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Excerpts from org.itc.apars.in: 27-Aug-90 Fwd: Andrew bug "Jonathan
Levine"@hqsun3 (1241)

> - Several problems with the makefiles not deleting links before making
> them,   then failing because they can't make those links.

Did you note which specific makefiles failed?  I'll assume you have
LINKINSTALL_ENV set.  


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Help !!!

I'm looking for a Swedish Lexicon-module for the spelling program
    in the "FIRST CHOICE" software system.

    (No, I didn't miss all my Swedish lessons...)



Ulf.
	 
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I've found a particular library routine very useful, and I'm wondering


1)  if it is in some Andrew library already


2)  if it were to be added to some site-specific library -- just what the 
procedure should be for site-specific utility subroutines.


Here's the routines I'd like to have as "standard" utility routines:


\example{char *copyString (s)

  char *s;

\{

  char *new;


  if (s == NULL)

    return(NULL);

  new = (char *) malloc (strlen(s) + 1);

  strcpy (new, s);

  return (new);

\}


void freeString (s)

  char *s;

\{

  if (s != NULL)

    free(s);

\}

}
freeString, of course, would be better done as a macro.


Bill

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Subject:  speed of drawing text under OW 2.0

We've noticed that Andrew typescript (and ez, etc.) scrolls much more
slowly under OpenWindows 2.0 than does X11R4 xterm (perhaps 6-8 times
more slowly), on a Sun (SunOS 4.0.3) SparcStation-1 with a GX board. 
This seems to be because Andrew uses "PolyText8" X protocol requests to
draw strings, and xterm uses "ImageText8" to draw strings.  "PolyText8"
is a much more general request than "ImageText8", and apparently
underoptimized in the OW server.  As far as I can see in traces of the
typescript tool, Andrew doesn't use the more general facilities of the
"PolyText8" request, and could use the simpler and
more-likely-to-be-optimized "ImageText8" request instead.  That is,
Andrew seems only to draw one TEXTITEM at a time, they always seem to be
strings (never offsets or fonts), and they always seem to use the same
font.

It would seem possible to change the call to XDrawString in
atk/basics/x/xgraphic.c to a call to XDrawImageString, without
disturbing anything.  We'd still revert to XDrawText (and thus
PolyText8), when drawing complicated fonts, but would win on drawing
simple fixed-width fonts.

Any quarrels with this analysis?

Bill
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There is a routine called NewString in libutil.a. It does not check to see
if its argument is NULL, but it does check to see if the return value from
malloc is NULL. (I know we ATK bozos ignore NULL malloc returns as a matter
of policy. I'll probably still be feeling guilty about writing such code 20
years from now.)  NewString should probably return NULL when given a NULL
parameter.  (Some might argue that NewString is like strlen and the
behavior when passed NULL is undefined.)

There is no equivalent to FreeString. The assumption is that free will do
the job. I suppose one could argue against that approach.

So why does everybody write their own version of NewString? Probably
because few programmers know of NewString's existence. Also, it may have to
be added to the globals table so it can be called from dynamically loaded
code.  There are occasions when I don't want to link against libutil.a
because it has other grody stuff I don't want to link into my programs.
That's mostly because I don't agree with the taste of everybody who puts
things in libutil.a .

Sincerely,
Zalman Stern | Internet: zs01+@andrew.cmu.edu | Usenet: I'm soooo confused...
Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
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I fixed a bug in the APA16 X server some time ago when it would not
properly handle more than one TEXTITEM in the PolyText8 calls that
Andrew was making.

So for the moment, I will disagree with the findings of your tracings.

It may be that a patch came along that cut the items to the degenerate
case.  Who was last inside drawtextv?

-wdc
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   I'm running ez 7.0, ATK 15.0 (Patch level 6) on a Sparc 1, SunOS 4.0.3c.
I have ispell installed (and I can invoke it from the same command
line I invoke ez), but ez core dumps when I select check spelling from the
command line.

   I'm not sure whether this is a bug or a configuration problem, because I
found earlier this year that Patch level 5 core dumped when it couldn't
find ispell.  Has anyone else had this problem?  More importantly, has anyone
else solved this problem? 

Thanks,

Jon


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The problem with using DrawImageText is that it draws both the foreground and 
the background.  This works well when using a font where the width of each 
character in the font encompasses all the bits of the font (thus there is no 
overlapping of character bounding boxes).  This is not the case for most of 
the fonts that we use and thus DrawImageText would often eliminate portions of 
other characters.  One could say that this isn't the case for typescript where 
you are using a fixed width font, but some people don't use a fixed width font 
in typescript and to special case drawing of text in this way will probably be 
difficult.


Andy

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From: convex!convex.com!datri@uunet.uu.net  (Anthony A. Datri)
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Subject: Problems with using AMS_MailCollectionCommand
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I wrote a program in the vein of nsb's eatmail to safely move mail
from /usr/spool/mail into ~/Mailbox, but I've discovered that
AMS_MailCollectionCommand gets run *after* /usr/spool/mail/joeuser
is checked and collected.  Am I missing something?  I would think
that if AMS_MailCollectionCommand (and apparently PersonalMailCollectionCommand
as well) is set, that the system shouldn't collect from /usr/spool/mail/joeuser
*at all*.  In ams/libs/ms/mungenew.c, I find:


  if (homeUsesAMSDelivery < 0) {
        char SpoolFileName[1 + MAXPATHLEN], *HomeBox, *SpoolFile;
        int numfound;

        /* Only convert /usr/spool/mail-type stuff if we're checking our person$
        HomeBox = GetPersonalMailbox();
        sprintf(SpoolFileName, "%s/Mailbox", home);
        if (strcmp(HomeBox, SourceDir) == 0 || strcmp(SpoolFileName, SourceDir)$
            SpoolFile = getenv("MAIL");
            if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile == '\0') SpoolFile = getprofile$
            if (SpoolFile == NULL || *SpoolFile == '\0') {
                sprintf(SpoolFileName, "%s/%s", AMS_MailBoxPrefix, Me);
            } else {
                strcpy(SpoolFileName, SpoolFile);
            }
           mserrcode = ConvertIncomingMail(SpoolFileName, SourceDir, &numfound$
            if (mserrcode) return (mserrcode);
        }
    }
    if (PersonalMailCollectionCommand) {
        int syscode;

        syscode = system(PersonalMailCollectionCommand);
        if (syscode) {
            char ErrorText[100+MAXPATHLEN];

            sprintf(ErrorText, "Personal mail collection command %s failed with$
            NonfatalBizarreError(ErrorText);
            AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(EMSBOGUS, EIN_SYSTEM, EVIA_PROCNEWMSGS);
        }
    }
    if (AMS_MailCollectionCommand) {
        int syscode;

        syscode = system(AMS_MailCollectionCommand);
        if (syscode) {
            char ErrorText[100+MAXPATHLEN];

            sprintf(ErrorText, "System mail collection command %s failed with c$
            NonfatalBizarreError(ErrorText);
            AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(EMSBOGUS, EIN_SYSTEM, EVIA_PROCNEWMSGS);
        }
    }





Shouldn't the initial conditional change from

    if (homeUsesAMSDelivery < 0) {

to

    if (homeUsesAMSDelivery < 0 &&
	( ! (PersonalMailCollectionCommand || AMS_MailCollectionCommand) )) {


Also, just what is "PersonalMailCollectionCommand" anyway?  It seems to
be redundant given AMS_MailCollectionCommand, and I haven't seen mention of
it in any docs.

The scenario is that I run Messages on my diskless workstation, and mail
physically resides on another machine.  I want to safely collect mail
from my mailbox there into ~/Mailbox, rather than take the chance of
AMS on my workstation and binmail on the server stomping on each other.
The server's /usr/spool/mail is mounted on my workstation because I've just
been taking the chance, and also so that I can use "from" and any of a variety
of xbiffy programs.  But even when I specify AMS_MailCollectionCommand,
/usr/spool/mail/datri gets read and truncated before my MailCollectionCommand
gets run, so the latter never actually gets to do its thing.

The only way I see to work around this without changing the source and
rebuilding (ugggh) is to not have /usr/spool/mail from the server
pointed to by the local /usr/spool/mail, but that's ugly, and it really
should work as I've described.

Comments?


--

beak is                                                          beak is not
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Excerpts from info-andrew: 6-Sep-90 Spell core dumps Jonathan
Levine@decwrl.d (719)

>  I'm not sure whether this is a bug or a configuration problem, because I
> found earlier this year that Patch level 5 core dumped when it couldn't
> find ispell.  Has anyone else had this problem?  More importantly, has anyone
> else solved this problem?

Not that it helps, but we also had the problem of ez core dumping when
trying to invoke ispell as well. However when I compiled that object
with debugging in an attempt to find out what the problem was, the
problem went away. I therefore installed the object compiled with
debugging in it and have since forgotten about it.

- grahamd
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Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 10-Sep-90 Re: Spell core dumps
Graham Dumpleton@otc.otc (680)

> However when I compiled that object with debugging in an attempt to find
> out what the problem was, the problem went away. I therefore installed
> the object compiled with debugging in it and have since forgotten about
> it.

Possibly the buggy version was compiled with -O?  On Suns, -O is
notorious for causing core dumps...
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Well, I can see arguments for having it either way.  But certainly your
desire to not have it read from /usr/spool/mail/xxx is reasonable in the
circumstances, and there should at least be a way to do it.

Is there anyone out there who would be unhappy if the existence of a
configured mail collection command meant that the automatic checking of
/usr/spool/mail/xxx was turned off?

BTW, the reason there's a personal mail collection command is that
sometimes it makes sense for individuals to be able to customize this
behavior.  AMS_MailCollectionCommand, set in AndrewSetup, affects the
whole site, while PersonalMailCollectionCommand is user-specific.  The
latter turns out to have been useful for some people at Bellcore who
receive mail on one machine and read it on a workstation, because this
is not the "universal" situation at Bellcore.  (There is NO universal
situation at Bellcore; we have the most fragmented system I've ever
imagined...)

Anyway, at the very least there should be an option to NOT check
/usr/spool/mail/XXX to improve your situation, and possibly it should
never be checked when one of the two mail collection commands is set.  I
have no strong opinion on that one, but other people might.  -- Nathaniel
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Does Andrew have a systems management tools in the same vien as Athena's Moira?
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One way you can turn off AMS"s processing of /usr/spool/mail/datri without 
recompiling is to redefine AMS_MailBoxPrefix in your ...../AndrewSetup to be 
something other than /usr/spool/mail.  If you define it as, say, /tmp/dogs, 
then AMS's efforts to incorporate the messages in /tmp/dogs/datri will come to 
nothing.  (Or, for that matter, change the MAIL environment variable to be 
other than /usr/spool/mail/datri--but if that env vbl is used elsewhere and 
you set it elsewhere, you might screw up some other program like xbiff.)


You can do a lot with AndrewSetup.


But yes, I'd agree that a personal (or site-wide) mail-collection command 
should probably override the /usr/spool/mail conversion thingy.


In addition, if the current stuff that reads from /usr/spool/mail/userid can 
be improved, wouldn't that be a good idea too?


		Craig



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Has anyone outside the ITC actually managed to DO this? The "imake" supplied with this
workstation build a "Makefile" which fails to define "INSTALL" "SED" and other nifty
features so it looks like the default information from the X11 tree is, somehow, not
included. Not that there is anything really there to begin with...

Basically, I can't build a working top-level Makefile so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Sean McLinden
Decision Systems Laboratory
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We got into some problems using the Andrew toolkit. What we want to do
is building an application that runs in several windows, created from 
within ATK procedures.

So, please give me some hints how to (best):

	- create and delete windows (WITH control over their size, their
	  appearance, etc.)

	- restrict an object from resizing (in celview ??)

	- get the position of the end of text in an text object
	  (in screen coordinates)

	- set the insert position in a text object

	- restrict the menu cards to display only desired entries

	- get the ATK, patchlevel 6, to run on a VAXstation with
	  Ultrix-32

	- get a description of the available methods and objects
	  (please don't tell me to RTFM, we ordered N.Borenstein's book,
	   but we have to wait, and - of course - are in a hurry  :-()


Many thanks in advance,

Juergen.

____________________________________________________________
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I tried to re-make andrew after installing SunOS 4.1, and I get:

cc -sun4  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 11-Sep-90 request of some essential i.. 
Juergen Henke@IPA.FhG.de (1052)}



\quotation{So, please give me some hints how to (best):

}
\quotation{	- create and delete windows (WITH control over their size, their

}\quotation{	  appearance, etc.)

}See the code for frame_NewWindow and frame_DeleteWindow in  frame/framecmd.c. 
The im_SetGeometrySpec() class procedure can be called prior to creating a new 
window and sent a string with a standard X style geometry spec. This will 
allow window size and placement. 


\quotation{	- restrict an object from resizing (in celview ??)

}Not Supported. The philosphy is that the parent or user should always have 
control of this. 


\quotation{	- get the position of the end of text in an text object

}\quotation{	  (in screen coordinates)

}I would like to think that most applications wouldn't need this (if you need 
an inset at the end of text, just insert one there). However, you can look at 
the code for textview__Locate to see how you can call textview_LineRedraw to 
inform you of things like this. 


\quotation{	- set the insert position in a text object

}The text object has no notion of "insert position". Textviews have the Dot 
position, where characters typed at the keyboard (or inserted with the 
textview_self_insert procedure) will be entered.  It can be set with 
textview_SetDotPosition. 


\quotation{	- restrict the menu cards to display only desired entries

}A parent view can do this to the child view if it knows what menus to delete 
by creating a menulist with NULL proctable entries and the same menu strings 
as the child. See the \italic{menulist} documentation in 
$ANDREWDIR/doc/basics. Also see the 'bind' documentation, which offers a 
simplified way to create menulists. 


If you aren't writing your own parent views, but are using Adew, you can ask 
ask the celview to override its child's menus for you. A simple example that 
deletes the "Page,Next Page" menu from a child text would include the 
following: 


/* user code begins here for includes */

#include <bind.ih>

#include <menulist.ih>

static struct menulist *tm;

/* create a null binding for the "Next Page" menu entry */

static struct bind_Description Bindings[]=\{

    \{NULL,NULL,0,"Page,Next Page", 0,0,NULL,NULL\},

NULL

\};

/* user code ends here for includes */


/* user code begins here for InitializeClass */

\{

/* link the binding to a static menu list */

struct classinfo *textviewtype = class_Load("textview");

tm = menulist_New();

bind_BindList(Bindings, NULL , tm, textviewtype);


\}

/* user code ends here for InitializeClass */


 /* user code begins here for testmen_go */

/* Ask the celview to override the child's menus */ 
celview_SetMenulist(celview_GetCelviewFromView(self->text_1View),tm);

/* user code ends here for testmen_go */


See the Adew reference manual.


\quotation{	- get the ATK, patchlevel 6, to run on a VAXstation with

}\quotation{	  Ultrix-32

}
What problems are you having? 


\quotation{	- get a description of the available methods and objects

	  (please don't tell me to RTFM, we ordered N.Borenstein's book,

	   but we have to wait, and - of course - are in a hurry  :-()


}
There is a lot of stuff in /usr/andy/doc and /usr/andy/help. I hope at some 
point to post a document with hyperlinks that will organize the doc files a 
little better and give an overview of what can be found. 


	Regards,


		Tom Neuendorffer

		ITC

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I created a sizeable table (several hundred x several hundred) under table 
(version 7.0, ATK 15.0) on the i386.  Many of the fields had 
several-dozen-character formulae in them.  It was big.  I edited it, played 
around with it, was satisfied that everything was correct.  To be safe, I then 
saved it and opened a new copy of table and edited it.  It was trashed.  What 
had happened was that at some point, it had broken the line for the row, and 
started again on the next line.  It had broken it in the middle of a formula, 
so the whole second line (for each "first line") was nonsense.  If I pruned 
back the number of columns, eventually it would load correctly.  I checked 
under the vax_3.0 systype (Version 7.0, ATK 11.0) and it also had the same 
failing.  My question: Is there something I'm doing wrong?  Is this a known 
bug? What can I do?


--Michael Ginsberg, i386 Mach Group, Carnegie Mellon University\
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I have setup AMS to run without AFS or AMSD, but I am having some
problems.   I am running on a IBM/RT AIX 2.2.1 with ATK patch level 6.

When I send a message the following message box appears:
	"Submission Failed: Can't write message to /usr/lib/sendmail:
Interrupted system call."
At the bottom of the screen the following appears:
	"Error: Unknown operation system error (in dropoff in SubmitMessage).,
Even with this error,  the message had already been successfully sent.
I looked at the code in overhead/util/lib/topen.c

int tclose(ptr, seconds, timedout)
FILE *ptr;
int seconds, *timedout;
{
    register f, r;
.....
....
	while ((r=wait(&status)) != popen_pid[f] && r != -1) ;
..
..
, and found out for some reason the wait() system call is  setting the
status argument to 17,  because of this messages thinks it never sent
the message.  Any thoughts on what I can do?
Please, E-mail  any suggestions.


	Thanks
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The approach suggested in the following is sort of generic, so I thought I'd 
post it to the list.  Maybe someone has a better notion...


Bill


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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 12-Sep-90 Help with ness/voice Chandra 
Venkatraman@iag. (2410)}


\quotation{    I need some help fast.   I have built some hardware and wrote 
some

}\quotation{software to send a voice files (voice mail) to AMS.  I have made 
sure

}\quotation{that the subject has a unique (sort of) word 'voice-file'.   As 
soon as

}\quotation{I click in messages this file, I would like the contents to be 
sent to

}\quotation{my 'playback' application.  'playback' is a C program.

}
So far as I can see, there two ways to do this without modifying messages. 
 What you need is a hook that gets called when you select a message from the 
captions window.  You could do it with ness and keystroke binding (for a demo) 
in the following way:


Suppose you have two messages in a folder.  The first is simple text, saying 
something like "The following message is voice mail.".  The second is voice 
mail.  Then write a small ness program that goes to the next message, and 
takes the content of the message and passes it to playback.  Bind a keystroke 
to the ness program.  Click on the first message, then advance to the voice 
mail message using the keystroke.  The tricky part is actually getting hold of 
the message body.  I'm not sure you can get enough info from messages with 
ness.


The second way is to write a small inset for voice mail that does playback of 
the voice mail as part of its Update() method.  Use flames to wrap your voice 
mail in one of these insets by re-writing the message.  This way you can just 
click on the caption of the message, and when the voice message is exposed, it 
will be played.  You can just draw a simple rectangle, with the name of the 
sender or something, as the visual appearance.  This is the approach I'd take. 
 You can modify the link and linkv classes, shouldn't take more than a day, 
and you don't have to worry about either ness or messages.  It will also allow 
you to put voice mail things in documents such as reports.

\quotation{ 

}Let me know how it works out.


Bill

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I'm trying to build vopcon (the AFS version of console).  I have AFS 3.0, and
I get the following unresolved references:
.r_Init
.r_NewConn
.RControlGetServers

Also, r_nPackets and r_nRetries are undefined.

Can anyone tell me where these are (supposed to be) located?

(Or, maybe I should first ask if vopcon even works with AFS 3.0?)
This is with atk 14.2 (patch 5+).
--
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(Not a Transarc-official reply, whatever that would be, but I don't think any 
of this is untrue.)


AFS 3.0 doesn't need or provide a ``system control machine'' from which vopcon 
(Vice Operator's Console, not an ``AFS version of console'') could get server 
status information.  The ``scout'' program is supposed to replace the vopcon 
functionality, for those system operators that need to know server status.


Thus, even if you could find the old R libraries (that define things like 
r_Init, r_NewConn, r_nPackets, and r_nRetries, and thus link together a 
version of vopcon, you probably don't have a machine to which vopcon could 
bind in order to get server status information.


I believe that the construction of vopcon is turned off in some or all 
circumstances in atk/console/cmd/Imakefile, at some sufficiently large Andrew 
patch level (<= 6).


		Craig

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Subject: Changing AMS headers and more.

I have a number of question with regards to ATK (patch level 6, and AMS
without AFS or AMSD).

messages:
 Is there any way to change the "message composing" headers permanently
(without using "insert header"), either system wide or by individual
user?  I need to add a couple of headers.
e.g.
	To:
	Subject:
change to:
	To:
	Subject:
	New-header:
eatmail:
	Can anyone tell how "eatmail" is used with AMS? Also, where can I
obtain the latest and greatest version?

Is there a recommended strategy to convert MH mail to  AMS?  I was
thinking of creating a symbolic link under .MESSAGES, and running
"reconstruct", or is "eatmail" the way to convert?

printscribe:
It core dumps whenever I've tried to print an org file, with the
following message:
	"$ printscribe -troff -o file.out file.org
	Starting ezprint (Version Unknown, ATK 15.0); please wait...
	Malloc arena corruption discovered at - fr
	Abort(coredump)".
Any suggestions?

console:
	If /dev/console is only rw for root,  the console window  will display
"Initializing fudgenut" and disappear without any messages stating
what's wrong.  Should there be a least a message stating why console
could not come up?

I am running on a IBM/RT AIX 2.2.1 with ATK patch level 6. Please,
E-mail any suggestions.


	Thanks
	Marlon
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Fred,


In addition to the fooview <-> foov conversions, the following are also 
equivalent to the class_load() procedure


ezapp = eza

framecmds = framecmd

sendmessage = sendmsg


also , your list contains the following for no obvious reason


	\{"captions", "captions"\},


This reduces your list to the following. 


	\{"bodies", "text822v"\},

	\{"exit", "im"\},

	\{"folder", "folders"\},

	\{"frame", "framecmd"\},

	\{"raster", "rasterv"\},	/* obsolete */

	\{"redraw", "im"\},

	\{"self", "zipedit"\},

	\{"self_insert", "spread"\},

	\{"start", "im"\},

	\{"stop", "im"\},

	\{"wraplook", "textv"\},


I will have to think about the right way to deal with this. For backward 
compatibility, I would rather not change these at this time, as it does not 
seem like such a giant list to deal with and we don't know whose code it will 
break. Since ness already handles the translation, do you really feal it 
should be a high priority that something else does as well?


	Tom

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You can probably get the effect you desire in the headers only by either
A) changing the code or B)  doing some init file hacking.  In the latter
scenario, which is REALLY ugly, what you'd do would be to replace things
like  the "Reply to Sender" menu & keystrokes with compound commands
that do the normal action and then add the header you want.  I don't
have an example of exactly what you want, but the following init file
line sets up a custom menu that sets up a reply to the sender, fills in
the body, and then actually sends off the mail and deletes the message
you were reading.  You might use at as a sort of perverse inspiration
for doing what you want to do...

# addmenu messages-compound-operation "Custom~99,On The List~11"
messages messages inherit "messages-reply-to-sender;
messages-sendmessage-compound sendmessage-insert-file 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr2/nsb/.onthelisttext;
messages-sendmessage-compound sendmessage-excerpt-body;
messages-sendmessage-compound sendmessage-send-message;
messages-delete-current"

A third way to extend the system that wouldn't have to use this awful
syntax would be to use Ness; I'm not sure how exactly, but I'm pretty
sure it could be done.   (Actually, it might be a lot easier with Ness,
but I'm not a Ness expert.)

As far as eatmail goes:  What it does is convert mbox format files to
separate files in a directory (~/Mailbox by default) for processing by
AMS.  So I doubt that it's what you want.

For converting MH mail to AMS, I think you have the right idea -- CUI
reconstruct is the way to go.  The reconstruction might work better if
you first type "create folder-name" to create the folder index and then
"reconstruct folder-name" to fill it in properly.

As for printscribe & console, well, I can't help much on those...
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How can we pass a String array (char **) to value-clicklistV inset
We tried calling value_SetStrArrayAndSize(<insetname>, <a marker> <int>
but Ness compiler complains with:
"argument 2 should have type unknown but is type marker".

What to do? We compiled Andrew from the X11.4 distribution tape
patch level ?.

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I just took down a version of ATK (up to patch level 7, I know it hasn't been 
released yet) and only had a small problem installing the system.  In 
particular I needed to make sure that PRE_X11R4_ENV was defined and that 
LINKINSTALL_ENV was not defined.  I used the imake and makedepend that was on 
the machine, although I did have to build them myself (the sources were there 
but I didn't find the binaries).  I did have one problem with the executable 
which I still don't understand (it got very confused with a setting of 
CLASSPATH and printed out all sorts of strange error messages), but things did 
work.


I will be checking this out with the proper people when I get back to the ITC 
on Monday.  All in all it was a reasonably pleasant experience since it only 
took me about 3 hours to compile up the system (excluding ODA).


Andy

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\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 14-Sep-90 Problems Ness 
calling value manfred kohl@kms1.kbs2.i (339)}


\quotation{How can we pass a String array (char **) to value-clicklistV inset.

}
One way to do this is with the ness functions value_SetArraySize and 
value_SetArrayElt as documented in $ANDREWDIR/doc/atk/ness/nessfunc.doc.


But first you have to fix the bug I just discovered.  The changes will appear 
on a forthcoming patch, but not patch 7.  Unofficially you just need to add 
two lines to atk/ness/objects/nevent.c (The line numbers may incorrect because 
r1.22 is later than patch level 7):


diff -c -r1.22 nevent.c

*** /tmp/,RCSt1000326	Tue Sep 18 10:15:09 1990

--- nevent.c	Tue Sep 18 10:00:59 1990

***************

*** 29,34 ****

--- 29,35 ----

  #include <arbiterv.ih>

  #include <celv.ih>

  #include <cel.ih>

+ #include <value.h>	/* for value_NEWVALUE */

  #include <value.ih>

  #include <valuev.ih>

  #include <atom.ih>

***************

*** 570,575 ****

--- 569,575 ----

  			XXX never freed */

  		sar = (unsigned char **)value_GetStringArray(vobj);

  		sar[index] = s;

+ 		value_NotifyObservers(vobj, value_NEWVALUE);

  	\}	break;

  	case 'v':		/* value_setnotify(obj, bool) */

  		/* NSP = unstackBool(NSP, iar, &v); */



To try out the test below, empower the Ness and select DoMain from the Ness 
menu card.  This should make three options appear in the currently empty 
clicklistV (but only after the repair to nevent.c noted above).  A click on an 
option in the clicklistV will echo in the message line.


Fred Hansen


	

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\V 2
\begindata{value,270931644}
>1
\enddata{value,270931644}
10 270931644 1 0 0 0 
>OBJ< value
>VIEW< clicklistV
>REF< cl
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\textdsversion{12}
[long] <bodyfont-size> ()

[string] <bodyfont> ()

[string] <label> ()

\enddata{text,271299384}
\enddata{cel,271165156}
\view{celview,271165156,2,210,136}

\begindata{ness,271067744}
\origin{01\\18 Sep 1990 at 10:27:32 EDT\\wjh:  Fred Hansen\\00}
\template{default}
function main()

	object cl := inset("cl")

	value_SetArraySize(cl, 3)

	value_SetArrayElt(cl, 0, "yes")

	value_SetArrayElt(cl, 1, "no")

	value_SetArrayElt(cl, 2, "maybe")

end function 

extend "cl"

    on mouse "any"

	dohit(currentinset, mouseaction, mousex, mousey)

	if mouseaction /= mouseleftup then exit function end if

	TellUser(value_GetString(currentinset))

    end mouse

end extend\
\enddata{ness,271067744}
\view{nessview,271067744,0,0,234}
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 13-Sep-90 Changing AMS 
headers and more. MAG@IBM.COM (1338)}


\quotation{ Is there any way to change the "message composing" headers 
permanently

}\quotation{(without using "insert header"), either system wide or by 
individual

}\quotation{user?  I need to add a couple of headers.

}\quotation{e.g.

}\quotation{	To:

}\quotation{	Subject:

}\quotation{change to:

}\quotation{	To:

}\quotation{	Subject:

}\quotation{	New-header:

}

In a reply to this message Nathaniel suggests using Ness.  Unfortunately, a 
key piece needed will not be released until patch 7.  At that time you can use 
Ness as follows:


Add to ~/.messagesinit the lines

 

	load ness

	call ness-load  \italic{<full path name of file>}


where the file contains:

\example{
extend "view:sendmessage"

	on menu "Add My Headers"

		sendmessage_add_header(currentwindow,

			"New Header: ")

		sendmessage_add_header(currentwindow, 

			"Another Header: ")

	end menu

	on menu "Send/Post"

		sendmessage_send_message(currentwindow)

		sendmessage_add_header(currentwindow, 

			"New Header 2: ")

		sendmessage_add_header(currentwindow, 

			"Another Header 2: ")

	end menu

end extend

	}

This will add one new menu item in SendMessage: "Add My Headers".  When 
selected, two new headers will be added.  It will also modify the "Send/Post" 
menu item so it adds a different pair of headers--of course they could be the 
same.



Fred Hansen\
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The ITC has some printed sets of ATK documentation that it is tired of 
storing, so for a limited time you can order a complete set of ATK 
documentation (4 thick binders full) for the cost of shipping alone. These 
docs were printed for last (1990) X release, and are compatible with the 
current system. This documentation is all on-line, but if you want a printed 
version, ordering it will probably be cheaper than printing it.


Shipping cost's are as follows.


US Book Rate	  $7.50

US Airborne	$17.50

Foreign Book Rate	$27.50

Foreign Airborne	$92.50


If you are interested, please send a check or purchase order to cover shipping 
to:


CMU/ITC

4910 Forbes Avenue

Pittsburgh PA  15213

Attn:  Dorothy Zaborowski


and include the following information:


Name

Company

Address

Phone

Email

Fax


This offer expires Nov. 15 1990, or when we run out of copies, whichever comes 
first. 

Tom Neuendorffer 	(tpn@andrew.cmu.edu)

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Ave.

Pittsburgh, Pa. 15213-3890

Phone:	(412) 268-6108

Fax:	(412) 268-6787

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Hello!
         We are a team from Computer and Communication Laboratory (CCL), a
branch of Industry Technology Research Institute (ITRI), Taiwan, trying to push
AMS in our local environment. We are in the infancy of the 1-year project and
have some questions crucial to our success.

     We get the Andrew system in X11 r4 distribution tape and have not
installed it yet. Our members have taken some time in looking over the
directories and files. It turns out that the on-tape documentation is not
complete. For instance, we lack the list of methods provided by the ATK.
Moreover, most of the documents can't be printed before the system is setup.

     We are going to add a Chinese-text object to the ATK. Is the AMS good
enough to automatically take advantage of the new object?

     Since 386 machines are much cheaper than SUNs, we believe 386/Unix based
AMS is more affordable to our users. Is there a 386 version already available?
Or we should do the porting ourselves. Which part(s) of the Andrew system
is/are relevant to the porting?

     Any responses to the questions or comments to our project will be greatly
appreciated. Even more appreciated is the hints to any traps or problems we
can't foresee now.

                                                        Yi, Huang
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From discussion on the mailing list I know that various people are using
Andrew with MacX. Would any of those people be willing to put up for ftp
the converted Andrew fonts so that I and others in the future don't have
to go through the painful process of converting them all ourselves.

Graham Dumpleton (grahamd@otc.otca.oz.au)
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I believe that ATK has some new international-language features that may be 
more appropriate to doing Chinese text than a new ATK inset, though both paths 
are available.


The Messages program is good enough to take advantage of any Chinese-language 
texts or insets that you wish to provide, at least in the body portion of 
messages.  If you try to view these message bodies with lower-function 
interfaces like CUI or VUI, you won't see what they have to say.


None of AMS can deal with internationalized-text or insets in message headers 
(like To:, From:, and so forth); you'd need to use Romanized addresses there, 
same as you currently do with Bitnet mailers.


I hope that others can help you with the rest of your questions.


		Craig

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If you write a Chinese text object as an inset, and you install it in
the right directory, it will be automatically usable by AMS, with
exactly the same interface it is usable anywhere else.

As for ATK documentation, I believe that CMU is currently trying to get
rid of some paper copies of the ATK its documentation -- see the message
posted only yesterday by Tom Neuendorffer for more information.  You can
also get copies of my book about ATK from Prentice Hall.

I believe that the curernt version of the Andrew distribution (patch
level 6) includes support for 386 machines running Mach.  Other variants
of UNIX on the 386 might require some porting effort.  For the most
part, the parts of Andrew that need to be ported are quite localized,
and the only thing that is at all challenging to port is the dynamic
loader.

Hope that helps!  -- Nathaniel
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Hi,


We're having trouble building Andrew (w/ patches 1-6) under SunOS 4.1 on a Sun 
4/60.  We get the following error when doing a \typewriter{\smaller{make 
dependInstall}} for \bold{atk/console/cmd}:


\example{\smaller{doload:  Errors while processing

doindex: indexing consolea.do ...doload:  Internal botch - should have 
resolved in doload_preset

doindex: NULL entrypoint from consolea.do...program terminated!

*** Error code 1

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `consolea.do'

Current working directory 
/usr/local/share/X11R4/src/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atk/console/cmd

*** Error code 1

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'

}}\leftindent{
}Our \bold{site.mcr} file looks like:


\example{\smaller{XBASEDIR = /usr/local/X11R4

BASEDIR = /usr/local/X11R4/andrew.006

CDEBUGFLAGS = -pipe

XUTILDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/bin

XINCDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/include/X11

XMKFONTDIR = $(XUTILDIR)/mkfontdir

XLIBDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/lib

XFC = $(XUTILDIR)/bdftosnf

RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

}}\example{\smaller{#define	ConstructMFLAGS}}


Has anyone else seen this problem?  Is there a fix?  To get this far, we also 
had to patch up something to do with password handling, I forget the file. 
  Does anyone have a set of patches for SunOS 4.1?  The same configuration 
builds cleanly under SunOS 4.0.3.


Thanks for any suggestions,


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

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Subject: Re: Changing AMS headers and more.


Thanks to everyone for the quick responses and suggestions..

I am currently trying to add headers through "addmenu" , but I am having
some problems.
Here is what I have in the .messagesinit file:

addmenu messages-compound-operation ",Send External Message~52" messages
messages inherit "messages-reply-to-sender;
messages-sendmessage-compound sendmessage-add-header X-External-Networks;
messages-sendmessage-compound sendmessage-headers-textview-compound
textview-self-insert yes;
messages-sendmessage-compound sendmessage-set-not-modified"

And this is what I get in my "messages Composing" window:

X-External-Networks: \311
To:
Subject:
CC:

The problems are:
 1) There is no cursor anywhere in the window, if I start to type, the
letters appear on the "CC" line. If I hit cursor return, nothing happens
(the invisible cursor seems to still be on the "CC" line.).  The only
way it works is if I click the mouse button on one of the header fields,
then the cursor appears and cursor return works fine.
2) How can I add a default value ("yes") to the new header?.  The
text-self-insert doesn't seem to work.

I like to suggest that AMS should work similar to XMH. XMH has
~/Mail/components file, where the user can customize the compose
headers.  Can anyone from CMU comment on this suggestion?


How can I make messages come up faster?.  It seems to take forever on a
IBM/RT AIX 2.2.1.

	Thanks
	Marlon
	T.J. Watson AIX Information Center
	mag@ibm.com

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Sep-90 Re: Changing 
AMS headers an.. MAG@ibm.com (1459)}


\quotation{ 1) There is no cursor anywhere in the window, if I start to type, 
the }\quotation{letters appear on the "CC" line. If I hit cursor return, 
nothing happens }\quotation{(the invisible cursor seems to still be on the 
"CC" line.).  The only }\quotation{way it works is if I click the mouse button 
on one of the header fields, }\quotation{then the cursor appears and cursor 
return works fine.

}
Hmm...  Sounds like the input focus is somehow strangely set.  You can 
probably use the compound command mechanism to set the input focus, but I'm 
not certain about the details.  


\quotation{2) How can I add a default value ("yes") to the new header?.  The 
}\quotation{text-self-insert doesn't seem to work.

}
Hmm...  The textview object doesn't sem to provide an insert-string proctable 
entry.  You could create a file called ~/.YES containing the string "yes" and 
then use sendmessage-insert-file /foo/bar/.YES, but that would be an amazingly 
stupid thing to have to do...


\quotation{I like to suggest that AMS should work similar to XMH. XMH has 
}\quotation{~/Mail/components file, where the user can customize the compose 
}\quotation{headers.  Can anyone from CMU comment on this suggestion?

}
That's a good idea.  Pending someone implementing that, however,  you can use 
the Save/Restore Draft mechanism to create a "draft" message file that has the 
headers you want.  Then you can use the init file mechanism to bring up this 
"draft" file whenever you want it.  (Actually, that will only work for the 
"fresh" sending, not for replies, sigh...)  In principle it might be possible 
to do this with the messages.tpl file, but I doubt that it is possible in 
practice, for various reasons.  With some patches, however, it might well be 
posible to do all of this with a customized messages.tpl template.


\quotation{How can I make messages come up faster?.  It seems to take forever 
on a }\quotation{IBM/RT AIX 2.2.1.

}
I have long since given up on answering questions like this.  The program is 
definitely slower to come up than it should be, but whether it is a minor or a 
major annoyance seems to depend on a whole host of factors from CPU to memory 
size to OS to file system.  On my SparcStation, it comes up tolerably fast. 
 (Oddly enough, the biggest performance problem I have these days is that, 
when running on a Graphon X terminal at 9600 baud, it takes forever to Quit 
when you choose the "Quit" menu, and I have absolutely no idea why this is the 
case.  It exits quite quickly on my Sun's main screen.)


Hope the above was helpful... -- Nathaniel

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CAMBRIDGE, MA -- The Open Software Foundation (OSF) has announced the
general availability of Release 1.1 of OSF/Motif(tm), the easy-to-use
graphical user interface which has gained acceptance as the industry's
de facto standard in the one year since its introduction.  Tapes
started shipping on Friday August 24, 1990.

There have been no price changes from OSF/Motif Release 1.0.  Source
code licenses are available for $1000 per unit (or per mailing address
for academic institutions).  Release 1.0 source license holders must
execute a new license agreement.  Binary licenses range from $40 to $10
per unit, discounted depending on volume.  As with OSF/Motif Release
1.0, no license fee is required for OSF/Motif-based application
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For further information please call OSF Direct in the U.S., at
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OSF/Motif is currently available on over 100 hardware platforms and 42
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"OSF is extremely proud of Release 1.1," said Craig Lamont, OSF/Motif
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needs, we've added more than 40 new features.  This release extends
the industry's most powerful X Window System based user environment."

Significant enhancements include:

- Multiple screen support, increasing the displaying power accessible
  from a single source of control.

- Native Language Support (NLS) consistent with the NLS solution
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- Application programs can now be compiled with the portable C
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Here's what I use to add special EzFax headers to my mail, from my 
~/.messagesinit:


\literal{addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Fax~1,Request 
Acknowledgement~1" sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header 
Ack-to: mcinerny+fax-ack@andrew.cmu.edu"


addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Fax~1,Delayed Transmission~2" 
sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header 
X-Andrew-Fax-Delivery-after: 11pm tonight"


addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Fax~1,Use ITC FaxMail coverpage~10" 
sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header 
X-Andrew-Fax-Coverpage: /afs/andrew/usr0/ezfax/lib/coversheet/itcfaxmail.PS"


addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Fax~1,Use ITC coverpage~11" 
sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header 
X-Andrew-Fax-Coverpage: /afs/andrew/usr0/ezfax/lib/coversheet/itc.PS"


addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Fax~1,Use ITC letterhead~12" 
sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header 
X-Andrew-Fax-Coverpage: /afs/andrew/usr0/ezfax/lib/letterhead/itc.PS"


addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Fax~1,Add All Fax Headers~99" 
sendmessage sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header 
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now;sendmessage-add-header X-Andrew-Fax-Confidential: 
no;sendmessage-add-header X-Andrew-Fax-Trailing-Coverpage-too: no"

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Hi, we seem to have small problem with our installation.


We are running Andrew patch level 6 under X Windows on Sun-3's and Sun-4's.


I can start  Andrew on my local machine and run everything without any 
problems. That is,

it works if the environment variable

\quotation{DISPLAY}

is defined  as

\quotation{unix:0.0}

but not if it is defined as say

\quotation{indra:0}

or

\quotation{indra:0.0}

(my local machine)


Has anyone else seen this problem?


Johan Wid\^{i}n

SICS, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN	Internet: jw@sics.se

Tel: +46 8 752 15 32	Ttx: 812 61 54 SICS S	Fax: +46 8 751 72 30

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Subject: Why are PS/2 i386 .do files so big.

I've been comparing file sizes between my vax, rt, and ps/2 andrew trees.
The regular executable binaries are roughly comparable in size.

The .do files are 4 times larger on the PS/2.

WHY?

Is there something I could have configured differently somewhere?

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okay, i finally got Ultrix 4.0, and am ready to begin building andrew.
a while ago, i was told that it'd be better to get Ultrix 4.0, because
of missing library files in 3.2.

i also remember reading discussions of much pain and grief trying to
build andrew on decstations.  is there a version out there with some
of the various patches that people suggested, which will actually
build and run on a decstation 3100 or 5000?  if so, i'd be most
grateful!

						- dave
carter@mst6.lanl.gov
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First, thanks to those replys to our questions. They are very helpful
to us, but we still have some futher questions :

>There exist, on the distribution, 386 versions for *some* flavors of
>UNIX.  Patchlevel 6 (if you don't have them already, you almost
>certainly want to get all 6 patches that the ITC has put out for Andrew)
>has support for both AIX on those 386 machines that it supports (IBM
>PS/2s) and for Mach on 386 machines.
Could anyone tell us what are these 6 patches? How can we get them?
Our 386s are running SYSTEM V/386. Is this version(SYSTEM V/386) of
Andrew Distribution available?

>I believe that ATK has some new international-language features that may
>be more appropriate to doing Chinese text than a new ATK inset, though
>both paths are available.
We have great interest to know what are these new international-language
features. Could anyone tell us further details about these features?

We are looking forward to your replys.
                                                Wai-Kong, Sung
                                                CCL/ITRI
                                                KW20SWK0@TWNITRI1.BITNET
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 21-Sep-90 building andrew on 
DecStati.. Dave Carter@bloom-beacon (491)}



\quotation{okay, i finally got Ultrix 4.0, and am ready to begin building 
andrew.

}\quotation{a while ago, i was told that it'd be better to get Ultrix 4.0, 
because

}\quotation{of missing library files in 3.2.

}
\quotation{i also remember reading discussions of much pain and grief trying 
to

}\quotation{build andrew on decstations.  is there a version out there with 
some

}\quotation{of the various patches that people suggested, which will actually

}\quotation{build and run on a decstation 3100 or 5000?  if so, i'd be most

}\quotation{grateful!

}
\quotation{						- dave

}\quotation{carter@mst6.lanl.gov

}
Since I've just done this, I think I should let you all know my experiences:


First: If your'e working with many architectures you'll probably use shadow 
trees.


Before creating the shadow trees, do the following (this will eliminate much 
trouble):

	Go to the source tree:


	\example{make Makefiles	}- In order to be able to make Clean below.

	\example{make Clean		}- Get rid of everything already compiled, install.* 
files etc.

	\example{find . -name Makefile -o -name Makefile.BAK -exec rm \{\} \\;}  

		 -- I.e now get rid of all Makefiles etc.


	\example{rm -f overhead/class/machdep/machine  }-- This is normally a 
symbolic link.


Now you can create the shadow tree.

Then make sure that the destination tree is clean.

You now must create a libX11_G0.a.


Copy the G0 libraries to \italic{/usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0}:

\example{%mkdir /usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0 }- or wherever your destination tree 
is.

\example{%cp /lib/libc_G0.a /usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0/libc.a}

\example{%ranlib /usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0/libc.a

}
-- Also copy \example{/lib/libm_G0.a }and \example{/usr/lib/libX11_G0.a} to 
\example{/usr/andrew/lib/mips_G0}, omitting the _G0.



Edit \italic{overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips/makedo.csh} and add a -L and a -G 
0 flag to the ld command. This will ensure that the linker won't search any 
standard directories and possibly pick up some non-G0 code. Without the -G 0 
flag, the linker might be tempted to create sbss sections.

Do the same thing for the ld command in 
\italic{overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips/dofix.c.}


Next problem is that \italic{/lib/libc_G0.a} doesn't contain \bold{errlst.o}.

The following C program, linked with \italic{/lib/libc.a} will recreate the 
necessary C source \italic{errlst.c} which then can be compiled with -G 0:


\example{#include <errno.h>

extern int sys_nerr;

extern char *sys_errlist[];

char *

strerror(err)

int err;

\{

	return sys_errlist[err];

\}

main()

\{

	int eno;


	printf("char    *sys_errlist[] =\\n\{\\n");


	for(eno=0;eno<sys_nerr;eno++)

	\{

		printf("\\t\\"%s\\",\\n",strerror(eno));

	\}

	printf("\};\\n\\nint	sys_nerr=\{ sizeof sys_errlist/sizeof sys_errlist[0] 
\};\\n");

\}

}
Next thing to fix is to include "ultrix" at the #ifdef line 1069 in 
\italic{atk/typescript/tscript.c }


You will also need to remove some lines in the file 
\italic{atk/console/stats/pmax_3/getstats.c}

All lines referring "\italic{rate.v_intr}", "\italic{rate.v_syscall}" and 
"\italic{rate.v_swtch}" need to be commented out. This is because Ultrix 4 has 
moved these variables to a "\italic{cpudata}" structure.  I hope the ATK group 
will do this right sometimes.


Also I have noted that the resolver routines are already in /lib/libc_G0.a so 
there's no need for a separate resolver library.


Happy hacking



Chris.




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Thanks for the followup.  I had already started the Andrew build when I sent 
my reply back to Gary.  I'll wait on the patch.007 stuff, but once it's out 
I'll incorporate it.


I haven't yet had to go through the grief of building separate installation 
areas for building and for running (the .andy/.last_andy stuff), and I don't 
look forward to having to do so, but I'll be happy to have a local Andrew 
installation for the pmax that I can run out of.


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(sorry, the last one got away from me.)


Thanks also for sending me the pmax_3/site.* files; I'll see if I can make use 
of them here.  And I'll poke through the patch.007 file to see if any of its 
changes look like pmax-build-related crucial items.


Nice to hear from you!


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Don't you guys define CMU_ENV in your site.h file?


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Can you tell me what /usr/local is on a pmax where you do your builds?  That 
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		Thanks,

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To recap: I was unable to start any Andrew applications if my environment 
variable \typewriter{DISPLAY} was set to anything else than 
\typewriter{unix:0.0}.


Several people responded and told me that they had no such trouble. Thanks, 
this told me that

the problem probably was due to something strange at our site.


The problem turned out to be related to the resolver library. We are running 
Andrew on Sun's, and SunOS comes with a resolver library and a header file 
/usr/include/netdb.h. However, we

do not run the Sun name deamon but another, which we have the source for. This 
name deamon comes with its own resolver  library. The \typewriter{netdb.h} 
header file for this resolver library is unfortunately not compatible with the 
one provided by Sun. I knew this when I compiled Andrew and used the 'non Sun' 
header file. However, the X11 library had been compiled with the Sun provided 
\typewriter{netdb.h}.


This header file is apparently only used in libX11.a in the file 
\typewriter{XConnDis.c}, and this is only called if \typewriter{DISPLAY} is 
set to something other than \typewriter{unix:0.0}.


Well, I have now got Andrew working, and am writing this message on a remote 
machine. Again , thanks for your help.


Johan Wid\^{i}n

SICS, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN	Internet: jw@sics.se

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an.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (2515+0)}


\quotation{\quotation{I like to suggest that AMS should work similar to XMH. 
XMH has }\quotation{~/Mail/components file, where the user can customize the 
compose }\quotation{headers.  Can anyone from CMU comment on this suggestion?

}}
\quotation{That's a good idea.  Pending someone implementing that, however, 
 you can use the Save/Restore Draft mechanism to create a "draft" message file 
that has the headers you want.  Then you can use the init file mechanism to 
bring up this "draft" file whenever you want it.  (Actually, that will only 
work for the "fresh" sending, not for replies, sigh...)  In principle it might 
be possible to do this with the messages.tpl file, but I doubt that it is 
possible in practice, for various reasons.  With some patches, however, it 
might well be posible to do all of this with a customized messages.tpl 
template.

}
I've added custom message templates to messages.  I'll see if I can extract 
the diffs.


\quotation{\quotation{How can I make messages come up faster?.  It seems to 
take forever on a }\quotation{IBM/RT AIX 2.2.1.

}}
\quotation{I have long since given up on answering questions like this.  The 
program is definitely slower to come up than it should be, but whether it is a 
minor or a major annoyance seems to depend on a whole host of factors from CPU 
to memory size to OS to file system. }


On my NCD X terminal, it takes forever to come up because of gratuitous use of 
different fonts... only one of which is 'messages.bodyfont'.


Bill

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Suddenly, without any other associated wierdness, AMS refuses to delete my 
mail messages as I'm quitting.  Here's the error I get:


\typewriter{Error: Operation would block (flock in OpenMSDirectory)}


Could anyone tell me what easy fix should be invoked here?


Thanks

Brian Capouch

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>Our 386s are running SYSTEM V/386. Is this version(SYSTEM V/386) of
>Andrew Distribution available?

I don't know of any; however, there is support for AIX on the PS/2, and
that is probably a better starting point than the Mach-on-386-PClone
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COFF, as does S5/386, while Mach-on-a-386 seems, from the support code,
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It wouldn't be wrong to ask what your configuration is.


The thing that's locked seems to be your ~/.MESSAGES/mail/.MS_MsgDir file, 
generally done by doing an flock(2) on that file.  I'd argue that some other 
agent has that file locked--usually another process on that same machine, left 
over from something else that you did.


Does that jog memories at all?


		Craig

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Short time ago Christer Bernerus (bernerus@birk.cs.chalmers.se) posted a
few hints on getting ATK built on a DECstation 5000, running Ultrix 4.0.

Some points i already figured out, some were new (to me).

Ok. I started to build the ATK from scratch, and ended in atk/basics/common.

I tried (in chronological order)

	- putting crt0.o in the ld command in makedo.csh and dofix.c

	- replacing the ld with cc (silly that, i know !)

	- building libcx.a again

No change !

The whole stuff in overhead built without errors.

----------------- result of a 'make Install' in atk/basics/common -----------
cc -Dvoid=int -G 0 "-Wl,-D,1000000" -c -I.  -O -I/usr/andrew/include/atk 
   -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include/X11   environ.c
/usr/andrew/bin/makedo  -d /usr/andrew/lib -b /usr/andrew/bin 
                        -o environ.do  environ.o  /usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a
doindex: indexing environ.do ...doload:  Undefined symbol: __Argc
doload:  Undefined symbol: __Argv
doload:  Undefined symbol: _gp
doload:  Undefined symbol: main
doload:  Undefined symbol: sys_errlist
doload:  External R_GPREL relocation does not result in a gp addresable value.
doload:  Errors while processing
doindex: NULL entrypoint from environ.do...program terminated!
*** Error code 1
---------------- the end ----------------------------------------------------

Many, many thanks in advance,

Juergen.

____________________________________________________________
Juergen Henke (henke@IAO.FhG.de or juh_ipa@IPA.FhG.de)
Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung
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I am trying to add a few directories to the andrew source tree to place 
locally developed stuff into. Ideally I would like to have these directories 
integrated in such a way that doing a "make World" at the top level will build 
these directories too. I noticed that there is a macro called EXTRASUBDIRS 
that can be used to specify additional subdirectories to build at the root. So 
I setup my additional subdirectories with appropriate Imakefiles and all, and 
then added the following lines to config/site.mcr:

\example{
#ifdef MK_LOCAL

LOCAL = local

#endif /* MK_LOCAL */


#ifdef MK_SDA

SDA = sda

#endif /* MK_SDA */


EXTRASUBDIRS = $(LOCAL) $(SDA)

}
and added the following lines to config/site.h:

\example{
#define MK_LOCAL

#define MK_SDA


}And cranked up the imake command as specified in the README.ez file to make 
me a Makefile at the root. When I took a peek at the Makefile thus created I 
was disappointed to find that while the rules for

MakeSubdirs, DependMakeSubdirs, CleanSubdirs, TidySubdirs, TagsSubdirs, and 
MakefileSubdirs contained  EXTRASUBDIRS, the rules for dependInstallClean, 
InstallSubdirs, InstallDocSubdirs, InstallAliasSubdirs, DependInstallSubdirs, 
and WorldInstallSubdirs do not contain EXTRASUBDIRS.


This of course makes it very inconvenient for me to use EXTRASUBDIRS to do 
what I wanted to do. Now I have one of two alternatives:


(i) Hack the root level Imakefile to do what I want to do.


(ii) Change imake.tmpl to add EXTRASUBDIRS to the rules that are missing them.


My question is what course does the collective wisdom of info-andrew suggest 
that I take.


For the time being I have changed imake.tmpl since that seemed to be simpler 
to do than the other alternative. However, since I do not know the rationale 
behind the way imake.tmpl was originally setup, I do not know whether what I 
did is right or not. So I look for the guidance of Andrew experts.


BTW I have built Andrew PL6 using my modified imake.tmpl and it builds and 
installs fine, including the local stuff.


Thanks.


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The EXTRASUBDIRS variable is indeed meant for directories in which some 
recursion, but not all recursion, is supposed to occur.  That is, directories 
listed in EXTRASUBDIRS are supposed to have Makefile's generated for them, and 
are supposed to be Clean'ed, but are not supposed to be built.  This is the 
mechanism by which, say, the overhead/pobbconf Makefile is built, so the 
installation of that directory then awaits the AMDS installer setting it up.


Thus, adding the EXTRASUBDIRS to the rules not currently using them is asking 
for trouble.


Every Imakefile could have an EXTRASUBDIRS variable.  Defining that variable 
in site.mcr is really asking for trouble.  That is, the way you tried setting 
it up, every directory that contains subdirectories would try to build 
Makefiles in its non-existent ``local'' and ``sda'' subdirectories.


Unfortunately, the Andrew distribution doesn't have what you would really 
like, which would be some customer-dependent subdirectory in which local 
applications could be housed.  You have to ask where it would go, though; 
perhaps after ``andrew/contrib'' could come ``andrew/site''.  Maybe some 
Imakefile wizard would want to patch that into existence, and then never patch 
anything under andrew/site again (roughly the way the site.h and site.mcr 
files exist now).  All the site-local changes could go under the andrew/site 
tree.


How does that sound?


		Craig

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Brian and I resolved this off-line.  His problem was a zero-length file in the 
folder into which his ATK-formatted posts were going, and CUI or his flames 
file were handling that situation badly.  (I've deleted his resolution 
messages, unfortunately, but I believe that the zero-length file was in a 
folder.)  It sounds like this qualifies as a CUI/message server bug.


In trying to reproduce the problem, I'm unable to.  I have no .AMS.flames 
file.  I can put a zero-length file in my mail folder, touch the .AMS_DIRMOD 
file, and read a new message with CUI.  CUI correctly notices the zero-length 
garbage file (~/.MESSAGES/mail/+garbage) and incorporates it (actually, 
deletes it--hm).


Maybe things don't work out so gracefully when a Flames file has trouble 
processing the non-existent message headers.


		Craig

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Excerpts from todo: 21-Sep-90 Further Questions about 386..
KW20SWK0%TWNITRI1.BI@vma (1153)

> Could anyone tell us what are these 6 patches? How can we get them?
> Our 386s are running SYSTEM V/386. Is this version(SYSTEM V/386) of
> Andrew Distribution available?

As has been mentioned, you are probably better off starting with the
PS2-AIX port, which is probably more compatable with SYSTEM V/386.
Patches are available via anonymous ftp to dublin.andrew.cmu.edu, or via
mail.   For more information on mail retrieval of information, send a
(blank) piece of mail to andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu

> We have great interest to know what are these new international-language
> features. Could anyone tell us further details about these features?

The international language features are support for the ISO 8859
character set in text and mail, a compose character function to allow
their entry, and printing support. So while this should be useful to the
European ATK users, I doubt that it will have any impact on implementing
Chinese text. 

    
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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
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attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 25-Sep-90 Problems installing ATK 
on .. Juergen Henke@ipa.fhg.de (1599)}


\quotation{	- putting crt0.o in the ld command in makedo.csh and dofix.c


\quotation{- building libcx.a again


}}Sorry, I wrote the last letter in quite a hurry, so a think I missed some 
points:


This is my Imakefile in overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips:


\example{/* 
********************************************************************** *\\

 *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1989 - All Rights Reserved      *

 *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

\\* ********************************************************************** */

DependTarget()


NormalObjectRule()

NormalAsmPPRule()


all:: globals.o entry.o doload.o


globals.o: globalrefs._h


entry.o: entry.s

        cc -c -I. entry.s


globalrefs._h:  libc.eplist

                $(AWK) '\{printf "\\tglobalref(%s)\\n", $$2\}' libc.eplist 
>,globalrefs._h

                $(MV) ,globalrefs._h globalrefs._h


libc.eplist:    $(MIPSLIBC_G0).a /lib/crt0.o getlist.awk

                $(RM) /tmp/libhack.a

                $(AR) /tmp/libhack.a /lib/crt0.o

                $(NM) -go $(MIPSLIBC_G0).a /tmp/libhack.a | $(TR) ":" " " | \\

                        $(AWK) -f getlist.awk >,libc.eplist

                $(MV) ,libc.eplist libc.eplist

                $(RM) /tmp/libhack.a


InstallLibrary(libcx.a, $(DESTDIR)/lib)

InstallFileToFile(makedo.csh,$(INSTPROGFLAGS),$(DESTDIR)/bin/makedo)


all::           libcx.a


DelList._:      libc.eplist

                $(AWK) '\{print $$1\}' libc.eplist | $(SORT) -u > ,DelList._

                $(MV) ,DelList._ DelList._


errlst.o:       mkerrlst

                ./mkerrlst >errlst.c

                $(CC) -c errlst.c


libcx.a:        $(MIPSLIBC_G0).a DelList._ errlst.o

                rm -rf new

                mkdir new

                        cd new;\\

                        ar x $(MIPSLIBC_G0).a;\\

                        cp ../errlst.o .;\\

                        ar cq ,libcx.a *.o /lib/crt0.o;\\

                        ar d ,libcx.a `cat ../DelList._`;\\

                        $(RANLIB) ,libcx.a

                $(MV) new/,libcx.a libcx.a

                rm -rf new


ProgramTarget(dofix,dofix.o,,)

ProgramTarget(mkerrlst,mkerrlst.o,,)

InstallProgram(dofix,$(DESTDIR)/bin)


clean::

        $(RM) DelList._ libc.eplist globalrefs._h ,* libcx.a errlst.o errlst.c 
mkerrlst mkerrlst.o



}This Imakefile makes sure that errlst.o will be included in libcx.a. 

Rebuild libcx.a and verify that errlst.o is there, it is definitely needed. 


Crt0.o is \bold{NOT} needed in libcx.a. (I.e. it works better without it ... )

(Maybe you'll have trouble building runapp, then you'll have to link in 
/lib/crt0.o explictily)


\bold{Btw,  ATK folks, what is libcx.a used for, I'm not sure I understand you 
fully (:-))

}
Remove it with %ar d /usr/andrew/lib/libcx.a crt0.o and ranlib.


After this is done, try rebuilding environ.do


\quotation{The whole stuff in overhead built without errors.


}(Without any reported errors, that is ... )




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In section 1.2.6 (Other Machine Types) of the README file: 

directories
	overhead/class/machdep
	atk/console/stats
	atk/console/stats/<machine>
	atk/console/stats/common

need customization for machine types not included in overhead/class/machdep.

I'm trying to port Andrew to an Intel 386 machine (AT386/33MHz) running
AT&T UNIX System V.3.

Can anyone help me by sending these updates to enable me to port Andrew to
the above platform.

Thanks in Advance

Stephen McIntosh 
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Subject: User query management systems

Can somebody in the Andrew organisation tell me how they manage user queries
submitted to program advisory office(s)? I believe the messages are processed
through bulletin boards. What I really want to know is how do the Andrew staff
manage this internally? Are there any tools in use to semi-automate the
process? For example how does adviser A know that adviser B is dealing with
query Z from user M? Further, is there a way for advisers to refer queries on
to technical specialists, etc? The bottom line is that I would like to lift
completely a suitable Unix-based query management system that would be
appropriate to my organisation. All information and advice gratefully received
from Andrew and, indeed, anybody else out there. Many thanks in advance. 

Ian Rumford,
Bloomsbury Computing Consortium,
University College London,
University of London, England.
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Well,  almost a week has gone by and I haven't gotten any responses at all

to my message about trouble building Andrew under SunOS 4.1:


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Sep-90 Trouble 
Building Andrew Und.. Tom Crockett@icase.edu (1504+0)}


\quotation{We're having trouble building Andrew (w/ patches 1-6) under SunOS 
4.1 on a Sun 4/60.  We get the following error when doing a 
\typewriter{\smaller{make dependInstall}} for \bold{atk/console/cmd}:

}
\example{\smaller{\quotation{doload:  Errors while processing

}\quotation{doindex: indexing consolea.do ...doload:  Internal botch - should 
have resolved in doload_preset

}\quotation{doindex: NULL entrypoint from consolea.do...program terminated!

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `consolea.do'

}\quotation{Current working directory 
/usr/local/share/X11R4/src/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atk/console/cmd

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'

}}}

Should I infer from this that (1) other sites are not seeing this problem, or 
(2) this is something simple and we just haven't figured it out yet, or (3) 
nobody is running Andrew under SunOS 4.1?


Our sources are current through patchlevel 6, and the same configuration 
builds and runs cleanly under SunOS 4.0.3, except for minor fixes in 
\bold{overhead/util/lib/getcpw.c} and \bold{overhead/util/lib/getvpwkey.c}. In 
these two routines, we eliminated references to the 
\typewriter{\smaller{pw_quota}} field of the \smaller{\typewriter{passwd}} 
structure, which, following the System V conventions, is no longer defined in 
4.1.  We did this by setting  \typewriter{\smaller{STD_DEFINES = -DSUNOS41}} 
in \bold{site.mcr} and then adding SUNOS41 to the \typewriter{\smaller{#if}} 
tests for systems which don't support pw_quota.  Our assumption is that this 
symbol is not currently being used elsewhere in the sources, and so should be 
side-effect free (and even if it were defined elsewhere, it's what we would 
want to do anyway).  Is this a poor assumption?


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

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Those of you who know me know that I rarely use Messages (Long live VUI!)
But, tonight I was taken by the urge to peruse old andrew-demos posts,
so I started up messages, perused for a while, and then...

Blip.

It died with this cryptic suicide note in my xterm:

grow failed because stack limit exceeded, pid 815, proc messages
ts = 0xcc, ds = 0x2fa, ss = 0x7f
grow failed because stack limit exceeded, pid 815, proc messages
ts = 0xcc, ds = 0x2fa, ss = 0x7f
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sendsig: can't grow stack, pid 815, proc messages
grow failed because stack limit exceeded, pid 815, proc messages
ts = 0xcc, ds = 0x2fa, ss = 0x7f

Well, now I remember why I don't run messages much.

Eeyore
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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
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menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 24-Sep-90 Re: imake.tmpl question 
Craig_Everhart@transarc. (1404+0)}


\quotation{Thus, adding the EXTRASUBDIRS to the rules not currently using them 
is asking for trouble.

}
\quotation{Every Imakefile could have an EXTRASUBDIRS variable.  Defining that 
variable in site.mcr is really asking for trouble.  That is, the way you tried 
setting it up, every directory that contains subdirectories would try to build 
Makefiles in its non-existent ``local'' and ``sda'' subdirectories.

}
I came to that realization soon after the first build using that setup.


\quotation{Unfortunately, the Andrew distribution doesn't have what you would 
really like, which would be some customer-dependent subdirectory in which 
local applications could be housed.  You have to ask where it would go, 
though; perhaps after ``andrew/contrib'' could come ``andrew/site''.  Maybe 
some Imakefile wizard would want to patch that into existence, and then never 
patch anything under andrew/site again (roughly the way the site.h and 
site.mcr files exist now).  All the site-local changes could go under the 
andrew/site tree.

}
\quotation{How does that sound?

}
I am in the process of putting in the change as you suggest in the top level 
Imakefile. I would be glad to submit a patch to it if so desired by the Andrew 
community.


Thanks for your suggestion and comment.




\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

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From: Ian Rumford <RUMFORD@bmads.ucl.ac.uk>

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Subject: User query management systems


Can somebody in the Andrew organisation tell me how they manage user queries

submitted to program advisory office(s)? I believe the messages are processed

through bulletin boards. What I really want to know is how do the Andrew staff

manage this internally? Are there any tools in use to semi-automate the

process? For example how does adviser A know that adviser B is dealing with

query Z from user M? Further, is there a way for advisers to refer queries on

to technical specialists, etc? The bottom line is that I would like to lift

completely a suitable Unix-based query management system that would be

appropriate to my organisation. All information and advice gratefully received

from Andrew and, indeed, anybody else out there. Many thanks in advance. 


Ian Rumford,

Bloomsbury Computing Consortium,

University College London,

University of London, England.


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\quotation{Well, now I remember why I don't run messages much.

}
Hey, what a good and clever slam.


The pmax has small stack limits.  Unlimit your stack before reading lots of 
old demo posts.


Didn't the message ``grow failed because stack limit exceeded'' suggest this?

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Chris Thyberg and I have written a paper that answers your question in
great detail.  It will be appearing in a forthcoming special issue (on
the topic of CSCW) of the International Journal of Man-Machine Studies. 
If you want to send me your physical address, I can send you a preprint.
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How can I set how far back the update command will look at messages.   The
"update" seems to only look at up to 4 days old messages. Here is what CUI
displays:

\example{CUI> update drafts

Looking for new mail in ~/Mailbox

No new messages in ~/Mailbox

Checking drafts ...

First time updating /u/mag/.MESSAGES/drafts

Starting with messages from 4 days ago. . .

No new messages.

}I would also like to set it, so the update command will look at all the
messages in given folder. Regardless of the date.


Is there anyway to stop "messages" from reading mail automatically?,  when
it's first executed.


I have set in the /AndrewSetup file; AMS_UseShortFileNames;yes (In order to
have filenames under 14 characters long).  However, this does not seem to
apply to the CKP files written while checkpointing. So, in my home directory I
have a bunch of CKP files which never dissapear.  Is this how it's suppose to
work?.  Should CKP files be deleted once you quit out of the application?


Where can I find documentation on flags for messages, and how do I use these
flags with the "messages" interface?.( I have already looked at all the cui
help files).


How does one set  "urgent" for a message, using  the "messages" interface?


	Thanks!!

	Marlon

	Watson AIX Information Center

	mag@ibm.com

	(914)784-7334



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Ian,

	I'll be responding to you personally about this.  I'm the full-time staff 
consultant responsible for Advisor at CMU. 


-Judy Jackson

jetson@andrew.cmu.edu

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"update" only behaves that way the first time you ever read a folder --
after the first time, it should do exactly what you said you want.  The
different first-time behavior is intended to avoid obnoxiousness on
large bboards you've just started reading.  You can always look at old
stuff using the "headers" command.

It sounds like there is indeed a bug in naming the .CKP files for
short-file-name systems.

I'm not sure what you mean by "stopping meessages from reading mail
automatically" when first executed, but not other times -- you'll need
to explain what you want more clearly, I think.

I think all the documentation you need is in the help files -- what
kinds of flags were you interested in?

Finally, I don't think we ever implemented the "urgent" feature in the
Messages user interface, only in CUI.   -- Nathaniel
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That should be emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, not dublin. dublin will not accept 
anonymous ftp. Sorry for the confusion.


	Tom

Tom Neuendorffer 	(tpn@andrew.cmu.edu)

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Ave.

Pittsburgh, Pa. 15213-3890

Phone:	(412) 268-6108

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Christer,


Since this question comes up periodically I'll copy info-andrew in my reply.


Libcx.a is there because the dynamic loader must partition libc.a into two 
groups of modules:


  a)  those modules which are loaded with runapp and so are always available.

  b)  modules which are loaded in individual .do files when needed.


Group a is necessary so that global data structures, such as those used by 
malloc, are defined only once.  It also functions like a shared library, since 
the code segment of runapp is shared across all ATK applications.  This saves 
a lot of space.  The dynamic loader knows about entry points in group a and 
resolves them as .do files are loaded.


Group b is necessary to keep from putting all of libc.a into runapp, which 
would make it outrageously large.  Library modules in group b are pre-loaded 
into the .do files which need them.  Makedo accomplishes this by doing a 
partial load ("ld -r")  with libcx.a as a library.  If it were to use libc.a 
instead then all library modules would be loaded into all .do files, the 
equivalent of making group a empty.


This division could be eliminated if the dynamic loader were to do its own 
library resolution or if the operating system provides a dynamic loader which 
does so.  This would be more elegant but might lead to other problems - for 
example the .do files would be less self-contained and the dynamic loader 
would be slower and more complex.


John Howard

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Subject: second time; CUI update command, and messages questions.

Sorry about the first message. The formatting got messed up.


How can I set how far back the update command will look at messages.
The "update" seems to only look at up to 4 days old messages. Here is
what CUI displays:  CUI> update drafts  Looking for new mail in
    ~/Mailbox  No new messages in ~/Mailbox  Checking drafts ...  First
    time updating /u/mag/.MESSAGES/drafts  Starting with messages from 4
    days ago. . .  No new messages.


I would also like to set it, so the update command will look at all the
messages in given folder. Regardless of the date.   Is there anyway to
stop "messages" from reading mail automatically?,  when it's first
executed.


I have set in the /AndrewSetup file; AMS_UseShortFileNames;yes (In order
to have filenames under 14 characters long).  However, this does not
seem to apply to the CKP files written while checkpointing. So, in my
home directory I have a bunch of CKP files which never dissapear.  Is
this how it's suppose to work?.  Should CKP files be deleted once you
quit out of the application?


Where can I find documentation on flags for messages, and how do I use
these flags with the "messages" interface?.( I have already looked at
all the cui help files).

 How does one set  "urgent" for a message, using  the "messages" interface?

 	Thanks!!
	Marlon  	
	T.J. Watson AIX Information Center  	
	mag@ibm.com  	
	(914)784-7334
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Thanks John for taking time answering my question. 


From your answer I understand that libcx.a contains all  modules that might be 
preloaded into any .do module.

Now, from the Imakefile I understand that, when creating libcx.a, the module 
/lib/crt0.o is \italic{explicitly} included into libcx.a. This module is not 
originally a member of /lib/libc.a (at least not on the DEC Mips machines).

I have experienced that, when crt0.o is included, it won't be possible to 
compile \italic{atk/basics/common/environ.do.}

If, however, crt0.o is deleted from libcx.a, environ.do compiled wothout 
error.


Is there something that breaks if I delete crt0.o from libcx.a forever. I 
haven't compiled all of ATK yet, so I haven't tested.


Chris.

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You can use the ``headers <folder>'' or ``headers <folder> since <date>'' CUI 
commands to let you see further back.  The ``update'' command wasn't designed 
for browsing backwards, but for keeping current with your subscriptions.


Give Messages the name of a folder on the startup line and it won't check your 
mail.  Thus, I could say

\leftindent{messages		; to read old&new mail and bboards

messages -m	; to read only old&new mail

messages mail	; to read only old mail; new mail not incorporated

messages foo.bar.baz	; to read only that one folder; new mail not incorporated

}
I don't know the answer to the question about checkpointing and the 14-char 
limit; perhaps Nathaniel can comment.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 25-Sep-90 CUI update 
command, and mes.. MAG@IBM.COM (1292+0)}


\quotation{Where can I find documentation on flags for messages, and how do I 
use these flags with the "messages" interface?.( I have already looked at all 
the cui help files).

}
\quotation{How does one set  "urgent" for a message, using  the "messages" 
interface?

}
There is no sensible way to deal with flags (other than ``examined'' or 
``deleted'') in Messages.  That's a limitation of the interface.  Sigh.


		Craig


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Excerpts from mail: 25-Sep-90 Re: CUI update command, and.. Nathaniel
Borenstein@thu (837)

> "update" only behaves that way the first time you ever read a folder --
> after the first time, it should do exactly what you said you want.  The
> different first-time behavior is intended to avoid obnoxiousness on
> large bboards you've just started reading.  You can always look at old
> stuff using the "headers" command.

It doesn't seem to work for me. I've tried several times after I created
the folder. Anyhow, let me tell you what I am trying to do, maybe there
is a better way.  I am writing a script which translates MH mail to AMS.
 Here are the steps:
	- Execute cui in order to create the .AMS_* files and directory.
	- Move everything under (MH) Mail directory to .MESSAGES.
	- Using CUI create all the folders.
	- Reconstruct all the folders.
Here is the problem. If I look at the folders via messages, it thinks
all the messages are unread (e.g. folderx (Mail; 20 new of 20)), but all
the messages have the check symbol next to them.  I don't want the user
to have to traverse these old messages in order to bring the folder
header up to date (Mail;0 new of 20).  Therefore, I thought I could use
the following command "cui update folderx ; skip 99; next; quit" to
bring the folder into sync.  Is this right, or is there an easier method
to translate MH to AMS?

> It sounds like there is indeed a bug in naming the .CKP files for
> short-file-name systems.
How do I summit this bug? ( I am new to the ATK)
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "stopping meessages from reading mail
> automatically" when first executed, but not other times -- you'll need
> to explain what you want more clearly, I think.
When you first start messages,  it says "Checking for new messages in
~/Mailbox" (something like that), and then it brings the new messages
into your mail folder. How can I tell messages not to bring in new
messages?

Thanks!  	
Marlon  	
T.J.Watson AIX Information Center  	
mag@ibm.com  	
(914)784-7334



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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>In these two routines, we eliminated references to the pw_quota field of the
>passwd structure, which, following the System V conventions, is no
>longer defined in 4.1.

The reason it was done is that password aging (S5-style) is supported by
SunOS 4.1, which means that in both environments (S5 and BSD) you want
to provide a "pw_age" field in the "struct passwd" structure.

The BSD "getpw*" routines, and the SunOS 4.0[.x] BSD-environment
routines, *always* set the "pw_quota" field to zero, so...

>We did this by setting  STD_DEFINES = -DSUNOS41 in site.mcr and then
>adding SUNOS41 to the #if tests for systems which don't support pw_quota.
>Our assumption is that this symbol is not currently being used elsewhere
>in the sources,

...if somebody *is* using it, I'm not sure why.  The two routines you
list (BTW, it's "gtvpwkey.c", not "getvpwkey.c", at least in the source
we have here) set it to zero as well.
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The latest patch, number 7, is available for your immediate action in the file 
/contrib/R4fixes/andrew/patch.007 or patch.007.Z compressed on 
expo.lcs.mit.edu (IP address 18.30.0.212).  You can also retrieve the file 
from host emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (IP address 128.2.30.62) as 
 patches/patch.007 or patches/patch.007.Z compressed.  If you prefer, you may 
pick up a compressed copy of the patched Andrew tree, andrew.007.tar.Z in the 
top level ftp directory on emsworth. 


This patch includes diffs for 266 source files.  In addition to the RCS logs 
located at the beginning of the patch file, the RELEASE NOTES at the end of 
this message includes specific information regarding fixes in this patch. 


If you don't have ftp access, mail retrieval is available.  For more 
information, send requests to andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu. 


As you know, you should apply these patches with Larry Wall's

patch program, which has been distributed on the X.V11R3 tape as well as

on the X.V11R4 tape and via netnews.  As the patches are all made from

context diffs, you may specify the '-c' option to patch.  You will also need

the '-p' option to allow patch to understand the pathnames in the patch

file.  Thus, you should do this:

	(retrieve contrib/R4fixes/andrew/patch.007)

	cd (directory with andrew distribution)

		(thus, ./overhead and ./atk exist)

	patch -c -p < ../patch.007


Good luck.


RELEASE NOTES: 


Updated README file.  Please read.  There is a new make variable PRE_X11R4_ENV 
that should be set in you site.h file if you are running a version of the X 
distribution that predates release 4.


Fixes in support of AMS/AMDS for the RS/6000.


Fixes for VUI on the RS/6000.


Changes to make sure that RESOLVLIB is linked into runapp (and others) iff 
RESOLVER_ENV is defined.  


Added -C switch to console which disables the opening of /dev/console for 

error monitoring.


Changed the definition of the ctext comment style such that it is now a fixed 
size font.


New metax package (atk/extensions/metax.*)


Fixed bug with user-supplied search paths in help application.


 Added proctable entries:

 	framecmds-set-window-title

 	framecmds-set-command-enable

 	framecmds-interact

 	framecmds-open-file

 	framecmds-open-view

 	framecmds-set-program-name


Fix for bug that limited the number of embedded insets allowed in a textview.


Added color and line-style support to zip programer interface.


Messages bboard tree window now correctly saves application state when 'Quit'. 
 As well, 'Delete Window' menu works as it should.


Dynamic loading code for pmaxen now correct.


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I just finished building Andrew V3 PL6 on SunOS4.1 on a Sun 4/60 (Sparcstation 
1). The first thing I tried to run is messages, and it produced a 10Meg core 
dump. Are there any known problems between PL6 messages and SunOS4.1?


Further testing showed that CUI works fine. VUI comes up but coredumps as soon 
as I try to read a mailbox using it. Both messages and sendmessage fail to go 
beyond the "Initializing Server State".


Ez seems to run OK.


Any ideas where I should be looking for the source of this problem?


Thanks.


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I've sent you message to the head of advisor. She'll give a complete answer 
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please remove me from your mailing list.
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Cc: Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>,
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This isn't really exactly an Andrew bug, but it is a genuine problem
that occurs when you're using LINKINSTALL_ENV and you have certain kinds
of X terminals.  The problem stems from the fact that some X terminals,
at least, can't (or won't) follow symbolic links when obtaining fonts
from NFS.   Therefore it is actually necessary to point them to a single
directory where all the fonts reside.  Naturally, this means
LINKINSTALL_ENV causes problems on the fonts.

The easy fix for me was to just copy all the fonts to a single
directory.  Figuring out the problem & solution, however, was not so
obvious.  My suggestion is that a new installation variable be added,
e.g. LINKINSTALLFONTS_ENV, that can easily permit LINKINSTALL_ENV to be
used for everything *except* font installation.   

The reason I don't just completely shrug this off as a bug in the X
terminal is that I've heard that it is considered, by some terminal
manufacturers, to be some sort of security-related feature, and though
this strikes me as really lame, it does suggest that they might not be
planning to ever fix the problem...

Cheers.  -- Nathaniel
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Sep-90 Re: CUI update 
command, and.. MAG@ibm.com (2024)}


\quotation{Here is the problem. If I look at the folders via messages, it 
thinks }\quotation{all the messages are unread (e.g. folderx (Mail; 20 new of 
20)), but all }\quotation{the messages have the check symbol next to them.  I 
don't want the user }\quotation{to have to traverse these old messages in 
order to bring the folder }\quotation{header up to date (Mail;0 new of 20). 
 Therefore, I thought I could use }\quotation{the following command "cui 
update folderx ; skip 99; next; quit" to }\quotation{bring the folder into 
sync.  Is this right, or is there an easier method }\quotation{to translate MH 
to AMS?

}
Very interesting -- I'd never thought about this problem before, and nobody 
else who has written such conversion scripts seems to have mentioned it 
either.  I don't think the skip 99 approach you described would really work 
very well, particularly with very large folders.  However, if your script 
knows the number of messages in the folder (which it can find out pretty 
easily with something like NUMMSGS=`ls | wc`) you can probably do what you 
want with an ugly CUI command line like this one:


cui set term 0 \\; headers foldername \\; set seenlast $NUMMSGS \\; quit


The trick here is that if you start out with "headers foldername", it will 
print all the captions out in order, and the last one will be numbered 
$NUMMSGS.  "set seenlast" can then do what you want.  (The "set term 0" just 
gets rid of "more mode" when it shows you all those headers.)  Note also that 
this command will generate a lot of output, which can probably be sent to 
/dev/null.


Hope that helps!  -- Nathaniel


PS -- To report the bug in short-name checkpoint files, send mail to 
info-andrew-bugs+@andrew.cmu.edu.  I think Craig answered your other question 
about starting up the Messages program.  Good luck!  -- Nathaniel

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I can't understand why things from crt0.o would ever be in libcx.a.  My 
understanding of crt0.o is that is is used only at startup and thus is not 
needed by dynamically loaded modules.  The Imakefile does add it during the 
process of building libcx.a but then should remove all symbols defined by 
crt0.o in the next line.  I believe that crt0.o is added to libcx.a to keep 
the next line from producing errors about files that it can't delete because 
they are not there.


Thus removing the addition of crt0.o from the building of libcx.a should be 
fine assuming that ar  doesn't give any fatal errors when asked to remove 
files that are no there.  In fact this problem is better solved by just 
removing crt0.o from the list of files that are to be deleted when creating 
libcx.a.


Andy





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One of our users sent me the following mail regarding their 386 port of ATK. I 
will post to to the Andrew mailing list when it is available.


\quotation{Tom,

}\quotation{	I'll get my authorisation signed. The caveat will be that our 
copyright is preserved in the code we have modified.

}
\quotation{I'd like to send you a copy to include in yor next release and make 
available for FTP. We will happily field any questions about the port and 
respond to bugs, however it's all care and no responsibility, it's not a 
supported product.

}
\quotation{I'll get back to you today or tomorrow with more details. I'd say 
we will be able to get something to you in about 2 to 3 weeks.

}
\quotation{In the interim you can tell people that the port is for Interactive 
Systems 386/ix v2.2. It's only been tested on AST 386/25 PC's with 8M memory 
and I's sugest you need a 386/25 and at least 8M memory to build a useful 
system.

}

I will post to the ATK news group when this becomes available.

	regards,

		Tom



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Subject: handling messages with missing 'From:' lines

A few of the mailers around here like to send out messages with valid
'From' header lines, but with no 'From:' header line  (note the absence
of a colon in the first case).  When messages gets these, it lists the sender
as "<unknown sender>".  Does anyone else have this problem?  I believe
that this is semi-typical in the UUCP world.   How would one go about
making messages look at the 'From' line if the 'From:' line is missing?

Thanks very much,

	Bill Schell
	AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ
	bill@allegra.att.com

PS: here's a typical message header of the type I mentioned

--------------------
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 .
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I have just noticed that making changes to
zip
eq
raster
objects within a text object do not signal buffer modified to the parent
text object.  (There may be others, but these are the ones I tried.)

Is this something that can be fixed?

It seems easily possible that ez users who are now accustomed to
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(ATK patchlevel 6+ (Version 15.0) on AOS RT, and PS/2)

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I have no idea what crt0.o contains in most systems, but it seems to me
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The issue here is that crt0.o is linked into runapp and therefore should not 
appear in libcx.a at all.  From what I can tell the code in the Imakefile 
explicitly puts in crt0.o into libcx.a, only so that it can pull it back out 
again.  This should of course work (and I'm not sure why it isn't on a 5000) 
but seems rather redundant.


Andy

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Messages, and indeed AMS, is an RFC822 mail user agent.  It assumes that 
incoming messages are roughly RFC822-conformant.


The ``From_'' line (as it's conventionally referred to) is lots like the 
RFC822 Return-path: line in that it contains the envelope-from information, 
but it also contains a timestamp-when-received.  It's not at all a 
plug-replacement for the From: line.  I would argue, further, that it's not 
even a good loose replacement for the From: information.


Sure, somebody could dink with the caption-building code to have it look for a 
From_ line for the message sender, but I think it's silly, and would point the 
``problem'' back to the originators of From:-less mail.


		Craig

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\quotation{A few of the mailers around here like to send out messages with 
valid }\quotation{'From' header lines, but with no 'From:' header line  (note 
the absence }\quotation{of a colon in the first case).  When messages gets 
these, it lists the sender }\quotation{as "<unknown sender>".  Does anyone 
else have this problem?  I believe }\quotation{that this is semi-typical in 
the UUCP world.   How would one go about }\quotation{making messages look at 
the 'From' line if the 'From:' line is missing?

}
I believe that this problem should go away completely with patch 7.  I haven't 
yet installed patch 7, but it contains a patch that I sent in, which is a 
variant on a previous suggestion by Lennart Lovstrand.  It will turn the UNIX 
"From " lines into valid RFC 822 "Return-path" headers.  The main motivation 
for this fix was to allow re-sending of multimedia mail, which was broken when 
"From " lines were present and sendmail got its fingers in the pie.  However, 
a side effect will be to fix your case, too, because "Return-path" is used as 
a last resort in building captions if there's no "From", "Resent-From",  or 
"Sender" header.  (See ams/libs/ms/prettyn.c for the whole algorithm.)  Thus, 
although that wasn't the intent of the patch, I think it should be fixed with 
patch 7.


How's that for service -- the latest patch fixed your bug before you reported 
it, and you were told about the fix before anyone from CMU had time to 
respond!  

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Subject: Still no luck trying to make Andrew under SunOS 4.1

Help!

After a full week of trying, I'm still not able to get Andrew to build
under SunOS 4.1 (and as of yesterday, neither had tom@icase.edu, who
has also been posting to this list about this).  We have one report of
it building on a Sun 4/260 under 4.1, from cameron@cs.flinders.oz.au,
but using his config files, we had no success.

We tried re-building the exact code that worked on SunOS 4.0.3
previously with the same config parameters, and that failed.  We tried
loading andrew  from scratch from the tapes on wuarchive, including
applying the paches 1-6.  We also thought it might be the compiler, but
couldn't get it to work using either bundled cc from Sun or gcc.

Cameron mentioned that he had to get fresh copies of config/ImakeMacros.d
and config/andrew.rls from ITC, and the only thing I have left to try is
to get these files from him and see if they have an impact on the compile.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?  Should the install/upgrade of
ANY software be this hard?

Thanks

Steve Cousins			sbc@informatics.wustl.edu
Medical Informatics Lab.	314-362-4322
Washington University

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Subject: Messages weirdness

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I was running messages under twm (my usual window manager) today, and tried to 
respond to a message on a bboard, but accidentally selected "reply to sender" 
instead of "reply to all".  After I clicked to place the sendmessage window, I 
went back to select the right menu option.  I had to place a new window twice, 
and both of them appeared without title bars!  Subsequent experimentation 
showed that messages does normally ask you to place twice when there isn't an 
outgoing window around (which there wasn't).


I wasn't sure whether this was a bug in messages or twm, so I started up mwm 
and tried the same thing.  I found out that mwm is much faster about asking 
you to re-place the window and it was much more difficult to get to the 
incoming messages pop up between placing the first window and being asked to 
place the second.  When I did succeed in doing this however, I found that if I 
popped up the menu between the two requests-to-place, the second 
request-to-place disappeared somehow!  (If I selected one of the reply 
functions, I got a single request-to-place, the same as I would normally if a 
outgoing messages window was already open somewhere.)  No sign of the failure 
to reparent that I got in twm.


Now admittedly this is not something that everyone always does, but some 
people might do it more than others (it reminds me a little of the way Macs 
used to crash if you dragged a disk to the trash while another disk was being 
mounted in the Finder, but is apparently considerably less serious than that) 
and it is still very strange.


I have several questions:


First and foremost, why does one get asked to place the outgoing message 
window TWICE under normal circumstances when there is none already present?


Second, why does the user have to re-place the outgoing message window when 
there is one already present?  Wouldn't it be possible to simply use (possibly 
popping and/or deiconifying if necessary) the existing window?  Is there 
something wrong with this as far as interface consistency or theory goes?


Third, why do I get this strange behavior between "request-to-place"s?  I'm 
not sure where exactly the bug is, but I get the feeling that messages (or 
possibly ATK) must be doing at least something slightly wrong, since I observe 
weird behavior in two different window managers.  (I can't think of anything 
besides the window manager that it would be related to.)  I haven't tried (and 
don't use) wmc, but if I understand correctly, there's no such thing as a wmc 
request-to-place, so it probably works fine.


All of this is on a cluster pmax, if that makes any difference.


While I'm on the subject, I've been quite annoyed by messages when I'm 
executing a command using the status line and it checkpoints in the middle of 
the command.  When the command doesn't complete immediately, it becomes very 
difficult to tell whether the command is still executing (AFS slowness) or has 
failed and printed out an error message which I can't see because it's at the 
right end of the status line and the checkpoint message pushed that part of 
the line out of the window.  Can anyone fix this?!?!


I would appreciate any light people can shed on these subjects.


-Vince\
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Messages requiring the window to be placed more than once is a known bug that 
has been fixed in later versions of ATK.  This and the other oddities about 
bringing up a sendmessage window are, I believe, due to an attempt to overcome 
a bug having to do with the messages options to automatically shift the input 
focus to the sendmessage window.


I'm not sure there's anything that can be done about the checkpoint message 
pushing other message line output off the edge, sorry.


-Rob Ryan

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I just executed patch.007 on the HP 300 series machines.  The exercise was 
easier than usual but there are 2 problems left.


1) the make bombs in \bold{atk/extensions/metax.c}

     cc complains that it cannot find <strings.h> .  I believe you have solved 
this problem but it doesn't appear to have made it into the patch file.  Could 
you please send me your solution so that we get our sources in sync.  I have 
added an ifdef with #include <string.h> for hpux.


2) \bold{atk/ness/doc} stops in "nessrun present.n nessauth.d".  Again, I 
believe that you have solved this problem; I remember Fred H. being in your 
office working on it once while I called, but again, the patch doesn't appear 
to have made it to the official release.


Jean

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Ahh.. my favorite subject for the week!


I have finally been able to build Andrew PL6 and PL7 under SunOS4.1, with a 
little finagling. The stuff in atk/ness/doc failed to build because nessrun 
coredumped in PL7 and for a slightly different reason in PL6. So I temporarily 
hacked the Imakefile in atk/ness to avoid building atk/ness/doc at all. The 
rest built and installed fine. But then the fun began.


(1) First, when I tried to crank up runapp it crashed, I mean the whole darned 
workstation went south on a panic trap. I saved the core and am waiting for 
expert advice from our friendly Sun PAL. In my opinion nothing that a mere 
application does should cause the kernel to go south. this happens in about 
50% of my attempts to start up an Andrew application out of my .xinitrc file, 
and about 25% of the time when starting an Andrew application from an xterm 
window. It never happens when starting an Andrew application from gdb.


(2) Next Ez under certain circumstances started to core dump. In particular 
this happens when you try to create a new window using ^X2. Took a look at 
what is happening using gdb. It seems to be crapping out at some inoccuous 
assignment statement in frame_InitializeObject.


(3) Messages failed to come up. That one seems to be trapping at some 
inoccuous assignment statement in site.c, which compiles and works fine on 
4.0.3.


All this leads me to start suspecting the sanity of the 4.1 C compiler/loader. 
Will continue investigating and keep you all posted.

\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

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\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 28-Sep-90 Re: Still no 
luck trying to.. J Mukerji@mtgzx.att.com (1627+0)}


\quotation{The stuff in atk/ness/doc failed to build because nessrun 
coredumped in PL7 and for a slightly different reason in PL6. So I temporarily 
hacked the Imakefile in atk/ness to avoid building atk/ness/doc at all. The 
rest built and installed fine. But then the fun began.

}
\quotation{(1) First, when I tried to crank up runapp it crashed, 

}
This is not too surprising because nessrun now uses runapp, so if runapp is 
going to die, so will nessrun.  This is not a bug in ness (as far as I can 
see) but a reflection of the fact that ness/doc is the first time in the build 
process where runapp actually gets executed.


Fred Hansen

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Environment: Andrew from X11R4 tapes with patches 1-6, X11R4 patchlevel 14
        on Sun3 with os 4.0.3

After applying patch 6 and rebuilding the Andrew system I get core dumps at
a very irregular basis - messages doesn't run at all (I've linked against
/usr/lib/libresolv.a - that shouldn't be the problem - or is it?).
I don't have any clue where to start looking - everything worked fine at
patchlevel 5.

Any help appreciated - Hans

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The Imakefile in "contrib" insists on making "eatmail" even if AMS_ENV
is not defined; it won't build, as it depends on AMS include files that
aren't installed if AMS isn't built.  A fix:

*** Imakefile.dist	Thu Sep 27 16:56:55 1990
--- Imakefile	Sat Sep 29 11:41:13 1990
***************
*** 1,3 ****
  #define IHaveSubdirs
  SUBDIRS = compress hyplink wpedit ltext m3text \
! 	mtext ptext rctext rmtext tm time eatmail
--- 1,8 ----
  #define IHaveSubdirs
+ 
+ #ifdef	AMS_ENV
+ EATMAIL = eatmail
+ #endif /* AMS_ENV */
+ 
  SUBDIRS = compress hyplink wpedit ltext m3text \
! 	mtext ptext rctext rmtext tm time $(EATMAIL)
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From: james@engrs.unl.edu (James Nau)
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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: IBM RISC System 6000 Build of Andrew (long)

I just successfully built patchlevel 7 of Andrew on an RS/6000.  I only
had a few problems.  One problem was that XErrorHandler was undefined
(sorry, I don't remember where anymore).  So, I dipped into the R4 header
files and added the following to my /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h file:

typedef int (*XErrorHandler) (      /* WARNING, this type not in Xlib spec */
#if NeedFunctionPrototypes
    Display*            /* display */,
    XErrorEvent*        /* error_event */
#endif
);


I also received warnings about string literals being too long.  One place
was ./atk/text/txttroff.c.  It complained about structures symtran, and
symatran.  I can see this being a warning since they are 2 character arrays
storing "xx", which would be 3 chars with a trailing \0.  I think it
happened somewhere else too, but didn't note where.

The biggest problem with builing it was paging space.  I started out with
48MEG (with 16MEG RAM).  That wasn't enough.  (Oh yeah, I did build
inside X, with 3 windows total).  I increased to 60MEG paging space, and
then it was fine (the largest I ever saw used was about 52Meg).

Also, in ./atk/zip/lib/zipve02.c (and somewhere in dvi2disp.c) I got
errors about unknow directives on various lines:

zipve02.c, line 663: unknown directive == "#White\n\"
zipve02.c, line 701: unknown directive == "#Black\n\"
zipve02.c, line 704: unknown directive == "#*G;1100,100\n\"
zipve02.c, line 705: unknown directive == "#NZIP-SHADE=100\n\"
zipve02.c, line 706: unknown directive == "#G100\n\"
zipve02.c, line 707: unknown directive == "#>1200,-100\n\"
zipve02.c, line 865: unknown directive == "##*G;-120,1000\n##>120,-1000\n\"
zipve02.c, line 899: unknown directive == "##*1;0,0\n##T*\n\"
zipve02.c, line 936: unknown directive == "##*1;0,0\n##T*\n\"
zipve02.c, line 973: unknown directive == "##*1;0,0\n##T*\n\"
zipve02.c, line 1010: unknown directive == "##*1;0,0\n##T*\n\"
zipve02.c, line 1048: unknown directive == "##*1;0,0\n\"
zipve02.c, line 1049: unknown directive == "##T*\n\"


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Ok, now it's built.  So, when starting ez, I get the following messages:

CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/a is not readable (error 2); ig
noring it.
CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/and is not readable (error 2); 
ignoring it.
CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/andre is not readable (error 2)
; ignoring it.
CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/andrew/dl is not readable (erro
r 2); ignoring it.
CLASS runtime warning:  CLASSPATH directory /usr/andrew/dlib/a is not readable (
error 2); ignoring it.
Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 15.1); please wait...

Now, I can see these being errors, since I know /usr/a doesn't exist. 
But, why is it trying to open /usr/a ???  The same errors seem to come
up with help, console (maybe everything with runapp?)

FYI, it seemed to take about 5-6 hours to compile building the default
stuff, and MK_BASIC_UTILS, and CONTRIB_ENV (oops, I didn't mean to
compile CONTRIB, oh well).  (But, the time may be off, since I did
have to restart a couple of times.)

I guess my main question now is, does anyone know what is causing
the CLASS runtime warning above?  And, how do I fix it?

Thanks
James Nau
College of Engineering
University of Nebraska--Lincoln

james@engrs.unl.edu
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