\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 09:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 09:34:05 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at (neptun.kapsch.co.at [148.198.8.4]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id JAA04212; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 09:33:32 -0400 Resent-From: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 15:32 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 15:32 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04696; Wed, 1 Sep 93 15:32:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 15:32:51 +0200 From: fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at (Fodatec Project) Message-Id: <9309011332.AA04696@harare.kapsch.co.at> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Mail submission problem Cc: fodatec@neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at After several months of running AMS without any problem, sendmessage reports following when attempting to 'Send/Post' a message: Submission failed: Can't write message to /etc/oldsendmail: Broken pipe Unknown operating system error (in dropoff in SubmitMessage) My system: Sun Sparc 10, SunOS 4.1.3 ATK version: 5.0 Non-AFS, Non-AMDS environment My AndrewSetup file: Print.NonAndrew: yes Venus: no ThisDomain: ^ ThisDomainSuffix: kapsch.co.at AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes AMS_NonViceHost: yes AMS_UseWP: no AMS_PrinterNamesInSpoolDirectories: no AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail AMS_ValidateDestHosts: yes AMS_LocalMailSystemExists: yes AMS_WSRunsQueuemail: no AMS_DeliveryViaDomainAddress: no AMS_DeliveryViaGethostbyname: yes AMS_DeliveryViaHostTable: no AMS_DeliveryViaDomainMXAddress: no AMS_AliasesValidation: no AMS_CheckDateInSeparatingFrom: yes AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom: yes AMS_ThisDomainAuthFromWS: yes ThisDomainWPDirectory: /home/harare/wpadmin/wp_domains/kapsch.co.at. AMS_WPValidation: 0 Could someone please give me some hint ? Many thanks in advance. -Kazio Kazimierz Zielinski, Kapsch AG, Vienna fodatec@kapsch.co.at \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 2553} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Dew X-Andrew-Message-Size: 973+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at (Fodatec Project) Subject: Re: Mail submission problem In-Reply-To: <9309011332.AA04696@harare.kapsch.co.at> References: <9309011332.AA04696@harare.kapsch.co.at> \begindata{text,2046192} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 1-Sep-93 Mail submission problem Fodatec Project@harare.k (1147)} \quotation{After several months of running AMS without any problem, sendmessage }\quotation{reports following when attempting to 'Send/Post' a message: } \quotation{Submission failed: Can't write message to /etc/oldsendmail: Broken pipe }\quotation{Unknown operating system error (in dropoff in SubmitMessage) } Oddly, the error message seems to imply that your version of andrew was compiled with RUN_AMDS_ENV defined in config/site.mcr, even though your're not running AMDS. In any event, the error message suggests that \italic{sendmessage} expects to find your system's regular sendmail program (/usr/lib/sendmail, for SunOS) in a file named /etc/oldsendmail, and presumably, this file was somehow removed from your system directory. To fix the problem, copy or link /usr/lib/sendmail to /etc/oldsendmail, or define \italic{OldSendmailProgram }in your AndrewSetup file to be\italic{ /usr/lib/sendmail. }(And make sure /usr/lib/sendmail exists!).\italic{ -Bob }\enddata{text,2046192} \enddata{text822, 2553} \begindata{text822, 5279} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:19:51 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dedekind.math.luc.edu (dedekind.math.luc.edu [147.126.2.1]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id TAA00978; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:17:25 -0400 Received: from schauinsland.math.luc.edu by dedekind.math.luc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20278; Thu, 2 Sep 93 18:19:34 CDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.schauinsland.yp.math.luc.edu.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.schauinsland.yp.math.luc.edu.sun4_41; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 18:19:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 18:19:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Konstantin Laufer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Some questions by Andrew novice I recently installed the ATK on our Sun network and like it a lot. I have a couple of questions that I couldn't answer by looking at the FAQ or the documentation: Is it possible to read usenet news remotely via NNTP using messages? Is it possible to access AFS bboard and help files remotely in messages without running AFS locally? Can I make the messages program annotate mail messages that I replied to or forwarded, like in MH? Is there a way to specify something like "alternate mailboxes" in MH? In other words, messages sent to me@machine1, me@machine2, ..., should all show up as addressed to me. This might be related to the fact that I had to compile with RESOLVER_ENV undefined due to a problem with the header files in SunOS 4.1.3. How can I make the keyboard shortcuts show in up in the the menus like in the remote demo? How about making the menus 3d? Where is the undo function in ez? Is there a smart spaces feature in ez that ignores typing more than one space between words? For some reason, shell commands are invisible in typescript and show up after hitting return? This makes tcsh command-line editing impossible. Any help or suggestions will be appreciated. Regards, -Konstantin Laufer@math.luc.edu -- MIME mail accepted \enddata{text822, 5279} \begindata{text822, 8071} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8gVe5QS00WoiB5CVca@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Konstantin Laufer Subject: Re: Some questions by Andrew novice CC: Bulletin Board Administration In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > Is it possible to read usenet news remotely via NNTP using messages? No. Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > Is it possible to access AFS bboard and help files remotely in messages > without running AFS locally? If you have a machine which has access to the directories where the bboards are stored you should be able to set it up to run a messageserver process. The help files must be available through the filesystem either on the local disk or some NFS or AFS filesystem. Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > Can I make the messages program annotate mail messages that I replied to > or forwarded, like in MH? There is no way to configure how excerpts are done, though the ATK extension language Ness could be used to do just about anything with the excerpts. (I've never used MH so I don't know just what you're looking for here.) Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > Is there a way to specify something like "alternate mailboxes" in MH? > In other words, messages sent to me@machine1, me@machine2, ..., should > all show up as addressed to me. As far as I know messages doesn't munge the to: header, it just looks the way it was when the message was sent... Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > How can I make the keyboard shortcuts show in up in the the menus like > in the remote demo? How about making the menus 3d? *.MenusShowKeys: yes *.MotifPopupMenus: yes MenusShowKeys is yes by default though... Which release do you have? Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > Where is the undo function in ez? There is none. (It's been on the wish list for quite awhile, but there have been higher priority issues.) Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > Is there a smart spaces feature in ez that ignores typing more than one space between words? Again, it should be possible to program this fairly easily in Ness. Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > For some reason, shell commands are invisible in typescript and show up > after hitting return? This makes tcsh command-line editing impossible. Try turning off command line editing in your shell, typescript provides command line editing and with fcomp can also provide completion. (Though not command completion, it does do history completion and file completion, but being separate from the shell you must add some aliases to tell typescript about the shell's current woring directory.) Typescript is not a terminal emulator, just a command line interface to the shell. You may be happier with tm(an h19 emulator) in contrib/tm. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 8071} \begindata{text822, 12550} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Konstantin Laufer Subject: PS -- Re: Some questions by Andrew novice CC: Bulletin Board Administration In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Some questions by Andrew no.. Konstantin Laufer@math.l (1254*) > For some reason, shell commands are invisible in typescript and show up > after hitting return? This makes tcsh command-line editing impossible. I should have noted that the TERM variable will be set to wm in a shell executing in a typescript. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 12550} \begindata{text822, 14185} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 04:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 04:29:54 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 04:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from barney.cs.city.ac.uk (barney.cs.city.ac.uk [138.40.91.8]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id EAA11922; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 04:26:38 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.barney.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.barney.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4_41; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 09:28:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 09:28:33 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Williams X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1039+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Some questions by Andrew novice In-Reply-To: <8gVe5QS00WoiB5CVca@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <8gVe5QS00WoiB5CVca@andrew.cmu.edu> \begindata{text,1844760} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from atk.info-andrew: 2-Sep-93 Re: Some questions by Andre.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (3252)} \quotation{> Where is the undo function in ez? } \quotation{There is none. (It's been on the wish list for quite awhile, but there }\quotation{have been higher priority issues.) } Every time I have demo'd ATK applications (specifically messages and ez) to people, the response has been "Looks very nice, but I don't want to use it if I can't undo. Even 'vi' can undo....". I feel that until undo is moved higher on the priority list and actually implemented, the user-base of ez and ATK in general will be very limited. Even if it is kludged in to work for only the text object. That's all people want it for in general. At our site, text undo capability would double the number of users immediately (okay, okay, so we don't have many users to start with :-). Nick Williams E-mail: njw@cs.city.ac.uk (MIME and ATK) Systems Architecture Research Centre, Tel: +44 71 477 8551 London, EC1V 0HB Fax: +44 71 477 8587 \enddata{text,1844760} \enddata{text822, 14185} \begindata{text822, 16935} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 507+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew port to 386bsd? In-Reply-To: References: Distribution: world \begindata{text,539557160} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 7-Sep-93 Andrew port to 386bsd? Marc van Kempen@rw7.urc. (264)} \quotation{I'm currently attempting a port of andrew to 386bsd, but am running }\quotation{into a lot of trouble. }\quotation{So I'm wondering if someone started this already } Yes. A fellow at Evans & Sutherland did a port a few months back but he never sent his changes and I've misplaced his email address. I know his machine's name so I sent a message to postmaster there, maybe he'll get in touch. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539557160} \enddata{text822, 16935} \begindata{text822, 18802} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bull.it (minerva1_int.bull.it [192.90.1.2]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id IAA01301; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:01:14 -0400 Received: from achille.it12.bull.it (ettore.it12.bull.it) by minerva1.bull.it with SMTP (5.65c/MAGGIO-92) id AA06204; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:00:20 +0200 Received-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:00:20 +0200 Received: by achille.it12.bull.it; Wed, 8 Sep 93 11:49:26 GMT (MET) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 11:49:26 GMT From: S.Scamuzzo@it12.bull.it (Scamuzzo Stefano) Message-Id: <9309081149.AA05221@achille.it12.bull.it> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ez and search permissions I'm trying to have ez saving a file which has the correct write permissions but belong to a directory which has not search permissions. How can I avoid this problem? Thanks, Stefano Scamuzzo * Stefano Scamuzzo * E-Mail: S.Scamuzzo@it12.bull.it | Phone :39-(0)2-6779-8450 * Fax: 39-(0)2-6779-8264 \enddata{text822, 18802} \begindata{text822, 20302} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linac.fnal.gov (linac.fnal.gov [131.225.18.176]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id JAA03658; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:37:38 -0400 From: mcguire@animal.fnal.gov Received: by linac.fnal.gov (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:37:34 -0500 Received: by animal.fnal.gov. animal.fnal.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25903; Wed, 8 Sep 93 08:41:42 CDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 08:41:42 CDT Message-Id: <9309081341.AA25903@ animal.fnal.gov. animal.fnal.gov> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: question about andrew Hi, I am trying to build Andrew from the MIT X11 Release 5 distribution. Is there a source for formatted documentation? The .doc files look like TeX, but the Makefiles don't seem to do anything with them to format them (although I have TeX and the LaTeX macros on the system). I am also having a problem compiling C source files that do #include The problem occurs because I don't have AFS. Is there a clean way that I can prevent the compilation of these files which depend upon AFS? (I am stuck on overhead/util/lib/alquery.c because it wants afs/acl.h afs/prclient.h afs/prerror.h afs/venus.h afs/cellconfig.h afs/print.h afs/prs_fs.h Thanks, Kevin McGuire Fermilab P.S. this is on a Sun SPARCstation 1+ running SunOS 4.1.3 \enddata{text822, 20302} \begindata{text822, 22183} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , S.Scamuzzo@it12.bull.it (Scamuzzo Stefano) Subject: Re: ez and search permissions CC: Bulletin Board Administration In-Reply-To: <9309081149.AA05221@achille.it12.bull.it> References: <9309081149.AA05221@achille.it12.bull.it> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Sep-93 ez and search permissions Scamuzzo Stefano@it12.bu (297) > I'm trying to have ez saving a file which has the correct write > permissions but belong to a directory which has not search permissions. > How can I avoid this problem? I'm fairly sure that you can't. In order to prevent losing data in case writing the file fails the new file is written as filename.NEW and then moved over the old file. If you would like to make this behavior optional you can look at atk/support/buffer.c (or bufferlist.c I forget which). (and write over the file directly when environ_GetProfileSwitch("TakeRisksSavingFiles", FALSE) is true. That string does not occur in the file, I'm suggesting that it be added.) Ideally I suppose buffer, bufferlist and frame would be modified so that if creating filename.NEW failed they would put up a dialog asking the user whether to take the risk of saving the file directly over the old copy. The best course is probably to copy the file somewhere you do have search permission and edit it there, mv'ing it into the non-searchable directory when you're done. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 22183} \begindata{text822, 24608} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: mcguire@animal.fnal.gov, Info-Andrew Subject: Re: question about andrew CC: Bulletin Board Administration In-Reply-To: <9309081341.AA25903@ animal.fnal.gov. animal.fnal.gov> References: <9309081341.AA25903@ animal.fnal.gov. animal.fnal.gov> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Sep-93 question about andrew mcguire@animal.fnal.gov (760) > I am trying to build Andrew from the MIT X11 Release 5 distribution. > Is there a source for formatted documentation? The .doc files look like > TeX, but the Makefiles don't seem to do anything with them to format > them (although I have TeX and the LaTeX macros on the system). I am also > having a problem compiling C source files that do > #include > The problem occurs because I don't have AFS. Is there a clean way that > I can prevent the compilation of these files which depend upon AFS? The .doc files are in ATK format. Once you have the system up and running they can be converted to troff. (And from there to postscipt using groff, Adobe's Transcript, or psroff if you have the old CAT troff. See the FAQ document in the top level of the distribution.) Be sure you don't #define AFS_ENV in your site.h file. If you do, remove it and add #undef AFS_ENV. If AFS_ENV is not set in your site.h file, double check that the #defineAFS_ENV 1 in allsys.h is commented out. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 24608} \begindata{text822, 26995} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maspar.MasPar.COM (maspar.MasPar.COM [192.84.231.1]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id NAA17842; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:45:21 -0400 Received: from armada by maspar.MasPar.COM (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01074; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:46:35 -0700 Received: by armada.MasPar.Com (5.57/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA05246; Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:45:29 -0700 Received: by argosy.MasPar.COM (5.65/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA18861; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:45:28 -0700 From: knappe@MasPar.COM (Fairy Knappe) Message-Id: <9309081745.AA18861@argosy.MasPar.COM> Subject: Andrew File System Info To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:45:28 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL8] I'm interested in more information on the Andrew File System (AFS).. - what systems is AFS currently available on - what may be involved in porting and supporting it to a unix-based system, - is it available on any MPP platforms - What are AFS's advantages over NFS Thank you for your response. Fairy D. Knappe MasPar Computer Corporation knappe@maspar.com \enddata{text822, 26995} \begindata{text822, 28633} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1147+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew on SVR4 (i486) box ??? In-Reply-To: <1993Sep7.220726.3796@unislc.slc.unisys.com> References: <1993Sep7.220726.3796@unislc.slc.unisys.com> \begindata{text,540457432} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 7-Sep-93 Andrew on SVR4 (i486) box ??? Ramana Ramachandran@unis (334)} \quotation{Has anyone ported Andrew 5.1 onto a SVR4 m/c ??? Also are there any ftp }\quotation{sites of the binaries for i386 machines??? BTW wouln't binaries suffice }\quotation{if Iam running SVR4 on a i486 machine. } I know of two ports to the 386 currently happening and three that are in our current release. A Linux port has been done and is apparently being put up for anon-ftp on sunsite by Michael O'Reilly . A port to 386BSD is mostly done but not enough to make binaries available yet. That work is being done by Cary Petterborg In our current release there is some support for SCOUnix, i386_mach, and i386_aix. Apparently the SCO environment is somewhat in flux so our current sources won't build without some work and we've put no effort into rectifying that situation. You can't just take any i386 binaries and expect them to work. It's highly dependent on the particular OS. Of those ports that are done or underway, the Linux port is most SYSV-ish. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,540457432} \enddata{text822, 28633} \begindata{text822, 31161} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 260+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Andrew File System Info In-Reply-To: <9309081745.AA18861@argosy.MasPar.COM> References: <9309081745.AA18861@argosy.MasPar.COM> \begindata{text,540457432} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 8-Sep-93 Andrew File System Info Fairy Knappe@MasPar.COM (373)} \quotation{I'm interested in more information on the }\quotation{Andrew File System (AFS) } You have the wrong list. I've forwarded you message to info-afs@transarc.com. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,540457432} \enddata{text822, 31161} \begindata{text822, 32756} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id PAA22385; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:03:56 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4034; Wed, 08 Sep 93 15:02:25 EDT Reply-To: "Dave Gross" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:02:07 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:02:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ultimate.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:01:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ultimate.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:01:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.ultimate.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.ultimate.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:01:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Gross To: Info-Andrew Subject: ness question I am trying to create an application with adew and ness. It seems that the ness function launchApplication inserts the marker (the interface I created with arb) into a text inset. I just want it in a frame. Is there any way to do this? If you need an example of what I'm talking about, let me know. Thanks, -- Dave \enddata{text822, 32756} \begindata{text822, 34920} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from karl.cs.flinders.edu.au (karl.cs.flinders.edu.au [129.96.44.3]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id HAA00968; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:52:54 -0400 Received: by karl.cs.flinders.edu.au id AA29428 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:23:04 +0930 Message-Id: <199309101153.AA29428@karl.cs.flinders.edu.au> To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: lset's Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:23:04 +0930 From: Stuart Watt Hi. I am new to the world of Andrew, and I am using the arbcon to create a simple application using an lset, buttons and a label. I have a couple of questions: 1. runadew allows me to run the application without all the ez extras. Is there any way I can run the application as a "true" stand alone application? 2. This question is related to 1. I do not wish the user to be able to modify the interface while it is running (i.e. moving lset "splits"). Can this be disabled, or should I be using another method to lay out the interface? 3. Is there an undo command? Thanking you in advance. -------------------------------------- Stuart Watt Flinders University of South Australia Phone: +61 8 201 3658 Email: watt@ist.flinders.edu.au -------------------------------------- \enddata{text822, 34920} \begindata{text822, 36784} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 943+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Stuart Watt Subject: Re: lset's In-Reply-To: <199309101153.AA29428@karl.cs.flinders.edu.au> References: <199309101153.AA29428@karl.cs.flinders.edu.au> \begindata{text,539122616} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 10-Sep-93 lset's Stuart Watt@cs.flinders. (780)} \quotation{1. runadew allows me to run the application without all the ez extras. Is there }\quotation{any way I can run the application as a "true" stand alone application? } The "Create Controller" option on the "ADEW" menu card of the arbcon will produce C code which can be compiled to make an application. \quotation{2. This question is related to 1. I do not wish the user to be able to modify }\quotation{the interface while it is running (i.e. moving lset "splits"). Can this be }\quotation{disabled, or should I be using another method to lay out the interface? } The lset class is derived from the lpair class. Therefore therefore the boundary lines can be made immovable with lset_SetMovable(ls, FALSE), where ll is the lset parent. (For a complex image with many splittings, each lset would have to have this call made on it.) \quotation{3. Is there an undo command? } Not at the present time. Fred Hansen \enddata{text,539122616} \enddata{text822, 36784} \begindata{text822, 39165} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 03:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 03:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bull.it (minerva1_int.bull.it [192.90.1.2]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id DAA11878; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 03:16:20 -0400 Received: from achille.it12.bull.it (ettore.it12.bull.it) by minerva1.bull.it with SMTP (5.65c/MAGGIO-92) id AA06896; Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:15:11 +0200 Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:15:11 +0200 Received: by achille.it12.bull.it; Mon, 13 Sep 93 07:04:09 GMT (MET) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 07:04:09 GMT From: S.Scamuzzo@it12.bull.it (Scamuzzo Stefano) Message-Id: <9309130704.AA00608@achille.it12.bull.it> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: line numbering in ez Cc: a.albini@it12.bull.it I find very practical writing c code using the ez editor. But what about direct line number referencing (like : in vi)? This is mandatory when getting error messages from the c compiler (it still can happen ...). Thank you \enddata{text822, 39165} \begindata{text822, 40630} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:59:51 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 857+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , S.Scamuzzo@it12.bull.it (Scamuzzo Stefano) Subject: Re: line numbering in ez CC: a.albini@it12.bull.it In-Reply-To: <9309130704.AA00608@achille.it12.bull.it> References: <9309130704.AA00608@achille.it12.bull.it> \begindata{text,539451356} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 13-Sep-93 line numbering in ez Scamuzzo Stefano@it12.bu (232)} \quotation{I find very practical writing c code using the ez editor. }\quotation{But what about direct line number referencing (like : in vi)? }\quotation{This is mandatory when getting error messages from the c compiler }\quotation{(it still can happen ...). }\quotation{Thank you } The built-in keybindings of '-n' and '-N' (where '' may be either the 'Escape' key, and/or the 'Alt' key (and possibly even the 'Meta' key?) - are made for this: '-n' => textview-goto-paragraph (prompts for "paragraph" number in message-line at bottom of window) '-N' =>> textview-what-paragraph (displays current "paragraph" number in message-line at bottom of window) "paragraph" - a line of text ended by an explicit new-line (as opposed to a purely visual one due to wrapping) --fish \enddata{text,539451356} \enddata{text822, 40630} \begindata{text822, 42954} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 08:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 08:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 08:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 08:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 763+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , S.Scamuzzo@it12.bull.it (Scamuzzo Stefano) Subject: Re: line numbering in ez CC: a.albini@it12.bull.it In-Reply-To: <9309130704.AA00608@achille.it12.bull.it> References: <9309130704.AA00608@achille.it12.bull.it> \begindata{text,538969976} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 13-Sep-93 line numbering in ez Scamuzzo Stefano@it12.bu (232)} \quotation{I find very practical writing c code using the ez editor. }\quotation{But what about direct line number referencing (like : in vi)? }\quotation{This is mandatory when getting error messages from the c compiler }\quotation{(it still can happen ...). } n prompts for the line number to go to (actually it prompts for a paragraph number, but it is really the same in ez. The code counts newlines). N will report the current line/paragraph number. Tom Tom Neuendorffer (tpn@andrew.cmu.edu) School of Computer Science Information Technology Center Carnegie Mellon University 3124 Wean Hall 5000 Forbes Ave. Pittsburgh, Pa. 15213-3890 Phone: (412) 268-6727 Fax: (412) 268-6787 \enddata{text,538969976} \enddata{text822, 42954} \begindata{text822, 45172} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HKUCC.HKU.HK (hkucc.hku.hk [147.8.16.1]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10939; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:38:34 -0400 Received: from hkucc.hku.hk by hkucc.hku.hk (PMDF V4.2-11 #3387) id <01H2XR2TSZ740017X8@hkucc.hku.hk>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 11:40:36 +0800 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 11:40:36 +0800 From: "NG Fung Fai, Surveying, HKU" Subject: unsubscribe To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Message-id: <01H2XR2TU1S20017X8@hkucc.hku.hk> X-Envelope-to: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu" X-VMS-Cc: HRRBNFF MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list. Thank you in advance. \enddata{text822, 45172} \begindata{text822, 46466} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:47:12 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at (neptun.kapsch.co.at [148.198.8.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id HAA01279; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:46:59 -0400 Resent-From: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:45 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:45 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09793; Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:46:43 +0200 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:46:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:46:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Fodatec Project To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Sendmessage validation failed Please help: There is a problem with sending mails from EUNet in Austria to .ca domain (Canada). Ping, finger etc. work OK, but unfortunately mails go to Austrian company CA rather than to Canada. A workaround for mailing has been: @eunet.co.at:user@host.domain.ca Unfortunately my sendmessage does not accept such kind of addressing ("Sendmessage validation failed"). Is there a way to enable it ? I'm running ATK 5.0.0 without AFS and without AMDS, under SunOS 4.1.3. -Kazio Kazimierz Zielinski, Kapsch AG, Vienna, Austria fodatec@kapsch.co.at ----------------- My AndrewSetup file: Venus: no ThisDomain: ^ ThisDomainSuffix: kapsch.co.at AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes AMS_NonViceHost: yes AMS_UseWP: no AMS_PrinterNamesInSpoolDirectories: no AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail AMS_ValidateDestHosts: yes AMS_LocalMailSystemExists: yes AMS_WSRunsQueuemail: no AMS_DeliveryViaDomainAddress: no AMS_DeliveryViaGethostbyname: yes AMS_DeliveryViaHostTable: no AMS_DeliveryViaDomainMXAddress: no AMS_AliasesValidation: no AMS_CheckDateInSeparatingFrom: yes AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom: yes AMS_ThisDomainAuthFromWS: yes AMS_WPValidation: 0 \enddata{text822, 46466} \begindata{text822, 49177} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:35:22 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id MAA13114; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:29:07 -0400 Received: from [3.10.240.61] by ns.ge.com (5.65/GE Gateway 1.15) with SMTP id AA07043; Tue, 14 Sep 93 12:23:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9309141623.AA07043@ns.ge.com> Received: by dso037.sch.ge.com(1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09775; Tue, 14 Sep 93 12:28:55 -0400 From: "Eric M. Boehm" Subject: Problems compiling Andrew 5.1 (April 1992), HP-UX 9.01 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (The Andrew Distribution ) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:28:55 -0500 (EDT) Reply-To: boehmer@dsos00.sch.ge.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3543 Hello, I am trying to compile Andrew 5.1 on an HP 9000 715/50, running HP-UX 9.01. I have already built the entire X11R5, pl25 distribution on my system. Included below are the output of "gnumake World", site.h and site.mcr Is there some patch that is needed? I have built this before on a DECsystem 5000/200, Ultrix 4.2 without much difficulty. Now, I can't get the Makefiles built. Thanks in advance. -- Eric M. Boehm GE DSO Checking that BASEDIR is not the location of the source files. Checking Destination Directories.... Checking Destination Directories.... -n -n touch install.time -n -n touch install.doc date Tue Sep 14 12:07:56 EDT 1993 make Makefiles Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/ossupport) cd ossupport; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles ./Imakefile: 7: warning- DependTarget: argument mismatch Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/inst) cd inst; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles /tmp/IIf.a09638: 5: warning- DependTarget: argument mismatch Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/config) cd config; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/overhead) cd overhead; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/overhead/genmake) cd genmake; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I../.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/overhead/sys) cd sys; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I../.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles ./Imakefile: 6: warning- DependTarget: argument mismatch Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/overhead/util) cd util; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I../.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles Making Makefiles (/wk0/src/andrew/overhead/util/hdrs) cd hdrs; \ /wk0/bin/X11/imake -Timake.tmpl -I. -I../../.././config -s Makefile -DTOPDIR=../../../.; \ touch .depends; \ cat .depends >>Makefile; \ make Makefiles Make: line 420: syntax error. Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. gnumake: *** [World] Error 1 /* CMU-local overrides to the distributed system.h file. The distributed version */ /* of this file is empty, and patches are never sent for it. */ #define BUILDANDREWINSTALL_ENV 1 #define FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV 1 #define CONTRIB_ENV 1 #define ISO80_FONTS_ENV 1 #define MK_BASIC_UTILS 1 #define MK_AUTHORING 1 #define MK_AUX_UTILS 1 #define MK_AUX_INSETS 1 #define MK_EXAMPLES 1 #define MK_METAMAIL 1 #define AMS_DELIVERY_ENV 1 /*#ifdef DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV #undef DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV #define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /usr/net/andrew #endif */ /* CMU-local overrides to the distributed system.mcr file. The distributed version */ /* of this file is empty, and patches are never sent for it. */ BASEDIR = /wk0/andrew XBASEDIR = /wk0 XINCDIR = /wk0/include XLIBDIR = /wk0/lib XBINDIR = /wk0/bin/X11 XUTILDIR = /wk0/bin/X11 \enddata{text822, 49177} \begindata{text822, 54312} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 15:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 393+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Problems compiling Andrew 5.1 (April 1992), HP-UX 9.01 In-Reply-To: <9309141623.AA07043@ns.ge.com> References: <9309141623.AA07043@ns.ge.com> \begindata{text,539729436} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-Sep-93 Problems compiling Andrew 5.. "Eric M. Boehm"@dso037.s (3543*)} \quotation{Make: line 420: syntax error. Stop. } What does that line look like in the Makefile? On a broader note, with HPUX9.01 the Andrew dynamic loading breaks. We have a work-around but it's not a simple patch and it won't be available until X11R6. Sorry for the bad news. -Gary Keim Andrew Consorium \enddata{text,539729436} \enddata{text822, 54312} \begindata{text822, 56384} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.115]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id RAA27566; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:13:57 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax_mach; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu X-Andrew-Message-Size: 4584+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Dave Gross Subject: Re: ness question CC: Bulletin Board Administration In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,23051776} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Sep-93 ness question Dave Gross@rchland.ibm.c (320)} \quotation{I am trying to create an application with adew and ness. It seems that the ness function launchApplication inserts the marker (the interface I created with arb) into a text inset. I just want it in a frame. Is there any way to do this? } There was no way to do this. I have now modified launchapplication so that if the text argument contains a single object (and the marker passed to launchapplication refers to the entire base text), then the object will be displayed without surrounding text. The diffs to atk/ness/objects/nevent1.c are below: Fred Hansen % \bold{rcsdiff -c -r1.3 -r1.4 nevent1.c} RCS file: RCS/nevent1.c,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -c -r1.3 -r1.4 *** /tmp/,RCSt1023989 Tue Sep 14 15:56:52 1993 --- /tmp/,RCSt2023989 Tue Sep 14 15:56:52 1993 *************** *** 26,31 **** --- 26,32 ---- #include #include #include + #include #include #include *************** *** 159,166 **** --- 160,171 ---- struct im *window; char *oldpgmnm; char *lastslash; + int pos, len; + struct dataobject *dobj; text = (struct text *)nessmark_GetText(m); + pos = nessmark_GetPos(m); + len = nessmark_GetLength(m); oldpgmnm = im_GetProgramName(); if (pgmnm != NULL && *pgmnm != '\\0') *************** *** 170,196 **** if (lastslash == NULL) lastslash = title; else lastslash++; ! buffer = buffer_Create(lastslash, NULL, NULL, text); if ((frame = frame_Create(buffer)) == NULL) return NULL; if ((window = im_Create(NULL)) == NULL) return NULL; im_SetView(window, frame); ! frame_PostDefaultHandler(frame, "message", frame_WantHandler(frame, "message")); message_DisplayString(frame, 0, ""); frame_SetBuffer(frame, buffer, TRUE); frame_SetCommandEnable(frame, enablecommands); ! textview = (struct textview *)frame_GetView(frame); ! textview_SetDotPosition(textview, nessmark_GetPos(m)); ! textview_SetDotLength(textview, nessmark_GetLength(m)); ! textview_FrameDot(textview, nessmark_GetPos(m)); ! textview_WantInputFocus(textview, textview); ! ness_SetDefaultText(ness, textview); ! ness_SetArbiter(ness, arbiterview_FindArb((struct view *)textview)); ! neventPost (ness, FALSE); ness_AddObserver(ness, ness); im_KeyboardProcessor(); /* DO IT - wait while user interacts*/ --- 175,221 ---- if (lastslash == NULL) lastslash = title; else lastslash++; ! ! /* create buffer. If text has exactly one object, use it instead of text */ ! dobj = (struct dataobject *)text; ! printf("pos: %d len %d textlen: %d\\n", pos, len, text_GetLength(text)); ! if (pos == 0 && len == 1 && text_GetLength(text) == 1) \{ ! struct viewref *vr = text_FindViewreference(text, 0, 1); ! printf("vr: 0x%lx\\n", vr); ! if (vr != NULL) ! dobj = vr->dataObject; ! \} ! buffer = buffer_Create(lastslash, NULL, NULL, dobj); ! if ((frame = frame_Create(buffer)) == NULL) return NULL; if ((window = im_Create(NULL)) == NULL) return NULL; im_SetView(window, frame); ! frame_PostDefaultHandler(frame, "message", ! frame_WantHandler(frame, "message")); message_DisplayString(frame, 0, ""); frame_SetBuffer(frame, buffer, TRUE); frame_SetCommandEnable(frame, enablecommands); ! if (dobj == (struct dataobject *)text) \{ ! textview = (struct textview *)frame_GetView(frame); ! textview_WantInputFocus(textview, textview); ! ness_SetArbiter(ness, arbiterview_FindArb((struct view *)textview)); ! \} ! else \{ ! struct view *v = frame_GetView(frame); ! view_WantInputFocus(v, v); ! ness_SetArbiter(ness, arbiterview_FindArb(v)); ! textview = textview_New(); ! textview_SetDataObject(textview, text); ! \} ness_SetDefaultText(ness, textview); ! textview_SetDotPosition(textview, pos); ! textview_SetDotLength(textview, len); ! textview_FrameDot(textview, pos); + neventPost (ness, FALSE); ness_AddObserver(ness, ness); im_KeyboardProcessor(); /* DO IT - wait while user interacts*/ *************** *** 197,203 **** *pPos = textview_GetDotPosition(textview); *pLen = textview_GetDotLength(textview); ! textview_Destroy(textview); im_SetProgramName(oldpgmnm); return text; \} --- 222,230 ---- *pPos = textview_GetDotPosition(textview); *pLen = textview_GetDotLength(textview); ! if (dobj != (struct dataobject *)text) \{ ! textview_Destroy(textview); ! \} im_SetProgramName(oldpgmnm); return text; \} \enddata{text,23051776} \enddata{text822, 56384} \begindata{text822, 62693} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from craig.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:01:02 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from craig.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 08:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.craig.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.craig.transarc.com.pmax_3; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 08:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8gZl4lb0Bww3AI=mcF@transarc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 08:57:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 728+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Fodatec Project Subject: Re: Sendmessage validation failed In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,18910344} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 14-Sep-93 Sendmessage validation failed Fodatec Project@harare.k (1145)} \quotation{A workaround for mailing has been: }\quotation{ @eunet.co.at:user@host.domain.ca } \quotation{Unfortunately my sendmessage does not accept such kind of addressing }\quotation{("Sendmessage validation failed"). Is there a way to enable it ? } Sure--rewrite it as an RFC-822 route-address, complete with angle-brackets: <@eunet.co.at:user@host.domain.ca> The validation fails because of the syntax error in what it needs to be an RFC-822 address. This still isn't 100% RFC-822 conformant (because it omits having a word outside the angle-brackets, but it will get by the parser fine. Not only that, but that omission is OK by RFC-1123. Craig \enddata{text,18910344} \enddata{text822, 62693} \begindata{text822, 64970} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 11:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id LAA09161; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 11:12:51 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0024; Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:11:17 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for susan+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:10:05 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:09:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:09:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix3; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:09:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4gZn0e091IowNyt4UL@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:09:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 636+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Robert Andrew Ryan , Gary Keim Subject: Re: Proposed change to directory structure.... Cc: Susan Straub , "Andrew C. Plotkin" In-Reply-To: References: <8gXXbDU91IowFJW3IU@rchland.ibm.com> \begindata{text,539639720} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 14-Sep-93 Re: Proposed change to dire.. Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (412+0)} \quotation{Personally, I'd be against it. Ness is not necessary to run EZ and so shouldn't be part of the base system. We want a small base system that provides the basics of word processing. } I agree. ATK does not \italic{require} an extension language to be useful. It is a nice addition, though, and so it should be packaged as such. It will probably be very difficult deciding exactly which insets/extensions should belong in ATK Lite. We need to walk a fine line between keeping it small, keeping it interesting, and keeping it stable. -todd inglett \enddata{text,539639720} \enddata{text822, 64970} \begindata{text822, 67690} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.115]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id OAA19633; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:29:54 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax_mach; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew Subject: Andrew Consortium Offices Moving The Consortium offices will be moving to a new location on campus later this week. Our new address will be: Andrew Consortium School of Computer Science BOM-D 242 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 Our machines (as well as access) will be taken down the evening of the 15th - Wednesday. We hope to be back on the net by Friday, but don't be surprised if we don't return your call/email/etc. until early next week. Our user id's and phone numbers will remain the same. Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 67690} \begindata{text822, 69360} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id QAA24840; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:13:05 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2727; Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:11:29 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:59 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 952+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: figure text size Cc: Bboard Service \begindata{text,539376128} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} Has anyone else noticed that the font used in \bold{figure} (for text items) is drawn on the screen 2 points bigger than what you've selected? This is especially disconcerting when you go to \bold{\italic{print}} it, and the printer DOES use the font size you'd selected \footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,539590656} \textdsversion{12} \define{bold menu:[Font~1,Bold~10] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]} \define{italic menu:[Font~1,Italic~11] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} wow, \bold{\italic{that's}} a switch, eh? :-)\ \enddata{fnote,539590656} \view{fnotev,539590656,8,0,0}} and therefore looks nothing like what you thought you were going to get. \smaller{Yes, I know the difference between WYSIWYG and WYSLRN, that's not the issue here. Forget about printing for now. My point is that when I select "Text", and the "andysans" family, and a font size of "8", I am clearly getting andysans\bold{\bigger{10}} displayed on the screen! When I ask for a font size of "10", andysans\bold{\bigger{12}} gets displayed on the screen! \bold{The 'Sample' displayed in the toolset DOES NOT MATCH what gets displayed in the figure itself!!!} I poked around in the code a bit, and couldn't find anything that would explain this unusual behavior. Any ideas??? } (ATK 5.2.3, Class-C version) \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539376128} \enddata{text822, 69360} \begindata{text822, 73585} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8158;andrew.cmu.edu;David Anderson Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:39:09 -0400 (EDT) From: David Anderson X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1664+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: figure text size CC: Robert Kemmetmueller In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539380260} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{black menu:[Color,Black] attr:['color' 'Black']} \define{red menu:[Color,Red] attr:['color' 'Red']} \define{green menu:[Color,Green] attr:['color' 'Green']} \define{blue menu:[Color,Blue] attr:['color' 'Blue']} \define{magenta menu:[Color,Magenta] attr:['color' 'Magenta']} \define{cyan menu:[Color,Cyan] attr:['color' 'Cyan']} \define{yellow menu:[Color,Yellow] attr:['color' 'Yellow']} \indent{My point is that when I select "Text", and the "andysans" family, and a font size of "8", I am clearly getting andysans\bold{\bigger{10}} displayed on the screen! }Hmm. This magic factor of +2 reminds me of this code in xfontdesc_LoadXFont: \typewriter{\smaller{ if (strncmp(andyfamily, "andy", 4) == 0) \{ \bold{\italic{fudge = 2};} if (andyfamily[4] == '\\0') \{ xfamily = "times"; \} else if (strcmp(andyfamily+4, "sans") == 0) \{ xfamily = "helvetica"; \} else if (strcmp(andyfamily+4, "type") == 0) \{ xfamily = "courier"; \} else if (strcmp(andyfamily+4, "symbol") == 0) \{ xfamily = "symbol"; \} else \{ xfamily = andyfamily; \bold{fudge = 0;} \} \} else \{ xfamily = andyfamily; \bold{fudge = 0}; \} ... sprintf(xstyleName, "-*-%s-%s-%s-*-*-*-%d-*-*-%s-*-*-*", xfamily, weight, slant, 10 * (\bold{\italic{desiredSize + fudge}}), spacing); }} I'll confess that I wrote this code, but the fudge factor is far older that this version of the code. I haven't tried to analyze what figure is doing, but wanted to make sure everyone was aware of this +2 business in xfontd.c. (This was done in the wm days to try to get the on-screen font appearance to better correspond to the printed appearance, on the ITC's 90dpi displays with 75dpi fonts. I kept it so that existing documents wouldn't suddenly change in strange ways. Sigh.) How about if you ask for helvetica8 and helvetica10. Do they work any better? This fudge factor only applies to andy-ish font names. \begindata{text,541857212} \textdsversion{12} \template{default} \define{global attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]} \define{itemize menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{enumerate menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]} \define{programexample menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0] attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set] attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{literal menu:[Region~4,Literal~62] attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]} \define{black menu:[Color,Black] attr:['color' 'Black']} \define{red attr:['color' 'Red']} \define{green attr:['color' 'Green']} \define{blue attr:['color' 'Blue']} \define{magenta menu:[Color,Magenta] attr:['color' 'Magenta']} \define{cyan menu:[Color,Cyan] attr:['color' 'Cyan']} \define{yellow attr:['color' 'Yellow']} \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{bits attr:[FontFamily bits Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 1]} \define{orange attr:['color' 'Orange']} \bits{\red{}\magenta{} \red{}\magenta{} \red{}\magenta{}\blue{} \red{}\magenta{}\blue{} \red{}\magenta{}\blue{} \red{}\magenta{}\blue{} \magenta{}\blue{} \magenta{}\blue{} \magenta{}\blue{}\green{} \magenta{}\blue{}\green{} \magenta{}\blue{}\green{} }\enddata{text,541857212} \view{textview,541857212,54,0,0} \enddata{text,539380260} \enddata{text822, 73585} \begindata{text822, 79523} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 21:36:57 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 21:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 21:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 21:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 519+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: fonts (was re: figure text size) In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538754908} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Speaking of fonts... I've been thinking that it's about time we started using xlfd (X Logical Font Description) font names. Certainly the old style names will have to be supported, but the new style should be preferred. The XLFD seems reasonable for even non-X fonts as far as I have seen. The main work would involve updating fontdesc_ExplodeFontName to understand XLFD names in addition to the "Andrew conventions." Does anyone have any comments or objections? Thanks for any info, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538754908} \enddata{text822, 79523} \begindata{text822, 81347} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 11:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.20.103]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id LAA08258; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 11:15:16 -0400 Received: from cairo.pp.pdx.edu (pp.pdx.edu) by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.30 id AA29138; Thu, 16 Sep 93 08:15:14 PDT Received: from london.pp.pdx.edu by cairo.pp.pdx.edu (5.65/pdx-client-evision: 1.18 id AA00272; Thu, 16 Sep 93 08:11:59 -0700 Received: from athens.pp.pdx.edu.archlan by london.pp.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-client-evision: 1.21 id AA19383; Thu, 16 Sep 93 08:18:40 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 08:18:40 PDT From: lrc@london.pp.pdx.edu (Russ Cooley) Message-Id: <9309161518.AA19383@london.pp.pdx.edu> To: Info-Andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Info Gathering-for High School Teachers I am attempting to gather information on Multimedia technics, ie teleconferencing, jpeg, mpeg, gif, etc... that would enhance a learning environment for both teachers and students. I have just started the long trek of tapping into a variety of resources. If it is not a lot of work or hassle, I would appreciate any information or resource to tap into related to this subject. Thank you for your help. L. Russ Cooley E-mail: lrc@london.pp.pdx.edu \enddata{text822, 81347} \begindata{text822, 83184} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from lincoln.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lincoln.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.lincoln.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.lincoln.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:15:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 734+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Update: Andrew 5.1 (April 1992), HP-UX 9.01 In-Reply-To: References: <9309141623.AA07043@ns.ge.com> \begindata{text,540068788} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 16-Sep-93 Update: Andrew 5.1 (April 1.. Eric M. Boehm@dso037.sch (2120)} \quotation{ CLASSPATH=/wk0/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH; \\ }\quotation{ WMHOST=; \\ }\quotation{ /wk0/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessauth.d) }\quotation{ /bin/sh: 7462 Terminated } \quotation{I had to kill the make because it was hung. } This is an example of the broken dynamic loader under HPUX9.xx. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 16-Sep-93 Update: Andrew 5.1 (April 1.. Eric M. Boehm@dso037.sch (2120)} \quotation{I then received the following errors: } \quotation{ doindex: indexing helloa.do ... }\quotation{ doload: error loading helloa.do from helloa.do }\quotation{ errno 13 } Check helloa.do. I bet it doesn't have the execute bit set. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,540068788} \enddata{text822, 83184} \begindata{text822, 85432} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id PAA19902; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:06:41 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9170; Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:05:11 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:52:27 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:52:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:51:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:51:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 13:51:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2028+2 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: fonts (was re: figure text size) In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539376128} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{global } \define{footnote attr:[Flags OverBar Int Set] attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]} \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 15-Sep-93 fonts (was re: figure text .. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (519+0)} \quotation{I've been thinking that it's about time we started using xlfd (X Logical Font Description) font names. Certainly the old style names will have to be supported, but the new style should be preferred. } This is only superficially related, but could the FixedWidth style attribute just Go Away? All it does is confuse people. Quite a few people get the impression that it will actually make the font fixed-width, but all it \italic{really} does it put an ``f'' at the end of the font name requested from X. But there IS no "andy12f" or "andysans12f" font... \bigger{In every case, the ``f'' is either \italic{\underline{pointless}} \smaller{\smaller{(if the family is "andy" or "andysans")}}, \italic{\underline{redundant}} \smaller{\smaller{(if the family is "andytype")}}, or \italic{\underline{undesirable}} \smaller{\smaller{(like when you ask for "andy15f" and get "rom17", which means bold and italic become no-ops)}}. } The only way to get a fixed-width font is to set the family to "andytype"; why not just make that fact obvious by removing the red herring? \begindata{bp,539341952} \enddata{bp,539341952} \view{bpv,539341952,16,0,0} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 15-Sep-93 Re: figure text size David Anderson@andrew.cm (1664+1)} \quotation{How about if you ask for helvetica8 and helvetica10. Do they work any better? This fudge factor only applies to andy-ish font names. } Interesting idea, but \bold{figure} is hardcoded to only give you the option of "andy.." fonts \footnote{\ \begindata{fnote,540816128} \textdsversion{12} which is GOOD; I'm NOT complaining here (at least, not for now. If Rob's idea about other naming conventions being handled gets implemented, an entry should be added. But not 'til then). I'm just too lazy to compile my own figure object to try it out.\ \enddata{fnote,540816128} \view{fnotev,540816128,18,0,0}}. Hmm, looking at that algorithm in \italic{xfontd.c} makes me wonder ``So why do we have six zillion \bold{\italic{explicit}} "andy.." aliases in the font path?''. \smaller{(Which, by the way, \italic{also} have the +2 fudge factor wired into them)} Oh, now I remember-- our site mixes 'n' matches 'n' interleaves fonts from different DPI families, to get a more filled-out range of available sizes. Oh, and lest we forget my original point, the question still remains as to why \bold{figure}'s "Sample" box displays a different font than the actual \italic{figure} does. \smaller{(I mean, be they buggy or not, both oughta be making the \bold{\underline{\bigger{same}}} X font calls , right??)} \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539376128} \enddata{text822, 85432} \begindata{text822, 91237} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id SAA00531; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:49:13 -0400 Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12314(1)>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:48:52 PDT Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <16134>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:48:49 -0700 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:48:46 PDT Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: Info-Andrew , "Robert Kemmetmueller" Subject: Re: fonts (was re: figure text size) In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from ext.andrew: 16-Sep-93 Re: fonts (was re: figure t.. Robert Kemmetmueller@rch (2028+2) > In every case, the ``f'' is either pointless (if the family is "andy" or > "andysans"), redundant (if the family is "andytype"), or undesirable > (like when you ask for "andy15f" and get "rom17", which means bold and > italic become no-ops). Well, yes, if you use only those fonts, but I happen to use lucidasans12, lucidasans12b, lucidasans12i, lucidasans12bi, lucidasans12f, lucidasans12bf, etc. Of course, these are just aliases: the fixed-width lucida fonts are really *-lucidasanstypewriter-*. Bill \enddata{text822, 91237} \begindata{text822, 93497} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanumea.cs.flinders.edu.au (nanumea.cs.flinders.edu.au [129.96.46.110]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id IAA01719; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:18:36 -0400 Received: by nanumea.cs.flinders.edu.au id AA01013 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 21:48:57 +0930 Message-Id: <199309171218.AA01013@nanumea.cs.flinders.edu.au> To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Runadew... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 21:48:56 +0930 From: Stuart Watt I was wondering if there is some way to specify that the runadew window cannot be resized (or that my application window inside runadew cannot be resized) I want to be able to specify this in my application code (i.e. like one can in Motif using XtSetArg and XtSetValues). Can anyone please enlighten me! :) Thanks -------------------------------------- Stuart Watt Flinders University of South Australia Phone: +61 8 201 3658 Email: watt@ist.flinders.edu.au -------------------------------------- \enddata{text822, 93497} \begindata{text822, 95109} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 10:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id KAA06695; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 10:35:29 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3559; Fri, 17 Sep 93 10:33:58 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:32:41 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:32:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:32:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:32:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <8gaQdtc91Iow16BKU5@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:32:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2940+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: fonts In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539109632} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{italic menu:[Font~1,Italic~11] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 15-Sep-93 fonts (was re: figure text .. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (519+0)} \quotation{I've been thinking that it's about time we started using xlfd (X Logical Font Description) font names. Certainly the old style names will have to be supported, but the new style should be preferred. The XLFD seems reasonable for even non-X fonts as far as I have seen. The main work would involve updating fontdesc_ExplodeFontName to understand XLFD names in addition to the "Andrew conventions." } Yes, this is a very good idea. However, I doubt that any users will want to specify fonts in the ugly XLFD format. It would be nice if the Andrew font naming convention would still be supported (of course that's needed for compatibility, too). The Andrew style name would be parsed directly into the XLFD format. The fontname parser would also allow literal XLFD names, too. For example courier12b would map to -*-courier-bold-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*. Let the X server figure out what to do with that. The andrew naming convention could be extended to allow some of the other attributes to be specified as well without requiring the user to use the ugly XLFD names. For example adobe:courier12b could represent -adobe-courier-bold-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 16-Sep-93 Re: fonts (was re: figure t.. Robert Kemmetmueller@rch (2028+2)} \quotation{This is only superficially related, but could the FixedWidth style attribute just Go Away? All it does is confuse people. Quite a few people get the impression that it will actually make the font fixed-width, but all it \italic{really} does it put an ``f'' at the end of the font name requested from X. But there IS no "andy12f" or "andysans12f" font... } Actually, I think the fixed width attribute is a good idea. The problem seems to be that font foundries do not consider it to be an attribute of fonts (warning: I'm no font expert!). Let me rephrase that: the proportional/monospaced is considered an attribute, but the font foundaries do not typically ship a given font in both formats. Instead, they ship two fonts. For example, there exist two fonts named "lucida" and "lucidatypewriter". I personally think that there should be one font, "lucida," that comes in both proportional and monospaced forms: -*-lucida-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-p-*-*-* -*-lucida-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-m-*-*-* But that is not the case. Could ATK's new fontname parser solve this problem? Could it solve this problem without requiring a zillion X font aliases? For the above example we would need some rule that maps lucida/monospaced to lucidatypewriter/proportional. I also think we need other font substitution rules. For example a rule that says "if you can't find a family called Andy, try Times Roman instead," would be extremely useful. Pull these rules out into a font rules file if you can. Also, each font needs a rule to map it to a printer font.... -todd inglett \enddata{text,539109632} \enddata{text822, 95109} \begindata{text822, 100320} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muffin.atk.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muffin.atk.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muffin.atk.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.muffin.atk.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 18:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 692+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Spelling check in ez In-Reply-To: <1993Sep15.153433.32487@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <1993Sep15.153433.32487@mp.cs.niu.edu> \begindata{text,539459844} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 15-Sep-93 Spelling check in ez yuan tzeng@mp.cs.niu.edu (184)} \quotation{How can I make ez find my ispell? (ez always responses "could not }\quotation{start ispell). } Which version of ispell. I believe versions 3 and earlier work OK, so I predict that you have version 4. Each time a new version comes out, we have to change our parsing because it's not backward compatible. Shesh. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium PS - when you bring up ispell -a and type "the", what is displayed, exactly: > ispell -v @(#) Ispell Version 2.0.02, May 1987 Beta posting > ispell -a the * We do this as a sort of rendezvous test and expect to find that '*'. If we don't, error. \enddata{text,539459844} \enddata{text822, 100320} \begindata{text822, 102683} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 6703;pitt.edu;James Ralston Crawford Received: from pitt.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 16:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meg.cislabs.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 16:37:16 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from meg.cislabs.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 16:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.meg.cislabs.pitt.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.meg.cislabs.pitt.edu.sun4_41; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 16:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 16:30:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James Ralston Crawford X-Andrew-Message-Size: 980+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Spelling check in ez CC: Gary Keim In-Reply-To: References: <1993Sep15.153433.32487@mp.cs.niu.edu> \begindata{text,2175944} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{quotation menu:[Region~4,Quotation~10] attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \define{excerptedcaption attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768] attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768] attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set] attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from dl.info-andrew: 17-Sep-93 Re: Spelling check in ez Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (692+0)} \quotation{I believe versions 3 and earlier work OK. } I can confirm that version 3 works OK; we've been testing it here for several months now, and I've never had any problems. Andrew could be smarter about contractions in the text stream it passes to ispell, though. If I spell-check the word \italic{shouldn't}, Andrew gives the two separate words \italic{shouldn} and \italic{t} to ispell, which then (correctly) thinks the word \italic{shouldn} is misspelled. I'm not sure about ispell version 2 or 4, but ispell version 3 is aware of virtually all contractions and will "do the right thing." So at least for version 3, Andrew should consider\typewriter{\smaller{\bold{ [A-Za-z]+'[A-Za-z]+ }}}as just one word. Regards, James \typewriter{\smaller{-- James Ralston Crawford \\ qralston+@pitt.edu \\ Systems and Networks [CIS] University of Pittsburgh \\ 600 Epsilon Drive \\ Pittsburgh PA 15238-2887 "Computer, you and I need to have a little talk." - O'Brien, ST:DS9 }}\enddata{text,2175944} \enddata{text822, 102683} \begindata{text822, 105645} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 18:33:07 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2192+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew-Bugs , Info-Andrew Subject: window and view unlinking/destruction \begindata{text,538771176} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Note, if you're not concerned with the internal working of the toolkit you'll probably want to skip this message. Currently the mechanism for cleaning up when destroying a window is problematic in some situations. In particular a core leak occurs if a view tree containing one or more lpairs is under the im, and the other views are destroyed after the im. The real nitty-gritty is that lpair does an UnlinkTree call on each of it's children, which causes a LinkTree to be propagated to their children. This causes the sub views' graphics to be inserted into their parents' graphics. In the process an "UpdateBlock" is searched for or created for the X window. If the im is destroyed after the view this is no problem, but if the im has already been destroyed the "UpdateBlock" will be leaked. The specific instance which prompted this post was the printer options dialog box. (popts in contrib/mit/util) Solutions: 1. Always destroy a window with a sequence like: im_SetView(im, NULL); /* code to destroy all the views goes here*/ im_Destroy(im); 2. Disallow UnlinkTree or LinkTree calls in the FinalizeObject methods of subclasses of view. (This would leave dangling pointers from some views to their now deceased parent.) Also, unless care is exercised to always call UnlinkTree before destroying the view any code interested in when a view is linked in or out will have to watch for the destruction. It could be difficult to locate all of these calls since some calls may not be directly in FinalizeObject, but in another function called by FinalizeObject. 3. Remove the view_UnLinkTree call from the xim_FinalizeObject method. Once again code interested in when a view is linked in or out, would have to watch for the destruction. Then the sequence to delete a window would be: /* code to destroy all the views goes here*/ im_Destroy(im) 4. Add reference counting to the UpdateBlocks and other per window/display structures in xgraphic, so that when all the views referencing a block are destroyed the block will be freed. I personally favor 1 or 3. (Since they yield the least change needed in the toolkit...) Any comments? Thanks, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538771176} \enddata{text822, 105645} \begindata{text822, 109123} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 10:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chx400.switch.ch (chx400.switch.ch [130.59.1.2]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id KAA04691; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 10:57:48 -0400 From: e.gonzalez-juarros@cen.jrc.it Received: from jrc.jrc.it by chx400.switch.ch with SMTP (PP) id <27307-0@chx400.switch.ch>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:57:37 +0200 Received: from sol.ei.jrc.it by cen.jrc.it; Tue, 21 Sep 93 16:54:23 +0200 Received: by sol.ei.jrc.it (4.1/JRC-S-1.2) id AA03631; Tue, 21 Sep 93 16:56:58 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.sol.sol.ei.jrc.it.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.sol.sol.ei.jrc.it.sun4_41; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:56:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <0gblMuO=jlCG4C28Vf@sol.sol.ei.jrc.it> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:56:58 +0200 (MET DST) X-Andrew-Message-Size: 264+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Spelling check in ez In-Reply-To: References: <1993Sep15.153433.32487@mp.cs.niu.edu> \begindata{text,2275624} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from X.andrew.info: 17-Sep-93 Re: Spelling check in ez Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (697)} \quotation{Which version of ispell. I believe versions 3 and earlier work OK, so I }\quotation{predict that you have version 4. } GNU Ispell, version 4.0. works fine with ATK 5.2.1 here. \enddata{text,2275624} \enddata{text822, 109123} \begindata{text822, 111196} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 442+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Spelling check in ez In-Reply-To: References: <1993Sep15.153433.32487@mp.cs.niu.edu> \begindata{text,539367944} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 21-Sep-93 Re: Spelling check in ez Colin Shorter@st.nepean. (1173)} \quotation{(colin)/usr/andrew 41>ispell -a }\quotation{@(#) International Ispell Version 3.0.09 (beta), 01/10/92 }\quotation{the }\quotation{* } Here it is. The difference between version 2.x and 3.x is that the banner string is output even when -a is used in 3.x but not in previous versions. Our current, unreleased, code can deal with this. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539367944} \enddata{text822, 111196} \begindata{text822, 113432} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 18:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 18:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id SAA02364; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 18:33:13 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3040; Fri, 24 Sep 93 18:31:40 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:32:52 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:32:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:32:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 877+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: menu masks In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539757056} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{global } \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} I was just poking around in the \bold{bind} class, and it occurred to me: How come the "mask" is for the \italic{menu}, instead of \italic{the proc itself}? Think about it. If a user binds their own menu to "textview-zap-region", that menu appears \italic{all the time} \smaller{(because they couldn't specify a mask on the "addmenu" line, but that's another topic)}. If the mask were associated \italic{with the proc itself}, the custom menu item wouldn't show up if there were nothing to cut. Need more examples? Custom "Paste" menus, filter procs, and inset insertion menus that show up even when the buffer is readonly. At this site, we bind a "Window" and "Buffer" card in global.ezinit, with items like "New Window" and "List Buffers" on them. These annoying little puppies show up even in frames where frame commands have been \italic{disabled}. etc etc Just thinking out loud... \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539757056} \enddata{text822, 113432} \begindata{text822, 117160} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7612;andrew.cmu.edu;Andrew-Tool-Kit Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:39:50 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:39:50 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: Andrew-Tool-Kit ReSent-To: Info-Andrew X-Added: With Flames (ak99 v2.2) Return-path: Date: 25 Sep 93 05:16 GMT From: SYLLABUS.EDT@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Syllabus Press, Editorial Dept,PAS) Subject: Best Products Nomination To: INFO-ANDREW-REQUEST@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Message-Id: <748934377.9923853@AppleLink.Apple.COM> I'm trying to get some Internet exposure for this survey on the best hardware and software products for higher education. 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We need to receive your response no later than October 1, 1993 to include your suggestions in our "Best Products" issue. \enddata{text822, 117160} \begindata{text822, 129929} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:42:25 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com (ninet.research.att.com [192.20.225.3]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id UAA04675; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:39:15 -0400 Received: by research.att.com; Tue Sep 28 20:40 EDT 1993 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fugue.tempo.att.com..sun4.41 via MS.5.6.fugue.tempo.att.com..sun4_41; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 20:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Christian Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: fonts in andrew 5.1 Is there any way to reduce the amount of white space separating lines of text on screen? -Chip \enddata{text822, 129929} \begindata{text822, 131492} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuhainf.fernuni-hagen.de (fuhainf.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.64.1]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id GAA00637; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:42:10 -0400 Received: from ES-sun1.lg-es (ES-sun1.fernuni-hagen.de) by fuhainf.fernuni-hagen.de (4.1/SMI-4.1-fu-ha) id AA25090; Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:41:51 +0100 Received: from ES-sun2.lg-es by ES-sun1.lg-es (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05019; Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:42:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:42:11 +0100 From: fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de (Johann Friedrich Heinrichmeyer) Message-Id: <9309291042.AA05019@ES-sun1.lg-es> Received: by ES-sun2.lg-es (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14498; Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:39:31 +0100 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: imake hell on sparc sunos 4.1.3 The andrew-make on a sparc sunos 4.1.3 is a hell: i found out that CC = gcc -traditional helps a lot but: 1. the Makefile in andrew/atk/basics/common goes wrong, it forgets to produce the object files for shared libs. 2. libutil.a and some others will not be installed (doing it with make Install in the right directories helps a little ) 3. doindex for making shareable modules dumps core. do i have the wrong make? Did the make go more easy under Linux? Fritz Heinrichmeyer Tel.: 02371/566-243 FernUniversitaet Hagen FAX: 02371/52212 Lehrgebiet ES EMAIL: fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de Frauenstuhlweg 31 58644 Iserlohn Germany \enddata{text822, 131492} \begindata{text822, 133506} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.115]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id PAA24450; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:57:24 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax_mach; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:56:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , Chip Christian Subject: Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 28-Sep-93 fonts in andrew 5.1 Chip Christian@allegra.a (99*) > Is there any way to reduce the amount of white space separating lines of > text on screen? > -Chip You could copy default.template to a privatedirectory on your atktemplatepath list (in prefernces). Then use the style editor to modify it to change the interline spacing. Beware. The above will also change the interline spacing on paper. Fred Hansen \enddata{text822, 133506} \begindata{text822, 135282} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from karl.cs.flinders.edu.au (karl.cs.flinders.edu.au [129.96.44.3]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id EAA24538; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:51:36 -0400 Received: by karl.cs.flinders.edu.au id AA04763 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:22:03 +0930 Message-Id: <199309300852.AA04763@karl.cs.flinders.edu.au> To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Changing button labels at run time... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:22:03 +0930 From: Stuart Watt I am writing a small application with a couple of buttons embedded in an lset. I want to be able to click on one of the buttons and have a label change on one of the other buttons, but am having trouble. I am trying to use value_SetString but am having problems accessing the correct field to change. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you in anticipation :) -------------------------------------- Stuart Watt Flinders University of South Australia Phone: +61 8 201 3658 Email: watt@ist.flinders.edu.au -------------------------------------- \enddata{text822, 135282} \begindata{text822, 136947} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 07:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 07:02:24 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 07:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id HAA00870; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 07:00:56 -0400 Received: from hatti4.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA12616; Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:00:53 +0100 Received: by hatti4 (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA02242; Thu, 30 Sep 93 12:00:49 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti4.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti4.pmax_ul4; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:00:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:00:45 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: HTML version of text? In-Reply-To: References: Question repeated, is there anything useful out there yet, or is it neces= sary to start writing ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Christer Bern=E9rus, SM6FBQ !E-mail: bernerus@cs.chalmers.se Chalmers University of Technology ! Phone: +46 31 7721036 Department of Computer Science S-412 96 Gothenburg, SWEDEN = \enddata{text822, 136947} \begindata{text822, 139043} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from barney.cs.city.ac.uk (barney.cs.city.ac.uk [138.40.91.8]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id JAA03639; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:00:29 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.barney.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.barney.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4_41; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:02:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:02:40 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Williams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: HTML version of text? In-Reply-To: References: I have a html/htmlview object based on text. This works on HTML (not HTML+), and is fairly stable: we use it to write all of our web documents here (see "http://web.cs.city.ac.uk/"). I'm going to tidy up the internals of the code and fix some of the bugs over the weekend, so I'll release an alpha/beta copy for people to play with on Monday. Nick Nick Williams E-mail: njw@cs.city.ac.uk (MIME and ATK) Systems Architecture Research Centre, Tel: +44 71 477 8551 London, EC1V 0HB Fax: +44 71 477 8587 \enddata{text822, 139043} \begindata{text822, 141133} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 91;andrew.cmu.edu;Tom Neuendorffer Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 10:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from highland.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 10:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.highland.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8geirca00hYSQCymgG@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Neuendorffer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 737+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: watt@cs.flinders.edu.au Subject: Re: Changing button labels at run time... CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <199309300852.AA04763@karl.cs.flinders.edu.au> References: <199309300852.AA04763@karl.cs.flinders.edu.au> \begindata{text,538984260} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 30-Sep-93 Changing button labels at r.. Stuart Watt@cs.flinders. (548)} \quotation{I am writing a small application with a couple of buttons embedded in an lset. }\quotation{I want to be able to click on one of the buttons and have a label change on one }\quotation{of the other buttons, but am having trouble. I am trying to use value_SetString }\quotation{but am having problems accessing the correct field to change. } What you need to do is change the "label" attribute of the cel that contains the value. An explanation, including an example that does exactly what you want, can be found in the Adew reference manual ($ANDREWDIR/doc/adew/RefMan.doc) . Look at section 7.2 entitled "Dynamically changing valueview attributes ". Tom \enddata{text,538984260} \enddata{text822, 141133} \begindata{text822, 143304} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id NAA16819; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:32:50 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9217; Thu, 30 Sep 93 13:31:05 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:30:07 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from coredump.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.coredump.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:29:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1173+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Chip Christian Subject: Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539810304} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{global } \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 29-Sep-93 Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (463)} \quotation{Then use the style editor to }\quotation{modify it to change the interline spacing. } (And don't forget to change the "\bold{paragraph} spacing", too; "line spacing" only affects the wrapped parts of lines.) These \underline{already} default to zero, though, so you'd have to make them \italic{negative} to further reduce the vertical spacing. This can have some pretty ugly effects if you get carried away. Basically, blame your installed fonts. With the default settings of zero, the textview goes by the bounding box defined by the font itself. If you don't like what happens when you use \italic{negative} line/para-spacing values, your alternative is to find some fonts defined with closer tolerances. \smaller{(The lucidasanstypewriter family is awesome for source code and typescripts. The usual "non-andy-font caveats" apply so I don't recommend it for general use with messages, or *.BodyFont, but it's great in a few select templates. Check it out if you've got it at your site.)} \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,539810304} \enddata{text822, 143304} \begindata{text822, 147528} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com (ninet.research.att.com [192.20.225.3]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id NAA19309; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:52:34 -0400 Received: by research.att.com; Thu Sep 30 13:53 EDT 1993 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gargoyle.tempo.att.com..sun4.41 via MS.5.6.gargoyle.tempo.att.com..sun4_41; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <0gelnDj02mCPA5o2Id@gargoyle.tempo.att.com.> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Schell X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1121+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Chip Christian , Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,1665304} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} We're still having problems reducing the default inter-line spacing in Andrew 5.1. Editing the default style with the style editor as suggested below only seems to allow you to increase the spacing (inter-line spacing 0 is the current wide spacing). Setting the spacing to negative values only makes the text disappear. Perhaps this is a font problem? When we went a new version of Andrew a few revisions back, the fonts all changed and this problem came up. Any clues? Thanks, Bill Schell bill@allegra.att.com AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ \begindata{bp,1584888} \enddata{bp,1584888} \view{bpv,1584888,0,0,0} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 29-Sep-93 Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (472)} \quotation{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 28-Sep-93 fonts in andrew 5.1 }\quotation{Chip Christian@allegra.a (99*) } \quotation{> Is there any way to reduce the amount of white space separating lines of }\quotation{> text on screen? } \quotation{> -Chip } \quotation{You could copy default.template to a privatedirectory on your }\quotation{atktemplatepath list (in prefernces). Then use the style editor to }\quotation{modify it to change the interline spacing. } \quotation{Beware. The above will also change the interline spacing on paper. } \quotation{Fred Hansen } \enddata{text,1665304} \enddata{text822, 147528} \begindata{text822, 150488} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.115]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id PAA22914; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:23:46 -0400 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.pmax_mach; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1560+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Bill Schell Subject: Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <0gelnDj02mCPA5o2Id@gargoyle.tempo.att.com.> References: <0gelnDj02mCPA5o2Id@gargoyle.tempo.att.com.> \begindata{text,22871936} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 30-Sep-93 Re: fonts in andrew 5.1 Bill Schell@allegra.att. (1121+1)} \quotation{increase the spacing (inter-line spacing 0 is the current wide spacing). Setting the spacing to negative values only makes the text disappear. } Sigh. I should test everything before I send it out. Right at the moment I cannot even edit the inter-line spacing because of an error in our in-house version of AUIS. The basic problem of interline spacing arises from the fonts you are now using. If you use our standard distribution, you are probably now using the X11 fonts, even though we still ship the Andrew fonts with the rest of the source. The X11 fonts have large heights because of a few ascenders or descenders. If you switch back to the AUIS fonts, the problem should disappear again. You could make the change by some combination of 'xset fp ...' commands. If you really want to work at this problem, you can probably edit the bdf form of the X11 fonts to change the default interline spacing. Here is a semi-typical bdffont heading: SIZE 10 78 78 FONTBOUNDINGBOX 67 109 -17 -89 STARTPROPERTIES 13 Ownership " " FONT_ASCENT 20 FONT_DESCENT 89 DEFAULT_CHAR 48 DEFAULT_WIDTH 0 DEFAULT_HEIGHT 0 DEFAULT_X 0 DEFAULT_Y 0 DEFAULT_DX 0 DEFAULT_DY 0 Presumably you would change the values for the some combination of the properties FONTBOUNDINGBOX, FONT_ASCENT, FONT_DESCENT, DEFAULT_HEIGHT, DEFAULT_Y, DEFAULT_DY. It may be easier to live with white-space. Fred Hansen\ \enddata{text,22871936} \enddata{text822, 150488}