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From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M. Koloc)
Subject: Re: General Relativistic Meataphysics
Message-ID: <D9723K.CFK@prometheus.UUCP>
Reply-To: pmk@promethe.UUCP (Paul M. Koloc)
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References: <sewalter-1005951259170001@i4067120.cfa.ilstu.edu> <vanjacD8E7F9.75B@netcom.com> <D8syJv.IG6@prometheus.UUCP> <3pitld$44a@brtph500.bnr.ca>
Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:35:42 GMT
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Xref: glinda.oz.cs.cmu.edu sci.logic:11108 sci.physics:123120 comp.ai.philosophy:28369

In article <3pitld$44a@brtph500.bnr.ca> phickman@b4pph19e.bnr.ca (Peter Hickman) writes:
>In article <D8syJv.IG6@prometheus.UUCP>, pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M. Moloc) writes:
>> In article <vanjacD8E7F9.75B@netcom.com> vanjac@netcom.com (Van) writes:
>> >In article <sewalter-1005951259170001@i4067120.cfa.ilstu.edu>,
>> >Scott Walters <sewalter@ilstu.edu> wrote:
>> >>No reasonable scientist would discount the possibility, either, since
>> >>until disproven, the god-hypothesis remains viable.  As long as science is
>> >>unable to definitively prove its hypotheses, and in addition, get beyond
>> >>the barrier of that first fraction of a second of the universe's
>> >>existence, the origin of the universe is up for grabs.  Scientific
>> >>pronouncements to the contrary are just wishful thinking.

>> >We can't waste time on assertions that have no basis.

>> In science we know there are factors that are conserved.  This 
>> consideration suggests existence in some form prior to the big bang.  
>> Since that event was high in spatial density and expanded (dilated) 
>> in time, then what ever the substance which composed the big bang 
>> decayed from, was obviously NOT matter.  The notion that the universe 
>> is undergoing and infinite number expansion contractions, is difficult 
>> to accept, since like a returning tide, the incoming will be smeared out
>> over a long time (IF IT WILL CONTRACT AT ALL) and thus the later 
>> arriving mass will meet already arrived and "bouncing back" masses so
>> that the outflowing mass will collide and cause damping of the whole 
>> process.   

>	Very good meataphysics.

Really?  Gee  grind me a pound.  

>> That leaves the question, `From where and what is this "hypermatter 
>> state" that has characteristics which we speculate to be present at the 
>> moment of decay or from our side of the picture it's effuence which
>> generated the  "big 3D Bang??'  

>> What or where is this stuff?
>> Frankly, I think this stuff is still there -- where??  in 2 D space--; 

>	AHAA! in plain old meat space.  I tell you this philosophy of the scientifically unoobservable is making great leaps and bounds.  Once you just give up and just let go the meataphysical methods can just take you anywhere you might want to go.  I don't know why you would, but I'm not a meataphysician.

In Meat Space  I think you mean  Sauce.   

Certainly, we should be allowed to consider the possibilities that
our minds can conjure as possible explanations.  But as for the 
scientifically unobservable, well, we have lots of that.  However, we
manage to circumvent this where we can, by using indirect observation.  

One my not have seen a "big foot", at least for a few decades, but unless
the tracks are hoaxes, eventually they will be photgraphed with the
wider availability of zoom VCRs, for example.  Here, it's more like
viewing an electron.  We can see "atoms" now, whereas before we could not
and only new of their existence through reason (Greeks) and later by
the presence of their effects.  

>> and furthermore an even infinitly dense form of stuff exists in 0ne 
>> Space as it is an unique single entity.    
	The BIG MEAT.

You would break your teeth.  

>> It isn't a matter of asserting that CERTAIN forms live on CERTAIN planets,
>> it's that the probability of highly intelligent human (soul bearing)
>> creatures likely exist on many star systems ... maybe several per
>> galaxy -- maybe 1000s per galaxy.   God isn't defined as CERTAIN this
>> or that, except that it quite easy to pick "where God is", since his
>> domicile is  the GRAND ONE DIMENSION   or GOD for short.   :-)

>	Meat central, top of the multidimensional meatheap.

Yep, the old pyrimid scheme.  Shucks! I bet you thought your bit of prowess
was the hardest and densest stuff around.  

>> Now, just because a physicists 3-D matter instruments can't detect
>> volumeless (2D) or 1D  forms of matter, doesn't mean they don't
>> exist.  We know they likely do.  Why,..   logic. 

>	And Meataphysics.  In fact maybe more meataphysics than logic, but check with Lawnmowerman on this.

I never got along with lawyers that well.  

 
>	Do we have to go all the way to meataphysics to have workable x-rays?

Not that I'm aware.   

>That doesn't seem fair, isn't this the realm of the scientifically unobservable we're talking about?  Aren't x-rays pretty ordinary EM waves?

Yep, it's just that they can pass through your nebulous body quite easily
with a few 10's of MeV.  Including your Hard part.  :-) 

>> >No one has to prove that god doesn't exist. There are an infinity of
>> >things that could exist. 

>	In meataphysical terms anyway.

Not that anyone is in danger of coming up with more than a few 100 k.  

>	MAybe he means GR but who knows?

Contraction was the mechanism  to construct a hyper dense matter form 


>	Pizzas!  This is as crazy as the meat problem in Lawnmowerman.  Pizzas and meataphysics.  I guess it figures.

Hey .. leave lawyers out of this.  and watch out for those turtles. 

>	A lot for one pizza to do in any cosmos.

Eh!  all in a day's work  ... a bit of a dilated day. 

>	Very good meataphysics.  You, Lawnmoverman, Walters etali should work it up and publish it.  The big accellerator project died but Congress may be in the mood to fund pizzas at lightspeed.

Naw,  they will need it explained using dried cow pies (chips) --  probably 
the male source prefered.    

>> >Van  --  Email: vanjac@netcom.com
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