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I've made and tested out the console that was designed, and
I would like you to put it in general library.  Where should
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I can't believe I can't do this, but I can't figure out how to use
flames to write a whole message (including headers) through a pipe to
the stdin of a UNIX process.  In fact, I can't even figure out how to
write the message to a temp file, and then  use system() to run the
command.

Anyone know this trick?

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In-Reply-To: Message from "Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com>" dated "Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:12:11 PDT"

The relevant commands are "filter" and "system".   It's been years since
I've used them, but here's a code fragment I wrote years ago that still
works:

(defun post-netnews-mail (msg newsgroups)
  (progn 
   (filter
    0
    (strcat
     "From: "
     (addhost (car (getheadercontents msg "from")))
     NEWLINE "Subject: "
     (nulltoempty (car (getheadercontents msg "subject")))
     NEWLINE "Newsgroups: "
     newsgroups
     NEWLINE NEWLINE
     (getpartialbody msg 0 (bodylength msg)))
    "csh" "-c" "cat > /tmp/nnpost")
   (cond
    ((equal 0 (system "/usr/local/bin/inews -h < /tmp/nnpost >
/tmp/nnpost.out"))
     (finalappendmsgtodir msg (findfolder "bb.daemons.outnews" "w")))
    (T (rejectmessage
        msg
        (ReplyAddr msg "s")
        "BBoard.Maintainer <andrew>"
        (strcat	"The following message was rejected for netnews posting
by inews:"
                NEWLINE
                NEWLINE
                (car (cdr (filter 0 NIL	"cat" "/tmp/nnpost.out")))))))))

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Don't forget the various expedients available by embedding troff
in your document.  The ez-troff help page gives many useful cook book
solutions.  Remember to enclose troff directives either in the
format note style, or in a troff inset.  (See contrib/mit/annot/stroffet.*)

-wdc


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Remember, that the downside to using the Andrew fonts is that they never
added the foreign characters (They're 7 bit instead of 8 bit fonts.)

Properly speaking, the interline spacing problem does not lie with
the fonts.  The X11 fonts do what is typographically correct.
The drawtextv object decides to set interline spacing NOT by the
font's specified interline spacing metric, but by the bounding box.

I believe this was done to simplify the redrawing algorithm.
By using the bounding box instead of the interline spacing metric
you avoid having to worry about those cases when descenders dirty up
the text line below, or when very tall characters dirty up the line above.

My guess is that the Andy fonts were hand-tooled to kludge the right behavior.

-wdc


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\template{messages}
Well, with much trepidation, I am making available my html object.  I say 
trepidation, as there are still problems with it (see the README included in 
the distribution), but nothing too major: as I have previously said, we use it 
for all HTML document creation at our site and we experience few difficulties. 
 However, I don't have much time to fix problems with this right now, so I'll 
let people bash on it for a while and give me nice comments :-)  Especially 
appreciated would be some pointers on getting ADEW to accept my html object so 
that I can build an editor with more features, and on creating a standalone 
application independent of the rest of ATK (i.e. statically loaded).  Further, 
how would you go about making an ADEW application standalone from ATK....?


\italic{\bigger{Be warned: this is Alpha code!

}}
Well, I've disclaimed enough.  You can pick up a copy via ftp from the site 
\typewriter{ftp.cs.city.ac.uk} in the directory \typewriter{/pub/htmltext}. 
 Instructions on use and comments on what doesn't work can be found in the 
\typewriter{README} file.  


Oh yes, one more thing: All of the appearance of the HTML is controlled via 
the html.tpl file.  If people want to play with the styles and send me ideas 
for making it better (or not :-), please do.


Nick.

Nick Williams                          E-mail: njw@cs.city.ac.uk (MIME and 
ATK)

Systems Architecture Research Centre,  Tel: +44 71 477 8551

London, EC1V 0HB                       Fax: +44 71 477 8587

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Excerpts from direct: 6-Oct-93 Re: how to pipe mail messag.. Nathaniel
Borenstein@thu (997*)

> The relevant commands are "filter" and "system".   It's been years since
> I've used them, but here's a code fragment I wrote years ago that still
> works:

Thanks again, Nathaniel, but that doesn't do what I need.  What your
example does is to write a version of the message, which includes two of
the original headers, and the new header "Newsgroups" to a file, and
then you write the body of the message to a file.  I'd like to write the
entire original text of the message, including all headers, to a file
(preferably in one fell swoop).

Bill
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Excerpts from mail: 6-Oct-93 Re: how to pipe mail messag.. Bill
Janssen@parc.xerox. (646)

> Thanks again, Nathaniel, but that doesn't do what I need.  What your
> example does is to write a version of the message, which includes two of
> the original headers, and the new header "Newsgroups" to a file, and
> then you write the body of the message to a file.  I'd like to write the
> entire original text of the message, including all headers, to a file
> (preferably in one fell swoop).

Well, I didn't claim that it would do precisely what you needed, merely
that it pointed you in the right direction.  I believe there are FLAMES
commands that you can use to get all the headers, and then you can write
them out, too, although not in one fell swoop.   But I'm not in a good
position to check the docs right now...

I don't recall there being any simple way, in FLAMES, to get at the
entire message including headers without building it up piece by piece,
but that doesn't mean there isn't one...  -- Nathaniel
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Wow, is this ever nostalgic.

On Oct 6,  9:43pm, Nathaniel Borenstein wrote:
> Excerpts from mail: 6-Oct-93 Re: how to pipe mail messag.. Bill
> Janssen@parc.xerox. (646)
> > I'd like to write the entire original text of the message,
> > including all headers, to a file (preferably in one fell swoop).
> 
> I don't recall there being any simple way, in FLAMES, to get at the
> entire message including headers without building it up piece by
> piece, but that doesn't mean there isn't one...

Quite right.  In the following, I use "do" and "strcat".  I don't
remember whether FLAMES has "do", nor do I recall whether "strcat" is
the right function for concatenating strings, but you get the idea.

(defun write-msg-to-file (msg filename)
  (WriteFile filename
	     (strcat (do ((header-list (GetHeaderList msg)
				       (cdr header-list))
			  (string "" (strcat string
					     (car (car header-list))
					     ": "
					     (car (cdr (car header-list)))
					     "\n")))
			 ((null header-list) string))
		     "\n"
		     (GetPartialBody msg 0 (BodyLength msg)))
	     0))

Thanks are due to Steve Webster for his fine FLAMES manual.

The message written to the file will differ from the original in two
ways.  First, all header names will be in all-lowercase (which you can
correct, if this bugs you, by changing

    (car (car header-list))

above to

    (capitalize (car (car header-list)))

where capitalize is a function of your own devising which capitalizes
the header-name to your satisfaction).  Second, any long header lines
that, in the original, were split into multiple lines with "\n\t" will
be collapsed back into single long lines (which you can correct, if
this bugs you, by changing

    (car (cdr (car header-list)))

above to

    (split-long-line (car (cdr (car header-list))))

where split-long-line is a function of your own devising which splits
header bodies into multiple lines to your satisfaction [and in
accordance with RFC822 rules]).

Let me know whether it works.

-- 
Bob Glickstein
Z-Code Software Corp.
4340 Redwood Highway  Suite B-50
San Rafael, CA  94903
(415) 499-8649    (415) 499-3998 x114 (direct)

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 19-Oct-93 
european keyboard Johann Heinrichmeyer@ES- (332)}


\quotation{I want to input my german iso-latin codes (\^{vVdD|\\_}) as i am 
used to

}\quotation{in emacs, tcltk windows ...., what should i do?

}
I'm not sure how you do it in other applications but in AUIS, you use the 
compchar package.  


% help compchar


-Gary Keim

Andrew Consortium

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 19-Oct-93 
Reduced size installation (.. Torgeir Veimo@ii.uib.no (1788)}


\quotation{To do this I assume I need to install the entire atk compilation 
anyway, plus

}\quotation{doing make World in appropriate subdirs. Is there anything else 
to it? Can I 

}\quotation{possible reduce the size of the atk compilation? If I do, can I 
easily

}\quotation{install other components later?

}
You can use two strategies to keep the compile small:


1) clean up after yourself by cleaning out large a subdirectory after it's 
been compiled.  For instance, after the ./overhead directory is finished, 
clean it out:


overhead % make Clean


2) only build those directories under ./atk that you are going to use.  


atk % make dependInstall SUBDIRS="basics support supportviews text utils 
frame textaux atkvers ez extensions apps textobjects ezprint preview eq 
lookz"



\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 19-Oct-93 
Reduced size installation (.. Torgeir Veimo@ii.uib.no (1788)}


\quotation{Third, can I modify the keys used for selecting text, so that 
middle button

}\quotation{works as paste? (I`m not in favor of the middle button menus, 
which i find

}\quotation{awkward.)}


You can disable popup menus altogether by adding this to either you 
preferences file or the global preferences file 
($ANDREWDIR/lib/global.prf):


PopupMenus: off


You'd have to change the code to get the middle button to paste, and it 
would still have different symantics than in emacs because it pastes at the 
mouse cursor while in AUIS, the paste occurs at the text caret.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 19-Oct-93 
Reduced size installation (.. Torgeir Veimo@ii.uib.no (1788)}


\quotation{Fourth, can I set options to modify the distance between the 
shadow edges in

}\quotation{the motif style menu panes? I would like them to be different 
than the

}\quotation{default. And I would also like to change the font used in menus 
to a more

}\quotation{motif'is font, eg 'variable.'

}
Yes, see the menubar help topic.


-Gary Keim

Andrew Consortium

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Do people use the layout object? It has been suggested that it be
retired (removed or moved to contrib) in favor of figure, since figure
does the job of laying out insets in arbitrary rectangles. 

Thoughts? 

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Hello, I have a Sparc running SunOS 4.1.2. I have X11R5, pl23 and
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The line in question is:

World::
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I don't know why this does this.

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I'm asking people on this list that have access to a Solaris machine to 
check a few things for me.  


Please tell me:


Is there a C compiler?  Where is it located?


\leftindent{I know that there is a script in /usr/ucb/cc and that it uses 
an executable that is suppose to be located in /usr/ccs/bin/ucbcc.  On the 
machine I have access to, /usr/ccs/bin/ucbcc doesn't exist, but there is a 
C compiler in /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc.  Funny, ain't it?

}

Where is nm on your machine?  


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Excerpts from mail: 19-Oct-93 Andrew - can I get it? "Fred W.
Ramsey"@crl.com (380*)

> I found references to Andrew in a book of Internet mailing lists. I know 
> you must be quite busy, so I'll be brief. Is there a version of Andrew 
> that will run under Windows or DOS on IBM-compatible machines? I would be 
> very interested in participating in these lists and creating MM messages 
> if there were. Any info you can give me will be greatly apprieciated.

> Fred Ramsey

Try sending this to info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu

--fish





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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 16:27:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Neuendorffer <tpn+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject:ATK for 386's  (was: Andrew - can I get it?)
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Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 20-Oct-93 Re: Andrew - can I
get it? .. "Fred W. Ramsey"@crl.com (742*)

> Is there a version of Andrew that will run under Windows or DOS on
> IBM-compatible machines? I would be very interested in participating in
> these lists and creating MM messages  if there were.

The bad news is that I don't believe anyone has yet ported Andrew to DOS
or Windows. The good news is that ATK, along with X, the GNU stuff, and
an incredible number of utilities are now available on a cheap ($50)
CDROM based on the LINUX OS. So if you have a 386 or better with a CDROM
drive, this strikes me a quite a deal. You can also get all of this
stuff off the net and build it yourself, but I expect that the CDROM
will  save more then it's cost in time spent and disk-space needed. 
Following is the blurb from YGGDRASIL as posted on
comp.os.linux.announce. 
Note: I have no connection to YGGDRASIL, I just think it is neat that
the under $3000 workstation  (which is one of the assumptions we were
makeing back when we were developing Andrew) has finally arrived. 

	Tom

(forwarded message begins here )
--------------------------------------------

	      THE YGGDRASIL LINUX/GNU/X OPERATING SYSTEM
			      FALL 1993

CONTENTS:
	Executive Summary
	Highlights
	What makes LGX easy to use?
	Feature chart
	Version Numbers
        How to get a free copy
        How to get a copy by tomorrow    <--------
	Subscriptions
	Upgrade Path from the Beta Release
	Technical Support
        Reseller list
        Direct sales order form

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY                                           7 October 1993

        SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA--Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated is now
shipping LGX, a multimedia PC UNIX(R) clone competitive with Solaris
and Windows NT.  The 680-megabyte system includes the Postgres
database, the "Andrew" multimedia document system, seventeen optional
software packages, complete source code, and most importantly,
numerous features designed to make LGX easier, and therefore cheaper,
to install and maintain than other operating systems.  These
ease-of-use features include a manual with illustrations of what the
screen should look like at each step of installation, plug-and-play
operation, an easy-to-use installation mechanism, graphical "fill in
the blanks" control panels for easy system configuration, and other
enhancements.

	LGX is named after three of its principal components: the
Linux kernel, the GNU software suite, and the X window system.  LGX is
free software, so no license fees are necessary for LGX development to
be done by in house programmers, consultants, or anybody.  The LGX
manual lists support vendors, and Yggdrasil also offers such services,
including a 900 number for instant help with Linux-related questions.

	Yggdrasil is greatly indebted to the many free software developers
whose efforts have made this release possible.  As a token of appreciation,
any author of anything in LGX can get a free copy.  Other major contributors
to the Linux community and Operators of free Linux BBS's or Linux FTP sites
can also get a free copy.  For everyone else, LGX costs $49.95.

	For more information or to order, call 24 hours a day toll
free (800) 261-6630 or (408) 261-6630, or fax (408) 261-6631, or send
email to yci@netcom.com.  All individual direct sales orders received
before 6PM Eastern/3PM Pacific are shipped by an overnight delivery
service.  Reseller inquiries welcome.

	UNIX is a registered trademark of Unix System Laboratories.
LGX contains no proprietary software licensed from Unix System
Laboratories.

HIGHLIGHTS

	LGX is the first operating system distribution to include
Carnegie-Mellon University's Andrew system for processing documents
with embedded images, hypertext links, spreadsheets and other media.
Other document preparation facilities include TeX, groff, and the
"GhostScript" PostScript clone, all with X windows previewers.  For
editting files, LGX includes vi and two multiwindowing version of the
emacs text editor: FSF Emacs 19.19 and Lucid GNU Emacs 19.8.

	LGX now includes the ImageMagic viewer for JPEG, GIF, and TIFF
images, in addition to the MPEG video player that was in the LGX beta
release.  The X windows configuration script now supports resolutions
up to 1152x900 non-interlaced for sufficiently fast video cards such as
the ATI Ultra Pro.  Sound support has been expanded with the adagio
program.  General multimedia support has been expanded not only with
the inclusion of the Andrew system, but also with the addition of the
metamail system for processing multimedia mail.  The news reader and
the mailer have been configured to automatically invoke metamail when
they display MIME-format messages.

	LGX is also the first operating system to include Postgres,
the new remote database system developed at the University of
California, Berkeley to succeed Ingres.  A programming interface
between Postgres and the popular Tk/Tcl X windows toolkit for rapid
graphical interface development is included.  Tk/Tcl is similar to
NeXTStep, but runs under the industry standard X Window System.  The
version of Tk/Tcl is new and corresponds to the langauge described the
forthcoming book by Tk/Tcl's author, John Ousterhout.  Other X windows
programming toolkits include Xview for making OpenLook(tm)
applications, the InterViews C++ X windows toolkit, and the standard
MIT X windows libraries, including Xlib and Xt.  A version of Motif
that can be installed from the LGX graphical control panels will be
available soon.

	LGX's software development environment now includes software
quality tools such as DejaGnu for automated testing, the GNU Coverage
Tool to verify test coverage, Gnats for bug tracking and its graphical
user interface, TkGnats, and the Revision Control System and the
Concurrent Version System for maintaining source trees.  Of course,
the development environment also includes the GNU ANSI C and C++
compilers, the GNU debugger, GNU make, byacc, flex, and the GNU binary
utilities.

	Other features of LGX include "calc" mode for manipulating
mathematical equations in emacs, ethernet TCP/IP networking, UUCP,
the inn news transport system, and new additions to the games library,
including asteroids, battle zone, chess, mille bornes, othello, pool,
shogi, solitaire, tetris, and Connect Four.


EASE-OF-USE FEATURES

	LGX not only contains lots of software that no other
operating system distribution has, but also has numerous ease-of-use
features that have been engineered into LGX to make unix(r)-like
operating systems accessible to more people, and to reduce
installation and maintenance problems.

	LGX is distributed on a plug-and-play CDROM with a boot
floppy, so it can be started by just turning on a computer with the
CDROM and boot floppy inserted.  LGX will detect what kind of CDROM
you have and will automatically use it.  At each step of installation,
the system prompts the user with a paragraph or more of explanation
and provides sensible default responses when possible.  The LGX manual
provides supplemental information and screen snapshots of each step of
installation, including configuration of X windows.  After
installation, LGX's "fill in the blanks" graphical control panels make
it easy to configure the ethernet or the printer, make a boot floppy,
install optional software packages, or do a number of other system
configuration tasks.

	LGX's ease-of-use features extend beyond software configuration.
For example, if you do not have a sound card, LGX will automatically
use the built-in PC speaker to play sounds.  If you do not specify a
filesystem format when you mount a disk, LGX will automatically
determine and use the correct filesystem format.  If a non-postscript
printer has been configured with the graphical control panel, the
"lpr" command will automatically invoke GhostScript to process any
Postscript file sent to the printer, so the printer would as what
would happen if the printer had PostScript built in.  The default
window manager, fvwm, is configured to enable many of LGX's features
and online documentation facilities to be invoked from the root menu.
The twm window manager is also configured with the same menus, and
fvwm has menu entires to switch to other window managers.  All of
these facilities make the facilities of LGX more accessible to users.

	For more information or to order, call 24 hours a day toll
free (800) 261-6630 or (408) 261-6630, or fax to (408) 261-6631.


FEATURE CHART

	o important version numbers: 0.99.13 kernel, Xfree86 1.3, GCC 2.4.5.

	o New Tk/Tcl supports all of the features described in Professor
	  John Ousterhout's upcoming book on Tk and Tcl.

	o More software than any competitor: 235MB binaries + 445MB
	  source code.

	o Linux 0.99.13 kernel supports most popular CDROM's

	o an easy-to-use installation script, plus a graphical user
	  interface for system configuration,

	o The X Window System: version 11 release 5, Xlib/Xt X windows
	  libraries, the Tcl/Tk scripting language, the Xview 3.0
	  OpenLook(tm) toolkit, InterViews C++ toolkit,

	o The Andrew System version 5.1, including the ez editor
	  for easy creation and reading of documents with embedded
	  images, equations, spreadsheets, hypertext links, and
	  other media types. 

	o Ethernet Networking with TCP/IP, NFS and other Internet protocols.

	o Games: asteroids, battle zone, chess, mille bornes, othello,
	  pool, shogi, solitaire, tetris, and connect four.

	o Multimedia: viewers for JPEG, GIF, TIFF and other image formats,
	  MPEG video, sound,

	o Text editors: the elvis vi clone, GNU Emacs with calc mode,
	  and Lucid GNU Emacs (better graphical user interface).

	o Desktop Publishing: TeX and groff typesetting packages with X
	  previewers, and ghostscript, a postscript interpreter for X
	  windows, faxes and a variety of printers,

	o Telecommunications: kermit, Z-modem, Taylor UUCP, mail reader,
	  threaded USENET News reader, with support for reading MIME
	  multimedia messages with embedded images, full motion video
	  and sound.

	o the Postgres 4.1 remote database system,

	o Programming Languages: GNU C++, GNU ANSI C, FORTRAN-to-C and
	  Pascal-to-C translators, and Prolog, 

	o Enhanced development environment: GNU debugger, bison, flex,
	  GNU make, the GNU Coverage Tool, Revision Controls System,
	  Concurrent Version System, and Gnats,

	o System V-style shared memory and interprocess communication,

	o File Systems: a filesystem with long file names, symbolic
	  links, and FIFO's, iso9660+rockridge CDROM filesystem, DOS
	  filesystem, 

	o Emulators: a BIOS emulator that can run DOS, an experimental
	  ELF loader, and a snapshot of a WABI Windows emulator under
	  development.


HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS

System		RAM: 4MB (8MB without swap partition), CPU: 386
		or above, Bus: ISA, EISA, or localbus.


Disk	        IDE, RLL, MFM, ESDI, SCSI with supported SCSI controller.
		Configurations range from 2 to 680 megabytes of disk.
		Configurations without non-kernel source tree that can
		run without the CDROM range from 27 to 235 megabytes.
		LGX can share a hard disk with other operating systems
		on separate partitions.

		Standard configurations 

		CD DEPENDENT (2 megabytes): Only the kernel, writable
		files, and a program to mount the CDROM are installed.
		Because CDROM drives are slow, the system is sluggish
		at startup, but becomes more responsive over the course
		of several minutes of use as commonly used files become
		cached in RAM. 

		RUNTIME: (27 megabytes): The kernel, configuration
		files, file utilities, and a tiny X window system are
		installed on the hard disk.  Other system programs can
		installed individually or run from the CDROM when it is
		mounted.

		COMPLETE: (235 megabytes):
		Everything except the non-kernel sources is installed on
		the hard disk.  Source code for the kernel is also
		installed on the hard disk.

		EVERYTHING (680 megabytes): Everything, including
		sources, is installed on the hard disk. 


Tape Drives	SCSI tape with supported SCSI controller.


CD-Rom		o Any SCSI CDROM drive with supported SCSI controller,
		o Sony 531 or 535,
		o Sony CDU-31A, alone or with MediaVision Fusion 16 kit,
		o SoundBlaster-compatible CDROM's: Kotobuki, LaserMate,
		  Matsushita, Panasonic, including the CR-562.
		o Mitsumi/Genstar, alone or with ATI Stereo FX.


SCSI		Adaptec 1540B, 1542B, 1540C, 1542C, and 1740 in enhanced
Controllers	mode; Always IN-2000, Bustek 542B, Future Domain 8xx, or
		16xx, Seagate ST-01/ST02, other controllers based on the
		TMC-950 chip, Ultrastor 14F, 24F and 34F, Western
		Digital 7000fasst.


Video Cards	640x480 monochrome for all VGA cards.  256 colors up to
(for X windows)	1152x900 for non-Diamond cards using the following
		chipsets: S3, 8514, Tseng Labs ET4000 or ET3000,
		Paradise, Western Digital 90c00, 90c10 or 90c30, Genoa,
		ATI VGA Wonder, ATI Mach (e.g., the ATI Ultra Pro), Trident
		8900b, 8900c, 8900cl, 8900cs, 9000, Cirrus Logic 5420,
		5422 or 5426, NCR 77c22 or 77c22e, or Compaq AVGA.


Sound Cards	Adlib, SoundBlaster (regular, Pro and 16 ASP), MediaVision
		(Fusion and ProAudioSpectrum 16), and ATI Stereo FX.
		Installable Gravis Ultrasound and MPU-401 drivers are
		also included.  If you do not have a sound card, LGX can
		play sounds through your PC's speaker. 

Ethernet	3Com 3503 and 3c503/16, Artisoft LANtastic AE-2, ATI
		1500, Alta Combo, Cabletron, D-Link DE600 pocket adaptor
		and ethernet II, Hewlett-Packard 27245, 27247, 27250 and
		PCLAN, Novell NE-1000, NE-2000, and NE-2100, Western
		Digital 8003 and 8013, other 8390-based ethernet cards.


VERSION NUMBERS

	The following is a list of version numbers of selected LGX
facilities.

	adagio-0.4o		gnugo-1.1		routed-5.23
	agrep-2.04		gnushogi-1.1		rpc-1.00
	at-1.1			grep-2.0		rsh-5.24
	autoconf-1.5		groff-1.08		rshd-5.38
	bash-1.12		gwm-1.7o-beta3		ruptime-5.70
	bc-1.02			gzip-1.2.4		rwho-5.50
	bind-4.83l		host-1.01		rwhod-5.19
	binutils-1.9l.1		ical-1.5.1		rxvt-1.3
	bms-0.06		ifs-5			sed-2.03
	bootlin-4		ImageMagic-2.3.2	shellutils-1.8
	bootpd-2.10a		inetd-5.30		slingshot-2.0
	bootutils-0.1		inn-1.4			smail-3.1.28
	byacc-1.9		InterViews-3.1		smalltalk-1.1.1
	capture-1.00		ispell-4.0		sound-1.99.7
	cbzone-1.00		IV-2_6			sox-7
	cpio-2.3		jpeg-4a			syslogd-5.27
	cron-2.0		kbd-0.81		system-0.98
	cvs-1.3			lemacs-19.8		talk-5.50a
	dc-0.2			less-177		talkd-5.80
	dejagnu-1.0.1		lha-1.00		tar-1.11.2
	devX100-12		libc-4.4.1		tcl-7.0b3
	devX75-12		libg++-2.4		tclX-7.0a-B4
	diffutils-2.4		lilo-11			tcpd-1.40
	dld-3.2.3		linux-0.99.13		tcsh-6.04
	dll-2.8			linuxelf-1.2		telnet-5.52
	dosemu-0.49		lpd-5.90		term-1.0.7
	dosfsck-1.0		m4-1.0.3		textutils-1.6
	dragdrop-1.1		mailx-5.3a		tftp-5.10
	dvips-5.518		make-3.68		tftpd-5.13
	e2fsprogs-0.3		malloc-930326		tiff-3.2beta
	elvis-1.7		man-1.1			time-1.5
	emacs-19.19		metamail-2.6		tk-3.3b3
	expect-0.4		mkdosfs-0.1		tkinfo-0.6
	f2c-1993.04.28		mkisofs-0.9		tput-1.0
	fdisk-1.4		mm-1.07			trn-3.2
	file-1.25		mpeg-1.2		UIT-2.0
	fileutils-3.6		mslaved-0.06		usermaint-1.0
	find-3.8		ncompress-4.2.4		utila-1.5
	finger-5.22		net-0.21		utilb-1.3
	fingerd-5.60		net-0.22		utile-1.4
	fips-0.8		net-0.24		uucp-1.04
	flex-2.3.8		netconf-0.3		uuencode-1.0
	flexfax-2.1.0		nfsd-1.50		wdiff-0.04
	fromto-1.01		nntpd-15.11a		Wine-0.4.1
	ftape-0.9.6		oleo-1.5		xaster-1.00
	ftp-5.38		p2c-1.20		xbmbrowser-2.0
	ftpd-5.60		patch-2.1		xboard-2.1.pl11
	fvwm-0.96		pbmplus-10dec91		xboard-3.0.pl8
	gas-1.38.1l		pcnfsd-1.40		xdos-0.3
	gawk-2.15.2		perl-4.036		xms-0.06
	gcc-2.3.3		ping-5.90		xpilot-3.0.0
	gcc-2.4.5		poeigl-1.11		xpipeman-1.01
	gct-1.4			popd-10.01		xpm-3.2f
	gdb-4.10		postbrowse-0.1		xpool-1.3
	gdbm-1.5		postgres-4.1		xrisk-2.14
	ghostscript-2.6.1pl4	procps-0.4		XSBprolog-1.2
	ghostview-1.5		quota-1.0		xshogi-1.1
	gic-1.1			rcp-5.32		xtank-1.3f
	glib-1.9e		rcs-5.6.0.1		xtetris-2.5.2
	gmp-1.3.2		reve-1.4.0		xvier-1.0
	gnats-3.01		rlogin-5.33		xview-3.0
	gnuchess-4.0p62		rlogind-5.53


HOW TO GET MORE INFORMATION

        The anonymous FTP area netcom.com:pub/yggdrasil contains more
information, including an "ls -RC" listing of the CD's contents,
reseller information, and copies of the manual in texinfo, DVI and
postscript.  If you want to view the DVI version of the manual with
xdvi, you can go to the table of contents with the command "84g".

	You can also request information by phone by calling 24 hours
a day toll free (800) 261-6630 or (408) 261-6630.  You can also fax
to (408) 261-6631, or send email to yci@netcom.com.  A fax server with
information on LGX will be available shortly from (408) 946-5080.
Request document 5491 ("LGX-1").


HOW TO GET A FREE COPY

	Yggdrasil is greatly indebted to the many free software
developers whose efforts have made this release possible.  As a token
of our appreciation, any author of any software or documentation in
LGX can get a free copy, which includes the CD, manual, and boot
floppies.  Operators of free Linux BBS's or Linux FTP sites and other
major contributors to the Linux community can also get a free copy.
We request that Linux BBS operators and FTP sites carry the LGX
announcement in the appropriate forums, however this request is
optional.


HOW TO GET A COPY BY TOMORROW

	LGX costs $49.95.  If you live in the United States, the
shipping and handling charge is $5.  All individual direct sales orders
from within the United States received before 6PM Eastern/3PM Pacific
are shipped by an overnight delivery service for delivery the next day.
To place an order, call (800) 261-6630.

	For international orders, next day service is not available
from Yggdrasil, although some resellers may offer it.  Shipping for
international orders is $10.  To place an international order, call
(408) 261-6630, or fax the order form to (408) 261-6631.


SUBSCRIPTIONS

	LGX is released quarterly.  Update subscriptions are
available and start with the release following the release that is
current when your subscription order is received.  For example, an
update subscription ordered today would begin with the Winter 1994
release.  Prices for update subscriptions are as follows:

	1 year (4 releases)     	$ 99.95
	2 years (8 releases)     	$179.95
	3 years (12 releases)     	$249.95


UPGRADE PATH FROM THE BETA RELEASE

	If you mail the LGX beta CDROM, the LGX beta manual, both LGX
beta boot floppies to Yggdrasil before November 1, 1993, you will
receive a $10 discount on your order of the LGX Fall 1993.  You must
include your order and a check in the same package with your LGX beta
release.  If you buy the Fall 1993 release from a reseller or if you
bought the beta + 1st production release subscription, you can place
an order for an update subscription in this way instead.  Again, this
offer expires on November 1st.


TECHNICAL SUPPORT

	You can report bugs for free and we will try to make updated
lists of bugs and fixes publicly available in a timely manner.	In
addition, LGX has a 30 day unconditional money back guarantee, so you
are never at risk of being stuck with a system that you cannot use.

	In the past, we have had a substantial amount of requests for
technical support of a tutorial nature.  For example, callers often
want somebody to talk them through the installation process or have a
question which they could find the answer to by reading through
online documentation, but for which they could find the answer faster
by calling technical support.  Clearly, if an operating system as
powerful as LGX is going to take over the world, such a service must
be available.  On the other hand, in order for this service to scale,
it has to pay for itself.

	Therefore, we have established a 900 number in the United
States for general Linux technical support.  You do not need to be
using LGX or to be an Yggdrasil customer to use this service.  You can
call us with your questions not only about LGX, but also about
anything else related to Linux.  We cannot guarantee to know the
answer to all questions, but if we cannot answer your question, we
will try to point you in the right direction.  We will try to keep
your call as short as possible, but please be realistic in your
expectations of how long it takes to look up anything or to find the
right person in the office to answer question.  It will probably cost
you about $20 for a typical straightforward question.

		1-900-446-6075 ext. 835 ("TEK")
		$2.95/minute, USA only
		10am-noon,1:45pm-5pm Pacific

        The LGX manual lists vendors offering support services related
to the Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X distribution.  If you or your business
would like to offer a service related to LGX, send a description of
your business and contact information to yggdrasil@netcom.com.  There
may also be an advertising section in the production release manuals
if there is interest.  It would be nice to have a longer list of
support vendors to disseminate in the publicity for the production
release.  If you have ideas for cooperation that you'd like explore,
please get in touch.

RESELLER LIST

		YGGDRASIL LINUX/GNU/X OPERATING SYSTEM
			    RESELLER LIST

				AFRICA

	SOUTH AFRICA

	Spartech Pty. Ltd.
	10th Floor, Standard Bank House
	20 Albert Street
	Marshalltown, Johannesburg
	South Africa
	+27 11 838 3831
	fax 27 11 833 1470
	
				ASIA

	TIAWAN				JAPAN

	Promox Systems			CD-ROM shop LASER5
	215-5 Ta-Chiao 3 Street		2-62-8-203 Higashi-Ikebukuro
	Yung-Kang City			Toshima-ku, Tokyo 170
	TAIWAN R.O.C.			JAPAN
	phone (06) 232-7729		phone +81 3-5952-7486
	fax (06) 231-2909		fax +81 45-721-1885

					Pacific HiTech
					1-18-16 Nomura Building, 10f
					Nishishingjuku, Shigjuku
					Tokyo 160
					JAPAN
					phone +81 3 3345 9215
					fax +81 3 3345 9216

					Plat Home Co. Ltd.
					1-11-4 Soto-kanda, Chiyoda-ku
					Tokyo 101
					JAPAN
					+81 3 3251 7611
					fax +81 3 3255 9506

					Village Center, Inc.		
					2-2-12 Fujimi-Cho
					Choufu City, Tokyo 182
					JAPAN
					phone +81 424 88 8428
					fax +81 424 88 5471

			      AUSTRALIA

	CONTINENT			NEW ZEALAND

	Systemania			Shareware Distribution NZ
	5 Tumut Place			Freepost 3637 (no stamp required)
	Sylvania Waters			PO Box 42-000
	NSW 224				Wainuiomata, Wellington
	Australia			New Zealand
	612 544-7491			toll free phone/fax 0508 55 66 55
	fax 612 544-7775		Wellington area: 04 564 5307

				EUROPE


	UNITED KINGDOM			CONTINENT

	Lasermoon Ltd.			Wasaware Oy
	2a Beaconsfield Road		Palosaarentie 31
	Fareham, Hampshire PO16 0QB	SF-65200 VAASA
	UNITED KINGDOM			FINLAND
	phone +44 329 826444		phone +358 61 173365       
	fax +44 329 825936		hv@uwasa.fi
	info@lasermoon.co.uk (human)
	info-server@lasermoon.co.uk (automaton)

	Novatec Systems			Kursun CDROM Versand
	53 Exiter Road, Selly Oak	Karl Marx Ring 148
	Birmingham, B29 6EX		81737 Munich
	UNITED KINGDOM			GERMANY
	phone +44 021 456 5759		phone +49 89 637 8421
	fax +44 021 455 7472		fax +49 89 637 8429
                                    
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	Court Robin Lane	     	4052 Basel
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386's (was: Andrew.. Tom Neuendorffer@andrew. (28787*)}


\quotation{The good news is that ATK, along with X, the GNU stuff, and

}\quotation{an incredible number of utilities are now available on a cheap
($50)

}\quotation{CDROM based on the LINUX OS.

}
Let me just say this about that... from the discussion in one of the linux
groups (.misc, I think), it appears that ATK exercises a strange and
wonderful bug in the XS3 server, and basically doesn't work.  Also from
that discussion, it appears the bug was in the server from which XS3 is
derived.


The good news is that hopefully XFree86 2.0 will not have this bug, since
that version is supposed to support the S3 chipset, but that isn't shipping
yet.


I happen to run the XS3 server on Linux, but haven't had a chance to verify
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Hi,

Could you please tell me whether andrew system has been ported to DEC
Alpha/osf1? Where can I find it if so?

Thank you very much.

Quin
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Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 19-Oct-93 Re: Reduced size
installati.. Gary Keim (1932+0) 


> Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 19-Oct-93 Reduced size
> installation (.. Torgeir Veimo@ii.uib.no (1788) 

>> Third, can I modify the keys used for selecting text, so that middle button 
>> works as paste? (I`m not in favor of the middle button menus, which i find 
> awkward.) 

> You can disable popup menus altogether by adding this to either you
> preferences file or the global preferences file
> ($ANDREWDIR/lib/global.prf): 

> PopupMenus: off 

You can also arrange for only a subset of the menus to appear in the
popups.  The closest thing to middle button for paste is setting: 

PopupMenuList: "" 

This will give you just the first menu card with the cut/paste, quit,
etc... options. 


(See help preferences for more info.) 

-Rob 

 
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Two patches are needed to successfully enter high bit chars >128 (decimal) 
with versions of ATK before 6.1.


The patches at the end of this message should be applied to keystate.c and 
keymap.c in atk/basics/common.  A "make install" command will be needed in 
atk/basics/common, atk/basics/lib, and atk/apps before the change will be 
noticed.


-Rob Ryan

Andrew Consortium


===================================================================

RCS file: RCS/keystate.c,v

retrieving revision 2.8

diff -r2.8 keystate.c

12c12

< static char rcsid[]="$Header: 
/obj/v6src/atk/basics/common/RCS/keystate.c,v 2.8 1992/12/15 21:27:56 rr2b 
R6tape $";

---

> static char rcsid[]="$Header: 
/obj/v6src/atk/basics/common/RCS/keystate.c,v 2.9 1993/10/29 19:23:35 rr2b 
Exp $";

75c75

<     char key;

---

>     unsigned char key;



===================================================================

RCS file: RCS/keymap.c,v

retrieving revision 2.11

diff -c -r2.11 keymap.c

*** 2.11	1992/12/15 21:27:56

--- keymap.c	1993/10/29 19:31:43

***************

*** 9,15 ****

  

  #ifndef NORCSID

  #define NORCSID

! static char rcsid[]="$Header: /obj/v6src/atk/basics/common/RCS/keymap.c,v 
2.11 1992/12/15 21:27:56 rr2b R6tape $";

  #endif

  

  

--- 9,15 ----

  

  #ifndef NORCSID

  #define NORCSID

! static char rcsid[]="$Header: /obj/v6src/atk/basics/common/RCS/keymap.c,v 
2.12 1993/10/29 19:23:35 rr2b Exp $";

  #endif

  

  

***************

*** 190,196 ****

  

  enum keymap_Types keymap__Lookup(self, key, object,rockP)

      struct keymap *self;

!     char key;

      struct basicobject **object;

      long *rockP;

  \{

--- 190,196 ----

  

  enum keymap_Types keymap__Lookup(self, key, object,rockP)

      struct keymap *self;

!     unsigned char key;

      struct basicobject **object;

      long *rockP;

  \{

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Sigh... the patch for keystate wasn't in context diff form.  


-Rob


Here is the right version:


===================================================================

RCS file: RCS/keystate.c,v

retrieving revision 2.8

diff -c -r2.8 keystate.c

*** 2.8	1992/12/15 21:27:56

--- keystate.c	1993/10/29 19:31:43

***************

*** 9,15 ****

  

  #ifndef NORCSID

  #define NORCSID

! static char rcsid[]="$Header: 
/obj/v6src/atk/basics/common/RCS/keystate.c,v 2.8 1992/12/15 21:27:56 rr2b 
R6tape $";

  #endif

  

  

--- 9,15 ----

  

  #ifndef NORCSID

  #define NORCSID

! static char rcsid[]="$Header: 
/obj/v6src/atk/basics/common/RCS/keystate.c,v 2.9 1993/10/29 19:23:35 rr2b 
Exp $";

  #endif

  

  

***************

*** 72,78 ****

  

  enum keystate_ApplyKeyValues keystate__ApplyKey(self, key, ppe, rockP, 
pobject)

      struct keystate *self;

!     char key;

      struct proctable_Entry **ppe;

      long *rockP;

      struct basicobject **pobject;

--- 72,78 ----

  

  enum keystate_ApplyKeyValues keystate__ApplyKey(self, key, ppe, rockP, 
pobject)

      struct keystate *self;

!     unsigned char key;

      struct proctable_Entry **ppe;

      long *rockP;

      struct basicobject **pobject;

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Sigh... I was just a little bit too eager to get that fix out.


The posted patches will make most normal entry of iso-8859-1 characters 
work in text, but using them in keybindings will fail.  (where they used to 
work.)


I'll post a revised patch Monday.


Sorry for any inconvenience,

-Rob Ryan

Andrew Consortium


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