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From: mcv@inter.NL.net (Miguel Carrasquer)
Subject: Re: German and French uvular 'r'
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:25:37 GMT
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In article <dacosta.785407281@corallus>,
Paulo da Costa <dacosta@prl.philips.nl> wrote:
>In <CzFDzL.D05@spss.com> markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
>
>>I'm told that an initial r- in the carioca accent is pronounced [h],
>>and a medial -r- as [R*] (that is, like a French r).  Thus "Rio de Janeiro"
>>is pronounced [hiu dZi ZaneR*u].  Other parts of Brazil have different
>>r's; in Sao Paulo a trilled r is common.
>
>Good heavens, no! Initial r in most of Brazil (if not all of it) is
>pronounced like English h, with one exception for Rio (more on this
>later). Medial r followed by a vowel is _always_ trilled. 

Is that uvular trilled or alveolar trilled?  How are -r and -rr-
distinguished?


>Syllable-final
>r (including rr) is where differences creep in: Cariocas like myself use
>what you call a French r (although I think it's more like a Dutch g)
>before a voiced consonant, and an h otherwise (rr gets an h).
>
>The exception for initial r in Rio is that it depends on the following
>vowel(s). I pronounce r in "rio" and "rua"  as your French r, but in
>"rato", "reto", "rota" it's an h. Emphasis can also change an r from h
>to a French r (in any position), so this difference is less important
>than the other ones.
>
>Your example, in other words, should have [R*iu] and [Zaneru]. You
>should also do something about the d, which is not [dZ] (shouldn't it be
>d-slashed?).

dotless-j slashed maybe?  The d in "de-, di-" sounds very palatalized
to me in Brazilian Portuguese (like "ti"/"te" as well).

Paulo, you must be sad [Homariu] has left town.  I'm an Ajax/Barc,a man 
myself, so I'm quite pleased myself :-)  Tudo bem..

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