YES IT WAS AT THE U. N. CONFERENCE ON SPACE [UH] IN VIENNA (as275) AND [UM] (as276) IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I MET THEM (as277) AND [UM] (as278) [UM] BECAUSE I WAS VERY BUSY WITH THE OTHER THINGS AS WELL AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE (as279) BUT I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THEM EVEN AT THAT TIME AND THEY TOLD ME ABOUT THEIR PLANS WHICH I DIDN'T TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY (as280) IT SOUNDED [UH] RATHER UNLIKELY THAT SUCH AN AMBITIOUS SCHEME WOULD EVER MATERIALIZE BUT (as281) MY WORD THEY'VE REALLY DONE MORE THAN I EVER DREAMED POSSIBLE (as282) WELL I HAVE BEEN REALLY NOT MUCH MORE THAN A FIGUREHEAD BECAUSE I'VE ONLY MET THEM A HANDFUL OF TIMES ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN OF COURSE IN COMMUNICATION WITH (as283) PHONES AND FAXES AND SO FORTH (as284) BUT [UH] I'M HAPPY TO'VE BEEN I HOPE AN INSPIRATION TO THEM AND TO THEIR ASSOCIATES (as285) AND THEY'VE ALSO BEEN AN INSPIRATION TO ME I MIGHT SAY (as286) BEEN VERY ENCOURAGING TO SEE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE PARTICULARLY IN A PERIOD WHEN (as287) [UH] SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY [ER] TEND TO BE YOU KNOW LOOKED DOWN UPON BY MANY SEGMENTS OF THE PUBLIC UNFORTUNATELY (as288) SO I AM VERY HAPPY INDEED TO SEE THIS FORWARD MOVEMENT INTO ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT (as289) ASPECTS OF SPACE AND TE- [UH] OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (as290) I [UM] ALWAYS SEEM TO BE INVOLVED IN SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECIES THOUGH ADMITTEDLY I- DELIBERATE IN [UM] (as291) THINGS ARE HAPPENING TO ME AND I WORK THEM INTO MY BOOKS AND LATER ON (as292) I MADE THINGS HAPPEN THAT I HAVE WORKED INTO MY BOOKS AND [UH] (as293) ONE EXAMPLE WHICH IS REALLY RELEVANT TO THIS IS THE (as294) FLOATING UNIVERSITY THE SS UNIVERSE WHERE I SPENT MANY HAPPY HOURS IN FACT DAYS(as295) WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ISU AND [UH] I THINK YOU MIGHT CONSIDER DOING THE SAME KIND OF THING (as296) GETTING A SHIP GOING TO SEA FOR SEVERAL WEEKS (as297) AND HAVING LECTURES AND SO FORTH (as298) AND THE UNIVERSE THAT WE USED TO COME TO (as299) SRI LANKA AND I USE TO JOIN IT HERE OR JOIN IT IN SINGAPORE AND SAIL BACK TO SRI LANKA (as300) AND THAT WAS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE INTERACTING WITH ALL THESE BRIGHT YOUNG PEOPLE (as301) AND LATER ON I DEVELOPED THIS FURTHER INTO A SPACE UNIVERSITY (as302) GOING AROUND THE SOLAR SYSTEM WITH THE SAME KIND OF YOUNGSTERS WELL MAYBE I ONE DAY THE ISU (as303) YOU WILL HAVE YOUR SPACE FARING CAMPUS (as304) THE EXTRAORDINARY RAPID SPEED OF CHANGE CHANGE IN THE WORLD IT'LL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR SCIENTISTS AND WRITERS TO THE REALITY (as305) IN TWO THOUSAND AND ONE WHICH WAS NINETEEN SIXTY EIGHT BEFORE THE FIRST MOON LANDING WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THE SOVIET UNION AND THE US IN TWO THOUSAND AND TEN WHICH WAS YOU KNOW FIFTEEN FIFTEEN OR SO YEARS LATER WE STILL HAVE THE SAME CONFRONTATION EVEN THOUGH WE DID HAVE A JOINT MISSION BUT THERE WAS STILL THE SAME SORT OF [UH] AND THAT SITUATION HAS CHANGED COMPLETELY (as306) EXAMPLE OF THIS YOU KNOW WHEN TWO THOUSAND AND TEN WAS PUBLISHED IN RUSSIA IN A RUSSIAN MAGAZINE THEY SUDDENLY REALIZED I NAMED ALL THE CHARACTERS RUSSIAN CHARACTERS AFTER WELL-KNOWN DISTANCES AND THEY STOPPED PUBLICATION IN MID-STREAM AND FIRED THE POOR EDITOR (as307) OH NOW THEY'VE APOLOGIZED AND REPUBLISHED IT (as308) COSMONAUT LANOFF WAS RATHER EMBARRASSED BY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE DEDICATED TWO THOUSAND AND TEN TO HIM AND TO SAKAROFF AND SO THAT HAS MADE THINGS A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR HIM BUT NOW OF COURSE WE'RE ALL VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS (as309) ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE DIFFICULTY OF KEEPING UP WITH EVENTS IN MY LAST NOVEL THE GHOST AND THE GRAND BANKS SORRY ABOUT THE COMMERCIALS WHICH TAKES PLACE IN THE NEXT CENTURY I HAVE SOME ONE OF MY CHARACTERS REFER TO LENINGRAD AND SUDDENLY CORRECTING HIMSELF I MEAN SAINT PETERSBURG WELL I MEAN THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED (as310) YES ONE HAS TO FLOW WITH THE TIDE IN FACT THERE'S A PHRASE I AM VERY FOND OF FROM AN ENGLISH POET ROBERT BRIDGES THAT LIFE CONSISTS OF THE MASTERFUL ADMINISTRATION OF THE UNFORESEEN (as311) THE MASTERFUL ADMINISTRATION OF THE UNFORESEEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED LOTS OF NOW (as312) I AM SURE IT IS [UM] YOUR PROGRESSIVE PRAGMATISTS WHO USE A LOT OF PHRASES USER GRAB SEIZE THE DAY SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY (as313) AND I AM SURE WHAT I MET WHAT I HAVE SEEN OF THE FOUNDERS THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT (as314) YES THE ISU GRADUATES SO THEY ARE GOING TO THE CUTTING EDGE OF SPACE EXPLORATION SPACE TECHNOLOGY (as315) AND THE SKILLS THEY'RE REQUIRING IN THE ISU LECTURES AND OPERATIONS GENERALLY MEET IN PARTICULAR INSPIRATION FROM OLDER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SPACE PROGRAM (as316) THAT'S GOING TO PLAY A VITAL CATALECTIC ROLE IN THE NEXT CENTURY (as317) I AM PRETTY SURE THAT [AH] SOME OF THE ISU STUDENTS WILL BE WALKING ON MARS ONE DAY CERTAINLY ON THE MOON (as318) YES [AH] THE NEXT GENERATION THAT PHRASE IS ALL FAMILIAR BUT THEY WILL BE THE NEXT GENERATION IN SPACE AND THE FIRST OF MANY GENERATIONS (as319) [UM] CAN I ASK YOU THE CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT AS A AS THE YEH YES YES TRY (as320) THE ISU DOES REPRESENT THE NEXT GENERATION IN SPACE AND IN FACT THE FIRST (as321) I HOPE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF GENERATIONS IN SPACE AS WE GO OUT AND EXPLORE THE SOLAR SYSTEM AND ULTIMATELY THE UNIVERSE (as322) I'M VERY INTERESTED IN COINCIDENCES THE WAY THINGS SEEM TO HAPPEN (as323) [AH] SOMETIMES AS THOUGH A PUPPET MASTER'S THERE PLAYING WITH US BUT OF COURSE IT ISN'T TRUE WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT [UH] RANDOM EVENTS OCCUR RANDOM BUT YOU MUST GRAB THE PARTICULAR EVENT (as324) THAT SUITS YOUR PURPOSE AND (as325) THE ISU WAS LUCKY IN THE TIME OF FORMATION AND I HOPE IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE LUCKY IN THE FUTURE (AS326) PERHAPS LUCKY ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD [UM] IT MUST CONTROL ITS LUCK AND MISS NOT THE OPPORTUNITIES AND SEIZE OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY ARISE (as327) SOMEBODY ONCE SAID THAT [AH] SUCCESS FAVORS THE PREPARED MIND AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE PREPARED MINDS (as328) [UM] SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS ARE ARE CREATED ALL THE TIME (as329) RAW SOCIETY IN ENGLAND AND [UH] (as330) WHICH GREW UP FROM A GROUP OF CRAZY AMATEURS RATHER LIKE THE SCIENCE FICTION CLUBS THAT I USED TO KNOW IN MY YOUTH WHICH LED TO THE BRITISH INTERPLANETARY SOCIETY WHICH IS NOW RESPECTED (as331) TECHNICAL ORGANIZATION THE AMERICAN ROCK SOCIETY WHICH LED TO THE (as332) [AH] THE AIAA ALWAYS DEPENDS IN THE BEGINNING ON FAR SIGHTED INDIVIDUALS (as333) FEW SOMETIMES ONLY A HAND- HANDFUL WHO THEN INSPIRE THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR IDEALS AND GOALS AND [UM] THEN IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL (as334) OF COURSE THEY BECOME PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT A DANGER (as335) I'VE ALWAYS BEEN KEEN ON INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION IN SPACE GOING RIGHT BACK TO MY FIRST BOOK ON SPACE TRAVEL (as336) PREJUDICE SPACE WHICH I HAD I HAD IN THAT PHRA- PHRASED IN THAT IN NINETEEN FORTY EIGHT [UM] WE WILL TAKE NO FRONTIERS INTO SPACE (as337) I AM REALLY PROUD OF THAT PHRASE WHICH I WHICH I WROTE IN NINETEEN FORTY SEVEN FORTY EIGHT (as338) AND ONE TIME IT LOOKED AS THOUGH THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE FULFILLED NOW IN FACT THAT IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE TRUE WE WILL TAKE NO FRONTIERS INTO SPACE (as339) MANKIND OUR MANKIND TO THE PLANETS BUT NOT NATIONS (as340) THE ISU EPITOMIZES IN MANY WAYS THIS SUPRA-NATIONAL APPROACH (as341) [AH] NATIONAL ENTITIES EXIST (as342) CONTINUE TO EXIST FOR A LONG TIME IN FACT WE MAY HAVE MANY MORE NATIONS (as343) I THINK THAT AT THE MOMENT WE'RE GOING THROUGH A VERY INTERESTING STAGE STAGE NOW WHEN MANY GROUPS ARE BECOMING [AH] INDEPENDENT (as344)H THE HUMAN RACE MAY BE DIVIDED INTO LOTS OF TRIBES (as345) MAYBE THERE'LL BE NO NATIONS IN THE NEXT CENTURY BUT THOUSANDS OF TRIBES (as346) BUT OVERALL THERE'LL BE GLOBAL ORGANIZATIONS (as347) TO COORDINATE ACTIVITIES AND THE ISU I HOPE WILL BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT (as348) AND THE COMMUNICATIONS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE INTELLSAT IN MATTER ALL THESE THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS WE HAVE MORE AND MORE A KIND OF DICHOTOMY IN A WAY MORE AND MORE GLOBAL ORGANIZATIONS (as349) AND YET MORE AND MORE SMALL REGIONAL ENTITIES AND THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT TO COOPERATE (as350) THE ISU IS AN EXCELLENT INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE FOR ANY NATION (as351) ANY NATION WHICH WANTS TO TAKE PART (as352 BUT NOT NECESSARILY AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL BUT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF ITS OWN PEOPLE FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL GOOD AND DEVELOPMENT (as353) I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE USE OF SATELLITES FOR COMMUNICATION OF COURSE (as354) MEANS WE CAN BE INDEPENDENT OF OUR LOCATION DO ANYTHING WE WANT ANYWHERE (as355) INDEPENDENT OF TIME AND SPACE (as356) AND THIS OF COURSE FITS IN IDEALLY WITH THE ISU'S OBJECTIVES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT A PERMANENT CAMPUS WHERE PEOPLE COULD MEET FACE TO FACE INTERACT (as357) AFTER THEY HAVE DONE THAT WHEN THEY DISPERSED THEY CAN STILL INTERACT IN A WAY THEY COULD NEVER HAVE DONE IF THEY HADN'T MET PERSONALLY SO WE GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (as358) PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE TO GATHER TOGETHER IN LARGE COMMUNITIES FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME THEY CAN MEET OCCASIONALLY AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO INTERACT STUDY (as359) THROUGH THEIR HOME CONSOLES WHEREVER THEY ARE (as360) WELL I VERY MUCH HOPE THAT THE ISU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A PERMANENT CAMPUS (as361) AT ONE TIME WE DREAMED OF HAVING ONE HERE IN SRI LANKA BUT WE AS YOU KNOW HAVE SERIOUS LOGISTIC AND POLITICAL PROBLEMS WHICH ARE NOT AS SERIOUS AS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK (as362) BUT THEY ARE THERE (as363) AND SO I REALLY HAVE NO PARTICULAR SUGGESTION AS TO WHERE YOUR PERMANENT CAMPUS WILL BE WHEN I SAY PERMANENT I MEAN YOUR TEMPORARY CAMPUS BECAUSE YOUR PERMANENT CAMPUS HAS GOT TO BE IN SPACE (as364) ~ - MEANS WE CAN BE INDEPENDENT OF OUR LOCATION DO ANYTHING WE WANT ANYWHERE (as355) INDEPENDENT OF TIME AND SPACE (as356) AND THIS OF COURSE FITS IN IDEALLY WITH THE ISU'S OBJECTIVES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT A PERMANENT CAMPUS WHERE PEOPLE COULD MEET FACE TO FACE INTERACT (as357) AFTER THEY HAVE DONE THAT WHEN THEY DISPERSED THEY CAN STILL INTERACT IN A WAY THEY COULD NEVER HAVE DONE IF THEY HADN'T MET PERSONALLY [THROAT CLEAR] SO WE GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (as358) PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE TO GATHER TOGETHER IN LARGE COMMUNITIES FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME THEY CAN MEET OCCASIONALLY [BREATH] AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO INTERACT STUDY (as359) THROUGH THEIR HOME CONSOLES WHEREVER THEY ARE [CLICK] (as360) WELL I VERY MUCH HOPE THAT THE ISU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A PERMANENT CAMPUS (as361) AT ONE TIME WE DREAMED OF HAVING ON HERE IN SRI LANKA BUT WE AS YOU KNOW HAVE SERIOUS LOGISTIC AND POLITICAL PROBLEMS WHICH ARE NOT AS SERIOUS AS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK [BREATH] (as362) BUT THEY ARE THERE (as363) AND SO I REALLY HAVE NO PARTICULAR SUGGESTION AS TO WHERE YOUR PERMANENT CAMPUS WILL BE WHEN I SAY PERMANENT I MEAN YOUR TEMPORARY CAMPUS BECAUSE YOUR PERMANENT CAMPUS HAS GOT TO BE IN SPACE (as364)