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From: clive@d-supp.demon.co.uk (Clive Bruton/Typonaut)
Subject: Re: Need Font With Slashed "L" for Apache/Navajo
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In article <3hg8p1$lf0@agate.berkeley.edu>, patchew@uclink2.berkeley.edu
(Patrick Chew) wrote:

>>   Charles A. Bigelow <bigelow@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>   
>>   >Ruud Harmsen <rharmsen@knoware.nl> wrote:
>>   >[concerning the barred-l]
>>   
>>   >The usual phonetic value for barred-l in transcriptions of New World
languages
>>   >is a voiceless lateral fricative - a 'l' pronounced without the voicing.
>>   >It sounds nothing like the 'w'-sound in Polish. The voiceless lateral is
>>   >widespread in western American languages - from Canada to Guatemala. The 
>>   >"same" (or very similar) sound, but written with a double-l 'll' -
occurs in
>>   >Welsh.  
>>   
>>   
>>           One problem here is that people are calling the IPA symbol that 
>>   represents the voiceless lateral fricative as "barred-l".. it's NOT a 
>>   barred-l.  Barred-l is used in Polish, with a predominant pronunciation 
>>   of [w].  The symbol for the voiceless lateral fricative, btw, is often 
>>   done either with a tilde crossing the l midsections (not preferred) or as 
>>   an l with a slight bar cursively connected on the left side (like many 
>>   people's cursive t's).
>>           The voiceless lateral fricative can also be found widespread in 
>>   many areas of SE Asia and the SE'ern dialect regions of China.
>>   
>>   -Patrick
>>   

Just to follow up my earlier assertion, there are both slashed "L" and "l"
characters in the standard Adobe font sets, although they are in the first
32 characters of the set and may therefore not be available to all
operating systems.


Clive Bruton

clive@d-supp.demon.co.uk
