +NOISE+ I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY OFFER CLASSES IN UH THE UH IN THE GRADE SCHOOL UH UH SUBJECTING I THINK THEY TEACH IT A LOT IN SCIENCE +NOISE+ IN SCIENCE OKAY YEAH I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD COME THROUGH I WHAT GRADE LEVEL WOULD THAT BE WOULD THAT BE UH PERHAPS THE FIRST GRADE LEVEL WHICH WOULD BE I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF GETTING IT IN ALL DIFFERENT GRADES WELL I MEAN ARE THEY STARTING THOUGH AT AT WITH THE CHILDREN THAT ARE SO THEIR LITTLE MINDS ARE LIKE SPONGES AND THEY CAN REALLY +NOISE+ UH RELATE TO THAT YEAH +NOISE+ I THINK THEY ARE STARTING PROBABLY IN THE FIRST GRADE THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY'RE HEARING SOMEWHAT ABOUT IT UH +NOISE+ I KNOW UH TARGET HAS THEIR PROGRAM TO MAKE KIDS MORE AWARE OF IT AND +NOISE+ YEAH TARGET STORES OH OKAY THEY'VE GOT IF YOU GO IN THE ENTRANCE THEY'VE GOT UH STANDS USUALLY WHERE THEY HAVE UH LITTLE UH KIND OF A LITTLE NEWSPAPER THING OKAY THAT THE KIDS CAN READ AND +NOISE+ AND THEY CAN FORM A +NOISE+ A GROUP TO UH YEAH YEAH OH I SEE UH-HUH HELP FIGHT THE POLLUTION OH THAT'S WONDERFUL SO WELL I'M SURE THAT UH PERHAPS THEY'RE THE LEADERS YOU KNOW AND OTHER WILL OTHERS WILL PICK UP ON THEIR EXAMPLE AND CARRY IT UH FURTHER YEAH YOU KNOW BECAUSE UH THOUGHTS ARE UH-HUH WELL I I KNOW IT'S IT'S A HARD PROBLEM TO SOLVE BECAUSE YOU YOU KNOW LIKE MCDONALD'S HAS CHANGED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PAPER AND FOAM AND THAT KIND OF THING AND THEY DO ALL THESE STUDIES ON WHICH ONES POLLUTE MORE AND THEN THERE'S THE PAPER AND PLASTIC BAG QUESTION OKAY UH WHERE DO YOU LIVE IN PLANO IN PLANO YES WHERE DO YOU LIVE IN DALLAS OH OKAY +NOISE+ UH THE AIR POLLUTION ISN'T TOO BAD IN OUR AREA SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE BUT +NOISE+ I KNOW IN SOME AREAS IT'S REALLY IT IT REALLY IS BAD I HAVEN'T EITHER UH-HUH HUH +NOISE+ UH I WAS TRYING TO THINK UH SOMETHING WE WERE WATCHING THE OTHER DAY AND THEY WERE DOING AN OVERVIEW OF LOS ANGELES UH FROM AN AREA THAT WAS UP HIGHER AND YOU LITERALLY COULD SEE THE BAND OF SMOG THAT UH I'VE NEVER BEEN OUT THERE BUT +NOISE+ IT WAS IT WAS QUITE EVIDENT +NOISE+ THAT IT WAS A REAL BROWN AREA AND YEAH YES WELL I THINK IT WOULD BE TERRIBLE TO LIVE IN AN AREA LIKE THAT AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE THAT THAT BAD PARTICULARLY IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE INDUSTRIES UH WHERE THEY ARE BURNING A LOT OF COAL AND OIL YEAH UP MORE UP NORTH I GUESS UH I THINK IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM WITH THE CAR POLLUTION ANTI POLLUTION DEVICES I THINK UH AIR ISN'T AS BAD IT ONCE WAS FROM THE CARS BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY HAVE PLENTY OF CARS IN OUR AREA YES WELL I KNOW UH THAT'S BEEN THE CONCERN IN EUROPE THEY HADN'T UH WE HAVE FRIENDS IN GERMANY AND UH +NOISE+ HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVE NEAR THE BLACK FOREST AREA AND +NOISE+ LARGE AREAS OF THE FOREST ARE BEING HURT FROM THE CARS BECAUSE WHEN WE UH SWITCHED TO THE UNLEADED GAS AND AND HAD THE EMISSION CONTROL ADVICE UH +NOISE+ DEVICES REQUIRED ON THE CARS UH THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EUROPE DIDN'T DO RIGHT AWAY AND NOW THEY'RE DOING THAT AND I GUESS IT STARTED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE FOUND THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT'S THE ONLY POLLUTION THAT'S BEEN THERE IT'S NOT AN AREA THAT IS INDUSTRY BUT THEY WERE LOSING A LOT OF UH TREES AND A LOT OF UH I GUESS FROM FROM SOMETHING THAT THE CAR WAS UH WAS GIVING YES AND FROM ACID RAIN I THINK IT GIVES OFF UH IN THE EMISSIONS IT GIVES OFF GASES WHICH COMBINE UP IN THE ATMOSPHERE UH AND FORM A A WEAK ACID IT JUST MAKES THE RAIN FALL ON THE ACID SIDE AND AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME I THINK THAT ACCUHULATES IN UH TREES BECAUSE THEY TAKE IT UP THROUGH THEIR ROOTS AS WELL AS IT LANDING ON THE LEAVES ON SURFACES LIKE YOU'VE SEEN WHAT IT'S DONE TO BUILDINGS EVEN YES YEAH WHERE IT'S REALLY BAD +NOISE+ WHAT'S INTERESTING SEVERAL YEARS AGO I TOOK A COURSE UH ON UH +NOISE+ WELL IT WAS ACTUALLY IT WAS PUT ON BY THE POWER COMPANIES AND ABOUT THE VARIOUS SOURCES OF ENERGY AND HOW MUCH POLLUTION THERE WAS AND THERE WASN'T FROM VARIOUS KINDS OF OF ENERGY AND UH AT THAT POINT IN TIME ONE PERSON THAT WAS A SPEAKER BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC OF ACID RAIN AND IT WAS KIND OF POOH POOHED YOU KNOW OH YOU'RE MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL KIND OF THING AND IT'S TURNED OUT THAT THAT'S BEEN VERY TRUE WHAT HE WAS FORECASTING ABOUT THE ACCUHULATION OF OF THE POLLUTANTS IN THE AIR AND THE ACID RAIN AND WHAT IT WOULD DO TO FOLIAGE SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THE CHANGE IN PERSPECTIVE FROM WHEN I TOOK THAT COURSE NOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY AFRAID OF NUCLEAR UH I'M NOT AFRAID OF NUCLEAR HAVING HAD THAT COURSE BECAUSE OF HOW THE NUCLEAR THAT UH THEY USE IS NOT BOMB QUALITY AND WE'RE SO STRICT WITH ALL OUR CONTROLS IN THE UNITED STATES THE CHANCES OF OF AN ACCIDENT ARE SLIGHT AND IT DOESN'T POLLUTE THE AIR AT ALL +NOISE+ IT'S SAFER TO BE AROUND A NUCLEAR PLANT THEN IT IS TO BE AROUND A COAL PLANT MANY MORE DEATHS HAVE OCCURRED IN AND DEALING WITH COAL PLANTS THEN EVER AROUND NUCLEAR PLANTS IT'S KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST PETRIFIED AT LEAST SOME ARE AT THE THOUGHT OF NUCLEAR YES YES YEAH I I GET THAT SOMETIMES UH MY LINE GETS SOME STATIC I DON'T KNOW WHY WELL I KNOW IT'S GAR UH SO I DON'T KNOW IN EUROPE THERE'S A LOT OF DEPENDENCY ON NUCLEAR POWER AND THEY RECYCLE THE FUEL AND THEN INSTEAD OF OF SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY AFRAID TO RECYCLE THE FUEL BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID IT COULD BECOME UH BOMB QUALITY +NOISE+ BUT THAT'S THE ONLY SENSIBLE THING TO DO IS RECYCLE AND REUSE THE FUEL AND NOT STORE IT DOWN IN THE GROUND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WHERE IT COULD EVENTUALLY PERHAPS THERE'S SOME PROBLEM UH POLLUTE THE GROUNDWATER SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS THE BEST ANSWER OF COURSE WOULD BE SOLAR OR UH +NOISE+ FUSION OR SOMETHING CLEAN +NOISE+ WELL WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM ON THE LINE +NOISE+ DON'T WE UH-HUH BUT UH SOLAR OF COURSE WOULD BE THE CLEAN THE CLEANEST +NOISE+ WE DID HAVE A SOLAR WATER HEATER WHEN WE LIVED IN HOUSTON AND UH ODDLY ENOUGH I THOUGHT OUR PART OF THE COUNTRY WAS IDEAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU AT ALL FOR ALL THIS STATIC +NOISE+ OH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO +NOISE+ USUALLY IT'S THE OTHER PHONE I HAVE TROUBLE WITH IT MUST JUST BE ON THE LINE CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY I DON'T KNOW WHAT UH I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS BUT UH WHEN WE LIVED IN HOUSTON WE HAD A SOLAR WATER HEATER AND NOW I CAN AGAIN +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ UH-HUH WE HAD THOUGHT THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY WOULD BE IDEAL FOR +NOISE+ SOLAR HOMES AND SOLAR ENERGY AND WE HAVE ENOUGH CLOUDS THAT UH THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED THAT SURPRISED ME BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UH SUNNY DAYS AND AND IT YES IT CAN BE USED AND IT CAN HELP BUT UH THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT THEY WERE STILL WORKING ON BUT WELL I YES OH YEAH IT IT'S STILL GOT A LONG WAY TO GO IT'S JUST YOU KNOW A POSSIBLE SOLUTION IN THE FUTURE I THINK MAYBE TO HELP IN SOME WAYS IT MAY NOT IN ALL WAYS MAYBE THEY'LL COME UP WITH FUSION +NOISE+ YOU KNOW BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'LL TAKE BUT +NOISE+ ONE OF THESE DAYS BECAUSE THAT'S PERFECTLY CLEAN YES IT'S JUST WE CAN'T CONTROL IT RIGHT NOW IT TAKES MORE ENERGY TO CAUSE FUSION TO OCCUR THEN YOU GET OUT SO IT ISN'T NOT AT ALL AND YOU CAN'T CONTROL IT UNLESS YOU GOTTEN A HUGE ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AT LEAST NOT NOW BUT UH +NOISE+ WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD UH AS FAR AS ENERGY GOES I I THINK +NOISE+ WITH SOLVING SOME OF THE ENERGY FUTURE ENERGY PROBLEMS WE'LL PROBABLY SOLVE SOME OF THE POLLUTION PROBLEMS AS WELL UH I HOPE SO +NOISE+ I DO TO +NOISE+ I LIKE TO BE OPTIMISTIC I DON'T LIKE TO BE PESSIMISTIC +NOISE+ ABOUT THESE THINGS WELL I DO THINK UH I MEAN YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED SEVERAL THINGS I THINK UH JUST THE CHANGE IN ATTITUDE AND THE FACT THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE AWARE THERE IS A PROBLEM AND MORE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN UH YES WE HAVE ONE EARTH TO LIVE ON AND WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT UH-HUH YES WELL AND AND FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS TOO UH YES +NOISE+ I'VE NOTICED STUDENTS ARE ARE MUCH MORE YOU KNOW YOUNG YOUNG PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE RECEPTIVE TO IDEAS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECTING THE EARTH AND SO IF WE CAN RAISE IT UH YOU KNOW GENERATIONS WITH THOSE CONCERNS WE'LL SOLVE A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS I'M AFRAID I KNOW I WAS PART OF THE ME GENERATION WHERE THEY DIDN'T GAR SO MANY OF THEM DIDN'T PEOPLE DIDN'T CARE YOU KNOW IT'S WHATEVER YOU KNOW RECYCLE WELL IF IT'S A PROBLEM FORGET THAT UH NOT THROW THE TRASH OUT THE CAR WINDOW AND LEAVE IT IN THE CAR AND THEN THROW IT AWAY HOW HORRIBLE +NOISE+ YOU KNOW NOW I'VE ALWAYS DONE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BECAUSE I JUST DIDN'T LIKE MESSES AND MY NAME'S MARY DELL AND I LIVE IN THE DALLAS TEXAS AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF POLLUTION +NOISE+ OH +NOISE+ OKAY AND I'M UP IN WISCONSIN UH MY NAME IS TERRY UH-HUH AND UH IN THE SMALL TOWN WE DON'T BUT UH WE'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM THE CITY WHERE THERE'S TONS OF POLLUTION YES OKAY I'LL GO AHEAD AND START RECORDING THAT +NOISE+ OKAY UH OKAY OH UH-HUH JUST IN PARTICULAR HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG CORPORATIONS AND UH I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF POLLUTION WE UH BEFORE MOVING TO WISCONSIN LIVED ACROSS FROM WHERE THEY WERE UH GRAVEL PITS AND ALSO WHERE THEY WERE MAKING TAR AND SO WE WOULD OCCASIONALLY IF THE WIND WAS BLOWING THE RIGHT DIRECTION WOULD GET THE SMELL OF TAR AND OOH IT WOULD UH SMELL THE CONTINUOUS YOU KNEW THAT YOU WERE ALSO BREATHING THAT INTO YOUR LUNGS SO RIGHT UH-HUH AND IT WAS LIKE MILES AWAY BUT JUST THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT COME ACROSS THE WAY IT DID IN THE WIND KIND OF MADE YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF POLLUTION AND THAT WAS JUST ONE SMALL CORPORATION THAT WAS DOING THE POLLUTION OF THAT BUT UH-HUH UH-HUH ALSO UH WHERE WE ALSO LIVED TOO IT WAS VERY CLOSE TO A HIGHWAY SO GOT A LOT OF FUHES FROM UH TRUCKS AND CARS AND YOU WOULD LITERALLY SEE THE POLLUTION ON YOUR FURNITURE I MEAN IT WAS OH GOSH UH-HUH UH-HUH ON YOUR TABLES YOU WOULD DUST EVERY DAY AND IT WAS DIRTY UH TYPE OF DUST I MEAN IT WASN'T THE TYPICAL DUST THAT YOU GET WAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY UH FOR I LIVE IN A SMALL UH TOWN NOW QUITE A WAYS FROM THE TWIN CITIES ABOUT AN HOUR AWAY AND I MAY DUST ONCE A WEEK AND THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS VERSUS EVERY DAY WHEN I LIVED IN THE CITY SO HUH I'D NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEING A CAUSE I HAVE TO DUST A LOT AS WELL YEAH UH-HUH OH YEAH IT IT COMES RIGHT ON THROUGH THROUGH THE SCREENS THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE IN THE CITY IS TO CLOSE YOUR WINDOWS AND HAVE AN AIR CLEANER SYSTEM RIGHT IN YOUR HOME THAT WOULD TAKE THE AIR FROM THE OUTSIDE AND CLEAN THE AIR BEFORE IT WOULD GET INTO THE HOUSE MY GOODNESS UH-HUH UH-HUH AND SO IT WAS QUITE A DIRTY CITY UH IF YOU WERE WELL PROTECTED BY TREES WHICH CATCH A LOT OF THE POLLUTION THEN YOU'RE FINE BUT MOST OF THE TIME IN THE CITY YOU HAVE LOTS OF HIGH RISES YOU HAVE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT CATCHING THE POLLUTION AND IT'S JUST GOING FOR MILES AND MILES AND MILES AND IT'S LANDING SOMEWHERE WITH THE WIND BUT SURE THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY DALLAS IS WE'RE SO FLAT AND OPEN AND I LIVE IN A SUBURB THAT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH VEGETATION TREES IT WAS ALL COTTON FIELDS SO SURE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE AND OURS I THINK IS PRIMARILY CARS WHERE WE DON'T CARPOOL LIKE WE SHOULD YEAH YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH AN AIRPORT I WORK IN A BUILDING I'M NINETEEN FLOORS UP AND I LOOK OUT TOWARD D F W INTERNATIONAL AND THERE'S JUST AN AWFUL BROWN HAZE ALL THE TIME AND I CAN IMAGINE IT'S EVEN WORSE FOR PEOPLE LIVING OVER NEAR THE AIRPORT UH-HUH OH SURE SURE YEAH IT'S I MEAN OUR AIR QUALITY UH IN THE TWIN CITIES IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT CALIFORNIA AND MAYBE IN THE OTHER AREAS BUT UH THEY WERE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY OF TODAY IS THIS YOU KNOW THE OZONE OR WHATEVER AND IT'S KIND OF SCARY BECAUSE THE AIR IS SOMETHING WE TAKE FOR GRANTED YES AND MANY PEOPLE ARE TOO BUSY GETTING TO WORK NOT THINKING ABOUT OKAY I COULD HAVE CARPOOLED WITH A FRIEND EVEN UH-HUH MY HUSBAND WAS UH TALKING TO SOME OF THE GUYS AT WORK NOW HE'S UH FIFTEEN MILES AWAY FROM WORK BUT HE WAS TALKING WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO CARPOOL AND THE GUY SAYS WELL IT'S TOO CLOSE IT WOULDN'T PAY AND SO UH-HUH WANT TO MEET MY OWN SCHEDULE THOSE ARE THE ARGUHENTS WE HEAR UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH AND EXACTLY AND SO MY HUSBAND SAYS WELL THAT'S FINE YOU KNOW IT WOULD SAVE QUITE A BIT ON THE WEAR AND TEAR ON CARS AND YOU KNOW THE GAS AND NO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PREFERENCE TO DRIVE BY THEMSELVES OR IF THEY DO THEY THEY DRIVE WITH ONE LITTLE BUDDY UH AT LEAST IT'S WITH ONE PERSON BUT MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE SAYING FORGET IT I DON'T WANT TO CARPOOL IT'S TOO MUCH OF A HASSLE IT'S TOO MUCH INVOLVEMENT BUT YET BUT WE'RE PAYING FOR IT UH-HUH YES WE ARE AND I THINK OF MY DAUGHTER AND I'M SURE YOU THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN AND YOU KIND OF SAY TO YOURSELF WHAT KIND OF FUTURE WILL THEY HAVE WHEN THEY THINK BACK AND SAY WELL MY PARENTS DID HAVE THE CHOICE TO KIND OF MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND MAYBE PEOPLE ARE TRYING BUT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE ATTITUDES UH-HUH SURE SURE SURE WELL THEY AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S ALREADY SO EVIDENT WITH OUR CHILDREN HAVING A LOT MORE RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS THAN WE HAD GROWING UP YOU CAN REALLY SEE IT I I HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO BOLIVIA A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND OF COURSE THERE'S NO INDUSTRY VERY LITTLE TRASH THEY THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT MUCH THAT THEY BURN BECAUSE THEY CONSUHE EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE THREAD AND IT AMAZED ME I I JUST HAD TOTALLY FORGOTTEN HOW OKAY FOR AS FAR AS UH I WOULD THINK THE PROBABLY THE UH WORST SUBSTANCE THAT'S PROBABLY UH OR STARTED TO SAY THE UH WHAT CAUSES THE MOST AIR POLLUTION IS PROBABLY THE CAR PROBABLY SO AND UH WHETHER OR NOT UH THEY'LL EVER GET INTO LIKE HUGE TRANSIT SYSTEMS INTO BIG CITIES WHERE PEOPLE WOULD ALL TRAVEL ON A HIGH SPEED UH TRAIN +NOISE+ OR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR YEAH IT'LL BE HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO GIVE UP THEIR MOBILITY UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S EXACTLY IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FINDING UH HERE WHERE WE'RE AT IN MINNEAPOLIS AREA IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO CARPOOL THAT THERE ARE INCONVENIENCES TO THAT OR MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSON YOU HAVE TO YOU WOULD WANT TO CARPOOL WITH THAT KIND OF THING SO IT'S IT'S KIND OF A THING WHERE UH I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT CARPOOL I THINK SO TOO I'M IN TEXAS UH-HUH AND VERY FEW PEOPLE CARPOOL UH ACTUALLY NO WE HAVE UH QUITE A BIT UH THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AND THAT'S ALL OVER THE WHOLE WORLD IS OZONE UH-HUH UH-HUH AND OF COURSE HAY FEVER SEASON YOU GET SOME POLLUTANTS SUCH AS THOSE BUT THOSE ARE NATURAL YEAH +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH BUT THERE IS STARTING TO IN MINNEAPOLIS ITSELF BECAUSE OF SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE HIGHWAY THERE IS BECOMING A PROBLEM OF POLLUTION AND THEY JUST PUT IN A STRICT LAW THAT AS OF EVERY YEAR WHEN YOU GET YOUR LICENSE TABS YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAR INSPECTED TO SEE IF IT'S RELEASING ANY UH LEAD INTO THE AIR OR OTHER POLLUTANTS AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR CAR FIXED AT LEAST WHERE YOU GAR WELL THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS GOTTEN HERE WE HAVE JUST HAD THAT LAW I THINK ABOUT A YEAR MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF HERE IN TEXAS SURE YEAH BUT UH I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA YEAH IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL WANT TO DRIVE THE OLDER CARS UH-HUH WHICH YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR THAT SURE SURE AND UH BUT IF THEY ARE POLLUTING THE AIR THEY NEED DO NEED TO HAVE THEM FIXED EXACTLY UH-HUH AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A BIG MOVE ESPECIALLY IN THE INDUSTRIAL PART IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW OF CONTROLLING THE C F C THAT THE BIG MANUFACTURING COMPANIES ARE PRODUCING INTO THE AIR SURE THEY'RE HAVING TO CHANGE THE TYPE OF PRODUCTS THEY USE UH-HUH UH THEY CAN'T USE LIKE I HAVE A FRIEND THAT'S IN THE AIR CONDITIONING HEATING BUSINESS UH-HUH AND THEY HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY FOR EVERY OUNCE OR POUND OF THIS CERTAIN TYPE OF FREON THAT THEY USE IN THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS SURE UH-HUH THEREFORE THE INDIVIDUAL EVERY TIME THEY HAVE A SERVICE CALL IF THEY HAVE AN OLD UNIT THAT'S STILL USING THIS TWENTY TWO FREON OR WHATEVER IT IS IT COSTS THEM THREE TIMES AS MUCH TO GET IT FIXED SURE UH-HUH AND UH IF YOU HAVE A NEW HIGH EFFICIENCY SYSTEM THAT USES THE NEW TYPE OF FREONS THAT DO NOT RELEASE AS MANY C F C INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IT DOESN'T COST AS MUCH YEAH SO EVENTUALLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO NEWER SYSTEMS YOU KNOW BUT UH-HUH RIGHT UH-HUH UH UH-HUH SURE UH THE OTHER THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FREON WITH CARS UH AIR CONDITIONING I'M SURE OVER THERE IT'S A NECESSITY VERSUS SOMETHING UP HERE WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT IT BUT IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE BUT UH THIS YEAR MY HUSBAND RECHARGED OUR FREON BECAUSE IT WAS NEEDED TO BE DONE AND ONE OF THE CANS +NOISE+ RELEASED ENTIRE AMOUNT OF FREON INTO THE UH INTO THE AIR BECAUSE HE OPENED IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT OR IT HIS DIRECTIONS WEREN'T QUITE FULLY INSTRUCTED ONTO THAT AND I WAS THINKING HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE IT'S PROBABLY HAPPENED TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE UH-HUH +NOISE+ UH-HUH OH SURE BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE IT INTO A SERVICE STATION THEY WANT TO CHARGE YOU FORTY DOLLARS JUST FOR UH FREON WHICH ONLY COSTS YOU ABOUT THREE DOLLARS SO I HAVE THIS FEELING THAT FREON PROBABLY WILL INCREASE IN PRICE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND SAY HEY THAT'S UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT THERE I THINK IT'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR DOLLARS A A CAN AND IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE CANS TO FILL UP A AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IN A CAR AND I I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND MY HUSBAND EVEN WAS KIND OF WOOZY AFTER THAT BECAUSE I'M SURE HE BREATHED IT +NOISE+ INHALED SO MUCH OF IT UH-HUH BUT UH YOU THINK ABOUT THAT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING FREON AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND UH-HUH EXACTLY PUHP YEAH YEAH WELL OF COURSE IN THE UH I THINK YOU PROBABLY NOTICED IN THE DISCOUNT STORES AND PLACES IN THE HAIR SPRAYS WE'RE NOT SEEING AS MANY AEROSOL CANS DOWN HERE NEARLY EVERYTHING IS IN THE PUHP SQUIRT OKAY SO WHAT DO YOU UH THINK IS THE UH THE WORST CULPRIT FOR AIR POLLUTION WELL I THINK IT'S IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF THINGS UH FACTORIES THAT THAT BURN COAL AS A AN ENERGY SOURCE WITH SULFUR AND NITROGEN CONTAMINANTS YOU KNOW AND YOU GET SULFUR OXIDES AND NITROGEN OXIDES UH-HUH UH THOSE ARE THE ONES I THINK PRIMARILY CONTRIBUTE TO ACID RAIN AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY HURTING US A LITTLE BIT IT'S HURTING YOU KNOW IT'S HURTING GERMANY FOR EXAMPLE TOO AND SOME OTHER PARTS OF EUROPE WHERE THEY WHERE THEY HAVE HIGH INDUSTRY SO WE'RE NOT THE LONE RANGER HERE YEAH I UH I IT'S HARD TO PUT THE FINGER ON UH WHAT'S WORSE YOU KNOW THE ACID RAIN SITUATION OR THE OZONE DEPLETION UH WITH UH YOUR HYDROCARBONS UH YEAH CAUSING THE DAMAGE IN WHICH HOPEFULLY WE'RE BACKING OFF FROM THAT A LITTLE BIT BUT I KNOW WE HAVEN'T CURED IT YET BY A LONG SHOT WELL I NOTICE ON ONE OF THESE UH HOME SHOPPING NETWORKS THEY WERE SELLING THESE UH HALOGEN UH FIRE EXTINGUISHERS YEAH AND THE HALOGEN IS UH AN OZONE DEPLETER AND IT GOT HYDROCARBONS IN THERE IT'S A VERY CLEAN UH FIRE EXTINGUISHER BUT IT'S YOU KNOW REALLY BAD ON THE ENVIRONMENT YEAH HUH YEAH I GUESS I MISSED THAT ONE UH YEAH AUTOMOBILES OF COURSE ARE CONTRIBUTING TOO AND YOU KNOW HOW HOW WE ARE WITH OUR LOVE AFFAIR WITH THE AUTO YEAH KIND OF HARD TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT I GUESS YEAH I KNOW UH IN THE TWIN CITIES AREA I JUST MOVED OUT OF THERE AND WAS KIND OF HAPPY I TIMED IT JUST RIGHT BUT THEY HAD A NEW POLICY WHERE IN ORDER TO GET YOUR UH YOUR LICENSE UH YOUR CAR LICENSE UH RENEWED YOU HAD TO MEET THE POLLUTION STANDARDS AND UH WE HAVE THAT HERE TOO BUT IT'S PART OF THE INSPECTION STICKER YOU KNOW THEY PUT A PROBE IN YOUR EXHAUST PIPE AND AND THE COMPUTER READS WHATEVER THE IONIZATION IS COMING OUT AND YEAH SO THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE DEALING WITH IT HERE YEAH UH YEAH I GUESS THAT WAS JUST MAINLY IN THE CITIES THERE AND AS FAR AS WHERE I LIVE I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BUT YEAH YEAH I HAVE AN OLD CAR WHICH I DOUBT WOULD UH WOULD UH PASS THE INSPECTION A SEVENTY SIX AND UH YOU KNOW THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD PUT IN A LOT OF MONEY TO TO REPAIR IT TO MEET STANDARDS IT'D PROBABLY BE DIFFICULT ANYWAY YEAH SO ALTHOUGH I DO WHAT I CAN TO TO CUT DOWN POLLUTION BUT UH I WAS JUST READING AN ARTICLE IN UH MOTHER EARTH NNEWS MOTHER EARTH NEWS MAGAZINE YEAH AND UH THEY'VE GOT A NEW UH YOU KNOW A LOT OF PLACES ARE BURNING WOOD YEAH UH-HUH A LOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BURNING WOOD THOSE OF US WHO HAVE I'VE GOT A PLACE IN THE COUNTRY YOU KNOW AND UH THEY'VE HAD CATALYTIC YOU KNOW CATALYTIC CONVERTERS ON THOSE ON UH I THINK THEY'RE REQUIRED IN CALIFORNIA AND OREGON AND AND WASHINGTON BUT THEY'VE HAD UP THOSE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND SOMEBODY'S COME UP WITH A NEW ONE THAT UH SORT OF IT'S A IT'S A CATALYTIC CONVERTER IT'S IT'S A PLATE THAT FITS IN YOU KNOW INTO THE SMOKE PIPE YEAH YEAH AND UH APPARENTLY IT SORT OF FEEDS ITSELF THE MORE SMOKE IS PRODUCED YOU KNOW AFTER YOU GET TO LIKE FIVE HUNDRED DEGREES THE HIGHER IT GETS THE MORE COMPLETE THE COMBUSTION IS AND IT SOUNDS REAL NEAT I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM PRICED ANYWHERE YET BUT THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM EVEN ON YOU KNOW OLD OLD UH OLDER STOVES THAT DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF E P A REQUIREMENTS ON THEM THAT MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT ESPECIALLY IN SOME PLACES WE'RE REALLY LUCKY HERE WE HAVE A PREVAILING SOUTHERLY WIND THAT BLOWS JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING OUT YEAH YEAH NOW SOMETIMES WE GET A KIND OF A ESPECIALLY IN IN UH AUTUHN IT SEEM LIKE WE GET KIND OF A BROWN HAZE SITTING ON US BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S BLOWING OUT PRETTY WELL PROBABLY BLOWING UP THERE TO YOU GUYS +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH WELL WELL AROUND HERE I WE GET UH WELL IT DEPENDS YOU KNOW EITHER IN THE IN THE WINTER TIME IT IT BLOWS IT YOUR WAY AND IN THE SUHMER TIME +NOISE+ WE PROBABLY GET YOURS YEAH YEAH WELL IT UH THAT'S A BIG THING TOO I KNOW IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AIR POLLUTION BUT I KIND OF LOOK AT THE WAY PEOPLE TREAT OUR IT COMES BACK +NOISE+ YEAH I REALLY THINK UH YOU KNOW WE'RE DOING SOME SOME IMPORTANT THINGS EDUCATION RAISING CONSCIOUSNESS AWARENESS UH I KNOW SCHOOL KIDS I WORK FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE AND UH YOU KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WITH KIDS KIDS ARE WRITING LETTERS TO THE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT YOU KNOW TELLING ADULTS TO CLEAN UP THEIR ACT AND IT'S UH YOU KNOW I HOPE WE'RE NOT TOO LATE WITH IT WE'RE WE'RE UH WE'RE HAVING ALL KINDS OF RECYCLING UP UP THERE MAYBE MAYBE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE AS UH BIG A PROBLEM WITH AIR POLLUTION AS MANY DO YOU WE WE WE HAVE A TERRIBLE AIR POLLUTION PROBLEM DO YOU REALLY UH-HUH OUR SUHMERS ARE EXTREMELY UH HAZARDOUS AND DURING UH CERTAIN WIND DIRECTIONS BECAUSE WE GET THE UH GARY INDIANA UH-HUH CHICAGO POLLUTION UH-HUH AND WE CAN LOOK OUT ON THE LAKE AND JUST SEE THE BROWN HAZE UH THAT'S HORRIBLE COMING UP ALONG THE LAKE UH-HUH UH-HUH AND THEY DO POST UH UH WARNINGS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE UH HEART DISEASES OR RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS DURING THAT SUHMER SEASON IN THE WINTER IT'S NOT AS SEVERE RIGHT BUT UH IF THE WIND COMES BASICALLY FROM THE SOUTH IT CAN BE REALLY BAD UH-HUH UH THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AS A MATTER OF FACT UH STARTED SOME LITIGATION AGAINST ILLINOIS BECAUSE OF THE AIR POLLUTION WE WERE GETTING UH-HUH UH I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO VERY FAR BUT IT IT WAS UH A WAY OF UH TRIGGERING UH AWARENESS RIGHT RIGHT SO WHAT'S THE CONDITIONS LIKE IN DALLAS UH WELL UH IN DALLAS I I HAVEN'T SEEN AIR POLLUTION QUITE ON A QUITE ON A LEVEL THAT WE HAD IN DENVER I GREW UP IN DENVER AND AND I'VE LIVED THERE MOST OF MY LIFE AND WE USED TO HAVE THOSE UH YOU KNOW THE POSTED WARNING DAYS UH HOWEVER IN COLORADO NOW THEY HAVE THE EMISSIONS CONTROL LAW WHICH HAS REALLY CUT DOWN PROBABLY ONLY ONCE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS DO WE EVER HAVE POLLUTION SO BAD THAT THEY HAVE TO POST WARNINGS NOW YOU KNOW AS FAR AS HEALTH CONCERNS UH DUE TO THAT THE THE EMISSIONS UH +NOISE+ UH CONTROL ON THE VEHICLES SEEMS THAT ALL OF OUR ALL OF OUR UH SMOG WAS CAUSED BY VEHICLES RATHER THAN INDUSTRY WISCONSIN HAS A A LAW IN WHICH WE NEED TO TAKE OUR CARS IN EVERY YEAR WHEN WE APPLY FOR A NEW LICENSE TAG UH-HUH AND THEY ARE TESTED FOR UH THEIR POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT AND IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT TO A MECHANIC AND HAVE IT GONE OVER AND THEN VERIFY THAT IT IT IS DRIVABLE UH UH-HUH SO THEY'VE THEY'VE TRIED TO DO A LOT OF THAT AND I YOU KNOW THERE SEEM TO BE AT LEAST IN CERTAIN LITTLE POCKETS AND WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT MADISON UH-HUH MADISON HAS ONE OF THE NICEST UH BIKE UH ROAD UH SHARING PROGRAMS OF OF ANY CITY IN WISCONSIN OH REALLY AND ALL WISCONSIN HAS PROBABLY THE MOST EXTENSIVE NUHBER OF UH BIKE TRAILS FOR RECREATIONAL USE UH-HUH UH-HUH OF ANY OF THE STATES AND THERE IS A A REAL PROMOTION OF OF BIKING UH-HUH BUT UH THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO INSIST ON ON DRIVING THEIR OWN AUTOMOBILES RIGHT UH-HUH UH TO GO EVERYWHERE I FIND THAT A LITTLE IRRITATING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S ALWAYS SO NECESSARY YEAH YEAH IT IT BECOMES UH MAYBE TO YOU AND I WHO HAVE GROWN UP IN SOME IN UH UH SOME MORE BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY UH I THINK THAT THAT UH WE BECOME A LITTLE MORE AWARE UH RATHER QUICKLY OF OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH AIR POLLUTION AND HOW UH HOW HORRIBLE IT REALLY IS UH I I NOTICE PEOPLE IN IN DALLAS SEEM TO SAY WELL SURE THERE'S AIR POLLUTION BUT YOU KNOW REALLY HOW BAD IS HOW BAD COULD THIS PROBLEM REALLY BE +NOISE+ OH REALLY +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT SEND SEND THEM TO WISCONSIN AND WE'LL LET THEM TRY TO DRINK OUT OF SOME OF THE LAKES AND TRY TO FISH IN SOME OF THE LAKES THAT HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FROM UH THE UH ACID RAIN AND THEY'LL THEY'LL THEY MAY WAKE UP YOU KNOW HOW'D YOU LIKE TO OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE YOUR LAKE IS GOING SOUR BECAUSE OF ACID RAIN RIGHT IT'S UH REALLY A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR THOSE OF US UP IN THIS UH SECTOR UP UP HERE DO YOU FIND THAT UH OR OR DO YOU HYPOTHESIZE THAT THAT MOST OF THE UH SMOG OR OR AIR POLLUTION COMES FROM VEHICLES OR DOES IT COME MOSTLY FROM INDUSTRY UP THERE YEAH I THINK IT'S MOSTLY VEHICLES ALTHOUGH +NOISE+ IT DOES COME FROM SOME OF THE INDUSTRY OF OF THE GARY AREA UH-HUH UH-HUH AND UH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT EMERGES FROM WHEN IT IT'S UP IN THE UH NORTHERN SECTORS OF WISCONSIN THAT CAUSES THE ACID RAIN THAT I'M A LITTLE UNCERTAIN OF BUT UH-HUH UH-HUH I HAD TALKED WITH MY PARENTS I I GREW UP UH I WAS BORN IN UH MUNCIE INDIANA AND AND GREW UP A LITTLE BIT IN TERRE HAUTE AND I HAD ASKED THEM BEFORE UH I WENT BACK TO VISIT RECENTLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND I ASKED THEM I SAID DID YOU EVER REALIZE THE AIR POLLUTION THAT WAS I DO KNOW THAT UH IT IS A PROBLEM OKAY +NOISE+ +NOISE+ FIRST OFF SPEAKING OF AIR POLLUTION I'M COUGHING GAR UH I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONTRIBUTES TO AIR POLLUTION EXACTLY I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THE HAIR SPRAYS AND THINGS THAT WE USE YES +NOISE+ +NOISE+ CAUSE THE AIR POLLUTION YEAH IT IT YEAH IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE BUT I GUESS WHEN YOU THINK OF IT EVERYBODY HAS SOME SORT OF AEROSOL IN THEIR HOME YOU KNOW AND IT'S KIND OF DANGEROUS YEAH THAT'S TRUE UH-HUH UH-HUH UH I DON'T KNOW WE LIVE UH WELL I'M CLOSE TO SALT LAKE AND THERE'S MOUNTAINS UH YOU KNOW ALL AROUND BUT SOMETIMES I THINK TEND TO HOLD A LITTLE BIT OF IT IN YOU KNOW OH YEAH REALLY IT'S IT'S FAIRLY CLEAN UH I THINK IT'S A FAIRLY CLEAN CITY COMPARED TO SOME BUT YOU KNOW HOW QUITE A BUT YOU THINK THE MOUNTAINS AND THE ARE KIND OF A BARRIER OH GAR YEAH I THINK SOMETIMES IT SEEMS TO BE BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT UH-HUH BUT UH ANYWAY I DON'T KNOW I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PLANTS HERE WHEN I DRIVE DOWN YOU KNOW ALONG THE JUST ALONG THE FREEWAY THERE'S A LOT OF PLANTS THAT THEY'RE BURNING THINGS AND OH UH-HUH HERE IN TEXAS I KNOW A LOT OF THE PRETTY MUCH EVERY PLACE HERE IS RELATIVELY FLAT AND SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY CONTRIBUTE TO US NOT HAVING THAT BIG OF A LIKE A SMOG PROBLEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT UH YEAH WE WE HAVE A REAL FOG PROBLEM UH THE LAST FEW YEARS JUST IN THROUGH DECEMBER AND JANUARY IT IT REALLY IS FOGGY AND AND SEEMS TO JUST UH IT'S KIND OF LIKE IT IT JUST STAYS FOR A MONTH UH-HUH QUITE FOGGY BUT UH GEE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I KNOW CARS +NOISE+ I I YEAH I GUESS I'VE NEVER REALLY UH THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT LIKE IN CALIFORNIA THEY THEY HAVE A LOT OF SMOG PROBLEMS UH-HUH YEAH UH-HUH AND IT'S REAL HILLY THERE SO THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT PLAYS A +NOISE+ BIG FACTOR +NOISE+ I THINK PROBABLY JUST UH A LOT OF FACTORIES UH YOU KNOW THEY HAVE THE SMOKE STACKS I GUESS YOU CALL THEM GAR AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I SEE BURNING A LOT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEY'RE BURNING I KNOW UH-HUH THERE ARE SOME OIL COMPANIES AND I'M SURE THAT THAT CONTRIBUTES A LOT +NOISE+ UH-HUH JUST THE BURNING OF THE AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO BE COMING OUT WITH SOME SORT OF UH SPECIAL GAS OR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EMIT CERTAIN CHEMICALS OR SOMETHING OH I DON'T KNOW I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT UH I KNOW UH I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR EMISSIONS TEST IS ON YOUR CARS OR ANYTHING BUT I KNOW I THINK THEY THEY DIFFER FROM STATE TO STATE OH OKAY BUT UH YOU KNOW THAT'S BEEN A NEW THING IN THE LAST UH-HUH FEW YEARS AND I GUESS SOME CARS ARE A LOT WORSE THAN OTHERS I THINK THOSE UH WHAT ARE THEY THE I KNOW A RABBIT'S ONE DIESEL UH-HUH THE DIESEL THE DIESEL CARS OH YEAH YEAH THEY SEEM TO PUT OUT QUITE A BIT +NOISE+ HUH I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH DIESELS +NOISE+ GAR TRUCK YOU KNOW OH BUT UH WELL DO YOU UH ARE YOU WORKING FOR T_I OH OKAY OH NO I DON'T I I WORK IN WACO AT A T_V STATION MY MOTHER WORKS AT T_I THAT'S WHY OH UH-HUH AND THAT'S HOW YOU GOT INVOLVED YEAH YEAH YEAH YOU WORK AT T_I OH OKAY OKAY NO WE WE HAVE UH MY HUSBAND'S SISTER LIVES IN DALLAS ACTUALLY AND THEY KIND OF GOT IT US INVOLVED THAT WAY OH OKAY YEAH BUT WELL I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT'S INTERESTING +NOISE+ WHAT ELSE CAUSES AIR POLLUTION UH NOISE YEAH NOISE NOISE CAUSES AIR POLLUTION GAR +NOISE+ I'VE GOT SPEAKING OF NOISE YOU CAN PROBABLY HEAR MY LITTLE YEAH THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT OF IT OH YEAH YEAH HE IS QUITE NOISY YES GEE I DON'T KNOW I KNOW THAT UH DON'T DUHPS +NOISE+ YOU KNOW WHERE YOU DUHP ALL YOUR TRASH IN THE UH LANDFILLS WE JUST YEAH I'M SURE THAT DOES I KNOW THEY'RE ALWAYS CHURNING THAT UP AND I I THINK THEY BURN A LOT THERE TOO OH YEAH WE JUST HAD A BIG UH THING HERE IN WACO THEY'RE NEEDING TO OPEN A NEW LANDFILL OR TO EXPAND ONTO THE OLD LANDFILL AND UH IT'S IT'S REALLY BEEN A BIG FIGHT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BY THE LANDFILL DON'T WANT IT EXPANDED BECAUSE THEY'RE THINKING THAT THEY'RE WATER IS GOING TO BE CONTAMINATED SOMEHOW AND SO THEY YEAH UH-HUH OH YEAH WELL I DON'T THINK I'D I'D LIKE THAT YOU KNOW WE UH WHEN WE'VE TAKEN THINGS TO THE DUHP JUST THE DUHP UH THAT IS UH YOU KNOW CLOSEST TO US THERE'S SOME HOUSES AROUND THERE AND I KNOW THAT ON WINDY DAYS YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALWAYS MOVING THE THE TRASH OVER TO DIFFERENT SPOTS AND THEY'VE GOT THOSE BIG BULLDOZERS AND YOU CAN SEE THE DUST FLYING AND AND I'M SURE THAT THEIR HOMES ARE REALLY QUITE UH-HUH ONE DUSTY AND ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IS THEY HAVE A THERE'S A SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM THE LANDFILL OH IS THERE YEAH SO THE PARENTS WERE REALLY REALLY UPSET YEAH THEY THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING OVER IT FOR THE LAST YEAR AND THEY JUST NOW APPROVED IT SO THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AN APPEAL OR SOMETHING WORRIED ABOUT THEIR THEIR KIDS GETTING HUH I GUESS WE'RE READY TO TALK HOW YOU DOING HOWARD THIS IS A A SUBJECT THAT I'M NOT REAL WELL VERSED ON BUT OKAY NO WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT AIR POLLUTION WHAT DO YOU THINK CAUSES AIR POLLUTION IN DALLAS OR WHERE ARE YOU FROM MAYBE YOU'RE NOT IN DALLAS OKAY I'M FROM THE UH I'M FROM DALLAS I'M IN RICHARDSON OKAY UH WHAT DO YOU THINK AS FAR AS AIR POLLUTION IN THE DALLAS AREA WELL I HAVE SOME SMALL EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA THE BROWN HAZE THAT YOU SEE IF YOU LOOK DOWN CENTRAL TOWARDS DOWNTOWN RIGHT +NOISE+ A LOT OF THAT IS UH TIED UP WITH THE OXIDES OR NITROGEN ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE KIND OF BLUISH GRAY STUFF WE SEE SOMETIMES IS TIED UP WITH PARTICULATES BUT UH THE ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT DALLAS HAS IS OXIDES AND NITROGEN THAT'S BECAUSE OF ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING OPERATED BUT AT THE SAME TIME UH BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T BURN A LOT OF COAL AND SOLID MATERIALS WE DON'T GET A LOT OF PARTICULATES NOW PARTICULATES WOULD COME FROM TRASH BURNING OR INCINERATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE IN DALLAS UH POWER PLANTS SINCE RIGHT +NOISE+ OH REALLY SURE MANY OF OUR LOCAL POWER PLANTS UH ARE NATURAL GAS MOST OF THE TIME UH THE THINGS THAT COME OFF OF THOSE PLANTS ARE CARBON DIOXIDE AND N O X THERE'S NO PARTICULATES IN NATURAL GAS OF COURSE AND WE PICK UP A LITTLE BIT OF SULPHUR OFF SOME OF THESE PRODUCTS WE'RE BURNING FUEL OIL AND A FEW OTHER THINGS BUT GASOLINE OF COURSE NOW THE LEAD'S OUT AT LEAST THEORETICALLY UH I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WE'RE PICKING UP SOME SULPHUR BECAUSE A LOT OF THE FUELS DOES HAVE SULPHUR THAT'S WHY WE GET THAT ROTTEN EGG SMELL SOMETIME OFF THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THE SULPHUR YES AND THAT'S UH COURSE HYDROGEN SULFIDE WHICH IS WHEN YOU BURN GASOLINE YOU ALSO PRODUCE SOME WATER VAPOR AND THAT GOES BACK IN WITH YOUR SULPHUR AND UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITION YOU GET H TWO S BUT ANYWAY UH WELL YOU ARE YOU ARE WELL VERSED ON THE SUBJECT I TELL YOU WELL I DON'T KNOW THIS IS NOT ONE OF MY BETTER ONES I GUESS +NOISE+ I GUESS I NOTICE IT THE MOST JUST UH IN DRIVING AROUND DALLAS WITH ALL THE +NOISE+ THE HIGHWAY EQUIPMENT THAT'S WORKING ON THE ON SIX THIRTY FIVE AND SEVENTY FIVE JUST THE CARS IN GENERAL THAT'S WHERE I SEE MOST OF IT UH-HUH UH RON A LOT OF THIS IS CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT CARS SITTING IN TRAFFIC TEND TO RUN RICH BECAUSE THE WAY THE POLLUTION IS RIGHT AND WHEN THEY RUN RICH THEY THEY SPIT OUT A LOT OF HYDROCARBONS AND THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE PROBLEM THE GAS IS NOT BEING BURNED COMPLETELY BUT UH HOPEFULLY IF WE EVER GET OUR ROAD SYSTEM FIXED UP THIS WILL GET A LOT BETTER +NOISE+ OH I DON'T KNOW I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE SEVENTY FOUR HOWARD AND I I THINK I THINK THEY BEEN WORKING ON THE HIGHWAYS AROUND HERE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I THINK I THINK THEY'LL BE WORKING ON THEM LONG AFTER MY WIFE AND I ARE GONE WELL I GUESS I NOT TRYING TO TOP YOU BUT I GREW UP IN DALLAS COUNTY AND I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THEY BUILT THE NORTH PART OF NORTH CENTRAL WHICH WAS BUILT AFTER THE SOUTH PART OF CENTRAL AND UH I CAN REMEMBER COMING OVER THE HILL DOWN THERE LONG ABOUT UH I DON'T KNOW LITTLE BIT NORTH OF MOCKINGBIRD ON UP IN OVER THOSE HILLS AND I SAID I WONDER IF THEY'LL EVER NEED THIS ROAD RIGHT +NOISE+ +NOISE+ COURSE IT WAS DESIGNED FOR MOST OF US TO GO ABOUT FORTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE THE SHORT ON RAMPS AND ARE OFF RAMPS BUT GOSH SEEMS LIKE UH THOSE RAMPS MIGHT KILL US YET I HOPEFULLY THE NEW ONES WILL BE A LOT BETTER YEAH RON HAVE YOU NOTICED WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH ON THIRTY FIVE I GUESS TOWARDS WAXAHACHIE HILLSBOROUGH ON DOWN TO AUSTIN I UNDERSTAND I SURE HOPE SO I TELL YOU YOU KNOW YOU GET OUT ON THE UH INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS VERSUS I TRAVEL QUITE A BIT AND TRAVELING FROM LIKE DALLAS TO AUSTIN TO SAN ANTONIO IT'S THE SAME THING AS FAR AS THE POLLUTION CREATED BY THE AUTOMOBILES IN THE IN THE STALLED TRAFFIC AND THE BUSY HIGHWAYS YOU YOU YOU'RE AT YOUR BEST AND I GUESS WHEN YOU'RE OUT ON THE INTERSTATE +NOISE+ HEADING NORTH OR SOUTH AND YOU'RE JUST CRUISING RIGHT ALONG AND THERE'S NO BUILD UP OF CARS AND +NOISE+ YES YOU HIT A POINT DOWN THERE ABOUT I THINK WHERE THEY CALL BEAR CREEK EXIT ON JUST THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTY LINE +NOISE+ RIGHT ALONG IN THERE SOMEWHERE SUDDENLY THE AIR FEELS CLEANER HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT I TELL YOU WHAT I I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAVE BUT I'M GOING THAT WAY TUESDAY AND I'M GOING TO MAKE IT A POINT TO SURE OH I KNOW I KNOW GOING TO UH UH I DETEST GOING TO HOUSTON BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A WELL SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY THE WINDS BLOWING BUT UH I ALSO TRAVEL A LITTLE BIT AND UH I DON'T KNOW IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT DOWN THERE WHERE YOU CAN BREATHE EASIER IT MAY BE ALL IN MY MIND +NOISE+ WELL I GUESS WE'RE UH FORCED TO FINALLY TO DO A LOT ABOUT AIR POLLUTION I HEAR THAT THE MAJOR AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURERS ARE LOOKING AT NONPOLLUTING CARS AND LOW POLLUTING FUELS ARE BEING EXPERIMENTED WITH ETHANOL AND OTHER TYPES OF FUELS I YOU KNOW I ASSUHE THAT THE MAJOR SOURCES ARE CARS AND FACTORIES BUT I YEAH ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASKED ME TO ASK YOU WAS WHERE YOU THOUGHT THE MAJOR SOURCE WAS COMING FROM OR SOURCES THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE I JUST KNOW THAT UH ACID RAIN APPARENTLY IS A BIG PROBLEM IN CANADA FROM WOULD COMES OVER THE BORDER FROM US YEAH RIGHT YEAH I THINK THE AUTOMOBILE DEFINITELY IS AN AREA AND ANY ANY INDUSTRY THAT BURNS YOU KNOW AND THEN I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CHEMICAL POLLUTION I'M NOT REAL INTO THAT AS FAR AS HOW IT AFFECTS THE AIR I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF CHEMICAL THE INDOOR TYPE POLLUTION THEY HAVE OFFICES THAT ARE TOO WELL INSULATED THEY FOUND PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT AFFECTS OUTSIDE YOU KNOW I I THINK SEEMS TO THINK SEEMS TO ME THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT WAS OUTSIDE AND THE THING I CAN THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE CARS AND FACTORIES YEAH RIGHT YEAH THE SMOKESTACKS OR THE EXHAUST PIPES UH I GUESS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PRESSURE TO UH DO AWAY WITH THE C F C'S IN THESE SPRAY BOTTLES WHICH HAS BEEN A REAL PROBLEM AGAIN I THAT'S WHAT I HEAR AND AND THERE'S THIS BIG DEBATE APPARENTLY ABOUT WHETHER THE OZONE THERE'S A HOLE IN THE OZONE OR NOT BUT AT LAST I HEARD IT WAS UH DISCOVERED THAT THE HOLE WAS BIGGER THAN THEY THOUGHT INITIALLY YEAH THAT IS WELL THAT'S DESTROYING THE OZONE ISN'T IT YEAH THAT'S IT'S KIND OF SCARY YEAH WELL IT IS SCARY AND I THINK IT WILL UH CONTINUE TO FORCE US TO CLEAN UP OUR ACT LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY WE'VE GOT TO LEARN TO MANAGE WITHOUT DESTROYING THE ENVIRONMENT I THINK SOMETHING TOO THAT YOU PROBABLY SEE IN OLDER STATES ALL WE WE DO IT DOWN HERE ONCE IN A WHILE WE WILL HAVE A COLD SPELL IS WHERE PEOPLE WILL USE THEIR FIREPLACES I THINK IT WILL I I I'M WONDERING WHETHER IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN LOS ANGELES THEY'RE APPARENTLY GOING TO THEY'VE PASSED LAWS THAT FOR HABIT FOR EXAMPLE PEOPLE USING UH BARBECUES UH-HUH RIGHT RIGHT GASOLINE LAWN MOWERS UH AND IT'S REALLY BAD IN PLACES LIKE LOS ANGELES AND IT'S GOTTEN BAD IN DENVER AND AND UH IT'S NOT TOO BAD AROUND HERE ALTHOUGH YOU SEE IT YOU KNOW MORE AND MORE IN THE SKY AND PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE REALLY WEDDED TO THEIR UH CARS AND OUR ECONOMY SEEMS TO AND THIS I THINK IS ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS YEAH YEAH YEAH IN THIS AREA TOO SINCE YOU KNOW IN TEXAS WE'RE SO SPREAD OUT WE HAVE TO DRIVE SO FAR BUT I KNOW IN COLORADO I HAVE WITNESSED THAT WHERE IT JUST UH IT JUST STACKS UP AT THE WHEN THE ROCKIES STARTS BUT WE'RE EVEN GETTING IT HERE WE CAN DRIVE INTO WHEN WE'VE BEEN ON VACATION OR SOMETHING DRIVE INTO FORT WORTH OR DALLAS AND YOU CAN TELL IT IN THE MORNINGS TOO MY HUSBAND LIKES TO GO OUT AND JOG AND THERE'S JUST A BROWN FOG HERE AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY MOUNTAINS THAT ARE HOLDING IT IN BUT THEY ALSO SAID THAT MORE DENSE THE POPULATION AND THE MORE WE CROWD TOGETHER THE WORSE IT GETS WELL THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE I MEAN I I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT WAY BUT IT IT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MOUNTAINS THAT ARE STOPPING IT YEAH NO AND I THINK YEAH AND I THINK THAT THAT MORE AND MORE IT'S BECOMING APPARENT TO PEOPLE THAT THE EARTH WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE PEOPLE ON IT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IT IS A IS AN ORGANISM OF SORTS AND THAT THERE IS A A WHOLE SET OF ORGANIC RELATIONSHIPS THAT IF WE START TO DESTROY ONE PART OF IT IT'S GOING TO TELL US ABOUT IT AND UH WE'RE GOING TO FEEL IT AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REAL INTERESTING AND PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A BIG STRUCTURAL CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY AND UH THEY MAKE UH MAKING MORE AND MORE HIGH RISE BUILDINGS AND UH SO YEAH WE CAN COMMENT AND WE DIDN'T SEE THIS A FEW YEARS AGO IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR HERE RIGHT UH-HUH YEAH YEAH YEAH AND IT'S A SHAME TOO WHEN YOU DO SEE SOMEBODY DRIVING A BIG CAR JUST ONE PERSON IN THAT IT'S A LOT OF WASTE BUT UH IN THIS COUNTRY UH WHETHER PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND IN THIS COUNTRY UH THE THE SOLUTION THAT THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK WORK ARE POLITICALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR EXAMPLE TAXING PEOPLE HEAVILY FOR USING THEIR CARS AND UH I HAVE A LITTLE SPORTS CAR THAT I ENJOY USING AND I KNOW JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE HOW MUCH FUN IT IS TO DRIVE BUT I THINK UH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES AND AND I'M I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE OR WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE BECAUSE THEY KEEP SAYING THAT THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW MANY CARS AND HOUSES WE SELL UH-HUH OKAY I PUSHED IT OKAY WELL UH I WORRY ABOUT INCINERATION YOU KNOW I WORRY THAT WE'RE DOING WAY TOO MUCH OF THAT ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE TROUBLE IS WOOD SMOKE HOW WHETHER THAT'S A VERY SERIOUS ONE OR NOT +NOISE+ UH SO WHAT DO YOU THINK UH WE CAN DO TO UH PREVENT AIR POLLUTION YOU KNOW UH YEAH WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING TO MY BROTHER IN DENVER AND HE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON WHEN THEY CAN BURN THEIR FIREPLACE YEAH I COULDN'T WELL THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD IT KILLS ME +NOISE+ BECAUSE I LOVE FIRES +NOISE+ AND I AND I REALLY REALLY CARE ABOUT POLLUTION AND I DON'T USE ANYTHING THAT'S GOT THE THE THE THE STUFF IN IT YOU KNOW THE SPRAY BOTTLES AND I UH TRY TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS VERY DIFFICULT IS IS THE WOOD FIRES BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY WERE NATURAL UH-HUH +NOISE+ YEAH I CAN'T YEAH I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW COULD THEY COULD RESTRICT UH YOU KNOW LIKE A FIREPLACE BECAUSE A LOT OF PLACES THAT'S ALL ALL THE HEAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR HOME IT'S A THAT'S A NATURAL PROCESS AND UNLIKE UNLIKE YOU KNOW ALL OF THE REST OF IT BUT THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE YEAH YOU KNOW BUT UH I YOU KNOW I I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU CAN YOU BEGINNING WELL YOU'RE BEGINNING TO SEE THE AIR WELL I KNOW YEAH ISN'T THAT TERRIBLE AND AND THAT'S FRIGHTENING AND I KNOW IN CALIFORNIA UH A WHOLE LOT IS BEING DONE I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT'S WORKING AND IF ALL THOSE THINGS ALL THOSE LAWS WENT THROUGH ABOUT ABOUT THE FOR THE CAR MANUFACTURERS AND EVERYTHING HAS THAT DO YOU KNOW WELL I DON'T KNOW ALL I KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR CAR OUR CAR SMOGGED EVERY YEAH TWO YEARS YOU KNOW UH-HUH BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS TRY TO GET THE TRY TO GET THE +NOISE+ CAR MANUFACTURERS TO MAKE CARS THAT YOU KNOW USE GASOLINE UH BETTER AND MORE CLEANLY OR USE CLEANER FUEL AND UH UH-HUH +NOISE+ WELL YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT YOU KNOW I THINK THEY CAN DO THAT +NOISE+ I THINK THEY COULD TOO YOU KNOW THEY JUST THEY DON'T WANT TO THEY WANT TO USE UH YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BURN ALL THIS GAS SO WE CAN BUY MORE GAS +NOISE+ YOU KNOW UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH YES I THINK THAT'S RIGHT I THINK THAT'S RIGHT BUT IT'S SCARY WHAT IT'S DOING TO TO STONE BUILDINGS YOU KNOW THE +NOISE+ THE ACID RAIN I MEAN DESTROYING THINGS TREES ARE DYING A LOT OF FORESTS ARE ARE DYING OF GAR ARE IN CANADA AND UH AND UH I DON'T KNOW ABOUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IN CALIFORNIA WELL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EITHER BUT UH I KNOW I TOOK A RIDE DOWN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA JUST RECENTLY AND IT WAS JUST AMAZING TO LOOK YOU KNOW LIKE BEING UP HIGHER AND LOOKING DOWN AND SEEING ALL THIS CRUD YOU KNOW UH-HUH UH-HUH IT'S OH IT'S TERRIBLE UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH YEAH WELL I I HAD NOT EXPERIENCED IT AS MUCH MY SON WENT TO POMONA AND HE WENT THE SCHOOL STARTS IN THE FALL AND THAT IS THE NOTORIOUS SMOG SEASON SO WHEN HE FIRST WENT OUT THERE YOU KNOW A LONG TIME AGO FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO BUT ANYWAY HE CALLED AND JUST SAID MOTHER +NOISE+ NOW I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN THIS STUFF YOU REALLY FEEL YOU CAN'T BREATHE YEAH IT DOES IT BURNS YOUR EYES AND EVERYTHING BUT UH-HUH A LOT OF THESE TRUCKS THAT'S ON THE ROAD NOW TO I THINK THEY COULD DO SOMETHING TO THOSE BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE TRUCKS JUST SMOKE LIKE HECK YOU KNOW YEAH YEAH YEAH BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE NO ONE EVER DOES ANYTHING ABOUT THAT NO I KNOW AND AND AS FAR AS WHAT I YOU KNOW I DO THINK ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE BUT AS FAR AS THE AIR IS CONCERNED I AM TRYING TO BUY A NEW CAR BUT THERE ARE NO CARS AVAILABLE WITH CLEAN FUEL SO I CAN'T DO THAT UH I UH-HUH NO THE ELECTRIC CARS I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA YEAH YEAH I WOULD REALLY GO FOR THAT YEAH I WOULD TOO BUT THAT IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE AND IT'S NOT OUT THERE YEAH RIGHT RIGHT AND THEN I HAVE STOPPED USING ANYTHING BUT PUHP SPRAYS SO THAT I'M TRYING TO GET I'M TRYING NOT TO USE THAT WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED SOME KIND OF ANYWAY THAT THAT'S HURTING THE OZONE HUH UH LEVEL I'M TRYING NOT TO DO THAT UH-HUH UH-HUH THE BAD THING I DO IS WOOD FIRES +NOISE+ OH NO NO I DON'T EITHER YES YEAH YEAH BUT YEAH WELL UH WE HAVE A FIREPLACE HERE TO I DON'T BURN IT EVERY NIGHT USUALLY I JUST HAVE MINE ON THE WEEKENDS OR WHEN I HAVE COMPANY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE HOUSE ALL DAY YOU KNOW AND IT'S JUST NICE TO SIT IN THE LIVING ROOM WITH A FIREPLACE GOING BUT UH OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T USE MINE YEAH RIGHT RIGHT NO AND I I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AIR POLLUTION IS SOMETHING INDIVIDUALS CAN WORK ON AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ON SOME OF THE OTHER ONES UH LIKE RECYCLING OR EVEN WATER YOU KNOW WATER USE OR SAVING WATER AND THAT'S WHAT SCARY TO ME YEAH I KNOW I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE THESE LARGE COMPANIES AND UH-HUH LARGE COMPANIES THAT'S RIGHT INDUSTRY AND THE CAR MANUFACTURERS RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT SO AND UH THAT WE HAVE LESS CONTROL I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHO WE VOTE FOR AND HOW WE WRITE YOU KNOW WRITE LETTERS TO THEM YEAH I MIGHT AS WELL UH ONE OF THE THINGS I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AIR POLLUTION IS THE UH THIS THIS THE OZONE LAYER UH UH ISSUE UH I USED TO OWN A HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING BUSINESS AND HANDLED LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF FREONS OKAY YOU WANT TO START AND THAT UH RATHER BOTHERS ME THAT UH I WAS IN IN EFFECT UH CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELINQUENCY OF THE THE ENVIRONMENT SO TO SPEAK UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S STUFF WE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO RIGHT RIGHT AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY FIXED UP THE FREONS ELEVEN TWELVE AND THIRTEEN IN IN IN THAT AREA WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE INEXPENSIVE UH THEY COULD BE MADE UH YOU KNOW INEXPENSIVE AND LOTS OF IT UH AND IN THAT AND ITS PROPERTIES WERE GREAT UH WITH UH THE MACHINERY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE LOTS OF EXPENSIVE MACHINERY TO UH GET YOUR HEATING AND COOLING CYCLES TO WORK SO WELL COURSE THERE'S A A +NOISE+ TREMENDOUS NUHBER OF REFRIGERATORS AND EXCUSE ME REFRIGERATORS AND FREEZERS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL UH UTILIZING FREON TWELVE AND OF COURSE THE NEW CARS I GUESS STARTING WITH NINETEEN NINETY THREE WILL NOT HAVE FREON TWELVE IN THEIR SYSTEMS BUT UH THERE'S YOU KNOW THE TON OF AFTER MARKET MACHINES AND ET CETERA ET CETERA UH HAVE THEY STOPPED THAT PRACTICE NOW +NOISE+ YEAH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ AND THAT'S GOT ME VERY YOU KNOW HIGHLY CONCERNED THAT UH +NOISE+ THAT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A WHILE BEFORE WE CAN UH UNDO THIS NOW THAT COULD SPAWN SEVERAL GOOD INDUSTRIES AND HELP PULL US OUT OF THIS RECESSION BUT YOU GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE YOU KNOW EARN A SALARY TO PAY FOR THIS CONVERSION SO SO I SEE US IN A KIND SOMEWHAT OF A CATCH TWENTY TWO UNLESS WE UNLESS THE BANKS OR INDUSTRY AND OR THE GOVERNMENT GO TOGETHER AND AND COME UP WITH A WAY TO UH HAVE US AS A PART OF THE UNEMPLOYED SOCIETY BE ABLE TO BE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED AGAIN CONVERTING ALL THIS FREON TWELVE STUFF INTO THE NEW NONPOLLUTING UH COMPOUND OH YEAH UH-HUH BECAUSE AS I SAY THERE'S A THERE'S A WELL HOW MANY UH UH FAMILIES OWN A REFRIGERATOR AND THEN DO YOU KNOW THAT NUHBER AND THEN HOW MANY A A FREEZER SEPARATE FROM AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ESPECIALLY HERE IN TEXAS OWN CARS AND TRUCKS WITH AIR CONDITIONING YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH I MEAN THIS IS THERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THAT MAKE IT HAVE A THRIVING BUSINESS UH THAT DO NOTHING BUT HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING ON ON AUTOMOBILES AND TRUCKS AND UH THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T UH GET INTO THAT MORE WHEN I WAS HAD MY LITTLE BUSINESS WAS BECAUSE UH MOST OF YOUR UH AIR CONDITIONING IN IN ON VEHICLES TEND TO BE GREASY AND DIRTY TO THE N TH DEGREE AND +NOISE+ I MEAN UH-HUH +NOISE+ SO UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THAT'S WHY I STAYED IN STAYED MORE TOWARDS UH UH AND THAT'S A POLLUTING TYPE DEAL TOO IS THE EXCESSIVE UH YOU KNOW UH PETROLEUH PRODUCTS IN YOUR ENGINE BAY AND SO FORTH AND THE DIRT AND GRIT AND THOSE TWO MIXED TOGETHER WITH WITH WATER AND UH +NOISE+ REALLY MAKE UH MAKE A MESS UH YEAH YEAH I HATE TO SEE A CAR GOING DOWN THE STREET OR EVEN A TRUCK OR BUS FOR THAT MATTER THAT'S PUTTING OUT A LOT OF DARK UH-HUH RIGHT SMOKE AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF POLLUTANTS WE CAN'T EVEN SEE COMING OUT OF CARS BUT THAT THAT PARTICULAR BOTHERS ME UH-HUH WELL MOST MOST MOST OF THE TIME WHEN YOU SEE BUS UH YOU KNOW THE BUSSES WITH THE DIESEL THAT'S UH THOSE ARE CARBON PARTICLES AND CARBON DIOXIDE AND WATER VAPOR UH BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHEN DIESEL IS BURNED IT'S IT YOU KNOW DIESEL FUEL IS BURNED IN A IN THE DIESEL ENGINE IT'S BURNED SO COMPLETELY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY UH NITROUS OXIDES UH OR OXIDES OF NITROGEN UH TO UH FORM OH BECAUSE OF BY VIRTUE OF THE VERY COMBUSTION PROCESS OF THE DIESEL ENGINE BECAUSE DIESEL OIL IS UH +NOISE+ IS NOT VERY VOLATILE UH-HUH YEAH YOU KNOW WHERE GASOLINE IF YOU LEAVE A LITTLE PAIL OF GASOLINE OUT BEFORE LONG IT'S GONE DIESEL IS GOING TO BE AROUND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EVAPORATE EASILY AND IT'S GOT WELL YOU KNOW IT'S LATENT HEAT IS HIGH BUT IT'S SLOW BURNING AT AT UH NORMAL PRESSURES THAT'S WHY YOUR DIESEL ENGINES HAVE SUCH HIGH COMPRESSION RATIOS OH I SEE AS THE AS THE AIR IS HEATED YOU KNOW BY VIRTUE OF THE COMPRESSION PROCESS TO LIKE ONE TO NINETEEN OR NINETEEN TO ONE UH-HUH RATIO UH-HUH AND SO IF THE CAR SUCKS IN UH FIFTY DEGREES HOW'S THE QUALITY OF AIR IN PORTLAND VERY GOOD REALLY WELL LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY IT'S +NOISE+ RELATIVELY UH +NOISE+ IT'S VERY GOOD IF YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THE CITY AND +NOISE+ AND IT'S WONDERFUL ON DAYS THAT IT RAINS UH-HUH BUT UH DOWNTOWN THEY HAVE A FEW PROBLEMS UH-HUH QUITE A BIT OF OZONE AND A LOT OF SMOG YEAH OH YEAH I'VE HEARD THAT LOS ANGELES IS HORRIBLE AND DENVER IS I HEAR IT'S REALLY BAD BUT IT'S BUT IT'S SORT OF LOCALIZED +NOISE+ +NOISE+ IT'S NOT LIKE LOS ANGELES WHERE I USE TO LIVE YES ATLANTA ATLANTA IS MODERATELY BAD UH YOU KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH OZONE UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ AND YOU KNOW IT'S GENERALLY UH YOU KNOW IT'S JUST JUST QUITE OFTEN YOU KNOW BE A VERY HAZY SORT OF DAY +NOISE+ YOU KNOW BECAUSE THERE WILL JUST BE THIS POLLUTION HANGING IN THE AIR +NOISE+ UH I THINK A LOT I THINK MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS CAUSE BY AUTOMOBILE EMISSIONS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ IT'S YOU KNOW A VERY MOBILE CITY +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH IT I GUESS THAT'S UH THE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH MOST CITIES EXCEPT EXCEPT PLACES LIKE UH OH MEXICO CITY OR SOME PLACE LIKE THAT WELL I GUESS IT'S A PROBLEM THERE TOO BUT BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE IT'S CAUSED BY POWER PLANTS AND AND STUFF LIKE THAT HEAVY INDUSTRY YEAH I THINK THE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN YOU KNOW RELATIVELY +NOISE+ GOOD ABOUT UH YOU KNOW HAVING REGULATIONS AT LEAST IN THE LAST TWENTY YEARS OR SO ABOUT INDUSTRY POLLUTION BUT IT'S JUST SEEM THAT I THINK I THINK WE REALLY SUFFER BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF AN ORGANIZED MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM ANY SORT OF YOU KNOW LIKE HIGH SPEED RAIL OR EVEN EVEN YOU KNOW DECENT REGULAR PASSENGER RAIL ACROSS THE COUNTRY UH IT SEEMS IT SEEMS LIKE LIKE THERE THERE'S A LOT MORE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR AUTOMOBILE YOU KNOW THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF HIGHWAYS FOR AUTOMOBILES UH YEAH +NOISE+ ALTHOUGH THERE IS ONE THING THAT I UH +NOISE+ I LEARNED IN IN CHEMISTRY MANY YEARS AGO AND THAT'S UH I ARE +NOISE+ ARE YOU A CHEMIST +NOISE+ I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF CHEMISTRY UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH ANYWAY THIS IS +NOISE+ GAR GAR PRINCIPLE AS I REMEMBER AND IT'S BASICALLY UH +NOISE+ UH WHEN YOU HAVE UH A REACTION AND IT IT UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THE REACTION WILL GO UNTIL IT IT KIND OF COMES TO A BALANCE BUT IF YOU TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE PRODUCTS OF THAT REACTION +NOISE+ THEN THE REACTION WILL GO FATHER +NOISE+ AND SO UH THE ILLUSTRATION THAT THE CHEMISTRY TEACHER POINTED OUT WAS THAT HE SAID +NOISE+ HE SAID IN A DESIRABLE AREA PEOPLE WILL MOVE IN UNTIL UNTIL BAD THINGS HAPPEN THAT CAUSE THE +NOISE+ UH DESIREABILITIES TO GO TO UH YOU KNOW TO UH KIND OF BALANCE OUT HE SAYS THAT IF IT'S NOT AIR POLLUTION +NOISE+ IT WILL BE IT WILL BE UH CONGESTION OR PRICE OF LAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT HERE IN THE PORTLAND AREA IS IS A TEMPORARY SITUATION IT'S A VERY DESIRABLE AREA AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED UH-HUH AND UH +NOISE+ THE WONDERFUL AIR THE LACK OF +NOISE+ OF CONGESTION THE LOW LOW COST OF OF UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ PROPERTY UH-HUH UH +NOISE+ IN A FEW YEARS SOMETHING IS GOING TO CAUSE I MEAN THERE'S PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO MOVE IN UNTIL WE EITHER AND UH-HUH +NOISE+ UNTIL IT GETS TO THE AIR JUST CAN'T CAN'T SUPPORT THEM IN THE QUALITY LIFE THEY WANT AND AS MANY PEOPLE MOVE IN AS MOVE OUT UH-HUH UH-HUH AND IT WILL COME TO +NOISE+ A BALANCE AND THEN IF THEY COME ALONG AND ADD NEW FREEWAYS SO LET'S SAY THEY REDUCE TRAFFIC CONGESTION UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH THEN AIR POLLUTION WILL GET BAD +NOISE+ OR SOMETHING ELSE +NOISE+ AND THAT'S HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA THAT'S FOR SURE +NOISE+ UH AS +NOISE+ FAR AS +NOISE+ IN ATLANTA DO THEY HAVE A UH DO THEY HAVE UH REGULATIONS ON ON UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ LIKE INSPECTIONS UH THEY THEY DO HAVE AUTOMOBILE EMISSIONS TESTS BUT UH IT'S +NOISE+ THERE'S SOME SORT OF RULE I DON'T HAVE A CAR SO I DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL SPECIFICS BUT IT'S LIKE YOUR CAR IS IT'S A IF THE MODEL YEAR OF YOUR CAR IS MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS OLD YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT INSPECTED ANY MORE YEAH THE GRANDFATHER YOU KNOW WHICH WHICH IS JUST KIND OF LUDICROUS +NOISE+ YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO YOU KNOW BE THE HARDEST BE THE BIGGEST POLLUTERS YEAH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE IT'S HARDER TO GET PARTS AND +NOISE+ AND UH YEAH THAT'S TRUE +NOISE+ AND SO LET'S SEE WHAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTIONS +NOISE+ UH +NOISE+ MY WIFE THINKS THIS IS UH A SALES CALL SO SHE'S TELLING ME TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH UH SHE THINKS +NOISE+ IT'S FROM UH OUR CABLE COMPANY UH LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE UH +NOISE+ UH LET'S SEE DO YOU LIVE +NOISE+ YOU DON'T LIVE TOO DO YOU LIVE CLOSE TO THE CITY OR FAR AWAY FROM IT I ESSENTIALLY LIVE DOWNTOWN OKAY DOWNTOWN AND I GO TO SCHOOL AT GEORGIA TECH WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH LOCATED IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN +NOISE+ WITHIN A MILE FROM THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN +NOISE+ IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY ANNOUNCED YOU KNOW IN THE SENSE THAT THE WAY THE WAY IT IS IN CALIFORNIA BUT UH +NOISE+ I HAVE HEARD ON THE NEWS YOU KNOW IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT APPARENTLY THERE IS SOME FEDERAL GUIDELINES FOR UH SMOG AND ATLANTA IS LIKE IT DO THEY HAVE SMOG DAYS THERE SO HOW YOU LIKE NEW JERSEY UH IT'S PRETTY GOOD YOU KNOW YOU GET UH CLOSER TO THE UH COAST HERE AND YOU DO GET A GOOD BIT OF UH SMOG AND STUFF ESPECIALLY FROM ALL THE UH FUEL CRACKING TOWERS AND CHEMICAL PLANTS RIGHT I GUESS UH I DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF NEW JERSEY YOU'RE IN BUT I GUESS IT'S UH FAIRLY INDUSTRIAL YEAH IT'S WHEN YOU GET FURTHER EAST TOWARDS NEW YORK CITY IT GETS VERY INDUSTRIAL RIGHT UH-HUH YEAH YEAH RIGHT +NOISE+ BUT I'M I'M ABOUT UH THIRTY MILES WEST OF THERE SO YOU HAVE UH ACTUALLY GREEN TREES AND SUCH THAT YOU DON'T NOTICE THAT THAT OTHER PART OF NEW JERSEY EXISTS ACTUALLY VERY YOU KNOW YOU GO EVEN A FEW MILES OUT AND YOU GOT UH FARMS AND EVERYTHING SO YOU RELATIVELY CLEAR AIR BUT UH RIGHT WELL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED AUTOMOBILES TO BE PROBABLY THE THE PRIME CONTRIBUTOR I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRIBUTORS BUT IT SEEMS THAT AUTOMOBILES WOULD PROBABLY DO MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THAT YEAH OH DEFINITELY IT'S UH YOU KNOW THERE ARE A LARGE NUHBER OF THEM ON THE ROAD THEY'RE ALL YOU KNOW GOING AND A LOT OF THEM ARE IN RELATIVELY POOR REPAIR THAT'S YEAH THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ISSUE IS YOU KNOW A LOT OF STATES DON'T HAVE A UH INSPECTION LAW SO YOU GET YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITHOUT E T R EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEMS ON THEIR CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OH EVEN WHERE YOU DO HAVE THE INSPECTIONS YOU KNOW THE INSPECTION IS ONCE A YEAR YEAH AND IT'S LIKE YEAH DENVER'S DEFINITELY WELL NOT NOT AS HARD AS SOME PLACES OUT WEST BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE UH MAJOR POLLUTION SOURCES AS YOU DO OUT IN DENVER WITH THE INVERSION YEAH THAT'S ONE OF THE WORST AND LOS ANGELES AND REST OF CALIFORNIA WHICH IS JUST TERRIBLE IT SOUNDS UH-HUH YEAH SURE YEAH DENVER'S THAT THAT REAL GOOD THAT REAL GOOD UH EXAMPLE OF SITTING IN A VALLEY KIND OF LIKE MEXICO CITY DOES I GUESS MEXICO CITY IS HISTORICALLY BEEN ONE OF THE WORST IN THE IN THE WORLD FOR THAT BUT I'VE BEEN PRETTY LUCKY I'VE LIVED IN CITIES THAT REALLY HAVEN'T HAD THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM ALTHOUGH UH I'M REALLY KIND OF BASED IN ORLANDO FLORIDA AND THERE YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GETTING WORSE I MEAN IT IT DEFINITELY IT'S NOT AT A LEVEL COMPARABLE TO LOS ANGELES OR DENVER BUT YOU CAN EXACTLY YEAH THERE IT'S ALMOST ALL AUTOMOBILES BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH IN THE WAY OF HEAVY INDUSTRY YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BE CAUSING IT YEAH AND THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH IN TERMS OF OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION DOWN THERE THERE IS BUT IT'S KIND OF IT'S UH-HUH +NOISE+ OKAY SUPPOSEDLY WE'RE RECORDING RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE NEARLY THIRTY MINUTES AGO I WAS READING AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE NEW INFINITY I FORGET WHAT MODEL NUHBER IT WAS BUT ONE OF THE FEATURES THEY WERE TOUTING WAS A FREON FREE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THAT'S INTERESTING I HADN'T SEEN THAT I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT FREON CONTRIBUTING TO THE THE UH HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER AND OTHER VARIOUS POLLUTION BUT UH OTHER THAN UH MAKING THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS TIGHTER I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANY WORK ON UH ALTERNATE COOLANTS YEAH THIS IS THE FIRST I HAD SEEN OF IT TOO UH ACTUALLY I WAS KIND OF I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THAT HAS BECOME AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE AS IT HAS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE KNOW THESE THINGS ARE DESIGNED TO BE CLOSED SYSTEMS UH-HUH EITHER WHETHER THE PROBLEM'S DUE TO LEAKS OR DUE TO FAILURES I WOULD THINK THAT UH IF IT WAS DESIGNED WITH REASONABLE PRUDENCE STUFF WOULDN'T GET LOOSE AND UH I MEAN YOU DON'T WANT IT TO IT'S NOT CHEAP AND THE THING FAILS WHEN IT DOES SO I'M KIND OF SURPRISED IT BECAME AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE AS IT HAS UH +NOISE+ THE UH THE THE TIMES THAT I'VE SEEN ANY SORT OF OF LOSS IS UH AT A TIME WHEN MAYBE I'D HAVE UH THE THE UH FREON CHECKED IN THE AIR CONDITIONER OR MAYBE TOPPED OFF AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THEY'D PRACTICALLY WASTE ALMOST AS MUCH AS UH THEY'D PUT IN THE CAR BUT I'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT UH THE CONTROLS ON THAT ARE TIGHTER UH YEAH UH PEOPLE ARE A LOT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SO WHAT WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE OTHER BIGGIES BEING IN THAT REALM YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS SOMETHING THAT IS A BAD THING UH WELL OBVIOUSLY CARS UH AND TRUCKS CONTRIBUTE QUITE A BIT AND PERSONALLY I'LL UH I CARPOOL UH MOST OF THE TIME WITH SOMEONE I WORK WITH BUT MY SCHEDULE DOESN'T UH DOESN'T MAKE FOR A CONSISTENT CARPOOL +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YEAH I UH I TRADED CARS RECENTLY AND WENT FROM A CAR THAT GOT SEVENTEEN MILES PER GALLON OF WORTH OF ON PREMIUH AND DIDN'T REALLY WASN'T HAPPY WITH PREMIUH WASN'T HIGH ENOUGH TO A CAR THAT GETS ABOUT TWENTY FOUR MILES TO THE GALLON ON UH THE CHEAPEST GARBAGE YOU CAN PUT IT SO I PROBABLY +NOISE+ CONTRIBUTED MY SHARE THERE AND UH KIND OF INTERESTING COURSE UH THERE IS TALK ABOUT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD BAN THE MANUFACTURE OF AN ENGINE THAT REQUIRED LEADED FUEL AT SOME POINT AND UH THIS I BELIEVE HAS I READ HAS PUT THE GENERAL AVIATION UH WORLD GOING NUTS BECAUSE A GENERAL AVIATION ENGINE CAN COST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIRTEEN TO FOURTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS TO OVERHAUL UH-HUH AND IF IT FLIES A HUNDRED HOURS A YEAR THAT'S MODERATELY HIGH SO THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS SPENT PER UNIT OF POLLUTION SAVED UH ARE VERY VERY TINY AS COMPARED TO A CAR WHERE IT'S A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE ENGINE AND IT'S RUNNING FOR A LOT LONGER PER YEAR UH SO IT'S A QUESTION OF UH NOW APPARENTLY UH THE E P A THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND DECIDED THAT THESE THAT THAT GENERAL AVIATION ENGINES WON'T COUNT AND THEY'LL ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO BURN UNLEADED FUELS BUT THERE'S SOME CONCERN OVER IF THIS IS THE ONLY MARKET IS ANYBODY GOING TO WANT TO BOTHER MAKING LEADED FUELS IT'S AN OLD JOKE ABOUT THE UH FINEST CONGRESSMAN MONEY CAN BUY UH THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION UH THE LEADED FUELS HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN OUT OF THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THERE'S ALWAYS TALK ABOUT UH +NOISE+ ABOUT REGULATING THE EMISSIONS THAT A A CAR ENGINE CAN PRODUCE AND TIGHTENING DOWN ON THAT AND OF COURSE THE UH THE LARGE AUTO MAKERS IN THIS COUNTRY SPEND UNTOLD MILLIONS TO LOBBY TO KEEP BUSINESS JUST THE SAME AS USUAL +NOISE+ +NOISE+ SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER ISSUE UH YEAH I'VE ALWAYS VIEWED IT AS UH THE POLLUTION ISSUE AS A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE IF UH SOMEBODY DUHPED THEIR GARBAGE IN FRONT LAWN UH REGULARLY YOU'D HAVE LEGAL RECOURSE BUT IF HE DUHPS INTO THE AIR SURROUNDING YOUR HOUSE YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY AND UH I THINK THEREIN LIES BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S IT'S VIEWED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FROM PHYSICAL POLLUTION THERE'S A BIG ISSUE IN RHODE ISLAND RIGHT NOW UH THERE'S A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO BUILD A COAL FIRED UH ENERGY PLANT VERY CLOSE TO TO DOWNTOWN PROVIDENCE AND THEY ARE PULLING ALL SORTS OF TRICKS TO MANEUVER AROUND VARIOUS CONTROLS AND INSPECTIONS AND REGULATIONS APPARENTLY THE THE +NOISE+ +NOISE+ WELL HERE IN LOGAN UTAH +NOISE+ WE'VE GOT A NICE LITTLE VALLEY HERE AND IT'S LIKE CRYSTAL CLEAR ALL THE TIME EXCEPT FOR DURING THE WINTER WHEN THE INVERSION SETS IN AND THEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF POLLUTION IN THE VALLEY +NOISE+ +NOISE+ GAR +NOISE+ HUH +NOISE+ WELL HERE IN SEATTLE UH IT'S THE AIR'S GETTING MORE AND MORE POLLUTED WE'RE UH WE'RE IN KIND OF A BASIN +NOISE+ AND UH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ SEATTLE IS ON PUGET SOUND WHICH IS A INLAND WATERWAY BETWEEN TWO MOUNTAINS AND UH THERE'S BEEN A LOT A LOT OF GROWTH POPULATION GROWTH AROUND HERE +NOISE+ AND UH +NOISE+ IT'S UH IT'S GETTING WORSE +NOISE+ I THINK YEAH MOST OF IT IS FROM CARS YEAH DEFINITELY HERE IN UTAH UP ALONG THE WASATCH GAR ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE OF THESE ROCKY MOUNTAINS HERE WHERE A LOT OF THE BIG CITIES ARE SALT LAKE AND OGDEN AND PROVO AND LOGAN'S UP IN THE VALLEY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH WE GET A LOT OF POLLUTION AND IT'S LIKE SEVENTY PERCENT OF IT IS FROM CARS AND UH IT ALWAYS REALLY HITS HARD DURING THE WINTER WHEN WE GET THE INVERSION +NOISE+ AND WHEN WE GET UH-HUH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ GET COLD AIR DOWN IN THE VALLEYS AND WARM AIR UP ABOVE AND IT JUST SITS AND SITS AND SITS AND WE'RE STARTING TO HIT POLLUTION LEVELS NOW ON THE WASATCH FRONT WHICH MATCH THAT OF L_A A FEW YEARS AGO OH YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH I LIVE IN THE UNIVERSITY DISTRICT AND UH UH IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE ABOUT THE WORST AIR POLLUTION +NOISE+ I THINK PROBABLY DUE TO UH A LOT OF STUDENTS GOING BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL IT'S NOT IT'S ALMOST SAD BECAUSE WHEN I GREW UP HERE IT WAS JUST ALWAYS THE CRISP AIR UP IN THE MOUNTAIN VALLEYS AND NOW IT'S NOT IN THE MOUNTAIN VALLEYS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ HUH AND THEN WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO INTERSTATE FIVE ALSO THEY'RE GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT THINGS LIKE UH MANDATORY WELL THEY'VE ALREADY PASSED LAWS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR CARS CHECKED FOR POLLUTION IF YOU'RE IN CERTAIN COUNTIES EMISSIONS YEAH THEY'VE ACTUALLY STARTED DOING IT DOWN ALONG THE NOT IN LOGAN UP HERE CAUSE WE'RE DOING A LOT BETTER WE HAVE A LOT POPULATION IS A LOT LIGHTER UP HERE YEAH OH YEAH GAR HAVE THEY STARTED DOING THAT YET +NOISE+ WE HAVE THAT HERE AND UH THEY'RE THEY'RE EXPANDING IT TO UH MORE COUNTIES HERE UH AS THE POPULATION SPREADS OUT +NOISE+ AND I THINK THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE MAKING IT UH +NOISE+ MANDATORY FOR MORE CARS THERE WAS UH SOMETHING IN THE LAW ABOUT IF YOU'RE CAR WAS OVER A CERTAIN AGE LIKE OVER TWENTY YEARS OLD YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GET IT DONE ANYMORE AND I THINK THEY'RE ELIMINATING THAT UH THAT LOOPHOLE YEAH YEAH THEY'RE ELIMINATING THAT OUT HERE THEY'RE ALSO TALKING VERY SERIOUSLY ABOUT THE THING CALLED A DIRT GUN WHERE THEY'RE UH LOOKING AT THE EMISSIONS FROM THE CAR USING BASICALLY A SPECTROMETER AND LOOKING AT THE BASICALLY HOW MUCH OF WHAT IS COMING OUT OF THE EXHAUST KIND OF LIKE A RADAR GUN AND YES OH REALLY YOU MEAN THEY COULD DO THAT REMOTELY YEAH DO IT REMOTELY JUST LOOKING AT THE WHAT THEY DO THEY DO SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS SOMETIMES THEY PUT A SOURCE LIGHT AND THEY LOOK AT THE SOURCE LIGHT AND THEN AS THE CAR GOES BY YOU CAN SEE THE EXHAUST PIPE AND THE SOURCE LIGHT BEHIND IT AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE EMISSIONS ACTUALLY HUH AND NOW WHERE DOES THE SOURCE LIGHT GO OH I SEE LIKE ACROSS THE STREET THEY'LL SET UP LIKE A TRAP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN SOME SENSE AND THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT UH OTHER YOU KNOW WAYS OF MONITORING THIS AND CAUSE THEY'VE FOUND OUT SOMETHING BASICALLY THAT UH AND A POORLY TUNED CAR CAN EMIT SOMETHING IT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT IT WAS LIKE FOUR HUNDRED TIMES AS MUCH JEEZ YEAH THAT'S NEAT +NOISE+ +NOISE+ BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN UH OH YOU KNOW EVERYBODY +NOISE+ IS TALKING ABOUT USING MORE MASS TRANSIENT HERE BUT IT UH IT'S TOUGH YOU KNOW LIKE I'VE I'VE LOOKED INTO RIDING THE BUS TO WORK AND I CAN DRIVE TO WORK IN UH AND GET THERE IN TWENTY TO TWENTY FIVE MINUTES OVER A VERY CONGESTED CORRIDOR WHICH GOES OVER LAKE WASHINGTON ON ONE OF THE FLOATING BRIDGES UH OF CERTAIN POLLUTANTS AND IT WAS LIKE UNBURNED HYDROCARBONS THEN A PROPERLY TUNED CAR AND AND THE IDEA BEING THAT IF YOU JUST TUNED UP ALL THE CARS WELL IF YOU TUNED UP THIS TEN PERCENT OF THE CARS THAT WERE PRODUCING LIKE FIFTY PERCENT OF THE THE POLLUTION THEN YOU KNOW YOU IT'D BE ONE WAY TO CUT THE POLLUTION IN HALF +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ HUH BUT IF I UH +NOISE+ IF I TAKE THE BUS IT REQUIRES SEVERAL TRANSFERS AND IT TAKES OVER AN HOUR +NOISE+ SO +NOISE+ SO IT YEAH AND THEY'RE IT'S IT'S NOT HARD TO SEE +NOISE+ WHY WHY I KEEP DRIVING AND YOU KNOW I FEEL GUILTY CAUSE I'M DRIVING A +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ WHAT KIND OF POLLUTION DO YOU HAVE IN FLAGSTAFF UH-HUH WELL WE HAVE THE THE USUAL AUTOMOTIVE POLLUTION ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT VERY VISIBLE YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT UH TOO MUCH UH BUT UH WE HAVE A LOT OF WOOD SMOKE HERE NOW I HEAT WITH WOOD SO UH I'M ONE OF THE POLLUTERS IF YOU THINK THAT WOOD SMOKE IS A IS A SOURCE OF POLLUTION BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO WHO THINK THAT UH IT'S GONE BEYOND THE PART OF BEING PART OF THE CHARM OF THE COMMUNITY TO THE POINT OF BEING PART OF THE POLLUTION AND +NOISE+ AND UH WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE UH GRAND CANYON UH-HUH UH-HUH WHERE THE AIR POLLUTION IS A VERY BIG ISSUE BECAUSE +NOISE+ UH OF POLLUTION WELL IT'S DEBATABLE AS TO WHETHER IT'S COMING FROM THE LOS ANGELES AREA ON THE JET STREAM OR WHETHER IT'S COMING FROM THE FOUR CORNERS POWER PLANT UP NEAR PAGE ARIZONA UH BUT BECAUSE IT'S A NATIONAL PARK THAT'S A A BIG ISSUE THERE UH +NOISE+ HERE IN FLAGSTAFF ACTUALLY UH IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE TO US THE THE BIGGEST POLLUTANT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR AIR IS CINDER DUST I'LL BE DARN +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH AND THAT'S BECAUSE +NOISE+ UH WE'RE IN A VOLCANIC REGION +NOISE+ AND WE UH WE HAVE DIRT ROADS UH IN A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE COVERED WITH CINDERS BUT THEY ALSO USE CINDERS ON THE HIGHWAYS IN THE WINTER TIME IN PLACE OF UH USING SALT OR SUBSTANCES LIKE THAT THAT THEY MIGHT IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY AND WHEN THE SNOW GOES AWAY AND IT DRIES UP AND THE CARS DRIVE OVER IT WE GET A LOT OF CINDER DUST KICKED UP INTO THE AIR AND AS OF YOU KNOW THE THE LARGEST QUANTITY THAT'S THE BIGGEST POLLUTANTS THAT WE HAVE TO TO DEAL WITH HERE +NOISE+ YEAH WELL I I'M SURE THAT CINDER DUST IS PRETTY UNIQUE +NOISE+ UH IN THE DALLAS AREA OF COURSE THE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF AIR POLLUTION IS JUST AUTOMOBILES UH WE DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF HEAVY INDUSTRY I MEAN THIS IS A CENTER FOR ELECTRONICS AND BANKING AND INSURANCE AND YOU KNOW BUSINESSES LIKE THAT WHICH ARE NOT TYPICALLY BAD POLLUTERS +NOISE+ YEAH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ HUH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ RIGHT BUT UH SO I I'D THINK THAT YOU'D HAVE TO BLAME MOST OF IT ON THE AUTOMOBILES HERE DOES DOES DALLAS SIT IN ANY KIND OF UH UH I'VE BEEN THERE BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU SIT IN ANY KIND OF A TROUGH THAT UH WHERE YOU GET TEMPERATURE INVERSIONS THAT THAT CAPTURE AIR POLLUTANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WE HAVE WE YES WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE THEM GAR THEY'RE NOT NOT TOO SIGNIFICANT BUT THEY DO OCCASIONALLY OCCUR UH ONE SOURCE OF POLLUTION FOR US +NOISE+ IS THE DUST AND SAND IN UH WEST TEXAS IN THE SPRING TIME WE'LL HAVE PARTS OF LUBBOCK COMING TO DALLAS SURE +NOISE+ I'M SERIOUS THESE ENORMOUS CLOUDS OF SAND OR DUST OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT +NOISE+ I LAUGH BECAUSE I MADE THE JOURNEY ONCE FROM EL PASO TO DALLAS AND THEN CONTINUING EAST UH TO THE EASTERN COAST OF THE UNITED STATES AND UH I JOKED THAT UH ALL OF THE SETTLERS SETTLED IN EASTERN TEXAS WHERE THE GREEN ROLLING HILLS ARE AND AND WHEN THEY FINALLY BEAT THE MEXICANS THE MEXICANS SAID FINE YOU CAN HAVE EAST TEXAS BUT AS ONLY AS LONG AS YOU TAKE WEST TEXAS TOO +NOISE+ YEP UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT IT UH-HUH +NOISE+ OKAY +NOISE+ ALL RIGHT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S INTERESTING THOUGH THAT YOU MENTION THE UH WOOD STOVES +NOISE+ I GREW UP IN NEW MEXICO AND BUT THAT WAS LONG ENOUGH AGO THAT UH PEOPLE DIDN'T REALLY +NOISE+ HEAT THAT MUCH WITH WOOD THAT WAS SORT OF A BACKWARD WAY OF DOING THINGS IF YOU WILL UH BUT NOW IN NEW MEXICO HEATING WITH WITH PARTICULARLY PINON PINE IS REALLY AN ISSUE NOT ONLY FROM THE POLLUTION POINT OF VIEW BUT IT TAKES MANY MANY YEARS TO GROW THOSE TREES YES +NOISE+ AND PEOPLE ARE CHOPPING THEM DOWN AND HEATING THEIR HOUSES WITH THEM UH AND IT IT'S SUCH A DISTINCTIVE SMELL WHEN IT BURNS I HAD FORGOTTEN IT I MEAN +NOISE+ I IT'S ONE OF THOSE SMELLS YOU FORGET BUT THEN WHEN YOU STEP OUTSIDE YOUR MOTHER'S HOUSE YOU GO OOPS YEP SOMEBODY'S BURNING PINON +NOISE+ UH-HUH HERE IN FLAGSTAFF UH JUNIPER IS THE THE VERY DISTINCTIVE SMELLING WOOD THAT YOU CAN SMELL IN THE WOOD SMOKE UH AND ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE UH WHICH GETS INTO FOREST MANAGEMENT BUT HAS AN IMPACT ON ON AIR POLLUTION IS THAT UH WE'RE SURROUNDED BY THE LARGEST STAND OF PONDEROSA PINE IN THE WORLD UH-HUH OH SURE BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BURN PONDEROSA PINE THEY WANT TO BURN OAK WHICH IS VERY HARD TO FIND IN THIS REGION OR JUNIPER BECAUSE IT'S THE MORE PLENTIFUL HARDWOOD AND UH ASPEN UH IT BURNS VERY CLEANLY BUT DOESN'T PUT OUT A LOT OF HEAT UH AND PONDEROSA +NOISE+ WE ALSO HAVE PINON BUT UH UH IT LIKE PONDEROSA IS VERY DIRTY UH-HUH AND SO THEY'RE NOT PREFERABLE WOODS AND SO HERE WE HAVE THIS GREAT ABUNDANCE OF PONDEROSA PINE AND THE FOREST SERVICE IS SAYING WE REALLY WISH THAT WE COULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT UH LESS OF A +NOISE+ OKAY +NOISE+ OKAY CAROL SO AIR QUALITY YEAH IS IT +NOISE+ I KNOW IN HERE UH DOWNTOWN DALLAS IT'S YOU I MEAN YOU DRIVE BY AND YOU CAN JUST YOU CAN SEE IT UH-HUH BUT THEN AGAIN +NOISE+ I ORIGINALLY WAS FROM CALIFORNIA AND UH THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA AND UH SURELY THEY'D HAVE THEIR SMOG ALERTS AND WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO STAY INDOORS FOR SO MANY HOURS WITH AN AIR CONDITIONER AND OF COURSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT HERE IN TEXAS SO +NOISE+ THERE'S YOU MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE THE UH THE SMOG ALERTS NO NOT IN NOT IN WELL NOT IN DALLAS THAT IS +NOISE+ RIGHT I I YEAH I SPENT A SUHMER IN TYLER SO I KNOW JUST EAST OF DALLAS THERE YEAH WE'RE GOING THERE TOMORROW OH REALLY +NOISE+ YEAH UH-HUH +NOISE+ WE'RE PACKING AND GETTING READY TO GO TO ACTUALLY I'M A CALIFORNIA BORN PERSON UH-HUH YEAH OH OKAY YEAH YOU DO THEN I WAS BORN IN L_A SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN L_A IT'S PRETTY BAD +NOISE+ UH THE WORST CITY IN THE IN THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY UH MEXICO CITY YES IS IT REALLY I WOULD NOT IMAGINE THAT THE WORST ONE FOR SMOG IS MEXICO CITY HUH THE MOST POLLUTED CITY IN THE WORLD +NOISE+ GAR YEAH I KNOW THAT THEY'VE THEY'RE LOOKING AT UH UH YOU KNOW UH YOU KNOW BETTER RUNNING AUTOMOBILES HUH YOU LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY +NOISE+ UH-HUH YEAH I'VE SEEN THAT UH SOME THINGS THEY DO ONE OF THEM IS THEY'RE USING CORN IN FUEL HUH YOU EVER HEARD OF THAT HUH-UH YEAH METHANOL HUH NO +NOISE+ OH YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S TRUE RIGHT YEAH WELL THAT'S BIG UP HERE BECAUSE OF THE THEY GROW A LOT OF CORN +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UH THAT'S ONE THING THAT THEY DO AT THAT IT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO AND THE UH UNFORTUNATELY IT STILL CONTRIBUTES TO GLOBAL WARMING CAUSE YOU HAVE TO YOU KNOW WIPE OUT FORESTS TO GROW CORN AND THINGS LIKE THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UH +NOISE+ BUT IT'S YOU KNOW ONE OF THE MOST UH PRODUCTIVE CROP IN THE WORLD IS CORN HUH AND OF COURSE I DOUBT IF THERE'S ANY YOU CAN BUY REGULAR ANYMORE YOU BUY UNLEADED RIGHT YEAH YEAH HUH +NOISE+ DRIVE CARS WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AND ALL THAT IT'S INTERESTING THEY'RE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THERE'S SOME WORK BEING DONE ON UH AUTOMOBILES THAT ARE ELECTRICAL POWERED +NOISE+ +NOISE+ AND UH UH-HUH +NOISE+ THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHERE YOU HAVE A BATTERY OPERATED CAR BASICALLY BUT IT HAS A A ENGINE IN THE BACK UH-HUH THAT CHARGES IT SO THE ENGINE KICKS ON WHEN THE BATTERIES NEED POWER AND IT TURNS OFF UH-HUH HUH +NOISE+ THAT IS GOOD INTERESTING THING ABOUT GAS IS WHEN I MEAN ABOUT BATTERY POWERED CARS IS WHEN YOU'RE AT A STOP LIGHT YOU'RE NOT USING ANY ANY ENERGY +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UNLIKE A CAR WHERE IT'S RUNNING YEAH YEAH A ELECTRIC CAR IT'S ON DEMAND I MEAN IT'S EITHER ON OR OFF BASICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHIFT +NOISE+ HUH +NOISE+ SO YOU CARS BECOME VERY SIMPLE ALL OF A SUDDEN TOO OH +NOISE+ VERY INTERESTING YEAH THAT WOULD BE +NOISE+ NICE I THINK I SAW THAT ON T_V ONE TIME THEY MAYBE IT WAS C_N_N WHERE THEY WERE DEMONSTRATING THAT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT THERE'S THERE'S A RACE IN AUSTRALIA WITH SOLAR POWERED CARS HUH AND FORD AND GENERAL MOTORS AND ALL THOSE COMPETE BUT WHAT I THINK THAT WAS A A A SETBACK THAT THEY I DON'T KNOW THEY WENT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILES AN HOUR I THINK LIKE WAS THAT SOMETHING RIGHT YEAH MAYBE IT WAS I DON'T KNOW G_M UH CHRYSLER ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE WELL THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ELECTRIC MINIVAN HUH YEAH THEIR THEIR CARAVAN BUT IT COSTS UH FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS +NOISE+ RIGHT NOW +NOISE+ TO OPERATE YEAH BUT YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM YOU KNOW WHOSE BUYING THEM THE POWER COMPANY HUH +NOISE+ YEAH AND THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE TOO GAR +NOISE+ WELL YEAH YEAH FREE YOU KNOW FREE FOR THEM KIND OF INTERESTING SO SEE WELL IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IF THEY WANT PEOPLE TO CONVERT YOU KNOW UH-HUH YEAH +NOISE+ IT'S TOP SPEED IS SOMETHING LIKE EIGHTY MILES AN HOUR SO IT'S A GOOD GOOD THEY SHOULD MAKE IT WORTHWHILE YEAH YEAH VEHICLE +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ UH WELL I'LL TELL YOU SOMETIMES IT'S IT'S PRETTY BAD HERE LIKE TODAY I THINK IT WAS PRETTY BAD I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IF IT'S JUST UH THE ALLERGIES OR WHAT BUT SOME DAYS IT'S VERY NICE HERE DOWNTOWN AND OTHER DAYS IT'S JUST REALLY BAD SO I DON'T KNOW SO WHAT WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DID YOU EXPERIENCE IN L_A WHEN YOU WERE THERE OR CAN YOU REMEMBER WERE YOU THERE AT A OH I WASN'T THERE TOO LONG AGO UH CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE PROBABLY WELL YOU KNOW GOING OVER THE HILLS YOU KNOW COMING INTO THE VALLEY +NOISE+ YEAH WELL WE WERE THERE WHEN THEY HAD A +NOISE+ YOU CAN SEE THAT HORRIBLE HORRIBLE BROWN HAZE YES JACK HAVE YOU HAD YOUR CAR REPAIRED LATELY HAVE YOU HAD YOUR AUTOMOBILE REPAIRED HAVE I WHAT +NOISE+ EXCUSE ME WELL I'M NOT MUCH OF ONE FOR GETTING MY HANDS DIRTY I NEVER CARED FOR THAT BUT I DO UH WELL LIKE LAST WEEKEND I WAS UH ATTACHING A TOW HITCH TO THE FRONT OF MY LITTLE PICKUP SO I COULD UH TOW IT BEHIND MY MOTOR HOME UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND I'M TELLING YOU THE AIR AROUND PLANO HERE TURNED BLUE BEFORE THE DAY WAS THROUGH OH IT IT WAS A VERY SIMPLE THING TO DO AND I DIDN'T START UNTIL THREE IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE I THOUGHT OH MAYBE AN HOUR TWO HOURS AT THE MOST UH-HUH EIGHT THIRTY THAT NIGHT I'M STILL WORKING OUT THERE UNDER THE FLOOD LIGHTS WAS THIS A MECHANICAL HITCH YES YES NO NO ALL NUTS AND BOLTS SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THERE WAS NO WELDING INVOLVED +NOISE+ BUT TRYING TO GET THE HOLES TO LINE UP UH-HUH I MEAN I HAD TO LOOSEN THE FRONT BUHPER WELL +NOISE+ AND I YOU WOULD BE AMAZED YOU YOU THINK WELL THERE'S JUST TWO BOLTS ON EACH SIDE THAT HOLDS THE BUHPER HUH-UH UH-HUH +NOISE+ NO NO SUCH LUCK NO UH I DON'T GO IN LIKE I SAY I DON'T GO IN FOR UH ANY DEEP REPAIRS ESPECIALLY WITH TODAY'S AUTOMOBILES THAT ARE COMPUTER CONTROLLED AND EVERYTHING YEAH YEAH I KNOW I'VE GOT A A SIMILAR PROBLEM I USED TO WORK UH BELIEVE IT OR NOT REPAIRING CARS ABOUT UH TWENTY YEARS AGO UH-HUH AND DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING ABOUT DOING MY OWN REPAIR WORK AND I ABOUT TWENTY YEARS AGO I I GOT A REAL JOB AND +NOISE+ I'VE BEEN DOING IT EVER SINCE AND I'VE BEEN AWAY FROM IT FOR SO LONG NOW WHEN I DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING TO MY CAR I COULDN'T UH MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WAS UH TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE UH THE EXHAUST SYSTEM ON MY CAR UH OH TRY TO WORK OUT IN THE DRIVEWAY KIND OF COOL OUTSIDE NO LIFTS SO YOU HAD TO WORK WITH CAR JACKED UP ENOUGH UP ON BLOCKS UH-HUH PULLING THE PIPES APART NOT HAVING THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT UH BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT RIGHT EQUIPMENT I NEEDED BECAUSE I USED TO WORK IN A GARAGE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PIPE SPREADERS OR CHISELS UH DESIGNED TO DO THAT AND IT WOULD TAKE ME TWO OR THREE TIMES LONGER THAN IT NORMALLY WOULD TO YOU KNOW GET THE PROFESSIONAL TO DO IT UH-HUH THAT'S ALWAYS THE WAY SO I STARTED SO I STARTED TAKING MY CAR TO THE GARAGE AND UH I HAD A LITTLE SQUEAK IN FACT IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN I APPLIED MY FOOT ON THE BRAKES AND I I'D I'D BEEN EXPERIENCING THIS SQUEAK FOR QUITE A WHILE SO I STOPPED AT ONE OF THESE SPEEDY MUFFLER PLACES UH UH-HUH TO HAVE THEM LOOK AT MY WHEEL BEARING BECAUSE MY WHEEL BEARING NEEDED GREASE AND UH AFTER WAITING A HALF AN HOUR TO GET ON THE LIFT I UH WAS THERE AND HE PULLED THE FIRST WHEEL OFF THE ONE THAT I SAID THAT WAS SQUEAKING AND HE SAID THE BEARING LOOKS GOOD SO HE PULLED THE OTHER LEFT FRONT WHEEL OFF AND HE SAYS UH I THINK I'VE GOT THE PROBLEM I SAYS WHAT'S THAT HE SAYS YOUR BRAKES ARE NO GOOD SO HE SAYS WANT ME TO PULL THE BACK OFF I SAYS NO AND SO +NOISE+ HE PULLED THEM OFF ANYWAY +NOISE+ UH-HUH SO THEN HE SAYS UH-HUH YOU NEED BRAKES ON THE FRONT YOU NEED BRAKES ON THE BACK I SAID WELL JEEZ YOU KNOW I ONLY STOPPED HERE TO GET A WHEEL BEARING PUT IN AND I SAYS I DIDN'T YOU KNOW I DIDN'T HAVE UH SLIGHTEST IDEA I NEEDED BRAKES WELL YOU KNOW I RAN INTO THE VERY SAME PROBLEM BACK LAST CHRISTMAS UH-HUH UH LET'S SEE WHERE WAS I I WAS OVER IN MISSISSIPPI UH-HUH AND UH DRIVING AT THAT TIME I HAD THIS LITTLE FORD ESCORT WHICH TOWS LIKE A LITTLE BABY BEHIND A MOTOR HOME UH-HUH AND I DEARLY LOVED IT FOR THAT BUT UH I WAS OUT DRIVING AROUND LOOKING AT THE SIGHTS WELL THIS IS VICKSBURG SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE CIVIL WAR BATTLEGROUND AND I DEVELOPED THIS HELLACIOUS SQUEALING JUST LIKE YOU DID ONLY MINE SOUNDED LIKE UH IT WAS COMING FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL SOMEWHERE THAT KIND KIND KIND OF A SQUEAL IT WAS A CONTINUOUS SQUEAL RIGHT YEAH AND IT WAS MORE OUTSTANDING WHEN I TURNED IN ONE DIRECTION RATHER THAN THE OTHER WHAT UH UH THIS IS EVIDENTLY IT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT UH THAT CAME ABOUT AFTER I WORKED IN MY GARAGE TWENTY YEARS THEY DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A THING BUT WHAT WHAT THEY'VE GOT NOW IS LIKE A LITTLE METAL TAB YES YEAH WELL GAR OH +NOISE+ THAT UH THAT THAT THAT'S DESIGNED TO SQUEAK WHEN UH YOU KNOW BEFORE THE THING THAT THEY USED TO USE WAS UH ONCE YOUR LET ME SEE ONCE THE PAD REACHED THE LEVEL OF THE RIVET HEAD THEN THAT WAS TIME TO CHANGE YOUR BRAKES UNFORTUNATELY YOU COULDN'T SEE IT UNTIL YOU PULLED THE WHEEL OFF SO THEY NEEDED AN AUDIBLE METHOD OF DEFINING WHEN BRAKES WERE NEEDED SO THEY CAME UP WITH THAT BUT I DIDN'T FINISH TELLING YOU MY UH MY STORY THAT WAS ONLY THE BEGINNING AFTER HE PULLED ALL MY FOR WHEELS OFF HE SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED NEW BRAKES SO I SAID WELL WHAT IS THAT GOING TO COST SO HE SAID WELL LET ME FIGURE IT OUT SO HE SAYS WELL PROBABLY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS SO I SAYS WELL I SAID THAT ISN'T TOO BAD WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND DO IT SO HE BUT I SAYS GIVE ME AN A WRITTEN ESTIMATE SO HE WENT AROUND AND HE SAYS WELL YOUR BACK DRUH IS NO GOOD I CAN'T TURN IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S OVERSIZE AND YOU NEED NEW THIS AND YOU NEED NEW THAT AND HE COME UP WITH A BILL OF SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT DOLLARS I'VE GOT A +NOISE+ I'VE GOT A CADILLAC +NOISE+ SO OH NO WONDER UH-HUH OH BOY I SAYS NO I SAYS I DON'T WANT TO DO IT I SAID PUT IT BACK TOGETHER HE SAYS I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN +NOISE+ SO I'M STUCK OVER THERE I'VE GOT MY CAR ALL APART AND HE'S TELLING ME HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HE CAN PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN I SAYS WELL I CAME IN HERE WITH A CAR WITH FOUR WHEELS ON I SAID I GOING TO LEAVE WITH FOUR WHEELS SO HE SAYS WELL WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER AGAIN IF YOU KNOW YOU NEED BRAKES BECAUSE HE SHOWED ME AND I DID IN FACT NEED BRAKES AND I WAS GOING TO DO IT MYSELF AND I JUST YOU KNOW IT IT I SHUDDERED BECAUSE EVERY TIME I TRY TO WORK ON MY CAR LATELY I DON'T HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TOOLS AND IT ENDS UP TAKING MY TWICE AS LONG SO THEN HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID I CAN GIVE YOU A FIFTEEN OR TEN PERCENT DISCOUNT IF YOU DO IT NOW SO I SAYS OKAY SO IT ENDED UP COSTING ME ALMOST SIX HUNDRED ALMOST SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THAT COMPLETE BRAKE AND I JUST STOPPED FOR A SQUEAK +NOISE+ WELL I GUESS I WAS PRETTY LUCKY IT ONLY ENDED UP COSTING MY EIGHTY FIVE DOLLARS BUT OF COURSE ALL I GOT WAS THE FRONT BRAKES WELL THE PLACE THAT I'VE BEEN GOING TO BECAUSE I OWN A CADILLAC YOU CAN'T GO TO A GARAGE YOU HAVE TO GO TO A DEALER UH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH OH UH-HUH THEY CHARGE THIRTY SIX TO FORTY FIVE DOLLARS AN HOUR AND UH I HAD TROUBLE WITH MY FAN ON MY BLOWER IT MY MY HIGH SPEED WOULDN'T WOULD NOT WORK MY LOW SPEED BLOWER WOULD WORK BUT MY HIGH SPEED WOULDN'T SO I SAYS I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY IT I'M GOING TO TAKE IT RIGHT DOWN THERE AND TELL THE GUY TO PUT IT IN SO I UH I WENT DOWN I PICKED IT UP PICKED UP THE CAR WHEN IT WAS ALL DONE AND I SAYS WELL HOW MUCH IS IT AND THE PART CAME TO I DON'T KNOW TWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS AND THE LABOR CAME TO SOMETHING LIKE FIFTEEN DOLLARS WHICH IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE I NEVER GET OUT OF THAT PLACE FOR LESS THAN TWO HUNDRED SO I'M SAYING TO MYSELF IF HE ONLY CHARGED ME FIFTEEN DOLLARS THAT MEANT THAT HE ONLY WORKED ON IT FOR ABOUT TWENTY MINUTES AND AND I SAID JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT I WANT TO OPEN UP THE HOOD TO SEE WHAT HE WORKED ON HONEST TO GOD THE THE BLOWER A TWO YEAR OLD COULD HAVE CHANGED IT IT WAS RIGHT ON TOP I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER LOOKING BECAUSE INSIDE MY CAR LOOKS LIKE UH ALL TUBES AND WIRES AND VACUUHS AND HOSES AND AND THIS BLOWER IS SITTING RIGHT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AND IT WAS ONLY TWO LITTLE SCREWS HOLDING IT DOWN OH FOR PETE'S SAKE SO IT TOOK HIM ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AND HE CHARGED ME A HALF AN HOUR'S WORTH OF LABOR WELL I THOUGHT THEY HAD A MINIMUH CHARGE OF ONE HOUR NO EVIDENTLY THEY UH THEY GAVE ME A HALF HOUR MINIMUH IS WHAT THEY CHARGED ME UH-HUH SAY ARE YOU FROM BOSTON BY ANY CHANCE YES I AM +NOISE+ CAN YOU TELL BY THE ACCENT I'M AFRAID SO THE CAR IN THE GARAGE GARAGE +NOISE+ I'VE UH I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT DALLAS AND PUT SOME PRESENTATIONS DOWN THERE AND EVERY TIME I OPEN MY MOUTH +NOISE+ PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR ME SAY THE WORD CAR WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED RIGHT NOW ATTLEBORO MASSACHUSETTS OH NO GAR I'M IN THE T_I GAR I'M IN I'M IN DALLAS UH-HUH WELL I GATHERED THAT FOR SOME REASON THE PEOPLE DOWN IN DALLAS DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ALSO HAVE AN AN ACCENT +NOISE+ WELL I SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE I'M A DAMN YANKEE MYSELF WELL WELL YOU ARE BUT YOU DO HAVE A SOUTHERN SOUTHERN UH DRAWL I CAN I CAN TELL THAT YOU'RE FROM UH THE SOUTHERN UH I'VE SPENT BETTER THAN HALF MY LIFE IN TENNESSEE NORTH CAROLINA FLORIDA UH-HUH LOUISIANA MISSISSIPPI OH SO YOU'VE GOT A YOU DON'T HAVE A STRONG UH A STRONG ACCENT BUT THE PEOPLE I WAS TALKING TO THE GUY THAT I WAS TALKING TO LAST NIGHT HAD UH A STRONGER ACCENT UH-HUH UH WELL TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO I WAS IN THE RADIO BUSINESS COMMERCIAL RADIO OH SO THAT HELPED AND WELL I WAS A D J AT THE TIME AND I I REALLY WORKED ON LOSING MY NEW YORK ACCENT AND UH I LIKE TO THINK I MANAGED TO STAY AWAY FROM IT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT I DO CATCH MYSELF EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TALKING ALONG WITH THAT SOUTHERN ACCENT ONCE IN A WHILE UH-HUH +NOISE+ IT'S NOT IT'S NOT VERY STRONG BUT IT'S THERE OKAY SO UH SO ON ON THE ON THE CAR REPAIRS HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY OTHER INTERESTING THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU OR DO YOU DO YOUR OWN REPAIR WORK AT ALL OR LIKE I CHANGE MY OIL MYSELF OH OH YEAH THAT I DO AND I'VE BEEN ONLY BECAUSE I'M TOO CHEAP TO PAY SOMEBODY UH TWICE THE VALUE OF THE OIL AND THE FILTER TO WELL I DO IT ON MY MOTOR HOME UH-HUH BECAUSE IT MEANS IF I TAKE IT SOMEWHERE TO DO IT I HAVE TO TAKE IT TO AN R V DEALER UH-HUH BECAUSE LOCAL STATIONS JUST AREN'T BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE A MOTOR HOME RIGHT RIGHT AND SO I DO THE I CHANGE THE OIL MYSELF BUT SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN PUTTING OFF FOR TOO LONG NOW IS FLUSHING OUT THE RADIATOR OH THAT I'VE GOT TO DO THIS WEEKEND I'VE BEEN PROMISING AND PROMISING TO DO IT WHY UH WHY DO YOU FEEL AS IF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TO KEEP IT CLEAN OH YES DEFINITELY I HAD UH OH A FEW YEARS AGO I HAD A FORD ONE FIFTY PICKUP UH-HUH AND I DIDN'T TAKE VERY GOOD CARE OF IT ALL I MUST ADMIT RED FACED I MUST ADMIT THAT I DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THE BASICS AND I NEVER DID DRAIN I DIDN'T EVEN DRAIN THE RADIATOR EVERY WINTER I'D CHECK IT AND UH WELL IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS MANY YEARS HAVE GONE +NOISE+ WELL WHAT IS IT THAT YOU PREFER TO PROVIDES AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE ON YOUR VEHICLE I DO ALL MY OWN MAINTENANCE AS A MATTER OF FACT I JUST FINISHED PUTTING A TIMING CHAIN IN MY WIFE'S TOYOTA +NOISE+ +NOISE+ WOW HOW ABOUT THAT I DO I DO ALL OF THAT MYSELF THAT I'M NOT QUITE AS MECHANICALLY INCLINED ALTHOUGH THAT SOME OF THE THE BASIC THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR UH THE MAINTENANCE OF YOUR WARRANTY ON A VEHICLE OH SURE SURE IS STUFF THAT YOU CAN DO YOURSELF JUST THE OIL UH CHANGED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT'S ABOUT WHERE I MY EXPERTISE ENDS IN IN THAT CATEGORY JUST YOU KNOW WELL THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT DRIVE THAT UP HERE ONE IS WE IS THE LACK OF GOOD SERVICE PEOPLE UH-HUH BECAUSE THERE JUST AREN'T ARE NOT ANY LEFT HARDLY AROUND UP IN THIS AREA I BELIEVE THAT AND THE OTHER THING IS THE COST IT'S ALMOST PROHIBITIVE TO BRING IT TO A DEAL BOY I'LL TELL YOU I JUST GOT MY CAR BACK FROM A DEALER AND WHEN IT WAS IN THERE I HAD THEM JUST GO AHEAD GAR CHANGE THE OIL AND FILTER THIRTY FOUR DOLLARS OH SURE SURE THE THE PRICE IS ASTRONOMICAL BUT WHAT I DO IS +NOISE+ I LIKE TO DO THIS OKAY AND I AND I I LIKE TO PLAY WITH MECHANICS AND THAT'S I I REALLY I'VE DONE THAT ALL MY LIFE SO AND THE HUH WELL THAT'S UH THAT'S QUITE A SAVINGS HAVING THAT TALENT THE LITTLE THE LITTLE TOYOTA IS A NINETEEN EIGHTY THREE SO +NOISE+ I REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO LOSE IF I MESS IT UP TOO BAD +NOISE+ HOW MANY MILES HAS IT GOT +NOISE+ NOW WHAT DID YOU JUST REPLACE THE TIMING CHAIN WELL THE CAMSHAFT TIMING CHAIN NOW I'M NOT EVEN FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THAT WHERE THAT IS OKAY IT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE ENGINE UH SAY LIKE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RADIATOR OVER THE WATER PUHP UH-HUH AND IT IT DRIVES FROM THE CRANKSHAFT IT DRIVES UH A CHAIN THAT DRIVES THE CAMSHAFT WHICH IS AN OVERHEAD CAM IN MOST FOREIGN CARS UH-HUH AND UH IT WAS GETTING KIND OF WORN THE CAR HAD A HUNDRED AND ONE THOUSAND MILES ON IT AND IT WAS GETTING A LITTLE NOISY SO HUH SURE NOT SO MUCH FOR THE NOISE BUT IF IT WERE TO JUHP A TOOTH OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE I WOULD MEET SERIOUS PROBLEMS ON THE FREEWAY AND I DIDN'T WANT TO CHANCE HAVING DRIVING THE CAR LIKE THAT SO WELL HOW MUCH HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO REPLACE THAT OH THREE NIGHTS I WORKED ON IT THREE NIGHTS AND ABOUT FOUR HOURS ON LAST SATURDAY AND I JUST PUT IT IN IN THE GARAGE AND WORKED ON I I HAVE I NEW OLDSMOBILE SO +NOISE+ UH-HUH OH SURE UH IT'S IT'S JUST A LITTLE HOBBY AND IF IT'S NOT TOO COLD OUTSIDE AND THE WEATHER'S STARTING TO GET PRETTY NICE AND IF IT'S NOT TOO TOO COLD OUT I CAN GO OUT AND WORK ON IT DON'T HAVE HEAT IN THE GARAGE OR ANYTHING BUT UH-HUH HOW MUCH WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT COST IN THE GARAGE UH +NOISE+ WELL I FIGURED IF I HAD IT DONE IN THE GARAGE AT THE TOYOTA DEALER I WOULD BE LOOKING AT AT PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS JIMMINY BETWEEN THE GASKET KIT AND THE NEW DISTRIBUTOR CAP I PUT ON AND THE NEW UH CHAIN AND THE LABOR AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THE PARTS WAS BY ITSELF OH REALLY WELL THE PARTS TO TO ME I SPENT TWENTY TWO DOLLARS ON THE PARTS +NOISE+ YEAH WOW OH GOSH SO I REALLY I REALLY DON'T HAVE HEART BURN AT ALL WITH DOING IT MYSELF OVER FOUR NIGHTS KIND OF TIED THE CAR UP IF FOUR DAYS BUT WE'RE FORTUNATE WE DIDN'T NEED IT YEAH AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS A NIGHT THAT'S NOT STILL NOT TOO BAD SURE NO I KNOW BUT YOU KNOW YOU YOU SAVE THE MARKUP ON THE PARTS AND OF COURSE YOU BUY UPON THEM WHOLE SALE FROM THE PARTS STORE AND AND YOU CAN SAVE A LITTLE BIT THERE AND YOU CAN SAVE AN AWFUL LOT ON THE LABOR WHICH IS HIGH TODAY AND LIKE ALL THE REST OF US WE EXPECT TOP DOLLAR FOR WHAT WE DO AND I I DON'T BLAME THE GARAGE PEOPLE IT'S JUST THAT ITS VERY VERY HARD TO FIND ANYBODY HERE THAT'S WILLING TO DO THAT TYPE OF WORK UH-HUH EXACTLY ALL OF OUR SO CALLED GARAGES ARE NOW CONVENIENCE STORES THAT SELL GASOLINE AND THEY REALLY DON'T DO ANY REPAIRS ANYMORE SO YOU KNOW YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR ALMOST TIED TO THE DEALER TO GO BACK TO THEM AND WELL IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE JUST SWAMPED WITH WORK SO SURE YEAH WELL FORTUNATELY I JUST WELL REPLACED THE THE POWER ANTENNA UH YOU KNOW IT KIND OF DUHB HAVING THE GARAGE DOOR I DROVE OUT BEFORE THE DOOR WAS COMPLETELY UP AND THE RADIO ON SO IT TOOK OFF THE ANTENNA SURE BUT THE MAST ITSELF COST UH TWO DOLLARS UH-HUH AND I WENT I CALLED THE DEALER AND THEY WANTED TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY TO PUT IT IN AND SURE AND THAT'S THAT'S HELD IN BY TWO BOLTS AND A BRACKET GOSH AND THEN I WENT TO AND THEN PLUG A WIRE IN THE BOTTOM OF IT WELL IT I I LOOKED AT IT MYSELF TO SEE IF I COULD DO IT MYSELF BECAUSE I YOU KNOW I I FEEL I'M PRETTY COMPETENT AND HANDY I'M SURE YOU COULD HAVE UH-HUH BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY BURIED THIS ONE IN THE SIXTY SIX MAZDAS YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE DASH AND THE FUSE BOX TO GET TO THE MOTOR UH-HUH AND SO THEY SAY THERE'S UH THREE HOURS OF LABOR JUST TO UNCOVER WHERE THE THE METAL SHAFT GOES IN BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH THE +NOISE+ THROUGH THE DOOR IN BETWEEN THE WINDSHIELD AND THE DRIVERS SIDE DOOR AND COMES OUT ABOVE THE DRIVERS HEAD OKAY YEAH THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT SITS UP AT AN ANGLE BACK THERE YEAH YEAH SO IT'S TERRIBLY ENGINEERED +NOISE+ YEAH +NOISE+ WELL THAT THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM YOU KNOW AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THESE SPECIAL TOOLS OF COURSE LIKE I SAID WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE WITH THE OLDER CARS WE CAN WORK ON THEM WHAT UH EVERYTHING WAS VISIBLE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE SPECIAL TOOLS AND THE TECHNOLOGY I I WOULD HATE TO BUY A BRAND NEW CAR TODAY WITH THE ELECTRONICS THAT ARE IN THEM OH YEAH I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A BEAR TO WORK ON YOU KNOW +NOISE+ UH SURE ANYMORE JUST PUTTING EVERYTHING ON A CHIP IS YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THE CHIP UNLESS YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO DIAGNOSE WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE CHIP UH-HUH YES THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE +NOISE+ UH HAVE YOU DONE HAVE YOU DONE MUCH REPAIR WORK YOURSELF OTHER THAN JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE LIKE OIL CHANGES AND STUFF YEAH SURE I HAVE A A SEVENTY NINE UH MAZDA R X SEVEN FIRST YEAR OF THE ROTARY ENGINE THAT I USED TO DO I USED TO WORK ON BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW BACK SEVENTY NINE IF I WAS TO DO SOMETHING SCREW IT UP ELECTRICALLY UH I I HANDLED EVERYTHING I PUT IN ANTENNA'S THERE YOU KNOW THE ANTENNA THE REPLACEMENTS PARTS ALL THAT KIND OF THING BUT WHEN IT CAME TO EVER GIVING ANY KIND OF TUNE UP'S OR THINGS LIKE THAT I'D TAKE IT INTO THE SHOP ANYTHING BASIC THAT ROTARY ENGINE ALWAYS FASCINATED ME I WAS I WAS ALWAYS ENTHRALLED BY THE ROTARY ENGINE I THINK THAT'S A NEAT IDEA AND I SURPRISED WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT WAY MORE AND YEAH AND THEY JUST STOP MAKING THEM NOW YEAH YEAH SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING WHEN IT'S WORK GREAT SMOOTH IT'S A SMOOTH RUNNING QUITE CAR I I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHY WELL PERHAPS THE THE TOOLING COST WERE PROBABLY PROHIBITIVE TO MOST COMPANIES YOU KNOW I SUPPOSE BUT I HAD A HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND ON IT WHEN I SOLD IT THE UH THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY IS IN DIRE NEED OF SOMETHING IN THIS IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S TOO BAD YEAH UH THE TOYOTA WE BOUGHT I I BOUGHT SECOND HAND I DID NOT BUY IT NEW UH-HUH YEAH UH-HUH WOW UH BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THAT LITTLE CAR AND AS OPPOSED AS TO WHAT'S IN SOME OF THE AMERICAN CARS YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY A HALF A STEP BEHIND AND I THINK I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING TO CORRECT THAT BUT I THINK WE GOT AWAY FROM US A LITTLE BIT GAR BUT I I I JUST LIKE I SAY TO WORK ON IT MYSELF I ONE I LIKE TO DO THAT UH I I THINK I WOULD DO ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE I CHANGE MY OWN OIL AND I CHANGE OF COURSE SPARK PLUGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT'S ROUTINE THAT I I WOULD CALL ROUTINE MAINTENANCE ONCE A YEAR I DO THAT EVERY FALL I GET READY FOR THE WINTER AND I EVEN LUBRICATE THE CAR MYSELF BECAUSE I HAVE A I HAVE MEANS OF OF RUNNING THEM UP ON JACK STANDS AND AND YOU KNOW I I HAVE A CREEP BOARD I CRAWL ON UNDERNEATH IT SO IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL SURE SURE BUT EVEN TODAY LIKE WITH YOUR WASTE OIL WHEN YOU DRAIN THE OIL AND CHANGE THE OIL NOW I HAVE TO BRING IT TO A DISPOSAL CENTER I I NO LONGER CAN PUT IT IN IN THE TRASH YOU KNOW OH REALLY OR OR IN A CONTAINER YEAH WE HAVE WE'RE REALLY ON AN ECOLOGY KICK UP HERE I GUESS ALL THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND WELL THAT'S GOOD AND THEY REALLY REALLY THEY COME DOWN AND POUND YOU REAL HARD IF THEY CATCH YOU DUHPING OIL ON THE GROUND BECAUSE IT DOES GO IN AND IT EFFECTS THE LAKES AND STREAMS AND IT EVENTUALLY WINDS UP ON THE OCEAN HERE AND IT REALLY MAKES A MESS AROUND AROUND NEW ENGLAND SURE SO WE HAVE TAKE THE OIL TO UH A UH A DISPOSAL CENTER THAT'S AN E P A YOU KNOW AUTHORIZED DISPOSAL CENTER UH-HUH RIGHT AND THEY GLADLY TAKE IT BUT THEY ONLY TAKE IT LIKE FOR TWO HOURS ON A SATURDAY MORNING YOU KNOW AND IT'S IT GETS TO BE A PAIN SOMETIME TO GO THROUGH THAT BUT I THINK IT'S STILL WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE OIL YOU CAN BUY FOR EIGHTY FIVE CENTS A QUART BUT IF YOU BUY THAT SAME OIL AT A DEALER IT'S GOING TO COST YOU PROBABLY TWO DOLLARS A QUART SURE SURE AND AND NOW THE LABOR TO PUT IT IN OF COURSE OF COURSE AND UH I I AGAIN I LIKE TO DO THAT I I WOULD DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE ON MY CAR IF I COULD UH-HUH UH EVEN INTO MAJOR THINGS JUST TO KEEP OUR CAR LONGER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE GET THE MONEY THAT WE PUT INTO THEM OUT OF THEM IN TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS AND OF COURSE I WAS NEVER IN A POSITION WHERE I COULD TRADE MY CAR OFF EVERY TWO YEARS RIGHT +NOISE+ WELL IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A VERY VALUABLE TALENT OH GREAT UH WELL I I LIKE I SAID I'VE DONE MECHANICS ALL MY LIFE AND I DO THAT WITH THE COMPANY SO +NOISE+ UH I'M A SENIOR ENGINEER FOR THEM SO +NOISE+ MECHANICS AND I I JUST UH I ENJOY IT I REALLY IT'S LIKE A DIVERSION FOR ME I I THINK IF I HAD TO DO IT IF I HAD TO DO AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR OR OR ANYTHING I WANT TO DO WOODWORK TOO AND IT'S A DIVERSION BECAUSE I KNOW I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO THIS +NOISE+ OKAY SO I THINK LIKE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS BUT IF IF I WERE FORCED TO DO IT THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION IT SURE HAS I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CALL AND UH +NOISE+ IT'S NICE TO TALK WITH YOU FOLKS FROM FROM DOWN IN THE THE MAIN OFFICE AREA UH YEAH THAT'S TRUE WELL IT'S BEEN GOODS TALKING TO YOU +NOISE+ EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE DOWN HERE AT THE MAIN SITE YEAH SURE HOW'S YOUR WEATHER IT'S PRETTY GOOD OH IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFUL THERE YOU GO YEAH WE'RE JUST STARTING TO GET SOME NICE LITTLE WARM WEATHER UP HERE IN NEW ENGLAND IT GOT UP TO SEVENTY TODAY THAT'S A GOOD SIGN WE WE'VE BEEN RUNNING AROUND TWENTY IN THE MORNING STARTING TO DEFROST GETTING A LITTLE COLD AND IT'S TOO COLD TO WORK ON AUTOMOBILES OUTSIDE GENERALLY BUT WE HAD THE LAST FEW DAYS BEEN PRETTY NICE WELL THAT'S GREAT I APPRECIATE YOUR CALL AND YOU ENJOY YOURSELF AND IF YOUR UP THIS WAY LOOK ME UP IN ATTENBOROUGH YOU TOO ALL RIGHTY GOOD BYE +NOISE+ OKAY SIR THANK YOU AGAIN WELL UH DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LAST REPAIR WAS UH THAT THAT YOU HAD DONE TO YOUR CAR I THINK THE LAST THING WE HAD DONE ON THE CAR HAD TO DO WITH UH THE TRANSMISSION I SEE AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY DID UH +NOISE+ SPEAKING FROM OTHER IGNORANCE RIGHT WHAT ABOUT YOUR CAR UH-HUH UH WELL I GUESS THE LAST THING THAT WE HAD DONE UH WAS WE HAD TO HAVE NEW TIRES PUT ON IT AND UH IT'S SORT OF A LONG STORY WE HAD TO GET OUR CAR INSPECTED UH FOR THE STATE INSPECTION STICKER AND UH THE THE GAS STATION I DIDN'T KNOW THIS BUT THE GAS STATION IF THEY REJECT YOUR CAR UH THEY PUT ON X ON YOUR INSPECTION STICKER AND UH YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT SAME STATION TO GET IT INSPECTED OH YOU CAN'T GO TO A DIFFERENT ONE OH YOU CAN'T GO TO A DIFFERENT ONE AND THEY DIDN'T PASS OUR OUR TIRES ON UH ON MY CAR SO UH WHAT THEY DIDN'T PASS THE UH THE BACK TIRES THE TWO BACK TIRES SO WHAT I DID I WENT DOWN AND BOUGHT TWO NEW UH TIRES HAD THEM PUT ON THE FRONT AND THEN MY FRONT TIRES WERE JUST ROTATED TO THE BACK OH UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND UH SO I WENT BACK TO THE GAS STATION AND UH THE GUY SAID WELL YOUR BACK TIRES STILL DON'T PASS AND I SAID NO YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING BECAUSE I I JUST MOVED THEM AND I TOLD HIM WHAT I DID AND HE GOT HIS LITTLE GAUGE OUT AND SAID WELL THESE DON'T PASS OH MY SO THEN I HAD TO GO BACK AND BUY TWO MORE BUY TWO MORE +NOISE+ OH BOY I WAS SO FRUSTRATED WITH THAT BUT UH BESIDES ROUTINE OIL CHANGES I GUESS THAT WAS ABOUT THE UH THE LAST LAST MAJOR THING THAT WE'VE HAD DONE TO THE CAR I SEE WELL THAT I HAVE FORGOTTEN UH I I HAVE A LITTLE STATION WAGON THAT I DRIVE TO WORK AND MY HUSBAND HAS A A VAN THAT HE USES IN HIS BUSINESS AND HE HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE TO YOURS JUST I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK OR OR IT CERTAINLY WAS IN THE LAST COME OF WEEKS RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT UH WENT TO GET HIS UH STICKER RENEWED AND HAD A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THE CLIP THAT HOLDS THE UH OH THE MUFFLER PIPES UP HAD BROKEN OR SHEARED OR WHATEVER AND THEY MEASURED THE TREAD AND I DON'T KNOW THEY DID THAT TO THE TIRES WELL SEE I DIDN'T EITHER UNTIL IT HAPPENED +NOISE+ AND HE HAD TO GET TWO NEW ONES TOO SO I'D NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE SO MY MOUTH WAS OPEN WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT RIGHT RIGHT THAT CIRCUHSTANCE WELL I TELL YOU WHAT EVER SINCE THEN I FOUND A STATION THAT UH UH PRETTY CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE THAT YOU KNOW THE GUY IS PRETTY LENIENT ON THE INSPECTION STICKERS SO UH HE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO GET MY BUSINESS I TELL YOU BUT UH WELL YEAH YOU YOU WANT IT YOU WANT THEM TO CHECK WHAT'S WHAT'S NEEDFUL FOR YOUR SAFETY AND SO FORTH BUT THE OTHER SOUNDS LIKE A FLUKE WHEN THEY DIDN'T DO IT THAT'S RIGHT YOU KNOW THAT THE YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHEN YOU WENT IN THE FIRST TIME UH IF THERE WAS IF YOU NEEDED FOUR TIRES OKAY FINE BUT TELL ME ALL AT THE SAME TIME EXACTLY AND UH I DON'T KNOW IT MADE ME SORT OF QUESTION YOU KNOW THEIR THEIR TECHNIQUES FOR TESTING THE CARS SOMEONE THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO GET TO ME AND UH I KNOW THEY PROBABLY WEREN'T BUT THAT'S UH THE OUTLOOK YOU CAN'T HELP FEELING THAT WAY +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT AND PLUS ME BEING A UH NOT A MECHANIC YOU KNOW I I ALWAYS UH HAVE THE FEELING THAT PEOPLE ARE OUT TO GET TO ME AND I DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER YOU KNOW SO +NOISE+ THAT'S YEAH THAT'S A COMMON FEELING I I EMPATHIZE BECAUSE UH I'M REAL GLAD MY HUSBAND KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT CARS BUT WHEN I GO IN I FEEL REALLY AT A LOSS RIGHT OH REALLY +NOISE+ HAVE A PHONE I SEE +NOISE+ AND AND IF WE TAKE MY CAR IN TO BE FIXED HE'LL HE'LL TELL THEM WHAT HE WANTS AND THEN HE'LL STAY WELL WELL CALL MY WIFE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE +NOISE+ AND THEN THEY CALL ME AT WORK BECAUSE HE HE DOESN'T WORK NEAR UH UH DOESN'T HAVE AN OFFICE YEAH A PHONE AND AND SO THEY'LL CALL ME AND SAY WELL MRS PARKER WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD NEWS AND WE'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS THE PROBLEM WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS MORNING IS NOT A PROBLEM BUT THE REAL PROBLEM IS RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT UH AND SO THE ONLY WAY THAT I THE ONLY THING I KNOW TO DO IS IF IF IT SOUNDS PLAUSIBLE I'LL SAY GO AHEAD AND DO IT BUT SAVE ME THE PARTS OR SOMETHING SO I CAN HAVE HIM LOOK AT IT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED US IS HIS BACKGROUND THERE +NOISE+ THAT'S THAT'S SURE UH-HUH I SEE WELL I I WISH I WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING MORE ATTENTION WHEN I WAS OUT MESSING AROUND WITH UH MY DAD WHEN HE WAS UH OUT LOOKING AT THE CARS HE HE'S A PRETTY GOOD LITTLE HANDY MAN BUT UH I I NEVER DID PAY ANY ATTENTION I NEVER REALLY WAS VERY INTERESTED IN CARS SO UH I'M I'M JUST THE TYPE THAT IF IT'S GOT GAS IN IT IT SHOULD IT SHOULD BE GOING AND I NEED TO BE BETTER BECAUSE UH UH WE JUST BOUGHT IT MY WIFE AND I JUST BOUGHT A NEW CAR AND UH YOU KNOW WE WANT TO TAKE REAL GOOD CARE OF IT SO UH UH I'M TRYING TO HAVE THE OIL CHANGED AT THE THE RIGHT TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALL THAT SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT YEAH THAT UH THIRTY OR FORTY DOLLARS YOU HAVE TO PAY EVERY SO MANY MONTHS TO TO KEEP THE THING IN HOPEFULLY GOOD SHAPE BUT UH I I GUESS IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PAY IT OUT NOW THAN A BIG LUHP SUH THAT THE DOWN THE ROAD BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH I ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE BUT I THINK IT WAS MORE TO SHOWOFF YEAH I UNDERSTAND +NOISE+ WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND I BEFORE I WAS MARRIED I WAS TEACHING SCHOOL AND TEACHING DOWN IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST CHANGE A FLAT TIRE RIGHT +NOISE+ RIGHT OH LORD +NOISE+ BETWEEN ARLINGTON WHERE MY FAMILY LIVED AND DOWN THERE AND SO I I ONE DAY I HAD TOLD MY BROTHER I SAID NOW I KNOW EVERYBODY'S SUPPOSE TO CHANGE TIRE NO HELP BUT I SAID I CAN'T DO THAT WILL YOU HELP ME WILL YOU SHOW ME AND SO I HAD IT OUT THERE AND HE WAS HELPING AND MOTHER CAME TO THE DOOR AND SAID LARRY YOU'VE GOT A PHONE CALL SO HE WENT IN TO TALK TO ONE OF HIS MANY FRIENDS AND I I'M THERE I'M THERE WITH THIS TIRE OFF +NOISE+ SO I THOUGHT I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO I CAN DO THIS MYSELF AND SO OH I GUESS I WAS GETTING READY TO START THAT WAS IT IT WASN'T EVEN OFF SO I STARTED JUST TAKING IT OFF JACKING IT UP AND AND SO FORTH AND SOMEHOW OR THE OTHER THE THE JACK SINCE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT OH LORD RIGHT OH +NOISE+ OH LORD HAS THE RATCHET KIND OF THING +NOISE+ AND I REACHED OUT TO GRAB IT AND IT CAUGHT THE THE WEBBING BETWEEN MY THUHB AND MY MY FOREFINGER IT CAUGHT THE AND I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING I FORTUNATELY IT WAS LOSS IT WAS NO LONGER UNDER THE CAR AND I I COULD NOT GET MY MY I COULD JUST SEE ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH THIS JACK ATTACHED TO MY HAND AND I COULDN'T SEE ANYBODY ON THE STREET NOR GAR KIDS ALL OVER SO I WENT TO THE TO THE DOOR AND IT WAS SUHMERTIME THE AIR CONDITIONER WAS ON THE DOOR WAS CLOSED AND I COULDN'T KNOCK BECAUSE I HAD TO HOLD THE JACK WITH THE OTHER HAND +NOISE+ IT JUST TO ME IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO ECONOMIC SENSE TO DO THAT RIGHT IN FACT I UH JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND PUT NEW PLUGS IN BOTH UH MY CAR AN MY WIFE'S CAR UH-HUH AND SO I UH I PRETTY MUCH TRY TO TROUBLESHOOT AND DO EVERYTHING I CAN DO MYSELF BUT I'VE I'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT IN MY LIFE UH YOU KNOW I JUST CREPT OVER FORTY YEARS OLD WHERE I DON'T WANT TO CRAWL UNDERNEATH THE CAR ANYMORE +NOISE+ THAT MAKES SENSE I MEAN IT'S UH I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'VE I'VE JUST REACHED A POINT YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S REAL ROUGH IN THE WINTER TIME HUH YES AND UH SO I TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT UH BY THE TIME FALL RUNS AROUND BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE WINTERS HERE ON THE EAST COAST UH RIGHT +NOISE+ UH-HUH THAT UH I HAVE YOU KNOW THE CAR'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE ENOUGH TO LAST THROUGH THE WINTER AND UH THEN SPRINGTIME I USUALLY END UP GIVING THEM THE UH A TUNE UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE RUNNING WELL AND UH YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE I HAD THE MUFFLER GO OUT ON MY ON MY CAR SHORTLY BEFORE IT WAS REQUIRED TO GO IN MARYLAND THEY HAVE UH EMISSION TESTS AND YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GET YOUR CAR AND GO THROUGH THE EMISSION TEST WELL MY MUFFLER OF COURSE STARTING GOING BAD RIGHT BEFORE I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE EMISSION TEST SO YOU KNOW I HAD TO DO THAT JOB AND OF COURSE THAT WAS BACK IN DECEMBER WHEN IT'S NICE AND COLD OUTSIDE +NOISE+ YES I'M SURE IT WAS BUT THE THING WAS THAT I COULD DO THE JOB MYSELF I MEAN THE PARTS COST ME OH ROUGHLY A HUNDRED DOLLARS UH-HUH UH IF I'D TAKEN IT SOMEPLACE AND HAVE IT DONE IT WAS GOING TO BE THREE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE RIGHT NOW LIKE WHO'S GOT THAT EXTRA TWO AND A QUARTER +NOISE+ I KNOW I DON'T YEAH WELL THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY HE FEELS IS THAT HE REALLY HATES TO SPEND THE TIME IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME IF HE IF HE THINKS IT'S GOING TO BE TWO HOURS IT'S FOUR IF YOU KNOW WHATEVER IT ALWAYS TAKES HIM TWICE AS LONG BUT THEN WHEN HE'S FINISHED HE'S HE ALWAYS SAYS WELL NOW YOU OWE ME THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS +NOISE+ AND THEN HE THINKS THAT HE HAS THE MONEY THAT THAT HE CAN SPEND ON SOMETHING AND HE HASN'T GIVEN IT TO SOMEONE ELSE YEAH SO HE GETS SOME SATISFACTION OUT OF THAT ALTHOUGH GENERALLY I THINK HE HE DOES NOT LOOK FORWARD TO OR ANTICIPATE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ENJOY TINKERING AROUND ON CARS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AND HE JUST ISN'T ONE OF THEM YEAH I UH I DON'T MIND IT UH THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I HAD MY CORVETTE I MEAN OF COURSE I LOVED IT UH BUT IF YOU KNOW I'VE GOT OTHER INTERESTS NOW AND THERE'S A LOT OTHER MORE IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK I SHOULD BE DOING WITH MY TIME AND I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM I MEAN YOU CAN TELL HIM FROM ME BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER I MEAN I'VE I'VE HAD GREASY FINGERNAILS FOR YEARS +NOISE+ AND IT STILL TAKES ME TWICE AS LONG AS I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO THE JOB YEAH SO BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT UH WHEN YOU OWN THE CAR YOU TAKE MORE CARE IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING UH-HUH RIGHT RIGHT AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE RIGHT AND PUT BACK TOGETHER RIGHT AND YOU KNOW I'VE I'VE IN THE PAST I'VE HAD BRAKE JOBS DONE BY SOMEONE THAT WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT SOME MONTHS LATER I'D FIND SOMETHING DRASTICALLY WRONG WITH IT YOU KNOW LIKE A SPRING THAT WAS PUT IN INCORRECTLY WHICH COULD HAVE RESULTED IN BRAKES FAILING AND ME HAVING AN ACCIDENT YOU KNOW THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND WHEN YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S BEING USED BY YOU KNOW OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF A SITUATION TO COME UP NO UH-HUH AND IT'S VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A MECHANIC THESE DAYS THAT YOU CAN TRUST I ONLY HAVE ONE GUY THAT I KNOW THAT I TRUST TO WORK ON MY CAR AND UH HE'S ABOUT SIXTY MILES FROM HERE AND SO IT AND IF I HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MAJOR THAT I CAN'T HANDLE OR FEEL I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO HANDLE I'LL TAKE IT TO HIM TO DO IT RIGHT YOU KNOW THAT IT'S UH REALLY HAS A BAD REPUTATION IS TO FEEL THAT THAT PEOPLE IN GENERAL FEEL AND HAVE HAVE RIGHTLY SO I THINK BEEN CHEATED MANY TIMES UH-HUH YES AND UH AND WELL I KNOW ONCE WHEN WE HAD A WE USUALLY GAR INSPECTION TIME WE FIND OUT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH OUR CAR BUT UH ONCE THE MUFFLER NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND UH HE HAD LOOKED AT HIM HIMSELF AND BUT WE SAW A COMMERCIAL FOR LIKE FOURTEEN OR TWENTY DOLLARS OR SOMETHING FOR A CHANGE HE SAID THAT'S REALLY REALLY GOOD SO HE WENT IN AND UH BUT WHEN THEY QUOTED HIM A PRICE THEY REALLY WANTED FIFTY OR SOMETHING ANYWAY BUT THE CAR THAT THE MUFFLER PEOPLE HAD UH MY AT LEAST MY HUSBAND FELT THAT THEY HAD DAMAGED THE MUFFLER FURTHER YOU KNOW THEY HAD PUNCTURED A BIG HOLE IN IT WHEN IT REALLY COULD HAVE JUST BEEN PATCHED OR WHATEVER UH-HUH AND SO SINCE THEN I DON'T THINK HE'S EVER EVEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED A YOU KNOW ANY KIND OF JOB HE THOUGHT HE COULD DO HIMSELF BUT I KNOW FROM HIS CHILDHOOD HE SAYS THAT HIS FATHER ALWAYS BUYS AND RESTORES CARS JUST AS ENTERTAINMENT I GUESS AND UH SO KELLY GROWING UP HE HE FELT LIKE THAT THAT WAS A GOOD WAY ON SATURDAY'S THAT HE DEVELOPED A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS FATHER UH-HUH AND SO HE USED THEY USED CAR REPAIRS KIND OF AS A WAY TO HAVE A YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT THEY DID TOGETHER UH-HUH YEAH AND HE THOUGHT THAT TURNED OUT PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW IT HELPED HIM TO UNDERSTAND AND BE FUNCTIONAL NOW AND IT HELPED HIM TO HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP SO THAT'S ONE ONE WAY HE LOOKED AT IT YEAH THAT'S PROBABLY UH UH SOMETHING THAT UH IS IS YOU KNOW IS GOOD FOR BOTH OF THEM I KNOW THAT UH MY OLDER SON I COULD NEVER GET HIM INTERESTED IN CARS AND I COULDN'T YOU KNOW I JUST LIKE YOU KNOW YOU SURE YOU'RE A BOY I MEAN YOUR NOT INTERESTED IN CARS UH-HUH UH-HUH I MEAN HE HE JUST WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM AND UH LATER ON AND LIKE WHEN HE YOU KNOW GREW UP GOT OUT OF THE HOUSE GOT HIS OWN CAR UH HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING TO IT I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I MEAN HE COULDN'T EVEN CHECK THE OIL I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S HOW UNINFORMED HE WAS AND DISINTERESTED AND I GUESS THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE THAT UH YOU KNOW I ALWAYS THOUGHT MAYBE YOU KNOW IF HE TOOK MORE OF AN INTEREST AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING AND MAYBE WE COULD HAVE COMMUNICATED BETTER BUT UH YEAH I I THINK THAT'S GREAT UH-HUH +NOISE+ YEAH IT DIDN'T ALWAYS WORK WELL I FELT UH I FEEL LIKE I COULD MYSELF DO SOME THINGS BUT THAT I HAVE ENOUGH RESPONSIBILITY THAT IF I HAVE SOMEONE LIKE MY FATHER WHEN I WAS LIVING AT HOME AND MY HUSBAND THAT'S WILLING TO DO IT I GO AHEAD AND LET THEM DO IT I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO UH YOU KNOW BE A FEMINIST ON THAT ISSUE AND SAY I CAN TAKE CARE OF MY OWN THINGS I'M I'M HAPPY TO LET THEM RUN THE CARS BECAUSE I HAVE SO MANY OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT UH SO I HAVEN'T TRIED TO DO A LOT MYSELF UH I TRAINED MY UH MY WIFE IN THE IN IN DOING THINGS IN FACT UH WHEN I UH FIRST TRANSFERRED DOWN TO UH TEXAS INSTRUHENTS BACK IN NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN UH-HUH UH UH WHEN I LEFT HERE UH SHE HAD TO CHANGE A SET OF PLUGS ON THE CAR +NOISE+ UH-HUH BECAUSE SHE WAS UP HERE FOR A MONTH OR SO AFTER I WAS AND UH IT WAS AN INTERESTING EXPERIENCE FOR HER I MEAN SHE'D ALWAYS ASSISTED ME AND DONE SOME OTHER THINGS BUT FOR HER TO ACTUALLY GET IN THERE AND DO IT HERSELF IT WAS UH IT WAS SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT IT'S A GOOD EXPERIENCE IT HELPS YOU FEEL I THINK COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR CAR AND FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT SO SCARY IF UH YOUR DRIVING IT AND YOU MIGHT GET STRANDED SOMEWHERE THAT YOU MIGHT YOU THINK WELL I'VE I'VE BEEN UNDER THAT HOOD AND I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BUT UH-HUH YEAH YEAH I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE KNOW YOU KNOW BASICALLY HOW HOW THE DARN ENGINE WORKS IT HELPS YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT UH-HUH YOU KNOW I'VE I'VE BEEN OUT WITH MY SISTER BEFORE WHEN YOU KNOW HER CAR DIED ON THE HIGHWAY AND I HAPPENED TO BE WITH HER AND MANAGED TO GET HER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS DARK AND ALL OKAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UH CAR REPAIR THE LAST CAR REPAIR I HAD DONE ON MINE WAS LAST FEBRUARY IT WAS UH UH GAR MY CAR WAS INSPECTED AND THEN THEY SAID THAT THE BRAKES WEREN'T ADJUSTED PROPERLY AND I HAD TO GO HAVE IT UH ADJUSTED AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY NEEDED REPAIR AND IT COST LIKE THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO HAVE THAT THE BRAKES YEAH FOR THE BRAKES WHAT UH WHAT DID YOU HAVE TO HAVE DONE TO THE WITH THE BRAKES OH I DON'T KNOW THEY THEY HAD A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS TURNED AND THAT YOU KNOW REFINISHED I DON'T KNOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS MY PERSONALLY WHICH IS ONE REASON WHY I DON'T TRUST THE AUTO REPAIRMEN I GUESS UH THESE CAR GAR PLACES BUT UH I HATE TO TAKE IT ANYTIME BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE GOING YOU KNOW SAY OH YOU NEED THIS YOU NEED THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE BOOK UH SO I DON'T KNOW GAR I HAVEN'T HAD A TERRIBLY GOOD EXPERIENCE A LOT OF TIMES WITH CAR REPAIR PLACES UH YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS LIVING IN CALIFORNIA I WENT TO MY MY MY CLUTCH CABLE HAD POPPED ON MY CAR THE CLUTCH HAD BROKEN OR SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG SO I TOOK IT TO UH UH TRANSMISSION SHOP UH NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED NAME AND UH THEY HAD SAID UH WELL THEY HE CALLED ME BACK THAT AFTERNOON AND THEY SAID OH YEAH YOU NEED THIS YOU NEED THAT YOUR TRANSMISSION'S FAULTY AND ALL THIS AND IT WAS LIKE YOU KNOW SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS JEEZ AND I SAID WAIT THE CAR'S NOT WORTH THAT MUCH IT'S IT'S UH AN EIGHT YEAR OLD CAR AND IT'S NOT WORTH THAT MUCH UH OLD JUST HAVE TO DO LATER I SAID I DON'T DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT BECAUSE I'M I'M NOT WORTH THAT MUCH MONEY ON IT AND I WENT THERE AFTER WORK MY WIFE AND I WENT THERE AFTER WORK AND UH THEY HAD THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND TAKEN APART UH-HUH SO I TOLD THE GUY I SAID YOU KNOW I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THIS I SAID YOU PUT IT BACK TOGETHER I'M TAKING IT HOME AND THE GUY SAID WELL IT WILL HAVE TO BE ANOTHER DAY BEFORE WE GET IT PUT BACK TOGETHER +NOISE+ I STARTED TO GO GET A LAWYER UH-HUH YOU KNOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE ANYTHING AND SO HE WENT AND GOT HIS MANAGER AND THE MANAGER CAME OUT AND SAYS I'LL GIVE YOU THE PARTS AT COST I'LL GIVE YOU THE LABOR FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND SO FOR TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS WE'LL DO IT ALL FOR YOU OH REALLY YEAH SO I THOUGHT WELL HE'LL MEET ME HALFWAY I'LL MEET HIM HALFWAY SO IT ALL THIS WORK DONE FOR LIKE TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS BUT STILL YOU KNOW THE ELEMENT OF TRUST WAS GONE AT THAT POINT YEAH THAT'S THEIR WAY OF CAPTURING YOUR POCKETBOOK I GUESS FOR THOSE WHO ARE LEAST SUSPECTING A LOT OF REGARDS I MEAN UH ACTUALLY YOU PROBABLY HAD A BETTER DEAL THAT WAY UH-HUH YEAH IT WAS I'M SURE IT WAS SO I GOT MY UH TRANSMISSION FIXED GAR ALL MY CLUTCH UH JUST THE OTHER DAY MY CLUTCH CABLE HAD HAD POPPED AGAIN AND UH LAST YEAR I I TOOK IT MY CAR TO A FRIEND OF MINE TO HAVE THE OIL CHANGED HE WORKED AT A AT A CAR LUBE PLACE AND UH I ASKED HIM IF HE COULD ADJUST THE CLUTCH ANY BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF LOOSE AND HE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID SURE HE PULLED THE CLUTCH CABLE OUT FROM INSIDE THE ENGINE AREA AND PULLED THE CLIP OUT THAT WAS GAR ATTACHED TO IT AND PUT IT BACK FURTHER ON ON THE CABLE WELL IT WAS FINE SO I WATCHED REAL CAREFULLY AND AND THEN MY CLUTCH CABLE BROKE UH I WENT AND UH I GOT A NEW UH CLIP THAT I HAD WITH ME I BOUGHT AN EXTRA ONE AND I JUST WENT THERE AND REPLACED IT AND WAS BACK MOVING AGAIN WITHIN THREE MINUTES AND THERE I WAS STUCK ON THE ROAD RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC BUT I MANAGED TO GET IT GOING AGAIN RELATIVELY QUICKLY BECAUSE I KNEW I WATCHED WHAT HE DID AND GAR REALLY FAST AND YOU KNOW I JUST FIGURED THAT IF I'D TAKEN IT SOMEPLACE THEY WOULD HAVE SAID OH YOU NEED A NEW CLUTCH CABLE AND THIS AND THAT AND YOU KNOW TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS LATER THERE IT IS YOU KNOW GEE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T HAVE MUCH TRUST IN THOSE PEOPLE BUT HOW ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES YEAH WELL I GENERALLY TRY TO FIND MY OWN PERSONAL CAR MECHANICS UH RATHER THAN TAKING IT TO A SHOP I'M KIND OF LIKE YOU IT'S UH I KIND OF EQUATE THEM WITH SOME BAD DENTISTS YEAH WHO TRY TO FIND PROBLEMS IN YOUR TEETH WHICH I HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE AND UH THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT SO I BETTER STAY ON CARS +NOISE+ YEAH +NOISE+ BUT THE LAST PROBLEM I HAD WITH MY VEHICLE WAS A UH FUEL PUHP THAT NEEDED REPLACING AND THAT'S ALL THE MAJOR PROBLEMS I'VE HAD FOR A VEHICLE THAT'S GOT EIGHTY NINE THOUSAND MILES WHAT KIND OF CAR YOU GOT IT'S A NISSAN OKAY THAT EXPLAINS IT YEAH I'VE GOT AN AMERICAN MADE CAR +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH THAT'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME I'VE I'M GOING TO UH I WOULD EVENTUALLY LIKE TO GET INTO AN AMERICAN CAR BUT RIGHT NOW THIS ONE'S DOING FINE FOR ME YEAH BUT THEN THE OTHER PROBLEM TOO IS JUST A FUEL FILTER AND THE FUEL PUHP AND I'VE HAD TO REPLACE A SET OF TIRES A COUPLE TIMES BUT THAT WAS DUE TO QUIRKS UH IF YOU EVER HAVE A FLAT TIRE UH-HUH DON'T EVER HAVE IT PLUGGED HAVE A PATCH PUT ON IT OKAY BECAUSE THOSE PLUGS WEAR EVENTUALLY WILL WEAR OUT ALL FOUR OF YOUR TIRES OH IS THAT RIGHT YEAH BECAUSE IT CAUSES AN UNEVENNESS IN THE RUBBER AND UH THAT HAPPENED TO ME TWICE BEFORE I CAUGHT ON WELL ENOUGH TO WHAT HAPPENED HUH I HAD ONE TIRE UH PLUGGED AFTER A FLAT AND SOMEHOW THE UNEVENNESS OF THE PLUG JUST CAUSED ALL THE OTHER THREE TIRES TO WEAR OUT HUH THAT'S ODD THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THOUGH SO ALWAYS HAVE A PATCH PUT ON IT'S IT'S HAPPENED TO ME TWICE AND THAT'S ENOUGH YEAH IT IS +NOISE+ THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH WELL OTHER THAN THAT THAT'S THE MAJOR PROBLEMS I'VE HAD I USED TO CHANGE MY OWN OIL AND FILTER BUT I GOT TIRED OF THAT SO I LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT +NOISE+ YEAH I DO THAT MYSELF I MEAN I I TAKE IT FOR GAR FOR FOR EIGHTEEN DOLLARS THEY'LL MESS WITH THE OIL AND THEY'LL MESS WITH GETTING THE THINGS OFF AND ALL THAT YOU KNOW AND IT'S JUST IT PROBABLY COSTS ME AT LEAST SIX SEVEN EIGHT DOLLARS TO DO IT MYSELF I FIGURE FOR AN EXTRA TEN DOLLARS LET THEM TAKE CARE OF IT YEAH YOU'RE YOU'RE SAVING ABOUT UH TEN BUCKS BY DOING IT YOURSELF BUT WHAT THE HECK IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT YEAH UH I'D RATHER CHANGE IT MYSELF BUT I DON'T HAVE THE FACILITIES WELL ENOUGH ALL THE TIME YEAH THAT'S RIGHT SO THAT'S THE ONLY MAJOR PROBLEMS YOU'VE HAD THEN WHO ME YEAH OH MY CLUTCH HAS GOTTEN OUT A COUPLE TIMES AND UH WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE A CHEVETTE CHEVETTE YEAH YEAH LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE HAVE I HAD DONE UH ONE DAY I WAS DRIVING WITH MY DAD AND THE UH HE WAS DRIVING IN FACT AND THE UH UH STICK SHIFT CAME OUT IN HIS HAND GAR DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD +NOISE+ GEE WHIZ IT JUST TOTALLY DISENGAGED ITSELF AND YOU KNOW OF COURSE THEN WE HAD NO WAY OF OF DOING ANYTHING AT THAT POINT WE HAD TO TOW IT HOME AND UH AND ALL THAT AND IT WAS LIKE GOOD GRIEF AND THE CAR WAS NEW AT THAT POINT IT WAS ONLY LIKE A YEAR OR SO OLD UH-HUH UH-HUH UH AND UH OTHER THINGS WERE GOING OUT ON IT YOU KNOW AND THESE REPAIR PEOPLE SAY OH YOU NEED NEED YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR THIS AND YOUR THAT'S GONE OUT AND IT'S LIKE GOOD GRIEF I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY DO SO HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO TRUST THEM I DON'T KNOW YEAH THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS SOMEHOW THROUGH YOUR OWN NETWORK AND THE FRIENDS FIND UH MECHANIC THROUGH THEM YEAH THAT'S ALL I CAN DO THAT THEY TRUST AND AND THEN I'M SURE THAT THAT MECHANIC'S NOT GOING TO UH DO YOU IN THROUGH THEIR RECOMMENDATION YEAH I WAS UH I HAD MY CAR TAKEN IN UH TO HAVE THE OIL CHANGED AT THE THE PLACE ACROSS FROM THE T_I PLANT IN LEWISVILLE AND UH THEY TOLD ME HE SAYS OH YOUR YOUR BELTS ARE ALL WORN OUT AND THEY NEED TO BE REDONE UH IT BE LIKE FIFTY DOLLARS SO I THOUGHT IS THAT RIGHT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT HAVING SEEN THAT THEY'RE THAT BAD SO I TOOK IT TO A FRIEND OF MINE'S HOUSE AND HE LOOKED AT THEM HE TOOK THE BELTS OFF AND LOOKED AT THEM AND HE SAYS NO THEY'RE NOT CRACKED OR ANYTHING THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION ALL I HAD TO DO IS TIGHTEN THEM A LITTLE BIT THEY NEED LITTLE BIT OF TIGHTENING NOW WHAT WAS IT IT WAS SOME BELTS THE BELTS UH-HUH THAT NEEDED TO BE TIGHTENED THEY YOU KNOW THEY WERE KIND OF LOOSE AND SO BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED UH-HUH SO YEAH I I KNOW THIS GUY THAT'S A CAR MECHANIC AND HE TOLD ME I TOLD HIM MY BELTS ARE SLIPPING A LITTLE BIT AND HE SAID THEY'LL LAST FOREVER ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS JUST TIGHTEN THEM YEAH YEAH UH GAR TAKING HIS CAR IN TO BE WORKED ON AND THEY DID SOMETHING WITH THE BELTS AND THEY WHEN THEY TOOK THE OLD BELT OFF THEY CUT IT UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH AND LOOKS LIKE IT'S A STANDARD DEAL EASIEST WAY TO GET IT OFF AND UH THEY JUST LET IT HANG WHERE IT WAS BASICALLY INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING IT OFF AND THROWING IT AWAY AND WHEN HE GOT HOME HE NOTICED SOME STRANGE SOUNDS GAR OPENED IT UP AND LOOKED IN THERE AND THERE WAS THE OLD BELT WRAPPED AROUND ONE OF THE UH AXLE THINGS IN THERE GAR TOOK HIM A HALF HOUR TO CUT IT OFF GAR IT TOTALLY ENGAGED ITSELF AROUND THE THING AND BOY WAS HE HE BOY WAS HE IRATE HUH UH-HUH WHICH I DON'T BLAME HIM YOU KNOW HE'LL I THINK HE WENT BACK AND SHOWED IT TO THEM AND REALLY CHEWED THEM OUT FOR IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT YOU KNOW IF YOUR GOING TO CUT IT OFF JUST GRAB IT TAKE IT THROW IT AWAY IT'S SIMPLE UH-HUH OH WELL THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY YEAH YEAH UH I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH PROBLEMS SO WITH MY VEHICLE KNOCK ON WOOD +NOISE+ EXCUSE ME I JUST REMEMBER A SEVENTY NINE CHEVY NOVA THAT I ONCE HAD NEVER AGAIN YEAH THAT WAS A DEFINITE LEMON OH I GOT RID OF THAT ONE AFTER IT COST ME MEGABUCKS YEAH THAT'S WHAT YEAR MINE IS SO THAT'S A PROMISE GAR MINE'S STILL RUNNING IT'S TWELVE YEARS OLD AND IT'S GOT UH SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND MILES ON IT NOW SO IT'S NOT BAD NO NOT THAT MUCH SO UH HAVE YOU GOT ANY REPAIRS DONE BY AUTO SHOPS ON YOUR CAR OR DO YOU DO MAINTENANCE WORK OR WHAT I UH TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN AND UH WE HAVE TWO VEHICLES UH AND UH ON THE HONDA WHICH IS THE +NOISE+ OLDER VEHICLE I TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS I CAN ON THAT ON OUR NEWER ONE UH UH MINI VANS IT'S ALL ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTERS AND EVERYTHING IN IT UH-HUH STILL STILL UNDER WARRANTEE RIGHT YEAH UH WELL SOME THINGS ARE SOME THINGS AREN'T YOU KNOW YEAH NOT EVERYTHING'S COVERED BY +NOISE+ WARRANTEE I DON'T TRY TO MESS WITH THAT AT ALL I MEAN I I CAN CHANGE THE OIL AND DO YOU DO ANY UH BODY WORK ON THE HONDA UH NO NO I DO HAVE A PLACE THAT'S RUSTING I NEED TO GET SOMETHING ON IT YEAH PUT SOME PAINT ON IT OR SOMETHING TO STOP THE RUST LIKE SCRAPE IT AND PAINT IT YEAH SCRAPE IT AND PAINT IT PUT PRIMER ON IT THEN PAINT IT RIGHT RIGHT DON'T PUT PAINT OVER ELSE IT'LL JUST CONTINUE RUSTING UNDER +NOISE+ RIGHT I KNOW IF YOU DON'T GET THE RUST OFF THAT'S THERE ALREADY THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE ON BUT YEAH I'M JUST SITTING HERE LOOKING AT MY HONDA MANUAL WHEN I GOT YOUR CALL I GOT THE SO YOU YOU'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT IT YEAH YEAH RIGHT +NOISE+ THE UH DO YOU SO YOU CHANGE LIKE YOU CHANGE YOUR OWN OIL AND OIL FILTERS YEAH YEAH I DO MY OWN BRAKE BRAKE WORK ON THE HONDA I JUST FINISHED FINISHED WORKING ON THE BRAKES I I MEAN I YEAH I I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BECAUSE I DO THE I DO THE MINOR THINGS TO MY CAR THAT BUT I DON'T RIGHT EXACTLY I WAS ABOUT TO SAY RIGHT RIGHT NOT THE THINGS I KNOW HOW TO DO I I'M NOT AN EXPERT I DON'T CLAIM TO BE UH-HUH RIGHT YEAH I JUST DO WHAT I CAN I DON'T REALLY YOU KNOW I DON'T IT'S LIKE THE SIMPLE THINGS CHANGING THE OIL CHECKING THE FLUIDS YOU KNOW ROTATING TIRES THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU DON'T NEED HEAVY EQUIPMENT FOR RIGHT SEEMS ANYMORE YOU NEED SPECIAL TOOLS TO DO A LOT OF JOBS YOU KNOW AND AND I'M AFRAID I'LL GET SOMETHING TAKE IT TAKEN APART AND NOT REMEMBER HOW TO +NOISE+ GET IT BACK TOGETHER AND THEN I'D BE IN BIG TROUBLE YEAH I DO KNOW A COUPLE GOOD SHADE TREE MECHANICS AND I CALL THEM ONCE IN A WHILE FOR ADVICE AND ONCE IN A WHILE THEY'LL COME OVER AND SAY OH THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT YOU KNOW AND I TRY TO LEARN +NOISE+ YEAH BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO DO MAINTENANCE FROM WHETHER THEIR FATHER DID IT YOU KNOW MY DAD DIDN'T DO MUCH AT ALL AND HE DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT CARS AND AS A RESULT I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH INTEREST TO LEARN HOW TO MAINTAIN FIX AND MAINTAIN CARS SO I DIDN'T LEARN MUCH GROWING UP AND I JUST AFTER I WE BOUGHT THE CARS YOU KNOW AND THINGS GOT SO EXPENSIVE TO TAKE THEM SOMEPLACE ALL THE TIME THAT I DECIDED THAT I BETTER START LEARNING YOU KNOW RIGHT YEAH BECAUSE THINGS GO WRONG AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON AND YOU DON'T YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START THAT'S RIGHT AND THAT'S WHERE IT COSTS MONEY WELL YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHEN I CALL SOME FRIENDS OR SOMETHING OR SOMETIMES I JUST TAKE IT TO A PLACE YOU KNOW AND THEY'LL TELL ME WHAT'S WRONG AND I'LL SAY AND I'LL SAY OH IT'LL BE THIS MUCH MONEY AND I'LL SAY OH WELL I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE TOO MUCH +NOISE+ YEAH RIGHT NOW AND SO YOU KNOW I GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT SO THEY'LL PUT IT BACK TOGETHER +NOISE+ I'LL TAKE IT HOME AND THEN I'LL FIX IT MYSELF SOMETIMES THEY CHARGE YOU YOU KNOW IF IT'S A DIAGNOSIS PROBLEM RIGHT THOSE ARE ELECTRONICAL DIAGNOSTICS SOME PLACES DO SOME DON'T RIGHT +NOISE+ JUST DEPENDS YOU KNOW HOW LONG HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO FIGURE IT OUT IF THEY CAN JUST TELL RIGHT AWAY BY JUST LISTENING TO IT AND THEN THEY'RE USUALLY GOING TO CHARGE YOU YOU KNOW YEAH I HAVE A A FUEL INJECTED ENGINE SO I DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THE ENGINE YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE RIGHT THEY'RE PRETTY TRICKY UH-HUH I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH IT BECAUSE SINCE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ALL THE RATIOS YOU KNOW AND EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE PROPORTIONS THE FUEL AND AIR AND COMPRESSION AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE PRECISE AND IT'S CONTROLLED BY COMPUTER I FIGURE I WON'T MESS WITH THAT +NOISE+ RIGHT THAT'S HOW I FIGURE ON THOSE THINGS IT'S JUST NOT WORTH THE +NOISE+ WORTH IT +NOISE+ BUT I MEAN I PLAY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT TOO SERIOUS YOU KNOW YOU CAN BEND IT ONE WAY AND YOU BEND IT RIGHT BACK OR YOU KNOW TURN IT +NOISE+ RIGHT RIGHT JUST AS LONG AS AS LIKE YOU WERE SAYING IT'S NOT TOO HARD TO TAKE APART AND PUT BACK TOGETHER +NOISE+ I'LL TRY IT UH-HUH RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE TWO CARS I'M NOT AS SCARED TO PLAY WITH PLAY AROUND BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OTHER CAR SEEMS LIKE I BEFORE I WOULD GET THE CAR ALL APART AND REALIZE I NEEDED A PART YOU KNOW AND SO I'M CALLING ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND STUFF TRYING TO GET THEM TO GIVE ME A RIDE DOWN TO GET MY PART YOU KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER CAR +NOISE+ SO NOW THAT WE HAVE TWO CARS I I'M NOT I'M LESS LEERY ABOUT JUST GOING FOR IT HAVE YOU HAD ANY BODY WORK DONE ON YOUR CAR UH NO NO I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEM THAT STUFF IS EXPENSIVE YEAH THAT YEAH I KNOW I HAD AN ESTIMATE FOR THAT LITTLE RUST SPOT AND THEY WANTED LIKE THREE HUNDRED BUCKS I SAID +NOISE+ I CAN LIVE WITH IT YOU KNOW IF THE CAR'S TEN YEARS OLD YEAH I WENT I WENT UH I GOT IN A WRECK RECENTLY AND UH WELL I DIDN'T DO MUCH DAMAGE TO MY CAR BUT I DID SOME PRETTY HEAVY DUTY DAMAGE TO THE OTHER CAR I HAVE A PLASTIC BUHPER AND I HAPPENED TO HIT THE RIM OF THE TIRE SO IT MADE LIKE A LITTLE SEMICIRCULAR INCISION ON MY PLASTIC BUHPER ON YOUR PLASTIC BUHPER RIGHT AND AND AND KIND OF PUT LITTLE FISSURES ON THE ON THE PAINT OF THE BUHPER BECAUSE IT'S PLASTIC SO WHEN IT BENT YOU KNOW WHEN THE PLASTIC BENT IT KIND OF CRACKED RIGHT TO TO CHANGE THAT BUHPER COVERING +NOISE+ OF THE PLASTIC COVER WAS GOING TO RUN ME FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS WHOA THAT'S ON THE OTHER CAR OR YOUR CAR IS THAT RIGHT ON MY CAR THAT JUST TO CHANGE THE COVER YOU KNOW BECAUSE DO JUST HAD TO GET THE THAT WHOLE COVER MY MY CAR'S A BERETTA UH-HUH THEY HAD A BIG BIG BUHPER THEY GOT ON THERE BIG WHITE BUHPER THAT COVERS LIKE THE WHOLE BOTTOM FRONT OF THE CAR THAT THAT WHOLE THING YOU KNOW TO BE REPLACED AND REPAINTED WOULD COST FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND I GOT THIS GUY TO UH TO THIS THIS UH COMPANY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER HEARD OF MAACO AUTO BODY SHOP YEAH I'VE HEARD OF THEM THE CHAIN IS THAT RIGHT I GOT THE I TALKED TO THE OWNER AND HE SAID THAT THE BEST THING TO DO IF I WANTED TO SAVE MONEY WAS UH TO JUST GO AHEAD AND SINCE THERE WAS NO MAJOR DAMAGE HE COULD JUST KIND OF LIKE FILL IN THE LITTLE RIDGES WHERE THE WHERE THE UH RIM HIT WITH SOME LIKE BONDO OR SOMETHING AND THEN PAINT OVER IT AND IT WOULD LOOK JUST LIKE NEW FOR ONLY TWO HUNDRED BUCKS SO I DID THAT INSTEAD BUT AND IT YOU CAN'T TELL YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE YOU KNOW IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A BRAND NEW BUHPER UH-HUH UH-HUH AND IT HEY I SAVED THREE HUNDRED BUCKS +NOISE+ YEAH WELL YOU'RE A STUDENT RIGHT RIGHT SO THAT'S IMPORTANT +NOISE+ VERY IMPORTANT YEAH YEAH IT SEEMS ANYMORE THE CARS ARE THEY WANT SO MUCH TO WORK ON A CAR THEY WE'VE HAD OUR CAR IN THE DEALER OR OUR VAN AND THEY WANT THEY CHARGE LIKE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS AN HOUR LABOR I THINK GOLLY THAT'S YEAH I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS ISN'T IT YEAH I I FORTY FIVE DOLLARS I MEAN +NOISE+ PEOPLE PEOPLE GET OUT OF COLLEGE AND WORK FOR LESS THAN THAT UH +NOISE+ YEAH RIGHT WELL THE MECHANIC DOESN'T SEE THAT YOU KNOW IT'S THE OWNER OR THE DEALER WHO SEES WHO SEES THE BIG BUCKS MECHANIC PROBABLY GETS ABOUT +NOISE+ TWENTY DOLLARS AN HOUR SO YEAH THE THING ABOUT AUTOMOBILES THEY'RE SO UNPREDICTABLE TOO YOU KNOW THEY'RE HARD TO HARD TO PLAN AHEAD FOR FOR THINGS UH-HUH YEAH LIKE THAT COMMERCIAL THAT YOU PLAN FOR UH THE CAR NEW CAR SECOND GARAGE BUT YOU DIDN'T PLAN ON BREAKING DOWN +NOISE+ RIGHT EVER SEE THAT COMMERCIAL NO I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ONE IT'S IT'S PRETTY GOOD IT'S I THINK IT'S UH A BANK COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND UH IT JUST KIND OF FLASHES OUT THESE UH PARTIAL SENTENCES LIKE YOU PLANNED ON AND IT SAYS A NEW GARAGE SECOND CAR AND THEN ALL A SUDDEN THE MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND CHANGES AND IT SAYS BUT YOU DIDN'T PLAN ON IT BREAKING DOWN +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE I MEAN IT'S HARD TO YOU KNOW IT'S HARD TO SAY OH I SHOULD SET ASIDE THIS MUCH MONEY FOR REPAIRS ON CARS BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW IT COULD COST YOU NOTHING OR IT COULD COST YOU THREE TIMES AS MUCH YEAH IT'S HARD TO PLAN FOR THOSE THINGS +NOISE+ AND WHEN YOU NEED TO HAVE IT FIXED YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE IT ALL OVER TOWN IF IT UH YOU KNOW YEAH THAT'S TRUE SOMETIME YOU CAN BUT ON SOME THINGS IT'S YOU'RE JUST STUCK AND YOU GOT TO HAVE IT TOWED SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING YOU JUST GOT TO +NOISE+ GOT TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW I DON'T TRUST A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK ON YOUR CARS TOO I KNOW THIS ONE GUY THAT WORKS FOR DEALERSHIPS AS A YOU KNOW THEY AT DEALERSHIPS THEY REPLACE THINGS THEY DON'T FIX THINGS THAT'S THAT'S UH THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT DEALERSHIPS IS YOU DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU GET THE REAL QUALITY WORK AT +NOISE+ DEALERSHIPS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH SO MANY CARS IT JUST KIND OF RIGHT SO THEY'D JUST RATHER REPLACE SOMETHING AND CHARGE YOU FOR THE NEW PART RATHER THAN JUST YOU KNOW FIXING THE PART RIGHT AND THE PART COULD BE PROBABLY FIXED YOU KNOW FOR A THIRD OF THE PRICE OF OF A NEW ONE BUT THEY THAT'S DEALERS DON'T DO THAT +NOISE+ YEAH THEY WANT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN OH SURE SURE THEY DO AND THEN THEY TAKE YOUR OLD PART AND SELL IT TO SOME RECONDITIONING HOUSE AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT TOO YOU KNOW SO ANYWAYS WELL WE GOT TO GOT TO HAVE CARS IN THIS SOCIETY NOT LIKE UH EUROPE AND JAPAN AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE THEY HAVE GOOD ENOUGH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WHERE YOU CAN JUST GET ANYWHERE YOU NEED NEED NEED TO GO ANYTIME YOU NEED TO GET THERE YEAH YEAH BUT I THINK YEAH I THINK UH I THINK PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WILL MOVE UP THOUGH IN THE FUTURE WELL I HOPE SO I MEAN I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH PHASED OUT THE BUS RIGHT UH-HUH BUT I THINK MAYBE UH YOU KNOW UH LIKE SUBWAYS YOU KNOW PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SUCH AS SUBWAYS AND MONORAILS WILL PROBABLY COME IN RIGHT RIGHT BUT IT IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE I THINK BUT RIGHT WELL YEAH I MEAN NOT NOTHING LIKE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS BUT MORE LIKE IN THE NEXT FIFTY TO A HUNDRED +NOISE+ YEAH IF I HAD A CAR UH UH A BUS BUS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THE LAST THING I'VE DONE AS FAR AS CAR REPAIRS GO IS IS CHANGE OIL AND FILTER AN AND THAT KIND OF STUFF I HAVEN'T GOTTEN REALLY INVOLVED IN ANYTHING UH EXTENSIVE IN CAR REPAIRS IN OH OH PROBABLY A YEAR OR SO I THINK THE LAST THING I DID OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE WAS CHANGE THE WATER PUHP ON AN OLDSMOBILE YEAH I HAD A SIMILAR THING THAT I'VE WORKED ON CARS EVER SINCE I WAS UH A KID +NOISE+ AND THAT WAS SOME TIME AGO BUT I'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE UH THE NEWER CARS ARE GETTING SO COMPLICATED TO WORK ON THAT UH OH MOST OF THE CARS I BUY I TRY TO BUY AS SIMPLE A CAR AS POSSIBLE YEAH I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN SO YOU KNOW CHANGING THE OIL CHANGING THE SPARK PLUGS AND MOST OF THEM NOW YOU KNOW YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THE IGNITION STUFF ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL SOLID STATE OR YEAH OR FUEL INJECTED AND SO THERE'S YEAH OR FUEL INJECTED SO THERE GOES THE CARBURETOR AND IF THE FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT OH YEAH YEAH BASICALLY THAT'S IT NO THERE'S NO WAY SOMEBODY ONCE SAID UH I HAD A CAR THAT SAID FUEL INJECTION ON THE SIDE OF IT AND A WOMAN ASKED ME WHAT THAT MEANT AND I SAID THAT MEANS THAT I CAN'T WORK ON IT YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOTTEN SO COMPLICATED OR SO HIGH TECH THAT UH THE GUYS AVERAGE GUYS CAN'T REALLY GO OUT IN THE IN THE GARAGE AND DO A WHOLE LOT OF REPAIRS UH YEAH ABSOLUTELY YEAH I'VE GOT UH AN EIGHTY FOUR CHEVY VAN THAT'S UH A ONE TON VAN WITH A CAMPER CONVERSION ON IT IT'S GOT THE THE THE GOOD OLD THREE FIFTY STANDARD ENGINE IN IT REGULAR GAS ENGINE AND THAT ENGINE I UNDERSTAND I CAN I CAN ACTUALLY WORK ON THAT ENGINE YEAH UH-HUH RIGHT YEAH I USED TO HAVE UH CHEVY VAN IT WAS A SHORT VAN THAT HAD THE THE THREE FIFTY IN IT AND BASICALLY IT IT WAS A MOTOR AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE OTHER JUNK AROUND IT AND YOU COULD GET TO IT TO WORK ON IT YEAH I HAD TO CHANGE THE WATER PUHP IN THAT HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS REALLY FAIRLY EASY TAKE THE GRILL OUT AND THE RADIATOR OUT AND YOU CAN JUST STAND THERE AND WORK ON IT YEAH THE HARDEST PART ABOUT UH WATER PUHP CHANGES IS GETTING ALL THE JUNK OFF BEFORE YOU CAN GET TOO IT WELL THAT'S TRUE +NOISE+ YOU'RE RIGHT YOU KNOW BY THE TIME YOU'VE FINALLY GOT DOWN TO IT I WAS HOPING I COULD REMEMBER WHERE ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS WENT WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I WAS I TRIED TO REMEMBER AS I TOOK STUFF OFF WHERE IT WENT AND I DON'T THINK I HAD TOO MANY NUTS AND BOLTS LEFT OVER WHEN I GOT IT ALL PUT BACK TOGETHER OH YEAH A FEW YEARS AGO I HAD AN OLDSMOBILE DIESEL AND UH THE UH IT AFTER ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES THE INJECTOR PUHP WENT OUT ON IT AND UH I BOUGHT IT WHEN WE WERE LIVING IN LUBBOCK WHEN I CAME BACK HERE I BROUGHT THE CAR BACK HERE AND UH I DON'T KNOW DIESELS GOT PRETTY UNPOPULAR AND YOU COULDN'T SELL THE I MEAN THOUGH FOR WHAT YOU COULD GET FOR ONE YOU MIGHT AS WELL DRIVE IT OVER A CLIFF AND UH THE INJECTOR PUHP WENT BAD SO I FOUND A OUTFIT DOWN HERE TO REBUILD IT YEAH AND UH REINSTALLED THAT AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST MISERABLE THINGS I HAD GOTTEN INTO IN A LONG TIME I DON'T THINK I'D KNOW WHERE TO START WITH A DIESEL OH WELL IT YOU KNOW DIESELS DON'T REQUIRE MECHANICS THEY REQUIRE PLUHBERS WELL THAT'S TRUE AND UH +NOISE+ YEAH I THINK THE CLOSEST THING I'VE COME TO TO A DIESEL IS I'VE WORKED FOR A TRACTOR REPAIR SHOP UH WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND UH WE USED TO OVERHAUL FARM TRACTORS BASICALLY AND THEY WERE NEARLY ALL ALL DIESEL BUT AS FAR AS CARS I'VE NEVER NEVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH THEM WELL THE INJECTOR NOZZLE AND STUFF IN YOU KNOW THE BIG DIESEL FARM TRACTORS YOU KNOW WHAT ARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF YOUR THUHB AND WELL YEAH AND YOU YOU CAN GET TO THEM YEAH YOU CAN GET TO THEM AND THE ONES IN IN THE DIESEL CARS WERE LITTLE TINY THINGS AND JUST ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH WELL I YEAH I'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD SERVICE OUT OF THAT CAR BUT UH UH I FINALLY GAVE IT TO MY SON AND HE DROVE IT LITERALLY INTO THE GROUND YOU KNOW +NOISE+ HE WAS OUT AT TECH AND HE HE FINISHED IT OFF I'M I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT THE THE DIESEL HAS ALMOST FALLEN INTO UNPOPULAR STATUS I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY ONE OF THE REASONS IS I I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER IS WHERE DO YOU GET GAS AT I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL UH LIMITED LIKE IT WAS I DON'T NOTICE IT PROBABLY BECAUSE I WHAT THE AVAILABILITY HUH YOU MEAN THE DIESEL AVAILABILITY YEAH I DON'T I DON'T NOTICE BUT MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NOT LOOKING FOR IT YEAH YEAH WELL I'D BOUGHT UH A G_M C DIESEL PICKUP AND UH LOVED THAT THING YOU KNOW I REALLY LIKED IT BUT IT TURNS OUT A PICKUP WASN'T WHAT I REALLY NEEDED AND IT WAS THE VAN THAT I NEEDED THEN TO BUY THE YOU KNOW TRADED IT IN ON THE CHEVY VAN BUT UH SURE ENJOYED IT BUT YOU GOT THE THE THREE FIFTY IN THE VAN YEAH YEAH THE THREE FIFTY REGULAR GAS ENGINE YEAH THAT'S WHAT I LIKE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF POWER AND UH UH-HUH WELL THE IF YOU TREAT THEM RIGHT THEY'RE NOT THE GAS GUZZLERS I THINK THAT THEY'VE GOT THE REPUTATION TO BE I'M CONVINCED THAT UH DETROIT OR WHOEVER IT IS MADE A MAJOR MISTAKE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY STOPPED PUTTING THE SMALL V EIGHTS IN AND WENT TO THE FOURS AND SOME OF THE SIXES I'M CONVINCED THAT THE SMALL V EIGHT LIKE THE THE MUSTANG'S ORIGINAL TWO EIGHTY NINE OR SOME OF THE CHEVY TWO EIGHTY THREES UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH WERE GOOD LITTLE V EIGHT ENGINES THAT WERE NOT GAS GUZZLERS BUT THEY HAD ENOUGH POWER PULL ALL THIS WEIGHT AND THE FOUR CYLINDERS JUST DON'T HAVE IT YEAH I THINK THAT LITTLE THE LITTLE CHEVY V EIGHT WHEN IT STARTED OUT IN SIXTY IN FIFTY FIVE I THINK WAS TWO SIXTY FIVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT LITTLE YOU KNOW NOT WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THE THAN THE THAN THE SIX CYLINDER THAT I THINK WAS LIKE ABOUT TWO THIRTY FIVE OR SO BUT UH +NOISE+ THEY KEPT BORING THAT BLOCK OUT TO WHERE YOU COULD A GET A FOUR HUNDRED SMALL BLOCK FOUR HUNDRED THAT WAS UH THE SAME BLOCK YOU KNOW JUST JUST KEPT BORING IT OUT AND BORING IT OUT AND STROKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AN I THINK THOSE THOSE LITTLE V EIGHTS COULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO BE PRETTY POWERFUL LITTLE ENGINES IF THEY WOULD HAVE GONE WITH IT BUT WELL THAT WAS UH THAT WAS A SHORT STROKE ENGINE IT COULD REALLY WIND UP OH YEAH YEAH THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE THE FIRST WELL MY FIRST CAR WAS A FIFTY SIX MUSTANG AND UH OVER THE YEARS UH ALL I HAD A UH DODGE PICKUP SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND UH I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SIZE OF THE ENGINE IT WAS A THREE OH SEVEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THE TWO LITTLE CARS I'VE GOT NOW BOUGHT A MITSUBISHI MIRAGE HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND AND IT WAS NORMALLY CARBURETED AND IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO WORK WITH BECAUSE THERE'S NOT JUST A WHOLE LOT IN IT TO GO WRONG AND YOU KNOW CHANGING THE PLUGS AND STUFF YEAH BUT UH I REMEMBER WORKING ON THOSE CARS YOU'D OPEN THE HOOD AND THERE WAS BASICALLY NOTHING IN THERE BUT AN ENGINE UH-HUH UH-HUH AND A FEW THINGS NOW YOU OPEN THE HOOD AND IT'S SCARY YEAH THE FRIEND OF OURS OVER HERE HE'S GOT UH SIXTY FIVE OR SIXTY SIX MUSTANG THE SIX CYLINDER LIKE YOU SAY IT TAKES A PLUHBER TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THIS STUFF GOES YEAH YEAH AND UH I WAS LOOK UNDER THE HOOD OF THAT THE OTHER DAY AND LIKE YOU SAY YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD IT'S AMAZING WELL IF YOU HAD TO YOU COULD CLIMB UP IN THERE AND DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO YOU YEAH YOU COULD STAND IN THERE IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO I GUESS MY DAD'S GOT A NEW UH I GUESS IT'S AN EIGHTY NINE OR NINETY UH CHRYSLER SOMETHING OR OTHER IT'S ONE OF THOSE TRANSVERSE MOUNTED V SIXES FRONT WHEEL DRIVE OH YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH AND UH HE WAS SHOWING IT TO ME AND WE'RE LOOKING UNDER THE HOOD AND EVERYTHING'S NICE AND CLEAN AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN SEE THE THREE SPARK PLUGS THERE IN THE FRONT AND I SAID WELL WHERE ARE THE OTHER THREE AND HE'D NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND HE SAYS WELL HOPEFULLY I WON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THEM BEFORE I TRADE IT OFF YEAH IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM GETTING BACK THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SHOVED RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FIRE WALL SO THEY JUST ABOUT COMPLICATED THE THINGS SO MUCH THAT SHADE TREE MECHANICS CAN'T DO MUCH WITH THEM UH-HUH RIGHT YEAH WELL WHEN THEY WENT TO THE STARTED WITH THE NEWER ENGINES YOU KNOW WHEN THEY STARTED PUTTING ALL THAT POLLUTION CONTROL STUFF ON THE OLDER ENGINES IS WHERE THEY STARTED GETTING INTO SO MUCH YOU KNOW TROUBLE BECAUSE THE THREE FIFTY WITH ALL THE YOU KNOW LIKE WELL ACTUALLY I GUESS WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ANYWAY WAS THE LAST I'VE PAID ANY ATTENTION TO IT THE THREE OH FIVE WAS THAT THAT V EIGHT THAT THEY PUT IN THE THE THREE QUARTER AND AND HALF TON VAN AND IT HAD ALL THE AIR PUHP AND UH UH I DON'T KNOW ALL THAT ALL THAT STUFF YEAH THE ANTI SMOG PUHPS AND ALL THE ANTI SMOG STUFF AND UH BOY THAT WAS UH REALLY A MESS BACK UNDER THERE UNDER THE IN THAT VAN AND ALL THAT STUFF LOADS THE MOTOR DOWN UH-HUH UH-HUH SO IT'S TRYING TO PUSH THE WEIGHT PLUS HAVE ALL THIS DRAIN ON IT FROM ALL SORTS OF BELTS AND THINGS BUT THAT'S ONE GOOD THING I'VE GOT A UH EIGHT NINETY UH CHEVY BLAZER NOW AND IT'S GOT ONE UH BELT ON IT A SERPENTINE BELT YEAH OH IT'S THAT ONE THAT'S ABOUT UH WHAT AN INCH AND A HALF WIDE GOT A BUNCH OF GROVES IN IT YEAH YEAH I HAVEN'T HAD TO REPLACE THE THING YET IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE UH BETTER THAN HAVING I'VE GOT AN AN OLDS TORONADO THAT I THINK'S GOT SIX BELTS ON THE SUCKER AND I HAD TO GET ALL THOSE OFF YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS REPLACE THAT UH WATER PUHP AND UH I HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH THAT FOR A WHILE TO FIGURE WHICH BELT GOES WHERE OH MAN YEAH IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE INSIDE DUAL ON A TRUCK YOU KNOW WHEN ONE OF THEM BREAKS IT'S NOT THE OUTSIDE ONE IT'S IT'S THE IT'S USUALLY THAT POWER STEERING OR SOMETHING THAT'S WAY BACK IN THERE YOU BET EVERYTHING ELSE'S GOT TO COME OFF FIRST EVERYTHING'S GOT TO COME OFF YEAH AND WE'LL UH WELL IT'S A PLEASURE MEETING YOU HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DONE THIS NOW IS THIS UH I'VE GOT UH FIVE STICKERS HERE FROM T_I SO I GUESS I'VE DONE PROBABLY UH I'D SAY SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THEM YEAH I HADN'T UH HADN'T NOT GOTTEN ANY CALLS HERE IN THE LAST UH THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IN A WEEK OR SO YEAH I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY CALLS IN TWO WEEKS SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF IT'S TAPERING OFF OR WHAT IF IT'S WINDING DOWN OR WHAT I HAD A DIFFICULT TIME THE PAST COUPLE OF TIMES OF GETTING UH ANSWERS FINDING A TAKER SO IT SOUNDS IT'S TAKEN THEM TEN FIFTEEN MINUTES AT A TIME SO PEOPLE ARE EITHER NOT MAYBE THEY'RE BURNT OUT OR YEAH ANYWAY LET YOU GO THANKS FOR TALKING YEAH WELL OKAY ALL RIGHT BYE_BYE ARE YOU A T_I OH GOOD UH YEAH I AM YEAH YEAH I'VE BEEN UH I UH IT IS FRIDAY YEAH THAT'S FOR SURE WELL UH I GUESS YEAH UH SHE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING A FEW FOLKS UH I THOUGHT WELL EVERY ALL THESE T_I HAVE GONE HOME UH AT ONE O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY +NOISE+ I'M TRYING TO THINK THE LAST THING I DID TO A CAR I I I DO IT A LOT I HAVE I KIND OF WORKED MY WAY THROUGH COLLEGE AS A MECHANIC AS A KID OH WOW OKAY UH-HUH YEAH SURE UH-HUH RIGHT RIGHT UH SO AND MY FATHER AND BROTHER WERE IN IT AND AND MY BROTHER'S STILL IN IT AND I HAD PERIODS WHEN I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BUT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS I'VE UH MY CAR DOESN'T GO TO A SHOP YOU KNOW IT IT I JUST DO IT ALL DO I UH THERE'S HARDLY ANYTHING THAT OTHER THAN PUTTING TIRES ON THAT I'LL DO I DID TAKE IT TO A TRANSMISSION PLACE TO PUT IN A NEW TRANSMISSION BUT I CHANGE THE OIL AND TRANSMISSION AND UH UH I DO ESSENTIALLY DO IT ALL I DON'T KNOW UH UH IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN FACT I COULD ADVISE PEOPLE UH I HAPPEN TO BE A M E BESIDES BUT I DO IT FOR FUN REALLY AND TO SAVE MONEY AND I GUESS THAT'S DIVERSION UH I I'VE I'VE TRIED A FEW GROUPS UH YOU KNOW WHERE YOU I CAN RECOMMEND IT FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE THEIR CARS LIKE I THINK SEARS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE YEAH YEAH BECAUSE I'VE HEARD WHEN I USED TO GO THERE AND WHEN I I JUST OVERHEARD WHAT THEY DID FOR ME VERY LITTLE BECAUSE I DIDN'T TAKE IT THAT MUCH BUT WHAT I HEARD THEM TELL OTHER PEOPLE WAS ALWAYS RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT YOU KNOW WHEN I SAT THERE I YOU KNOW I DROPPED MY CAR OFF FOR TIRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SO I RESPECT THEY SEEM TO ACTUALLY HAVE MECHANICS THERE YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH REALLY I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH WESTERN AUTO BUT THEY DIDN'T DO A GREAT JOB OF CHANGING MY TRANSMISSION UH OIL LAST TIME AND WHEN WHEN I DID IT THE NEXT TIME I REALIZED THE FILTER WAS LOOSE AND EVERYTHING AND I DIDN'T LIKE IT SO I'M JUST DOING IT ALL MYSELF I I YEAH THAT'S THAT'S THE AGGRAVATING THING YEAH I I TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS I CAN I UH I GREW UP ON FARM SO I'VE GOT THAT UH YOU KNOW TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF ATTITUDE YOU HAD TO DO IT YEAH RIGHT OH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH AND UH OH I'VE DONE I'VE DONE VARIOUS THINGS I'VE GOT AN I'VE GOT AN EIGHTY THREE T BIRD AND I'VE I'VE CHANGED OUT UH HEATER CORE AND UH OH TIMING BELTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT UH I GUESS THE LAST THING I TOOK TO ANYBODY TO HAVE DONE WAS ON MY WIFE'S CAR UH WHEN WE WENT IN FOR INSPECTION IT DIDN'T IT DIDN'T QUITE PASS SO WE HAD TO HAVE UH THAT'S UH THAT'S A MUSTANG WITH A TWO BARREL CARBURETOR ON IT UH-HUH AND THEY HAD TO DO SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON THAT AND OF COURSE IT HAD NEVER BEEN ADJUSTED SO THEY HAD TO PULL IT OFF AND PULL ALL THE PLUGS OUT TO GET TO IT AND UH OH YEAH WELL YOU LIKE FORDS APPARENTLY HUH YEAH REALLY MY GOODNESS YEAH YEAH I'VE UH I'M KIND OF STUCK ON THEM RIGHT NOW I GUESS BUT +NOISE+ YOU KNOW THAT'S IT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE I CAN WORK ON THEM THAT'S UH THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A BIG PART OF MY DECISION BUT UH YEAH WE RAN INTO SOME PROBLEMS WITH UH HAVING THEM TO WORK ON THAT CARBURETOR I MEAN THEY GET THEY GOT EVERYTHING TUNED UP RIGHT YOU KNOW BUT THEY WE GOT I GOT IT HOME AND UH AND THEY HAD LEFT THE UH OIL UH CAP OFF AND IT WAS RUBBING ON A BELT AND IT RUBBED A NOTCH IN THAT LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT REALLY START TO AGGRAVATE YOU THAT THAT'S A LOT OF THE REASON I DO MY OWN STUFF UH-HUH SURE SURE THAT'S RIGHT YEAH I ALWAYS WONDER WHEN YOU HAVE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN WHY EVEN HERE AT T_I WHY WE DON'T INSPECT I'M IN FACILITIES WHY WE DON'T INSPECT AREAS AND AND GUARANTEE IT SO TO SPEAK UH WE ALWAYS FIX THINGS AND PUT THINGS IN AND WALK AWAY WE THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME OF INSPECTION AND CHECK OUT AND AND THING LIKE THAT WITH A CAR THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMEONE THERE THAT INSPECTS IT BEFORE IT'S TURNED THERE OUGHT TO BE AN INSPECTOR OR QUALITY INSURANCE GUY AFTER AFTER AN OIL CHANGE YOU KNOW JUST IN CASE UH THEY DIDN'T PUT THE OIL IN OR WHATEVER SURE YEAH I I ALWAYS WONDER ABOUT THAT WHEN WHEN SOMEONE DOES REPAIRS OR LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT UH YEAH ANY ANYTHING THAT GETS THAT THAT'S IN A GETS TO BE AN AN ASSEMBLY LINE TYPE OPERATION YOU'RE YOU'RE ALWAYS RISKING THAT IF THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT GET THEIR HANDS ON ONE LITTLE PROJECT YOU KNOW THAT THINGS THEY'RE YOU GET YOU MISS THAT OVERLAP SOMETIMES AND AND THEY MISS THINGS YEAH I'VE I'VE HAD A HARD TIME FINDING ANYBODY I CAN TRUST LIKE LIKE YOU SAY IT IT WELL TRANSMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT I'M OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO TEAR APART A AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION AND TRY REBUILD IT NO NO I DON'T EITHER I DON'T EITHER YEAH YEAH BUT UH IT IT'S IT'S REAL STRESSFUL TO TRY TO FIND ANYBODY THAT I THINK'S GOING TO DO ME RIGHT AND AND UH YOU KNOW HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON UH-HUH YOU NEED TO REALLY UH I I DO UH A LOT OF THE SIMPLE THINGS I I THINK I DO MOST OF THE THINGS BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON YOU YOU HAVE FORDS AND I I UH I HAVE THREE CHEVYS WHICH OKAY YEAH OH YEAH YEAH I WORKED MY WAY INTO HAVING THE SAME ENGINE I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I'M I LIKE A V EIGHT AND I'M I'M SOLD ON SMALL BLOCK CHEVY V EIGHTS AND I I BOUGHT ONE CAR NEW AND I ALMOST ACCIDENTALLY GOT THE NEXT CAR ALTHOUGH I WAS KIND OF LOOKING FOR IT WHEN I GOT A A USED CAR WITH THE SAME ENGINE UH-HUH SURE SURE WELL THEN THE THE TRUCK I GOT NEXT I DEFINITELY LOOKED FOR THE SAME ENGINE SO I BUY FILTERS YOU KNOW THREE OR FOUR AT A TIME AND ESSENTIALLY THE ENGINES ARE DIFFERENT THE CARS ARE DIFFERENT YEARS BUT THE SAME CHEVY V EIGHT UH-HUH UH-HUH AND THE THE CARBURETORS IS THE SAME ALMOST EVERYTHING IS THE SAME THE COURSE IS TWO ARE EIGHTIES AND ONE EIGHTY SIX YOU KNOW SO YOU CAN LEARN A LOT THAT WAY I THERE'S NO WAY I COULD I COULD FIX EVERY CAR IN THE WORLD YOU KNOW YEAH YEAH RIGHT YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH WELL YEAH THAT THAT THE BIGGEST YOU KNOW THAT'S THE THREE BIGGEST THINGS TO ME YOU KNOW NUHBER ONE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE TOOLS AROUND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE THE SPECIAL TOOLS OR WELL ANY MORE THE THE TESTERS THAT YOU KNOW +NOISE+ I I DON'T HAVE A FORTY THOUSAND DOLLAR DIAGNOSTIC TESTER SITTING IN MY GARAGE YOU KNOW SO OBVIOUSLY IF IT STARTS MY CAR STARTS MISSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TRACK THAT DOWN ANY MORE WITHOUT A DIAGNOSTICS BUT AT THE TOOLS AND THE SPACE TO DO IT THAT THAT CAN BE A BIG PROBLEM IF IT'S IF IT'S UNDER CARRIAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT THEN IT'S EXPERIENCE YOU KNOW YOU CAN YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH A A CHILTON'S BOOK OR SOMETHING LIKE AND GET AN IDEA OF HOW TO GO ABOUT IT BUT YOU BETTER FIGURE ON MULTIPLYING THAT TIME OUT ABOUT BY AT LEAST BY FIVE OR SO JUST JUST BY NOT KNOWING YOU KNOW HOW TO GET TO THAT THAT ONE BOLT OR THAT ONE SCREW OR WHATEVER TO GET THINGS APART THAT WAS THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING WHEN I DID UH THE HEATER CORE IN MY T BIRD THAT IS GOT TO BE THE WORST LOCATION FOR IT AND AND THE ONLY REASON I DID IT I I THINK THEY'RE ALL BAD REALLY THEY'RE UH-HUH YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH THE THE ONLY ONES I'VE EVER HEARD GOOD GOOD THINGS ABOUT ARE ARE THE OLD LINCOLNS AND CADILLACS WHERE THEY HAD THE LITTLE DOOR UNDERNEATH THE HOOD YOU JUST OPEN THE DOOR AND POP IT OUT IS THAT RIGHT YEAH BUT BUT UH I I HAD I HAD TAKEN THIS IN TO HAVE IT DONE ORIGINALLY YEAH AND UH WHAT DID THEY WANT TO CHARGE YOU FOR IT YEAH OH IT IT WAS IT WAS WELL IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN HOURS LABOR SO IT IT WAS GOING TO RUN ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SO YEAH AND THEY LOOKED IT OVER AND THEY THEY THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD PATCH IT UP A LITTLE BIT YOU KNOW AND WHAT NOT SO THEY YEAH THIS IS YOUR LITTLE WATER UH HEATER IN THERE FOR THE UH THE HEAT INSIDE YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH AND IT WAS IT WAS LEAKING INSIDE THE CAR IN THE CONDENSER UNIT SO UH THEY THEY DID A LITTLE PATCH ON IT AND IT IT HELD FOR ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS AND I FINALLY WENT BACK IN AND STARTED LOOKING AT IT MYSELF AND IT'S A MATTER OF TEARING ALL THE DASH OUT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF BUT HEY IT WAS NOT UH IT WAS NOT A SEVEN HOUR LABOR JOB FOR ME IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE I FINALLY THROUGH DID YOU GET IT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE I I TOOK ONE OFF MY LITTLE BUICK I HAD AND I PRETTY MUCH TOOK IT LOOSE ON THE INSIDE BUT IT CAME OUT FROM THE YOU KNOW UNDERNEATH THE HOOD IT CAME FROM YEAH YEAH OH REALLY NO THIS THIS WAS THE ONLY THING THAT STICKS IN INSIDE THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT ON THIS ARE THE TWO UH HOSE FITTINGS MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT I IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I TOOK ONE OUT YEAH IT IT'S I I'VE NEVER HEARD A GOOD STORY ABOUT UH YEAH RIGHT COURSE I BROKE MINE YOU KNOW SO I'M ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL WHEN I CHANGE HOSES ON IT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU DID YOURS NOT TO REALLY PULL ON THOSE I WHEN I TAKE THOSE HOSES I CUT THEM OFF OKAY YEAH UH-HUH VERY GINGERLY BECAUSE IF YOU YOU KNOW PULL ON THAT AND I'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT AS A KID YOU KNOW JUST YANKED ON IT AND THEY MUST HAVE BEEN STRONGER AND HEAVIER COPPER AT THE TIME SURE BUT I BROKE ONE ON MY ON MY BUICK AND I ALWAYS REMEMBERED IT WAS MY OWN FAULT AND I THOUGHT WELL I'M GOING TO GOING TO CAREFULLY TAKE THOSE HOSES OFF OH REALLY YEAH IT IT SPREAD OUT YEAH YEAH YOU BET WELL THAT THAT'S WHAT ENDED UP BEING THE REAL PROBLEM ON THIS WAS THE UH THE THE PIPE WASN'T BUSTED BUT THE IT WASN'T SOLDERED IN GOOD ENOUGH AND IT HAD IT HAD BROKEN LOOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE IF IT GOT HOT AND JUST NORMAL DRIVING DIDN'T DO IT BUT IF IF IF IT WAS AN ESPECIALLY HOT DAY THE PRESSURE WOULD GET HIGH ENOUGH AND IT WOULD START BLOWING THE WATER OUT INSIDE YEAH YEAH IT WAS REAL AGGRAVATING BUT UH I I COULDN'T EVEN A WEEK'S A WEEK'S TIME IS IS WORTH +NOISE+ A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN FOUR THAN FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS TO ME YOU KNOW THAN TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT UH-HUH SOMETIMES IF YOU'RE A TINKERER YOU LUCK OUT MY WIFE'S UH CHEVY UH IT WAS A CAPRICE AIR CONDITIONING STOPPED I I JUST HEARD IT I REALIZED THAT THE AIR CONDITIONING WASN'T CUTTING IN UH-HUH AND I WENT OUT THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES AND I JUST PUSHED ON THE WIRES AND SURE ENOUGH JUST PURE DUHB LUCK THAT THE CONNECTION OVER BY IT'S NOT THE EVAPORATOR THE BIG FILTER ON ONE SIDE UH-HUH I JUST PUSHED THAT IN AND I HEARD IT CLICK YEAH RIGHT THAT'S TRUE UH-HUH YEAH AND SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE DUHB LUCK I I WAS YOU KNOW YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THOUGHT WELL THE COMPRESSOR'S NOT WORKING OR IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME ALL DAY PROBABLY IF I DIDN'T DO THAT BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SOME DUHB LUCK IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE CURIOSITY AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO CHECK THINGS OUT I KNOW I FEEL BAD FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WHEN ANYTHING GOES WRONG A FUSE YOU KNOW THEY JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT AND I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH IF YOU DON'T UH AT LEAST GIVE IT A SHOT I'VE GOT GIRLS DAUGHTERS AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID I'D TEACH THEM AND MY MY ONE DAUGHTER WAS FAIRLY INTERESTED AND I REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO I LEARNED BECAUSE I I JUST UH LEARNED YOU KNOW AND I FEEL BAD ABOUT NOT AT LEAST SHOWING THEM SOME OF THE THINGS AND I'M GOING TO DO THAT I I TOLD MY DAUGHTERS IN COLLEGE THIS YEAR I SAID THIS SUHMER WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THE CAR I SAID SO YOU CAN LEARN THE BASICS YOU KNOW YEAH RIGHT I HAVE THE THERE'S ONE EXPRESSION I DON'T LIKE UH THE COUNTRY EXPRESSION YOU KNOW IF IT AIN'T IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT WELL YEAH AND AND NOT ONLY FROM A FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT JUST JUST PURE SAFETY YOU KNOW IF YOU CAN IF SHE CAN GET YOURSELF OUT OF A BAD SITUATION WITHOUT HAVING TO TO GO TO A PHONE BOOTH AND STAND AROUND AND WAIT IT IT IT CAN IT CAN SAVE A LOT OF TIME AND TROUBLE SO DO YOU DO ANY OF YOUR OWN REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE WORK WELL I DO A LITTLE BIT I JUST DO MAINLY YOU KNOW CHANGE THE OIL AND UH I'LL DO AN OCCASIONAL TUNE UP THINGS LIKE THAT +NOISE+ CHANGE SET OF DISC BRAKES BUT MOST OF THE STUFF I HAVE DONE +NOISE+ I JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO FOOL WITH IT OR +NOISE+ YOU KNOW IT'S JUST OUT OF MY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE YEAH DO YOU HAVE LIKE AN AMERICAN OR FOREIGN CAR ONE OF EACH OKAY A FOREIGN AND UH AND I HAVE A A TRUCK BECAUSE I KNOW LIKE I'VE GOT A A HONDA AND AND IT'S JUST BEYOND EVEN MY MY DAD'S AND MY HUSBAND'S COMPREHENSION A LOT OF THAT STUFF THEY GREW UP WITH AMERICANS LITTLE SIMPLER YEAH ARRANGEMENTS ON UNDER THE HOOD SO SO THEY'LL CHANGE THE OIL FOR ME AND UH THAT'S ABOUT IT THESE DAYS YEAH I DON'T WORK ON ANYTHING FOREIGN YEAH IT'S IT'S WELL YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF TOOLS FOR IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE TOO SO YEAH METRIC WELL EVEN EVEN SOME AMERICAN CARS HAVE THAT NOW BUT UH +NOISE+ UH THEY'RE STILL A LITTLE BIT OVER ALL SIMPLER YOU KNOW TO WORK ON BUT UH +NOISE+ I FEEL LIKE IF I CAN AFFORD TO HAVE IT DONE I'M GOING TO HAVE IT DONE YOU HAVE TO HAVE METRIC DON'T YOU YEAH YEAH +NOISE+ WELL IT'S IT'S A LOT EASIER THAN GETTING UNDER THERE AND FINDING OUT SOMETHING MAJOR HAS HAPPENED THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT AND ADVANCED AUTO CLOSED FIFTEEN MINUTES AGO AND YEAH +NOISE+ WELL HAVE YOU HAD ANYTHING DONE TO YOURS LATELY OR GETTING INTO THAT KIND OF HASSLE +NOISE+ YEAH I HAD UH I WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE CRUISE CONTROL AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT UH +NOISE+ CROWN VICTORIA AND GRAND MARQUIS AND WE'RE LEANING A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE UH GRAND MARQUIS AS FAR AS JUST LOOKS BUT MY PARENTS HAVE A UH CONTINENTAL AND THEY'VE HAD NOTHING BUT NIGHTMARES WITH THAT CAR OH REALLY IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER GOING WRONG THAT THE LOCAL DEALER EITHER SAYS THERE'S NOTHING WRONG IT'S YOUR IMAGINATION OR SAYS WELL IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY JUST GET USED TO IT IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE FOR THEM SO IT KIND OF MAKES ME DREAD GOING BACK TO AN AMERICAN MANUFACTURER UH +NOISE+ THAT'S BEEN I THINK UNTIL THEY GET THE RELIABILITY +NOISE+ UP I DON'T YOU KNOW OTHER THAN TRUCKS I'VE HAD ALWAYS HAD GOOD LUCK WITH AMERICAN TRUCKS BUT WITH CARS I I'VE NOT HAD MUCH LUCK WITH UH AMERICAN CARS ESPECIALLY GENERAL MOTORS +NOISE+ YEAH SURE BUT UH +NOISE+ YOU KNOW I LOOK AT RELIABILITY AND AND YOU KNOW LIKE STUFF LIKE TIRES AND AND BELTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT +NOISE+ UH ACTUALLY YOU CAN BUY THE PARTS CHEAPER FOR FOREIGN CARS IF YOU BUY THEM AND PUT THEM IN YOURSELF BUT IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE OF COURSE IT ENDS UP COSTING YOU THE INSTALLATION FEE BUT +NOISE+ I HAVE HAD IF I HAD TO SAY DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR SPENDING ON FOREIGN AND AS OPPOSED TO TO AMERICAN I SPENT FAR LESS ON THE FOREIGN CARS YEAH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ I BELIEVE THAT YEAH I WISH THERE WERE BIGGER FOREIGN CARS REALLY IT SEEMS LIKE THEY KIND OF REALLY YEAH I HADN'T REALLY EVEN YEAH YEAH MOVING THEM UP LONG TERM A LOT A LOT MORE AND THEN THEN YOU ADD THE THE FUEL SAVINGS ON TOP OF IT +NOISE+ SO MY MONEY'S ON FOREIGN CARS UNTIL UNTIL THE AMERICAN CARS CAN CAN MEET THE STANDARDS +NOISE+ WELL THAT THAT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'LL START LOOKING NOW AT SOME OF THE HONDAS AND SOME OF THE MAZDAS AND AND +NOISE+ A LOT OF THE CAR COMPANIES NOW ARE BEGINNING TO SCALE UP YOU KNOW LIKE THE THE LEXUS +NOISE+ SEE THOSE CARS IF IF YOU'LL GO LOOK AT THEM THEY'RE AS BIG AS SOME OF THE GENERAL MOTORS CARS IF YOU IF YOU PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE AND I I DIDN'T REALLY NOTICE IT UNTIL SOMEONE POINTED IT OUT AND HE SAYS WELL IF YOU'LL LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING +NOISE+ FOREIGN CARS +NOISE+ ARE ABLE TO KEEP THE SAME OR KEEP KEEP GOOD GAS MILEAGE GOOD RELIABILITY BUT THEY'RE SCALING UP WHEREAS THE AMERICANS NOW ARE SCALING DOWN +NOISE+ AND THEY CAN'T IMPROVE THE GAS MILEAGE ANYMORE +NOISE+ SO THE THE JAPANESE HAVE HAVE DEFINITELY BEAT US IN BOTH SIDES OF THE GAME +NOISE+ THEY THEY THOUGHT YOU KNOW BUILD THEM SMALL CHEAP YOU KNOW AND AND LITTLE REPAIR +NOISE+ AND YOU KNOW GET THEM HOOKED AND THEN START SLOWLY ADDING STUFF ON +NOISE+ AND PEOPLE LIKE THE RELIABILITY BUT THEY ALSO LIKE THE SIZE AND NOW THEY'RE SIZING UP THEY'VE GOT THE RELIABILITY AND THEY'VE GOT THE GAS MILEAGE +NOISE+ YOU KNOW AND I I DON'T THINK PEOPLE MIND TOO MUCH TAKING THE CAR IN FOR A TUNE UP YOU KNOW JUST GENERAL FIFTEEN THOUSAND MILE MAINTENANCE OR OR EVEN GETTING THE OIL CHANGED IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OTHER MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR ON TOP OF THAT THAT'S RIGHT AND WITH AMERICAN CARS AND THE WARRANTIES YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT DID THEY USED TO SAY FORD STOOD FOR FIX OR REPAIR DAILY +NOISE+ YEAH EXPECT I'VE GOT A FORD TRUCK AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE FORD TRUCKS +NOISE+ AND REALLY THEY'RE VERY MAINTENANCE FREE WELL THAT'S GREAT I WONDER WHY THEY CAN'T EXTEND THE TRUCK'S YOU KNOW RELIABILITY OUT TO THE CARS I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WEIRD FROM I NOW I I I'M SPEAKING ONLY FROM TRUCKS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW THAT'S SURPRISING BECAUSE +NOISE+ YOU KNOW EVERYBODY I KNOW THAT HAS A FORD CAR HAS HAD NOTHING BUT TROUBLE WITH IT BUT THEY HAVE A FORD TRUCK AND THEY'RE THEY'RE VIRTUALLY UH FLAWLESS THE UH THE UNDERCARRIAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IF YOU PUT THEM NEXT TO A CHEVY OR OR ANOTHER TYPE OF TRUCK UH AMERICAN TRUCK YOU CAN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO A FORD REALLY AND UH THAT'S WHY I BUY FORD TRUCKS MINE RUNS LIKE A TOP IT IT I'VE LIKE I SAY I'VE HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT OTHER THAN TAKING IN FOR NORMAL MAINTENANCE +NOISE+ AND UH AND I I PUT OVER A HUNDRED MILES A DAY ON IT MAN AND I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER HAD TROUBLE WITH IT THAT'S GREAT SO I'LL BUY FORD TRUCKS BUT I'LL BUY FOREIGN CARS I THINK THEY NEED TO UH TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CATCH IS THERE I KNOW IT'S IT'S IT'S KIND OF KIND OF CRAZY BUT +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW BUT BUT UNTIL THEY UNTIL THEY MEET THE STANDARDS THAT YOU KNOW THAT I'M USED TO ANYWAY THAT I'LL I'LL BUY WHAT WHATEVER I GET YOU KNOW THAT'S BEST FOR MY MONEY YEAH YEAH AND YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID I'VE HAD I'VE HAD GREAT LUCK WITH THE HONDAS AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO WALK AWAY FROM A GOOD THING WHEN IT'S YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHEN YOU CHANGE YEAH THEY'RE THEY'RE GOOD CARS I I I WILL SAY THAT YOU PROBABLY MADE A GOOD CHOICE IN THAT ONE +NOISE+ BUT HOW ABOUT HAVE YOU HAD TIRES CHANGED ON ON THAT CAR +NOISE+ I HAD THE UH TIRES CHANGED AT FIFTY TWO THOUSAND THEY'D THEY'D STARTED TO TO LOOK PRETTY BALD UH-HUH +NOISE+ DID YOU PUT THE SAME KIND OF TIRES BACK ON IT DID YOU NO UH LET'S SEE I HAD OKAY WHAT I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT IS THAT MY FIANC3E AND I HAVE JUST FINISHED AS A MATTER OF FACT TODAY RESTORING A SEVENTY THREE MERCEDES YOU DON'T MEAN IT UH-HUH I I WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF IT OURSELVES BUT MOSTLY WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND A A GUY THAT WORKS FOR A MERCEDES DEALERSHIP AND HE RESTORES CARS ON HIS ON HIS UH YOU KNOW OFF TIME HOW'D YOU FIND THIS ONE UH-HUH PRETTY SHABBY SHAPE HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH WELL IT WAS UH A GENTLEMAN THAT WORKS WITH MY FIANC3E AND HE HAD BOUGHT IT FOR HIS DAUGHTER AND SHE WASN'T TAKING CARE OF IT AND BOY WAS THAT OBVIOUS WHEN THEY PULLED UP IN IT IT HAD BEEN REALLY UH IT WAS IN A MESS IT WAS JUST IN A TERRIBLE MESS UH SO WHAT'S THE LAST THING YOU EVER HAD DONE TO IT WELL THE LAST THING WE DID TO IT WAS TODAY THEY HAD UH REPLACED THE GEAR SHIFT MY UH IT'S UH IT WASN'T WE HAD TO ORDER THE PART FROM THE DEALERSHIP AND THE GUYS PUT IT IN TODAY WHEN YOU SHIFTED IT DOWN YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE IN PARK DRIVE REVERSE WHATEVER OH I HEAR YOU SO THAT WAS THE VERY LAST THING THAT WE HAD TO UH HAD TO HAVE DONE UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH BASICALLY THE WHOLE CAR'S BEEN REDONE THEY PUT IN NEW UH THEY USED NEW SHEET METAL AND STUFF TO TO REPAIR THE BODY I MEAN THERE WERE YOU KNOW THESE RUSTED DENTS A NEW PAINT JOB THEY UH REDID ALL OF THE TRIM MY GOODNESS UH-HUH UH-HUH WE HAD THE SEATS REUPHOLSTERED WE PUT IN A NEW DASH IT'S BEEN RECARPETED IT'S JUST IT WAS YOU KNOW JUST MY GOODNESS YOU ALL PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS UH-HUH IS IT A DIESEL UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH IT WAS COMPLETELY OVERHAULED AND UH FOR WHAT IT'S A DIESEL UH-HUH IT SURE IS +NOISE+ I GUESS IT'S WHAT FOUR SPEED ON THE COLUHN YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT UH-HUH UH-HUH I SEEM TO RECALL THE OLD MERCEDES HAD FOUR SPEEDS ON THE COLUHN UH-HUH +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH AND IT'S IT'S JUST BEEN LOVINGLY RESTORED THAT'S ONE GOOD THING ABOUT ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY TO DO IT YOUR YOU'RE YOU'RE THERE BECAUSE THEY WORKED ON IT HERE AT OUR HOME UH-HUH SO HOW MANY MILES DOES IT HAVE ON IT I HAVE NO IDEA I I DOUBT THAT ANYBODY WILL EVER REALLY KNOW +NOISE+ WHY THE SPEEDOMETER WAS DISCONNECTED OR SOMETHING UH-HUH UH-HUH UH WELL I I I CAN'T REALLY REMEMBER WHAT IT SHOWS ON THERE BUT I REMEMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT WE SAID THAT WE WERE PRETTY SURE THAT THAT WAS LIKE TIMES MAYBE OR AN ADDITIONAL ONE HUNDRED ADDED ON TO THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND I HEAR YOU YEAH BECAUSE IT'S UH IT HAD DEFINITELY BEEN THROUGH THE MILL BUT UH WELL I'VE GOT A LITTLE CAR THAT UH HAS A CERTAIN HISTORY TO IT TOO UH-HUH OH YEAH IT'S AN OLD SEVENTY ONE MAVERICK AND I'M NOT TRYING TO REDO THE BODY OR ANYTHING BUT I'VE HAD IT TO DRIVE BACK AND FORTH TO WORK NOW FOR SOME I GUESS NINETEEN YEARS OR SO UH-HUH UH-HUH OH MY GOSH YOU'VE HAD IT AND IT'S GOT TWO HUNDRED AND ONE THOUSAND MILES ON IT OH MY WORD AND IT'S AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION AND IT'S JUST A REGULAR OLD EVERYDAY GO BACK AND FORTH TO WORK CAR UH-HUH UH-HUH OH MY WORD UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH AND UH I UH I GUESS THE INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS ABOUT THE ONLY WORK I DO ON IT MYSELF AN THE LAST TIME I DID DO SOME WORK WAS I DID A BRAKE JOB ON IT AND THAT COSTS ME FOURTEEN DOLLARS BY BUYING THE PARTS AT ONE OF THE LOCAL DISCOUNT PARTS HOUSES YOU KNOW AND AND LUCKILY THIS TIME DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE DRUHS TURNED OR ANYTHING REPLACED YEAH YEAH OH DEFINITELY AND I WAS ABLE TO DO A BRAKE JOB ON THERE AT FAIRLY I THINK EXPENSIVE PRICE BY DOING IT MYSELF OF COURSE BUT ANOTHER INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS CAR LIKE YOURS IS UH IT'S ONLY HAD THE OIL CHANGED ABOUT SIX TIMES SINCE UH SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES BECAUSE I ONLY CHANGE THE OIL EVERY TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES OH GOSH UH-HUH UH-HUH +NOISE+ RIGHT I DO CHANGE THE OIL FILTERS EVERY TWELVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED THOUGH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH +NOISE+ UH-HUH GOSH THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE UH UH-HUH RIGHT RIGHT BUT UH OTHER THAN THAT IT ONLY HAS THE OIL CHANGED EVERY TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES AND THAT IS A A TRUE STATEMENT I JUST WROTE MOBIL OIL CORPORATION A LETTER AS A MATTER OF FACT TWO WEEKS AGO THANKING THEM FOR THE UH GOOD DURABILITY THAT MOBIL ONE OIL WHICH IS WHAT I USE IN IT PROVIDES +NOISE+ BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE TWO HUNDRED AND ONE THOUSAND HONEST MILES AND IT'S ONLY HAD THE OIL CHANGED THOSE FEW TIMES AND UH IT UH PERFORMS VERY NICELY IT'S THE UH TRANSMISSION OF COURSE I GET OVERHAULED ON IT NOT OVERHAULED BUT ALL THE UH FLUID DRAINED OUT AND NEW SCREEN AND AND FILTERS AND EVERYTHING PUT THEM IN EVERY FIFTY THOUSAND MILES RELIGIOUSLY UH-HUH UH-HUH THAT'S THAT IS AMAZING SO IT STILL SHIFTS JUST A CRISP TODAY AS IT DID WHEN IT WAS BRAND NEW AND THE ENGINE STILL RUNS JUST AS STRONG TODAY AS IT DID WHEN IT WAS BRAND NEW IS IT THE SAME ENGINE THAT'S BEEN IN IT ALL THE TIME UH-HUH UH-HUH WOW UH-HUH +NOISE+ OH YEAH THE THE ENGINE'S NEVER HAD ANY WORK DONE ON IT ALL EXCEPT AT NINETY FIVE THOUSAND MILES I THINK IT WAS UH WE REBUILT THE CARBURETOR AND A HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES WE PUT A NEW UH WATER PUHP ON IT NO INTERNAL WORK HAS EVER BEEN DONE ON THE ENGINE IT'S HAD UH THREE STARTERS ONE FUEL PUHP ABOUT SIX EIGHT TEN BATTERIES I GUESS BEEN PUT IN THE CAR AND UH UH ONE UH UH UH VOLTAGE REGULATOR DURING ALL THIS TIME YEAH YEAH THAT'S AMAZING YEAH YEAH AND THAT'S IT NOTHING ELSE BEEN EVER DONE TO IT EXCEPT YOU KNOW THE USUAL FILTERS AND THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT ON AN IT AND THE UH RADIATOR ON IT HAS BEEN REBUILT TWICE SO THE CAR WAS HOW OLD WHEN YOU WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH OH I SEE UH-HUH YEAH EXACTLY YEAH YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH WELL I BOUGHT IT FROM A FELLOW THAT I KNEW UH THAT WORKED UP HERE IT HAD SIXTY NINE THOUSAND MILES ON IT AT THAT TIME HE ALWAYS TOOK GOOD CARE OF IT AND HE BOUGHT IT JUST TO PULL A BOAT WITH AND WHEN IT WHEN IT GOT TO BE OLD AND UH OR OLDER I BOUGHT IT IN SEVENTY SEVEN FROM HIM IT WAS ABOUT SIX YEARS OLD AND UH IT HAD SIXTY NINE THOUSAND MILES ON IT AND I HAD WRITTEN ABOUT I HAD READ ABOUT SYNTHETIC OILS IN POPULAR SCIENCE SO I DECIDED HEY THIS IS A GOOD CAR TO EXPERIMENT ON IT I WON'T HAVE MUCH MONEY IN IT YOU KNOW I ONLY BOUGHT IT FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS SO I CHANGED IT OVER TO UH MOBIL ONE AT SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES AND I PROCEEDED FROM THEN ON TO NEVER CHANGE THE OIL BUT EVERY TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES AS THEY SAY ON THE CAN AND UH BUT I YEAH OH IS IT DOES SAY THAT ON THE CAN I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UH-HUH BUT THE OIL GETS YEAH IT SAYS THAT ON THE CAN MOBIL ONE CANS IF YOU READ THEM SAYS UH UH IT IT SAYS AS AS THE AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS OR TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES WHAT THEY USED TO SAY ANYWAY UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT UH-HUH SO I DECIDED THIS WOULD DO AS A GOOD EXPERIMENT AND I HAD READ ABOUT THIS THESE KINDS OF SYNTHETIC OILS IN UH AS I SAID POPULAR SCIENCE +NOISE+ BUT THE OIL GETS SO BLACK THAT UH AT EVERY TWELVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED MILES I DO PULL THE OIL FILTER AND CHANGE OUT THE OIL FILTER AND WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE TO ADD A QUART OH I SEE YEAH THAT'S AMAZING BUT THIS CAR USES NO OIL AT ALL BETWEEN OIL CHANGES I MEAN NOT A DROP YEAH AND THIS IS A MAVERICK YOU SAID IT'S A SEVENTY ONE MAVERICK MAVERICK WELL I HAD UH I HAD OWNED A COUGAR UP UNTIL OH JUST SEVERAL MONTHS AGO THAT I HAD HAD SINCE UH UH I THINK IT WAS IN EIGHTY TWO OR SOMETHING UH-HUH AND I HAD THAT CAR ONLY UH ABOUT TWO YEARS AND THE ENGINE BLEW IN IT AND SO I HAD TO PUT IN A NEW ENGINE THAT WAS THAT'S AN EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD CAR YOU KNOW AND IT WASN'T IN WARRANTY I MEAN IT MUST HAVE LIKE THE DAY AFTER THE WARRANTY WAS EXPIRED IT MUST HAVE EXPLODED OH UH MY GOODNESS WHAT KIND OF ENGINE WAS IT I HAVE NO UH V IS IT V EIGHT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF WELL THEY HAVE V EIGHTS THEY HAVE V SIXES AND THEY HAVE WHAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE IS A V EIGHT BIGGER I GUESS THE V EIGHT YEAH THAT'S WHAT IT HAD IN IT WELL THAT'S INTERESTING AND YEAH SO IT IT UH THAT'S MY LATEST EXPERIENCE WITH ANYTHING MAJOR YEAH YEAH I GUESS THAT'S UH UH YOU MUST UNDOUBTEDLY GET ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT UH UH ENGINE TYPES OR WHATEVER IN TERMS OF THEIR DURABILITY DEPENDING ON HOW THEY GOT MADE BUT THIS ONE HERE HAS JUST LASTED AND LASTED AND LASTED OH REALLY UH WELL SEE THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING I THOUGHT MAYBE IT HAS SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT TURNED ME OFF FROM AMERICAN CARS I MEAN +NOISE+ YOU KNOW AND I'M SURE I SHOULDN'T I SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT WAY THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THIS CAR IT SOUNDS VERY RESILIENT WHATEVER THEY HAVE IN THAT WHATEVER A KIND OF ENGINE IT IS IN THAT CAR IT'S JUST A V EIGHT SAME AS WHAT WAS IN YOUR COUGAR PROBABLY YOU DID YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH MAYBE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO BUT I I KNOW I TOOK GOOD CARE OF IT I CHANGED THE OIL QUITE OFTEN I DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT MYSELF I I COULD NEVER DO ANY OF THIS MYSELF YOU KNOW I'M JUST NOT UH I'M NOT UH YEAH AND IT STILL BLEW UP AND IT STILL BLEW UP YOU'RE SURE NOBODY EVER SUGARED YOUR GAS TANK OR ANYTHING THAT GOT MAD AT YOU ABOUT SOMETHING WELL NOW THAT YEAH NOT THAT I KNOW OF +NOISE+ OH REALLY BECAUSE I HAD A VAN THAT UH SOMEBODY SUGARED MY GAS TANK AND IT IT TORE THAT ENGINE UP AND I HAD TO REPLACE IT BUT IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THAT THEN UH I WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM WELL YOU KNOW THAT'S POSSIBLE I NEVER HAD THOUGHT ABOUT IT BUT THAT'S MY I'M I HAVE A ALL IT TAKES IS A CUP FULL OF SUGAR DUHPED DOWN YOUR GAS TANK AND IT WILL RUIN THE ENGINE WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO IT UH FREEZES UP THE RINGS AND EVERYTHING INSIDE SO THEY CAN'T LUBRICATE SUGAR DOES IT TURNS TO LIKE A A SYRUPY LIKE CRUD OKAY JUST LIKE JUST LIKE SUGAR WOULD IT UH-HUH YEAH YEAH YEAH AND UH IT IT FREEZES EVERYTHING UP IT SCALDS IT SCALDS THE BEARINGS IN AN ENGINE IT ESSENTIALLY JUST FREEZES IT UP AND THE ONLY THING TO DO IS TAKE IT APART AND COMPLETELY REBUILD IT FROM BOTTOM OUT AND GENERALLY IT RUINS THE ENGINE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT UH UH UH-HUH UH THAT'S AMAZING YEAH UGH WELL THAT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO IT BECAUSE IT HAD IT HAD BEEN FINE BUT THE ODD THING ABOUT IT WAS IS AFTER I HAD THAT ENGINE REPLACED THAT CAR RAN HOT EVERY SUHMER I MEAN EVEN THOUGH YES TEXAS IS NOTORIOUS I MEAN WE IT'S TRUE WE HAVE A HUNDRED AND EIGHT DEGREE DAYS BUT YOU KNOW IT UH I HAD I HAD TROUBLE WITH THAT CAR AFTER THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JUST A LEMON EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A BRAND NEW ENGINE YOU KNOW SO UH MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN REBUILT PROPERLY OR THEY MIGHT HAVE PUT TOO HIGH A DEGREE THERMOSTAT IN IT YEAH COURSE IT WAS A BRAND NEW ENGINE SUPPOSEDLY NOW THAT'S WHAT THE DEALERSHIP TOLD ME YOU KNOW YEAH WELL EVEN IF IT WAS IF THEY PUT THE WRONG SIZE THERMOSTAT IN IT FOR THE CLIMATE YOU'RE IN IT COULD MAKE IT RUN HOTTER YEAH YEAH THAT'S WHAT I I KNOW MY I HAD UH HAD MY DAD FINALLY TOOK IT DOWN THERE BECAUSE I WOULD TAKE IT BACK AND FORTH AND THE DEALERSHIP WOULD NOT IT WAS I STILL HAD THE PROBLEM IT JUST CONTINUED AND CONTINUED AND THEY WOULD CHARGE ME YOU KNOW TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS EVERY TIME THEY LOOKED AT IT UH-HUH HUH UH-HUH HUH UH-HUH AND UH HE KEPT SAYING THE SAME THING HE SAID IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS YOUR THERMOSTAT BUT AT ANY RATE IT WAS REALLY NEVER RECTIFIED AND I TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT WHEN I SOLD IT TO THEM I SAID YOU KNOW YOU YOU MIGHT NEED TO WATCH OUT BUT THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO MIND THEY WANTED THE CAR SO YOU KNOW AS FAR AS MY ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING ON IT I CAN CHECK THE OIL I KNOW THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS IT GOES IT'S BEEN AMAZING TO WATCH THESE GUYS WORK ON THIS CAR I MEAN YOU KNOW JUST WELL IT JUST THIS THIS GENTLEMAN HAD THIS CAR AND UH YOU KNOW HE HAD HE HAD TOLD MY FIANC3E THAT HE WAS GOING TO SELL IT I MEAN HE JUST I MEAN HE SOLD IT TO US FOR LIKE THREE HUNDRED BUCKS YOU KNOW AND AND WE TOOK BEFORE WE SAID WE'D BUY IT WE UH TOOK IT TO A MERCEDES DEALERSHIP AND THEY LOOKED AT THE ENGINE AND UH THE ENGINE HAD BEEN REBUILT ABOUT UH I THINK THE GUY HAD TOLD US TWO HUNDRED MILES PREVIOUSLY OR SOMETHING AN THEY SAID IT YOU KNOW THE ENGINE ALONE WAS WORTH YOU KNOW MUCH MORE THAN THAT SO WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANY PROBLEM AND UH IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN AMAZING TO TO SEE THE TRANSFORMATION WE TOOK WE TOOK AFTER PICTURES IT'S A SHAME THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE BEFORE PICTURES BECAUSE YEAH IT WAS JUST UH AS I SAID RUSTED DENTS AND THE COLOR WAS THAT DARK DARK GREEN THAT'S ALMOST HOW DID YOU ALL COME TO UH TO UH MAKE THE SEVENTY THREE YOUR YOUR COLLECTOR'S ITEM YOU MIGHT SAY UH UH-HUH UH-HUH OH YOU SHOULD HAVE HI MY LAST UH AUTO REPAIR WAS MY MY UH ALTERNATOR WENT OUT I HAVE A NINETEEN EIGHTY SIX TOYOTA UH IT'S A LITTLE TERCEL +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ UH-HUH AND UH I HAVE A A FRIEND WHOSE REAL GOOD WITH UH REPAIRING CARS SO I GOT HIM TO TAKE THE ALTERNATOR OFF AND TAKE IT AND UH YOU KNOW GET A REPLACEMENT PART SO WE WENT TO A UH A A PLACE CALLED QUALITY AUTO PARTS AN AND THEIR PARTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GUARANTEED AND AND EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE THEY'RE UH VERY REASONABLE SO UH I BOUGHT THE ALTERNATOR WE PUT IT ON THE CAR AND IT IT DIDN'T WORK AND IT BLEW OUT ALL THE FUSES YEAH OH NO +NOISE+ HOW MUCH WAS THE ALTERNATOR UH I SOMETHING LIKE SIXTY NINE DOLLARS SOMETHING ON THAT ORDER DID HE DID HE HOOK UP THE WIRING WRONG NO HE HOOKED IT UP RIGHT IT IT WAS JUST THAT THE THE PART JUST JUST DIDN'T FIT THE CAR SO I TOOK IT BACK AND UH HE HE TOOK THE THE GUY IN IN THE PARTS SHOP TOOK THE ALTERNATOR AND HE PUT IT ON THE LITTLE THING HE HAS IN THERE TO TEST THEM AND UH HE SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ALTERNATOR SO WE WE WENT BACK AND TRIED IT AGAIN PUT IT ON AGAIN AND IT STILL DIDN'T WORK AND WE TOOK THE CAR UP TO UH A LITTLE PLACE CALLED PEP BOYS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR AREA UH-HUH UH-HUH THEY PROBABLY BUILT THAT IN SO THEY COULD MAKE MONEY BUT UH THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY REASONABLE UH CAR REPAIR PLACE ALSO SO UH TOOK IT UP THERE TOWED IT UP THERE BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW WOULDN'T START OR ANYTHING AND THIS THING JUST KEPT BLOWING OUT THE FUSES AND UH TOOK THEM ABOUT AN AN HOUR TO UH FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS WHAT WAS BLOWING THE FUSE AND IT WAS IT WAS THE ALTERNATOR THAT WAS BLOWING THE FUSE ANYWAY +NOISE+ ENDED UP TAKING IT TO THE TOYOTA DEALER AND THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS THAT UH IT HAD TO BE A GENUINE TOYOTA UH ALTERNATOR BECAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER ONES THAT THEY SAY WILL FIT IT THAT THAT YOU KNOW THEY SIT IN THERE AND EVERYTHING BUT THERE'S JUST SOME LITTLE DIFFERENCE THAT UH CAUSES IT NOT TO WORK AN YEAH I GUESS SO AND THAT WAS MY THAT WAS MY LAST EXPERIENCE WELL I HAD A WEIRD THERE'S A LITTLE SENSING DEVICE UH IN FRONT OF MY UH UH I'M NOT SURE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FAN IT'S A IT'S AN AIR CONDITIONER SENSING DEVICE I DON'T KNOW WHY IT ACTUALLY THERE'S A METAL PIECE THAT FITS THROUGH THE BELTS UH AND SOMEHOW THAT BROKE OFF AND UH I I STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW IT BROKE AND UH ANYWAY SO THIS PIECE OBVIOUSLY UH I HAVE A SUBARU AND UH I THINK YOU CAN ONLY GET IT THROUGH SUBARU DEALER ETCETERA SO UH-HUH UH THIS LITTLE SENSING DEVICE COSTED LIKE SIXTY BUCKS +NOISE+ GOODNESS ARE YOU ABLE UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH AND AND I HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY PROBLEMS WITH MY CAR I GOT A EIGHTY EIGHT SUBARU G L X T AND IT UH AND THEN YOU KNOW JUST BASIC MAINTENANCE AND OIL CHANGES AN I AND I DO NOT DO MY OIL CHANGES AND I WILL NOT DO MY OIL CHANGES I'VE I THINK THE FIRST TIME I TRIED TO DO ONE AND ENDED UP UH TRYING TO UH BORROWED SOMEBODY ELSE'S JACK AND I DID THIS AND I WENT AND BOUGHT EVERYTHING SO AFTER BUYING THE FILTER AND ALL THE OIL YOU'RE LOOKING AT TEN BUCKS AT LEAST OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE AN AND UH AND THEN TO GO TO THE TROUBLE THAT I FIGURED IT'S EASIER SPENDING EIGHTEEN BUCKS AT JIFFY LUBE YEAH SO THAT THAT'S UH YOU KNOW +NOISE+ AS FAR AS ANY MAINTENANCE ON MY CAR I I SHY AWAY FROM THE OIL CHANGES THAT'S FOR SURE UH-HUH WELL MY CAR IS UH IT'S AN EIGHTY SIX AND I REALLY HADN'T HAD ANY ANY TROUBLE WITH IT UNTIL THAT AND THE CAR NOW HAS A HUNDRED AND THIRTY SOMETHING THOUSAND MILES ON IT AND UH AND THIS WAS JUST RECENT SO I REALLY CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS ONE HOW DID YOU PUT THAT MANY MILES ON IT IN UH WELL I USED FOUR OR FIVE YEARS I USED TO WORK UH IT WAS A SEVENTY MILE TRIP EVERYDAY YOU KNOW TWO WAYS WAS SEVENTY MILES OH A HUNDRED AND FORTY MILE TRIP NO IT WAS IT WAS JUST SEVENTY MILES YEAH OH THIRTY FIVE MILES EACH WAY YEAH YEAH AND UH I DID THAT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND IT REALLY IT REALLY ADDED UP I'VE ONLY TAKEN UH MAYBE TWO TRIPS THAT WERE ABOUT FOUR HOURS LONG UH DOWN TO SHREVEPORT AND UH THE REST OF IT WAS YOU KNOW IT'S JUST BASICALLY DRIVING A LONG WAYS TO WORK AND NOW I DRIVE LIKE TWENTY TWENTY THREE MILES EACH WAY SO I'M GETTING A LITTLE A LITTLE UH LITTLE RELIEF BUT STILL I DRIVE A LONG WAYS BUT I GUESS BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGHWAY MILES YOU KNOW IT'S NOT SO BAD ON YOUR CAR AS AS IF IT YOU KNOW WERE JUST REGULAR STREET YOU KNOW UH-HUH DO YOU WORK FOR T_I YES I DO OKAY DO YOU I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU YOU KNOW AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE GETTING COMPENSATED FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW UH I DON'T WORK FOR T_I AND I'M JUST I GET THESE GREEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL THEM FAKE POINTS POINT THINGS UH-HUH AND UH I JUST WONDERING HOW I GO ABOUT GETTING THE CASH +NOISE+ UH THERE'S A NUHBER THAT YOU CALL IT'S THE SAME NUHBER THAT YOU THAT YOU CALL TO MAKE A CALL OH OKAY YOU YOU CALL THAT NUHBER AND AND UH SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THEY'LL GIVE YOU AN OPTION TO LEAVE A MESSAGE AND YOU CAN LEAVE A MESSAGE OKAY I KNOW SOMEONE THAT DID THAT YOU LEAVE A MESSAGE AND THEY'LL THEY'LL CALL YOU BACK OKAY ALL RIGHT WELL THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN CALLED IN A LONG TIME AND I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT SO OH REALLY AND UH I'VE DONE IT MAYBE TWELVE TIMES UH-HUH WELL I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE DONE IT QUITE THAT MUCH BUT UH MINE IS MIXED UP TOO I HAVE TO CALL AND GET IT FIXED +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH LET'S SEE BEFORE I HAD THIS CAR I HAD A UH I BOUGHT AN AUDI FIVE THOUSAND BUT I BOUGHT IT I BOUGHT IT USED I I JUST BOUGHT IT FROM A FRIEND WHO WAS GOING TO WHO JUST CHARGED ME WHAT THE DEALER WAS GOING TO GIVE GIVE HIM FOR IT FOR A TRADE IN AND UH IT HAD A WHOLE LOT OF MILES ON IT I I FIGURED MAYBE I'D GET ONE OR TWO YEARS OUT OF IT AN I AN I DID GET A COUPLE OF GOOD YEARS OUT OF IT AND THE UH THE ENGINE MESSED UP ON ME AND THEN I GAVE IT TO A GUY TO REPAIR WHO WORKS FOR THE FOR THE AUDI DEALER AND UH HE TOOK THE ENGINE APART AND YOU KNOW HE JUST SAID HE COULDN'T FIX IT SO THE ENGINE NEVER GOT PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN HUH OH WELL I I WAS DRIVING A SIXTY SIX PLYMOUTH FURY WOW I THINK THOSE OLD CARS YEAH YEAH AND MIGHT MIGHT BE A PRETTY GOOD BET BECAUSE YOU +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW OH THAT'S WHEN THEY MADE CARS THOUGH THIS THINGS WAS THE BODY WAS IN GOOD CONDITION AND GAR YOU KNOW IT RAN FINE IT WAS STARTING TO BURN SOME OIL UH-HUH UH AND UH BUT I HAD TO YOU KNOW YOU KNOW I GAR AFTER ABOUT COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER I WAS OUT OF COLLEGE I FINALLY SPLURGED AND BOUGHT MY CAR SO UH-HUH I READ A BOOK ONE TIME THAT SAID THAT THE BEST CARS WERE MADE BEFORE SEVENTY FOUR YEAH WELL YOU KNOW THESE THESE CARS MADE IN THE SIXTIES AND STUFF I MEAN THE STEEL I MEAN THE THICKNESS I MEAN THOSE THEY'RE JUST YOU JUST DON'T SEE CARS LIKE THAT UH-HUH AND THEY LAST A LONG TIME AND THEY WERE SIMPLE TOO THE ENGINES WERE SIMPLE AND DURABLE AND YEAH YEAH IT'S EASY TO IT'S EASY I GUESS IT'S STILL EASY TO FIND ENGINES FOR THOSE CARS ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS AND IF YOU I GUESS IF YOU KEEP CHANGING THEM OUT YOU CAN KEEP A CAR FOR A LONG TIME COURSE I GUESS I COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH THE THE TOYOTA THAT I HAVE I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'LL WANT TO CHARGE ME TO YEAH I GUESS SO BUT I JUST THINK THEY COST TOO MUCH IN THE IN THE FIRST PLACE NOW A DAYS SOME PEOPLE WILL STILL BUY THEM YOU KNOW THEY'LL +NOISE+ IT ALMOST COSTS SO MUCH TO FIX ANYTHING OR DO ANYTHING WITH IT YOU'RE JUST BETTER OFF BUYING ANOTHER CAR HI SO UH WHAT WAS THE LAST CAR REPAIR YOU HAD OH +NOISE+ JUST RECENTLY I WAS KIND OF LAUGHING WHEN I WHEN I HEARD THE SWITCHBOARD TALKING ABOUT THE QUESTION BECAUSE UH I HAD TO HAVE MY UH RADIATOR FLUSHED AND IT WAS GETTING RUSTY AND THE THING THAT THEY FORGOT TO DO WAS TO UH TO ALSO LOOK AT THE HOSE AND I HAD GONE ABOUT OH TWO DAYS WITH MY NEW RADIATOR FLUSHED AND THE HOSE BURST SO I WAS STRANDED OUT ON THE HIGHWAY +NOISE+ OH NO DID YOU CRACK THE BLOCK OR WHAT NO I I DIDN'T DO THAT THANK GOODNESS BUT UH THERE SEEMED TO BE ENOUGH ANTIFREEZE IN THERE YOU KNOW LEFT TO DO THAT BUT IT COST ME ALL KIND OF MONEY YOU KNOW TO HAVE THAT REPAIRED AFTER THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO THEY HAD REPAIRED IT SO THAT WAS THAT WAS A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE YEAH I SEE JUST RECENTLY YOU GOT LUCKY YOU DIDN'T RUIN THE WHOLE ENGINE THOUGH YES YES THAT CAN BE PRETTY SERIOUS I KNOW I KNOW WHAT ABOUT YOU OH I GUESS IT'S BEEN AWHILE FOR ME I'D IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR UH-HUH OH UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH I HAD THE UH THE WATER PUHP BREAK ON MY CAR YEAH I WAS TRAVELING UH I WAS GOING ON MY WAY HOME FROM THANKSGIVING AND IT BROKE LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE SO I HAD TO GET IT TOWED AND THEN FIXED AND BIG PAIN OH OH I KNOW I KNOW ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE OUT ON THE HIGHWAY YEAH THAT'S WHERE I WAS LUCKILY SOMEONE CAME BY AND GAVE ME A RIDE UH-HUH UH-HUH I KNOW WELL YOU KNOW UH LIVING IN DALLAS YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT UH BUHPER TO BUHPER EIGHT LANES OF TRAFFIC AND UH THAT WAS THAT WAS HORRIBLE YEAH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YOU KNOW TO HAVE THE YOU KNOW YOUR CAR IS FUHING AND EVERYTHING IT'S ALREADY A HUNDRED DEGREES YOU +NOISE+ DON'T NEED THAT TOO OH SHOOT +NOISE+ BUT MY CAR IS GETTING OLD SEE IT'S ABOUT SIX YEARS OLD NOW SO YEAH SO IS MINE +NOISE+ YEAH SO I GOT IT RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE AND SO IT'S UH IT'S STARTING TO SHOW THE WEAR AND TEAR NOW YEAH I'M HOPING MINE GETS ME THROUGH I GOT UNTIL MAY UNTIL I'M OUT SO WHEN I CROSS THAT ONE I'LL BE OKAY OH THAT'S NICE +NOISE+ YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH THAT UH THAT WAS MY GRADUATION PRESENT TO MYSELF SO YEAH YEAH I KNOW SO BUT GOSH IT'S REALLY STARTING TO TO WEAR SO I'VE BEEN THINKING ESPECIALLY NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO BUY A CAR BECAUSE I CAN'T UH I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO YOU KNOW PAY ALL THESE REPAIRS NOW TO START GETTING IT FIXED WHEN IT'S STARTING TO BREAKDOWN YEAH I DON'T WANT TO DO TOO MUCH ON MINE BECAUSE IT WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN THE CAR IS AND IT'S NOT WORTH IT +NOISE+ YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S TRUE I AGREE WITH YOU THERE SO I DON'T KNOW UH BECAUSE I I NEED TO HAVE IT TUNED YOU KNOW TUNED UP AND I DON'T KNOW REPLACE SOME OF THE BELTS AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE UH TIRES NEED TO BE REPLACED AND SO I WAS THINKING JUST A LOT OF MONEY I'M MIGHT AS WELL BUY ME A NEW CAR FOR THAT YEAH I GOT NEW TIRES LAST WINTER TOO SO I'M LIKE WELL THAT'S THE LAST MAJOR PURCHASE FOR THIS THING IT'S NOT WORTH IT UH-HUH WELL YOU HAVE TO IN PENNSYLVANIA BOY +NOISE+ YOU HAVE TO REALLY HAVE YOUR CAR WINTERIZED AND STUFF HUH UH-HUH +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH WE GET SOME KILLER WINTERS UP HERE IN THE MOUNTAINS OH REALLY YEAH OH OKAY SO LOT OF SNOW AND A LOT OF COLD UH-HUH WELL ESPECIALLY DON'T YOU HAVE WHAT A LOT OF SALT ON THE GROUND YEAH AT TIMES THERE'S A LOT OF IT UH-HUH YOU GOT TO LIKE CLEAN OUT THE UNDERNEATH OF YOUR CAR ALL THE TIME WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE YEAH YEAH WELL RUST AND THE AND THE BODY TOO HUH YEAH I HAVEN'T HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT THOUGH SO I'VE BEEN PRETTY LUCKY THERE UH-HUH +NOISE+ WELL I THINK THEY GET THE NEW Z BART STUFF AND EVERYTHING TO WHERE YOU CAN UH UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S USUALLY PRETTY GOOD YOU JUST RINSE IT OFF AFTER THE WINTER IS OVER AND DONE WITH IT YEAH AND GO LIKE THAT SO YEAH I USUALLY LIKE TO DO MOST REPAIRS ON MY OWN THOUGH DO YOU YEAH JUST BECAUSE THAT WAY I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY CAR AND WHAT IT NEEDS AND WHAT IT REALLY DOESN'T UH-HUH UH-HUH +NOISE+ WELL I I THINK I'M GETTING TOO OLD FOR ALL THAT MY UH I HAD FOUR BROTHERS AND THEY USED TO DRAG ME OUT UNDERNEATH THE CAR AND STUFF SO I CAN I CAN DO ALL THAT STUFF BUT I I THINK I'D MUCH PREFER TO PAY THE TWENTY TWO NINETY FIVE TO TO GO HAVE IT DONE NOW SO I CAN GET MY HANDS DIRTY SO YEAH I'M JUST GETTING GETTING TO THAT AGE I GUESS YOU JUST DON'T HAVE YOUR TIME BECOMES VERY PRECIOUS SO WORKING ON THE CAR IS JUST NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS I WANT TO SPEND MY TIME ON ANYMORE +NOISE+ YEAH PLUS IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG I KNOW WHO TO BLAME +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ MORE FUN THINGS TO DO +NOISE+ ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY SO YEAH I'M TRYING TO YOU KNOW I JUST NEED ONE I HAD TWO CARS THERE FOR A WHILE SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHICH CAR WAS GOING TO RUN WELL THAT'S NICE AND YEAH SO BUT IT BECAME A HASSLE TRYING TO KEEP UP AND MAINTAIN BOTH OF THEM YEAH AND YEAH SO THAT YES ONE WAS BAD ENOUGH BUT I THINK I GOT RID OF THE WRONG ONE +NOISE+ I SOON I NEED A LOT OF REPAIRS DONE ON ON THIS ONE SO YEAH THAT WAS UH THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE WELL ONE IS BAD ENOUGH +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YEAH I WAS JUST WONDERING THAT +NOISE+ ARE OUR FIVE MINUTES UP +NOISE+ +NOISE+ I I DIDN'T I DIDN'T SET THE TIME OR ANYTHING TO UH YEAH PUT YEAH I DIDN'T EITHER YEAH THIS MUST BE A A HARD CATEGORY WELL YEAH I GUESS UH YOU KNOW UNLESS YOU'RE UH YOU KNOW BIG DO IT YOURSELFER UH TO YOU KNOW FIX UP YOUR OWN CARS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO BUT I GUESS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT EXPERIENCES YOU KNOW I UH UH I DID MY PARENTS LIVE IN OHIO SO I I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE YOU KNOW THE REALLY COLD WEATHER AND UH I'VE ALWAYS LIVED DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH AND OH I TOOK MY CAR UP THERE TO THEIR HOUSE AND UH I GUESS I HAD A CRACK IN THE BLOCK AND WHEN I GOT UP THERE THE CAR OKAY IS IT MIKE YES I TRY TO WHENEVER I CAN I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A A +NOISE+ I DO YOU REPAIR YOUR OWN CAR GUESS A PRODUCT OF A HANDYMAN FATHER WELL I TELL YOU WHAT THAT'S COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS BECAUSE UH IT REALLY IS GOOD WHEN SOMEONE CAN DO SOME YEAH THINGS TO A CAR THEMSELVES YEAH THERE'S ALTHOUGH I'LL TELL YOU YOU KNOW OVER THE YEARS THE CARS GET MORE COMPLICATED WELL THAT'S WHY I DON'T DO AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE RIGHT YEAH BECAUSE THEY ARE I MEAN THEY'VE GOT THEY'VE GOTTEN COMPLICATED HAVEN'T THEY +NOISE+ YES ONE OF MY FIRST CARS WAS A FIFTY SIX BUICK UH-HUH WHICH AFTER AWHILE I COULD YOU KNOW TAKE IT APART IN MY SLEEP IF I NEEDED TO IS THAT RIGHT +NOISE+ YEAH IT IT GOT TO BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO UNDERSTAND AND NOW SINCE THEN YOU KNOW THE CLOSER A CAR IS TO A FIFTY SIX BUICK THE THE MORE I KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEN START GETTING INTO THESE NISSANS AND THE LIKE AND I JUST CAN'T KEEP UP YEAH I I AGREE ABOUT ALL I EVER I NEVER WAS TOO MECHANICALLY INCLINED BUT I USED TO ALWAYS CHANGE MY OWN OIL AND DO THE POINTS AND PLUGS AND YEAH COURSE THEY DON'T USE UH +NOISE+ POINTS ANYMORE THAT'S RIGHT +NOISE+ YEAH BUT +NOISE+ UH THEY DO STILL USE PLUGS YEAH UH-HUH YES AND UH NOW BRAKES I'VE ALWAYS DONE A LOT OF YOU KNOW CHANGING BRAKES +NOISE+ AND I USED TO DO I COULD ALWAYS DO THE ALTERNATOR YOU KNOW AND STARTER I DON'T ANYMORE BUT I HAVE ON A LOT A LOT OF TIMES UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH YES I UNDERSTAND MY LAST CAR REPAIR ACTUALLY HAD TO DO WITH BRAKES AND IT'S ONE I DID NOT DO MYSELF I TOOK THE CAR MY I HAVE A SEVENTY NINE EL DORADO TOOK IT TO BE INSPECTED AND THE PARKING BRAKE FAILED SO I GOT UNDER THERE AND MESSED WITH THE THE THAT UH THAT ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE TO TIGHTEN IT UP AND THAT DIDN'T DO THE TRICK AND THEN I GOT THERE AND TRIED TO IT PROBABLY SLIPPED LOOSE DIDN'T IT WELL ACTUALLY THAT WASN'T EVEN EVENTUALLY THE PROBLEM I I DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT I I DID EVERYTHING THAT I COULD THINK TO DO UH-HUH UH-HUH AND EVENTUALLY I BROUGHT IT UP TO A A PLACE CALLED JUST BRAKES AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S A THE PARKING BRAKE IN THE REAR THERE'S A THERE'S DISC BRAKES AND THE PARKING BRAKE IS A PISTON DEAL UH OH +NOISE+ WELL IT REALLY WASN'T QUITE AS BAD AS YOU THOUGHT WAS IT WAS IT AND BECAUSE THE PARKING BRAKE HADN'T BEEN USED IN SO MANY YEARS THE PISTON FROZE UP SO THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO POUND IT OUT AND ONE OF THEM THEY WERE ABLE TO GET RUNNING UH KIND OF OILING IT AND PLAYING WITH IT AND THE OTHER ONE THEY JUST IT WAS JUST FROZEN SOLID SO I ENDED UP HAVING TO BUY ONE AND ALL TOTAL IT WAS JUST UNDER TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS BELIEVE IT OR NOT TO GET ALL THAT DONE +NOISE+ YEAH ACTUALLY I I THINK IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY BUT I I DON'T LIKE I WELL IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY BUT YEAH BUT I IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON SO YOU HAD TO HAVE THE HELP DIDN'T YOU THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT YEAH WELL DO YOU STILL DO MUCH WORK ON THEM THEN I DO ACTUALLY THAT WAS JUST A AT AT THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND WHENEVER I CAN I DO TRY I +NOISE+ ACTUALLY I'D SAY THIS I I'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I DON'T CHANGE THE OIL ANYMORE ONLY BECAUSE DISPOSAL IS A PROBLEM THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE WELL THAT IS ONE PROBLEM BUT ALSO THESE UH THESE FAST OIL CHANGE PLACES YOU JUST CAN'T BEAT THEM FOR SIXTEEN BUCKS THEY'LL NOT ONLY WILL THEY CHANGE THE OIL IN TEN MINUTES AND DO A YOU KNOW AS GOOD A JOB AS I CAN DO BUT THEY'LL UH LUBE TOO +NOISE+ RIGHT THAT THAT I'VE I'VE QUIT DOING THAT MYSELF YEAH AND BUT ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WAS THE DISPOSAL OF THE OIL YOU KNOW +NOISE+ AND UH BUT IT BUT NO I GUESS THAT AND THE MAIN REASON THAT IT'S IT'S QUICK YEP THAT'S RIGHT OKAY UH I'M VERY UNHANDY IN THESE THINGS AND UH I DON'T LIKE TO DO ANYTHING MYSELF OH YEAH I LIKE TO HAVE A SERVICE STATION THAT I CAN FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT YEAH I UH WHICH IS PROBLEMATICAL I'VE BEEN WORKING ON MY CAR SINCE OR ACTUALLY ON ON CARS SINCE I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT FOURTEEN UH-HUH UH I'VE I'VE GOT A SIXTY SIX MUSTANG OUT IN THE BACK THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET RUNNING HERE LATELY THAT'S GIVING ME A LOT OF PROBLEMS THE CLUTCH AND STUFF AND WORKING OUTRIGHT AND EVERY TIME I TRY TO PUT THE BATTERY IN IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CHARGE ON IT SO I HAVE TO TAKE IT OVER TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE AND GET IT CHARGED UP AGAIN AND TRY IT AGAIN IT RAINED HERE ALL LAST WEEK SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO IT IS IS THE PROBLEM THAT IT'S HARD TO GET THE APPROPRIATE BATTERY AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS FOR A SIXTY SIX CAR UH NO IT'S NOT UH UH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WITH THE BATTERY I THINK IT'S JUST THAT EVERY TIME I CHARGE IT UP IT IT HAS TO SIT I I I WENT AND GOT A NEW BATTERY AND BROUGHT IT HOME AND THEN IT SAT THERE FOR TWO WEEKS SO I WENT OVER TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE AND CHARGED IT UP AND THEN IT STARTED RAINING SO I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT FOR ANOTHER WEEK SO I'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT OVER THERE AND GET IT CHARGED AGAIN AND MAYBE I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IF THAT WON'T GET IT GOING TOMORROW BUT UH BUT MY MAIN PROBLEM'S BEEN MY CLUTCH I +NOISE+ IS DO YOU RELY ON THIS CAR FOR FOR PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION OR I'M SUPPOSED TO EXCUSE ME I'M SORRY I I SAID I'M SUPPOSED TO IT UH IT'S BEEN DOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND I'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH IT SO ARE YOU STRUGGLING TO GET AROUND AS A RESULT YEAH I HAVE TO RELY ON FRIENDS AND PARENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO YOU YOU DON'T DO ANY KIND OF CAR WORK UH TRY NOT TO ANYWAY I TRY NOT TO UH YEAH +NOISE+ I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YEAH I SUPPOSE I OUGHT TO LEARN TO CHANGE THE OIL AND THINGS I COULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY DOING THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I IT'S NOT THE MOST FUN IN THE WORLD BUT IT IT LIKE YOU SAID IT IS IT IS CHEAPER ON YOURSELF TO TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT YOURSELF THAN GO SPEND FIFTY SIXTY DOLLARS TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE YOU KNOW JUST CHANGE YOUR OIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YEAH YEAH I MEAN IT MUST BE GREAT TO TO TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON YOU CAN BOTH DO THINGS YOURSELF AND TALK CONFIDENTLY WITH PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE TO GET PARTS OR WHATEVER THAT'S UH I THINK THAT'S WHAT MY NEXT OPTION IS IF IF THE CLUTCH DOESN'T WORK RIGHT TO TAKE IT TO SOMEBODY AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T DECIPHER WHAT THE PROBLEM IS I I HAVE A FEELING MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT I'VE I'VE PUT TOO STRONG OF A CLUTCH IN IT BECAUSE I'VE GOT IT'S A IT'S A STRAIGHT SIX TWO HUNDRED WITH A THREE SPEED TRANSMISSION IN IT AND I'VE TRIED TO PUT A RACING CLUTCH IN IT WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO YOU KNOW I THINK THAT MAY BE WHAT MY PROBLEM IS IT'S IT'S TOO MUCH CLUTCH FOR THE AMOUNT OF ENGINE I'VE GOT BUT UH WE'LL SEE WAS IT EASY TO GET PARDON A MORE APPROPRIATE CLUTCH YEAH IT'S IT I JUST DROVE TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD PARTS STORE AND GET ANOTHER ONE IT'S JUST WHEN I WHEN I HAD TO ENGINE REBUILT I DECIDED TO TRY UH A BETTER CLUTCH SO THAT I'D QUIT CHANGING THEM OUT EVERY SIX MONTHS I I HAVE A SLIGHT LEAD FOOT YOU HAVE A SLIGHT A SLIGHT LEAD FOOT YES IT MEANS IT MEANS I'VE ALWAYS GOT MY FOOT IN THE GAS AND AND THE OTHER ONE IN THE CLUTCH SO I I BURN UP THE CLUTCH A LOT OH IT'S NOT GOOD FOR IT BUT UH UH ANY ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT UH ANYTHING EASY TO WORK ON OVER THERE OR ARE YOU TRYING TO GET YOURSELF INTO WORKING ON CARS OR WHAT WELL THE CAR I DRIVE IS AN EIGHTY FOUR YEAH YEAH AND IT'S REACHED THE POINT WHERE VARIOUS THINGS ARE ARE GOING WRONG WITH IT AND IT'S HAD TO BE IN RECENTLY IT NEEDED A NEW BATTERY IT WOULDN'T START YEAH UH MY WIFE AND I DID MANAGE TO TO UH RECHARGE THE BATTERY FROM THE OTHER CAR UH AND THE EXHAUST SYSTEM HAS NEEDED WORK YEAH YEAH AND UH UH SO THE SO THE LATEST WORK DONE IT JUST YESTERDAY WAS TO HAVE THE FRONT WHEELS ALIGNED UH SO WE'VE BEEN SPENDING DON'T DON'T DON'T TELL ME LET ME GUESS YOUR WARRANTY JUST RAN OUT AND NOW EVERYTHING GOES WRONG RIGHT +NOISE+ YES IN FACT IN FACT ON THE BATTERY UH UH IT'S THE OLD ONE THAT HAD A FOUR YEAR WARRANTY AND THE DAY IT GAVE UP WAS FOUR YEARS AND SIX DAYS UH TYPICAL +NOISE+ I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER CARS MANUFACTURERS AND THE MANUFACTURERS OF NEW PARTS FOR THEM THEY PUT THE WARRANTIES ON THERE AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO RUN OUT WHEN THE WHEN THE PART IS GOING TO IS GOING TO BREAK DOWN ALL RIGHT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE LAST THING YOU HAD DONE BERNEY OH THE LAST THING I HAD DONE OR DID LET'S SEE UH +NOISE+ WAS GETTING A AN OLD SEVENTY EIGHT JEEP CHEROKEE READY TO TRADE IN UH-HUH AND UH SO I WAS BASICALLY JUST GOING AROUND AND DOING WHAT I COULD DO FIXING DOOR LOCKS AND CHECKING THE TRANSFER CASE FLUID AND THINGS LIKE THAT I'M KIND OF A MOTOR HEAD MYSELF SO THIS TOPIC IS +NOISE+ ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD FOR ME UH-HUH HUH UH I'VE GOT A SEVENTY CHEVELLE THAT I'M RESTORING TOO SO IT'S UH THERE'S CONSTANT WORK GOING ON TO THAT CAR YEAH SO YOU DO A LOT OF A LOT OF REPAIRS FOR YOURSELF YEAH YEAH YEAH I DIDN'T UH USED TO DO TOO MANY REPAIRS BUT I GOT WE ENDED UP WITH A REAL OLD UH CAR THAT KIND OF NEEDED CONSTANT REPAIRS JUST TO KEEP IT RUNNING SURE UH-HUH AND UH IT GOT TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO TAKE IT IN SO I STARTED UH I GUESS THE FIRST THING I DID WAS REPLACE THE YOU KNOW I DID SPARKPLUGS AND THINGS AND AND THEN I IT NEEDED A STARTER SO I REPLACED THAT IT NEEDED A WATER PUHP SO I REPLACED THAT AND UH JUST ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO I HAD TO CHANGE AN INTACT MANIFOLD GASKET OH WOW WHICH WAS WHICH FOR ME WAS YOU KNOW I'D BE I'M I'M FORTY I HAVE NEVER DONE MUCH AUTO REPAIRS UNTIL ABOUT THE LAST YEAR OR SO SO TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE CARBURETOR OFF AND THE YEAH UH-HUH GAR THAT'S SOME THAT'S SOME SERIOUS WORK NOT ONLY UH YOU HAVE TO HAVE A YEAH IT WAS UH IT WAS YEAH BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF QUITE A FEW OF THE THE SYSTEMS THERE TO TO DO THAT GAR YEAH YEAH WELL I DIDN'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE MUCH KNOWLEDGE OF THE SYSTEMS BUT I JUST KIND OF KNOW YOU KNOW I I MAKE NOTE OF WHEN I TAKE A GAR OFF AND AND UH +NOISE+ SO YOU KNOW GENERALLY IF YOU JUST KIND OF MAKE MAKE NOTE OF WHERE EVERYTHING GOES AS YOU ARE TAKING IT OFF UH YOU CAN HAVE YOU TRIED ANY LIKE THE CHILTON'S UH MANUALS NO HOW ARE THEY UH-HUH OH I I RECOMMEND THEM I'VE UH I UH I HAVE A CHILTON'S MANUAL IN MY CHEVELLE AND EVERY ANYTIME I UNDERTAKE ANYTHING THAT I START WITH THAT THAT BOOK YEAH YEAH WELL DOES IT TELL YOU KIND OF A STEP BY STEP HOW TO TYPE OF THING OH IT DOES HUH YEAH YEAH THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD UH THE ONLY PROBLEM I'VE NOTICED WITH THEM IS THAT WHEN I STARTED WORKING ON CARS I UH +NOISE+ UH DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH KNOWLEDGE OF THEM AT ALL AND AND YOU KNOW IT'S HARD THE LANGUAGE OF AUTOMOTIVE MECHANICS IS A LANGUAGE ALL IT'S OWN UH-HUH YEAH AND JUST THE NAMES OF SOME OF THE PARTS YOU KNOW THEY TELL YOU TO PUT THE WRENCH ON SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW YEAH I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT TRYING TO TALK TO PEOPLE WITH PARTS SHOPS NOW +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH YOU KNOW AND IT TOOK AWHILE BEFORE YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT EVERYTHING IS AND UH AND WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH IT BUT I THINK IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN THAN STARTING FROM STARTING COLD AND THAT'S FOR SURE NO YEAH +NOISE+ WHAT KIND OF UH WELL YOU PRETTY WELL DO EVERYTHING YEAH UH-HUH YEAH I USED TO UH PAY TO HAVE TUNE UPS DONE AND UH OH BRAKE JOBS AND THINGS AND KIND OF HAD TO DO THEM +NOISE+ ON THIS OLD CAR AND AND UH I I DON'T THINK I'D EVER PAY TO HAVE SOMEONE PUT PLUGS AND AND THINGS IN AND THEN THE BRAKE CHANGING BRAKE PADS WAS THAT WAS EASY OH I KNOW BRAKE JOB RIGHT THAT WAS NOTHING THAT WAS NOTHING I YOU KNOW I DIDN'T HAVE TO BLEED THE LINES DOWN OR ANYTHING BUT IT LOOKED LIKE IF YOU WERE JUST UH IT LOOKED LIKE IN MOST CASES YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T GET AIR IN THOSE LINES IS THAT RIGHT WELL I I DON'T KNOW I'VE GOT I'VE GOTTEN THE CHEVELLE I'VE DID DONE THE BRAKES ALL THE WAY AROUND IT MYSELF AND UH YEAH THAT WAS EASY OKAY TOUGHER YEAH YEAH WELL THIS ONE HAS GOT DRUH BRAKES THOUGH DRUH DRUH BRAKES ARE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER THAN DISC BRAKES BUT UH BUT STILL IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT THAT YOU KNOW IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PUTTING THE PARTS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THERE ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WRONG TO IT YEAH THEY DID UH AND THOSE ONES DID HAVE TO HAVE THE LINES BLEED THOUGH BUT BUT BLEEDING THE LINES IS JUST A MATTER OF UH YOU KNOW JUST HAVING SOMEBODY ON THE UH PUHPING THE THE BRAKE PEDAL FOR YOU AND WHEN IT IS YEAH AND YOU JUST OPEN A A VALVE OF SOME SORT UNTIL UNTIL FLUID COMES OUT I GUESS AND YEAH YEAH EXACTLY SURE YEAH WELL THAT UH THE DISC BRAKES I MEAN THAT YOU KNOW I I USED TO PAY LIKE SIXTY SEVENTY DOLLARS TO HAVE THAT DONE I I SPENT TEN BUCKS ON PADS YEAH YEAH AND IT TOOK A COUPLE HOURS AND THEY JUST THEY JUST SNAP IN BASICALLY I MEAN IT WAS IT WAS UH IT WAS EASY YEAH THERE'S NO NOT NOT TOO MUCH TRICK FOR THAT YEAH YEAH YEAH +NOISE+ OR UH BUY I JUST THIS NEW VEHICLE I BUY JUST BOUGHT A NINETY ONE G_M C SONOMO WHICH IS A LITTLE PICKUP TRUCK WITH A AND I'M WONDERING WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON THIS THING HOW MUCH I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MYSELF AND HOW MUCH IS GOING TO REQUIRE ALL THEIR DIAGNOSTICS AND ALL THAT IT LOOKS PRETTY SIMPLE I USED TO HAVE AN EIGHTY FIVE CHRYSLER LASER AND THIS ONE CERTAINLY LOOKS A LOT MORE SIMPLE THAN THAN THAT MOTOR UH-HUH YEAH HUH BUT UH I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO FUEL INJECTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND EVERYTHING IS FUEL INJECTED SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UH HOW THAT WILL WILL BE THE ONLY THING I'VE EVER DONE ON A FUEL INJECTOR IS REPLACE THE HOSE ON IT IT WAS LEAKING SO +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW I LIKE THE OLD CARS YOU OPEN UP THE HOOD ON MY CHEVELLE AND THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THERE BUT A BIG MOTOR AND UH +NOISE+ YOU KNOW NO SEEM TO HAVE THE TOPIC ALREADY ON TOP OF TIP OF YOUR TONGUE THERE SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND START YES SIR YEAH ISN'T THE UH THE SUBJECT AUTO REPAIR FOR TONIGHT YEAH THAT'S GREAT THE REASON I SAY THAT IS PRETTY TIMELY BECAUSE JUST TONIGHT I WENT OUT AND CHANGED THE OIL IN MY CAR AND OKAY RIGHT EXACTLY +NOISE+ THAT'S SOMETHING I LIKE TO DO AND UH SOMETHING I SOMETHING I CAN DO WITH NOW THE SOPHISTICATED AUTO CARS WE HAVE TODAY WITH ALL THE COMPUTERS AND EVERYTHING IT'S UH AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT AND ELECTRONIC ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON A CAR BUT I DO LIKE TO GET OUT AND TINKER WITH A CAR AND IT'S SOMETHING I CAN DO STILL DO YOU ENJOY WORKING WITH YOUR CAR +NOISE+ I SURE DO I UH IN FACT THE LAST THING I HAVE I'VE DONE I I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT IS I'VE HAD TO HAVE OIL CHANGES DONE MYSELF BECAUSE I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OH DEAR WORK ON OUR VEHICLE WE CAN'T EVEN WASH OUR VEHICLE SO OH THAT'S TOO BAD OH UH BUT THE LAST THING I CAN REMEMBER DOING I HAD A SIXTY SIX MUSTANG AND THAT WAS ALL RIGHT BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID THAT WAS PRE TECHNOLOGY DAYS I GUESS OH YES AND UH YOU KNOW YOU COULD DO A LOT OF IT YOURSELF STILL AND UH I DIDN'T TINKER TOO MUCH WITH THE ENGINE IT WAS IT WAS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE BUT MY MAIN CONCERN AND WHAT I ENJOY DOING WAS WAS THE INTERIOR OH AND UH IT WAS IT WAS PRETTY SHELLED UH BUT IT WAS FUN IT WAS TAKING THE WHOLE THING YOU KNOW THE WHOLE INTERIOR APART AND YOU KNOW ORDERING NEW CARPETING AND UH AND DID YOU INSTALL ALL THAT YOURSELF RIGHT AND WELL THAT WAS I BET THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN IT IT WAS I MY WIFE ENJOYED UH SHE YOU KNOW HELPED OUT A LITTLE WE SANDED DOWN THE THE INSIDES OF THE DOOR PANELS UH-HUH AND PAINTED THOSE AND YES YOU DO +NOISE+ UH-HUH YEAH UH MY DAD HAS GOT ALL THAT AND AND I I HELPED HIM WHEN I WAS GROWING UP BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT STUFF NOW BECAUSE OF THE DRUH BRAKES I YOU KNOW DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE BUT TO TAKE THEM IN SURE UH-HUH +NOISE+ I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE OTHER THE NICEST THING ABOUT THEM IS UH EVERYTHING WAS STANDARD YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FINDING A METRIC ANYTHING YEAH THAT'S TRUE AND YOU KNOW IT IT DOESN'T DOESN'T HURT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TO HAVE THEM DONE PROFESSIONALLY TOO BECAUSE UH I WAS HELPING MY NEIGHBOR OUT AND ONE OF HIS DRUHS NEEDED TO BE RESURFACED AND I DON'T HAVE OF COURSE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT SO HE TOOK IT INTO A SHOP AND HAD IT UH RESURFACED AND AND FIXED THAT WAY BUT YEAH IT IS TRUE UH YOU KNOW I DID HAVE A SIXTY FOUR FORD TRUCK THAT I WISH I STILL HAD AND LOVED TO GET INSIDE THAT AND TINKER AROUND WITH IT AND WORK WITH IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE EXTRA EXTRA STUFF THAT'S IN THERE NOW +NOISE+ OH YEAH BOY I TELL YOU AND YOU KNOW ALL RIGHT WELL WE HAVE TWO CARS AND ON OUR LITTLE HONDA WE SO WHAT WAS THE LAST CAR REPAIR THAT YOU HAD DONE ON YOUR CAR HAD TO REPLACE SOME C V JOINTS UH-HUH AND ON OUR BIGGER CAR IT'S A CHEVROLET WE HAD TO REPAIR THE +NOISE+ CONTROL MODULE +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH THE CONTROL MODULE A MYSTERY BOX HUH YEAH YEAH RIGHT SO WE'VE HAD JUST RECENTLY A COUPLE OF THINGS THE C V JOINTS MY HUSBAND JUST DID HIMSELF AND +NOISE+ I'M GLAD HE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THAT SAVES US LOTS THAT'S LOTS OF MONEY THAT'S IMPRESSIVE HE'S ABLE TO DO A JOB LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES SPECIAL TOOLS YES HE DOES AND HE'S LUCKY IN THAT WAY TOO BECAUSE HIS HIS DAD LIVES REAL CLOSE AND HE HAS A LOT OF THE TOOLS OH THAT'S INTERESTING UH SO HE'S ABLE TO DO QUITE A FEW THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THAT'S GREAT WHAT AND SAVES QUITE A BIT OF MONEY WHAT KIND OF JOBS WOULD YOU FOLKS REPAIR REFER TO A GARAGE UH WELL WE HAD TO HAVE THE THE CHEVROLET HAD TO BE DONE BY A REPAIR MAN THE YOU KNOW THE CONTROL MODULE AND EVEN THOUGH THAT THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN TAKEN OF IN FACT WE WERE DRIVING ALONG THE OTHER NIGHT AND THE ENGINE LIGHT CAME BACK ON BUT UH-HUH THE MAN WOULDN'T THE REPAIR MAN WHEN HE FIXED IT SAID THAT IT LOOKED LIKE UH THE COMPUTER PANEL OR OR THE WHATEVER IT WAS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED ALSO AND WE DIDN'T HAVE IT DONE AT THE TIME SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL NEED TO GO BACK IN AND HAVE THAT DONE WOW SO HOW ABOUT YOURSELF WELL UH THE LAST THING THAT I HAD TO HAVE DONE TO MY CAR UH I +NOISE+ WOUND UP DOING MYSELF AND UH THAT WAS UH TUNING IT UP OH AND UH I HAD BEEN HAVING A A PROBLEM WHERE I WOULD BE DRIVING ALONG AND AND I WOULD NOTICE THIS AT NIGHT WHEN I'D BE SITTING AT A LIGHT I WOULD SEE SMOKE IN MY UH OH WOW MY HEADLIGHTS OH UH-HUH AND UH THEN LATER ON WHEN YOU KNOW I'D I'D GET OUT WHEREVER I WAS GOING I WOULD SMELL UH SOMETHING HAD BEEN BURNING OH UH-HUH OH HUH UH-HUH RIGHT UH-HUH AND I HAD PRETTY MUCH FIGURED IT WAS OIL BECAUSE I HAD LOOKED UNDER THE HOOD A COUPLE OF TIMES AND THERE WAS A A LOT MORE OIL SORT OF FLOATING AROUND THAN YOU SHOULD HAVE ON A HONDA WHICH I IRONICALLY HAVE TOO +NOISE+ YOU'D EXPECT THE CAR TO BE REALLY CLEAN INSIDE AND IT RUN REAL WELL REAL WELL AND SO ANYWAY I I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME AND DISCOVERED THAT UH UH I HAD DECIDED THAT WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THERE'S A A A LITTLE PIECE OF METAL THAT SITS OVER THE TOP OF THE VALVE TRAIN CALLED THE VALVE UH UH COVER UH-HUH OH AND UH I DECIDED THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE GASKET OR PERHAPS THE WHOLE COVER ITSELF HADN'T BEEN UH TIGHTENED DOWN WELL OR WHATEVER AND SO WHEN I WAS DOING THIS TUNE UP I DECIDED IT WAS TIME FOR ME TO EXPLORE UH-HUH +NOISE+ MY WORD HUH AND SURE ENOUGH THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS AND SO I WENT OUT AND I GOT A NEW GASKET AND SLIPPED IT IN THERE OH UH-HUH ON ON OLDER CARS UP TO I I IN FACT I HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THEY STARTED DOING THIS BUT ON THE OLDER CARS THEY USED TO MAKE THE GASKET OUT OF A CORK LIKE MATERIAL UH-HUH OH AND ON THIS CAR THEY MAKE IT OUT OF A RUBBER LIKE MATERIAL SO UH OH SO DO YOU ENJOY DOING THE REPAIRS YOURSELF UH-HUH +NOISE+ RIGHT +NOISE+ YEAH UP TO A CERTAIN POINT I USED TO DO A LOT MORE OF IT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER THAN I DO NOW UH AND I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WHEN THE WEATHER STARTS TO GET COLD THERE'S JUST NO FUN LIKE A BUSTED KNUCKLE I JUST UH I JUST CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU THE JOY I GET FROM THAT EXPERIENCE AND OH THAT'S WHAT MY HUSBAND SAYS TOO HE SAYS WHEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS AND A GOOD PLACE TO DO IT IN IT'S ENJOYABLE AND HE REALLY LIKES TO BE ABLE TO TO DO IT BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS AND YOU'RE OUT IN THE WEATHER IT'S NO FUN AT ALL SURE AND MY FINANCES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE PRECARIOUS SO UH-HUH SOMETIMES REPAIRING THE CAR IS A FINANCIAL NECESSITY RIGHT RIGHT UH BUT IT'S THE THE DOWN SIDE OF THAT IS THAT I VERY RARELY ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT TOOLS AND RIGHT OH BECAUSE YEAH YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THEM UH-HUH YEAH EXACTLY YEAH IT'S A SORT OF A CATCH TWENTY TWO IF YOU'RE WELL ENOUGH OFF TO BUY THESE EXOTIC TOOLS YOU NEED TO DO THE WORK THEN YOU CAN RIGHT GENERALLY HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT FOR YOU SO UH-HUH SO HAVE YOU FOUND UH ONE CERTAIN TYPE OF CAR NEEDS LESS REPAIR WORK THAN ANOTHER WELL UH HAVE YOU HAD THAT MANY DIFFERENT CARS OR IT'S FUNNY I'VE I'VE OWNED A LOT OF DIFFERENT CARS I STARTED OUT WITH VOLKSWAGONS AND THEN UH GRADUATED TO UH A HONDA UH-HUH UH-HUH AND HAD THAT FOR A LONG TIME AND THEN GRADUATED TO A VOLVO AND THEN WOUND UP WITH A HONDA AGAIN OH UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND SO I'VE I'VE +NOISE+ HAD THEM ALL AND AND UH UH HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE ENGINES IN EACH ONE OF THESE UH SORTS OF VEHICLES AND BUT UH I IN THE VOLKSWAGON BUSINESS I I WENT FROM YOU KNOW OWNING A BUG TO OWNING UH ONE OF THEIR CARS CALLED A RABBIT OH YES UH-HUH OH OH AND THE AND THERE WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF ENGINE IN THE RABBIT UH BUT I I ACTUALLY REBUILT A VOLKSWAGON BUG ENGINE AT ONE POINT AND UH SO I LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT CARS BOY I'LL SAY THAT WAY AND I'LL SAY WELL WE I DON'T KNOW WE'RE A LITTLE BIT PARTIAL OUR HONDA WE HAVE GOT A HUNDRED AND SAY YOU DID UH STARTERS AND BENDIX SPRINGS SUCH AS THAT ON AN OLD ONE YEAH AND UH +NOISE+ HELPED MY WIFE REPLACE SOME CARBURETORS YEAH SOME THAT SHE HAD TO UH LABEL EVERYTHING +NOISE+ YEAH BECAUSE SHE HAD TO LABEL EVERYTHING WHAT WAS SHE DRIVING IT WAS A CADILLAC UH-HUH YEAH AND THEY UH WELL +NOISE+ THEY QUIT MAKING THOSE THE QUIETER JET CARBURETOR AND THEY QUIT MAKING IT +NOISE+ THEY REBUILT IT AND IT NEVER DID NEVER DID RUN RIGHT AGAIN YEAH QUAD GAR NOT REALLY EASY TO GET REBUILT JUST RIGHT YEAH UH AND LIKE WHAT WERE YOU REPLACING THE STARTERS AND BENDIX ON UH A MAVERICK AND ALSO UH A CHRYSLER STATION WAGON BEFORE THAT YEAH DID YOU REPLACE JUST THE UH BENDIX ON THE CHRYSLER STATION WAGON OR THE WHOLE STARTER UH THE I'M REPLACING THE TWO OR THREE STARTERS ON THE CHRYSLER THEY YEAH THE STARTERS ARE KIND OF FRAGILE YEAH AND THE ESPECIALLY IF YOU NEED A TUNE UP UH-HUH THEY KEPT SAYING THAT THE THAT'S WHAT CHRYSLERS DID IS THEY WORE OUT STARTERS YEAH UH-HUH YEAH WELL IF THEY START REAL EASY YOU KNOW YOU JUST HIT THE KEY AND IT STARTS UP AND WHEN IT'S PROPERLY TUNED UP THAT STARTER WILL LAST FOR A LONG TIME SEE THEY BUILT THAT STARTER SO IT WOULD FIT EVERY V EIGHT AND ALL THE SLANT SIXES THAT THEY'VE BUILT IN LIKE THIRTY FIVE YEARS RIGHT THEY ALL TAKE THE EXACT SAME STARTER THEY'LL INTERCHANGE COMPLETELY I MEAN COMPLETELY ONE STARTER WILL FIT ALL OF THEM SO THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF TORQUE BUT TO DO THAT THEY DID IT USE AN UNDERDRIVE SYSTEM BUT THEY GEARED IT DOWN SO THE MOTOR SPINS REALLY FAST UH-HUH YEAH RIGHT SO IT'S GOT TO SPIN FOR VERY LONG IT'S KIND OF TOUGH ON THE BUSHINGS USUALLY WHAT GOES IS THE BUSHINGS YOU TAKE A LITTLE TIME REPLACE THE BUSHINGS YOU STILL GOT A PERFECTLY GOOD STARTER BUT UH MOST PLACES DON'T PUT DON'T REBUILD THEM WITH WITH WITH GOOD ENOUGH BUSHINGS UH-HUH SO IT'S YOU KNOW AFTER YOU GET REBUILT ONE YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO GO THROUGH THEM PRETTY QUICKLY ESPECIALLY IF YOU NEED A TUNE UP YEAH ANYWAY WHAT ARE YOU DRIVING NOW UH MY CHRYSLER VAN AND IT'S IT'S PRETTY MAINTENANCE FREE YOU KNOW AND UH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR AND DROVE A CHEVROLET CAVALIER STATION WAGON AND IT DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY TROUBLE AT ALL THAT'S GOOD YEAH IT WAS A LATE MODEL IS THAT CHRYSLER VAN IT'S A EIGHTY SEVEN YEAH ONE OF THE LITTLE MINI VANS UH-HUH YEAH IS A DO YOU LIKE THE WAY IT RIDES AND STUFF UH RIDES OR RUNS RIDES ROUGH IT YEAH WELL YEAH IT RIDES RIDES ROUGH IT RUNS GOOD YEAH YOU KNOW I KIND OF IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET USED TO A FOUR CYLINDER ENGINE YEAH YOU HAVE TO KIND OF WAIT FOR IT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET ON THE HIGHWAY YEAH RIGHT NOW WITHOUT GETTING SOME OF THE SPORTIER MODELS UH THE FOUR CYLINDERS AREN'T REAL PEPPY YEAH BUT UH THEY'RE STARTING TO CHANGE THAT OUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TOO YOU DRIVEN AMERICAN CARS ALL UH YEAH I'VE DRIVEN ONE UH I DROVE A VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE FOR A WHILE +NOISE+ ABOUT A MONTH UH IN A MONTH I THINK I PUT UH THREE OIL COOLERS ON IT UH EVERY TIME I TURNED AROUND I WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT UH-HUH EVERYTHING ELSE I EVER OWNED WAS AMERICAN BUILT UH MOSTLY OLDER CARS UH I'VE BEEN A MECHANIC WELL I WORKED STARTING WORKING MY FATHER'S SERVICE STATION WHEN I WAS ABOUT UH TWELVE UH-HUH SO I'VE BEEN AROUND CARS A LOT BUT UH DRIVEN A LOT OF OLD PONTIACS MY FIRST THREE CARS WERE UH SEVENTY MODEL PONTIACS A G T O AND A BONNEVILLE AND A STATION WAGON I HAD A COUPLE OF CHRYSLERS HAD A SUPER B FOR A WHILE WITH A FOUR FORTY IN IT IT WAS A LOT OF FUN BUT UH UH-HUH +NOISE+ NOT MUCH GAS MILEAGE THOUGH I DON'T KNOW GAS MILEAGE WASN'T TOO BAD IT GOT ABOUT SEVENTEEN OH WOW WELL TILL YOU GOT CRAZY WITH IT YOU KNOW YOU GET THE FOUR BARREL ALL WORKED UP AND SUDDENLY IT IT IT DROPS OFF FAST BUT YEAH LONG AS YOU DIDN'T SPIN THE TIRES TOO MUCH OR OR SPEND TOO MUCH TIME WITH THE SECONDARIES KICKED IN IT IT DIDN'T DO TOO BAD ON GAS DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK TOO HARD TO MOVE THE CAR AROUND NOW DO YOU THINK SINCE THEY STARTED WITH ELECTRONIC IGNITION THAT IT IMPROVES THE WAY THE CAR RUNS OH YEAH YEAH DEFINITELY UH-HUH YEAH THE MY LAST G_M CAR WAS A SEVENTY CHEVY STATION WAGON AND IT STILL HAD THE POINTS AND CONDENSER IN IT WHEN I REBUILT THE ENGINE ON THAT ABOUT A HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND ON THE CAR I UH PULLED THAT OLD POINTS DISTRIBUTOR OUT AND GOT AN H E I DISTRIBUTOR ELECTRONIC DISTRIBUTOR PUT INTO IT YEAH OKAY NOW THEN YOU HEARD THE QUESTION WHAT UH-HUH WELL I'LL TELL YOU I USED TO DO A LOT MORE REPAIRS WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO DO FOR YOURSELF IN CAR AUTOMOBILE REPAIRS WHEN CARS WERE EASY TO WORK ON THAN I DO NOW OKAY I DO UH I DO THE EASY STUFF NOW I CHANGE OIL UH AND THEN WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT I I'LL CHANGE SPARK PLUGS AND UH I'LL CHANGE YOU KNOW POINTS AND YOU YOU KNOW DO AIR FILTERS THAT KIND OF STUFF BUT UH I CAN'T DO AS MUCH AS I USED TO UH I USED TO DO A WHOLE LOT MORE BUT NOT ANY MORE THEY'RE JUST TOO WEIRD TO WORK ON NOW WELL +NOISE+ IS THAT THE REASON YOU'RE NOT DOING IT OR ARE YOU SO BUSY YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT UH WELL THAT'S PART OF IT YEAH PART OF IT IS LIKE YOU SAID I DON'T HAVE TIME +NOISE+ OKAY WELL BEING A FEMALE AND BEING ALONE YOU I DON'T DO ANYTHING BUT PUT GASOLINE IN MY CAR AND LET SOMEONE ELSE CHECK THE OIL EVEN UH-HUH BUT UH HAVE YOU HAD ANY MAJOR REPAIRS RECENTLY WELL UH ON THIS CAR I'VE GOT NOW NO BUT I HAD A VAN BEFORE AND IT WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND IT HAD TRANSMISSION GO OUT ON IT OH BUT FORTUNATELY THAT WAS COVERED UNDER THE WARRANTY UH OKAY WELL YOU SHOULD BE FEEL VERY FORTUNATE I HAD TO HAVE A TRANSMISSION REPLACED IN AN EIGHTY SIX AUTOMOBILE AND I'LL DECLARE THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE OH YEAH +NOISE+ YES UH-HUH +NOISE+ MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE JUST TRADED THE CAR IN YEAH SOMETIMES IT MAKES YOU WONDER UH-HUH OH IT JUST WELL I HAVE A VERY COMFORTABLE CAR AND I HAVE A HEALTH PROBLEM THAT I NEED A LARGE COMFORTABLE CAR UH-HUH +NOISE+ SO UH ANYWAY I HAVE A NEW TRANSMISSION AND I'M SURE THAT ANY OF THEM WOULD HAVE COST OR CHARGED ME ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT BUT YEAH +NOISE+ IT HURTS IT HURTS REAL BAD DID YOU TAKE IT TO A DEALERSHIP UH-HUH NO I TOOK IT TO AN INDEPENDENT OUT IN GARLAND OH I SEE I HAD UH THESE PEOPLE WERE RECOMMENDED BY A NEIGHBOR UH-HUH AND YOU KNOW THAT'S THE ONLY THING I AM NOT A NATIVE OF DALLAS OH I SEE SO THAT MEANS I HAVE TO DEPEND ON ON TRUSTWORTHY FRIENDS RIGHT AND THAT'S ANYWAY IT'S FIXED IT'S RUNNING AND I PRAY THAT I GET MY THIRTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS OUT OF IT UH-HUH OH GOSH IT'S GOING TO RUN FOR A FOR A WHILE YET +NOISE+ OH I KNOW IT IT CERTAINLY IS FRIGHTENING WHAT WORK ARE YOU IN OH UH I I WORK FOR T_I I I WORK IN THE NETWORKING AREA OKAY OKAY DO YOU WORK FOR T_I NO OKAY NO NO I HAVE JUST RETIRED FROM UH THE SOUTHWEST MEDICAL CENTER YEAH WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE THAT COULD HELP ME WITH MY CAR BUT THEY'RE ALL TOO BUSY SO OH +NOISE+ YEAH I HAVE TO +NOISE+ DO IT THE OTHER WAY AND THAT'S FIND SOMEONE AND PAY THEM TO DO IT YEAH YEAH SO I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE NEW YEAR OH YEAH I'M I'M PLANNING ON IT OH IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN LAST YEAR THAT'S FOR SURE +NOISE+ OH IT COULD BE BUT I DON'T MUCH THINK SO +NOISE+ YEAH THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE I'M WELL WE'RE STARTING OUT A NEW ONE SO LET'S MAKE IT A GOOD ONE YEAH I'M GOING TO TRY AND PLAN ON IT OKAY ALL RIGHT WELL I ENJOYED THE CONVERSATION THANK YOU BYE BYE_BYE ALL RIGHT THANK YOU BYE_BYE ALL RIGHT ARE YOU SUCCESSFUL IN FINDING A GOOD MECHANIC TO WORK ON YOUR CAR WELL I JUST UH I HAVE A THUNDERBIRD THAT I SPENT LAST MONTH TWELVE HUNDRED BUCKS JUST ON GETTING REPAIRS TO OH MY BUT +NOISE+ THAT'S A THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILE TUNE UP SO I GUESS IF IT GIVES ME ANOTHER FIFTY THOUSAND IN BETWEEN I'LL BE HAPPY WITH IT BUT UH +NOISE+ WELL I'M LUCKY TO GET THAT MILEAGE OUT OF A CAR MOST OF MINE GO BELLY UP ABOUT EIGHTY THOUSAND MILES YEAH WELL I'M KIND OF HARD ON A CAR UH I FIND THAT IN MOST CASES THE THE SERVICE THAT YOU GET PARTICULARLY AT THE UH DEALERS UH AT LEAST IN THE WASHINGTON AREA IS SO BAD THAT I'M I JUST HATE TO TAKE A CAR IN TO HAVE THEM WORK ON IT WELL I TELL YOU IT'S EXPENSIVE IF YOU TRY AND KEEP THEM RUNNING YOU KNOW KEEP THEM SO THEY'RE TOP SHAPE UH I DON'T WELL +NOISE+ SO I GENERALLY RUN A CAR UNTIL IT FALLS APART AND +NOISE+ AND THEN I FIX IT WHAT WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU DO UH I'M AN ELECTRONICS ENGINEER UH-HUH I MEAN DO YOU TRAVEL A LOT IN YOUR JOB OR NOT OH OKAY NO I UH TRAVEL VERY LITTLE SO I HAVE TO DO THE UH COMMUTING BIT AND GET IN THE TRAFFIC JAM EVERY MORNING AND EVENING AND THAT'S GOOD AND HARD ON A CAR YEAH YEAH IT UH I UH I COVER MOST OF TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA WITH SOME OF THE LINES THAT I SELL AND AND I'LL PUT ON THIRTY FIVE FORTY THOUSAND MILES A YEAR BUT UH IT OH MY YEAH YOU CAN RUN UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT YEAH AND YOU GOT TO KEEP THE CAR IN GOOD SHAPE WHEN YOU DO THAT UH I I'M ON MY THIRD SET OF TIRES ON THIS THING AND UH YOU KNOW BRAKE JOB AND YOU KNOW SHOCKS YOU YOU DO THE WHOLE THING IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT GOING AND ABOUT THE ONLY REALLY AGGRAVATION WAS WHEN THEY HAD A UH IT TURNED OUT THEY HAD TO CHANGE PROCESSOR OUT ON THE CAR WHICH DOESN'T SEEM THAT DIFFICULT A THING TO DO BUT IT TOOK THEM A WEEK BEFORE THEY REALIZED THAT THEY HAD TWO OTHER BAD PROCESSORS +NOISE+ UH-HUH +NOISE+ AND UH WITHOUT A CAR FOR A WEEK IN MY BUSINESS IT'S RATHER DIFFICULT +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH +NOISE+ WELL ONE OF THE FUNNIEST STORIES I REMEMBER IS A BOSS THAT I HAD ONE TIME HAD AN ALFA ROMEO +NOISE+ AND HE HIT A BAD RAILROAD CROSSING SOMEWHERE AND KNOCKED THE OIL PAN OUT ON THE CAR AND HE TOOK IT IN TO HAVE THE OIL PAN REPLACED AND THEY REPLACED IT AND IT WAS JUST LEAKING OIL CONSTANTLY AND THEY HE KEPT TAKING IT BACK TO GET THE OIL PAN FIXED AND UH +NOISE+ THEY NEVER COULD FIX IT AND AFTER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF +NOISE+ THEY FINALLY REALIZED THAT THE PAN THAT THEY'D REPLACED ON THAT DID NOT GO WITH THAT SERIAL NUHBER ENGINE AND SO THEY ORDERED THE RIGHT ONE +NOISE+ AND HE CAME IN ALL BEAMING AND PROUD +NOISE+ THAT THIS THING HAD FINALLY BEEN FIXED AND HADN'T USED A DROP OF OIL IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE DAYS AND UH WELL HE WOULD GO OUT AT LUNCHTIME AND HE FOR MONTHS AFTERWARDS HE'D COME BACK AND HE'D LOOK AT HIS PARKING SPOT AT HIS OFFICE AND THERE WAS THIS PUDDLE OF OIL THERE AND HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON HE'D CHECK HIS OIL AND YOU KNOW IT WOULD STILL BE UP THERE AND IT HADN'T HADN'T ADDED ANY OIL BUT THERE WAS THIS OIL SLICK IN HIS PARKING SPOT WELL WHAT HE DIDN'T KNOW WAS THE MECHANICAL ENGINEER THAT WORKED FOR HIM WAS KIND OF A MISCHIEVOUS TYPE PERSON AND EVERY LUNCHTIME WHEN HE'D GO OUT TO LUNCH THE THE THE MECHANICAL ENGINEER WOULD GO INTO THE SHOP AND HE'D THE USED OIL AND COME OUT AND POUR IT IN HIS PARKING SPOT +NOISE+ I DON'T THINK HE EVER DID I THINK THAT MECHANIC WENT SOMEPLACE ELSE TO WORK +NOISE+ BEFORE THE OIL SLICK EVER CLEARED UP +NOISE+ I I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME AND UH THE AUTO AT LEAST DOWN HERE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT THE SAME PROBLEM WHERE UH THEY ONLY HAVE PROBABLY ONE REALLY QUALIFIED MECHANIC IN THE WHOLE GARAGE AND UH THE REST ARE MAYBE A LEVEL ABOVE OR PERHAPS AT THE GREASE MONKEY LEVEL AND YET THEY'LL THEY'LL CHARGE YOU FOR BRAIN SURGERY ON THESE CARS AS THOUGH THEY ALL KNOW EVERYTHING +NOISE+ BUT +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ FOUR OR FIVE DAYS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THAT'S FUNNY +NOISE+ HOW LONG DID IT TAKE HIM TO CATCH ON TO THAT ONE +NOISE+ THAT DROVE HIM NUTS +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THAT'S A GOOD ONE OH THAT'S NASTY JUST DRIVING THIS GUY CRAZY PROBABLY COULDN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT WORRYING ABOUT HIS EXPENSIVE CAR GETTING BLOWN UP AND +NOISE+ THAT IS FUNNY THAT IS FUNNY +NOISE+ I GOT A CUSTOMER THAT UH HAS A JAGUAR AND HE AND HIS WIFE HAD ONE HE SAYS WELL IF YOU HAVE A JAGUAR YOU GOT TO HAVE TWO ONE FOR THE SHOP AND ONE TO DRIVE +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YEAH HE HE WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT OIL WAS COMING FROM HE'S CHECKING HIS DIPSTICK EVERY DAY +NOISE+ +NOISE+ WELL EVERY TIME I HEAR SOMEBODY BUYING AN M G I ASK THEM IF THEY UH THEY PAID THE EXTRA PRICE TO GET THE TOOL KIT +NOISE+ OH WELL I DON'T KNOW UH WHAT AGE YOU ARE BUT WHEN I WAS A KID THE CARS YOU COULD YOU COULD FIX THEM YOU KNOW I WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE I RECALL ONE TIME YEAH OKAY OKAY RON WELCOME TO THE NET AND UH WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT YOUR LAST AUTO REPAIR OH AND MIGHT YOU SAY WHAT KIND OF CARS YOU HAVE AND SO FORTH WELL LARRY MY LAST ONE UNFORTUNATELY WAS A AN EXPENSIVE ONE BECAUSE I HAD A BRAND NEW LINCOLN TOWN CAR AND UH AND A COUPLE OF LADIES RAN A STOP LIGHT THE LIGHTS WEREN'T WORKING PROPERLY IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT BUT WE THEY DIDN'T RUN IT WE BOTH HAD GREEN AND SHE HIT ME AND DID ABOUT ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE TO MY CAR SO MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS THAT'S THAT WAS A HUGE REPAIR BILL WELL THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH FOR A TOTAL IS IT I KNOW I HATED THAT IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE AUTOMOBILE SO IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO TOTAL IT BUT THAT'S MY THAT'S BEEN MY MOST UH EXPENSIVE REPAIR PROBABLY IN THE LAST YEAR WITH THE EXCEPT OF JUST SERVICE WORK BECAUSE I BUY A NEW CAR EVERY TWO YEARS AND OH AND DO YOU BUY ONE EVERY TWO YEARS WELL I TRAVEL A LOT SO UH-HUH YOU KNOW UH THIS LAST ONE I LEASED SO I DON'T KNOW AND I LEASED IT ON A TWENTY FOUR MONTH PROGRAM FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THAT BUT I'LL PROBABLY GO BACK TO BUYING THEM BECAUSE I DON'T CARE TO LEASE THEM +NOISE+ DID THIS CAR HAVE ONE OF THESE EXPANDING BALLOONS OR JUST ARE THERE NORMAL SAFETY BELTS IN IT THAT YOU HAD NO IT HAS THE EXPANDING BALLOONS DID THAT HELP YOU UH IT THEY DIDN'T GO OFF THEY DIDN'T GO OFF GAR NO I GUESS WE WEREN'T GOING THAT SORT OF UPSET ME WE WEREN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH WHEN I CALLED THE DEALERSHIP ABOUT IT AND CALLED FORD MOTOR ABOUT IT BUT NO SIR DIDN'T GO OFF UH WE WERE IT WAS A BAD RAINY DARK DREARY DAY AND AND THE STREET LIGHTS BUT YOU WERE HIT IN THE SIDE WEREN'T YOU YES THAT MAY BE THE PROBLEM YOU YOU MAY YOU MAY NEED TO BE HIT FROM SOMETHING THE LEANING TOWARDS THE FORWARD YES TO ACTIVATE IT TOOK OFF MY WHOLE FRONT FENDER AND HOOD AND EVERYTHING I TELL YOU JUST MY GOODNESS UH-HUH TOOK IT ALL OFF IT WAS UH UH MY DOORS WERE OKAY FRONT AND BACK BUT IT DID UH RIGHT ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS IN DAMAGE IT WAS A THEN I GET IT BACK AND TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT I'M DRIVING IT IN FRONT OF THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL AND SOME YOUNG MAN JUST WASN'T PAYING ANY ATTENTION AND RUNS IN THE BACK OF ME THAT'S ANOTHER TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE +NOISE+ MY GOODNESS SO I'M GOING TO GET WHEN MY TWENTY FOUR MONTHS IS UP ON THIS CAR I'M GETTING RID OF THIS CAR +NOISE+ I WOULD THINK SO +NOISE+ THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'VE GOT VERY GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE MY GOLLY HOW ABOUT YOU LARRY +NOISE+ WELL I'M RELATIVELY FORTUNATE ABOUT THAT UH HERE WE SOMEHOW DON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE RUN INTO US ALTHOUGH AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH SCHOOL SEASON UH STUDENTS MOVE INTO TOWN WHO ARE FROM BIG CITIES AND THEY SORT OF DRIVE KIND OF WILD FOR ABOUT TWO THREE WEEKS THEN THEY FINALLY SETTLE DOWN AND REALIZE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE THAT WAY HERE I UNDERSTAND AND NOW THAT TAKES THE STRAIN OUT OFF OF EVERYONE THAT UH IS DRIVING A VEHICLE AND I FIND THAT THE MOST OF THE REPAIRS I HAVE TO DO HERE IS BODY DAMAGE DUE TO THE SALT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT ON THE ROAD TO UH TAKE CARE OF US IN THE WINTER TIME I UNDERSTAND UH I HAVE A SIXTY NINE COUGAR AND A SEVENTY SEVEN PONTIAC SO FORTH AND I HAVE TO AND I DRIVE A HONDA MOST OF THE TIME AND +NOISE+ I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT UH SALT AND SO FORTH ARE KEPT OFF OF IT AND ONCE IN A WHILE WE HAVE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE PLATES IN THE BOTTOM OF IT SURE BECAUSE IT'S RUSTED AWAY I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I'M FROM WEST VIRGINIA AND WE HAD THE SAME THING UP THERE CONTINUOUSLY SALTING THE ROADS FOR SNOW SURE +NOISE+ UH-HUH WELL I JUST I I HAD THIS COUGAR TOTALLY UH THE BODY OF IT TOTALLY REBUILT UH TO GET SOME OF THE RUSTS THAT WERE IN THE FENDERS UH DONE AND THEN IT ALL REPAINTED AND THEN +NOISE+ WINTER GOT HERE AND SO I PUT THE COVER OVER IT THEN TO KEEP THE ICE AND SNOW OFF +NOISE+ SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DRIVE IT VERY MUCH +NOISE+ BUT ANYHOW UH NOW ARE YOU GOING TO BUY THIS NEXT CAR OR YOU GOING RENT IT LEASE IT AGAIN ARE YOU UH-HUH NO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO BUY IT LARRY I DON'T LIKE THE RENTAL I THINK I'M GETTING READY TO RETIRE MYSELF AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO BE YOU KNOW DRIVING A CAR FOR LONGER SO I USUALLY DRIVE A CAR FOR THREE YEARS AND AND ANYWAY AND SO BUT LAST COUPLE OF CARS I'VE ONLY DRIVEN FOR TWO YEARS AND SO I'D LEASED THIS ONE FOR TWO YEARS SO I'LL PROBABLY GO BACK AND BUY ONE AND UH THIS NEXT CAR WILL PROBABLY BE MY RETIREMENT CAR WELL NO SIR WELL THAT'S AN AWFULLY BIG ONE THAT UH THAT ONE THAT YOU HAD THAT LINCOLN UH ISN'T IT TOO LARGE FOR NORMAL TOWN DRIVING FINDING PARKING PLACES AND GETTING IN AND OUT THE DOORS UH-HUH UH YEAH NOT REALLY NOT REALLY UH NO PROBLEM AT ALL MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER WE HAVE UH TWO TOYOTAS IN THE FAMILY ONE NISSAN AND THEN WE HAVE THE LINCOLN AND THE NOT REALLY NO PROBLEM THERE AT ALL AS AS FAR AS FINDING PARKING PLACES IT'S IT'S CONVENIENT IN THAT IN THAT REGARD WELL THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A WONDERFUL COMFORTABLE MACHINE TO TAKE ON LONG TRIPS YES IT IS AND I I'M I'M VERY MUCH AWARE OF THAT AND I TRAVEL I'M LIKE A TRAVELING SALESMAN DON'T TRAVEL A LOT ANY MORE BUT UH WHEN I DO TAKE IT IT IS VERY COMFORTABLE TO DRIVE YES I'M SURE IT IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THAT I ENJOY THIS PONTIAC THAT I HAVE YES IT'S IT ONLY HAS THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND MILES ON IT BUT IT'S IS THAT RIGHT VERY QUIET AND VERY SMOOTH RIDING MACHINE UH-HUH DO YOU DO YOU FEEL THAT UH WELL MY WIFE'S TOYOTA IS SOON TO BE FOUR YEARS OLD IT ONLY HAS DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THIRTY THIRTY THOUSAND MILES ON IT SO GOSH BEEN MUCH IN SUCH GOOD SHAPE THAT'LL PROBABLY BE AN EIGHT OR TEN YEAR CAR OKAY YEAH THE TOPIC IS UH CAR REPAIRS RIGHT AND THE LAST ONE I'VE HAD DONE UH-HUH IT WAS A FLUKE THE LAST ONE I HAD DONE WHAT HAPPENED WELL I WAS DRIVING DOWN SIX THIRTY FIVE AT THE UH COMING FROM NORTH DALLAS UH-HUH AND I WAS UH GOING UH ALMOST HITTING THE UH ENTRY WHERE ALL THE THE MERGES GO FROM SIX THIRTY FIVE SEVENTY FIVE AND COIT YEAH +NOISE+ AND UH ALL OF A SUDDEN I GET THIS LIQUID ALL OVER MY HOOD AND MY WINDSHIELD AND I HAD SMELLED IT BEFORE I THOUGHT AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS COMING FROM ANOTHER VEHICLE AND THEN WHEN I SAW IT GO ALL OVER MY CAR I THOUGHT HUH-UH SOMETHING CAME THROUGH MY RADIATOR AND JUST SOMETHING'S WRONG INSIDE MY CAR SO I I WAS WAITING FOR MY CAR TO COLLAPSE YOU KNOW +NOISE+ SO I WAS GOING ABOUT SIXTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR AND IT KEPT GOING AND I THOUGHT WELL WHAT IS GOING ON AND SO I MADE IT HOME AND I LOOKED AT MY CAR AND IT WAS A MESS SO I IMMEDIATELY THE NEXT MORNING I TOOK IT TO MY DEALER AND I I LEFT IT JUST WELL I DROVE IT IN THE THE NIGHT BEFORE AND HE SAYS WELL IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR UH ANTIFREEZE UH SOMETHING HAPPENED TO YOUR ANTIFREEZE HUH AND THEY CHECKED EVERYTHING IN THAT CAR AND IT WASN'T FROM MY CAR IT WAS FROM SOME OTHER CAR SOME OTHER CAR HAD WELL ISN'T THAT SOMETHING WELL I'M SURE SOME OTHER CAR DID THAT TO ME WELL I'M GLAD BUT IT WAS A VERY PANICKY SITUATION RIGHT BUT NO I DO NOT DO ANY OF MY OWN REPAIRS THE ONLY THING I DO TO MY CAR IS PUT GAS IN IT WELL I DO AND WASH IT +NOISE+ I DO SOME OF MY OWN REPAIRS +NOISE+ OH YOU DO GOOD FOR YOU YES I DO I I HAVE LEARNED TO DO THIS THAT'S GREAT BUT UH MY HUSBAND DRIVES UH SPORTS CARS HE RACES THEM AS A HOBBY OH I SEE OH WELL HE PROBABLY SHOWED YOU ALL THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE THAT'S GREAT SURE YOU DID WELL BLESS YOUR HEART +NOISE+ YES AND HE SAID YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DO ALL THIS STUFF SO I DO CHANGE MY OWN OIL UH MOST IN FACT I HAVE CHANGED OUT A WHOLE ENGINE IN ONE OF SONS' TRUCKS YES I TOOK THE WHOLE THING OUT AND I FIXED IT WELL I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THESE THINGS IF YOU CAN WELL I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL I MEAN +NOISE+ BUT UH +NOISE+ I THINK THAT'S GREAT +NOISE+ UH-HUH BUT NOW IF I COULD TALK HIM INTO DOING THIS I'LL LET HIM DO IT +NOISE+ I'VE TOLD HIM I'VE LEARNED HOW BUT +NOISE+ WELL GEE YOU SHOULD UH YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD GET SOME MONEY FOR YOUR TALENTS AND START BRANCHING OUT +NOISE+ IT IS NO I DON'T THINK I WANT TO WORK ON TOO MANY PEOPLE'S CARS THAT'S HARD WORK I THINK THEY EARN THEIR MONEY I DO OH WELL YOU KNOW UH LOOSENING THOSE NUTS AND BOLTS WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR ME RIGHT AND I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME REALLY SOPHISTICATED EQUIPMENT TODAY WHERE THEY DO IT ELECTRONICALLY AND ALL THAT BUT THAT TAKES MONEY TO BUY THOSE KIND OF TOOLS TOO UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT YEAH NO I WOULDN'T WANT I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO TOUCH MY CAR WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE THE YEAH YES IT DOES NOW I I DON'T THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO WORK ON YOU KNOW TOO MANY CARS MUCH LONGER BECAUSE THEY ARE SOPHISTICATED AND I JUST CAN'T FOOL WITH THESE COMPUTERS AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IN IT THAT THE PROPER TOOLS RIGHT THAT'S THE COMPUTER AND ALL AND EVERYTHING BUT IT UH I HAD JUST GOTTEN A NEW CAR THIS YEAR AND I TAKE IT BACK TO THE I TAKE THIS ONE TO THE DEALER +NOISE+ BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT UH AS A A GIFT TO YOU DON'T YOU YES THAT THEY DO IT FOR YOU FOR GRATIS RIGHT UH-HUH AT LEAST THIS FIRST YEAR UH-HUH RIGHT AND UH WELL I HAVE A WOMAN'S AGREEMENT ON MINE AND THEY THEY DID IT FOR THREE YEARS YEAH OH WELL THAT'S NICE YEAH THAT REALLY WAS NICE SO I UH APPRECIATED THAT UH PRESENT THAT THEY GAVE ME OH UH-HUH UH-HUH WELL THAT IS REALLY GOOD BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFFHAND UH PROBLEMS WE HAVE REALLY HAD LATELY YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD TO FIX UH THE ONE THING WE HAVE PROBLEM WITH IS OUR ELECTRICALS ANYTHING THAT GOES ELECTRICAL WRONG WITH THE CARS WE DON'T EVEN TRY TO FOOL WITH THOSE OURSELVES RIGHT AND UH THEY TO ME THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT TO LOCATE THE PROBLEM IF YOU RIGHT THEY CAN DO THAT WITH THE NEW ONES UH-HUH WELL DON'T THEY HAVE IF YOU THAT YOU HOOK IT UP TO THE COMPUTER AND THE COMPUTER DOES THE ANALYSIS AND TELLS YOU WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE DIFFERENT AREAS YEAH YEAH BUT THESE NEWER CARS YOU CAN DO THAT AND UH BUT OTHER THAN THAT THE OIL CHANGES AND THE GAS IS WATER AND ANTIFREEZE I DO KEEP THAT IN THERE AND UH WELL I I HAVE PUT WINDSHIELD WASHER SOLVENT IN THE CONTAINER BUT NO I HAVE NOT +NOISE+ YEAH HAVE YOU EVER CHANGED THE WINDSHIELD WIPER +NOISE+ +NOISE+ THIS ONE HASN'T NEEDED ANY YEAH YEAH THUS THUS FAR UH IT'S BEEN A SUPER CAR IT'S UH LET'S SEE UH IT'S THREE YEARS OLD IT'S OH WELL GOOD WHAT KIND IS IT IT'S A PLYMOUTH ACCLAIM UH-HUH WELL GOOD I REALLY LIKE IT IT'S BEEN A VERY DEPENDABLE UH NO MAINTENANCE I HAVE NOT THE LAST AUTO REPAIR I HAD WAS I HAVE A NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR NISSAN TRUCK +NOISE+ I HAD A +NOISE+ TUNE UP DONE AND I HAD I HAD THE BRAKES DONE ON IT AND THEN THE REASON I DID THAT WAS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SCOPE AND IT HAS EIGHT SPARK PLUGS AND IT'S HARD TO TO GET GET AT THEM AND PLUS THE TIME ON THEM I JUST DON'T HAVE TIME ANY MORE UH +NOISE+ AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE TASKS THAT I DO MYSELF +NOISE+ I I USUALLY CHANGE THE OIL AND WASH THE AIR FILTER AND I I HAD AN OCCASION TO CHANGE TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE BATTERY ONCE BUT THE BRAKES I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT THE BRAKES +NOISE+ I WANTED I DO HAVE THE BACKGROUND I KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I KNOW THAT THE OIL NEEDS SHOULD BE CHANGED VERY REGULARLY AND ALL OF THE BEARINGS AND THE LUBE LUBRICATION SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE LUBRICATED AND +NOISE+ SO I I STAY ON TOP OF THAT +NOISE+ BUT I +NOISE+ I WANTED MY FRONT WHEELS I WANTED THE BEARINGS PACKED AND THEY WANTED SOMETHING LIKE FIFTEEN DOLLARS UH A FRONT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR MAYBE IT WAS THIRTY DOLLARS TO DO IT JUST TO PACK THE BEARINGS JUST TO PACK THE BEARINGS BUT WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THEY HAD A BRAKE JOB AND THEY I HAD THEM THE OTHER THING I LET THEM DO SOME TIMES IS THAT I LET THEM GO THROUGH AND LET THEM TELL ME WHAT LET THEM DO THE DIAGNOSTICS THAT'S FREE OKAY AND THEN I CAN DECIDE WHETHER I WANT THEM TO DO IT OR WHETHER I CAN DO IT SEE RIGHT AND THEY TOLD ME THAT MY MY BRAKE PADS WERE GOSH YOU KNOW SEVENTY PERCENT STILL GOOD YOU KNOW BUT STILL IT WAS CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN AND UH SO I JUST GOT THE THE BRAKES DONE AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD DEAL AND PLUS RIGHT AND THEY REPACKED THE WHEEL BEARINGS AND THEY REPACKED THE THE WHEEL BEARINGS YEAH BUT UH I'VE I'VE HAD CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE I'M YOU MIGHT SAY I'M UH UH GOOD BACK YARD MECHANIC AND I YOU KNOW I TOOK AUTO SHOP IN HIGH SCHOOL IT'S BEEN A WHILE BACK BUT I I STILL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEEL FOR IT BUT +NOISE+ ONE THING I DIDN'T KNOW IS THAT WHEN I WAS MESSING AROUND WITH CARS AND STUFF AND MOST OF THE CARS I I HAD BIGGER CARS AND THE BRAKES GO OUT FAIRLY RAPIDLY ON THOSE AND WHAT I WAS SURPRISED AT IS THAT ON MY LITTLE NISSAN I BOUGHT THE TRUCK WITH ABOUT SIXTY THOUSAND I HAVE ALMOST ONE HUNDRED AND TEN SO I DROVE ON THOSE BRAKE PADS FOR UH YOU KNOW FORTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES AND THERE WAS HARDLY ANY WEAR TO THEM SO THOSE SMALL LITTLE TRUCKS AND CARS LIKE THAT THEY JUST THE LONGEVITY OF THE BRAKE PADS IS REALLY GOOD YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT WHERE THEY DON'T WEIGH VERY MUCH AND THE THE SURFACE MATERIALS ON THE PADS IS SO GOOD EXACTLY SO I YOU KNOW I JUST DID IT ANYWAY I LIKE TO I LIKE TO STAY UP ON IT YOU KNOW LIKE I JUST KIND OF STAY UP ON IT AND THEN IF YOU GO AND LIKE JUST ABOUT ANY POINT ANY YOU KNOW POINT IN TIME +NOISE+ AND PULL MY DIP STICK AND PULL IT OUT AND LOOK AT THE OIL THE OIL IS YOU MIGHT SAY UH A WHITE GOLDEN BROWN YOU KNOW IT'S NOT DIRTY I I I KEEP IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT'S THAT IS THE KEY TO THE LONGEVITY RIGHT WELL SO SO HOW UH-HUH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE HAD SOME GOOD EXPERIENCES WITH THAT UH AND MY EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN KIND OF CONTRARY TO THAT OH OH UH-HUH UH I I GET A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED IN THE MAINTENANCE OF MY CAR AND UH AND IN FACT I HAVE AN EIGHTY SEVEN MUSTANG WITH A THREE O TWO IN IT UH-HUH THAT I'VE UH BEEFED UP A LITTLE BIT OKAY AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID WAS TO CHANGE THE PULLEY SYSTEM ON IT TO USE UNDER DRIVE PULLEYS SO THAT THE ENGINE DOESN'T HAVE TO TURN THE ACCESSORIES AND CAN USE MORE OF THE POWER TO THE REAR WHEELS UH-HUH UH THE ONLY CATCH WAS THE FIRST SET OF UNDER DRIVE PULLEYS THAT I PUT ON IT WERE UH NOT EVEN CAST ALUHINUH THEY WERE JUST PRESSED ALUHINUH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VIBRATION DAMPENER WELL THERE'S THREE THERE'S THREE PULLEYS THAT YOU CHANGE YOU CHANGE THE CRANK PULLEY THAT'S THE VIBRATION DAMPENER YEAH THE ALTERNATOR PULLEY AND UH THE WATER PUHP PULLEY OKAY SO WHEN I CHANGED THOSE OVER I PUT ON THESE THESE PRESSED ALUHINUH THINGS UH AND UH PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO THE WATER PUHP DECIDED TO GO OUT UH OH UH UH OH SO IN THE PROCESS OF SEIZING THE BELT SPUN ON THE PULLEY AND WORE THROUGH THE WATER PUHP PULLEY ALMOST ALL THE WAY BUT NOT FAR ENOUGH TO NOTICE HUH +NOISE+ SO I WAS ON MY WAY TO WORK ONE DAY AND UH THE WATER PUHP PULLEY SPLIT LATERALLY IN HALF +NOISE+ SO THERE WAS HALF A WATER PUHP PULLEY STILL ATTACHED TO THE WATER PUHP AND THE OTHER HALF WAS KIND OF DANGLING OFF THE END OF THE CRANK UH-HUH AND UH I +NOISE+ +NOISE+ +NOISE+ I UH TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM CARS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF REPAIR ACTUALLY UH THAT IS REALLY A SORE SPOT WITH ME I I THINK PERHAPS THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY IS IMPROVING BUT UH LIKE TEN YEARS AGO UH RELIABILITY OF AUTOMOBILES AT LEAST U S AUTOMOBILES WAS PRETTY DISMAL AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT THE UH REPAIR CAPABILITY OF UH SERVICE DEPARTMENTS AND DEALERSHIPS WAS EQUALLY DISMAL UH-HUH AND UH IT SEEMED THAT THE ONLY WAY I COULD RELIABLY TAKE CARE OF MY CAR WAS TO REPAIR IT MYSELF WHICH IS NOT MY CUP OF TEA YEAH BUT UH I SO DO YOU HAVE A CAR PARDON DO YOU HAVE A CAR WELL AT THAT TIME ACTUALLY I HAD A VOLKSWAGEN RABBIT UH-HUH AND UH IT WAS IT WAS A REAL LEMON UH SUBSEQUENTLY I GOT A UH BUICK CENTURY AND IT WASN'T AS BAD UH-HUH BUT UH LAST YEAR I BOUGHT A HONDA ACCORD AND I TAKE IT IN ONCE EVERY SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED MILES FOR ITS PERIODIC MAINTENANCE AND THAT IS IT AND IT'S WONDERFUL HUH HUH YEAH WE USED TO HAVE A HONDA ACCORD AND THEY'RE GOOD THEY'RE REALLY GOOD CARS EVERY TIME I GET TAKEN TO AN AUTO REPAIR PLACE YOU KNOW EVERY TIME I GO I GET TAKEN BAD YOU KNOW WOMAN GOES IN AND THEY GO ALL RIGHT WE GOT A SUCKER LET'S SEE HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN GET OUT OF HER YOU KNOW +NOISE+ THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS EVERY TIME UH SO HUH SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE I HAVE A PONTIAC SIX THOUSAND YEAH BUT OUR HONDA JUST GOT OLD AND JUST WORE OUT IT WAS LET'S SEE ELEVEN YEARS OLD AND IT JUST +NOISE+ JUST OUT OF IT SO +NOISE+ ALL THE MORE REASON TO UH HAVE A A HONDA SO YOU BOUGHT A PONTIAC NO HUH-UH MY UH EX HUSBAND'S THIS IS JUST HAPPENED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO HE'S MY EX HUSBAND BUT JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN HE WAS MY HUSBAND UH HIS FATHER GAVE US THIS CAR AND EVERYTHING IS WRONG WITH IT I MEAN THE POWER STEERING FLUID LEAKS THE OIL LEAKS THE BRAKE FLUID LEAKS YOU KNOW NOW HOW OLD IS THE CAR UH EIGHTY SEVEN HUH AND HE JUST DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF THINGS AND BUT I WAS AWARDED THE CAR SO THERE IS A MAN IN MY CHURCH THAT IS A MECHANIC AND I CAN TRUST HIM SO HE IS TRYING TO GET YOU KNOW THINGS FIXED ON IT HUH HUH BUT IT'S JUST YOU KNOW LEAK LEAK LEAK EVERYWHERE BUT UH YOU KNOW I HATE TO GO INTO A A REPAIR PLACE BECAUSE THEY'LL TELL ME SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH IT AND IT'S NOT YOU KNOW AND CHARGE ME TWICE AS MUCH THE LAST TIME I TOOK IT INTO A REPAIR SHOP THE MAN TOLD ME I NEEDED A MASTER CYLINDER SO I SAID OKAY AND HE CHARGED ME A HUNDRED AND THIRTY SOMETHING DOLLARS +NOISE+ AND THEN UH ABOUT A MONTH LATER A MAN WAS LOOKING AT MY CAR AND HE ASKED ME YOU KNOW NOT A MAN NOT A REPAIR MAN BUT JUST A FRIEND AND I WAS TELLING HIM THAT I JUST A NEW MASTER CYLINDER PUT ON AND HE LOOKED AT AND HE SAID THAT'S NOT A NEW MASTER CYLINDER AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ONE WAS AND UH HE SHOWED IT TO ME AND IT WAS OLD RUSTY JUST AWFUL IT WAS NO MORE NEW THAN NOTHING SO APPARENTLY IT WAS THE SAME ONE THAT WAS ON THERE UH MORE THAN LIKELY APPARENTLY JUST UH UH PROBABLY FILLED THE THE BRAKE FLUID UP AND THAT WAS IT YEAH +NOISE+ THROUGH THE YEARS NOT LATELY THOUGH +NOISE+ UH-HUH WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS I TRIED TO CALL EARLIER AND WE HAD MADE A LIST OF ALL THESE UH BASEBALL TEAMS AND THE CITIES THAT THEY WERE FROM GAR THEN I STARTED CLEANING AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I EVEN PUT THAT PAPER +NOISE+ THREW IT AWAY +NOISE+ OH GOSH LET'S SEE THE TEAMS THAT I THINK THE A'S WERE IN IT LAST YEAR THE OAKLAND A'S AND I THINK IT WAS I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN ALL CALIFORNIA BASEBALL YEAH I WAS JUST CLEANING AND THROWING +NOISE+ WELL HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED BASEBALL I PLAYED SOFTBALL YEAH WELL THAT'S WHAT I DID WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THAT WAS FUN YEAH THAT'S FUN +NOISE+ THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SPORT UH-HUH YEAH LET'S SEE BUT I THINK I THINK THE RANGERS NEED TO GO AND I THINK THE PIRATES WILL GO AND UH LET'S SEE RANGERS HAVE GOT A NEW GUY THIS YEAR I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HIS NAME EITHER DO YOU EVER GO SEE THE RANGERS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I I LIKE TO GO ON THE NIGHTS WHEN THERE'S NOT ANYBODY OUT THERE NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE IT'S A LOT MORE FUN WHEN YOUR NOT FIGHTING A CROWD YEAH I THINK IT'S FUN I LIKE JUST LOOKING AT THE BILLBOARDS YEAH SOMETIMES WHEN I IF YOU GO OUT THERE DURING THE DAY YOU JUST FRY UNDER THE SUN YEAH IT'S NICE AT NIGHT YEAH THAT'S WHEN I'VE BEEN IT IS WELL AND DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT NEW STADIUH HAVE YOU SEEN ALL THOSE PICTURES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT OUT THERE NO YEAH THAT THAT HUGE IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE A HUGE STADIUH AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE LITTLE SHOPPING CENTERS IN IT AND LITTLE LIKE A LAKE OR SOMETHING RUNNING THROUGH IT AND UH THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT A REAL COMMUNITY CENTER OUT THERE AND YOUR GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY YOUR WHAT WAS NO WAIT GAR ABOUT THE LIQUOR THAT'S THAT'S IN UH TEXAS STADIUH WHERE THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS OH YEAH SO YOU PLAY AND THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO LET LIQUOR IN THERE WELL THEY'RE TRYING I KNOW BUT THEY TRY EVERY YEAR AND EVERY YEAR THEY GET THROWN OUT IT'S SO STUPID BECAUSE THEY LET YOU TAKE IT IN THERE BUT THEY DON'T THEY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO SELL IT DON'T ALLOW THEM TO SELL IT THERE UH-HUH +NOISE+ BUT UH THAT NEW STADIUH'S GOING TO BE REAL NICE AND I HEARD THAT THERE'S UH THAT YOU CAN BID ON THAT STADIUH LAST NIGHT ON THE NEWS I HEARD THAT THEY SAID YOU COULD YOU COULD BID ON THE STADIUH TO HAVE IT NAMED AFTER YOU SO UH-HUH RIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER +NOISE+ OH +NOISE+ WELL THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT YEAH SO THAT COULD BE YOUR YOU KNOW FIFTEEN MINUTES OF FAME OH YOU HEAR THAT +NOISE+ THAT'S MY KIDS TURNING ON THEIR MUSIC GAR HOLLY TURN IT DOWN I THINK IT'S THE BART MAN THE SIMPSONS +NOISE+ I WISH I COULD +NOISE+ OH GOD +NOISE+ I STAY AWAY FROM THEM +NOISE+ I BET YOU DO WELL WHERE ARE YOU IN PLANO OH YOU ARE OKAY I'M IN GARLAND YEAH MY MY HUSBAND TEACHES IN PLANO OH WHAT'S HE TEACH C V A E UH-HUH SO WHAT DO YOU DO I TEACH BUT I TEACH FOR DALLAS OH YOU DO FOR RIGHT NOW I'M TRYING TO GET OUT IS THAT A TOUGH SYSTEM TO BE IN UH-HUH REAL HARD UH-HUH YEAH I WOULD THINK IT YEAH I MEAN IT'S GOOD BECAUSE THEY THEY TRY NEW THINGS YOU KNOW BUT IT'S LIKE THEY'LL TRY SOMETHING AND THEN THEY THROW IT OUT AND GET SOMETHING ELSE YOU KNOW AND YOU GET TIRED OF THAT +NOISE+ YEAH THAT'S TYPICAL BUREAUCRACY THOUGH THAT'S THAT'S I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ANY WHERE YOU GO IT'S JUST WORSE IN THE BIGGER CITIES THAN IT IS IN THE SMALLER ONES I DON'T KNOW SOMETIMES THE SMALLER ONES ARE JUST AS BAD WELL BUT THEY CAN'T BE THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH MONEY MOST OF THE TIME YEAH BUT THE POLITICS THE POLITICS GETS WORSE IN THE SMALL TOWNS SOMETIMES YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TO PAYOFF HUH +NOISE+ OH MAN IN DALLAS YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S IN IN ADMINISTRATION THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM +NOISE+ +NOISE+ I MEAN SOMEBODY WALKS IN THE A CLASSROOM AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING HOW LONG THEY'RE GOING TO BE YEAH OH HOW FUNNY YOU KNOW IT'S JUST GAR THERE THEY ARE AND THEY'RE WRITING THE WHOLE TIME +NOISE+ NO COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER +NOISE+ NO I HAD THEM WALK OUT OF MY CLASS AND NOT SAY THEIR NAME ANYTHING AND I FINALLY JUST GOT TO WHERE I GO OKAY I'M DEBBIE MOORE YOU KNOW MAY I ASK WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU ARE IN MY CLASSROOM FOR YOU KNOW YEAH I KNOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING WHAT THEY'LL REPORT OR +NOISE+ AND THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY'VE WRITTEN SOMETHING DOWN AND YOU HOPE THEY'RE TELLING YOU +NOISE+ THE TRUTH AND YOU NEVER SEE IT NO +NOISE+ HUH-UH OH IT IS THAT'S GOT TO BE FRUSTRATING HOW LONG YOU TAUGHT TAUGHT IN DALLAS SCHOOLS UGH THAT'S ABOUT UH TEN TOO MANY YEAH UH-HUH YEAH OH UH THIS IS MY ELEVENTH YEAR +NOISE+ NO ACTUALLY IT'S NOW MY JOB'S GOOD MUCH BETTER THAN A LOT BECAUSE I'M CHAPTER ONE AND ALL I DO IS TEACH READING ALL DAY LONG AND IT'S JUST TEN CHILDREN AT A TIME OH WELL THAT'S NOT BAD NO IT'S GOOD AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF FEDERAL MONEY TOO BUT HASN'T IT CHANGED A LOT OVER THE YEARS TEACHING +NOISE+ YEAH OH YES OR WORKING IN THE SYSTEM YES WHEN I FIRST STARTED TEACHING I REMEMBER I WENT TO MY GAR AND I SAID OKAY I WANT TO SEE A CURRICULUH GUIDE YOU KNOW SO I'LL KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSE TO TEACH AND THEY GO WE DON'T HAVE ONE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ONE IS OH GOD +NOISE+ HOW FUNNY AND SO I GO OKAY I MEAN YOU JUST YOU DID +NOISE+ WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO +NOISE+ AND NOW THEY TELL YOU WHAT TO TEACH AND HOW LONG AND YOU KNOW WHAT DAY YEAH YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH IS WHAT PERIOD YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH IS WORSE YEAH I GUESS SO YEAH BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO IS WORSE YEAH NO I KNOW WHICH IS WORSE +NOISE+ UH-HUH SO HOW LONG ARE WE SUPPOSE TO TALK FOR WELL YOU CAN TALK FOR TEN MINUTES BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO OH YOU CAN YEAH AND NO IF YOU TALK TO TEN THEN THEY COME ON AND SAY OH YOU'VE EXTENDED YOUR LIMIT AND PLEASE SAY GOOD BYE WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE SECONDS OH I HAVEN'T EVER TALKED THAT LONG UH-HUH WELL YOU KNOW I HADN'T EITHER TILL LAST NIGHT I WAS TALKING TO THIS RETIRED ADMINISTRATOR FROM CLEVELAND OHIO AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT GANGS YOU KNOW YEAH HE LIVES IN CLEVELAND WOW YEAH AND +NOISE+ EVERYBODY ELSE THAT I'VE TALKED TO HAS BEEN RIGHT AROUND HERE BUT SHE WAS REAL INTERESTING AND THEN TONIGHT THIS WOMAN CALLED HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY INCOMING CALLS HUH YOURS IS MY SECOND ONE +NOISE+ OKAY SO HERS WAS THE FIRST ONE I GOT GOTTEN AND UH AND SHE WAS TELLING ME ALL HER PROBLEMS YOU KNOW AND IT WENT OVER TEN MINUTES DID SHE DID SHE DID YOU ALL NOT TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC AT ALL OH WELL YEAH WE DID BUT THE TOPIC WAS BORING I THOUGHT WHAT WOULD YOU SERVE UH IF YOU WERE HAVING A DINNER PARTY OH GOSH GAR ALL THE OTHER THE ONE I TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER NIGHT WAS GOOD IT WAS UH ABOUT MOVIES YOU KNOW WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN AT THE MOVIES LATELY AND STUFF LIKE THAT OH YEAH I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THAT ME TOO BECAUSE WE GO ALL THE TIME THE GUY I WAS TALKING TO NEVER GOES HE WAS BOY IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR REALLY UP ON THIS I SAID I SEE AT LEAST TWO A WEEK +NOISE+ UGH NEAT SO THAT WAS REAL GOOD TO TALK ABOUT THAT HAVE YOU SEEN LIKE UH SILENCE OF THE LAMBS NO YOU'VE GOT TO GO SEE THAT THE LAST ONE I SAW WAS DANCES OF THE WITH THE WOLVES GAR WOLVES YEAH WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE TOO AND HE HE SAID HE DIDN'T THINK IT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ALL THOSE AWARDS HE THOUGHT IT WAS TOO LONG BUT I I DID TOO OH I ENJOYED IT I MEAN IT WAS JUST MORE FOR MY MONEY HUH YEAH I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS TOO LONG AT ALL UH HE SAID AFTER ABOUT THE FIRST HOUR HE STARTED LOOKING AT HIS WATCH THE OTHER ONE YOU NEED TO GO SEE IS SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY UH-HUH AND HOW OLD ARE YOUR KIDS ONE IS EIGHT AND ONE IS ELEVEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM TO SEE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S NOT TOO COOL FOR KIDS THEY USUALLY PICK THEIR OWN I BET THEY DO YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT YEAH THEY WANT TO SEE ALL THE HORROR MOVIES WELL AND NINJA TURTLES YEAH NINJA TURTLES GOT TO HAVE THOSE BUT MOST OF THE TIME REALLY WE WATCH THEM ON THE VIDEO OH YEAH YOU THAT'S DON'T YOU JUST MASSIVE RENTAL WELL HECK THAT'S A LOT CHEAPER THEN UH GOING TO TAKING THEM OUT TO THE SHOW I KNOW ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET THEM FOR A COUPLE OF NIGHTS YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THEM ALL IN ONE ONE TIME THAT'S WHAT WE DO ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S BAD WEATHER MAN JUST YEAH PLUG IT IN OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO GET THERE EARLY IF YOU WANT TO GET ANYTHING I KNOW DECENT IT'S GOOD WHEN YOU GO TO TOM THUHB THOUGH AND THEY'RE CHEAP AND NOBODY HAS GOT THEM YET THAT'S TRUE UNBELIEVABLE +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE WE SAW UH HERO'S HAVE ALWAYS BEEN COWBOYS TONIGHT UH-HUH IT WAS OKAY IT WAS KIND OF SLOW AND I FELT LIKE IT KIND OF GOT CHOPPED OFF AT THE END YOU KNOW IT JUST IT I DON'T KNOW IT ONE OF THOSE MOVIES IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AROUND LONG IT WILL BE A DOLLAR MOVIE IN NO TIME DO YOU READ NOT VERY MUCH NO NO I DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO READ +NOISE+ SEE I DO THAT TO MAKE MYSELF GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT YEAH OH MY MOM AND DAD READ ALL THE TIME YOU SAW FIELD OF DREAMS RIGHT A LONG TIME AGO YEAH SURE DID WELL I WAS READING THE BOOK AND IT'S CALLED SHOELESS JOE OH REALLY IT WAS SO WONDERFUL AND THEN I WAS UH I DECIDED WELL I LIKE THIS AUTHOR SO I GOT A UH BOOK OF HIS SHORT STORIES AND THAT'S BEEN REAL GOOD WHO IS THE IS THE AUTHOR DON'T DON'T ASK ME +NOISE+ OH +NOISE+ THE GHOST OF SHOELESS JOE WAS THE NAME OF THE BOOK SHOELESS JOE WAS IT LIKE THE MOVIE OKAY YES QUITE A QUITE A BIT BUT YOU KNOW IN THE MOVIE THE GUY WAS BLACK RIGHT HE WASN'T IN THE BOOK HUH THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE THERE REALLY WASN'T A LOT OF DIFFERENCE I DIDN'T SEE I NEVER EVEN HEARD THAT THERE WAS A BOOK TIED IN WITH THAT MOVIE THAT'S INTERESTING THAT WAS A GOOD MOVIE TOO WELL DO YOU THINK WE COVERED BASEBALL OKAY WELL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT NIGHT I THINK SO +NOISE+ UH-HUH REAL PROBLEM THE LAST FEW DAYS ONE OF THEIR UH YOUNG HOPELESS STARS HAS APPARENTLY RUINED HIS KNEE FOR THIS SEASON IT WAS A CATCHER AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE AN EXCESS OF CATCHERS AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF KIND OF LATE TO YOU KNOW TO START BE TRYING TO TRADE FOR SOMEBODY ESPECIALLY WITH THE SALARY CAP THAT THE RANGERS HAVE YEAH THEY'RE NOT THE HIGHEST PAYING BALL TEAM AROUND OH NO NO THEY'RE NOT ARE THEY BUT I YOU KNOW I WOULD I WOULD GLADLY TAKE THE SALARY OF MOST OF THE GUYS I'LL TELL YOU OH GOODNESS I WOULD TOO EVEN THE BENCH WARMER I WOULD YEAH THAT'S RIGHT I REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN AN ACTIVE RANGER FAN IN SEVERAL YEARS I USED TO GO TAKE MY SON YOU KNOW WHEN HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL HE ENJOYED GOING TO BASEBALL GAMES UH-HUH UH YEAH I'LL HAVE TO ADMIT I KIND I KIND OF WENT MORE TO SEE TO SEE THE OTHER TEAM A LOT OF TIMES THAN I DID THE DID THE RANGERS BUT I THINK THEY'RE DOING BETTER WELL I DO TO UH I HAVE BOYS YOU KNOW LIKE EIGHT AND ELEVEN AND WE GO QUITE OFTEN YEAH I CAN IMAGINE TO WATCH THE RANGERS I USED TO LOVE TO PLAY BASEBALL WHEN I WAS A KID UH-HUH OH YES WE'RE HEAVY INTO THAT TOO I THINK IT'S MORE FUN TO PLAY THAN IT IS TO WATCH YEAH OH I DO TOO AND I THINK UH WHAT CAUGHT SO MANY OF OUR ATTENTIONS LAST YEAR WAS THAT NOLAN RYAN YOU KNOW YES UH-HUH YEAH YES UH-HUH OH OF COURSE OF COURSE AS A MATTER OF FACT I READ IN THE SPORTS PAGE THIS MORNING HE JUST PITCHED HIS FIRST UH EXHIBITION GAME A DAY OR SO AGO AND HE PITCHED FIVE UH YEAH FIVE FULL INNINGS THAT WAS ALMOST UNHEARD OF FOR A PITCHER TO YOU KNOW TO START OUT THAT STRONG GAR NO BIG DEAL YOU KNOW IT'S JUST PART OF A DAYS WORK YEAH I KNOW IT YEAH YEAH HE'S SOMETHING ELSE HE REALLY IS HE REALLY IS AN YOU KNOW AS FAR AS PREDICTIONS AND STUFF I REALLY THINK THE RANGERS MAY COME OUT REAL STRONG THIS YEAR THEY COULD DO VERY WELL THEY SURE COULD UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT THEY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW BUT LAST YEAR I JUST FIGURED THEY WAS UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE BECAUSE OF ALL THE PUBLICITY AND EVERYTHING I REALLY DO YEAH YEAH AT LEAST YEAH THEY'VE GOT UH I GUESS ALL WELL ALL THEIR PLAYERS ARE SIGNED NOW SOME OF THEM ARE NOT TOO HAPPY ABOUT IT BUT THERE THERE'S NO HOLD OUTS SO THAT SHOULD HELP THAT SHOULD HELP IT SURE SHOULD YEAH IT SHOULD UH-HUH BUT IN A WAY I REALLY DO AND OF COURSE THERE'S A FEW MORE YOU KNOW I THINK ARE GOOD BALL TEAMS ALSO OH YEAH SURE LIKE OAKLAND A'S AND THE GIANTS I REALLY DO SURE SURE UH-HUH CINCINNATI YEAH THERE SURE ARE I LIKE TO GO WATCH THE GIANTS WHEN THEY COME TO HOUSTON SOME TIMES BUT UH UH-HUH UH-HUH THAT'S RIGHT I'VE NEVER SEEN THE ASTROS PLAY HUH-UH OH YOU HAVEN'T OH I HAVE A FEW TIMES UH-HUH UH THEY'RE A GOOD BALL TEAM THAT'S RIGHT THEY REALLY ARE THEY SURE ARE WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING TO HAVE A WORLD SERIES BETWEEN THE RANGERS AND THE ASTROS OH WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T IT THOUGH +NOISE+ BOY I TELL YOU THAT WOULD DRAW A CROWD WOULDN'T IT IT SURE WOULD WOULDN'T IT OH MY GOODNESS WE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET TO GO TO A WORLD SERIES HUH THAT'S RIGHT WOULDN'T THAT BE SOMETHING OH YEAH IT SURE WOULD THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DREAM ABOUT ABSOLUTELY BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF RANGER FANS AROUND OH THERE SURE IS AND UH THAT I MEAN THEY REALLY ARE UH NOW INCAVALIA I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH HIM BUT LAST YEAR I WAS KIND OF THINKING HE SURE DID GET IN A SLUHP YEAH BUT THEY'RE SAYING THIS YEAR THEIR PREDICTIONS IS THAT HE'S REALLY GOING TO COME OUT OF IT AND UH-HUH YEAH BE ON TOP UH-HUH BOY HE'S A BULL ISN'T HE ISN'T HE THOUGH HE REALLY IS GOSH UH-HUH THAT'S RIGHT HE SURE IS HE EITHER HITS HOME RUN OR STRIKE OUT THERE IS NOT EVER A IN BETWEEN FOR HIM THAT'S RIGHT IT'S KIND OF LIKE BABE RUTH UH-HUH YEAH YEAH THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MAY BE HIS LAST YEAR WITH THE RANGERS THOUGH APPARENTLY I THINK HIS CONTRACT IS UP AFTER THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THEY'RE NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIGN HIM AGAIN TO SIGN HIM AGAIN YEAH HUH YEAH THAT YOU KNOW MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN YEAH OH YOU NEVER KNOW THAT'S RIGHT IT'S A LONG WAY AWAY THAT'S SURE IF YOU OFFER THEM MONEY I'M SURE THEY'LL THAT'S RIGHT THEY'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S RIGHT UNFORTUNATELY THE RANGERS DON'T SPREAD IT AROUND QUITE AS BIG AS SOME OF THE OTHER TEAMS DO NO NO NO LIKE THAT JOE HOSAGO +NOISE+ YOU KNOW YEAH THAT'S RIGHT I MEAN OH IS THERE GOING TO BE A TICKET INCREASE THIS YEAR PRICE DO YOU KNOW I HAVEN'T EITHER I HADN'T HEARD I I REALLY HAVEN'T UH THE UH THOSE COWBOYS HAVE INCREASED THEIR PRICES AGAIN THIS YEAR OH YEAH BUT I DIDN'T KNOW I I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD ANYTHING ON THE RANGERS OR I DON'T REMEMBER IT IF I HAVE YEAH WELL I HADN'T EITHER WE HADN'T YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID WE I DON'T EVEN GUESS THEY'VE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT SENDING THE SCHEDULES OUT YET YEAH I GUESS IT'S TOO EARLY YEAH BECAUSE WE USUALLY GET ONE WE USUALLY ORDER OUR TICKETS WAY IN ADVANCE UH-HUH IT'S A GOOD IDEA YEAH WE WE TRY TO GO SO OFTEN UH-HUH YEAH IF YOU HAVE YOUNG YOUNG CHILDREN YOU KNOW THEY THEY GET A KICK OUT OF IT UH-HUH OH THEY DO WELL I'VE ENJOYED TALKING TO YOU WELL YOU TOO LORI +NOISE+ AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO TALK AGAIN OKAY BYE_BYE RIGHT YOU TAKE CARE OKAY BYE_BYE OKAY UH SO UH DO YOU HAVE ANY FAVORITE TEAMS WELL I KIND OF LIKE THEM ALL I PLAYED FOR ABOUT EIGHTEEN YEARS ALL THE WAY THROUGH COLLEGE AND THEN UH KIND OF HUNG THEM UP AFTER COLLEGE BUT +NOISE+ OH I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU PLAYED PRO BALL RIGHT NO NOT QUITE NOT QUITE HUH OH MADE IT YEAH MADE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE PLAYING BALL BUT ANYWAY UH BEING IN ROCHESTER YOU PROBABLY LIKE THE METS +NOISE+ YES I'M ACTUALLY A MET I'M I'M ONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHO'S ACTUALLY A DIE HARD METS FAN AND AN AVID YANKEE HATER OH BOY IT I THINK IT'S LIKE ONE OR THE OTHER ISN'T IT I MEAN YEAH +NOISE+ OH OKAY YEAH IT'S IT'S I I I FIND IT VERY STRANGE UH MORE PEOPLE YOU KNOW REAL MET FANS DON'T LIKE THE YANKEES AND REAL YANKEE FANS DON'T LIKE THE METS FOR SOME REASON I NEVER I NEVER QUITE FOUND A NEW YORK FAN I ALWAYS FOUND A FAN YOU KNOW OF EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER AND SO THAT OF COURSE MEANS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMERICAN LEAGUE MY FAVORITE TEAM IS THE RED SOX BY DEFAULT BECAUSE I WENT TO COLLEGE ALSO IN BOSTON OH I SEE YEAH I LIKE THE UH-HUH I GUESS IF I HAD TO PICK A FAVORITE TEAM ANY MORE AS WELL AS I KIND OF GREW UP ROOTING FOR PHILADELPHIA I'M FROM NEW JERSEY ORIGINALLY YEAH SO THAT SO THAT'S SORT OF CLOSE ENOUGH YEAH WELL WE WERE THIRTY MILES SOUTH OF THEM SO OH SO YOU WERE PRETTY CLOSE YEAH RIGHT DOWN THE RIVER BUT UH SO WHAT ARE THE METS GOING TO DO THIS YEAR WITHOUT STRAWBERRY +NOISE+ YEAH UH-HUH WELL I DON'T KNOW UH THERE'S THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT SAYS THAT YOU KNOW UH I'M SORT OF GLAD STRAWBERRY WENT AWAY YOU KNOW WHEN WHEN HE SORT OF WENT AWAY I STARTED THINKING YEAH WELL HE WAS PERFORMING FAIRLY WELL BUT HE REALLY WASN'T WORTH THE BAGGAGE YOU KNOW UH I THINK THEY'RE OKAY I THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW I THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO ARE WHO ARE STILL IN THEIR PRIME YOU KNOW UH I MEAN CERTAINLY IF YOU LOOK AT THEM COMPARED TO LET'S SAY YOU KNOW UH EIGHT YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING THEY'RE YEAH THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY'RE SORT OF IN IN GOOD STANDING WHEREAS YOU KNOW UH +NOISE+ I THINK I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE THE EIGHTY SIX TEAM ANY MORE WELL I WAS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT EIGHTY SIX TEAM +NOISE+ YEAH I THAT WAS THAT WAS THE YEAR THEY BEAT HOUSTON IN EXTRA INNINGS RIGHT YEAH +NOISE+ RIGHT THEY GAR BEAT HOUSTON IN EXTRA INNINGS AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY WON THE SERIES BYE_BYE SORT OF A SNEAKY ROUTE UH AGAINST BOSTON WHEN THERE WAS THE BALL THAT WAS SORT OF HIT TO BUCKNER GAR I FELT REAL BAD ABOUT THAT BUT HEY WHAT CAN YOU DO HEY THE GUY'S MAKING MILLIONS HE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT WELL ACTUALLY HE HE HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY UH THERE WAS THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM AT THE TIME AND I WELL HIS KNEES WERE BOTHERING HIM YEAH RIGHT AND I AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I SAY HEY IF THE GUY CAN'T PLAY YOU DON'T BLAME THAT UH HIT IT TO HIM YOU BLAME THE TEAM YOU KNOW FOR PUTTING HIM IN YEAH FOR HAVING HIM OUT THERE SURE THAT'S RIGHT SO SO I I I WAS UH I WAS ALSO I WAS IN SCHOOL AT BOSTON AT THE TIME OH BOY SO I IT WAS ACTUALLY WONDERFUL BECAUSE WHERE I WAS THEY WERE HALF MET FANS AND UH HALF SOX FANS YEAH I THINK WE WERE ALL PRETTY MUCH UH ASTROS FANS IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES BUT THERE'S LIKE TWO FELLOWS FROM UH BROOKLYN OH +NOISE+ AND THEY THEY WERE YOU KNOW THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH WITHOUT HAVING TO SAY THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH METS FANS +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH WELL I GUESS THEY WERE UH I GUESS THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SCARED +NOISE+ AFTER THE UH NO NOT REALLY THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH THUGS THEY WEREN'T SCARED VERY MUCH YOU KNOW +NOISE+ YEAH +NOISE+ WELL THAT'S GOOD WELL THEY'RE BROOKLYN BOYS I GUESS YOU DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE UH MUCH OF ANYTHING BUT THUGS I KNOW I WAS BORN THERE UH REALLY YEAH I I WAS I WAS ALSO BORN IN BROOKLYN SO I CAN CALL MYSELF A BROOKLYN THUG ALTHOUGH I'M REALLY NOT +NOISE+ OKAY OKAY WELL I'M NOT TO SAY THAT ALL FOLKS FROM BROOKLYN ARE THUGS BUT THESE TWO WERE DEFINITELY THUGS AND THEY WERE FROM BROOKLYN +NOISE+ SO I'M KIND OF HOPING I I I GUESS UH ANY MORE I PRETTY MUCH PULL FOR THE RANGERS THOUGH THEY'RE UH THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY THEY HAVE I THINK THEY HAVE THE BEST FACILITIES IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES I LOVE GOING TO WATCH A GAME IN ARLINGTON STADIUH IT'S GREAT YEAH +NOISE+ WELL THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY I THINK I MAKE SOMETHING BECAUSE I THINK AND AND AND IN AS MUCH AS SORT OF FAN SUPPORT HELPS YEAH YOU KNOW IT'S GOOD TO HAVE UH THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH IT ONLY HOLDS ABOUT I THINK THEY WHEN RYAN STRUCK OUT HIS FIVE THOUSANDTH PLAYER THEY SQUEEZED ABOUT FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THERE YES IT IS KIND OF SMALL YEAH SO THEY'RE THEY THEY HAVE PLANS I MEAN THE OWNER TRIED TO MOVE THEM TO FLORIDA RIGHT BUT UH THEY ENDED UP STICKING AROUND IN ARLINGTON AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW STADIUH IN ARLINGTON AS A MATTER OF FACT NOT EVEN IN DALLAS OH THAT'S GREAT SO SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YEAH THAT'LL BE NICE I MEAN THAT THAT I THINK TENDS TO KEEP I THINK STADIUHS GAR WORK TEND TO KEEP PEOPLE HAPPY OH CASE IN POINT TORONTO YEAH EXACTLY YEAH HAVE YOU SEEN A GAME UP THERE UH I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ANY TORONTO GAMES YET BUT UH OH BOY I SAW IT I WAS UP THERE ON BUSINESS UH LAST JUNE AND WATCHED A GAME IN THE SKY DOME IT WAS JUST PHENOMENAL THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY THE PATTERN FOR THE FUTURE OF STADIUHS I THINK UH-HUH OF STADIUHS YEAH WELL I I MEAN TO GET UP THERE I MEAN THE THE BEST I'VE BEEN UP HERE SO FAR YOU KNOW UP IN UP STATE NEW YORK IS UH IS UH ROCHESTER RED WINGS GAME NOW IS ROCHESTER WHERE WHERE IS CORNELL UNIVERSITY OH CORNELL IS IN ITHACA ITHACA OKAY UH YEAH SO CORNELL IS ABOUT UH SOMEWHERE UH ABOUT TWO AND A HALF HOURS SOUTH OF SOUTH AND EAST OF US SO IF YOU KNOW WHERE LAKE ONTARIO IS SORT OF YEAH WELL ROCHESTER IS LIKE RIGHT ON THE SHORES ISN'T IT YEAH OKAY +NOISE+ OH YEAH WE'RE ABOUT TEN MILES SOUTH OF LAKE ONTARIO ACTUALLY WHOEVER BUILT THE CITY WAS AN IDIOT IN MY OPINION BECAUSE THEY BUILT IT THEY BUILT IT FAR ENOUGH FROM THE CITY THAT IT ACTUALLY COULDN'T BE A PORT CITY UH BUT THEY WELL THEY SAY THAT FROM THAT SPACE NEEDLE UP IN TORONTO YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHTS OF ROCHESTER ON A CLEAR NIGHT OH REALLY I I HADN'T ACTUALLY KNOWN THAT YEAH WELL UH BUT WE HAVE OUR OWN UH OUR OWN TRIPLE A TEAM HERE YEAH THE REDWINGS WHICH ARE YEAH OKAY THEY'RE A FARM TEAM FOR THE ORIOLES YEAH SO EVERYBODY HOPES THAT UH THEY GO ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE THERE'S THE THEY'RE THE BIG TEAM IN ROCHESTER THOSE GAMES ARE FUN TO WATCH YOU YOU YOU WATCH THOSE GAMES OH YEAH I ACTUALLY WE WE WE MAKE A POINT OF GOING TO A BUNCH OF THEM EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE FUN YEAH UH-HUH UH-HUH LOTS OF REALLY BIG YOU KNOW LOTS OF LOCAL FANS YOU KNOW SMALL STADIUH YOU KNOW UH AND THEY'LL GET A CROWD OF LESS THAN TEN THOUSAND SOMETIMES YOU KNOW UH ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW I'LL MAKE A DAY GAME OR SOMETHING BUT THEY REALLY SEEM TO UH PEOPLE REALLY GET INTO IT I MEAN I CAN'T I I AGAIN I CAN'T MAKE ANY PREDICTIONS ABOUT THEM BUT I SUSPECT THEY'LL GO UH THEY'LL GO FLY YEAH THOSE ARE THOSE ARE UH I THINK THOSE ARE MORE FUN THAN MAJOR LEAGUE GAMES SOMETIMES YEAH +NOISE+ YEAH WE USED TO LIKE WATCHING MY MY FOLKS LIVED DOWN IN BEAUHONT AND UH ON THE CAMPUS OF LAMAR UNIVERSITY THEY USED TO HOUSE THE BEAUHONT GOLDEN GATORS WHO WERE A DOUBLE A TEAM FOR THE PADRES I THINK BUT UH THEY THEY WERE FUN GAMES TO WATCH WELL THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT MORE HITTING +NOISE+ +NOISE+ YEAH YES IT'S TRUE ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF NOT HAVING PITCHERS WHO ARE UH UH YOU KNOW I GUESS I GUESS WHEN YOU START PITCHING REAL WELL WELL MOVE THEM UP BAM GAR YEAH YEAH BUT UH +NOISE+ SO AS FAR AS THE MAJOR LEAGUE TEAMS +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW THE RANGERS HAVE BEEN YOU KNOW EVERY YEAR THEY ALWAYS KNOCK ON THE DOOR EARLY AND THEN JUST GO INTO THEIR SKID ABOUT YOU KNOW THE END OF JUNE BUT THEY THEY'VE GOT SO MUCH YOUNG RAW TALENT IT'S JUST AMAZING AND THEN THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PUT ANYTHING TOGETHER UH-HUH YEAH UH-HUH WELL THE WAY I THE WAY I SEE IT IS I MEAN UH YOU KNOW I CAN USE A MET ANALOGY HERE IF YOU'LL THINK BACK A FEW YEARS TO WHEN THE METS WERE JUST ALL THIS SORT OF YOUNG BUNCH OF GUYS WHO REALLY WERE RAW TALENT BUT WEREN'T VERY SORT OF WELL TRAINED YOU KNOW BACK TO YOU KNOW MAYBE EIGHTY EIGHTY FOUR OR EIGHTY THREE OR EIGHTY FIVE YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WERE FIRST WHEN THEY WEREN'T QUITE THE EIGHTY SIX TEAM THAT THAT THAT THEY WERE RIGHT I I THAT PROBABLY GIVES THE READERS A GOOD SHOT FOR YOU THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR I THINK IF I THINK THE YOUNG TALENT REALLY JUST HAS TO BUILD ITSELF UP +NOISE+ YEAH I MEAN THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN YOUNG FOR A WHILE AND THEY'RE ALMOST STARTING TO AGE A LITTLE BIT HERE I JUST UH YEAH YEAH THEY THEY REALLY HURTING PITCHING WISE I MEAN THEY'VE GOT RYAN BUT YOU KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT HE'LL BE ABLE TO DO HE'S BEEN LAST YEAR HE STARTED HAVING SOME NAGGING INJURIES AND RIGHT BUT BUT IT'LL IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH I HOPE TO GET UP THERE WE WE USUALLY TRY TO GET TO OPENING DAY GAME THERE'S SEVERAL GUYS FROM OUR CHURCH TRY TO GO UP THERE OH THAT MUST BE NICE YEAH WELL I I GUESS WE'RE PROBABLY OH MAYBE A HUNDRED FIFTY MILES SOUTH OF DALLAS WELL THAT ISN'T TOO BAD JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS NO NOT TOO BAD BUT IT TAKES ABOUT TWO HOURS TWO AND A HALF HOURS TO GET THERE +NOISE+ YEAH WELL IT TAKES ME A GOOD SEVEN HOURS TO GET TO SHAY STADIUH SO I DON'T KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE ROADS YOU JUST DON'T HAVE WE WE'VE JUST GOT A FREEWAY WE JUST GET RIGHT ON THE FREEWAY AND JUST GO NORTH YEAH WELL ACTUALLY WE CAN WE CAN I CAN TAKE A HIGHWAY THE WHOLE WAY DOWN BUT IT'S STILL IT'S SOME WELL IT'S SO CROWDED UP THERE IT'S IT'S ALMOST FOUR HUNDRED I MEAN I MEAN IT'S ALMOST FOUR HUNDRED YOU KNOW BARRING TRAFFIC IT'S FOUR HUNDRED HOURS I MEAN FOUR HUNDRED FOUR HUNDRED HOURS RIGHT +NOISE+ FOUR HUNDRED MILES GOLLY BARRING TRAFFIC SO IT'S UH IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S A HECK OF A DRIVE WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY NORTH OF NEW YORK ENOUGH THAT UH YEAH WE DON'T GET TO GO PLAY UH TOO OFTEN WELL YEAH YOU'RE YOU'RE LIKE A BOAT RIDE FROM HOW FAR IS IT ACROSS THE LAKE TO CANADA TORONTO TORONTO YEAH OH TORONTO'S ONLY ABOUT TWO HOURS YEAH TORONTO I MEAN I WANT TO GO SEE DO DO YOU DRIVE THERE OR DO YOU TAKE THE FERRY OR WHAT YEAH UH I CAN I'VE ACTUALLY I'VE DRIVEN BUT I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE FERRY AS WELL HAVEN'T TAKEN IT YET THOUGH HAVE YOU TAKEN IT YEAH IT'S A IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CITY YEAH UH I I REALLY LOVE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST UH ENJOYABLE THINGS ABOUT BEING UP HERE I'M ONLY UP HERE FOR SCHOOL UH-HUH SO AND THEN I MEAN YOU GO BACK TO NEW YORK AFTER SCHOOL UH NO PROBABLY SOUTH MAYBE TEXAS +NOISE+ OH REALLY SOME PLACE SOUTH AND WARM I DON'T I'M NOT A BIG UH I'M NOT A BIG UH COLD FAN WELL WHAT KIND OF WEATHER ARE YOU HAVING RIGHT NOW UH RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING UH IT'S GETTING NICE I MEAN IT WAS IN THE HIGH FIFTIES TODAY BUT THREE AND A HALF WEEKS AGO WE HAD AN ICE STORM +NOISE+ OH BOY YEAH WE'VE BEEN UP IN THE OH SEVENTIES EIGHTIES EVEN UP IN THE NINETIES A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO OH THAT'S GREAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT SAME TIME BRANCHES WERE FALLING OFF EVERYWHERE AND WE WERE ACTUALLY IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR TWO WEEKS GOLLY BECAUSE OF THE ICE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE THE NATIONAL NEWS TOO MUCH WHICH I FIND REALLY WEIRD UH BUT UH WE WERE I MEAN UH YOU KNOW ALL SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED FOR ALMOST FOR OVER FOR A WEEK GOLLY THERE WERE CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN WHERE IT WAS ILLEGAL TO DRIVE HUH ILLEGAL YEAH BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY POWER LINES DOWN OH YEAH AND SO MANY UH THINGS LIKE THAT SO THEY WERE ALL RIGHT WELL I HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TEAMS THAT I LIKE TO TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH OF COURSE TEXAS RANGERS BEING ONE OF THEM I MEAN UH YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T LIVE IN DALLAS WITHOUT YOU KNOW WELL WHAT ARE THE OTHERS WELL UH I ORIGINALLY CAME FROM SAINT LOUIS SO UH THE SAINT LOUIS CARDINALS ARE ONE UH I MOVED TO KANSAS CITY SEE I HAVE I HAVE A TENDENCY TO A ADOPT TEAMS WHEN I GO TO A UH GO TO A TOWN WELL IT'S HELPFUL YEAH SO UH I LIVED IN KANSAS CITY FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND I ADOPTED THE ROYALS I LIVED IN HOUSTON FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS SO I ADOPTED THE UH UH THE HOUSTON ASTROS SO I MEAN YOU KNOW I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW WELL DO YOU KEEP UP WITH THE STATISTICAL STUFF NO I DON'T I DON'T GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I WILL KEEP IN IN TOUCH WITH MAYBE LIKE WHO'S IN THE TOP FIVE OF HITTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT I DON'T GET INTO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ERRORS SOMEBODY HAS OR THINGS LIKE THAT WELL THERE'S THERE'S A GUY ON THAT WAS ON GAR SHOW THAT I LISTEN TO GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING UH-HUH UH-HUH WHO DOES UH UH IT'S ESSENTIALLY TRIVIAL STATISTICS BUT THEY'VE GOT A IT'S A STATISTIC THAT HAS TO DO WITH WINNING AND LOSING ONE RUN GAMES I'VE HEARD OF THAT ONE AND APPARENTLY THE RANGERS LAST YEAR WON A LOT OF ONE RUN GAMES WELL I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A REAL GOOD STATISTIC UH WELL IT IT IT IS BUT IT'S THE IT'S IT'S A REVERSE INDICATOR WELL THAT'S TRUE THEY DON'T HAVE THE OFFENSE TO UH TO GET OUT OR TO HAVE THE THE MORE RUNS SO WELL WHAT THE WHAT THE ARGUHENT IS AND IT IT IT IT'S ONE OF THESE STATISTICAL GEE HOW CAN YOU DRAW A CONCLUSION FROM IT BUT THEY FIND THAT THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN THAT AND HOW THEY DO IN SPRING TRAINING THE FOLLOWING YEAR UH-HUH AND UH IT'S STRANGELY ENOUGH IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE LAW OF AVERAGES CATCHES YOU ON THE FOLLOWING YEAR HUH WHICH MEANS THAT IF YOU HAVE A GOOD YEAR WINNING ONE ONE RUN GAMES THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR YOU'LL HAVE A BAD YEAR AND THEY THEY'VE GOT UH THEY'VE LOOKED AT I THINK TWENTY THREE TEAMS UH AND AND THE UH STATISTICS ARE SOMETHING LIKE TWENTY ONE OUT OF TWENTY THREE IT WAS WHICH MEANS THE RANGERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A TERRIBLE YEAR I UH WHICH I WAS KIND OF LEANING TOWARD ANYWAY TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH WELL I MEAN AND IT'S UH UH I DON'T KNOW WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK OF INCAVIGLIA'S LOSS I KIND OF THINK IT WAS NECESSARY I MEAN I I DON'T I'M NOT A A BIG UH PURE POWER HITTER ANYWAY I MEAN I DON'T LIKE THESE GUYS THAT GET UP THERE AND SWING FOR THE DOWNS EVERY TIME I MEAN UH I THINK THAT UH THAT A PLAYER OUGHT TO HIT A HOME RUN IF HE'S GOT THE PITCH TO DO IT BUT WHEN YOU GET TWO STRIKES ON YOU YOU HAVE A YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD YOU KNOW SHORTEN YOUR SWING A LITTLE BIT YOU KNOW IF IT'S A PERFECT SHOT GO FOR IT BUT I MEAN YOU KNOW THE STRIKE OUTS WERE A BIG PROBLEM FOR HIM AND UH PLUS SUPPOSEDLY WHAT I HEARD HE WAS NOT MUCH OF A TEAM PLAYER ANYWAY SO UH-HUH WELL IT IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT THOUGH WHEN YOU LOOK AT UH OF OF HOW BASEBALL HOW APPARENTLY I WAS READING IN THE PAPER TONIGHT THAT THE DETROIT TIGERS ARE GOING TO SIGN HIM AND UH AND THE POINT OF OF I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THE STRATEGY OF HOW BASEBALL WORKS BUT IT SEEMS THAT YOU KNOW THEY CAN SIGN HIM TOMORROW AND HE COULD GO IN THE TEAM THE NEXT DAY AND AND AND THEY PUT HIM IN THE LINEUP AND HE HITS A HOME RUN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HE BECOMES A HERO YEAH WELL THAT'S TRUE AND AND ALL HE HAS TO DO IS HIT THE BALL I MEAN YOU'RE NOT AND ALL HE HAS TO DO IS ONE YOU KNOW HIT IT ONCE IT DOESN'T HE CAN HE CAN HE CAN SWING A COUPLE TIMES GAR IF HE FOULS IT UP HE CAN SWING AS MUCH AS HE CAN RIGHT IT'S AN INTERESTING UH AN INTERESTING CONCEPT OF OF HOW THEY DO IT BUT I AGREE WITH YOU I THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT UH BASEBALL NEEDS MORE OF I UH I I GUESS WHAT BOTHERS ME IS IS THAT WHEN YOU GO UH YOU WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT AND FINALLY A GUY GETS UP THERE AND BLASTS A HOME RUN AND THAT'S ALL THE GAME IS I'D RATHER SEE THE BALL HIT AROUND AND HAVE THE PEOPLE YES YEAH WELL THERE'S THERE'S ANOTHER POINT TO THAT TOO THEY SAID THE THAT UH THAT HE WAS HORRIBLE AT UH AT BATTING WITH WITH MEN ON BASE NOW HAVING SOMEBODY GET UP AND HIT A SOLO HOME RUN DOES YOU YOU KNOW GIVES YOU RUN OBVIOUSLY BUT I MEAN IF YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH MEN ON BASE THERE'S SOMETHING DEFINITELY WRONG UH YOU KNOW YOU YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE TWO AND THREE RUN HOME RUNS YOU KNOW TO TO BE ABLE TO UH SCORE ENOUGH RUNS TO BE ABLE TO WIN IN THESE UH IN THIS DAY AND AGE SO YEAH WELL HOW DO YOU THINK THE ROYALS ARE GOING TO DO I THINK THE ROYALS WILL DO OKAY THEY HAVE THEY HAVE SEVERAL PITCHERS THAT HAD BADLY YEARS LAST YEAR AND THEY ARE THEY'RE THESE UH CYCLE PITCHERS THEY THEY PITCH ONE YEAR BAD ONE YEAR GOOD ONE BEER BAD ONE YEAR GOOD SABERHAGEN HAS WON UH SUPPOSEDLY THE CY I THINK HE WON CY YEAR UH TWO OUT OF THREE YEARS AND UH YOU KNOW SO HE'S VERY MUCH DUE FOR A GOOD YEAR WELL ARE THEY GOING TO BEAT ARE THEY GOING TO BEAT OAKLAND YEAH WELL NOW SEE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION I THAT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW OAKLAND'S GOING TO REACT TO BEING UH SWEPT IN THE WORLD SERIES LAST YEAR THEY COULD VERY EASILY UH TAKE THAT AS A CHALLENGE WHICH IS THE WAY MOST TEAMS YOU KNOW NATURALLY DO UH AND AND JUST GO OUT AND NOT GIVE ANYBODY A CHANCE TO BEAT THEM SO WELL I GO TO SAINT LOUIS FROM TIME TO TIME AND I WATCH I I WATCH THEIR SPORTS UP THERE AND THEY'RE UH-HUH OH YEAH BASEBALL IS THERE IS THERE LIFE UP THERE LIKE FOOTBALL IS DOWN HERE I THINK I LIVED IN THE SUBURBS OF SAINT LOUIS YEAH OH YEAH THEY THEY SPENT MORE MONEY LAST YEAR THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE IN THE LEAGUE AND THEY WERE YOU KNOW TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE UH SO IT'S LIKE I SAID SPENDING MONEY DOESN'T GUARANTEE YOU UH WINNING A PENNANT YEAH IT REALLY DOESN'T SO WELL AND THAT I THINK THAT'S MAYBE PART OF IT THAT THAT THE UH AND IT YOU KNOW IF I OWNED THE TEAM I THINK YOU'D LIKE THEM TO DO WELL BUT THE QUESTION OF LOSING BIG BIG MONEY THAT WHAT DID DID DID STEINBRENNER ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY ON THE UH YOU GOT ME I YOU KNOW I THINK THAT THERE'S COMING TO A POINT REAL SOON WHEN TICKET PRICES ARE GOING TO BE TO THE POINT WHERE THE AVERAGE FAN CAN'T GO AND ONCE YOU DO THAT YOU LOSE EVERYTHING I MEAN WELL IT'S IT IT YEAH IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE ANY OTHER SPORT YOU KNOW WHEN IT STARTS COSTING YOU FIFTY OR A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO GO TO A GAME UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT AND UH YOU KNOW I MEAN I I GUESS AS WE GET OLDER YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING IF IF YOU IF YOU COMPARE TO GO TO A A SPORT A A SAY YOU GO TO A ROCK CONCERT OR OR EVEN A PERFORMANCE A AN OPERA OR THE SYMPHONY OR SOMETHING UH IF YOU KNOW BUT HOW HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO THAT AN I I I WOULD I WOULD THINK BASEBALL PROBABLY FEEDS ON A NUHBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN GO OUT THERE YOU KNOW SEVERAL TIMES A YEAH THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT THERE ARE SO MANY GAMES IN IN A YEAR THAT THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE REPEAT CUSTOMERS THEY CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO AND YOU KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK SAINT LOUIS HAS DONE UH I MEAN THEIR YOU KNOW THEIR TICKET PRICES ARE YOU KNOW I GUESS AS HIGH AS ANYBODY ELSE'S BUT WHAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THEY ATTRACT UH SO MANY PEOPLE FROM I MEAN THEY'RE A IT'S A SMALL MARKET AND YET THEY ATTRACT AS MANY IF NOT MORE THAN MOST UH UH MOST OTHER CITIES SO YEAH BUT DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S A THERE THERE ARE OLDER FANS THERE I I DON'T MEAN OLDER UH YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT THAT IT'S IT'S A BETTER ESTABLISHED AND THAT THE THE CITY IS IS IS MORE OF A OKAY UH WHAT BASEBALL TEAM ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WELL I'M ONLY A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH THE RED SOX BECAUSE I LIVED UP IN BOSTON FOR A WHILE REALLY OH NOW COME ON NO TEXAS RANGERS AND UH AND THAT'S +NOISE+ AFTER THAT IF YOU ASKED ME THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TELL YOU IF THAT WAS FOOTBALL OR +NOISE+ BASEBALL +NOISE+ REALLY I GUESS THEY PAIRED TWO WOMEN TOGETHER ON THIS CALL FOR A REASON WHICH IS SOMETHING WE CAN THINK ABOUT LATER BUT UH I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TEXAS RANGERS I KNOW GEORGE BUSH THREW OUT THE FIRST PITCH HITTER GAR BOUNCED OFF THE GROUND AND THAT UH YEAH I HEARD A JOKE ON THE RADIO YESTERDAY THAT IN REGARD THAT HE DIDN'T DESIGN THE PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEM AND UH THE RADIO'S KIND OF CRUEL I MEAN THINK THE HE THIS CHAIN THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ON PRESIDENT BUSH TO BOUNCE THE FIRST PITCH OFF THE GROUND I MEAN HOW HUHILIATING FOR A MAN TO DO THAT ANY MAN I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT YEAH BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T KNOW IT'S PRETTY FAR TO THROW THAT FAR +NOISE+ I COULDN'T DO IT I KNOW BUT HE'S A MAN COME ON MEN KNOW HOW TO DO THAT RIGHT RIGHT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT I KNOW SO I FELT KIND OF SORRY FOR HIM GAR THAT MUST HAVE BEEN HARD ON HIM BECAUSE HE'S JUST A PERSON BUT UH I NEVER GAR A MAJOR OWNER OF OUR OF THE TEAM HERE OH REALLY I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UH-HUH YEAH HE'S LIKE I THOUGHT HE WAS THE OWNER BUT IT TURNS OUT MY MOM SAID THAT HE'S PART OWNER BUT HE MUST OWN THE BIGGEST CHUNK BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU HEAR ABOUT IS IF YOU KNOW ABOUT NEAL BUSH I THINK IS HIS NAME SEE I EVEN KNOW HIS NAME BECAUSE HE'S ON THE NEWS A LOT AND I NEVER HAD TO WATCH THE NEWS NOT YOU KNOW NOT LIKE SOME PEOPLE HOUR AND A HALF A DAY OR ANYTHING UH-HUH YEAH AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING UH MY HUSBAND'S FRENCH AND SO IF I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE FRENCH NEWS WHEN I WATCH IT IT'S INCENTIVE SPEAKING OF BUSH WE'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE OFF TOPIC BUT SPEAKING OF BUSH THEY THAT HAD A STORY WHERE HE WENT TO VISIT SOME LITTLE UH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS AND STUFF OH I SAW THAT DID YOU SEE THAT WHERE HE THE GUY ASKED HIM FOR PROOF OF WHO HE WAS HE SAID HIS GAR YEAH I WANT TO SEE YOUR DRIVER'S I I I KNOW AND SEE A CREDIT CARD +NOISE+ I DON'T YOU'RE NOT PRESIDENT BUSH I KNOW AND HE SAID YEAH IT DOES SO FAST I HEARD IT ON THE RADIO I HEARD THE AUDIO PORTION ON THE RADIO IN THE CAR BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT BUT IT WAS SO FUNNY TO SEE IT WAS A REALLY CUTE LITTLE KID TOO THAT'S ABOUT MY EXTENT OF UH ABOUT BASEBALL I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT UH-HUH UH-HUH WELL I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE METS OPENED I THINK TWO DAYS AGO BECAUSE MY BROTHER WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE OPENING GAME AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHO PITCHED BUT THEY WON THE METS WON DID THEY UH-HUH BUT YEAH NOT MY A LOT AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE LOST MAYBE IT WAS THE OTHER NEW YORK TEAM WHICH IS THE YANKEES BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL NEW YORK YANKEES THAT'S SO STUPID THAT YOU ALL HAVE TWO TEAMS OR GAR NEW JERSEY YEAH THAT'S REALLY STUPID WELL BUT IT THEN THEY CAN HAVE THEM PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER YEAH I KNOW YEAH I THINK IT'S STILL THE NEW YORK YANKEES YOU KNOW GAR I THOUGHT THEY WERE MOVING TO NEW JERSEY +NOISE+ THIS IS HOW MUCH I KNOW ABOUT BASEBALL THE TEXAS RANGERS THEY THEY LOST I THINK UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT BUT I KNOW THAT LAST YEAR WE DID GO TO A BASEBALL GAME LAST YEAR WE GOT FREE TICKETS BECAUSE SOMEONE AT OUR CHURCH ONE OF THE DEACONS AT CHURCH UH PARKS CARS AT THE MANSION AT TURTLE CREEK WHICH IS LIKE ONE OF THE UH THE PLACES AND STUFF AND HE'S THEIR HEAD CHAUFFEUR IS THIS FUNNY AS THEY'RE PARKING THE CARS THE VALET SERVICE YEAH HE MAKES GOOD MONEY TOO DOING THAT YOU'D BE I WAS SHOCKED BUT ANYWAY SOMEONE GAVE AN IRANIAN A TIP OF FOUR RANGERS TICKETS LAST YEAR UH-HUH WITH BASEBALL TICKETS YEAH GAR WOW AND THEN THE IRANIAN COULDN'T HE DIDN'T WANT THEM SO HE GAVE THEM TO ALAN AND ALAN AND HIS DAD HAD PLANS THAT NIGHT SO THEY GAVE THEM TO US SO HE DECIDED THAT SOME WEALTHY MAN TIPPED THIS IRANIAN GAR WITH BASEBALL TICKETS AND WE ENDED UP WITH THEM RIGHT AND SO WE WERE WALKING UP AND I LOOKED AT MY HUSBAND AND I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT KYLE THIS IS THE MANSION AT TURTLE CREEK A TIP I BET THESE ARE REALLY GOOD SEATS AND SO WE ENDED UP ON FIRST BASE RIGHT DOWN THERE ON THE FLOOR OH YEAH WE GAR THEY CALLED US AT FIVE AND THE GAME STARTED AT SEVEN SO WE JUST THREW EVERYTHING TOGETHER RAN OVER AND GOT THE TICKETS AND WALKED AND SO WE TOOK TWO KIDS WITH US AND NOBODY BRINGS TWO CHILDREN IN THESE SEATS YOU KNOW BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE FANCY SEATS AND STUFF YEAH AND YOU JUST SIT DOWN AND ALL THE GIRLS WERE ALL DRESSED UP GAR YOU KNOW I JUST WAS THERE YOU KNOW LIKE I'M LOADED I'M HERE YOU KNOW AND UH IT WAS JUST KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE YOU KNOW BUT WE GOT TO SIT BY FIRST BASE IF THEY DID HIT A BALL I WOULD HAVE BEEN AFRAID IT WOULD HAVE KNOCKED MY FACE IN YOU KNOW UH-HUH UH-HUH REALLY I KNOW I'M ALWAYS SCARED OF THAT WHENEVER I GO TO A GAME I RARELY GO BUT WE WENT LAST YEAR BECAUSE MY BROTHER MY BROTHER IS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN UH HE DOES FOOTBALL LEAGUES AND BASEBALL LEAGUES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND IF THERE'S A GAME ON HE'S WATCHING IT I MEAN THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT AND HE'S LIKE GLUED AT THE T_V I'M GLAD MY HUSBAND'S NOT LIKE THAT UH-HUH UH-HUH OH I'M GLAD MY HUSBAND'S NOT LIKE THAT EITHER I'D KILL HIM +NOISE+ MY BROTHER'S LIKE THAT AND UH SEE HE GOES TO A LOT OF GAMES NOT A REAL LOT BUT HE TRIES TO GO THEN MY FATHER GOT US SOME TICKETS SO MY BROTHER'S WIFE AND MY HUSBAND AND I WENT LAST YEAR WE WANTED TO SHOW MY HUSBAND WHAT A BASEBALL GAME WAS BECAUSE YOU KNOW BEING A NON AMERICAN YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT A BASEBALL GAME IS LIKE AND HE DESCRIBES IT AS YOU SIT THERE IN A CROWD IT WAS NICE WEATHER AND STUFF IT WASN'T A REAL PROBLEM BUT YOU SIT THERE IN A CROWD AND YOU'RE WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING AND YOU EAT THESE LOUSY THE HOT DOGS +NOISE+ UH BECAUSE WE MADE HIM TRY A HOT DOG YOU KNOW GAR THAT'S FUNNY AND UH SO YOU SIT THERE AND YOU WAIT FOR THE LONGEST TIME REALLY BORED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMETHING HAPPENS BUT YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY DURING THE TIME YOU MISS THE WHOLE THING YEAH AND SO YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU GAR SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR SOMETHING EXCITING TO HAPPEN AND WHEN IT HAPPENED HE MISSED IT THAT'S FUNNY AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND IT WHERE IS HE FROM IN FRANCE UH HE GREW UP OUT WELL HE GREW UP IN GAR UH-HUH WHICH IS THE SORT OF O STRIP EAST TO WEST EASTERN PART BUT THAT YEAH I HAVE A I HAD A FRIEND IN COLLEGE FROM STRASBOURG UH-HUH YEAH HE'S NOT THAT FAR HE WAS SORT OF IN BETWEEN STRASBOURG AND PARIS PARIS AND MY COUSIN LIVES IN PARIS AND SHE'S LIVED THERE FOR LIKE OH OFF AND ON FOR TWENTY YEARS OH IS SHE STILL THERE UH-HUH BECAUSE SAINT CLAUDE IS THAT SOUND FAMILIAR YEAH YEAH SAINT CLAUDE YEAH WE USED TO THAT'S ONE OF THE UH ENTRANCES TO THE PERIPHERY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE CITY OH REALLY AND IT IT IT IT SITS RIGHT AT THE LIMIT UH-HUH I GAR EXACTLY WHERE SHE IS BUT UH WE MET IN PARIS THAT'S NEAT YEAH SHE MARRIED AND THEY HAVE TWELVE CHILDREN TWELVE CHILDREN SHE HAS TWELVE CHILDREN OH MY GOD THE POOR WOMAN WERE ANY OF THEM TWINS SHE LOOKS GORGEOUS NO SHE'S GORGEOUS AND SHE JUST LIKED HAVING KIDS AND SHE'S THIN AND I MEAN GAR FOUR OR MORE CHILDREN ARE THIN I MEAN I'M NOT KIDDING YOU YOU PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO OF THEM +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH NO YOUR I HAVE A FRIEND NOW THAT HAS SEVEN AND UH AND THEY'RE ALL EIGHT AND UNDER AND NINE AND UNDER THEY'RE ALL REAL YOUNG THEY'RE JUST RAISED RIGHT THAT'S WHAT GOD'S TOLD THEM TO DO BUT THEY'RE NOT CONDEMNING YOU IF YOU WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHILD YOU KNOW THEY DON'T SAY THEY DON'T PUT GAR ON BAD OR ANYTHING WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EASY I'M SURE FOR THEM TO DO THAT YOU GET A CONVICTION LIKE THAT AND YOU THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE IT AND SO I'M REAL PROUD OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE AREN'T REALLY THEY DON'T DO THAT AT ALL YOU GO IN THEIR BATHROOM AND THERE'S TEN TOOTH BRUSHES IN THERE AND I ALWAYS GIVE HER A HARD TIME GAR WHO'S TOOTHBRUSH DID YOU REALLY USE THIS MORNING +NOISE+ UH-HUH BUT HOW DO THEY AFFORD TO EVEN HAVE THE KIDS UH WE'RE EXPECTING OUR FIRST BABY ALMOST ANY DAY AND UH-HUH WOW UH-HUH THEY LIVE LEAN FOR ONE THING AND THEY TITHE AND THEY GAR IT PUTS GAR A WHOLE IN YOUR MONEY BAG WE DON'T HONOR GOD WITH THIS GAR PORTION AND SO THEY I THINK THAT HELPS A LOT I THINK THAT'S THE KEY IN HE LIKE HIS SALES LAST YEAR HE JUST WORKS A NORMAL JOB HE PROBABLY HAS AN INCOME OF THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND BUT LAST YEAR HE MADE GAR THAT GOT HIM A BONUS OF TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND WHICH ALLOWED HIM TO PAY CASH FOR A FULL SIZE VAN HE LOVES GOD I MEAN IT WAS THE BIGGEST THING THAT ANY ONE IN THIS COMPANY HAD EVER DONE AND HE GOT TO DO IT AND SO GOD JUST REALLY BLESSES HIM IN WAYS LIKE THAT DO TRUST GOD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW KIDS ARE A BLESSING AND AND SOME PEOPLE GAR YOU KNOW WE THINK OF BLESSINGS AS NICE FURNITURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT KIDS ARE JUST AS MUCH OF A BLESSING INSIDE THESE MATERIAL THINGS BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND AND A LOT TIMES PEOPLE THINK OH WELL I'M NOT BLESSED I HAVE AN OLD CAR BUT YOU'VE GOT FIVE KIDS YOU KNOW YOU'RE JUST AS BLESSED PROBABLY MORE BECAUSE IF YOU FOLLOW THIS THERE'S A GOOD BOOK CALLED WHAT THE BIBLE HAS TO SAY ABOUT CHILD TRAINING UH-HUH UH-HUH BY RICHARD FUGATE AND HE'S YOU KNOW A LOT OF WISDOM IN IT AND THE KIDS AT BIBLE TALK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT TRAINING AND TRAINING IS DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN IN PSYCHOLOGY DOESN'T ADDRESS IT A LOT OF THE PSYCHOLOGY STUFF THE GOOD STUFF THAT'S IN PSYCHOLOGY IT JUST COMES OUT OF THE BIBLE AND THEY DON'T QUOTE YOU THE PROVERB OUT OF IT BUT THE THINGS THAT WORK IN PSYCHOLOGY OTHER THE YEARS THAT THEY'VE PROVEN TO WORK THEY JUST COME OUT OF THE BIBLE AND SO THIS BOOK IT JUST REALLY GAR ALL THESE THINGS AND HOW TO TRAIN THE CHILD SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE A CURSE TO YOU WHEN THEY'RE THIRTEEN WHAT I MEAN HOW TO TRAIN THEM SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE A BLESSING AND SO YOU KNOW THEY DO THAT AND THEY THEY JUST LIVE LEAN PRETTY MUCH THEY DON'T SHE DOESN'T SHOP AT FOLEY'S YOU KNOW AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT A LOT WOMEN DIE OR SHOP AT FOLEY'S SO THINGS I I DON'T KNOW WHAT FOLEY'S IS +NOISE+ UH-HUH IT'S LIKE A MACY'S KIND OF STORE IT'S PRETTY NICE AND EVERYTHING'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND YOU KNOW YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT AND YOU DON'T GO TO BASEBALL GAMES AS MUCH OR YOU GET PICTURES LIKE WE DID YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN YEAH YOU DO THESE FUN THINGS YOU KNOW IN OTHER KINDS OF WAYS AND I KNOW MANHATTAN'S REAL EXPENSIVE BUT UH IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY LIVING IN AN APARTMENT RIGHT YEAH WELL THAT MAKES A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE BUT BUT STILL IT'S JUST AS HARD AS HAVING THAT BUT GAR YOUR COUSIN COULD HAVE A BASEBALL TEAM WITH TWELVE KIDS +NOISE+ UH-HUH YEAH +NOISE+ WELL GAR CHURCH GAR SOFTBALL LEAGUES SO THEY'RE NOT ALL BOYS AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A GIRLS LEAGUE BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO START ONE AND I JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO DOING IT I KEEP SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE ONE THEY GO OKAY THEN START ONE BUT EVERYBODY GAR WANTS TO DO IT BUT YOU KNOW GOD'S SITTING ON MY HEART AND I JUST HADN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO DOING IT BUT ANYWAY SO THEY COULD REALLY ONLY HAVE FOUR MEMBERS ON THE TEAM I THINK THEY ONLY HAVE FOUR BOYS I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY HAVE BUT TWO OLD ENOUGH TO PLAY YET UH-HUH UH-HUH BUT UH THEN YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE ME ABOUT HER KIDS ARE THE THEY ARE SO GOOD I'M NOT KIDDING YOU BUT SHE DOES WORK WITH THEM AND IT'S A COMMITMENT AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLED TO DO I HAVE A MOST OF MY FRIENDS I KNOW I DO TOO I MOST OF MY FRIENDS HAVE THREE OR FOUR KIDS AND THEY FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW THAT'S REALLY WHY GOD GAR AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH USE BIRTH CONTROL AND SOME OF THEM DON'T I HAD MY TUBES TIED SO YOU YOU I ADMIRE SOMEONE THAT CAN DO THAT YOU KNOW I REALLY CAN THERE WE GO RIGHT OH WELL ACTUALLY I'M A I'M A DODGERS FAN FROM WAY BACK UH HOW WAY BACK I MEAN +NOISE+ LIKE UH LATE FIFTIES EARLY SIXTIES OKAY SO WALLY MOON MOON SHOTS AND ALL THAT WHAT'S THAT YEAH COLISEUH WALLY MOON AND ALL THAT YEAH OKAY YEAH IT'S A UH I I'M LIVING IN JUST WEST OF BALTIMORE AND FREDERICK UH WHICH IS ALSO JUST WEST OF BALTIMORE HAS A MINOR LEAGUE TEAM AND UH AND WALLY MOON IS THE MANAGER OF THEM IS THAT RIGHT YEAH SO HE'S STILL KICKING AROUND THAT'S INTERESTING YEAH I I ALSO LIVED EIGHT YEARS IN OHIO BEFORE GOING TO UH GOING AWAY TO COLLEGE AND I USED TO GO WATCH THE TOLEDO MUDHENS OH I SAW THEM UH UH I WAS OUT THERE LAST SUHMER AND I SAW A GAME AT NED SKELTON IS THAT THE STADIUH UH I COULDN'T TELL YOU FOR SURE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME OH OKAY SO UH THERE USED TO BE A UH RACE TRACK UH-HUH YEAH IT WAS THAT WAS IMPRESSION I GOT WHEN I WAS THERE SO YEAH I THINK THAT'S RIGHT OKAY YEAH SO HAD A LOT OF FUN ACTUALLY I MEAN I LIKE MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL A LOT IT'S CHEAPER FOR ONE THING +NOISE+ WELL THAT'S TRUE I THINK I'VE KIND OF BECOME A RANGERS FAN OVER THE LAST ELEVEN YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE UH THEY'VE LED THE AMERICAN LEAGUE IN BATTING FIELDING AND PITCHING BUT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE IN ANY ANY GIVEN YEAR SO YES +NOISE+ I THINK THEY'RE IN FOR A ODD YEAR THIS YEAR ACTUALLY UH THEY UH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ENCOVILLA GOT RELEASED I DON'T EITHER I MEAN THE GUY'S TWENTY TWENTY FIVE HOME RUHS MAYBE THIRTY EIGHTY SOME R B I S I MEAN HE YOU KNOW HE CAN'T FIELD AND YOU KNOW HE STRIKES OUT A LOT BUT I MEAN HE'S DONE THAT FOR FIVE YEARS WHY GET RID OF HIM NOW REALLY I MEAN HE REALLY HAS BECOME A A VERY DECENT FIELDER OH YES OKAY HE'S NOT A THE LIABILITY THAT HE WAS THAT HE USED TO BE OH OKAY UH OH HE FITS RIGHT IN WITH TEXAS BUNCH OF GUYS I MEAN WITH DETROIT BUNCH OF GUYS THAT HIT HOME RUNS AND STRIKE OUT A LOT YEAH OF COURSE GET A GUY LIKE CECIL FIELDER YOU KNOW IF HE STRIKES OUT A LOT SO WHAT YEAH WELL I MEAN WITH DETROIT I MEAN THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH ONE GUY LIKE THAT I MEAN IF I IF I WERE IN DETROIT I WOULD START BUILDING THE TEAM AROUND FIELDER OH YEAH RIGHT BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN GET THREE OTHER GUYS WHO HIT ALL THEY CAN DO IS HIT HOME RUNS AND STRIKE OUT YOU KNOW WHICH THEY DID YEP SO WELL I THINK THE KEY FOR FOR L_A THIS YEAR IS WHETHER ORAL HERSCHISER CAN COME BACK I THINK THE PITCHING'S DEEP ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER IT MAY BE I I LIKE THEM A LOT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY UH AND AND I MEAN BY SAYING I LIKE THEM I LIKE THEIR CHANCES I I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE THE DODGERS I'M A GIANTS FAN RIGHT RIGHT FROM WAY BACK WELL PICKING UP DARRELL STRAWBERRY DIDN'T HURT NO BUT BUTLER DIDN'T HURT EITHER UH AND BOBBY OJEDA DIDN'T HURT AND UH WHO'S THE LAST ONE BOBBY OJEDA THEY GOT HIM FROM THE METS FOR HUBIE BROOKS OH OKAY UH HE'S A A PRETTY DECENT PITCHER HE'S YES HE IS OKAY YOU KNOW HE GAR YES AND UH THAT GUY GAR THE SHORT STOP IS GOING TO BE GOOD YEAH UH WELL IT SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING YEAR YEAH I'M LOOKING I'VE ALREADY BEEN TO ONE GAME AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO TWO BUT ARE YOU AN ORIOLES FAN UH THE THE TEAM I LIVE AND DIE WITH ACTUALLY IS THE RED SOX MOSTLY DIE BUT UH I GO TO THE ORIOLES SINCE THEY'RE HERE AND I YOU KNOW I DO ENJOY THEM YEAH YEAH YOU KNOW I KIND OF WISH THAT THEY HAD INTER LEAGUE PLAY LIKE THEY DO IN ALL THE OTHER SPORTS SO I COULD SEE SOME OF THE NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAMS HERE ONCE IN A WHILE UH I'VE HAD AN OPENING DAY ON MONDAY GAR HOW FAR IS HOUSTON UH THREE HUNDRED MILES OH OKAY KEEP FORGETTING HOW BIG STATES ARE OUT THERE SOMETIMES YEAH IT IS IT'S INCREDIBLE YEAH I UH YOU KNOW WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY LUCKY BECAUSE IF I WANT TO SEE A NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAM I CAN USUALLY GO UP TO PHILADELPHIA THERE YOU GO AND UH SAW SAW THE CARDINALS AND CUBS LAST YEAR AND A BUNCH OF TEAMS THE YEAR BEFORE BOY YOU ARE A BASEBALL FAN AREN'T YOU OKAY UH YEAH +NOISE+ INTERESTING UH I TRY TO SEE WHATEVER I CAN I MEAN I'VE BEEN TO LIKE THIRTY OR FORTY GAMES EACH OF THE LAST FEW YEARS WOW YEAH HOPE I'M GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE UH UH HAVING A KID THIS FALL SO IT'S LIKE ALL RIGHT SO MUCH FOR GOING TO LOTS OF BASEBALL GAMES SO SO DO IT WHILE YOU CAN YEAH SERIOUSLY SURE WELL IT'S BEEN GOOD TALKING WITH YOU YEAH GOOD TALKING WITH YOU AND AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY I THINK IN OCTOBER WHEN THE DODGERS WIN I WOULDN'T MIND IT YEAH I'LL BE I'LL BE UPSET PROBABLY EVEN THOUGH MY PREDICTION WILL BE RIGHT +NOISE+ YEAH WELL GOD BLESS AND GOOD TALKING WITH YOU AND GOOD TALKING WITH YOU TAKE CARE BYE BYE_BYE OKAY I FOLLOW I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME CINCINNATI REDS FAN BECAUSE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD I WANTED TO BE A CATCHER SO I WAS A BIG JOHNNY BENCH FAN SO I'VE BEEN ALL RIGHT WHAT UH WHAT BASEBALL TEAMS DO YOU FOLLOW THROUGH THE WITH THE REDS SINCE YOU KNOW NINETEEN SEVENTY UH-HUH AND I REMEMBER THE SEVENTY WORLD SERIES LIKE I SAID I WAS ONLY FIVE YEARS OLD THEN BUT I HAD TO GIVE A REPORT TO MY DAD EVERY BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN THEY PLAYED WORLD SERIES GAMES IN THE AFTERNOONS SOMETIMES UH-HUH UH YEAH AND I'VE KIND OF GOTTEN AWAY FROM THEM UNTIL THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW MANY PLAYERS AND THEIR TEAM BUT I ALSO BEING FROM THE INDIANA AREA I LIKE THE CUBS AND THE WHITE SOX SO I KIND OF FOLLOW THOSE TWO TEAMS A LITTLE BIT AND YOU KNOW SINCE MOVING DOWN HERE THE RANGERS YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN PICKING UP ON THEM A LITTLE BIT AND UH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD DO ALL RIGHT THIS YEAR AND UH OF COURSE THEY'RE IN THERE WITH THE WHITE SOX I BELIEVE AND THEY'RE IN THEIR DIVISION SO UH-HUH THE WHITE SOX HEADED FOR PROBABLY ANOTHER GOOD YEAR I HOPE WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF OH I GUESS MAINLY THE THE RANGERS SUCH AS THEY ARE +NOISE+ YEAH YEAH THEY DO SEEM TO HAVE A PRETTY TOUGH DIVISION THOUGH WITH OAKLAND AND KANSAS CITY AND WHITE SOX ALL UH JAMMED IN THERE YEAH DO YOU GO TO A LOT OF GAMES OH I GET TO I DON'T KNOW QUITE A FEW IN THE SUHMER +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH THAT'S I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO IT I'VE ONLY BEEN TO ONE GAME AND I JUST MOVED DOWN HERE AT THE END OF LAST SUHMER SO THAT LAST SEASON WAS WINDING DOWN SO I'M HOPEFULLY I'LL UH GET TO A COUPLE THIS YEAR I WANT TO SEE NOLAN PITCH ONE TIME THAT THAT'S BE THAT'D BE REALLY NEAT YEAH IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE STARTING OFF KIND OF SHAKY BUT THEY THEY'VE GONE I GUESS OVER FIVE HUNDRED NOW YEAH I WAS HOPING THAT NO HITTER THAT HE THREW WOULD WOULD GET THEM FIRED UP A LITTLE BIT BUT IT'S HARD IT MIGHT HARD TO TELL DID THEY UH PLAY TODAY UH I WAS TRYING TO THINK THEY WERE UP IN A STAND AT DETROIT UH-HUH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE PLAYING TODAY OR NOT UH-HUH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT YEAH I WATCHED A LITTLE BIT OF THE I WAS FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE THE PACERS AND THE CELTICS AND UH THE WHITE SOX GAME THAT WAS ON TODAY AND I I JUST LIKE I LIKE THE WHITE SOX I'VE NEVER REALLY GOT INTO THEM AND THEN THIS FRIEND OF MINE WAS JUST A HARD CORE WHITE SOX SO HE TOOK ME TO A GAME AND YOU KNOW I THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY'RE REALLY NEAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SUCH A YOUNG TEAM UH-HUH ACTUALLY THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN BASEBALL AND THEY GOT SOME YOU KNOW THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS THEIR NUHBER ONE PICKS YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL SUITED UP AND PLAYING FOR THEM YEAH AND THE DRAFT AND UH YOU GOT TO LIKE THAT YOU KNOW BUILDING THE TEAM THROUGH DRAFT PICKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT SAYS A LOT FOR THEIR FUTURE YEAH IT DOES HOPEFULLY SOME OF THEIR PLAYERS WILL COME THROUGH AND THEY GOT TIM RAINES A VETERAN AND THEY GOT CARLTON FISK HE'S YOU KNOW STILL PRETTY SOLID A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BUT UH UH YOU LIKE THE ASTROS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT UH-HUH YEAH WELL WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE RANGERS REALLY DID WELL YEAH SO THEY WERE CONTENDERS TILL ABOUT THREE OR FOURS YEARS AGO YEAH I DON'T I NEVER REALLY FOLLOWED THEM ALL I KNEW UH OH I DON'T REALLY FOLLOW THEM A WHOLE LOT UH I I HEAR ABOUT THEM OCCASIONALLY I'VE GOT A FRIEND WHOSE A A TRAINER FOR ONE OF THEIR FARM CLUBS I THINK SO WE HEAR OFF AND ON ABOUT THEM THEY'VE NEVER REALLY DONE A WHOLE LOT I MEAN THEY'RE UP AND DOWN KIND OF LIKE THE RANGERS ARE +NOISE+ MOST OF THE TIME +NOISE+ UH IT'S BEEN PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS SINCE THEY WERE I THINK THEY FINISHED SECOND IN THEIR DIVISION I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY ENDED UP LAST YEAR THIRD OR FOURTH I GUESS +NOISE+ YEAH THEY HAVE BEEN OFF AND ON UH MAYBE +NOISE+ MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TIMES SINCE THEY'VE BEEN HERE +NOISE+ KIND OF WATCHED THEM A LITTLE BIT IN THE SEVENTIES THERE AGAIN YOU KNOW CAUSE I WAS A LITTLE CATCHER IN BASEBALL I LIKED TO WATCH A JIM SUNDBERG AND UH LIKE JEFF BURROUGHS UH-HUH UH FORGET WHO ELSE USED TO PLAY FOR THEM BUT UH YEAH THOSE GUYS WERE WERE REALLY TOUGH WELL THEY'VE BEEN LIKE A LOT OF TEAMS AND THE MINUTE THEY DO REAL BADLY IN THE PAST THEY JUST GOT GOT RID OF THEIR MANAGER THIS IS VALENTINE'S THE FIRST MANAGER THEY'VE HAD IN ON YOU KNOW ANY KIND OF LENGTH OF TIME YEAH AND SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL EVENTUALLY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER YOU THINK HE'S PRETTY GOOD YEAH I WAS WATCHING THE GAME YESTERDAY AND THEY HAD HAD BASES LOADED AND THEY TRIED A UH A SQUEEZE PLAY AND UH I JUST COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT I FORGET WHOSE WHO WAS BATTING AND BUT UH I DON'T KNOW I JUST I I CAN'T +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW UH SOMETIMES I THINK HE IS AND SOMETIMES I WONDER +NOISE+ +NOISE+ I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT MOVE THERE WAS ONLY ONE OUT UH-HUH YEAH TRUE AND IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW GIVE THE GUY A CUT YOU KNOW YOU GOT BASES LOADED YOU KNOW ONE MISTAKE CAUSE A LOT OF THESE PLAYERS AREN'T USED TO BUNTING THAT MUCH AND IT'S A EASY DOUBLE PLAY BUT I GUESS I WAS FEELING PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT THE TEAM VALENTINE THIS YEAR UNTIL UH HE GOT MAD AT PETE INCAVIGLIA AND JUST CUT HIM FOR BECAUSE HE WAS UPSET AT HIM YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT MOVE WELL I I CAN UNDERSTAND HIS POINT I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF CHILDISH TO JUST CUT HIM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TRADE HIM BECAUSE THEN DETROIT PICKS HIM UP AND HE STARTED OUT REAL GOOD FOR THEM AND HE HE'S GOTTEN KIND OF SHAKY NOW YEAH AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST GOTTEN SOMETHING FOR HIM YEAH IT'S TRUE WHAT ABOUT UH SIERRA YOU A BIG RUBEN SIERRA FAN YEAH HE'S BEEN AROUND WHAT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS I THINK SO YEAH YOU THINK YOU CAN SEE HIM STAYING THERE FOR AWHILE OR YEAH I THINK I THINK AS LONG AS HE PRODUCES HE AND FRANCO THEY THEY RUN KIND OF HOT AND COLD TOO YEAH I THINK FRANCO HIT A HOME RUN WAS IT LAST NIGHT TO WIN THE GAME OH YEAH I'D I TURNED THE GAME ON I DON'T KNOW WHO WON I THINK THEY WON SIX TO FIVE AND I THINK THAT WAS ON HIS HE HIT A HOME RUN AT THE END AND BROKE THE TIE UP +NOISE+ UH WELL GOOD YEAH I'M KIND OF INTO BASEBALL CARDS SO UH LAST YEAR I WAS BUYING A LOT OF JUAN GONZALEZ CARDS SO I'M HOPING HE'S GOING TO BLOSSOM AND MAKE ME A RICH MAN SOMEDAY YEAH +NOISE+ THAT'D BE NICE YEAH YEAH I THINK THE RANGERS HAVE THE PITCHING STAFF THEY NEED IF THEY WOULD JUST PRODUCE SOME OFFENSE THEY MIGHT DO ALL RIGHT YEAH WELL I'M DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING TO A FEW GAMES THIS SUHMER THAT'S GOOD ENTERTAINMENT AT A BUDGET PRICE YEAH YOU SAID YOU WERE A CINCINNATI FAN HAS UH ALL THIS BROUHAHA OVER PETE ROSE OVER THE YEARS YEAH CAUSED CAUSED YOU ANY DISTASTE FOR THEM OR UH-HUH NO YOU MEAN LIKE NO I MEAN THE THING ABOUT ROSE I MEAN YOU KNOW THAT HE'S GOT A PROBLEM IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE I JUST YOU KNOW HE HE MESSED UP BUT I STILL THINK HE'S BELONGS IN THE HALL OF FAME AND YEAH AND YOU KNOW HE PLAYED FOR SO MANY SO WELL FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT SURE YEAH IT'S UH IT'S JUST TOO BAD IT'S YOU KNOW LIKE THE PLAYERS THAT DO DRUGS OR DO YOU KNOW ARE ALCOHOLICS THEY JUST HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT'S TOO BAD IT CARRIED OVER AND HAS HURT HIS IMAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE UH-HUH GAR DIDN'T DIDN'T SEEM TO REALLY HURT THE TEAM IN FACT SEEMED TO KIND OF FIRE THEM UP AND MAKE THEM WORK HARDER YEAH YEAH AFTER HE WAS GONE YEAH I THINK LOU PINELLA IS DOING A GOOD JOB TOO OBVIOUSLY UH-HUH YEAH HE KNOWS YOU KNOW HE'S YOU KNOW HE'S BEEN THERE HE'S PLAYED A LOT OF BALL HIMSELF SO HE'S BEEN IN SOME WORLD SERIES AND YOU KNOW HE'S A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AS A PLAYER AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S DOING ALL RIGHT AS A MANAGER SO UH-HUH REALLY WELL THANKS FOR THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN CALLED SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING YEAH I USUALLY GET HOME AND PICK UP THE PHONE AND DO SOME CALLING SO UH BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR CALLING SURE I ENJOYED TALKING TO YOU FRED YOU TOO GOOD BYE ALL RIGHT TAKE CARE BYE OKAY I HOPE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF BASEBALL AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING +NOISE+ THAN I DO OH I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT I'M NOT A DIE HARD FAN BUT I I ENJOY THE I LIKE THE BOSTON RED SOX MYSELF WELL I OF ALL THE SPORTS THAT THERE ARE THAT THERE IS I LIKE BASEBALL THE BEST HOWEVER I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A BASEBALL GAME IN YEARS BUT I HAVE KEPT UH MY EYE ON THE RANGERS UH-HUH YOU KNOW AND I GUESS THEY WERE DOING PRETTY GOOD UP TO A POINT AND THEN THEY KIND OF FELL ON THEIR FACE +NOISE+ WELL WITH UH THEIR BIGGEST POINT OF INTEREST HAS BEEN NOLAN RYAN NOT THE REST OF THE TEAM LATELY SO RIGHT +NOISE+ CORRECT RIGHT THEY'VE GOT A ONE MAN SHOW GOING THERE +NOISE+ WHICH IS INTERESTING YOU KNOW UH OH IT'S AMAZING RIGHT I GUESS HE CAN I GUESS HE CAN REALLY CALL DOWN A SALARY +NOISE+ THEY'RE SO ASTRONOMICAL I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE +NOISE+ THAT KIND OF MONEY YOU KNOW IT'S JUST UH PHENOMENAL +NOISE+ WELL FORTUNATELY THE RED SOX LAST TIME I SAW THE PAPER EARLIER THIS WEEK WERE IN FIRST PLACE AND DOING QUITE WELL WELL GOOD UH I'VE BEEN REALLY BUSY AT WORK THIS PAST WEEK AND NORMALLY ON MY WAY INTO WORK I'LL PICK UP A NEWSPAPER AND UH SO EVERY DAY I'LL HAVE A NEWSPAPER AT WORK AND WHEN I TAKE A BREAK I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEWSPAPER BUT THIS WEEK I'VE BEEN SO BUSY I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO STOP +NOISE+ I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND BUT HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK I'LL GET BACK TO MY NORMAL ROUTINE OKAY UH YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH T_I UH SPEECH UH RECOGNITION WELL NOT REALLY I UH HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT IT OH OKAY I WORK AT GAR LABORATORY FROM UH I'M AN OFFICER IN THE AIR FORCE I SEE INTERESTING AND UH THEY HAVE A SPEECH LAB ACROSS THE HALL FROM US OH GREAT I SEE UH-HUH AND UH THE SPEECH LABORATORY DOES SOME WORK WITH UH T_I AT UH NOT IN MY OFFICE BUT UH IN MY DIVISION THEY DO QUITE A BIT OF SPEECH WORK WELL THAT'S GOOD WELL THAT'S INTERESTING AND THE TOPICS ARE INTERESTING UH THEY RUN A WHOLE GAMUT OF OF UH SUBJECTS AND UH I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS EVERY TOPIC BUT THE DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE IS QUITE DIFFERENT SURE SURE SO UH WHEN THEY CHOSE BASEBALL I MEAN I'M I'M I CAN UNDERSTAND BASEBALL YOU KNOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL UH YOU KNOW UH IT'S SUCH A RUGGED GAME THAT IT UH UH IT SEEMS TO BE TOO PHYSICAL FOR MY UH INTEREST +NOISE+ UH-HUH UH-HUH +NOISE+ OH I PREFER TO I I LIKE I NEVER USED TO REALLY LIKE WATCHING FOOTBALL THAT MUCH BUT MORE AND MORE THESE DAYS I'M I'LL LIKE A FOOTBALL GAME BUT I'VE ALWAYS LIKED BASEBALL I I PREFER TO WATCH UH I GUESS I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT ALSO PREFERS BASEBALL TO FOOTBALL AND I I'D MUCH RATHER GO TO A BASEBALL GAME THAN TO A FOOTBALL GAME WELL I I CAN RELATE TO BASEBALL BECAUSE I USED TO PLAY BASEBALL BUT I CAN'T RELATE TO FOOTBALL BECAUSE I'VE NEVER UH-HUH PLAYED FOOTBALL AND AND DON'T AND HAVE ANY INTEREST AND I SAID IF I EVER HAD A SON HE WOULD NOT PLAY FOOTBALL AND UH I HAD FOUR DAUGHTERS +NOISE+ SO THAT WASN'T A QUESTION BUT NOW I HAVE A GRANDSON THAT YOU KNOW IS GUNG HO FOR UH FOOTBALL UH-HUH AND UH THAT DOESN'T PLEASE GRANDMA TOO MUCH WELL I'M ALWAYS BECAUSE THE INJURIES ARE UH CAN BE VERY VERY DEVASTATING WELL THERE'S INJURIES IN A LOT OF SPORT I'D I UH-HUH UH I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT I THINK THE THEY HAPPEN MORE IN FOOTBALL I THINK THE ODDS ARE CUT DOWN YOU KNOW I I KNOW THEY CAN GET HURT IN BASEBALL TOO THE BAT IS A VERY HEAVY OBJECT CAN DO A LOT OF DAMAGE BUT UH I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A A LOWER RACIAL OF INJURIES RATIO OF INJURIES IN BASEBALL BASEBALL IT'S TRUE I I WOULD SAY THAT BASEBALL TENDS TO BE ONE OF THE LESS BECAUSE YEAH TROUBLESOME SPORTS BUT UH FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S JUST UH UH A LOVE FOR THEM UH-HUH I SEE WELL THAT NOT SO MUCH THAT BUT UH EVEN IN BASEBALL YOU CAN LIKE WHEN I PLAYED BASEBALL WHEN I WAS GROWING UP I HAD TROUBLE UH UH JUST THROWING THE BALL BECAUSE I VERY I WAS ALWAYS VERY STRONG AND I WHEN I WAS YOUNG I COULD THROW HARDER THAN MY UH LIKE LIGAMENTS AND ALL THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO AND SO I WAS ALWAYS THROWING MY ARM OUT AND UH UH-HUH HAVING TROUBLE I AND I WAS A CATCHER SO I WAS CONSTANTLY THROWING BACK TO THE PITCHER AND THEN DOWN TO SECOND BASE AND ALL AND THAT KIND OF STUFF SO I THAT WAS ALWAYS A PROBLEM FOR ME WAS JUST JUST THE CONSTANT THROWING SO DID YOU DID YOU SUSTAIN ANY PERMANENT UH INJURY WITH THAT NO I DID THAT WRESTLING +NOISE+ OH OH OKAY NO I'D WELL I I UH ALWAYS BEEN QUITE AN ATHLETE AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS AND UH THE OTHER THING WAS I'D NEVER REALLY LET INJURIES STOP ME BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH YOU MENTIONED FOOTBALL IS LIKE NOW I WON'T PLAY FOOTBALL ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE UH THE SEPARATED SHOULDER WRESTLING UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH SO UH BUT I STOOD THE STOOD THE INJURY WRESTLING BUT IT AS LONG AS I LET IT HEAL IT NEVER REALLY BOTHERED ME THEN PLAYING FOOTBALL THIS FALL I IT WAS JUST FLAG FOOTBALL TOO I SEPARATED IT AGAIN AND IT SEEMED TO BE OH BOY LIKE THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK SO UH-HUH WELL I HAVE UH I HAVE A BROKEN ARM THAT I HAD SINCE I WAS THREE IT WAS NEVER SET RIGHT UH-HUH MY GOD UH-HUH UH-HUH SURE AND UH UH I LIKED BOWLING AS A AS A KIND OF A RELAXING SPORT AND UH ONE OF THE MEN THAT WAS IN OUR ON OUR LEAGUE UH NOTICED UH YOU KNOW UH MY BROKEN ARM AND THE WAY MY BALL WOULD DO AND HE SAYS LET ME SHOW YOU HOW TO USE YOUR ARM TO YOUR ADVANTAGE AND SO HE BROUGHT ME UP FROM LIKE A HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN I HAD MY HIGH GAME OF TWO EIGHTY SEVEN +NOISE+ SO UH YEAH +NOISE+ UH IT WAS REALLY FUNNY YOU KNOW THAT HE WOULD TELL ME WHERE TO STAND AND HOW TO HOLD MY ARM AND AND HOW TO UH FOLLOW THROUGH WITH MY UH ADDRESSING THAT TO PUT THE BALL THE UH PINS SO THAT WAS INTERESTING SO I REALLY UH I GOT A LOT OF UH RECOGNITION FROM THE UH UH THE BOWLING LEAGUE I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHERE ALL MY PINS CAME FROM BUT IT'S BUT THAT WAS QUITE AWHILE AGO BUT I AND I NEVER PURSUED IT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE TURNED PRO AND I THOUGHT NO NOT I DON'T MY LOVE WASN'T THERE FOR THE GAME I LIKED TO AS A AS A METHOD OF UH ENTERTAINMENT AND I UH FELLOWSHIP BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT NO I DIDN'T AND I AND I STILL I LIKE TO BOWL BUT UH +NOISE+ I DON'T HAVE UH JACK +NOISE+ STANDING BEHIND ME TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO +NOISE+ ARE YOU ON YOU ON ANY LEAGUES NOW OH UH-HUH NO I'M NOT NO NO UH AT T_I THEY HAVE A SPONSOR A JUNIOR LEAGUE ACHIEVEMENT AND UH IT'S TRUE BOWLING AND I'VE NEVER UH SHARED THAT WITH THEM I WOULD HAVE TO BRUSH UP ON MY BOWLING BEFORE I EVEN TRIED TO UH WIN A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE JUNIOR ACHIEVEMENT UH ORGANIZATION BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD YOU KNOW BE GAR TO DO UH-HUH UH-HUH UH-HUH RIGHT WELL MY GRANDMOTHER HAS BEEN BOWLING FOR GOSH MAYBE THIRTY FORTY YEARS I DON'T KNOW A LONG TIME AND SHE STILL SHE'S GOT TO BE STILL CARRIES A GOOD UH AVERAGE WELL NO SHE WELL COURSE MY FAVORITE TEAM IS THE TEXAS RANGERS SO I WATCH THEM ALL THE TIME AND WHO DO YOU WATCH UH THE METS BUT I DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE UH THEY'RE DOING LOUSY +NOISE+ I DON'T KNOW THE METS +NOISE+ THIS ISN'T THEIR BEST SEASON IS IT NO NO I THINK YOU'RE UH DEFINITELY AN AVID FAN +NOISE+ WELL THE RANGERS ARE A FEW GAMES BEHIND MINNESOTA BUT IF WE COULD WIN THE NEXT OH I GUESS WE'D WIN HAVE TO WIN MOST ALL OF THEM WE COULD STILL GO TO TO THE RACE TO DO THE +NOISE+ WELL I WATCHED THE TWO GAMES THE LAST TWO NIGHTS I GAVE UP ON THE METS AROUND AUGUST YOU KNOW SO OH IS THAT RIGHT HOW MANY GAMES OUT IS TEXAS PARDON HOW MANY GAMES OUT ARE THEY I THINK THEY'RE OUT SIX AND SO THEY HAVE TO STILL WIN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE GAME THAT THEY HAVE TO PLAY TO THE END NOW OR ELSE RIGHT RIGHT YEAH I THINK MINNESOTA'S GOT TO GET LIKE THREE WINS OR OR TEXAS HAS TO LOSE THREE GAMES OR SOME COMBINATION OF THAT UH MAYBE NEXT YEAR YEAH YEAH I DON'T KNOW MINNESOTA'S WON A GOOD GAME THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB THIS YEAR I DON'T KNOW YEAH THEY ARE THEY ARE THEY REALLY BUT I'M GOING TO WATCH TONIGHT BECAUSE NOLAN RYAN'S GOING TO PITCH SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO WATCH HIM PITCH YEAH WHO'S WHO'S HE USED TO BE ON THE METS YEAH UH-HUH A LONG TIME AGO BUT WHO'S WHO'S WHO ELSE IS LIKE TEXAS' BIG PLAYERS THAT THAT UH UH WELL UH WE JUST TRADED BUECHELE AND I REALLY LIKED HIM BUT HE'S GONE NOW SO I I GUESS UH SIERRA I LIKE TO WATCH HIM BAT RIGHT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD YEAH HE'S HE'S REALLY GOOD FRANCO'S GOOD EXCEPT THAT UH HE'S GOT INJURIES RIGHT NOW HIS HAMSTRINGS DOWN IN THE BOTTOM OF HIS LEGS HE CAN'T RUN VERY WELL BUT HE USUALLY HITS +NOISE+ A HOME RUN THEN HE JUST TROTS AROUND THE BASES IT'S OKAY AND UH +NOISE+ HE'S THE SHORTSTOP THOUGH RIGHT FRANCO RIGHT YEAH WELL THEY'VE MOVED HIM NOW SINCE HE CAN'T MOVE THAT QUICKLY SINCE IT HURTS HIM THEY MOVED HIM TO SECOND BASE AND THEY MOVED PETRALLI INTO THAT AREA IN THAT RUNS NOW IN BETWEEN THE SHORTSTOP AREA AND HE TAKES SECOND BASE AND SIERRA'S AN OUTFIELDER UH SIERRA LET'S SEE YEAH SIERRA'S INTO THE SEE MIDDLE FIELD OR LEFT FIELD HE'S NOT IN LEFT FIELD HE MUST BE CENTER FIELD DO YOU OH YEAH I DON'T SEE I DON'T KNOW THE AMERICAN LEAGUE THAT WELL ONCE IN A WHILE I WATCH THE YANKEES UH BUT RARELY AND UH BUT THIS GUY THAT I'M I WORK WITH IS IN THIS ROTISSERIE LEAGUE WHERE THEY THEY CHOOSE NOW WHAT'S THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS OH OH OH YEAH WELL YOU CHOOSE PLAYERS AND YOU DO STUFF BASED ON STATS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT SO HE'S ALWAYS TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEAGUE LIKE HE GETS POINTS FOR EVERY TIME UH I THINK HE HAS RUBEN SIERRA ON HIS TEAM AND EVERY TIME HE GETS A HOME RUN OR STEALS A BASE OR GETS A HIT HE GETS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS AND THEN YOU GET TO PICTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO HE'S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEAGUE WHICH IS LIKE I SAID BECAUSE I WATCH THE METS I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEAGUE THAT'S RIGHT UH NO NOT TOO +NOISE+ NOT TOO MUCH YOU'RE NOT AN ASTRO FAN +NOISE+ I I GUESS I JUST DON'T WATCH THEM THAT MUCH UH I LIKE TO WATCH THE OAKLAND A'S PLAY THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PLAYERS TOO BUT I HAVEN'T WATCHED THEM FOR A WHILE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING TOO WELL THIS SEASON NO THEY'RE NOT THEY THEY WERE DOING WELL FOR A WHILE BUT THEN THEY KIND OF FELL OFF DO YOU GET ALL THE GAMES OUT THERE I MEAN YOU GET YOU GET TO WATCH THE A'S A LOT AND STUFF LIKE THAT UH ONCE EVERY SO OFTEN MOSTLY RANGERS GAMES COME ON RIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR AREA BUT UH +NOISE+ EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE ON A SATURDAY OR A SUNDAY THEY'LL PUT A ANOTHER LEAGUE ON YOU KNOW RIGHT BUT IT'S IT JUST DEPENDS HOW THE YOU KNOW HOW THEY FILL THE TIME SOMETIMES ANYWAY I UH WE GOT THIS IS MY FIRST CONVERSATION THROUGH THIS TEXAS INSTRUHENTS THING WHAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE DONE ONE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS YEAH SO OH IS IT OH WELL IT'S KIND OF FUN +NOISE+ YEAH UH ISN'T IT'S A FUN THING I THINK YOU'LL LIKE IT IT'S A IT'S A NEW THING TO DO AND UH +NOISE+ ANYWAY WE JUST UH IF YOU GET RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY THEN YOU SAY GOOD BYE +NOISE+ I DIDN'T EVEN EXPECT IT I JUST I HAPPENED TO HAVE THE UH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT MY UH MY PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION NUHBER WAS I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE THE FOLDER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME I'M GLAD I BROUGHT IT INTO WORK JUST +NOISE+ OKAY WELL IT WAS NICE TALKING TO YOU IT WAS NICE TALKING TO YOU TOO AND UH BE GOOD THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY UH BYE_BYE OKAY BYE_BYE WELL WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE BASEBALL TEAM RITA +NOISE+ WELL THAT ISN'T A A TRUE FALSE OR RIGHT OR WRONG TEST HERE WELL I SUPPOSE I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY THE RANGERS RIGHT +NOISE+ IS THAT WHAT IS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION HERE +NOISE+ YEAH UH UH YOU KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE RANGERS BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT I WAS FROM ILLINOIS AND MY FAVORITE TEAM WAS THE WHITE SOX NOT A CUBBIES FAN HUH NO NO MY FAMILY MY DAD WAS BUT I TURNED OUT TO BE A WHITE SOX FAN WELL THAT'S ALL RIGHT I LIVED IN CHICAGO HOW DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO THIS YEAR OKAY YEAH THEY DID PRETTY WELL WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE WORLD SERIES UH-HUH +NOISE+ SO YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CHOICE DID YOU +NOISE+ OR COUNTRY WELL I'LL TELL YOU I JUST UH MOVED DOWN FROM SOUTH DAKOTA IN JULY AND UH IN SOUTH DAKOTA THE MINNESOTA TWINS ARE THE CLOSEST PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM TO WHERE I WAS LIVING AND SO EVERYBODY WAS A TWINS FAN AND I WAS KIND OF UH DIDN'T HAVE MUCH INTEREST IN THE TWINS YOU KNOW IT WAS IT WAS KIND OF PATHETIC I MEAN WE ONLY HAD TWO RADIO STATIONS AND ONE OF THEM BROADCAST EVERY TWINS GAME LIVE YOU KNOW AND AND THE OTHER ONE WAS COUNTRY +NOISE+ SO THAT'S RIGHT THERE'S WAS TWINS THERE OR YOU KNOW SKIP WILLIAMS YEAH OH UH AND I WAS ROUTING FOR THE TWINS MYSELF BECAUSE UH THEY A COUPLE OF RANGER PLAYERS THAT I HAD WATCHED WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE UH WENT TO MINNESOTA AND WE USED TO TEASE ABOUT MY SON AND I USED TO HAVE A BET GOING ABOUT SOME OF THE PLAYERS THAT HAD MOVED FROM HERE TO MINNESOTA BUT IT WAS IT CERTAINLY WAS AN EXCITING SERIES ANYWAY IT SURE WAS IT SURE WAS WHAT DO YOU THINK GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE RANGERS WELL I OR CAN WE PREDICT I WOULD LIKE TO ASSUHE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO DO BETTER THIS COMING YEAR I WAS SURE HOPEFUL ANYWAY WHEN WE MOVED DOWN UH I WAS ABLE TO GO TO MY FIRST YOU KNOW BASEBALL GAME AND UH-HUH OH HE'S BEEN A LEGEND FOR SO MANY YEARS YOU KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW WERE YOU HERE HAD YOU MOVED HERE YET WHEN HE DID THE EXHIBITION AT U T WITH HIS SON HIS SON PITCHED FOR U T AND HE PITCHED FOR AN EXHIBITION GAME FOR THE RANGERS UH-HUH I WASN'T YEAH IT WAS A I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE EARLY PART OF THE SUHMER AND UH WAS IT NOLAN AGAINST UH NOLAN AGAINST RYAN AGAINST RYAN HUH RYAN AGAINST RYAN YEAH HIS SON PITCHED FOR U T WELL THAT IS NEAT UH-HUH AND UH ONLY UH RYAN DIDN'T WANT TOO MUCH PUBLICITY ON IT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT HIS SON GETTING TOO NERVOUS ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING A GAME IS A GAME YOU KNOW WELL THE RANGERS REALLY UH KNOCKED THE SOCKS OFF OF THEM WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT RIGHT YOU KNOW ANYWAY BUT NOLAN I THINK TOOK HIMSELF OUT AFTER A COUPLE OF INNINGS OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW OF THE GAME SO OH NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT GREAT TEAM YEAH I THINK WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADING WELL +NOISE+ WELL I JUST HEARD I GUESS UH BIG PROBLEM RIGHT NOW GAR STARTING TO SIGN SIERRA YOU KNOW BUT APPARENTLY HE WAS SIGNED FOR TWENTY FIVE AT FIVE IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WELL YOU YOU THINK HE'S WORTH IT +NOISE+ WHO COULD BE WORTH THAT HUH +NOISE+ I MEAN I DON'T KNOW I THINK I THINK I'M WORTH TWENTY FIVE MILLION IF HE IS BUT UH AS FAR AS I MEAN IF THEY'RE GOING TO PAY NOLAN RYAN FOUR AND A HALF MILLION I MEAN YEAH HE'S DEFINITELY WORTH IT JUST BECAUSE I MEAN RYAN'S ONLY COUPLE GOOD YEARS LEFT IN HIM WHERE SIERRA'S GOT AT LEAST ANOTHER TEN OR FIFTEEN YEARS BUT I MEAN WELL UH I I THINK THEY'D BE BETTER OFF TRADING HIM OFF FOR TWO MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR A YEAR PITCHERS THEY CAN WIN SOME TWELVE GAMES EACH THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE TOM HOUSE WHO IS GOING TO HE'LL BLOW THEIR ARMS OUT I MEAN THAT'S TRUE THAT'S TRUE AND I MEAN PITCHERS YOU GOT A UH THEY'VE GOT TO RESIGN THEM JUST TO KEEP THE CREDIBILITY OF THE FRANCHISE I MEAN BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T RESIGN THEM I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE THE LAST STRAW THEY KEPT VALENTINE WAY TOO LONG I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT I I THINK THAT AS LONG AS THEY THEY KEEP THAT UH MANAGEMENT TEAM I DON'T THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A WINNER I AGREE WITH YOU AND IT'S YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK I MEAN HE'S EVEN SAID HE HE YOU KNOW THAT PROBABLY WILL NOT NOT SIGN FOR AS MUCH AS BONILLA DID BUT I MEAN BECAUSE APPARENTLY HE'S HE UH HE'S REAL INTO ARABIAN HORSES AND ONE OF THE MINORITY OWNERS IS A BIG TIME UH ARABIAN HORSE UH DEALER OR WHATEVER AND HE'S I GUESS THERE HAS BEEN SOME HE'D WANT HE WANTS TO STAY OUT HERE AND GET SOME LAND AND DEVELOP THAT BECAUSE GAR SHOW YET OR NOT APPARENTLY HE HE DOESN'T WANT TO HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE STOMACH TO GO INTO A LARGE MARKET AND HAVE TO PROVE HIMSELF ALL OVER AGAIN YEAH HE'S GOT IT MADE IF HE JUST STAYS THERE SO HE'LL PROBABLY STAY AND OH I'LL STAY FOR A MILLION BUT OH I'D STAY FOR FIVE MILLION BUCKS A YEAR +NOISE+ THEY COULD TWIST MY ARM YOU KNOW IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO PAY I MEAN YOU MIGHT AS WELL I YOU KNOW CAN'T BLAME HIM FOR TAKING IT I MEAN OH EXACTLY WELL I I I DON'T EITHER I I THINK UH YOU KNOW THE WHOLE WHOLE SPORTS HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL AND WATCH WATCH A GAME ON T_V THEY GOT SO MANY ADS TO PAY FOR THE THING IF I CAN FALL ASLEEP DURING A FOOTBALL GAME WAKE UP AND NOT HAVE MISSED A MISSED A DOWN FOR CRYING OUT AND THAT'S THE WAY BASEBALL'S GOING TURN INTO IT IS THEY THEY HAVE GONE UP TO UH LAST YEAR NINETY SECONDS BETWEEN INNINGS INSTEAD OF A MINUTE AND UH-HUH THEY KEEP ESCALATING THE SALARIES AS THEY ARE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH AS MUCH YOU KNOW ADVERTISING AS THEY DO UH PLAYING BALL AND UH IT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE I I THINK I I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S AMERICA'S PASTIME ANYMORE I THINK FOOTBALL +NOISE+ TOOK IT OVER I MEAN I WAS A BIG BASEBALL FAN WHEN I WAS YOUNGER BUT I STILL FOLLOW IT AND EVERYTHING BUT IT'S JUST OH I I ENJOY I ENJOY THEM BOTH I I UH REFEREED FOOTBALL FOR YEAH FOR JUST YEAH IT IS THE ONLY THING GOING IN THE SUHMER BUT FOOTBALL IS DEFINITELY A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITING RIGHT NOW BUT I MEAN YOU KNOW I THINK UH AMATEUR YOU KNOW HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE IS A LOT MORE ENJOYABLE TO WATCH THAN UH YOU KNOW FOOTBALL THAN THAN THE PROS OH YEAH I AGREE THEY'RE JUST SITTING AROUND I LAST COWBOY GAME I WENT TO THEY WERE SITTING AROUND UH BETWEEN PLAYS SO LONG UH I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN BREAK A SWEAT FOR HEAVEN SAKES YOU KNOW JUST WAITING ON INS YEAH THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S AND UH IT IT'S TOO BAD YEP YEAH THE WORST IS WHEN THEY THEY KICK THE BALL OFF AFTER UH WHEN IT'S A COMMERCIAL AFTER THEY SCORE A TOUCHDOWN YEAH THEN THEY GOT THEN THEY GOT ANOTHER THEN THEY KICK IT OFF SIX MORE COMMERCIALS +NOISE+ THEN THE COMMERCIAL AFTER THAT THEY BRING THEM YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE COMMERCIAL I THINK THEY NEED TO ELIMINATE YEP BUT THEY WON'T THEY THEY WANT THE MONEY YOU KNOW AND UH SOMEONE'S GOT TO PAY FOR IT YEAH THEY'RE THEY'RE GREEDY AND THEY YOU KNOW THEY ALL ADMIT IT'S A BUSINESS AND THAT'S WHAT COMES FIRST AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE IS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THE RANGERS THEY MAKE MONEY AND THEY DON'T UH AS LONG AS THEY MAKE MONEY AND ARE RESPECTABLE THEY DON'T MAKE A YOU KNOW THEY AREN'T GOING TO PAY THE BUCKS OUT TO BE A WINNER AND LOSE MONEY AND THAT'S APPARENTLY WHAT IT TAKES +NOISE+ WHAT IT WHAT WHAT IT'S TAKING RIGHT NOW WELL I THINK THEY'RE JUST HOPING SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM LIKE HAPPENED TO ATLANTA WHICH IS A FLUKE +NOISE+ I THOUGHT ANYWAY TELL YOU WHAT I GOT I GOT TO KEEP TALKING TO YOU BUT I THINK THIS IS MY CAR GUY CALLING ON THIS LINE SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE PROBABLY ALMOST DONE BUT HANG ON JUST HELLO YES GOOD YEAH OKAY UH GOT ANOTHER CALL OKAY OH YEAH UH WELL THAT'S THAT'S OKAY HANG ON A MINUTE ANDY OKAY +NOISE+ WE'LL FINISH THIS OFF I'VE BEEN WAITING FIVE DAYS FOR MY CAR SO HE CAN WAIT A COUPLE SECONDS HERE +NOISE+ THAT'S UH BUT ANYWAY I I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY GOT A SITUATION THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO SEE A WINNER THIS YEAR BUT AS LONG AS WELL I I JUST I MEAN +NOISE+ I'VE BEEN A FAN SINCE I GUESS THE MIDDLE SEVENTIES AND UH IT'S JUST BEEN THE SAME THING EVERY YEAR I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING AND I MEAN THE LINEUP THEY UH SO MY FAVORITE TEAM IS ABOUT THE RANGERS YEAH IS IT I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT THEY ARE MY FAVORITE TEAM TOO A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THE LAST FEW YEARS I'M TELLING YOU YOU THINK THEY'LL SIGN RUBEN YOU KNOW NO I REALLY DON'T I JUST DON'T THINK YOU KNOW WITH THAT GUY FROM PITTSBURGH GETTING ALL THAT MONEY TWENTY SEVEN OR +NOISE+ TWENTY NINE MILLION OR WHATEVER IT WAS I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIGN RUBEN SIERRA AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A SHAME FOR YOU KNOW OUR AREA RIGHT YEAH I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE A BIG EFFECT IF THEY DON'T ON THE OTHER UH HISPANIC PLAYERS OH I DO TOO I JUST THE MAIN THING I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIG PROBLEM IT'S JUST GOING TO EFFECT ON THE THE TEAM YOU KNOW RIGHT WE JUST CAN'T SEEM TO YOU KNOW I THINK WE'VE BEEN IN THIS SPOT I THINK WE FINISHED SECOND ONCE OR MAYBE EVEN TWICE I DON'T KNOW I YEAH I'M I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A BASEBALL GAME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOO DISAPPOINTING I JUST WATCH THEM FALL EVERY YEAR RIGHT +NOISE+ OH I WAS A PETE INCAVIGLIA FAN AND UH I LIKED HIM BUT OF COURSE I UNDERSTAND BASEBALL DECISIONS ARE ALL JUST DECISIONS LIKE THAT HAVE TO BE MADE BY SOMEONE +NOISE+ GLAD IT'S NOT ME MAKING THEM RIGHT I THINK THEY JUST WANT TO STAY MEDIOCRE AND DRAW THEIR TWO MILLION FANS OUT THERE AND THEN BE HAPPY WITH IT AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE BUCKS TO GET A CONTENDER IN HERE BUT THEY SAY AS LONG AS THEY DRAW UP TWO MILLION FANS THAT RIGHT GREAVE AND VALENTINE WILL BE THERE RIGHT YEAH RIGHT SO AND THAT'S THE NAME OF THE GAME TOO YOU GOT TO MAKE MONEY YOU KNOW PAY THESE PLAYERS SO MUCH MONEY NOW IT'S JUST IT'S FRIGHTENING YOU AND I SHOULD BE SO LUCKY TO YOU KNOW TO GO OUT AND SWING A BAT AND GET TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS EVERY TIME YOU SWING THE BAT +NOISE+ OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT +NOISE+ THAT'S TRUE BUT UH THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT TRADING HIM IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SIGN HIM AND UH USE THE MONEY THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO SIGN THE GUY YOU KNOW TO PAY FOR PITCHERS OR YOU KNOW WHAT IT WHAT IT WHAT THEY WHAT ELSE THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE HITTING BUT THEY NEED THE PITCHING UH YEAH THEY REALLY DO I THINK THEY UH I THINK THEY NEED THEM ALL I JUST DON'T I UNDERSTAND THE BIG CITIES LIKE IN NEW YORK OR L_A OR SOMEWHERE BECAUSE BIG CITIES AND YOU KNOW A GUY A PRO ATHLETE CAN GO OUT THERE IN THE AFTERNOON AND PROBABLY MAKE FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST BY DOING A PERSONAL APPEARANCE AT A OH I KNOW AT A MEN'S CLOTHING STORE OR SOMETHING OR SPORTING GOODS STORE BUT I REALIZE THE DIFFERENCE BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND YEAH IT'S SURE AGGRAVATING WHEN YOU GO OUT AND BUST YOUR BUTT WORKING YOU KNOW YOUR DAY JOB AND YOU CAN WORK YOUR DAY JOB THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND NOT BRING HOME AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY BRING HOME IN ONE GAME +NOISE+ OH I KNOW I TELL YOU IT'S REAL AGGRAVATING BUT BUT ONE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY A GROUP YOU KNOW HEADED UP BY GEORGE BUSH WOULD BUY THE TEXAS RANGERS AND NOT REALLY GET BEHIND THEM BECAUSE I TELL YOU WE NEED A WINNER IN THIS TOWN IT LOOKS LIKE OUR COWBOYS ARE COMING BACK BUT THAT'S RIGHT SO THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG HELP TO DALLAS BUT YOU KNOW IN THE PAST HALF A +NOISE+ DOZEN YEARS ALL WE'VE HAD IS THE UH IT'S ALWAYS GOT THE SOCCER TEAM YEAH IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS WONDERED ME WHY I MEAN THEY ACT AS THOUGH THIS AREA IS NOT YOU KNOW A BIG METROPOLITAN AREA BUT YOU THINK WE'D SOMEDAY GET AN OWNER IN HERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO BUY THE +NOISE+ THE THE PLAYERS WE NEED OH I KNOW IT'S JUST REAL AGGRAVATING TO +NOISE+ BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HERE YOU KNOW SINCE WELL I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE SO I'VE BEEN A RANGER FAN SINCE ABOUT SEVENTY SEVEN SO IT'S A LOT OF LOSERS +NOISE+ OH I KNOW I'VE BEEN ONE IT'S ABOUT TO GET YOU KNOW AS BAD AS THE CUBS OR WHOEVER YOU KNOW RIGHT RIGHT YEAH I'VE BEEN I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE SEVENTY FOUR AND I'VE REALLY BEEN A RANGER FAN FOR THE LONGEST TIME AND +NOISE+ EXCUSE ME I DON'T MISS A TIME PICKING UP THE MORNING PAPER AND CHECKING THE BOX SCORE I MEAN I FOLLOW THEM AND I FOLLOW THEM LIKE I FOLLOW THE MAVERICKS AND LIKE I FOLLOW THE COWBOYS BUT AND I WANT TO SEE THEM WIN BECAUSE YOU KNOW DAMN IT THEY THE FANS DESERVE IT I MEAN IT YOU KNOW WE HAVE PRETTY UH GREAT FANS PUT TWO MILLION PEOPLE IN THAT STADIUH I'M TELLING YOU I LOVE NOLAN RYAN I GUESS YOU PROBABLY LOVE HIM TOO OH I DO TOO RIGHT I THINK THIS TOWN WOULD GO CRAZY IF THEY EVER GOT A EVEN A PLAYOFF TEAM I MEAN IT WOULD BE PACKED AND THEY GOT THAT NEW STADIUH THEY ARE BUILDING SO AT LEAST AT LEAST THAT WILL BE EXCITING +NOISE+ IT WILL WHEN WE GET THAT BUT WELL WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY ARE HEADING THIS YEAR RIGHT +NOISE+ UH +NOISE+ IT'S HARD TO SAY IT'S GOING TO BE DEPENDING ON WHERE THE WHAT THEY DO WITH RUBEN SIERRA AND UH I MEAN I'M GETTING TIRED OF THEM GOING INTO EACH YEAR SAYING YOU KNOW BOBBY WITT IS THE ANSWER AND KEVIN BROWN IS THE ANSWER AND MAN THAT'S GETTING OLD YOU KNOW THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN PAMPERED I MEAN IT'S TIME TO TO EITHER YOU KNOW PUT OUT OR SHUT UP YEAH BOBBY WITT AND RIGHT AND VALENTINE AND GREAVE THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET YOU KNOW THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET OLD BUT I LIKE THIS SANDY JOHNSON GETS FORCED INTO WINS LIKE SEVENTEEN GAMES OR WHATEVER AND THEY HAVE THE LATER TEN GAME WINNING STREAK AND THEY GIVE HIM ALL KINDS OF MONEY AND THEN HE JUST GOES RIGHT DOWN THE TUBES OKAY WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE BREWERS +NOISE+ WELL UH +NOISE+ I GUESS THE THING ABOUT THE BREWERS IS I THINK THEIR PERSONNEL POLICIES HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MISGUIDED LATELY UH I THINK THAT'S THEIR MAIN PROBLEM UH THEY SEEM TO HAVE STUCK WITH THE SAME CORE OF PLAYERS UH ROBIN YOUNT PAUL MOLITOR AND JIM GANTNER WHO UH THEY'RE REAL GOOD PLAYERS BUT THEY SEEM TO JUST DEPEND ON THEM TO PRODUCE A PENNANT AND IT IT ISN'T WORKING WELL THE PROBLEM WITH THE RANGERS IS THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF OFFENSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY PITCHING AND REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY PITCHING FOR YEARS THEY'RE THE TOP OFFENSIVE TEAM AROUND BUT DEFENSE AND PITCHING WINS YOUR GAMES OVER THE LONG HAUL EXCEPT FOR PAPA RYAN ANYWAY YEAH WELL THAT'S TRUE BUT HE ONLY COMES EVERY FIVE TIMES SO THAT'S RIGHT HE CAN'T WIN THEM ALL FOR HIM HE WIN THEM ALL AND HE'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT UP THERE YEAH I THINK UH THE THING ABOUT THE BREWERS IS TOO THEIR PITCHING THEY NEVER HAVE REALLY HAD REAL GOOD PITCHING UH LAST TIME THEY HAD REALLY GOOD PITCHING WAS BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES WHEN THEY GOT TO THE WORLD SERIES WITH UH PEOPLE LIKE VUCKOVICH AND FINGERS UH YES WALLY FINGERS YEAH YEAH AND OF COURSE UH HE GOT THEM TO THE SERIES BUT THEN JUST BEFORE THE SERIES THAT YEAR IN EIGHTY TWO HE UH UH THREW HIS ELBOW OUT OR SOMETHING SHOULDER OR ELBOW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH AND UH THEY'RE NUHBER TWO RIGHT HANDER IN THE BULLPEN PETE LADD WHO WAS KIND OF A ROOKIE THAT YEAR UH HAD TO TAKE HIS PLACE AND UH I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY LOST THE SERIES BECAUSE IN IN GAME TWO IN SAINT LOUIS THEY HAD A PRETTY GOOD LEAD GOING INTO LATE INNINGS AND LADD GOT RATTLED WHEN HE DIDN'T GET SOME CALLS AND THEY ENDED UP LOSING THE GAME UH OLD MUSTACHE FINGERS WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT WELL WALLY WAS WALLY WAS MORE UH +NOISE+ OH I GUESS HE'S UH IS HE IN THE HALL OF FAME ALREADY I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER I CAN'T REMEMBER IF HE'S MADE IT OR NOT YET HE HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN I DON'T KNOW WHEN HE RETIRED ACTUALLY YOU GOT TO BE RETIRED FOR FIVE YEARS TO BE ELIGIBLE YEAH BUT THAT WAS I THINK EIGHTY TWO WAS WELL EIGHTY ONE WAS THE YEAR I THINK THAT HE WON THE THE UH CY YOUNG AND THE M V P AND THE FIREMAN OF THE YEAR AWARD ALL AT THE SAME TIME I THINK BUT UH BUT IN EIGHTY TWO I THINK HE WON SOMETHING SOME KIND OF AWARD HAD A LOT OF SAVES ANYWAY YEAH WE HAD A GAME HERE WHERE UH WE HAD GOOSE GOSSAGE THIS YEAR AND GOOSE AND UH RYAN TO COMBINE AND THEY GOT I DON'T KNOW +NOISE+ RYAN GOT HIS THREE HUNDRED SOMETHING WIN AND AT THE SAME TIME GOOSE GOT HIS THREE HUNDRED AND SOMETHING SAFE AND THEY WERE YOU KNOW THE SAME +NOISE+ NUHBER AND THEY SAID THAT IT WAS AN UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE TO HAVE THAT WELL I'D FORGOTTEN THAT GOSSAGE WAS WITH THE RANGERS THE THE HE WAS THIS YEAR LAST YEAR YEAH BUT HE'S NOT COMING BACK NOW DID THEY PICK HIM UP UH SOMETIME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON OR WHO YEAH WELL NO THEY GOT HIM AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE SEASON BUT HE AND THE AND MANAGER BOBBY VALENTINE DIDN'T COME ALONG SO GOOSE IS GOOSE IS HISTORY YEAH WELL HE'S BEEN QUITE A RELIEVER IN HIS TIME OH YEAH HE'S A HE'S HE'S DEFINITELY HEADED TO THE HALL OF FAME BUT THE RANGERS HAVE YOU KNOW A A PRETTY GOOD LINEUP NOW UH WITH THE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE UH DICKEY THORNE AT UH SHORT STOP THAT OUGHT TO HELP THEM BUT THEIR PROBLEM IS OTHER THAN RYAN AND AN OCCASIONAL FLASH OF BRILLIANCE OF OTHER PEOPLE THERE IS JUST NOBODY THERE YEAH WELL WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THEM TO UH TO IMPROVE IN THAT AREA I GUESS BECAUSE AT LEAST THE UH NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT THEM A LITTLE BIT I'M GETTING SORT OF BACK THROUGH THE FOOTBALL SEASON BACK INTO +NOISE+ BASEBALL I REALIZE WHEN YOU THINK OF THE RANGERS NOW YOU GOT A REAL GOOD LOOKING YOUNG OUTFIELD THERE FOR THE MOST PART AND UH QUITE A FEW OF THE INFIELDERS ARE UH PROBABLY HAVE REAL GOOD CAREERS STILL AHEAD OF THEM I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY GOT RID OF BUECHELE BUT I GUESS IT WORKED OUT FOR HIM OKAY WELL AT LEAST HE GOT A PLAY IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP THE RANGERS HAVE NEVER WON THE DIVISION SO YEAH WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO LAST YEAR YEAH I THINK HE'S HISTORY OLD INKY WENT THE WRONG WAY THOUGH DIDN'T HE +NOISE+ HE IS HISTORY NOW WHO DID THEY TRADE HIM TO I CLEVELAND DETROIT DETROIT OH WELL THEY DIDN'T YEAH THEY HE WENT TO DETROIT THEY REALLY DIDN'T GET MUCH FOR HIM OH THEY RELEASED HIM REALLY DIDN'T THEY YEAH THEY RELEASED HIM AND HE HAD TO GO AROUND TRYING TO SIGN UP WITH SOMEBODY YEAH BUT HE PROVED TO BE A TOTAL DISASTER MY GOODNESS WHEN HE WAS WHEN HE WAS WHEN HE COULD REALLY GET INTO A BALL THOUGH HE WAS UH HAD A LOT OF POWER I TELL YOU HE REMINDS ME A LOT OF GORMAN THOMAS REMEMBER HIM YEAH CENTER FIELDER FOR THE BREWERS THERE FOR A WHILE THERE IS A GUY YEAH HE DID SOMETHING I I SAW HIM HIT A GRAND SLAM ONCE IN A GAME WHEN I WAS THERE BUT I ALSO HIM DROP A BALL THAT COST A COUPLE RUNS ENDED UP COSTING THE GAME SO HE COULD YOU KNOW HE COULD BE BOTH BRILLIANT AND WITH A BAT AND JUST A DISASTER IN THE FIELD UH WELL I DON'T THINK HIS FIELDING WAS GENERALLY THAT BAD HE UH AS A MATTER OF FACT HE WAS IT WAS EARLY ON IT GOT BETTER BUT IT YEAH RIGHT WAS PRETTY BAD AT THE BEGINNING YEAH HE DID GET BETTER AND I THINK UH HE WAS ONE OF GEORGE BAMBURGER'S BIG PROJECTS WHEN HE TOOK OVER THE UH MILWAUKEE HE WAS THE GUY THAT WAS UP AND DOWN UH WHICH BASEBALL TEAM'S YOUR FAVORITE UH I DON'T REALLY HAVE A FAVORITE BASEBALL TEAM BUT OF COURSE THE RANGERS PLAY HERE OH UH-HUH AND AND THEY'VE MADE A WHOLE TEAM HISTORY OF TRADING AWAY PLAYERS THAT BECOME ALL STARS LATER ON SO OH HAVE THEY LIKE WHO ARE SOME OF THEIR WHO ARE SOME OF THEIR PLAYERS THAT THEY'VE TRADED AWAY OH WELL UH SEVERAL PITCHERS TOBY HARRA AND UH GAR DOC MEDDICH UH-HUH A ANOTHER PITCHER AND OF COURSE NOW THEY'VE THEY'VE SUNK ALL THEIR MONEY INTO NOLAN RYAN SO OH OH THEY HAVE THEY HAVE RUBEN SIERRA AND THEY HAVE UH UH JULIO FRANCO OH SO THEY'VE HAD SOME REAL GOOD ONES OVER THE YEARS UH-HUH YEAH AND THEY THEY TRADED AWAY UH INCAVIGLIA TO DETROIT I THINK AND THEN HE HIT MORE HOME RUNS THIS YEAR THAN HE'D EVER HIT BEFORE OH OH WELL THAT'S GOOD DO THEY IS IS BASEBALL FOR YOUNG KIDS THERE A BIG THING DO THEY START THEM OUT EARLY OR WHERE DO THEY GET ALL THESE GOOD PLAYERS FROM OH UH NO WELL THEY GET THEM FROM YOU KNOW PUERTO RICO AND MEXICO AND MINOR LEAGUES OH THE BASEBALL BASEBALL HAS A BIG MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM +NOISE+ ESPECIALLY IN A A FEW PLAYERS COME OUT OF COLLEGE UH-HUH AND THEN MORE PLAYERS UH GO STRAIGHT TO THE MINORS OH AND THAT GIVES THEM TIME TO SEE UH PITCHING AT A HIGHER SPEED YOU KNOW UH-HUH HOW DO SO DO THEY HAVE A A PROGRAM AT ALL FOR YOUNG KIDS THERE FOR BASEBALL +NOISE+ OR IS SOCCER THE BIGGEST THING OR YEAH THEY DO IT'S IT'S MOSTLY IN THE SCHOOLS THE I THINK THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS SOCCER THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT UH-HUH THAT SOCCER IS BIGGER IT USED TO BE AROUND HERE ANYWAY THAT UH BASEBALL WAS REAL BIG FOR THE YOUNG BOYS BUT NOW IT IT SOCCER IS MAKING A REAL QUICK CATCH UP UH I KNOW THEY HAVE THE FOUR AND FIVE YEAR OLD KIDS START LIKE WITH THE T BALL UH-HUH ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT AT ALL RIGHT YEAH THE T BALL AND I THINK THEY GO UNTIL THEY'RE SEVEN THEN THEY HAVE THE PITCHING MACHINE I THINK EIGHT AND NINE AND THEN AND THEN JUST THE REGULAR PITCHING AFTER THAT BUT UH-HUH IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AS BIG AS PROGRAM AS IT AS IT USED TO BE AND I'M I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR AROUND HERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY BASEBALL TEAMS I DON'T THINK THAT EVEN IN SALT LAKE CITY THERE IS A THERE IS A NO THERE'S NOT CALIFORNIA'S THE NEAREST PLACE YEAH RIGHT SO IT IT'S NOT THERE'S NO TEAMS AROUND HERE THAT I REALLY FOLLOW AND AM CLOSE WITH HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED BASEBALL IS IT OH UH-HUH UH NO JUST IN P E UH IT'S IT'S PRETTY BIG HERE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL PLAYERS UH PICKED IN THE DRAFT YOU KNOW THEY THEY'RE PICKED IN LOWER ROUNDS ESPECIALLY PITCHERS OH UH BUT MOSTLY THEY JUST GO ON TO COLLEGE BECAUSE RIGHT BECAUSE THEY NEED THE EXPERIENCE AND THE EDUCATION SO UH-HUH RIGHT WELL THAT'S I REMEMBER UH PLAYING BASEBALL WHEN I WAS JUST IN GRADE SCHOOL BUT BY THE TIME YOU KNOW WE GOT TO P E IT IT WASN'T A REAL UH-HUH A REAL BIG THING EITHER BUT I ENJOY BASEBALL JUST FOR A FUN PASTIME NOW WITH YOU KNOW A GROUP GETS TOGETHER A FAMILY REUNION OR WHATEVER OR WE WE LIVE IN A REAL SMALL COMMUNITY AND THEY HAVE UH LIKE FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATIONS AND PEOPLE WILL GET TOGETHER AND PLAY SOFTBALL AND THAT'S FUN I REALLY ENJOY THAT I THINK IT'S A FUN GAME I THINK IT'S FUNNER TO PLAY THAN TO WATCH MYSELF +NOISE+ RIGHT YEAH SO DO YOU DO YOU ENJOY PLAYING IT AT ALL OR DO YOU ENJOY WATCHING IT EVEN UH-HUH OH YEAH I I UH I ENJOY PLAYING AND IT TOOK ALWAYS TOOK ME WE'D PLAY YOU KNOW DURING THE SPRING SEMESTER ALWAYS TOOK ME ABOUT SIX WEEKS BEFORE I COULD SEE THE BALL BEFORE I COULD HIT THE BALL OH UH-HUH AND UH YEAH IT'S A BUT I ENJOY I ENJOY UH WATCHING THE ALL STAR GAME RIGHT OH OH AND THE WORLD SERIES WAS REALLY GOOD THIS YEAR THERE THERE WERE SOME SPECTACULAR CATCHES AND A LOT OF HOME RUNS AND THEY HAD UH SEVERAL DOUBLE PLAYS