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From: zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Subject: Re: Penrose's new book
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In article <38k7mr$j41@netaxs.com> sparky@netaxs.com (Tim Sheridan) writes:

>Michael Zeleny (zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu) wrote:

>: The long and short of it is that a machine is something that can be
>: modeled with mathematics.  By all means get back to me if and when
>: you figure out a way to get around this point.

>Formal axiomatic syatems are at best static rubber playtoys for 
>philosophy students.
>
>The brain, on the otherhand, is an informationally enormmus caotic open 
>system.  We are not talking about "a" machine. We are talking 
>about an evolving locus of exqisitly complex and ever changing machines. 

If it is too complex for mathematics, it is too complex for
understanding, including the sort responsible for your claims.

Among philosophy students, this is known as a reductio.

>This ain't logic anymore.
>It's information..
>
>A good thing too.
>Because information is, of course, required for consciousness.

So is logic, albeit not always in an evident fashion.

cordially,                                                    don't
mikhail zeleny@math.ucla.edu                                  tread
writing from the disneyland of formal philosophy                 on
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."      me
