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From: deb5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Re: Voiceless L
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In article <3to1ke$4vm@panix2.panix.com>, dave lewis <mambo@panix.com> wrote:

>But Welsh does have vowels.  It's just that they're all tangled up with
>that other stuff that appeared when somebody dropped something on the
>keyboard.

Slander Welsh all you want, but keep in mind that at least they don't
spell Cholmondelay and Featherstonehaugh and say "Chumley" and "Fanshaw."
No matter how threatening gwrywgydiaeth and ysgrythurwr may look, they
are pronounced they way they're spelled.

>> I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the term "monolateral."  There is contact 
>> with only one side of the oral cavity when making a Welsh ll (in my case, 
>> the left side), if that's what you're asking.
>
>I guess that settles it.  Still, the asymmetric articulation seems
>strange, especially since you can get a virtually identical acoustic
>effect with a bilateral fricative, with the right degree of "fricatation".
>Well, shows how much I know (kind of humiliating, in view of my last
>name).

I've been sitting here trying out both kinds of ll's (and getting a lot
of spit on the keyboard in the process).  I'm not sure whether its just
because I'm used to a "unilateral" articulation, but a bilateral ll
feels harder to me since it requires me to stretch my tongue more to reach
both sides of my mouth at once.

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