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From: 93funkst@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (FUNK  STEVEN LESLIE,,Student Account)
Subject: Re: Chess, Tictactoe, and Checkers, Oh My!
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 23:06:33 GMT
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Hi,

	I just finished a seminar on consciousness using Penroses Shadows of the Mind as a text.  Unfortunately he's a much better physicist then cognitive scientist.  He makes some valid points about the limitations of AI research, but stumbles greatly in asserting his own point of view.  I think a big part of the problem is that all of the AI/Cog Sci research that has gone on has been carried out with a narrow, short sighted view of the issues that surround the mind.  I know of no model of cognition that claims

 to address the underlying problems of representing consciousness.  So, these problems are ignored, leading to systems which are by their nature limited.  I've done some fooling around with symbolic systems, but their problems are obvious.  I spent years doing connectionist research, but there are fundamental problems that limit the potential for modelling consciousness.  I personally feel that until we find a more reasonable paradigm, we will be restricted to cardboard models of mind.  This, rather then t

he pursuit of phoneme recognition, is were the efforts should be made.

Just my 2 cents worth
Steve Funk
93funkst@wave.scar.utornto.ca

