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>From: zirdum@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Antun Zirdum)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Definition of understanding
Message-ID: <1992Mar10.003936.6240@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Date: 10 Mar 92 00:39:36 GMT
References: <1992Mar6.185522.18137@oracorp.com> <1992Mar9.163303.2313@psych.toronto.edu>
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In article <1992Mar9.163303.2313@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>In article <1992Mar6.185522.18137@oracorp.com> daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough) writes:
>>Right off the bat, Searle gets it wrong: no AI proponent believes that
>>a computer (however programmed) is a mind.
>
>This is contrary to everything that *I* have heard or read, and is certainly
>opposed to the general tenor of discussion in this group.  Any AI types care
>to comment? 
>
Certainly,
All AI types claim is that the running of the program
on a computer produces a mind! Notice the difference,
the computer and the program is not the mind, it is 
the process of running it that produces a mind!

It is like claiming that dead people have no minds,
but they do have all the chemical and physical
characterstics in their brains that live people have
It is the actual process of running the brain that
produces the phenomenom of mind.

The computer can never be a mind, or even a mind
simulation, the computer can be a brain simulation
and it can HAVE a mind!

Clear (as mud?)
>
>- michael


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