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From: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Re: dare/durst, darf/drfen
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:46:49 GMT
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In article <5grd4p$n1l@due.unit.no>,
Jon Kaare Hellan <hellan@hassel.idt.unit.no> wrote:
>In article <E6p5BK.Mw8@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>Daniel von Brighoff <deb5@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>In article <33202D91.3ECB@cam.sri.com>,
>>Martin Keegan  <martin@cam.sri.com> wrote:
>>>Elizabethan English had 'durst' as the past tense of 'dare';
>>>is 'dare/durst' cognate with the German 'darf/drfen'?
>>
>>Nope.  By the 2. Lautverschiebung ("Second Consonant Shift"), PWG d -> t
>>in AHG.  (I'm not sure at what point th -> d, but it can't be too long
>>afterward.)  So the cognate of 'dare/durst' is obsolete 'turren/torste'.
>
>But not obsolete in Norwegian.
>
>I dare -> Jeg  tr   ('' = o slash)
>I dared -> Jeg turde
>
>I never thought of 'dare' and 'tr' as direct cognates. Thanks for the
>information.

But the 2. Latuverschiebung never took place in Norwegian.  Wouldn't the
cognate verb look more like "darra"?


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