\begindata{text822, 0} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Fri, 1 Mar 1991 09:48:15 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 1 Mar 1991 09:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Fri, 1 Mar 1991 09:45:46 -0500 (EST) ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1991 09:45:46 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com ReSent-To: Info-Andrew Return-path: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 91 08:06:57 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Wohl X-Andrew-Message-Size: 7005+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-afs , nsb@thumper.bellcore.com, "Bob Oesterlin" Subject: Re: Archive command for AMS bboards? CC: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com, PC-Daemon In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,3328512} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Matt Sorrels and I put together an archiver called amsar. It had some new message server functions for preforming an operation on all captions of a message directory at once. This is zillion times faster (especialy for delete). I will be remerging sources with the itc in a week or two and will try to get it included. Aaron amsar - AMS archiver Simple examples amsar pack mail mail.ar first 100 ;save the first 100 mail messages amsar pack -delete mail mail.ar from jack amsar unpack mail mail.ar all amsar list mail last 5 amsar dir mail.ar from "bobo the clown" asmar is utility for copying messages between ams folders and a archive file. The archive files are suitable for transfering to floppy disks and/or compressing to save space. Some more complex examples Transfer previous years to a floppy: amsar pack -delete mail mail.pak before jan-1-90 Then ftp (MUST be transfered in binary mode) the file to say, a mac. Run stuffit and make a .sit file. Split it into floppy sized chunks. Using compress: amsar pack mail - subject bogus|compress > bogus.pak.Z amsar pack -delete mail - subject bogus Note due to the way vice stores happen the above amsar|compress should not be done in one step since a vice crash might not leave eithor copy intact. Using uncompress: uncompress bogus.pak.Z|amsar unpack/create menus - from "food services" Transfer message on alt.sex from bruce and about decnet to my mailbox: amsar pack netnews.alt.sex - from bruce and subject decnet|amsar unpack mail - all Delete messages before 1990 not from cyert or libove: amsar pack -delete mail - before jan-1-90 and not \\( from cyert or from libove \\) > /dev/null pack foldername outputfile expr pack -delete foldername outputfile expr Messages from the named folder selected by expr are transfered to outputfile. If output file is - then output is to standard out and the chatty messages move to standard error. pack -delete will make a second pass over the ams folder and delete the selected messages after the output file has been successfully closed (and stored to vice if it is a vice file). -delete and - should not generally be combined since a process further down stream in the the pipe might abort. The foldername is found on your mspath as specified in your prefrences. If expr is not present it defaults to the expression 'all'. unpack foldernaame infile expr Messages from the named infile are loaded into the ams folder foldername. Use - for infile to read from standard in. If expr is not present it defaults to the expression 'all'. list foldername expr List the matching headers from foldername to standard out. dir pakfilename expr List the matching headers from pakfilename to standard out. delete foldername expr Delete messages matching the given expression create foldername Create a new folder rmfolder foldername Delete a folder Options: Options may appeare in any order and proceede the pack or unpack command. amsar -quiet ... - don't print anything unless there is an error amsar -yescase ... - be case sensitive in from and subject matches Expressions: ::= | OR | AND ::= FIRST number - the first number messages | LAST number - the last number messages | SINCE date - messages on or after date, format dd-mmm-yy ie 26-jun-89 | BEFORE date - messages yearler than date | FROM text - messages containing text in from field ex:from "jack stein" | SUBJECT text - messages containing text in subject ex:subject meeting | ( ) - grouped sub expression ex: not \\( first 100 and last 100 \\) | NOT - all messages except thoughs selected by Note: The expressions match the message caption. That is the match is against the strings you see when displaying the captions list in a mail program NOT against the real data in the message. So if the subject is cut because it is too long when viewing it in macmail for example then that data is not available for matching either. On the plus side it is many times faster this way. If you sent a message ams puts the person it was sent to in the sender field preceded by "=>" example: => A. Wohl@andrew.cmu.ed The text matches (subject and from) use the bsd regexp (re_comp,re_exec) regular expression matcher. Some examples: from ".*a.*n" - match names not starting with 'a' that have an 'a' preceded by an 'n' The following characters need to be quoted to amsar to not be considered regexp characters . * ( ) [ ] \\ Some of these also need to be quoteed to the shell, so to match a backslash in a subject: subject \\\\\\\\ The text matches (subject and from) default to non case sensitive, use -yescase to make them case sensitive. Example: amsar -yescase pack mail - from Bob The commands and operators themselves are always case insensitive. Example: amsar -YESCASE PACK mail - froM Bob However the foldername is parsed by ams and followes amses rules, whatever they are. In the default non case sensitive mode, both the string to match on the command line and the string in the header are converted to lower case. If the match pattern is really regexp expression containing a character range spanning the lower and upper case characters (ie [Q-r] ) then the match results are unpredictable, (use yescase for such strange matches). Each term of an expression is one command line argument. So be carefull to quote multi word arguments to the shell for example: subject "meeting tuesday". Likewise be sure to quote ( and ) example: not \\( from aw0g or from advisor \\) Also note the spaces before and after the parentheses. When an unpack or delete operation failes in the middle (say vice goes down when half the files are unpacked), the a mark may be left saying that the folder needs to be reconstructed the next time that folder is accessed with amsar or any other ams client any temporary or partialy created work will be cleaned up. If I pack then unpack a folder is it exactly the same? No, there are two differences: a) Each message lives in an individual file. When you restore them you are the last writer. Before the sender of the message or postman would most likely have been the writer. If the message directory ever becomes damaged and is reconstructed then due to a problem in the directory rebuilder it may think you are trying to fake who sent the mail. If this happens the captions may seem to all be from the person that restored the mail. This problem doesn't seem to happen with personal folders only bboards. b) There is a table in the message directory of which messages are associated by being replies to the same original message. amsar uses some shortcuts in unpacking messages and does not maintain this informaion. No ams clients use it currently so that should not be a problem. Written by:Aaron Wohl/Special Projects/Carnegie Mellon University Special thanks to:Matt Sorrals/Special Projects/Carnegie Mellon University \enddata{text,3328512} \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 8964} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 1 Mar 91 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 1 Mar 91 10:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Fri, 1 Mar 91 10:13:38 EST Received: by research; Fri Mar 1 10:13:10 EST 1991 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gargoyle.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.gargoyle.sun4_40; Fri, 1 Mar 1991 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1991 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Schell X-Andrew-Message-Size: 287+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , asylum!osc!jgk@decwrl.dec.com (Joe Keane), Fred Hansen Subject: Re: Yet Another Suggested Message System Feature In-Reply-To: References: , <4579@osc.COM>, \begindata{text,2817968} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I like the compressed message idea too. I would imagine that a framework to apply an arbitrary program X to X-ize and un X-ize messages in a directory could be used in a lot of ways. Encryption/decryption for example. \bold{Bill Schell} AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ bill@allegra.att.com \enddata{text,2817968} \enddata{text822, 8964} \begindata{text822, 10870} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 4 Mar 91 14:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 4 Mar 91 14:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 4 Mar 91 14:36:21 EST Received: from slic.cellbio.duke.edu by duke.cs.duke.edu (5.64/2.12G/4.1) id AA16896; Mon, 4 Mar 91 14:36:18 -0500 Received: by slic.cellbio.duke.edu (5.52/890607.SGI) (for @duke.cs.duke.edu:info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) id AA14418; Mon, 4 Mar 91 14:36:30 EST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 91 14:36:30 EST From: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu (Jit Keong Tan) Message-Id: <9103041936.AA14418@slic.cellbio.duke.edu> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ATK on Silicon Graphics Has anyone sucessfully ported ATK onto the Silicon Graphics platform ? Please reply to me directly as I don't normally read this group. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------- Jit Keong Tan | internet: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu (919) 684-8098 | bitnet : tan00001@dukemc.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------- U.S. Mail: Duke University Medical Center Department Of Cell Biology Box 3709 385 Nanaline Duke Bldg, Durham, NC 27710 \enddata{text822, 10870} \begindata{text822, 12535} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 91 12:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 91 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from elysees.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 5 Mar 91 12:14:37 EST Received: by elysees.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.2) id AA01555; Tue, 5 Mar 91 12:14:35 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.elysees.noname.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.elysees.noname.sun4_40; Tue, 5 Mar 1991 12:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1991 12:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Edwards X-Andrew-Message-Size: 548+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Timout too long in messages-s Cc: Curtis Galloway In-Reply-To: <0bnLXl24YtUe0X3Wo0@sco.COM> References: <0bnLXl24YtUe0X3Wo0@sco.COM> \begindata{text,2522272} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{notetotypesetter menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 28-Feb-91 Timout too long in messages-s Curtis Galloway@sco.COM (241)} \quotation{The timeout for AMS clients detecting a dead messageserver seems rather }\quotation{excessive -- it ends up being many tens of seconds on my machine. }\quotation{(Okay, I'm impatient.) Can someone point me to the code that controls }\quotation{this interval? } Yes, I agree. I read info-andrew via /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/... which times out frequently. It seems that Messages is dead in the water about 60 seconds before it realizes it lost its connection to CMU. - \underline{Anthony} \enddata{text,2522272} \enddata{text822, 12535} \begindata{text822, 15454} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 1991 14:10:12 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 1991 14:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3.35 via MS.5.6.fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3_35; Tue, 5 Mar 1991 14:04:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1991 14:04:03 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1319+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Timout too long in messages-s In-Reply-To: References: <0bnLXl24YtUe0X3Wo0@sco.COM> \begindata{text,2716328} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 5-Mar-91 Re: Timout too long in mess.. Anthony Edwards@northsta (548+0)} \quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 28-Feb-91 Timout too long in messages-s Curtis Galloway@sco.COM (241)} } \quotation{\quotation{The timeout for AMS clients detecting a dead messageserver seems rather }}\quotation{\quotation{excessive -- it ends up being many tens of seconds on my machine. }}\quotation{\quotation{(Okay, I'm impatient.) Can someone point me to the code that controls }}\quotation{\quotation{this interval? }} \quotation{Yes, I agree. I read info-andrew via /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/... which times out frequently. It seems that Messages is dead in the water about 60 seconds before it realizes it lost its connection to CMU. }\quotation{ - \underline{Anthony} } I believe you are talking about two different things - the first [Curt] (if I am correct) has to do with running AMS with a remote messageserver which, if idle for some-amount-of-time will disconnect (or something). It then seems to take forever to reconnect (partially because the message telling you that it is reconnecting to the messageserver doesn't appear until late in the process) The second [Anthony] sounds like an AFS timeout due to fileserver/network problems. The ATK group (with help from ex-AMS folks?) might be able to figure out how to adjust the former (if so inclined). Transarc would have to be contacted regarding the second. --fish \enddata{text,2716328} \enddata{text822, 15454} \begindata{text822, 18325} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 91 15:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 91 15:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 5 Mar 91 15:20:48 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 5 Mar 91 15:20:47 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 5 Mar 91 15:23:43 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Tue, 5 Mar 1991 15:23:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1991 15:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Timout too long in messages-s In-Reply-To: References: <0bnLXl24YtUe0X3Wo0@sco.COM> , I'm not sure, but I think you want to modify AMS_SNAP_TIMEOUT in ams/libs/hdrs/snapams.h. At any rate, the relevant code is in ams/libs/snap/cuisnap.c. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 18325} \begindata{text822, 20079} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 91 08:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 91 08:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from carla.dist.unige.it by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 7 Mar 91 08:43:18 EST Received: from jrc.UUCP by carla.dist.unige.it with UUCP (5.61++/IDA-1.2.8) id AA03485; Thu, 7 Mar 91 14:47:57 +0100 Received: from kbs.isei.jrc.it (medusa) by jrc.it; Thu, 7 Mar 91 14:23:35 GMT Received: by kbs.isei.jrc.it (4.0/JRC-S-1.0); Thu, 7 Mar 91 14:26:45 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.inter.kbs.isei.jrc.it.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.inter.kbs.isei.jrc.it.sun4_40; Thu, 7 Mar 1991 14:26:30 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1991 14:26:30 +0100 (MET) From: Paul Meylemans To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: A browser for the ATK classes I am using Andrew not only as an end-user environment, but also as a development environment and as the basis for prototyping new applications. One of the major difficulties I encountered when making new classes is the lack of a class browser (something like the SmallTalk browser) that shows me the existing classes, their inheritance path, the class's data structure and the available methods. Such a browser would also be a nice extension to the on-line help and the documentation, that does not show the same level of clarity throughout the whole set. I cannot imagine that such a browser would not be available in some form, given the large number of users of the Andrew environment (and they cannot all be end-users). If someone out there already has made an Andrew class browser or has thought about making one, please let me know. I would be very greatfull. Paul Meylemans Joint Research Center of the European Communities Ispra Establishment I-21020 Ispra (VA) Italy Tel. +39-332-78.54.75 Fax. +39-332-78.92.56 e-mail p_meylemans@jrc.it \enddata{text822, 20079} \begindata{text822, 22553} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 2368;andrew.cmu.edu;Douglas F. DeJulio Received: from vacuna.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 91 09:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from vacuna.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 91 09:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.10.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.vacuna.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.30 via MS.5.6.vacuna.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_30; Thu, 7 Mar 91 09:48:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0bpZ_Uu00WCPE6hlxw@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 91 09:48:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: A browser for the ATK classes In-Reply-To: References: Paul Meylemans writes: > If someone out there already has made an Andrew class browser or has > thought about making one, please let me know. Wasn't there one of these done in org at one point? I think I remember seeing one a long time ago. Does anybody else remember something like this? -- Doug DeJulio dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu \enddata{text822, 22553} \begindata{text822, 24083} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 91 12:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 91 12:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 7 Mar 91 12:01:50 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA09720; Thu, 7 Mar 91 08:56:18 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 7 Mar 91 16:34:48 GMT From: bu.edu!xylogics!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!qucdn!hooper@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Andy Hooper) Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Subject: Re: Building Andrew Under SunOS 4.x Message-Id: <91066.113448HOOPER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've gotten a though a lot of the build of Andrew with patch.009 installed, on SunOS 4.1, but hit a snag in atk/layout. filler.c and filler.ch added in this patch reference cel.c and cel.ch but the latter two are missing. fillerv has the same problem with celv. Are cel and celv available in a later patch, or from some other source? ----- Andy Hooper Queen's University, Kingston, Canada \enddata{text822, 24083} \begindata{text822, 25912} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from dublin.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 1991 12:29:05 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from dublin.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Mar 1991 12:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dublin.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.dublin.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 7 Mar 1991 12:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1991 12:26:34 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 250+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , bu.edu!xylogics!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!qucdn!hooper@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Andy Hooper) Subject: Re: Building Andrew Under SunOS 4.x In-Reply-To: <91066.113448HOOPER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> References: , <91066.113448HOOPER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> \begindata{text,270290624} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Cel and celv are in the lset directory, which is currently only compiled if MK_AUTHORING is defined in your site.h file. We will work to solve this dependency problem in the next patch. Meanwhile adding this define should solve your problems. Tom \enddata{text,270290624} \enddata{text822, 25912} \begindata{text822, 27656} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 91 11:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 91 11:18:15 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 91 11:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from elysees.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 8 Mar 91 11:16:47 EST Received: by elysees.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.2) id AA15211; Fri, 8 Mar 91 11:16:45 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.elysees.noname.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.elysees.noname.sun4_40; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1991 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony Edwards X-Andrew-Message-Size: 258+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Check Spelling - small suggestion for consistency \begindata{text,1125872} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{notetotypesetter menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} I can't seem to make ^C or ^G work when using the spell checker in Ez. Sure, I can quit out by pressing Q, but I'm ^C is my first response. I just suggest that ^C and ^G be implemented for consistency with the rest of the ATK programs/insets. - \underline{Anthony} \enddata{text,1125872} \enddata{text822, 27656} \begindata{text822, 30274} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:16:56 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3.35 via MS.5.6.fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3_35; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:16:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4bpxHV600as9M9REsr@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:16:01 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 751+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Check Spelling - small suggestion for consistency In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,2764224} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 8-Mar-91 Check Spelling - small sugg.. Anthony Edwards@northsta (258+0)} \quotation{I can't seem to make ^C or ^G work when using the spell checker in Ez. Sure, I can quit out by pressing Q, but I'm ^C is my first response. I just suggest that ^C and ^G be implemented for consistency with the rest of the ATK programs/insets. }\quotation{ - \underline{Anthony} } I'm not sure how you have consistancy between an interactive function/command and an inset - the closes I can see for a comparisson is query-replace (I can't think of any other function/command that comes close) Well, query-repleace will accept a ^G but not a ^C - so I see an argument for ^G (which is generally the "universal abort" command) - but I'm not sure I'd buy ^C --fish\ \enddata{text,2764224} \enddata{text822, 30274} \begindata{text822, 32427} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:48:27 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:44:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1991 13:44:51 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 466+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Check Spelling - small suggestion for consistency In-Reply-To: <4bpxHV600as9M9REsr@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <4bpxHV600as9M9REsr@andrew.cmu.edu> \begindata{text,270209920} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 8-Mar-91 Re: Check Spelling - small .. Adam Stoller (751+0)} \quotation{Well, query-repleace will accept a ^G but not a ^C - so I see an argument for ^G (which is generally the "universal abort" command) - but I'm not sure I'd buy ^C } From my point of view.... ^G is the "cosmic abort" while ^C is merely the "end of recursive edit." I'm not sure exactly which functions provide for recursive edit but I know that query-replace does. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,270209920} \enddata{text822, 32427} \begindata{text822, 34296} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 91 20:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Mar 91 20:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from griffin.uvm.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 8 Mar 91 20:13:01 EST Received: by UVM.EDU (5.61+/1.11) id AA06396; Fri, 8 Mar 91 20:12:59 -0500 Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.griffin.uvm.edu.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.griffin.uvm.edu.sun4_40; Fri, 8 Mar 1991 20:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8bq3OOe4lU4=4Mw0QH@griffin.uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1991 20:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Dist List) Subject: MS leaves some messages in /tmp... Cc: I have noticed that MS leaves copies of some outbound messages in /tmp, instead of deleting them like it ought. This seems to happen primarily with address validation errors; perhaps someone forgot an unlink somewhere? Or is this a feature? -GAWollman -- \enddata{text822, 34296} \begindata{text822, 35752} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 10 Mar 91 15:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 10 Mar 91 15:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 10 Mar 91 15:37:50 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA20214; Sun, 10 Mar 91 12:22:37 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Mar 91 20:21:25 GMT From: magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!helios!n025fc@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Kevin Weller) Organization: Texas A&M University, Computer Science Department Subject: Andrew without Internet? Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I apologize if this seems like an incredibly silly question, but I am very much a beginner with X and Andrew. Besides, I can't find anything in the docs that states, in a nutshell, exactly what Andrew is! According to my interpretation, it is a set of X applications with a common protocol for multimedia document storage and transfer--that about right? I'm mainly interested in the word processing and graphics programs, not the mail stuff. Now the real question: Does Andrew require a machine to be connected to the internet? See, I'm not on internet (though I have access to it via campus computers), and in fact, I'm not currently on ANY network. The only reason I can run X11R4 under XENIX SysV (for 386 PC's) is the socket EMULATION driver Chain Lee wrote. Since I'm not currently interested in the networking aspects of X, I'd just like to compile those parts of Andrew that do word processing, spreadsheets, etc. I thought I configured the installation accordingly, but it seems that some source in the overhead library requires true networking support; my compile is currently stuck on overhead/util/lib/getaddr.c since my machine HAS NO INTERNET ADDRESS to get. Is there something extra I should be doing to disable network reliance in the Andrew system? Any configuring/compiling tips at all would be greatly appreciated, but if I can't make Andrew work without TCP/IP or something, then I'll just have to give up for now. I hope that won't be necessary, but I've learned to take the "you can't do that on your puny little system" response with some composure. :-( Thanx in advance! -- Kev -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin L. Weller /-------+--------------------\ internet: n025fc@tamuts.tamu.edu | aTm | GIG 'EM, AGGIES! | CIS: 73327,1447 (but I rarely log on) \-------+--------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ %SYS-E-BADOPSYS, Fatal system error, DEC VMS halting / "And now for something -SYS-I-GETUNIX, Replace with UNIX immediately! / completely different." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Monty Python \enddata{text822, 35752} \begindata{text822, 39373} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 11 Mar 1991 12:56:38 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 11 Mar 1991 12:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 11 Mar 1991 12:55:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1991 12:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 579+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew without Internet? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,270229080} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 10-Mar-91 Andrew without Internet? Kevin Weller@tut.cis.ohi (2249)} \quotation{I }\quotation{thought I configured the installation accordingly, but it seems that }\quotation{some source in the overhead library requires true networking support; }\quotation{my compile is currently stuck on overhead/util/lib/getaddr.c since my }\quotation{machine HAS NO INTERNET ADDRESS to get. } Can you send the build errors? If you have the proper include files this module should compile regardless of you network situation. Please report which of the include file in that module are actually on your system. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,270229080} \enddata{text822, 39373} \begindata{text822, 41343} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 12 Mar 91 08:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Mar 91 08:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from loke.idt.unit.no by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 12 Mar 91 08:11:49 EST Received: from budur.idt.unit.no by loke.idt.unit.no (5.65+/idt-2.24) id AA06102; Tue, 12 Mar 91 14:11:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 91 14:11:16 +0100 Received: by budur.idt.unit.no (5.65+/idt-C-1.4) id AA02105; Tue, 12 Mar 91 14:11:03 +0100 Message-Id: <9103121311.AA02105@budur.idt.unit.no> From: Erlend Johansen To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: erlenjo@idt.unit.no Subject: ATK for C++? We are soon to begin a project developing an ODA-based intelligent document system. Due to ODA's object oriented structure, we plan to implement the system in C++. We are considering using the Andrew Toolkit (together with the CMU ODA Toolkit) because of it's strong support for multimedia applications and text editing. Therefore, we wondered if there exist a C++ version of the ATK. If not, do you have any suggestions on how to 'get the best of both worlds' and make the ATK coexist happily with C++? Many thanks. Sincerely Erlend Johansen Information and Knowledge Systems Group Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science The Norwegian Institute of Technology The University of Trondheim N-7034 Trondheim, Norway E-mail: erlenjo@idt.unit.no \enddata{text822, 41343} \begindata{text822, 43236} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 12 Mar 91 12:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 12 Mar 91 12:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 12 Mar 91 12:39:19 EST Received: from LAKOTA.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26818; Tue, 12 Mar 91 12:38:32 EST Received: by lakota.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07996; Tue, 12 Mar 91 12:38:27 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lakota.vax.43 via MS.5.6.lakota.vax_43; Tue, 12 Mar 1991 12:38:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1991 12:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, Erlend Johansen Subject: Re: ATK for C++? Cc: erlenjo@idt.unit.no In-Reply-To: <9103121311.AA02105@budur.idt.unit.no> References: <9103121311.AA02105@budur.idt.unit.no> I would like to take this opportunity to state a simple reason why C++ is inadequate to produce a working port of the Andrew Toolkit: Initialization of global variables. Although most programmers eschew global variables, there are times when they turn out to be the only thing that works. Here's the problem: C++ allows (and andrew utilizes) the ability to have global variables that contain complicated expressions. In fact, these expressions can rely on global initializations in other modules. Therein lies the problem: The standard says the order of initialization is ostensibly undefined for globals that span two modules. You can create global definitions that get different meanings depending on what order the two modules are initialized. In ATK, the Class language addresses with finesse involving the dynamic object loader (it's really quite simple). Initialization is by first use of the dynamic object. Until somebody in the C++ standards community bites the bullet and specifies an initialization order, you will get non-deterministic implementations of ATK in C++ unless you are scrupulously careful with every module you write. -wdc \enddata{text822, 43236} \begindata{text822, 45801} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 06:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 06:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 14 Mar 91 06:53:14 EST Received: by lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de (5.61+/IDA-1.2.8/gandalf.2) id AA06261; Thu, 14 Mar 91 12:53:29 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de.pmax_3; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 12:53:22 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4brqEmEP80008KGUoT@lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 12:53:22 +0100 (MET) From: Juergen Henke X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1297+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: unaligned access on DECstation \begindata{text,18737428} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Finally i built ATK,PL9 on our DECstations (DECstation 5000/PX, Ultrix V4.1). Beside the few things you already had to fix in Patchlevel 7, all went fine - but if i \bold{USE} now anything from the ATK, i get myriads of error messages. \typewriter{[...] Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x10f7134 Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x113786c Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x11378a0 [...] } I switched off Optimization complete (\typewriter{-O0}), i used \typewriter{cc2.1} instead of \typewriter{cc} - no change... Is there anyone who knows what to fix (the Errlog Buffer overflows ...) ? Many thanks in advance, J\^{|}rgen P.S.: Here is a (possibly incomplete) list, what i had to fix for the DECstation: 1. ensure, that \typewriter{crt0.o} is NOT in \typewriter{libcx.a} 2. comment out the lines in getstats.c (may be a fix later...), which contain \typewriter{ v_intr, v_syscall and v_swtch} (i think DEC has put them into the per CPU part). Anyone interested in writing a new \typewriter{getstats.c} ? One could take a look at \typewriter{top} (the version from gatekeeper.dec.com). _________________________________________________________________________ Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4571109306::JUH_IPA Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung Eierstrasse 46, D-7000 Stuttgart 1 \enddata{text,18737428} \enddata{text822, 45801} \begindata{text822, 48633} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 10:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 10:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 14 Mar 91 10:42:25 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA27945; Thu, 14 Mar 91 07:37:17 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Mar 91 15:55:05 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!think.com!paperboy!hsdndev!dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!paw@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Pat Wilson) Organization: Project NORTHSTAR Subject: Incorrect error msg in AFS'd EZ Message-Id: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Running EZ on an RS6000, one of my users (who was _severely_ over quota at the time) got the following error when he tried to save: cannot save file: network is down Of course, the network was fine - it was his volume that was having problems. I haven't looked at the EZ code to figure out what it's checking, but it seems like it might not be too hard to put a different (and more correct) error out in this situation. [RS/6000 running AIX 3.1.3003, AFS 3.1, and ATK pl9] Thanks. -- Pat Wilson Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu \enddata{text822, 48633} \begindata{text822, 50943} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:56:53 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA02059; Thu, 14 Mar 91 08:51:29 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Mar 91 21:11:03 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!eyring@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Keyboard focus versus Mouse click focus Message-Id: <110406@cc.utah.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Another beginner to Andrew, also looking for an X-word processor. Free of course Is there a FAQ Frequently Asked Questions file somewhere? I have the distribution installed, a Sun 3 using SunOS 4.1, running OpenWindows, but I can't get any of the applications to gain the keyboard focus. The focus goes back to the original window that launched the Andrew application. Mouse clicks work but no keyboard inputs. \enddata{text822, 50943} \begindata{text822, 52647} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 12:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:57:41 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA02188; Thu, 14 Mar 91 08:54:00 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Mar 91 21:50:05 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!pollux.usc.edu!jnoll@decwrl.dec.com (John Noll) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Subject: query - Andrew hypertext paper Message-Id: <31019@usc> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Greetings: I am looking for a copy of an article that appeared in last year's European Conference on Hypertext (ECHT '90), by Mark Sherman, entitled "Building Hypertext on a Multimedia Toolkit: An Overview of Andrew Toolkit Hypermedia Facilities." I was wondering if this may be available in electronic form, and if so whether it could be retreived via anonymous ftp or if someone could email me a copy. Please forgive me if this has been discussed recently. Thanks for your help, John Noll USC Department of Computer Science jnoll@usc.edu \enddata{text822, 52647} \begindata{text822, 54491} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:23:02 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:18:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:18:53 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2012+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Incorrect error msg in AFS'd EZ In-Reply-To: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> \begindata{text,269944032} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 12-Mar-91 Incorrect error msg in AFS'.. Pat Wilson@ucbvax.Berkel (566)} \quotation{I haven't looked at the EZ code to figure out what it's }\quotation{checking, but it seems like it might not be too hard to put a different }\quotation{(and more correct) error out in this situation. } I just read it and\footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,269091944} \textdsversion{12} assuming that this is a situation where the user is merely writing a file into their AFS account and that account is over its allocation\ \enddata{fnote,269091944} \view{fnotev,269091944,0,0,0}} I'm of the opinion that it's an AFS bug. Here is the code frag from andrew/atk/frame/framecmd.c [static int saveBuffer()]: \smaller{ result = buffer_WriteToFile(buffer, filename, buffer_ReliableWrite | buffer_MakeBackup); if (result >= 0) \{ /* Success */ \} else switch (errno) \{ case EACCES: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "Could not save file; permission denied."); break; #ifdef ETIMEDOUT case ETIMEDOUT: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "Could not save file; a server is down."); break; #endif /* ETIMEDOUT */ #ifdef EFAULT case EFAULT: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "Could not save file; a server is down."); break; #endif /* EFAULT */ #ifdef EDQUOT case EDQUOT: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "Could not save file; you are over your quota."); break; #endif /* EDQUOT */ case ENOSPC: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "Could not save file; no space left on partition."); break; #ifdef EIO case EIO: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "Could not save file; an I/O error occurred on the disk."); break; #endif /* EIO */ case EISDIR: message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, "File not found; could not create. Attempt to write to a directory."); break; default: sprintf(message, "Could not save file: %s.", UnixError(errno)); message_DisplayString(outputFrame, 0, message); \} }\enddata{text,269944032} \enddata{text822, 54491} \begindata{text822, 58294} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:54:16 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:53:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 13:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 902+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Keyboard focus versus Mouse click focus In-Reply-To: <110406@cc.utah.edu> References: <110406@cc.utah.edu> \begindata{text,269944032} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 13-Mar-91 Keyboard focus versus Mouse.. eyring@decwrl.dec.com (417)} \quotation{Another beginner to Andrew, also looking for an X-word processor. Free }\quotation{of course } We've got one of those. It's called EZ. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 13-Mar-91 Keyboard focus versus Mouse.. eyring@decwrl.dec.com (417)} \quotation{Is there a FAQ Frequently Asked Questions file somewhere? } No, but it's a very good idea. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 13-Mar-91 Keyboard focus versus Mouse.. eyring@decwrl.dec.com (417)} \quotation{I have the distribution installed, a Sun 3 using SunOS 4.1, running }\quotation{OpenWindows, but I can't get any of the applications to gain the }\quotation{keyboard focus. } What is your current patchlevel? You can cat andrew/patchlevel.h. If you aren't at patchlevel 9 then update your sources. The latest patches are available via anonymous ftp from the Internet host emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (Internet:128.2.30.62). Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,269944032} \enddata{text822, 58294} \begindata{text822, 60622} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 14:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 14:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 14:46:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 14:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 632+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: MS leaves some messages in /tmp... In-Reply-To: <8bq3OOe4lU4=4Mw0QH@griffin.uvm.edu> References: <8bq3OOe4lU4=4Mw0QH@griffin.uvm.edu> \begindata{text,269944032} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 8-Mar-91 MS leaves some messages in .. Garrett Wollman@griffin. (257)} \quotation{I have noticed that MS leaves copies of some outbound messages in /tmp, }\quotation{instead of deleting them like it ought. This seems to happen primarily }\quotation{with address validation errors; perhaps someone forgot an unlink somewhere? }\quotation{Or is this a feature? } If it is a feature it's dubious. Privacy goes out the window on a public workstation. I have seen this behavior but I just had a validation error and it didn't leave any garbage in /tmp. If you can come up with a reproducible case, then we can fix this up. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,269944032} \enddata{text822, 60622} \begindata{text822, 62639} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:13:04 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:09:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:09:55 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 863+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: Incorrect error msg in AFS'd EZ In-Reply-To: References: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> \begindata{text,18711616} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{footnote } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 14-Mar-91 Re: Incorrect error msg in .. Gary Keim (2012+1)} \quotation{I just read it and\footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,19121060} \textdsversion{12} assuming that this is a situation where the user is merely writing a file into their AFS account and that account is over its allocation\ \enddata{fnote,19121060} \view{fnotev,19121060,3,0,0}} I'm of the opinion that it's an AFS bug. Here is the code frag from andrew/atk/frame/framecmd.c [static int saveBuffer()]: } It may well be an AFS bug, but there's also a question on the value of errno after buffer_WriteToFile returns. At the end of that routine: \smaller{ errno = errorCode; /* Get a fresh stat() on the file after we've now written it. */ if(differentFile == FALSE)\{ /* don't modify if writing to another file */ self->lastTouchDate = buffer_GetFileDate(self); \} return closeCode; \} } Now, buffer_GetFileDate() essentially does a stat() call. It's not clear whether that stat() is overwriting errno with a value that gets translated as ``network is down'' (ENETDOWN?), or just where that value is coming from. Craig \enddata{text,18711616} \enddata{text822, 62639} \begindata{text822, 65334} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:48:18 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:47:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 15:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 833+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Incorrect error msg in AFS'd EZ In-Reply-To: References: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> \begindata{text,269944032} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-Mar-91 Re: Incorrect error msg in .. Craig F. Everhart (863+1)} \quotation{It's not clear whether that stat() is overwriting errno with a value that gets translated as ``network is down'' (ENETDOWN?), or just where that value is coming from. } On my rt_r3 I visited a very large file in EZ and 'Saved As' over and over into one of my AFS partitions until I got the EZ error message "Could not save file: over quota". At the same time AFS spit out an error to my typescript: "afs: failed to store file (over quota)". I then logged into the RS/6000 that has AFS and visited another very large file. When I tried to save that file to the same partition as before, I recieved the EZ error message: "Could not save file: network down". The AFS error spit to typescript reported: "afs: failed to store file (network down)". \enddata{text,269944032} \enddata{text822, 65334} \begindata{text822, 67590} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from bangor.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 08:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bangor.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 08:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.bangor.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.bangor.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 08:33:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1991 08:33:44 -0500 (EST) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 409+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!eyring@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Re: Keyboard focus versus Mouse click focus In-Reply-To: <110406@cc.utah.edu> References: <110406@cc.utah.edu> \begindata{text,270595828} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 13-Mar-91 Keyboard focus versus Mouse.. eyring@decwrl.dec.com (417)} \quotation{The focus goes back to the original window that }\quotation{launched the Andrew application. Mouse clicks work but no keyboard }\quotation{inputs. } This sounds more like a problem with the window manager than with ATK. What window manager is being used? What mechanism does it provide to change the input focus? Fred Hansen\ \enddata{text,270595828} \enddata{text822, 67590} \begindata{text822, 69440} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 91 09:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 91 09:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 15 Mar 91 09:16:36 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA02894; Fri, 15 Mar 91 06:09:06 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Mar 91 19:39:46 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!helios!n025fc@apple.com (Kevin Weller) Organization: Texas A&M University, Computer Science Department Subject: Re: Andrew without Internet? Message-Id: References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I wrote: >> I >> thought I configured the installation accordingly, but it seems that >> some source in the overhead library requires true networking support; >> my compile is currently stuck on overhead/util/lib/getaddr.c since my >> machine HAS NO INTERNET ADDRESS to get. In article gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim) writes: > Can you send the build errors? If you have the proper include files > this module should compile regardless of you network situation. Please > report which of the include file in that module are actually on your > system. > > Gary Keim > ATK Group I have , which defines the sockaddr and sockaddr_un data structures, plus a few manifest constants. I do NOT have any or header files, which several of the sources in overhead/util/lib need for other structures and constants, such as sockaddr_in, ifreq, SIOCGIFCONF, SOCK_DGRAM, etc. I am also missing and files (makedepend looks for them), which I have always thought were available on only a few platforms; there is no conditional compilation about them, though. Here's a transcript of compile messages for getaddr.c: gcc -DNOSTDHDRS /lib/386/Slibgnu.a /lib/386/Slibsocket.a /lib/386/Slibd\ ir.a /lib/386/Slibmalloc.a /lib/386/Slibx.a /usr/lib/libX11.a /u/users/kevin/li\ b/c/klw.a -c -I. -O -I/usr/local/lib/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/lib/andre\ w/include -I//usr/local/lib/gcc-include -I//usr/include getaddr.c getaddr.c: In function getaddr: getaddr.c:27: storage size of `ifc' isn't known getaddr.c:28: storage size of `ifs' isn't known getaddr.c:31: `SOCK_DGRAM' undeclared (first use this function) getaddr.c:31: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once getaddr.c:31: for each function it appears in.) getaddr.c:34: `ifc' undeclared (first use this function) getaddr.c:34: `ifs' undeclared (first use this function) getaddr.c:36: `SIOCGIFCONF' undeclared (first use this function) getaddr.c:40: invalid use of undefined type `struct ifreq' getaddr.c:45: invalid use of undefined type `struct sockaddr_in' getaddr.c:46: invalid use of undefined type `struct sockaddr_in' -- Kev -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin L. Weller /-------+--------------------\ internet: n025fc@tamuts.tamu.edu | aTm | GIG 'EM, AGGIES! | CIS: 73327,1447 (but I rarely log on) \-------+--------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ %SYS-E-BADOPSYS, Fatal system error, DEC VMS halting / "And now for something -SYS-I-GETUNIX, Replace with UNIX immediately! / completely different." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Monty Python \enddata{text822, 69440} \begindata{text822, 73663} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 91 10:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 91 10:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com (IINUS1.IBM.COM) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 15 Mar 91 10:03:15 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 9141; Fri, 15 Mar 91 10:03:09 EST Reply-To: "Bob Oesterlin" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 15 Mar 91 09:03:13 CST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 09:03:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from locutus.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 09:03:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from locutus.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 09:03:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.locutus.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.locutus.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 09:03:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <0bsC8Yw91E5zMub74F@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1991 09:03:00 -0600 (CST) From: Bob Oesterlin X-Andrew-Message-Size: 388+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Incorrect error msg in AFS'd EZ In-Reply-To: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <1991Mar12.155505.19995@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> \begindata{text,537795464} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.cmu.info-andrew: 12-Mar-91 Incorrect error msg in AFS'.. Pat Wilson@RCHGATE.rchla (564)} \quotation{Running EZ on an RS6000, one of my users (who was _severely_ over quota }\quotation{at the time) got the following error when he tried to save: }\quotation{ cannot save file: network is down } This may be AFS bug for AIX 3.1. I've seen it too. Maybe they are returning ETIMEDOUT instead of EDQUOT? Bob \enddata{text,537795464} \enddata{text822, 73663} \begindata{text822, 76245} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 91 14:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 15 Mar 91 14:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 15 Mar 91 14:22:39 EST Received: by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.35) id AA09319; Fri, 15 Mar 91 11:23:08 -0800 Received: from scoville.sco.COM by viscous.sco.COM id aa16205; Fri, 15 Mar 91 9:57:36 PST Received: from Messages.7.14.S.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.2.5.maytag.sco.COM.sco.i386 via MS.5.6.scoville.sco_i386; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 17:58:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0bsEgj24YtUe0atX80@sco.COM> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1991 17:58:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Curtis Galloway To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ATK formatted vs. non-formatted mail I'm having a hard time configuring AMS to decide when to strip ATK formatting from mail. Perhaps someone can help me do what I want. I would like AMS to strip formatting from all mail except those addresses I specify in my .AMS_aliases file with $forceformat. I've tried to do this in a couple of ways: first, I have a local validation routine in ams/libs/ms/site.c that returns AMS_GOODNETMAIL for all valid addresses. I thought that would work because I listed all the common domains in my .AMS_aliases file (like "$forceformat @sco.com". Unfortunately it ended up asking me if I wanted to strip or preserve the formatting almost every time. Then I changed the local validation function to return AMS_EXTFORCESTRIP. That caused it to not ask any questions, but I can't force it to send mail with formatting by using the $forceformat keyword. Help! What can I do? Thanks, --Curt \enddata{text822, 76245} \begindata{text822, 78393} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 16 Mar 91 19:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Mar 91 19:00:25 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Mar 91 18:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 16 Mar 91 18:56:51 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 91 18:56:48 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 91 18:59:53 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Sat, 16 Mar 1991 18:59:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4bsf5ou0M2Yt887VQ_@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1991 18:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 905+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: ATK formatted vs. non-formatted mail In-Reply-To: <0bsEgj24YtUe0atX80@sco.COM> References: <0bsEgj24YtUe0atX80@sco.COM> \begindata{text,2627944} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 15-Mar-91 ATK formatted vs. non-forma.. Curtis Galloway@sco.com (891)} \quotation{I would like AMS to strip formatting from all mail except those }\quotation{addresses I specify in my .AMS_aliases file with $forceformat. I've }\quotation{tried to do this in a couple of ways: first, I have a local validation }\quotation{routine in ams/libs/ms/site.c that returns AMS_GOODNETMAIL for all valid }\quotation{addresses. I thought that would work because I listed all the common }\quotation{domains in my .AMS_aliases file (like "$forceformat @sco.com". }\quotation{Unfortunately it ended up asking me if I wanted to strip or preserve the }\quotation{formatting almost every time. } This is embarassing to admit, but... Try "$forceformat @sco.com>" Yes, the trailing ">" is crucial, because the match is done at a layer where the parsed address is not readily available. Ugly, but true. At any rate, I think your first approach was the right one. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text,2627944} \enddata{text822, 78393} \begindata{text822, 81256} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 03:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 03:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Mar 91 03:17:09 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA26659; Sun, 17 Mar 91 00:15:22 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Mar 91 21:50:54 GMT From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: Re: Keyboard focus versus Mouse click focus Message-Id: <6690@auspex.auspex.com> References: <110406@cc.utah.edu>, Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >This sounds more like a problem with the window manager than with ATK. >What window manager is being used? What mechanism does it provide to >change the input focus? He's using Open Windows' "olwm", and the problem is that he probably doesn't have the latest patch level of ATK; i.e., he doesn't have the patch that causes ATK to be ICCCM-compliant and set the Input hint. Turning on the "FocusLenience" resource for "olwm": OpenWindows.FocusLenience: yes made the problem go away. \enddata{text822, 81256} \begindata{text822, 83085} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 12:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Mar 91 12:30:33 EST Received: by lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de (5.61+/IDA-1.2.8/gandalf.2) id AA08887; Sun, 17 Mar 91 18:30:51 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de.pmax_3; Sun, 17 Mar 1991 18:30:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1991 18:30:44 +0100 (MET) From: Juergen Henke X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1302+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ATK on VAXstations \begindata{text,18755992} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Ok, finally ATK works again on our VAXstations. Some things were broken - i think around patch 3 or so... 1. In \typewriter{overhead/class/machdep/dec_vax/globals.spp} you have to change the method for getting the \typewriter{globalcount}. This is done by comparing to labels - something the vax assembler doesn't like (the \typewriter{GNU-as} also !). I simply did a wc of \typewriter{globalrefs._h} and added the 16 from within \typewriter{globals.spp}, and supplied this value and voila ! , it works. (a longish debugger session showed me, that \typewriter{globalcount} was \typewriter{0}, so \typewriter{dofix} would not compare any symbol at all). 2. in \typewriter{overhead/class/machdep/Imakefile} you have to add two additional translations to the one already there (\typewriter{$(TR) ":" " " | $(TR) "(" " " | $(TR) ")" " "}), because Ultrix-VAX does his own things on "\typewriter{nm -go}"... 3. in \typewriter{atk/typescript/tscript.c} add in line 1083 "\typewriter{ || defined(ultrix)} ". This one is for both Ultrix-VAX and Ultrix-RISC ! 4. in \typewriter{atk/console/stats/vax_3/getstats.c} comment out the lines with \typewriter{v_intr, v_syscall and v_swtch}. The one from 1. did not give an error - just a warning... :-( J\^{|}rgen _________________________________________________________________________ Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4571109306::JUH_IPA Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung Eierstrasse 46, D-7000 Stuttgart 1 \enddata{text,18755992} \enddata{text822, 83085} \begindata{text822, 85983} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1342;andrew.cmu.edu;Mark Sherman Received: from mss.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 1991 16:18:32 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from mss.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 1991 16:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mss.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.mss.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Sun, 17 Mar 1991 16:16:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1991 16:16:08 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sherman X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1064+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!pollux.usc.edu!jnoll@decwrl.dec.com (John Noll), jnoll@usc.edu Subject: Re: query - Andrew hypertext paper CC: Info-Andrew , Susan Straub , Fred Hansen , "Michael J. McInerny" , Tom Neuendorffer \begindata{text,270212032} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The paper is almost on-line. ECHT90 requested that we submit electronic versions of the document for them to process (they are trying to including all of the ECHT90 papers in the ACM "Hypertext on Hypertext" publication), and Mike McInerny has a directory with the final paper in it. Unfortunately, that copy is in several files, some of which are LaTeX and some are PostScript. I supposed we could tar those files together, compress them, uuencode them and send them out. At one point, I thought we also had a copy of the whole article in PostScript, though I don't see that in Mike's directory. I'll leave it to Mike to decide if he can send something to you with whatever he saved. If he can, then I will also let him discuss with Tom putting that file on-line whereever we keep ftp-able documents. I assume that if any of this happens, the list will be informed appropriately. However, hardcopy of this paper (as well as other ATK papers) is available by sending mail to info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu. Just remember to include a postal address! -Mark \enddata{text,270212032} \enddata{text822, 85983} \begindata{text822, 88513} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 17:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 17:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeta.saintjoe.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Mar 91 17:37:45 EST Received: by zeta.saintjoe.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA02574; Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:37:00 CST Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeta.saintjoe.edu.sun3.4 via MS.5.6.zeta.saintjoe.edu.sun3_4; Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:36:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <0bsyy_m3LE01I875kM@zeta.saintjoe.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:36:58 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Capouch To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: (Probably) Dumb Question I wonder if there's any way to have Andrew, when it is excerpting a mail message into a message-composition window, to put the little greater-than signs at the left of each line? I send a lot of mail to non-Andrew sites, and it seems there should be some easy way to do this. Thanks a lot for any help anyone might be able to offer. Brian Capouch Saint Joseph's College brianc@saintjoe.edu \enddata{text822, 88513} \begindata{text822, 90097} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:03:14 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA10645; Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:00:44 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Mar 91 12:45:40 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!charon!guido@uunet.uu.net (Guido van Rossum) Subject: built andrew -- what next? Message-Id: <3143@charon.cwi.nl> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I built andrew (patchlevel 9) on a Sun4 with color screen running SunOS 4.1 with X11R4 (recent patchlevel I assume). There is no configuration choice for this platform so I pretend it is 4.0 and complilation looks like it works smoothly. Then, several problems crop up. - "help" isn't built by default. When I build it manually it dumps core. Is there any other way to get at the documentation, so I know where to start? - The top-level README file doesn't tell me what to try first. I can call "ez" on a textfile but it looks pretty boring. - The default font used by "ez" appears to be "andyoffice12", which has funny icons instead of some upper case letters. What do I do to fix this? - The menus are weird. Is it really intentional that when I move to the center of a menu, the menu lying below and to the right of it pops up as soon as I am above it (but also still above the one on top of it)? I'd expect underlying menus to pop up only when I move outside the upper menu. - "ez" seems to dump core now and then (haven't dared to go in with the debugger yet). - I would really like to run it on a SGI IRIS 4D/25 running IRIX 3.3.2. Anybody got configuration files for that platform? Anybody got clues? Is it worthwile to keep trying to use Andrew, or should I give it up? Are the originators still developing this version? --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam "A thing of beauty is a joy till sunrise" \enddata{text822, 90097} \begindata{text822, 92761} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from uunet.uu.net by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:33:02 EST Received: from chillon.uicc.com by uunet.uu.net with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA10629; Sun, 17 Mar 91 19:32:59 -0500 Received: by chillon.uicc.com id AA15954 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:46:01 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.chillon.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.chillon.pmax_3; Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:45:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 91 16:45:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Putsch To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Howdy, Like Juergen..... Excerpts from info-andrew: 14-Mar-91 unaligned access on DECstation Juergen Henke@qt.ipa.fhg (1298) > Finally i built ATK,PL9 on our DECstations (DECstation 5000/PX, Ultrix > V4.1). Beside the few things you already had to fix in Patchlevel 7, all > went fine - but if i USE now anything from the ATK, i get myriads of > error messages. > [...] > Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x10f7134 > Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x113786c > Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x11378a0 > [...] I've hit the same problem. I'm building on DECstation 3100s running Utrix V4.1. I don't have gdb, so I can't debug this thing. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jeff. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Putsch Unitrode Integrated Circuits Corporation 603-429-8626 Internet: putsch@uicc.com UUCP : uunet!chillon!putsch \enddata{text822, 92761} \begindata{text822, 95114} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:27:23 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:24:25 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:24:14 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:27:20 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 09:27:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 09:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1040+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: (Probably) Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <0bsyy_m3LE01I875kM@zeta.saintjoe.edu> References: <0bsyy_m3LE01I875kM@zeta.saintjoe.edu> \begindata{text,2452416} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 17-Mar-91 (Probably) Dumb Question Brian Capouch@zeta.saint (396)} \quotation{I wonder if there's any way to have Andrew, when it is excerpting a mail }\quotation{message into a message-composition window, to put the little }\quotation{greater-than signs at the left of each line? } \quotation{I send a lot of mail to non-Andrew sites, and it seems there should be }\quotation{some easy way to do this. } Yes, in fact, it is so easy that it is -- ta-ta -- automatic! If you use the "Excerpt Body" feature, which I assume is what you're talking about, the excerpt appears to YOU to be indented and in italics. however, if you're sending it to a non-Andrew user, and you choose "send without formatting", this style will get replaced by one that does, in fact, use the leading ">" at the beginning of the line. You can see what this looks like, from the sending window, with the "Preview Non Andrew" menu (from the "Other" menu card), choosing "formatting removed" from the dialog box that will appear when you select that menu. Hope that helps. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text,2452416} \enddata{text822, 95114} \begindata{text822, 98082} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:42:23 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:39:39 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for nsb@flash; Mon, 18 Mar 91 09:42:45 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 09:42:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 09:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Cc: nsb@flash.bellcore.com To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Demonstration Re: (Probably) Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <0bsyy_m3LE01I875kM@zeta.saintjoe.edu> References: <0bsyy_m3LE01I875kM@zeta.saintjoe.edu> What follows is the same as my last mail, except that I'm telling it to strip the formatting, so it should demonstrate my point. -- NB Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 17-Mar-91 (Probably) Dumb Question Brian Capouch@zeta.saint (396) > I wonder if there's any way to have Andrew, when it is excerpting a mail > message into a message-composition window, to put the little > greater-than signs at the left of each line? > I send a lot of mail to non-Andrew sites, and it seems there should be > some easy way to do this. Yes, in fact, it is so easy that it is -- ta-ta -- automatic! If you use the "Excerpt Body" feature, which I assume is what you're talking about, the excerpt appears to YOU to be indented and in italics. however, if you're sending it to a non-Andrew user, and you choose "send without formatting", this style will get replaced by one that does, in fact, use the leading ">" at the beginning of the line. You can see what this looks like, from the sending window, with the "Preview Non Andrew" menu (from the "Other" menu card), choosing "formatting removed" from the dialog box that will appear when you select that menu. Hope that helps. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 98082} \begindata{text822, 100789} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 11:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 11:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Mar 91 11:37:48 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA28253; Mon, 18 Mar 91 08:33:34 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Mar 91 11:08:09 GMT From: mcsun!inesc!ninfa!werner@uunet.uu.net (Werner Hans Peter Vogels) Organization: INESC Subject: Papers on AFS Message-Id: <1991Mar18.110809@ninfa.inesc.pt> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I need some pointers to papers or documentation on the features and organisation of the most recent version of the Andrew FileSystem. I would be very much helped if anyone could mail me some articles name or a place for anonymous ftp where I could get some docs. Werner Vogels Distributed Systems Group INESC - Instituto de Engenharia de Sistemas e Computadores Rua Alves Redol, 9-6o - 1000 Lisboa - Portugal Tel: +351 1 545150 ext 280, Fax: +351 1 525843, e-mail: werner@inesc.inesc.pt \enddata{text822, 100789} \begindata{text822, 102538} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 12:35:00 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 12:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 12:32:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 12:32:21 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1840+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , guido@cwi.nl (Guido van Rossum) Subject: Re: built andrew -- what next? In-Reply-To: <3143@charon.cwi.nl> References: <3143@charon.cwi.nl> \begindata{text,19104612} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 14-Mar-91 built andrew -- what next? Guido van Rossum@uunet.u (1438)} \quotation{- "help" isn't built by default. When I build it manually it dumps core. }\quotation{Is there any other way to get at the documentation, so I know where to }\quotation{start? } You need to add a line to your \{andrew\}/config/site.mcr or \{andrew\}/config/site.h file that looks like #define MK_HELP 1 to get this to be built automatically. There's an \{andrew\}/atk/help/doc/Maint.doc that gives some clues for how to build it. Nonetheless, it shouldn't be pointlessly dumping core. \quotation{- The top-level README file doesn't tell me what to try first. }\quotation{I can call "ez" on a textfile but it looks pretty boring. } Were you able to run Messages and look at the demo folder that the \{andrew\}/ams/demo installation created? That demo contains some interesting-looking insets. If you can get ez working but not Messages, you can run ez on the numeric-named files in the \{andrew\}ms/demo source area. \quotation{- The default font used by "ez" appears to be "andyoffice12", which }\quotation{has funny icons instead of some upper case letters. What do I do to }\quotation{fix this? } I could be wrong, but I thought that the default font was andy10 or andysans10. In any case, you should be able to put the line *.bodyfont: andy12 into your $HOME/preferences, $HOME/.preferences, or $HOME/.Xdefaults file and get it to use andy12 as a default font, which should work better. \quotation{- The menus are weird. Is it really intentional that }\quotation{when I move to the center of a menu, the menu lying below and to the }\quotation{right of it pops up as soon as I am above it (but also still above the }\quotation{one on top of it)? I'd expect underlying menus to pop up only when I }\quotation{move outside the upper menu. } Yes, this is intentional (sigh). There are preference settings to control this behavior, but I forget what they are for now. Craig \enddata{text,19104612} \enddata{text822, 102538} \begindata{text822, 106020} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 14:19:27 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2027+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: built andrew -- what next? In-Reply-To: <3143@charon.cwi.nl> References: <3143@charon.cwi.nl> \begindata{text,269902288} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-Mar-91 built andrew -- what next? Guido van Rossum@uunet.u (1438)} \quotation{I built andrew (patchlevel 9) on a Sun4 with color screen running }\quotation{SunOS 4.1 with X11R4 (recent patchlevel I assume). } There are problems with the current distribution on SunOS4.1 systems. The next patch should make things much nicer on those machines. I don't have any information on when the next patch might come down. Until then, we can research several possibilities. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-Mar-91 built andrew -- what next? Guido van Rossum@uunet.u (1438)} \quotation{There is no }\quotation{configuration choice for this platform so I pretend it is 4.0 and }\quotation{complilation looks like it works smoothly. } Can you send your site files (andrew/config/site.\{h,mcr\}). There's this thing called the resolver ... \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: } \quotation{- "help" isn't built by default. When I build it manually it dumps core. }\quotation{Is there any other way to get at the documentation, so I know where to }\quotation{start? } The help sources should be built by default. I have a sneaky suspicion that the build failed a few times and you didn't successfully finish the procedure. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: } \quotation{- The top-level README file doesn't tell me what to try first. }\quotation{I can call "ez" on a textfile but it looks pretty boring. } Granted. It would be better if you brought up the \bold{help} program and read the andrew tour. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: } \quotation{- The default font used by "ez" appears to be "andyoffice12", which }\quotation{has funny icons instead of some upper case letters. What do I do to }\quotation{fix this? } Once again this results from not completing the build process. You can fix this by running \bold{mkfontdir /usr/andrew/X11fonts.} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: } \quotation{Anybody got clues? Is it worthwile to keep trying to use Andrew, or }\quotation{should I give it up? Are the originators still developing this version? } See above regarding clues. There are some dusty old guys in the back room ... claim they're building a better text editor. Seriously, there are some nice changes coming in the next patch. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,269902288} \enddata{text822, 106020} \begindata{text822, 109669} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 15:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 15:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.uvm.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Mar 91 15:16:28 EST Received: by UVM.EDU (5.65a/1.23) id AA10983; Mon, 18 Mar 91 15:16:18 -0500 Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4_40; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 15:16:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0btG0Fm4lU4LIeskUY@sadye.uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 15:16:17 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Dist List) Subject: WP and AMS_DELIVERY Cc: When I turn off AMS_DELIVERY_ENV (and RUN_AMDS_ENV, which was only an experiment anyway), it seems to turn off WP-based name validation. Now this was one of my biggest selling points for AMS, and I would hope that it would work regardless. Is the solution to turn AMS_DELIVERY_ENV back on, but leave RUN_AMDS_ENV off? -GAWollman -- \enddata{text822, 109669} \begindata{text822, 111198} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 16:44:04 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 16:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 125+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: WP and AMS_DELIVERY In-Reply-To: <0btG0Fm4lU4LIeskUY@sadye.uvm.edu> References: <0btG0Fm4lU4LIeskUY@sadye.uvm.edu> \begindata{text,19104612} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Yes, if you want AMS to use WP at all, you need AMS_DELIVERY_ENV. You'd be safe in leaving RUN_AMDS_ENV undefined. Craig \enddata{text,19104612} \enddata{text822, 111198} \begindata{text822, 112788} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 17:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 91 17:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 18 Mar 91 17:38:43 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA10925; Mon, 18 Mar 91 14:27:45 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Mar 91 17:13:39 GMT From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!chx400!sicsun!sic!brossard@uunet.uu.net (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII) Subject: Problem with sunos 4.1 Message-Id: <1196@sicsun.epfl.ch> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm trying to compile andrew on sunos 4.1 and I'm having lots of problems. The latest being: make DESTDIR=/sic/install_andrew/sun4-4.1 install rm -f dofix cc -O4 -I/sic/install_andrew/sun4-4.1/include/atk -I/sic/install_andrew/sun4-4.1/include -I/sic/X11/include/X11 -o dofix ../machdep/machine/dofix.o ../lib/libclass.a /usr/lib/libresolv.a ld: Undefined symbol _gethostent *** Error code 2 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dofix' Current working directory /net/sasun1/sic/install_X11/X.V11R4/sun4-4.1/contrib/toolkits/andrew/overhead/class/cmd *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall' Current working directory /net/sasun1/sic/install_X11/X.V11R4/sun4-4.1/contrib/toolkits/andrew/overhead/class/cmd I have traced this to the fact that we are using the DNS routines instead of /etc/hosts. We remade our libc to use the DNS directly, so we don't have gethostent in our libc. In fact since /etc/hosts will never be up to date anymore, we don't want any software using gethostent. Having said this, the problem, from andrew's point of view is deeper. I have no idea what piece of Andrew uses gethostent, the reference is hardwired in by the file overhead/class/machdep/sun_sparc/globalrefs._h: globalref(_gethostent) and at the same time it is explicitely removed from the libc created by the Imakefile: -ar d libcx.a `cat DelList._` with DelList._ being: staff%sasun1[148]$ grep host DelList._ gethostent.o So why is it hardwired in by globalrefs._h in ../machdep/machine/dofix.o? Am I the only one who uses DNS with andrew (at least trying to!)? Alain Brossard \enddata{text822, 112788} \begindata{text822, 115704} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 19:17:54 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 19:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 18 Mar 1991 19:16:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4btJVpm00VsW473aA8@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1991 19:16:53 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 402+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Problem with sunos 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1196@sicsun.epfl.ch> References: <1196@sicsun.epfl.ch> \begindata{text,269902288} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Mar-91 Problem with sunos 4.1 SII@uunet.uu.net (1661)} \quotation{ld: Undefined symbol }\quotation{ _gethostent } Can you send me these files: \indent{andrew/overhead/class/machdep/sun_sparc/\{Imakefile, getlist.awk\}. } Are you using AFS? There are known problems with the distribution as of patch.009 on SunOS4.1 machines. As of the next patch, life will be better on that platform. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,269902288} \enddata{text822, 115704} \begindata{text822, 117434} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Mar 91 12:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Mar 91 12:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 19 Mar 91 12:38:08 EST Received: from fanaraaken.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.16.19]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16337>; Tue, 19 Mar 1991 09:33:51 PST Received: by fanaraaken.parc.xerox.com id <28217>; Tue, 19 Mar 1991 09:33:33 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fanaraaken.parc.xerox.com.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.fanaraaken.parc.xerox.com.sun4_40; Tue, 19 Mar 1991 09:33:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1991 09:33:27 PST Sender: Per-Kristian Halvorsen From: Per-Kristian Halvorsen To: Info-Andrew Subject: Searching across message folders in AMS Is there a utility which makes it simpler to search across message folders for header information or text in the body of messages? Thanks, Per-Kristian \enddata{text822, 117434} \begindata{text822, 119019} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 19 Mar 91 19:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 19 Mar 91 19:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from vma.cc.cmu.edu by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 19 Mar 91 19:42:25 EST Received: from VMA.CC.CMU.EDU by vma.cc.cmu.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2162; Tue, 19 Mar 91 19:40:47 EST Received: from TWNMOE10.edu.tw by VMA.CC.CMU.EDU (Mailer R2.04) with BSMTP id 2161; Tue, 19 Mar 91 19:40:43 EST X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. Received: from twnitri1.bitnet (MAILER) by TWNMOE10.edu.tw (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9007; Wed, 20 Mar 91 08:42:07 EST Received: from x1sun2.itri.org.tw. by ersob.itri.org.tw with INTERNET ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 08:35:09 CST Received: by x1sun2.itri.org.tw. (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA25134; Wed, 20 Mar 91 08:34:19 CST Message-Id: <9103200034.AA25134@x1sun2.itri.org.tw.> To: halvorse%parc.xerox.com%x1sun2.itri.org.tw%TWNITRI1.BITNET@vma.cc.cmu.edu Cc: info-andrew+%andrew.cmu.edu%x1sun2.itri.org.tw%TWNITRI1.BITNET@vma.cc.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Searching across message folders in AMS In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Mar 91 09:33:27 PST. Date: Wed, 20 Mar 91 08:34:18 U From: wksung%x1sun2.itri.org.tw@vma.cc.cmu.edu >> Is there a utility which makes it simpler to search across message >> folders for header information or text in the body of messages? You can try "Mark" but you need to use "Set Option" to expose its menu first. "Mark"'s menu doesn't appear in default. -Sung \enddata{text822, 119019} \begindata{text822, 121080} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 10:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 10:07:58 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 10:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 20 Mar 91 10:04:03 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 20 Mar 91 10:03:57 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 20 Mar 91 10:06:59 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 10:06:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1991 10:06:54 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 852+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Searching across message folders in AMS In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,3047856} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Mar-91 Searching across message fo.. P. Halvorsen@parc.xerox. (154)} \quotation{Is there a utility which makes it simpler to search across message} \quotation{folders for header information or text in the body of messages? } A special utility -- No. A general utility -- Yes, sort of. It is called "grep". To use it to search for caption information, e.g. for the word "foobar" in the caption of all messages in folder "foo": cd ~/.MESSAGES/foo strings .MS_MsgDir | grep foobar You could write a simple shell script to do this in all your folders, possibly using find. Similarly, to search through all the bodies in a folder: cd ~/.MESSAGES/foo grep foobar * And, again, a shell script or "find" command could do this across folders. I know that's not what you were hoping for, but reality isn't always pretty.... -- Nathaniel \enddata{text,3047856} \enddata{text822, 121080} \begindata{text822, 123878} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 10706;andrew.cmu.edu;Michael J. McInerny Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 12:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 12:06:39 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 12:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from duquesne.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 12:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from duquesne.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 12:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.duquesne.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r4 via MS.5.6.duquesne.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r4; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 12:03:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1991 12:03:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael J. McInerny" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 325+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 Vote-Choices: "Sadly, yes.", "Joyfully, no.", "No, 'cuz we have a better solution.", * Vote-To: "Michael J. McInerny" Vote-Request: duquesne.andrew.cmu.edu.166.0, Did grep come to mind? To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Searching across message folders in AMS In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,270248088} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Mar-91 Searching across message fo.. P. Halvorsen@parc.xerox. (153)} \quotation{Is there a utility which makes it simpler to search across message }\quotation{folders for header information or text in the body of messages? } How many of you read this and thought "Use 'grep'. Ugh."? -Michael McInerny, ITC \enddata{text,270248088} \enddata{text822, 123878} \begindata{text822, 126326} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from commander.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 13:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.commander.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.commander.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 13:02:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1991 13:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1651+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: andrew on rs/6000 In-Reply-To: <9103201229.AA20215@oscar.tn.cornell.edu> References: <9103201229.AA20215@oscar.tn.cornell.edu> \begindata{text,538785672} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 20-Mar-91 andrew on rs/6000 grossman@oscar.tn.cornel (884)} \quotation{Thanks, sorry for the foolish questions.... } Nonsense. If you're baffled, then join the club. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 20-Mar-91 andrew on rs/6000 grossman@oscar.tn.cornel (884)} \quotation{Following instructions in README, system.mcr, site.mcr }\quotation{don't seem to get picked up. } There are only two file that you may want to change before building Andrew. Those files are andrew/config/site.\{h,mcr\}. Site.h is used to create the andrewos.h header file. Site.mcr specifies information (make macros) that will be contained in the Makefiles. In site.h you would use ccp directives to specify different types of information that affect, for example, what pieces of the distribution will get built as well as other meta information. In site.mcr you can define macros that will be included in the Makefiles. For example, there is a known make macro called CDEBUGFLAGS. You could have a line that read: CDEBUGFLAGS = -g I would suggest that you re-read the toplevel README file. There are sections describing exactly what you can do in the site files (search for "site.h" and "site.mcr"). It may be helpful if you would send your site files along so we can see what you're trying to do that is failing. If you want to see the site files we use to build on our RS/6000, they are located in AFS as /afs/andrew/itc/rs_aix31/obj/projects/andrew/config/site.\{h,mcr\}. Are you using the proper version of imake? You should use the version that is located in /usr/lpp/X11/Xamples/util/imake. Built that version of imake and install it into /usr/local/bin. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,538785672} \enddata{text822, 126326} \begindata{text822, 129387} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 16:37:23 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 16:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1991 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 701+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew without Internet? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,269949464} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-Mar-91 Re: Andrew without Internet? Kevin Weller@apple.com (2861)} \quotation{I do NOT have any }\quotation{or header files, which several of the sources in }\quotation{overhead/util/lib need for other structures and constants, such as }\quotation{sockaddr_in, ifreq, SIOCGIFCONF, SOCK_DGRAM, etc. I am also missing }\quotation{ and files (makedepend looks for them), }\quotation{which I have always thought were available on only a few platforms; } What is the politically correct set of header files? I'm of the opinion that UNIX machines should have network support regardless of whether or not they are actually hooked up to a wire. Opinions? On what machine type are you trying to build Andrew? \enddata{text,269949464} \enddata{text822, 129387} \begindata{text822, 131532} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 110;ctp.se.ibm.com;Christer Bernerus Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 21 Mar 1991 15:25:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 21 Mar 1991 15:22:37 +0100 (MET) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se via qmail ID ; Thu, 21 Mar 1991 15:14:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se.rt_r3; Thu, 21 Mar 1991 15:14:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1991 15:14:43 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 606+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: AMDS: startmailsystem ? \begindata{text,271284900} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} I'm finally getting AMDS running, it has been a tough time... This is only one of the things which have made me confused: When installing AMDS, the script \italic{startmailsystem} is built and installed is /usr/andrew/etc. This script isn't run by anything at startup. Am I supposed to hack this in into /etc/rc* and which user is supposed to run startmailsystem ? Chris. \smaller{---------------------------------------------------- Christer Bernerus \italic{(SM6FBQ)} ! E-mail: bernerus@\{cs,utc\}.chalmers.se Chalmers University of Technology ! Phone: +46 31 721000 Department of Computer Science S-412 96 Gothenburg, \bold{SWEDEN }}\enddata{text,271284900} \enddata{text822, 131532} \begindata{text822, 134235} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 10:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 10:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 10:57:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 10:57:11 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 820+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Christer Bernerus Subject: Re: AMDS: startmailsystem ? In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,18744384} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Good questions. I think there's pobbconf documentation that describes several steps that need to be taken. It could be that startmailsystem was forgotten in all that, but I don't know. Anyway, here's the story. \italic{startmailsystem} needs to be run on every workstation from which AMS mail could be sent. Generally, it's run from /etc/rc or /etc/rc.local, as root. In order that it be available to run at startup, we figured it was best to copy it to /etc. For the same reason, it's also wise to copy the queuemail executable to the local disk also; by default, we assume it's in /etc/queuemail. Under AMDS, \italic{startmailsystem} needs to run on both PO machines and user workstations. As I think is documented, the pobbconf-generated rc.local file is to be run as root on PO or BB machines. Any other questions? Craig \enddata{text,18744384} \enddata{text822, 134235} \begindata{text822, 136462} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 14:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 14:10:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 14:10:04 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 6593+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Christer Bernerus Subject: Fwd: Test CC: Info-Andrew References: \begindata{text,18437408} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} As far as I can tell, your test message worked spectacularly! (At least as far as getting to andrew.cmu.edu itself, to the address that posts to the andrew.cmu.edu copy of the distributed messages.) The Received: lines of the mail show it getting enqueued on your workstation utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se, then it looks like it was picked up on your PO machine who.ctp.se.ibm.com by your .Outgoing daemon (since I bet you didn't run startmailsystem on utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se to start the local queuemail daemon there). Here's a surmise-laden analysis of what happened. You wrote the message at 16:54:43 on utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se. It got enqueued in your .Outgoing directory two seconds later. PO machine who.ctp.se.ibm.com picked it up a few minutes later, but couldn't check the info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu address (check for AMDS in andrew.cmu.edu, or read the WP in andrew.cmu.edu, or read the dist list /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/postman/DistLists/info-andrew.dl). The message got shuffled off to the public queues in ctp.se.ibm.com (to q007 at 17:02:24). A subsequent delivery attempt also on who.ctp.se.ibm.com also failed, so the message went into one of the background queues (to sq1 at 17:02:56). A few minutes later, a PO process on ctp.se.ibm.com was able to resolve part of the address (maybe finding out that info-andrew.dl points to two more sub-lists, one for the formatted recipients, and one for the unformatted ones), and enqueued this message in public queue q004 at 17:09:17. A few minutes after that, a PO process on who.ctp.se.ibm.com didn't finish a delivery attempt, so shuffled it to background queue sq2 at 17:11:42. After another few minutes, a PO process on ctp.se.ibm.com did another part of the delivery process, and it was able to expand the info-andrew-nostrip.dl dist list (causing the ``If-Type-Unsupported: send'' header to be added, and expanding the list to name its recipients). It enqueued that message in public queue q003 at 17:27:32. After yet another few minutes, a PO process on who.ctp.se.ibm.com put the incompletely-delivered addressees of the message into a request in background queue sq2 at 17:30:54. And a few minutes after that, a PO process on who.ctp.se.ibm.com did cross-cell mail dropoff into the public mail queues in cell andrew.cmu.edu, queue q001, at 17:43:14. (All times so far are Sweden-local, MET, 1 hour ahead of UTC.) A few seconds after that, a PO process on andrew.cmu.edu picked up the request from q001 (11:43:54 EST == 16:43:54 UTC == 17:43:54 MET), and delivered it as a file in the local ~listbb/Mailbox directory. (It added the ``X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 32766'' header to say that the mail was unauthenticated.) The outermost Received: line tracks the expansion of the mail addresses, how this message was addressed to info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, which forwarded to a dist list /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl, which forwarded to listbb+info-andrew (local to andrew.cmu.edu). Some time afterward, a CUI daemon running at Andrew picked up the file and added it to Andrew's ``internet.info-andrew'' folder, which I can then read (from Transarc) as the directory /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/netbb/.MESSAGES/internet/info-andrew. In the process, CUI added the ``X-Added'' and ``X-Andrew-WideReply'' headers. Now, your message doesn't itself say where the expansion of the ``info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu'' dist list happened, but at least some of it must have occurred on the PO machines for ctp.se.ibm.com, given that the message was moved from the background queues in your cell to the public queues there, twice. In addition, the ``If-Type-Unsupported: send'' header got added (via info-andrew-nostrip.dl) in the middle of the Received: lines that were added in Sweden. Of course, now you'll start telling me about all the \italic{other} things that went wrong... Craig ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- \smaller{\smaller{X-Andrew-WideReply: internet.info-andrew X-Added: With Flames (listbb v2.2) Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 32766 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->listbb+info-andrew) ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 91 11:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:43:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:30:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:27:32 +0100 (MET) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:11:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:09:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:02:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from who.ctp.se.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 17:02:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:54:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se.rt_r3; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:54:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:54:43 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 390+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Test }} This is a test, please ignore. (The meaning of this test is to explore what happens in AMDS here at my site when I send a message to Info-Andrew) \smaller{---------------------------------------------------- Christer Bernerus \italic{(SM6FBQ)} ! E-mail: bernerus@\{cs,utc\}.chalmers.se Chalmers University of Technology ! Phone: +46 31 721000 Department of Computer Science S-412 96 Gothenburg, \bold{SWEDEN }}\enddata{text,18437408} \enddata{text822, 136462} \begindata{text822, 145214} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:53:08 EST Received: from fiji.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:53:05 EST Received: by fiji.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id AA03882; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:53:46 EST Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fiji.sins.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.fiji.sins.sun4_40; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:53:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:53:45 -0500 (EST) From: Ralph Hill X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2552+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ltext improvements Cc: Nathaniel Borenstein \begindata{text,2698736} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Ltext mode knows about and formats some ``functions'' in a special way. For example \example{(defun foo () (body-of-foo)) } vs. \example{(foo-bar foo () body-of-foo)) } For certain special forms, it knows that there are some parameters that are indented in one way, and others that are indented in another way. For defuns, there are two special parameters. This is fine, until you get CLOS, and try this: \example{(defmethod foo (..) (body-of-foo)) } You march to the right very fast. You would like to tell ltext that defmethod is like defun. Unfortunately, as distributed, the table is coded in. Here is a patch that defaults to the old behavior, but will read the table from your preferences. Here is a diff... ltext.c is in atk/contrib/ltext diff *ltext.c originals/*ltext.c 15d14 < #include 769,770c768,775 < int indent; < char *t, *t2, *s = environ_GetProfile("ltextindents"); --- > addindent("defun", 2); > addindent("defmacro", 2); > addindent("defconstant", 1); > addindent("defstruct", 1); > addindent("let", 1); > addindent("let*", 1); > addindent("do", 2); > addindent("if", 1); 772,781d776 < if (!s) s = "defun:2,defmacro:2,defconstant:1,defstruct:1,let:1,let*:1,do:2,if:1"; < while (t = s) \{ < s = index(t, ','); < if (s) *s++ = NULL; < t2=index(t, ':'); < if (t2) *t2++=NULL; < indent = t2 ? atoi(t2) : 1; < addindent(t, indent); < \} < You want to add a line like this to your preferences file: *.ltextindents:defun:2,defmacro:2,defconstant:1,defstruct:1,let:1,let*:1,do:2,i\ f:1 This will give you the default behavior. You give the name of the ``function'', a colon, and the number of special parameters. Commas are used as separators. The number of special parameters defaults to 1. In general, aiming low on the number is a lot better than aiming high. Case is ignored for the names. This is what I use right now (I am not finished tuning): *.ltextindents:defun:2,defmacro:2,defconstant:1,defstruct:1,let:1,let*:1,do:2,i\ f:1,defclass:2,defmethod:2,dolist:1,progn:0,when:1,unless:1,loop:1 I use Common Lisp with CLOS. We are using: ez (Version 7.0, ATK 15.1) ralph hill P.S. If you are having tab problems with ltext's (or ctext's?) pretty printing, try this in your .ezinit: addfiletype .cl ltext "ltext-use-tabs=0" addfiletype .eli ltext "ltext-use-tabs=0" addfiletype .c ctext "ctext-use-tabs=0" help ltext says to do this, but who reads documentation? Not me! I suffered for months. \enddata{text,2698736} \enddata{text822, 145214} \begindata{text822, 149398} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 91 17:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:58:10 EST Received: from fiji.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:58:06 EST Received: by fiji.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id AA03888; Fri, 22 Mar 91 16:58:47 EST Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fiji.sins.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.fiji.sins.sun4_40; Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:58:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 16:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: Ralph Hill To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Page breaks in ctext or ltext? Anyone know how to get a page break into c or lisp source code in ctext or ltext? I want to force some major functions to start at the top of a page when I print them. Inserting a page break works, until you write the file out and read it back. Any ideas? How about ideas on how to sort a table of contents alphabetically? (Table of contents for ltext and ctext is a list of functions.) How about how to get a lable (other than table of contents) at the top of the table of contents hardcopy? Thanks muchly ralph \enddata{text822, 149398} \begindata{text822, 151254} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 23 Mar 1991 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 23 Mar 91 11:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.0.1.815.EzMail.1.1.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3.35 via MS.5.6.fishtank.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3_35; Sat, 23 Mar 91 11:55:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 91 11:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 432+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Page breaks in ctext or ltext? Cc: In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text, 1837103671} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Re: page breaks in ctext There is currently underway some work on that specific idea - as well as some other things too. As i am not directly involved with this work, I cannot really give you any more details (I don't know them :-), nor any ETA - but it is indeed being worked on. Re: sorted table of [ctext] contents No work that I know of yet - though I wouldn't rule out the possibility now that it's been suggested. --fish \enddata{text, 1837103671} \enddata{text822, 151254} \begindata{text822, 153020} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.uvm.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:05:56 EST Received: by UVM.EDU (5.65a/1.23) id AA01529; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:02:44 -0500 Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4_40; Sat, 23 Mar 1991 21:02:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1991 21:02:43 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Dist List) Subject: Strange WP error Cc: Does anybody have an idea what the following error, from makeboth, is supposed to mean: Error reading one of the password files, user ``'': Error number 0. Makeboth then returns a status of 101. -GAWollman \enddata{text822, 153020} \begindata{text822, 154420} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.uvm.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:06:25 EST Received: by UVM.EDU (5.65a/1.23) id AA01549; Sat, 23 Mar 91 21:05:57 -0500 Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4_40; Sat, 23 Mar 1991 21:05:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1991 21:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Dist List) Subject: makeboth error Cc: Does anybody know what could make makeboth exit with status 101, giving its reason as Error reading one of the password files, user ``'': Error number 0? -GAWollman \enddata{text822, 154420} \begindata{text822, 155779} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:55:13 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA00359; Mon, 25 Mar 91 08:42:23 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 25 Mar 91 16:18:33 GMT From: borg!menges!menges@mcnc.org (John Menges) Subject: Math font in EZ Message-Id: <2565@borg.cs.unc.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm new to ATK, using EZ editing text, and want to add a simple equation in the text of a paragraph (not as a display). If I try to use an eq inset, I'm too restricted as to the placement of the equation. The only other thing I can think of is to use a math font. How do I set up ez to allow me to use a math font, and where can I find a math font to use? I'm told style sheets may be what I want, but I've looked through the documentation I have and can't find any reference to style sheets. Can someone point me in the right direction? \enddata{text822, 155779} \begindata{text822, 157527} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.uvm.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:00:27 EST Received: by UVM.EDU (5.65a/1.23) id AA00360; Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:59:58 -0500 Received: from cui.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.sadye.uvm.edu.sun4_40; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Dist List) Subject: Messages crashes Sun4_41 (again!) Cc: Last time I talked about this, we put it off to a difference in library versions. Unfortunately, it's happened again. Imagine all the following prefixed by "Mar 25 12:11:20 sadye vmunix:" BAD TRAP pid 3198, `runapp': Data fault kernel read fault at addr=0xf8422fb4, pme=0x0 Bus Error Reg 80 pc=0xf80bb244, sp=0xf8422fb4, psr=0x901ac2, [off the end of the paper] g1-g7: ff1070, f8125000, 901ae3, 0, f8429000, [. . .] Begin traceback... sp = f841cb10 Called from f80bafe4, fp=f8428e98, args=f819f644 [. . .] End traceback... panic: Data fault syncing file systems... BAD TRAP pid 3918, `runapp': Data fault [more of the same, with a longer traceback] Ok, folks... a lot of people depend on this machine, so what can I do to eliminate this problem? Unfortunately, waiting is not an option I have, since the disk space used by the sources will soon be occupied by something else. Will the new SunOS 4.1 support help? If so, where can I get it? -GAWollman \enddata{text822, 157527} \begindata{text822, 159707} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 2368;andrew.cmu.edu;Douglas F. DeJulio Received: from terminus.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:06:52 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from terminus.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.8.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.terminus.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.terminus.mercury.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:58:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8bvXcsW00VI8IF=FIP@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:58:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 862+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Math font in EZ In-Reply-To: <2565@borg.cs.unc.edu> References: <2565@borg.cs.unc.edu> \begindata{text,1779488} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Well, when I want to use equations in text, I take advantage of the fact that ATK uses troff to print. You can use eqn formatting commands, and set them up as FormatNote regions, so they'll be passed through to the processors used for printing. An example would be the following: \formatnote{.EQ delim $$ .EN }This is a test. The following should be thes integral from zero to infinity of f(x): \formatnote{$int sub 0 sup inf f(x) ~ dx$}. It doesn't look nice but it should print reasonably. For those who can't examine it more closely, the first three lines (.EQ through .EN) are in FormatNote, and the region starting and ending with $ are also in FormatNote. Of course, part of what makes this acceptable to me is that I don't need WYSIWYG. Note, however, that this previews properly. -- Doug DeJulio dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu (AMS/ATK mail) ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (NeXT mail) \enddata{text,1779488} \enddata{text822, 159707} \begindata{text822, 161902} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:26:41 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:24:42 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:24:40 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.12/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 25 Mar 91 13:27:50 est Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.greenbush.mouseclub.sun4_40; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 13:27:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4bvY4Wq0M2YtM7A6c2@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 13:27:46 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 680+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Math font in EZ In-Reply-To: <8bvXcsW00VI8IF=FIP@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <2565@borg.cs.unc.edu>, <8bvXcsW00VI8IF=FIP@andrew.cmu.edu> \begindata{text,2113104} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 25-Mar-91 Re: Math font in EZ "Douglas F. DeJulio"@and (862+0)} \quotation{For those who can't examine it more closely, the first three lines (.EQ through .EN) are in FormatNote, and the region starting and ending with $ are also in FormatNote. Of course, part of what makes this acceptable to me is that I don't need WYSIWYG. Note, however, that this previews properly. } For the record, when I tried previewing your message this way, the in-line equation looked beautiful. However, the above paragraph got REALLY screwed up starting at the dollar sign. Presumably you need to escape (how?) any use of your delimiter once the delimiter is defined... \enddata{text,2113104} \enddata{text822, 161902} \begindata{text822, 164484} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from uunet.UU.NET by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:24:18 EST Received: from chillon.uicc.com by uunet.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA22744; Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:24:11 -0500 Received: by chillon.uicc.com id AA02967 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:22:46 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.chillon.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.chillon.pmax_3; Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:22:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Putsch To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Unaligned access on DECstation Howdy, Like Juergen: Excerpts from info-andrew: 14-Mar-91 unaligned access on DECstation Juergen Henke@qt.ipa.fhg (1298) > Finally i built ATK,PL9 on our DECstations (DECstation 5000/PX, Ultrix > V4.1). Beside the few things you already had to fix in Patchlevel 7, all > went fine - but if i USE now anything from the ATK, i get myriads of > error messages. > [...] > Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x10f7134 > Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x113786c > Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 565 (runapp) at pc 0x11378a0 > [...] I don't have gdb, so I can't debug ATK and track the problem. Does anyone know what needs fixing? Thanks, in advance, for the help. Jeff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Putsch | Internet: putsch@uicc.com Unitrode Integrated Circuits Corp. | UUCP : uunet!chillon!putsch Merrimack, NH USA | | Voice : (US) 603-429-8626 (daytime) \enddata{text822, 164484} \begindata{text822, 166871} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:41:55 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:37:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 736+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Messages crashes Sun4_41 (again!) In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,269936936} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 25-Mar-91 Messages crashes Sun4_41 (a.. Garrett Wollman@griffin. (968)} \quotation{Ok, folks... a lot of people depend on this machine, so what can I do }\quotation{to eliminate this problem? } I've not heard of this sort of problem being reported by any other users. Hardware problem? If anybody else has experienced an ATK application apparently causing your machine to kick the bucket, please send some e-mail my way. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 25-Mar-91 Messages crashes Sun4_41 (a.. Garrett Wollman@griffin. (968)} \quotation{Will the new SunOS 4.1 support help? If so, where }\quotation{can I get it? } It may indeed help. I'm in the middle of testing out the new code on a SunOS4.1 machine. If everything seems kosher, maybe you can beta-test for me. -Gary \enddata{text,269936936} \enddata{text822, 166871} \begindata{text822, 169009} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 15:01:31 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:53:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 14:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 894+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Unaligned access on DECstation In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,269936936} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 25-Mar-91 Unaligned access on DECstation Jeff Putsch@chillon.uicc (1064)} \quotation{I don't have gdb, so I can't debug ATK and track the problem. Does }\quotation{anyone know what needs fixing? } There is someone here in Academic Computing who is investigating this error and how to make it go away. You see, CMU bought a whole bunch of pmaxen and then found out that Andrew didn't really perform on that platform. The shell would often spit out error messages when running an ATK program. It would also core dump at random times. It turned out to be a memory management bug in the kernal and a bug with the exec() system call. This "unaligned access" message apparently results from bad programming practice. I have a pmax in my office and I've never seen this message. Beats me. When we make the fixes that cause this message to go away, we'll report on the cause. Gary Keim ATK Group \enddata{text,269936936} \enddata{text822, 169009} \begindata{text822, 171248} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 15:25:23 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 15:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 15:21:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4bvZiva00VsWQL4KQR@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 15:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 425+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Strange WP error In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,269936936} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 23-Mar-91 Strange WP error Garrett Wollman@griffin. (209)} \quotation{Does anybody have an idea what the following error, from makeboth, }\quotation{is supposed to mean: } \quotation{Error reading one of the password files, user ``'': Error number 0. } For some unknown reason makeboth came up against a passwd entry that had no pw_name value and it hadn't yet reached the end of the file. The return value of 101 probably came from make. \enddata{text,269936936} \enddata{text822, 171248} \begindata{text822, 173019} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8158;andrew.cmu.edu;David Anderson Received: from larimer.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 17:44:01 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from larimer.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 17:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.larimer.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.larimer.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Mon, 25 Mar 1991 17:40:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 17:40:56 -0500 (EST) From: David Anderson X-Andrew-Message-Size: 81+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Jeff Putsch Subject: Re: Unaligned access on DECstation In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,270375876} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Which malloc are you using? The standard DEC one, or the Andrew malloc? --david \enddata{text,270375876} \enddata{text822, 173019} \begindata{text822, 174424} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from uunet.UU.NET by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dba+; Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:23:20 EST Received: from chillon.uicc.com by uunet.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA14146; Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:23:13 -0500 Received: by chillon.uicc.com id AA05323 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:22:01 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.chillon.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.chillon.pmax_3; Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:21:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 08:21:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Putsch To: David Anderson Subject: Re: Unaligned access on DECstation Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: , Howdy, Excerpts from mail: 25-Mar-91 Re: Unaligned access on DEC.. David Anderson@andrew.cm (82) > Which malloc are you using? The standard DEC one, or the Andrew malloc? > --david I'm using the standard DEC malloc. Jeff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Putsch | Internet: putsch@uicc.com Unitrode Integrated Circuits Corp. | UUCP : uunet!chillon!putsch Merrimack, NH USA | | Voice : (US) 603-429-8626 (daytime) \enddata{text822, 174424} \begindata{text822, 176476} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Mar 91 12:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Mar 91 12:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 26 Mar 91 12:38:21 EST Received: by ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.14) id AA24793; Tue, 26 Mar 91 09:38:17 -0800 Received: from neon.awdpa.ibm.com by ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12991; Tue, 26 Mar 91 09:35:25 -0800 Received: by neon.awdpa.ibm.com (5.61/1.14) id AA15413; Tue, 26 Mar 91 09:35:19 -0800 From: marc@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (Marc Pawliger) Message-Id: <9103261735.AA15413@neon.awdpa.ibm.com> Subject: IBM '6000 console bug? To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Mar 91 9:35:17 PST Console (ATK pl9) on IBM '6000 running AIX does not seem to report AFS information coming from the afsd (this is for AFS 3.1). If I have AFS report the information to a remote machine with 'fs monitor remotehost' and the remote host is a IBM RT running AOS or and IBM RT running AIX, the information is correctly reported. Any thoughts? The /etc/service on the '6000 does have entries for 'console' and 'venus.itc', though these seem unecessary since those addresses are also hardcoded into console if the getservbyname(3) fails. --marc pawliger +--Marc Pawliger----IBM Advanced Workstations Division----Palo Alto, CA---+ | Internet: marc@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com VNET: MARCP at AUSVM6 | | UUCP: uunet!ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com!marc Phone: (415) 855-3493 | +-----IBMinet: marc@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com----------IBM T/L: 465-3493------+ \enddata{text822, 176476} \begindata{text822, 178543} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 38;andrew.cmu.edu;Susan Straub Received: from hamburg.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 26 Mar 1991 15:54:48 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from hamburg.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 26 Mar 1991 15:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hamburg.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.hamburg.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Tue, 26 Mar 1991 15:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1991 15:49:50 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Straub X-Andrew-Message-Size: 516+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: info-andrew archiving \begindata{text,270242348} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} All correspondence on info-andrew is archived on our anonymous ftp machine, emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (IP 128.2.30.62.). This is available under the top level ftp directory ia-archive. I don't do anything fancy except save all the mail into a file by each month starting with jan.90 and up to feb.91. If there's enough call for some special archiving facility, I'm sure someone will come up with one, but as for now, I just use grep. Hope you find this helpful. Sincerely, Susan Straub Andrew Toolkit Group \enddata{text,270242348} \enddata{text822, 178543} \begindata{text822, 180252} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 27 Mar 91 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Mar 91 03:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 27 Mar 91 03:51:20 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA08905; Wed, 27 Mar 91 00:38:31 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 27 Mar 91 04:16:24 GMT From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net (Guy Harris) Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Subject: "ez" drops core when run with no supported window system Message-Id: <6841@auspex.auspex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu If you're not running under WM nor X (nor any other window system to which you've added support), and try to fire up an "ez", it drops core. The problem is that it's not as careful checking for failure returns as it could be. Here's a fix, to "atk/ez/eza.c": *** eza.c.dist Thu Jan 3 14:58:23 1991 --- eza.c Tue Mar 26 20:12:37 1991 *************** *** 454,466 **** Dont have a window yet, or need one for error buffer. */ ! self->frame = frame_New(); frame_SetCommandEnable(self->frame, TRUE); if (self->haveBufferInWindow) frame_SetTitle(self->frame, "Startup Errors."); else frame_SetTitle(self->frame, "No files specified."); /* This will get reset below. */ ! self->im = im_Create(NULL); im_SetView(self->im, self->frame); frame_PostDefaultHandler(self->frame, "message", frame_WantHandler(self->frame, "message")); } --- 454,472 ---- Dont have a window yet, or need one for error buffer. */ ! if((self->frame = frame_New()) == NULL) { ! fprintf(stderr,"Could not allocate enough memory.\nexiting.\n"); ! return(FALSE); ! } frame_SetCommandEnable(self->frame, TRUE); if (self->haveBufferInWindow) frame_SetTitle(self->frame, "Startup Errors."); else frame_SetTitle(self->frame, "No files specified."); /* This will get reset below. */ ! if((self->im = im_Create(NULL)) == NULL) { ! fprintf(stderr,"Could not create new window.\nexiting.\n"); ! return(FALSE); ! } im_SetView(self->im, self->frame); frame_PostDefaultHandler(self->frame, "message", frame_WantHandler(self->frame, "message")); } \enddata{text822, 180252} \begindata{text822, 183212} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 27 Mar 91 21:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 27 Mar 91 21:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 27 Mar 91 21:52:38 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA07824; Wed, 27 Mar 91 18:46:09 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 28 Mar 91 01:24:26 GMT From: olivea!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!texsun!convex!datri@apple.com (Anthony A. Datri) Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Subject: AndrewSetup/mail problem Message-Id: <1991Mar28.012426.13722@convex.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu [ x11r4 ATK + all current (9) patches. Built and running on a Sun 4c under SunOS 4.1.1.] Reading through the "setup" help file, I see: "Yes" specifies that, when a user sends a message from a workstation whose name is different from ThisDomain, the user will be identified as "userid@ThisDomain" in the "From: " line of the message. My /usr/andrew/etc/AndrewSetup file has: ThisDomain: concave ThisDomainSuffix: convex.com AMS_UseWP: no AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes AMS_LocalMailSystemExists: yes AMS_WSRunsQueuemail: no AMS_ThisDomainAuthFromWS: yes My machine is "lovecraft", and concave is the machine that I'd like to have show up in my mail headers, since that's where my home directory lives. Mail delivery is with normal sendmail, and I have a company-wide alias of the traditional sort of "datri@concave" for "datri". Yet, mail that I send from Messages goes out with From: "Anthony A. Datri" in the headers. What's going on? Shouldn't it be "datri@concave"? I've only recently seen this because I used to have lovecraft's sendmail.cf use Sun's "OR" feature to do this at the MTA level. I have an unrelated need now for a pseudo-user on lovecraft to receive mail locally, though, so I had to remove the OR business. -- -- datri@convex.com \enddata{text822, 183212} \begindata{text822, 185841} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 28 Mar 91 10:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 28 Mar 91 10:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 28 Mar 91 10:38:15 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA21166; Thu, 28 Mar 91 07:30:27 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 28 Mar 91 15:20:22 GMT From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica!macado.cica.indiana.edu!mcmullen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rick McMullen) Organization: IU Center for Innovative Computer Applications Subject: Help! Problems w/new Andrew installation Message-Id: <1991Mar28.152022.17215@cica.indiana.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Here are just a few questions about Andrew from a wet behind the ears "user": I recently compiled and installed the andrews stuff from the MIT R4 tape on a Sun 4/330 running SunOS 4.0.3. After several odd failures, including having to compile andrew/oda/src/attr15.c with gcc (Sun's cc didn't work, as core dumped), I finally got some things to work. I'm still having some problems that the CMU readers may have answers for: 1. Console won't start. It core dumps just before or during the dup2 call in InitStats (andrew/atk/console/lib/vmmon.c). 2. Due to a lack of information I can't get the print file option in ez to produce output. I get "preparing output" or similar but no output. I don't have ditroff and linked ditroff to groff as an approximate solution. 3. I installed ispell version 2.0.02, and linked it to spell, but ez crashes when I try to do a spell check. 4. Where can I get some recent printed (or printable) Andrew manuals. I have a set from CMU copyright 1986 that seem a bit out of date. Are there other better distributions than the one on the MIT R4 tape, or are there patches available for it? To what extent is the successful installation and use of Andrew dependent upon having AFS? How does one use insets? I would like to try the link inset for the editor but don't quite know where to begin. Thanks much. To the CMU folks, I think Andrew is a great idea and seems to provide the kind of integrated environment I am looking for, but getting it running and finding documentation seems to be a problem! Rick McMullen Center for Innovative Computer Applications Indiana University Bloomington, IN 47405 (812)855-6972 mcmullen@ucs.indiana.edu \enddata{text822, 185841} \begindata{text822, 188884} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 28 Mar 1991 12:54:41 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 28 Mar 1991 12:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.fallscreek.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Thu, 28 Mar 1991 12:51:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1991 12:51:30 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 387+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Help! Problems w/new Andrew installation In-Reply-To: <1991Mar28.152022.17215@cica.indiana.edu> References: <1991Mar28.152022.17215@cica.indiana.edu> \begindata{text,269986496} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 28-Mar-91 Help! Problems w/new Andrew.. Rick McMullen@ucbvax.Ber (1678)} \quotation{I recently compiled and installed the andrews stuff from the MIT R4 tape }\quotation{on a Sun 4/330 running SunOS 4.0.3. } So, if you haven't picked up the available patches yet they are available via anonymous ftp from the Internet host, emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (Internet:128.2.30.62). Directory patches. \enddata{text,269986496} \enddata{text822, 188884} \begindata{text822, 190643} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from apollo.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Thu, 28 Mar 1991 13:55:43 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from apollo.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 28 Mar 1991 13:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.apollo.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.apollo.transarc.com.pmax_3; Thu, 28 Mar 1991 13:53:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8bwXiFf0BwwOQMYHRd@transarc.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1991 13:53:05 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 290+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) Subject: Re: AndrewSetup/mail problem CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <1991Mar28.012426.13722@convex.com> References: <1991Mar28.012426.13722@convex.com> \begindata{text,18332244} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} I think the problem is that your ThisDomain: is set to ``concave'' and not to ``concave.convex.com''. The ThisDomainSuffix variable is meant to be appended to the workstation name as returned by gethostname(), but not to the explicitly-given value of ThisDomain. Does this help? Craig \enddata{text,18332244} \enddata{text822, 190643}