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Subject: Re: Is there a spiritual force etc.?
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In article <19940928.095450.733@almaden.ibm.com> mpriestley@VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>From: mpriestley@VNET.IBM.COM
>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 12:53:09 EDT
>Subject: Re: Is there a spiritual force etc.?

>rubble@leland.Stanford.EDU (Adam Heath Clark) writes:
>>i view the statement "i am conscious" as being of the same category as
>>"this looks red to me" -- i am talking about an internal state, in whichi
>>create my own reality.  i don't see much room for deception here.  the
>>thing is, everything about god is about external states, in which decepton
>           ----------------------------------------------
>>is possible.

>This is your conception of god.  Nowhere have I suggested that god
>has anything to do with external states.  My premise: given a direct
>subjective experience of a being infinitely greater than the self,
>it makes sense to believe in the existence of a being infinitely greater
>than the self.  This experience is grounded in the same way that
>the experience of isolated consciousness is grounded, and has the same
>implications for "external states" (ie none at all).

"All right," said the [Cheshire] Cat; and this time it vanished quite slowly, 
beginning with the end of the tail, and ending with the grin, which remained 
some time after the rest of it had gone.

:-(


