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Since building Andrew 5.1 on sun4c_41 running afs31b, we've been
experiencing frequent, but sporadic problems in reading new mail from a
user's home-area Mailbox. 
When attempting to read new mail, a pop-up window reports, "Messages in
/afs/alw.nih.gov/dcrt/userid_here/Mailbox could not be properly read and
delivered (0 successes, 0 failures (0 locked, 0 in progress))".  The
message window at the bottom of the screen says, "Error: Bogus return
from system call (in system in ProcessNewMesssages)". 
When this problem occurs, the user's setup appears fine--tokens are
present, quotas are well below limits, etc.  What's odd, though, is that
the  occurrence of this problem is linked to a host, rather than to a
specific user.  That is, when one user experiences difficulty reading
new mail from a particular workstation, everybody who logs into that
workstation sees the same problem.  Yet the workstation setup looks
normal.  Many different workstations (all with nearly identical setups)
have been experiencing this problem. 
An automatic bug report generated from messages on a disfunctioning
workstation consistently shows only one peculiarity:  a warning always
indicates the presence of an open messages file in /tmp, as shown below: 
    Here are the open files known to the file descriptor plumber: 
    ---------------------------------------- 
    <warning:fdplumb>File '/tmp/oecs5xi0ts190kEU85' (opened by fopen) is
    still open. 
    <warning:fdplumb>Total of 1 open files.      
Oddly, a directory listing of /tmp shows no such file, which leads one
to believe that messages is attempting to use /tmp for some sort of
temporary storage during new mail processing, and that the transaction
is unsuccessful. 
This problem persists for hours or days at a time, then disappears. 
If anyone has clue what might be causing this problem, we'd be very
grateful for some help. 

Thanks, 
Bob Dew National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD  20892 (301) 496-5361
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Well, egg on my face. 
The problem with "messages" not being able to read new mail on sun hosts
appears to be due to our 1.8MB amsn.do exhausting the available swap
space whenever the "Read Mail" menu option is selected. 
Short of killing off a bunch of processes, we'll have to opt for a more
streamlined mail reader in situations like this--e.g., "cat". 
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Subject: messages and X windows Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:51:22 +0100
From: Matthew Jude Brown <mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk> Sender: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk 
In article <AecLYQa4hFs604GANR@cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz> Jason Haar
<cctr127@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz> writes: >Hi, > >Over the past month or
so I've been trialing the ATK binary distribution on >our Sun server. >
>From my SPARCstation it ran/runs very well, and I'm already to announce
its >availability to the campus here. > >Unfortunately, I can't get it
to run on NCD X-terminals - running ATK >applications (like <bold>runapp
lauchapp</bold>) causes the following error: > >   Could not open
display; this program will not run without a window system > >Needless
to say, windows was running at the time ;-) > >Any ideas where I should
start looking for the problem? The server runs >SunOS 4.1.2 and X11R5. >
>Cheers > >Jason Haar, Network Consultant 
For an immediate fix, try setting your DISPLAY environment variable to
the numeric IP address of your X terminal instead of its domain name
like so: 
   setenv DISPLAY 129.31.81.33:0.0 
instead of diapason:0.0 (of course, these are the numbers and name for
my setup - replace them with yours ...) 
I think you'll find this will work - it did for me. 
Looking more closely, you'll probably find that your X terminals do not
appear in /etc/hosts - instead, you're using NIS or DNS to resolve these
host names. The problem is that you've linked with libraries with the
wrong version of the hostname functions - gethostbyname() et al -
probably you have a different version of these in your static libraries
than in your dynamically linked libraries. Your other X applications are
probably using the dynamic libraries, which have the right version of
these for your setup. 
Solution? Link with -lresolv , add your X-terminals to /etc/hosts, or
update your libraries. 
Hope this is of some use, 
-Matt -- | Matthew J. Brown  | Dept. of Computing | If God intended for
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Does anyone know of any Macintosh archives (like sumex, rascal, umich)
that are AFS mounted or even a mirror (like wuarchive)? 
Please send email, I will summarize to comp.sys.mac.system any archives
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Depending on the particular server, the performance of font  operations
may be significantly better than pixmaps. Server memory  usage is also
going to increase if each ATK application downloads its  own set of
pixmaps. So you end up tucking them under rocks (root  window atoms) in
the server to avoid that. Pretty soon you've  implemented a distributed
font cache protocol from hell. 
There was some discussion on one of the X11 lists about allowing 
applications to download their own fonts. The proposed solution 
involved adding client connect and download funtionality to the X11R5 
font server protocol. The font server could then provide the font to 
the X11 server proper. (My memory is vague and I haven't followed  X11R5
developments so some of this may be wrong.) This would be  winning since
the font would be downloaded once. A good download  protocol would be
able to negotiate the font format (preferably with  the font server
accepting all the known formats of interest and  converting them on the
fly). 
ATK would check if the fonts were available, if not it could try to 
make them known "via the filesystem," and finally just download the 
font in question. For X terminals, things would be slow to startup 
because of the font downloads but the fonts would quickly be cached. 
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Subject: Re: Any Mac archives on AFS? Message-Id:
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>Does anyone know of any Macintosh archives (like sumex, rascal, umich)
>that are AFS mounted or even a mirror (like wuarchive)? 
The umich archives can be found in 
/afs/umich.edu/group/itd/archive/mac 
I haven't seen any others yet... 
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> Is there any way to convinced CUI/messages to send DECnet style mail >
(HOST::USER)? I am using Ultrix sendmail so it will work as long as AMS
does > attempt to send it.  I thought I had turned off all address
validation but apparently not. 

You probably can't teach messages how to validate addresses with this
kind of syntax.  But presumably your local network has some sort of
Internet-to-DECnet SMTP relay host, capable of resolving DECnet mailing
addresses?  
If that's the case, then you could work around the problem by defining a
"dummy" domain, say ".DNET", in your AndrewSetup file, under
"AMS_ValidDomainSuffixes:".  Correspondingly, you'd list your
Internet-to-DECnet relay host address under "AMS-ValidDomainRelays:", in
AndrewSetup. 
It would be up to the messages user, then, to change addresses of the
form, "HOST::USER", to "USER@HOST.DNET", when composing a mail message
destined for a DECnet recipient. 
Messages would validate such address, and pass them along to the DECnet
realy host. 
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Is there any way to convinced CUI/messages to send DECnet style mail
(HOST::USER)? I am using Ultrix sendmail so it will work as long as AMS
does attempt to send it.  I thought I had turned off all address
validation but apparently not. 
Just out of curiosity, does AMDS support DECnet at all? 
Yeah, yeah, I know, why use DECnet, but you see it tends to be prevalent
and rather necessary here where I work . . . 
Eric --
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