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>From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
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Subject: Re: Causes and Goals (was re: The Systems Reply I
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Date: 18 Mar 92 16:08:50 GMT
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In article <515@trwacs.fp.trw.com> 
erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin) writes:

>santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:

>>In article <1992Mar16.003442.9891@husc3.harvard.edu>
>>zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes: 

MZ:
>>>...

PS:
>>I am wondering why, according to your definitions, a rain cloud does not
>>communicate rain.

Like I said, a cloud is not an agent.

MZ:
>>>somatic}, sufficient for volition, but not for intention, and hence
>>>bereft of non-natural, semantic meaning; in other words, the
>>>communication effected by it is natural, rather than expressive.  Thus
>>>the necessary condition for an occurrence of expressive meaning is
>>>intentional action, which depends on {\it noetic} agency.

PS:
>>What causes the intentionality?
>
>>Philip Santas

HE:
>I am reminded of a certain species of monkey that raises it's tail when it
>is nervous. This is an automatic reaction, to the extent that individuals
>have been observed holding their tail down when they didn't want to be
>seen as being nervous, yet this also communicates expressive meaning.
>Non-intentionality communicating expressive meaning...

"I am reminded of my own species, whose male gender raises its penis (Latin
for tail) when it is horny.  This is an automatic reaction, to the extent
that individuals have been observed holding their penes down when they
didn't want to be seen as being horny, yet this also communicates
expressive meaning.  Non-intentionality communicating expressive meaning..."

Sorry, but I don't think that our hardons are quite that eloquent.  

Georges Brassens said it for me:

	Quand je pense \`a Fernande,
	Je bande, je bande,
	Quand j'pense \`a F\'elici',
	Je bande aussi,
	Quand j'pense \`a L\'eonore,
	Mon Dieu, je bande encore,
	Mais quand j'pense \`a Lulu,
	L\`a je ne bande plus.
	La bandaison, papa,
	\c{C}a n'se commande pas.

>Cheers,
>
>-- 
>Harry Erwin
>Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com

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