Newsgroups: sci.lang
Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!yale!gumby!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!uchinews!ellis!deb5
From: deb5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Re: "Wanna come with?" [was: Re: German postpositions]
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.uchicago.edu
Message-ID: <DFxFu2.7y0@midway.uchicago.edu>
Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator)
Reply-To: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The University of Chicago
References: <44btbq$c54@clarknet.clark.net> <44kfdq$14b@bone.think.com> <DFs68n.M6v@midway.uchicago.edu> <44raib$g80@gabi.gabi-soft.fr>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:51:37 GMT
Lines: 24

In article <44raib$g80@gabi.gabi-soft.fr>, J. Kanze <kanze@gabi-soft.fr> wrote:
[most deleted]
>An other interesting phenomena, which may be a calque (or may not be),
>is the use of post-positionals in northern Italian dialects: ``andare
>giu'', 

My Italian is not up to scratch here and I don't recognise "giu."  Can you
list any other Romance cognates?

>instead of the standard ``salire''.  Also, both northern Italian
>and southern German dialects use the definite article before proper
>nouns, although this usage is not standard in either language.  This
>would seem to be a case of some localized influence.

I would tend to think not:  Articles are regularly used with personal
names in modern Catalan, for instance.  Then again, I'm not sure about
neighboring languages.  If they're used similarly in the Occitan dialects,
you might have something here.


-- 
	 Daniel "Da" von Brighoff    /\          Dilettanten
	(deb5@midway.uchicago.edu)  /__\         erhebt Euch
				   /____\      gegen die Kunst!
